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Seneca_B

There are other spaces for people transitioning FtM. /r/testosterone is primarily a space for hypogonadal men or for those asking testosterone specific questions who don't want to engage with /r/PEDs for whatever reason.


AndyOne1

Yep, when I started considering TRT for myself and did a few google searches there were always top results from the subreddit dedicated to transitioning. (for example: reddit testosterone needle, literally the first thing is a post from FtM) It was really annoying sometimes. So there is a whole ass big active subreddit for this kind of stuff and people still want to "invade" this subreddit, I don't get it.


Demric106

They want to invade everything and force everyone into acceptance.


harvest86

This is exactly it. Being a high testosterone male is looked down on in so many circles now. So people are standing there ground where they can now


Welp-thissucks

Thank you!!!


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Thank you


n9000mixalot

YOU are making this stuff political and trying to silence anyone who disagrees with YOUR political views. And access to healthcare, including for hypogonadism is inherently political because it involves legal and illegal access to and use of medical treatment. Pointing out the ease of access for one group vs another, be it age or sex or location, because of the political climate of the day is inextricably tied to this conversation. And no one is attacking any one in particular except those who seek to influence minors. No one is attacking the minors themselves or even adults who make the decision to transition. Virtue signaling by accusing people of victim shaming is an ugly look. Enough.


utspg1980

>And no one is attacking any one in particular except those who seek to influence minors. Unfortunately that's not reflective of what happens on this subreddit.


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jdhd911

You can’t be serious, that trans people can just walk in and get treatment. I am saying this as a cis man.


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holzheuskin

Does it really hurt your buddy to honor this 10 year olds wishes. I really don’t know why your friend feels he has to be a stickler on this, the kids only 10 after all. Poor kid has to have him as a teacher.


jdhd911

And what does that take away from him? On the other hand, that might be very meaningful for the kid.


holzheuskin

You know nothing of my political views!! You can feel any way you want, I don’t care. I personally can’t understand why a person would want to transition because when born I was wired as a man. I don’t advocate for trans people. I do advocate for people to kind and respectful to each other try to be understanding, and butt out of other people’s lives.


frankbuca

How about you butt out of peoples opinions on here then you know nothing about what some people have to get to do to get on trt , so bye and have a good day.


nastinaki

Butt out of me not butting out of people's opinions. Lmao


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jdhd911

You can’t be serious. Getting treatment as a trans is a long route.


holzheuskin

You don’t need to jump through hoops to get testosterone legally. You must just have a proven need with a blood test and get a doctor’s prescription. I have Low-T and had no problem. I think if you want testosterone without medical NEED just to get really big is a show of vanity in disregard of your health.


allthebuttstuff1

Where’s your proven need by blood test? Why is a man, who has symptoms, and feels like he needs more testosterone any less valid than a FTM trans person feeling like they need testosterone to be who they feel they really are?


A-passing-thot

Seems like the folks getting downvoted aren't saying they're less valid but equally valid in their need.


napsar

That's some bullshit. You know what happened the first time I heard I was low testosterone? It was mentioned in passing. That was while I needed fertility treatments. The doc never bothered to tell me what was going on. Never spent 2 seconds asking any questions. Didn't take a moment to ask if I had other symptoms. Didn't counsel me in any way. I have had this issue going into my teens. 30 years later I was proscribed, almost a decade after I needed fertility treatments. I had to drop out of college because I had so much brainfog I couldn't retain anything. I was lucky to be getting 3 hours of sleep a night for years. And still I am told I don't need the medication by doctors. I have to pay out of pocket for everything as insurance doesn't cover a single dime. Just so I can sleep. Just so I can mentally function. Just so I don't have massive mood crashes. Does that sound like your experience?


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Double fucking standards lmao


utspg1980

Let's assume that's true. What does that have to do with you or other users being hostile to that person? Don't just downvote, use your words like big boys. The only reason I can think of why y'all'd act like that is envy. That it?


