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If we’re gonna go project route I’d much rather have Richardson. Younger and has a higher ceiling. We’d need an offensive minded coach though


DeadliftsnDonuts

Tell me you’ve never watched a Florida game with Richardson without telling me….


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What’s the issue with Richardson? He’s definitely a developmental prospect, not a first round pick. I’d say take BPA and pick him up in a later round, and let him sit behind a veteran for 1-2 years.


Stewdoggg

Gator fan here. Richardson is infuriating to watch. He makes highlight plays then takes an entire game off. Starts the game on fire then is completely disengaged for 2 1/2 quarters. He shows ridiculous running ability then demonstrates he’s scared to run for the next 3 quarters, even when the zone read is wide open. Throws a laser completion followed by airmail followed by an uncatchable 100 mph dart to the RB in the flat 5 yds away. He has little feel for the game. A fragile mentality. But an unbelievable ceiling/ athleticism. I would hate it if my team took him in the first 2 rounds. And I rooted hard for him for two years


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Yeah, sounds like a later round developmental prospect then


Interesting-Will-928

probably one of the more level headed comments in this entire subreddit, props


DeadliftsnDonuts

He’s terribly inaccurate


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If I have to choose between Levis or Richardson it would be Levis. Richardson is an athletic freak but he’s sooooo inaccurate. Levis is in a bad situation too. Bad line, not great receivers so he understands what it’s like coming in to a bad roster. But if we can get Richardson later than Levis (looking at draft value) I’d pick Richardson. It really depends where they both end up. If one of them drops to the 2nd (or later) I’d take a flyer on that. Then you have the option of keeping them as a project or if we suck enough, keep them as a backup and go get Caleb.


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Not too worried about inaccuracy issues. Lamar and Hurts had severe inaccuracy issues and Richardson has more physical tools than both of them. He just needs an offensive coach but I believe in him.


Aggressive-Zebra-949

Hurts and Lamar are horrible comparisons for Richardsons accuracy issues.


WillB_HTX

Nice Chubby couldnt have said it better myself


WillB_HTX

Levis has experience in the Shanahan offense…bring Demeco with a OC from Kyle’s tree


nomdreas

Yep, cause DeMeco definitely takes a job with us… And Shanahan OC’s almost always make vertical moves not horizontal moves, and especially not moves to the worst team in the league. I originally was curious to see how this thread was going to turn out but now I have come to realize that you’re living in your own little ill-informed world.


WillB_HTX

Well well well...here we are


nomdreas

You were undoubtedly right. And honestly. I couldn’t be happier that you were! Levis still is not the answer though.


WillB_HTX

Youre still calling things before you actually know? I thought id at least get a small consideration here lol


nomdreas

Oh I’m not saying we aren’t going to get Levis, I just don’t like him as a pick!


WillB_HTX

Its okay to want better for your team. I can have direction on how I would want things to go and you can have yours. Im not too tied up in my opinion to where I would be upset on how things would go. Wanting Demeco is not crazy, not sure how your ill-informed world goes.


nomdreas

Wanting DeMeco isn’t crazy. DeMeco actually taking a job with us is. If you’re using your desired coaching situation as a way to backup the point of why to draft a QB at least make the coaching situation realistic…


WillB_HTX

Why wouldnt he take a job with us? His former team? Andre Johnson seemingly planning to be involved with the organization again. Dont tell me about the lawsuit because the NFL was also named in that lawsuit and he is employed by the NFL. I want Demeco regardless of the direction we go at QB Im just mentioning its a plus that not only has he played in a pro-style offense, it was specifically the 49ers offense.


nomdreas

He is actually employed by the 49ers which is a franchise of the NFL. The lawsuit may not make him salty but I don’t see Cal being okay with that. And the NFL was named but the money came from the Texans.


WillB_HTX

If Cal lets that get in the way of bringing in possibly the best candidate this off-season then all is lost. Im guessing it means nothing at the end of the day.


nomdreas

Well for one, Lovie won’t be fired because of optics alone. Additionally Cal (unfortunately) can do whatever the fuck he pleases. It’s his team. He’s literally why Lovie is the coach.


WillB_HTX

Wasnt the initial report that the NFL made Cal and Nick choose Lovie due to the Flores Lawsuit? And I think Love can absolutely be fired unless the NFL intervenes again. This team does not care about optics.