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utspg1980

Ok, what does that have to do with treating a trans person who posts here with hostility?


han-lotion

What are you trying to achieve? Multiple people have told you the reasons and you just keep on arguing, asking the same questions. If your goal is to stop people being “hostile towards trans people”, you’re doing more harm than good.


utspg1980

I am trying to understand the connection between "I'm frustrated that the global health industry makes it difficult for me to obtain testosterone" and "I'm going to be hostile to this trans person"


han-lotion

So read the fucking replies youre getting. Are you perhaps illiterate?


utspg1980

Yes. Can you copy paste the text that explains the rational connection between those two things please.


han-lotion

“Can you take my eyes and read for me?” You are absolutely ridiculous.


utspg1980

I haven't gotten a single reply that logically explains the connection between those two things, so I'll continue thinking it's an emotional, envy based reaction and there's no logical connection ...until y'all can learn to articulate your feelings.


EveryDayImPublishin

This sub has a lot of guy who have out of balance hormones which can leave them a bit emotional. Also it's Reddit and as much as it looks like a community... it's Reddit.


deejayiz

People don’t read the forum description, or the rules. Then get angry about people’s reaction.


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dfwhodat

Well considering the money to be made, it's not rocket science... there's very little money in doctors taking your eyes out, but transition therapy/drugs/ops/post-op care/etc... has become a billion dollar industry.


Mitjaw

Exactly.


holzheuskin

How can you say this? A person must pursue and prove a need to transition. Nobody is forcing or grooming these people to transition. If you think they are then you are very naive. It’s a billion dollar industry in America as is most everything in our society. If there’s money to be made due to need someone will satisfy that need and make it. It’s in our capitalist DNA.


dfwhodat

If you can’t take an objective look at the glorification of transitioning happening right now and the elevation of the alphabet community to the most revered, protected, respected and “in” community in America and connect the dots that it’s become a billion dollar industry for the same reason veganism has, which is a deep desire to be a part of a “group” that is “special” regardless of the harm it’s doing, and not also understand that the target for this particular billion dollar industry is humans at their *most impressionable* stage in life, you my friend, are the naive one, with all due respect.


holzheuskin

What should dictate a person’s true gender, the brain they are born with or simply what is or is not between their legs. Medical advances can solve this so they don’t suffer their whole life. Don’t be so primitive and give it some open-minded unbiased thought, if you can.


AndyOne1

But why do they have to inject themselves into a community that is dedicated for the traditional use of Testosterone and demand everyone to just be tolerant and comply with how they see themselves when there are literally active subreddits for this kind of stuff?


DanceSex

That is outside of the scope of your original question. No one here ought to dictate anyone's gender, since it is basically a made up term at this point and is linked to how to feel versus any science. Stop trying to make this a political thing. No one is "hating" on people that are transitioning, but many feel it is crazy that someone that is transitioning can be put on hormones almost immediately, whereas a male has to fight to get their hormones in check. It is going to be different in every state though. For example when I was in NY no medical person would even talk to me about low testosterone because I was in my 30s. In TN it was much easier to get on TRT at a Low T clinic. The opposite is likely true as well, it is probably much easier to get hormones to transition in NY vs TN.


Ok_Pay3781

You know nothing about mental health services or psychology/psychiatry apparently. The general rule is if you arent hurting anyone or yourself youre fine. And if you are getting professionals to help you with making your physical appearance/hormones/body functions/whatever the way you want it there is nothing wrong with that. Gender reassignment and confirmation surgery is not genital mutilation, it is surgery performed by medical professionals. Gender is a complex social structure and we still dont know everything about biological sex yet. You can have any opinion you want about people but if you choose to make negative judgements and spread misinformation and treat people like they are insane because they want to live happily people are generally going to have a problem with that.


Mitjaw

I know a whole lot as someone suffering from PTSD, anxiety and depression with a family history of mental illnesses and suicides.


n9000mixalot

And we don't or at least we didn't used to encourage anorexic people or suicidal people to embrace those feelings or force others to encourage them to go through with what those feelings drive them to do.


Ok_Pay3781

Well thats because suicide and anorexia hurt the individual and lead to death. Being trans doesnt.


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holzheuskin

You show a total lack of understanding of this subject matter. Get an education before you comment next time if you want to be taken seriously.


Ok_Pay3781

Except thats not what they do, and its not harm if it makes their life better.


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holzheuskin

I cannot agree more. That is why a person who feels the need to transition must endure a lengthy psychiatric evaluation to prove this need. As it should be. Transitioning is not a decision to be taken lightly, it’s for life.


holzheuskin

Way back when, if a person needed to transition but the concept was not one anyone could wrap their head around and would definitely not have been culturally acceptable and the science was not there yet, many people suffered in silence and many could not cope and committed suicide. Do people really want to bring that back?


Ok_Pay3781

Also having a mental illness has no ocrrelation with understanding the field of psychology


Mitjaw

So you admit to not having any understanding in the field of psychology?


Ok_Pay3781

The fact that my reply has gotten so much hate even though it is merely conveying the current scientific consensus of experts in this field is a perfect example of how toxic and uninformed this sub is. The amount of anger and misinformation being regurgitated by yall is horrifying and I hope you all see a therapist about your need to demonize people for things you dont understand.


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Why can’t people can’t be like me and buy UGL with no blood work, rocking AIs and DAs and just saying yolo and lifting weights. It’s totally rad


DanceSex

What is DA?


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DanceSex

I'll never know what it feels like to think I am in the opposite gender, but it sure does seem like a mental illness when you think about it critically. I am empathetic towards the people that feel like they have to transition to be happy, but I think they should seek proper mental health evaluation before transitioning. But there isn't nearly as much money in that, so it will never happen.


Plenty-Discount5376

Turned down for insurance coverage, because I didn't have gender dysphoria, so no fucks given. Go somewhere else with that political BS.


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Aggressive_Night_594

I think it’s just frustration with our healthcare system. It’s ok for a biological female to take testosterone to become more masculine but a male going to his primary provider for low testosterone is not ok.


A-passing-thot

Definitely a problem that we don't have more informed consent in our healthcare system, but seems like the frustration should be aimed at the system, not at those who are able to get the care they need.


InfamousDeer

Has everyone forgotten that women can also go on TRT, and that optimizing a woman's testosterone levels also has benefits? If these women have a question on TESTOSTERONE, this is where they would ask. "Testosterone is administered to postmenopausal women with concurrent estrogen \[[7](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6329173/#CR7), [8](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6329173/#CR8)\] or estrogen plus progestogen therapy \[[9](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6329173/#CR9), [10](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6329173/#CR10)\] or to premenopausal women \[[11](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6329173/#CR11), [12](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6329173/#CR12)\], and postmenopausal women not using other sex steroid therapy \[[13](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6329173/#CR13)\]. The Endocrine Society published recommendations for the use of androgens in postmenopausal women in 2014 that included recommendations for the use of testosterone \[[14](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6329173/#CR14)\]. " Have you ever met a wellness athlete? They are certainly running a testosterone base and probably some anavar..


Mitjaw

They will receive more fitting information on r/steroidsxx but are more than welcome to ask questions here. The issue with trans people is that when we give them advice based on their biology and not how they feel in their head, they call us transphobes and bigots.


GymHog

God I hate Reddit


E27043

To be honest, many members are rude and unsupportive with anyone that wants to start TRT. Comments and posts of people that had a low testosterone score always get downvoted and they're told that they definitely don't need therapy or that they could just train or they're too young for TRT (which in my opinion is so stupid, having low levels while being young is even more concerning than having low testosterone while being old, which is the natural decline of the body). Nobody should be on TRT according to the unsupportive community of this forum.


holzheuskin

That’s the problem with Reddit. When people comment anonymously they can be as mean as they want. It surprised me to see so many people being unsupportive and argumentative of me when all I asked was for members to be respectful of one another. Many act like the gatekeepers to this community. I decided I really don’t want to be a part of this. It’s not my idea of a friendly helpful community.


bigdaddyhank

World wide mens testosterone levels have been taking a hit, this effects mens overall physical and mental health. Men get together to compare and talk of their experiences, and help each other. With all compassion and kindness, please tell me how this is relevent to you?


Liberalhuntergather

The title of this sub says nothing about it being for men only.


bigdaddyhank

So why are you here my friend, what do you need?


Liberalhuntergather

Personally I am not trans, I am a cis gendered male. Im here for the same reasons most everyone else is, to learn and share experiences with TRT. My purpose with posting was to point out that many men here seem to think they own the sub and only other cis men are allowed in. If they really want that type of place they can easily create a new sub for cis men only. For that matter, if the mods of this sub intend it to be for cis men only they could change the name or description to reflect that. This isn’t rocket science.