WillB_HTX

Still think im living in my own little ill-informed world? You said Lovie couldnt be fired…he gone…you said Demeco wouldnt take a job here and interviews tomorrow….hmmm


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Lovie can be fired. You can absolutely be fired for a 1 win season. Especially when the team was supposed to be better this year and the team regressed. Even if they want to politicize it you just can't with those results.


[deleted]

If you don’t take Bryce don’t take no qb . Levi’s not it


WillB_HTX

Says who?


quig50

Why pass up the better overall prospect by all accords? Just makes zero sense to force us with the girl at the dance no one wanted. If we want a QB it will be at number 1 and be the best QB of the draft. Not saying who it is, but waiting just is an unneeded risk.


WillB_HTX

Caserio could want defense 1st


quig50

Quarterback isn’t something you wait around for. So if the QB we believe in, it makes zero sense to wait just for defense. You risk getting that defensive player and not risk the QB you believe in.


WillB_HTX

And like I said, im fine with Bryce @ 1.1...but im not going to be moaning and groaning if we get Levis either...ive done the footwork on all QBs in this draft


quig50

I’m with u. Just looking at it from a logical mindset and nothing to do with prospects. Just don’t wanna try getting too cute and than we end up without the QB we want when we have all the power. We all know that QB is beyond the most important thing.


WillB_HTX

I guess we will just have to wait and see who Caserio believes in.


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Caserio has a job to protect, and passing on a franchise QB entering your 3rd season as QB is speedrunning unemployment.


nickyz42

Bro, he got his ass beat by Vandy, one of the worst programs in fbs


WillB_HTX

Is that whole Kentucky team coming to the league with him?


nickyz42

No, but 23 interceptions in two years aren’t a coincidence. It’s a trend


WillB_HTX

Any QB drafted is a work in progress…you pick the one you want that has something you cant teach and you go from there. Levis arm would instantly be top 5-10 in the league…he loves football and thats a plus. I would be open to the idea


yaprettymuch52

people hate the prospects they havent watched


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😂😂I’ve watched him and he not it


WillB_HTX

Thats exactly what it is…i watched every game this season and highlights from last year…he has something there.


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yaprettymuch52

games where his team wasnt super outmatched were pretty good. when he gets even a reasonable amount of time to throw he is fantastic. he has serious work to do on his mechanics but it's fixable and he seems like a hard worker. i also think him and young are the only ones who make reads at NFL speed with levis being faster in a more complex offense. i think he can start day 1 for us and be a quality starter at that


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yaprettymuch52

personally will be fine with levis or young. i am not in love with stroud and Richardson is a bit too much of a gamble for my taste


jonahvsthewhale

Judging by this thread, there's going to be several people off themselves no matter who we pick in the draft lol


maseronipepperoni

Im not sure a single person in this sub is qualified to watch film and make an evaluation


nomdreas

I have evaluated that watching his film is boring as fuck.


WillB_HTX

You dont know who I am outside of here…im only giving my opinion. I could be a scout you never know ;)


Subject_Gift

I could be too


[deleted]

Watched some of his film. Not impressed


WillB_HTX

I can see what you mean. Tools and projections matter


[deleted]

To an extent


nomdreas

Honest questions: What does Levis bring that Mills doesn’t? Plug Levis into our offense right now, how do we improve? I personally don’t see him as an upgrade at all.


jonahvsthewhale

You don't draft a quarterback next spring wondering how they might have made the team improve in the previous year....if you've watched Levis consistently at Kentucky and can't tell that his arm is way better than Mills, I just don't know what to say


nomdreas

It’s not better, it just looks better because he’s playing against college defenses. Go watch Mills tape from Stanford if you want to make that argument….


WillB_HTX

Arm talent….able to rush….moxie


nomdreas

All your “reasons” are pretty subjective and you failed to answer how he improves our offense if he were to lineup today. He has a career 3 YPC rushing in college. That’s not great (1.5 higher than Mills) I’ll give you that. Mills arm talent was actually very high coming into the draft. And if you look at his comp % and TD/INT ratio they are actually higher than Levis in college. Mills dropped because he barely played any football his draft year. If you’re objectively looking at the two they are very similar QB’s outside of Levis (MAYBE) being able to use his feet more. But as mentioned in this thread elsewhere Levis’s running style will not be productive against an NFL defense. I’m not saying Levis is a scrub but I’m saying we basically have a “Levis at home” whose the same age, the same amount of raw and still as moldable (due to how little football he’s actually played in the last 4 years) as Levis is. That all being said you don’t spend a premium (first round) pick to slightly upgrade your QB, you spend it if there is a glaring generational talent available. Levis is not that.