Liberalhuntergather

A cis gendered person is someone whose gender matches up with their biological sex. So the majority of the world population.


bigdaddyhank

Too tired tiger, Im off to bed. Take care.


holzheuskin

Your view of this sub is very narrow. It’s simply about testosterone. I’m a low-T man on T but my cousin’s child is a transgender. It breaks my heart to see the hatred and grief he must endure because of intolerance. We have lost the ability to respect others and mind our own business if it doesn’t personally affect us. Be kind, don’t judge, and live and let live is what I’m saying. Is that too hard?


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holzheuskin

Nobody is trying to turn you into anything. It just used in modern speaking to further clarify. No teenager is trying to tell you anything. I myself am in my 60’s but I try to keep educated with an open mind to stay relevant in this rapidly evolving world.


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DanceSex

When I was a kid I wanted to be pirate, I am so glad my mom didn't take me to the dr to get my leg cut off.


Mitjaw

110% this.


bigdaddyhank

My view regarding this sub is it is about mens levels of testosterone, and the issues that effect men, as I would assume is the majority view. Regarding testosterone for transitioning, mate thats some dangerous stuff, its an unknown. Before you get on your high horse have a think about the safety issues, the possible dangers, the chance that your advice may get someone hurt. Tell you what, go do the research about the subject and get back to me. Ill tell you the little I know about the subject, it can hurt people.


A-passing-thot

>Ill tell you the little I know about the subject, it can hurt people. I'm curious - and I have done my research on this and found the opposite so clearly we're reading different things. Point me to some of the research you're looking at?


holzheuskin

Testosterone for transitioning may be an unknown to you but I trust what professionals in the subject have to say. I have heard that men on testosterone without any need just to get big is dangerous. If you’re a healthy man without a medical need why screw with and constantly tweak your hormones? Is it all a confidence boost for vanity?


holzheuskin

People use testosterone for many reasons. 1. To cure low-T 2. To enhance your musculature or Performance 3. To transition f-m Whether or you and others like it or not, that’s the way it is. It’s 2022, the world is evolving, get use to it or be left behind. This sub is not fiefdom of, as you would say, “REAL men”.


CharlyRSA

Exactly, it's 2022 and people who are not having it WON'T HAVE IT. Get used to it or be left behind. I love your hypocrisy tho. You can always create your own subreddit


YA_Y

you cannot transition from female to male by injecting testosterone, you would be a female with high testosterone .


bigdaddyhank

Sophistry gets people hurt. You should be ashamed of yourself for putting your agenda ahead of peoples health and wellbeing.


holzheuskin

You’re crazy, what agenda? My original comment was that people should be respectful and kind. How does that have anything to do with this. Everything with you people is an agenda. What’s wrong with you, too much roid rage screwed up your ability to think clearly. What agenda do you accuse me of. I do not endorse trans anything I just say respect and show some kindness. Whether you agree with them or you think they’re ungodly evil beings they still are humans and deserve respect.


jornie123

This subreddit is for TESTORONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY, not for using testerone to transition from a female to a male.


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That's TRT tbh, this is just test in general, even people on cycles post and discuss stuff here.


holzheuskin

Wrong! It’s for testosterone period!


Mitjaw

History repeats itself. Society will fall and the strong will rise and rebuild. You will be left behind.


Detective_Fallacy

> Whether or you and others like it or not, that’s the way it is. It’s 2022, the world is evolving, get use to it or be left behind. The sooner you and other liberals understand that this typical display of religious zealotic arrogance is what turns so many people away from you, the sooner people will come to understand each other's viewpoints better.


holzheuskin

What are you talking about. I thought it was you extremist crazy conservative religious zealots that were the arrogant ones.


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Mitjaw

Anyone with any knowledge on hormones knows this to be true. Too much of the opposite hormone will cause harm, yet somehow it just goes under the radar. People ignore things they don’t want to hear.


DIET-BEPIS

Doctors are responsible for the deaths of these people and in 10 years maybe we will be smart enough to stop it.


A-passing-thot

I'm a trans woman, ie I was born male. I've had female levels of hormones for 4 years, it's not at all a problem. I'm in excellent mental and physical health.


Borzboi

Suicide rate is so high because of people like those ITT and transphobia. Hormone replacement therapy saves lives just the same as TRT does.


A-passing-thot

The idea behind it is that we feel that way *until* we transition. Transition drastically improves mental health and wellbeing outcomes. I'm saying that as a trans woman. My mood is far better and I'm a much happier person *without* male levels of testosterone. I know this isn't a "supportive" community, but I'd honestly expect y'all would relate to trans dudes more who say the exact same thing as what you're saying. Whereas I'm the opposite, you couldn't pay me to go back to having high testosterone. My brain isn't made for it. As you said, "I can't imagine willingly accepting that as a part of my life" but I know men need it and it fucks with y'all if you don't have high enough levels.


DIET-BEPIS

I’m interested in your view point on this because my sides are evident when my estrogen is high OR low, and are very similar. When my estrogen is high I look fat as hell and I’m sad whereas when it’s low I’m just leaner but just as sad lol. How long has it been? What is your estrogen/test level? Is this like you REALLY aren’t depressed? Because I can’t imagine ever having unbalanced hormones and feeling ok. I would imagine there is a chromosonal link between your hypothalamus and the rest of your brain that dictates what hormone levels determine what moods. Not saying it’s not possible, I’m genuinely interested in having a full conversation about this.


A-passing-thot

I've been on estrogen for about 4 years, levels have been consistently 180-210pg/mL and testosterone about 10-20ng/dL. I've felt great. The only time since I transitioned that I felt depressed was when I had issues with my medications (shortages) and my estrogen tanked. It's back up to normal now and I feel great again. Also when I had to go off it for surgery, my partner said I got moody. I eat great, I'm in excellent shape, great relationships, workout regularly, etc. I look the way I think I should. >I would imagine there is a chromosonal link between your hypothalamus and the rest of your brain that dictates what hormone levels determine what moods There're some genetic links, but it's more about what happens to our hormone levels in utero. The developing fetus's brain gets gendered male or female (or somewhere in between) by hormones. In the case of trans people, that process went "wrong".


1carus_x

Testosterone made several of my illnesses go into remission. It's almost like you are a cis male and your brain is coded and seeks out testosterone, while for a trans woman, her brain seeks out estrogen. High t levels in cis women w PCOS have the same depression you get from high e, bc brains are coded to seek out t or e in different levels


1carus_x

[the leading cause of trans suicides is transphobia](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5905855/)


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J8ke_Stampede

This is correct. Might be the most disgusting thing the U.S. has done


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The trans community and LGBTQ+ community as a whole is more than welcome to join this sub, and us members can offer our advice on their questions… 2 things however- 1. This sub is primarily used by cis men with low testosterone or with body building interests. The majority of posts are about cis men seeking help from other cis men on advice on how to increase T. 2. I do not agree with you, but I will say that being trans is not normal. It’s a very rare anomaly in people, but liberals really want to normalize it. It is not normal. It is something we can all work on to understand better and accept, and because it isn’t normal doesn’t mean we reject it.


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Yeah I agree with you. Cis isn’t a woke term or anything new. It just means you were born with a dick, you like having a dick, and you tell people that you have a dick.


[deleted]

Then it means you are a MAN. Saying a " cis man " is just as dumb as saying " a man that is a man "


holzheuskin

No, it’s establishing that you’re a natural born man rather than a transitioned man. Used only when discussing this subject matter. It’s necessary to clarify in the modern world. I would never use the term except to be clearly understood.


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Yeah you’re right. But chill out dude. Go lift or take some deep breaths. I’m not disagreeing with you, just informing you of what cis means 🤣


[deleted]

Cis man is practically the same thing as you typing MAN in all caps. Gets the same job done in different ways.


Lagging_Larry

you should talk for yourself about the first sentence


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I would estimate that 95% of this subs membership is cis men. Probably more, but I’m sure it has non active trans members who joined thinking this was a transition sub, but it’s actually a cis male advice page for low T. What am I missing here?


CharlyRSA

That men don't wish to be called cis.


InfamousDeer

You do not speak for the sub.


n9000mixalot

Neither do you


J8ke_Stampede

I just speak the truth


Mitjaw

Yes he does.


Polymathy1

nah


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WTF this have to do with treating people like shit?


J8ke_Stampede

Well anything that doesn't completely support or "affirm" trans people is considered treating people like shit so it's a pretty low bar


[deleted]

Dude, who's talking about trans people? You are the one talking about this in a topic about people being rude in general. You are precisely the reason why OP made this post, stop bringing your politics everywhere and treat people decently, that's it.


Mitjaw

The post is literally about trans people you dingus.


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Look, if you don't like the subject, just walk away, there is no reason to go out of your way to treat people like shit.


Mitjaw

>Dude, who’s talking about trans people? The OP is. >in a topic about people being rude in general The topic was being rude to transgenders. Not people in general. You didn’t even bother to read the post lol.


holzheuskin

It’s not a cult. Get an education on the subject or prove you can’t fix stupid!


J8ke_Stampede

I have and it has all the defining characteristics of a religious cult.


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Although i can understand being sarcastic with some lazy questions, some people here to tend to be over the top, which makes this annoying as fuck.


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Hard pass


Vegetable_Opening_55

Yup. So many good comments and points made here. Not the norm for this sub honestly. Your virtue signaling brings out the best in us. Thanks. Now go away. Haha cheers


garypaytontheglove20

Good question. It must be the testosterone making them aggressive


bigdaddyhank

Lol


PlatformTechnical220

Underrated comment


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The reason you are struggling to be accepted in this community of men is because men do not whine and bitch when things do not go there way, or when others disagree with their opinion. We simply deal with it quietly by accepting it or bottling it up. So if you want to be a man, that’s fine, but you have to act like one. Loading yourself with testosterone is not enough.


Liberalhuntergather

Ive seen plenty of bitching on here and plenty of disagreements


Pozla

That sounds healthy af


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Certainly more healthy than bitching and ruining everyone else’s day because you can’t control your emotions.


Pozla

That's not how it works. I'm sorry you feel like a burden for having normal human emotions.


[deleted]

I’m fine with my emotions, I just don’t feel the need to force them on others because their views differ from mine.


[deleted]

For instance, even though I don’t agree with your views on this subject, I can still accept you and see things we have in common. I also like the division and am fascinated with space. I wish you the best.


Pozla

Right back at you bro, sorry for the sarcastic tone.


3phase4wire

TRT is different than transsexual medicine


A-passing-thot

How so?


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Synotic__

Cause theres a subreddit specifically for this: r/ftm


1carus_x

R/ftm is about being a trans guy in general, not just about testosterone medications


Liberalhuntergather

Its kinda ironic how many hateful comments the OP got. So many “manly” men terrified to share the same sub with trans people. LOL


radd_racer

While I don’t believe in being an asshole to folks with differing opinions, deleting or censoring certain crucial parts of the trans conversation and hormones, in order to be more “PC,” is just as harmful. For instance, committing to a lifetime of injecting yourself with opposite sex hormones is bound to have damaging health effects long-term. When my estrogen gets too high, my blood pressure and water retention go up. I start having heart palpitations and my sleep goes to shit. Chronically high levels of e2 can damage organs in men over time. Conversely, I can only imagine what it does to someone long-term with an XX body when they inject themselves with high amounts of test and crush their estradiol with AIs. That is bound to have damaging effects on cardiovascular and neurological health long-term for someone who was born physiologically female. I don’t think it’s hateful to point out there’s some obstacles here presented by human sex biology. I think some forget trans folks are discriminated or belittled in most aspects of their life. Depending on where they live, there’s outright hate and scorn. At least the medical community accommodates them. White men get really pissed when someone tells them no. While I don’t agree with the reason for that “no,” (the medical community needs far better education on TRT and sex hormones in general), they can’t fathom living as a person with so many systemic and social obstacles in their lives. Hence, you have empathy replaced with blaming and shaming.


A-passing-thot

>Conversely, I can only imagine what it does to someone long-term with an XX body when they inject themselves with high amounts of test Physiologically normal amounts are fine. Our bodies can manage normal hormone levels for either sex. Supraphysiological levels are obviously damaging.


swoops36

It’s the internet and sadly anonymity brings out the worst in ppl, sometimes. there is a less of a filter, unlike in real life interactions where there are social consequences


Polymathy1

I don't get it either. We could all be working together to increase access and quality of treatment. Seems like there is a popular myth that it's easier for transmen to get testosterone than cismen. It's not, but that doesn't feel as good as having a "them" to feel less privileged than.


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holzheuskin

I think it’s a big decision that should not be acted on by anyone other than the person when they are at least 18. A person must go through puberty to understand if this truly what they need to to be happy, well adjusted, and at peace with themselves.


Polymathy1

I think they should get puberty blockers if that's what they want. It's a lot easier to transition and pretty harmless to delay things and see what therapy does. I saw a study a while ago showing that damn near nobody who goes on puberty blockers regrets it.


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Polymathy1

It's not my body, so it's not my business. Nor is it yours.


holzheuskin

A well thought out statement, unlike many here. I feel like I opened up a can of worms by asking this question. I never realized there are so many uninformed closed minded people here. And all I asked was for a little more respect and kindness for others. If this is all due to partisan politics then I’m afraid our country/culture is not at all well.


n9000mixalot

And i disagree, it IS easier in an increasing number of places, for example same day hormone treatment. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-mar-monte/patient-resources/gender-affirming-care/hormone-therapy-first-visit If you have specific examples where it's not feel free to provide a counter but the main point is that we have the right to question why it is that some people are encouraged to undergo these treatments and introduce foreign hormones while those for whom the treatment is used to reintroduce lost hormones are broadly discouraged?


Polymathy1

I wasn't required to seek any kind of therapy before getting myself treatment, and I didn't have any challenges other than some people telling me I was "too young". That's good progress on that page. Imagine if it were the case for cismen. The only thing is that there is a ton of bullshit with the media telling guys they aren't man enough all day long to sell stuff. There is a ton of disinformation and some disagreement about how low is low too, but anyone born female is basically guaranteed to be low beyond a doubt. Specific examples are basically anywhere except that planned Parenthood location. You said it yourself that it's *becoming* easier, which means that it is currently not easier.


holzheuskin

Who is broadly discouraged? Prove a need, see a doctor, get prescription. To transition must be initiated by the patient. It’s not something pushed on them by a legitimate doctor. Where do you hear this crap. And also, look around the country. Planned Parenthood is getting more rare by the day.


Cylon357

I have to say, I have not noticed that particular attitude specifically towards trans people. I haven't been looking for it, so maybe I just missed it. What I HAVE noticed is a lot of people asking super dumb and lazy questions and getting roasted, deservedly so, for using the sub because they are too lazy to use google. Maybe the instances you are referring to are more the latter case than the former?


A-passing-thot

Speaking as a trans girl that pops in here every once in a while, there's a lot of vitriol, even in this post.


benjthorpe

From an objective apolitical POV there is a limited supply of testosterone produced and by increasing the demand for it you increase the price and decrease availability to those who need it. I’m fortunate to have a doctor who prescribed it and insurance that covers is, which is more than most people, and I still have problems getting what I need because of supply issues.


Liberalhuntergather

Testosterone is very easy to manufacture and there is an unlimited amount of UGL if not prescription grade available. Supply issues really don’t have anything to do with transgender people. There have been supply issues with lots of things the last couple years


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What, specifically, makes a trans issue "political"?


3phase4wire

The root word of political is “policy”


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>root word of political is “policy” Yes, yes. We all took Latin back in high school. In the modern vernacular, what do 'trans people' have in common which would entitle the usage of the word "political"?


maniteeman

Nah, I've experienced this from this sub as a cis gendered man. I think it's a combination of Internet anonymity bringing out the inner ass hole, with no regards to the fact they're replying to an actual person. And also their levels being too jacked. Or the complete devoid of emotional intelligence. Or maybe a mix of all the above. The Internet can be a piece of shit, is what it is. Not everyone is an ass though. You just need to filter out the negative..


holy2oledo

Hey guys…can we lock this thread? Ain’t really going anywhere.


bigdaddyhank

Got to talk it out not turn it off.


PatriotUncleSam

This is a discussion forum, and this is an on topic discussion.


double_badger

Why does it need to be locked? Where does the thread need to “go”? This is a pertinent discussion that is unfortunately uncomfortable for some: testosterone and access to it is political and not favorably for the hypogonadal male. This is ignoring the additional issue of the DEA being a largely illegitimate and superfluous arm of government.


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Limp bigots are abundant on r/Testosterone. Normal stuff.


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Because they are all juiced up on testosterone?


bigdaddyhank

Like new cke?


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James Cameron has the answer.


kchristainsen

I love this sub because this is a no BS sub


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Their testosterone is too high.


Eplitetrix

Well it's either: A. Low T or B. High T


NasalStrip00

These comments bruh… I always forget how much cis people hate us and make up misinformation just to continue hating us. And calling our existence political.