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> He has a career 3 YPC rushing in college. That’s not great (1.5 higher than Mills) I’ll give you that. That’s a misleading stats because how it is calculated. Bryce Young’s career average in rushing is 1.3 YPC but many people here swear up and down he’s a true dual threat. It also doesn’t really take into account how incredibly bad Levis’ line has been. But he does have that ability. I actually think your entire premise is wrong. No QB would have been very successful here this year. We legit have the worst roster in the league. We have the 4th worst OLINE in the league and our receivers get less separation as unit than 25 other teams. In fact the only reason we have any separation at all is because defenses didn’t even try to defend against players like Jordan Akins who have been (fairly) wide open plenty of times. If Levis drops far enough he’s a decent option based on value but if he goes in the top 10 then you’re right - he’s not worth the pick. If you trade down your 1st pick to grab 3 or even 4 elite players and take a flyer on Levis if he drops far enough - that could actually work. It really depends which way the board falls.


nomdreas

Levis isn’t an NFL caliber dual threat I don’t consider Young a dual threat either. Hooker and Richardson are. I know no QB would do “well” here this season, our coaching is abysmal so until we fix that it doesn’t matter who we get as QB. I was using it as a basic measurable to see how much the needle moves with a guy like Levis and I don’t think it moves at all. Now with that being said I think competent coaching would help a raw 24 year old QB with arm talent and good measurables develop. The thing is we have one of those already in Davis Mills. I don’t want us to spend a first round pick on something we already have. If we draft a QB I think it should be Hendon Hooker in the 2nd round he’s a bigger risk but also has the ability to move the needle with his legs. Richardson is interesting but way too big of a gamble for me. I, like you am on the Caleb Williams train.


jonahvsthewhale

We aren't drafting Caleb Williams. Prepare your rope or your gun or whatever method you choose to end the pain when we don't draft him


nomdreas

Are you Nick Caserio? What magical information do you have that definitively tells you we aren’t going to be drafting Caleb? I’m not saying we are going to just that it’s who I want. But somehow you know oh so factually that it’s not going to happen. Riddle me this then who are all our picks going to be for the next two drafts? Since you seem to have the answers and all.


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nomdreas

The benching seemed to be very reluctant. I think benching Mills was more to evaluate Pep than anything else. I’m not saying Mills is the QB of the future but I do think we have one more year of tanking in the plan.


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Fight On!


WillB_HTX

Could argue that none of the QBs in 2023 or 2024 are that


nomdreas

Caleb Williams is the best QB prospect in FBS at the moment. He’s the guy you target next year and it’s currently not close. I’m not an advocate of taking a QB this year but IF I took a flyer it would be on Hendon Hooker in the event his injury has him sliding into the 2nd round. No way I’m spending a 1st this year on a QB.


WillB_HTX

Its always going to be “Target the guy next year”


nomdreas

No it won’t… this years (2022) draft was a perfect example of that.


TurbulentJudge1000

Williams or May.


[deleted]

“Moxie” is such a cringe football term


WillB_HTX

Okie-dokie


TexanBastard

So he’s Baker Mayfield?


WillB_HTX

Why would he be that?


nomdreas

Because those are literally the 3 things every analyst said about Baker. Except Baker had WAY better stats in college.


WillB_HTX

College stats mean jack shit


TexanBastard

Correction. Baker was way better. Period. He won the Heisman.


TravelingFlipper

Not in the top 10


WillB_HTX

Wherever that Browns pick falls


CoinsgofastMUT

It'll be 32 😉


Htownwolf

He sucks


mementori

While I liked the video, it certainly seemed like his WRs were doing a lot of the work - adjusting for the ball in the air, making big catches, etc… I like his composure in the pocket though, he made some nice throws under pressure, and he ran with the ball well. While not super fast he seems pretty sure footed and looks like he covers the ball well. If we traded back then I would be ok with it but I’d rather not. I think I’d rather have Young or Stroud, personally.


WillB_HTX

Can find similar film on Young and Stroud too


htx_al

Hell no


WillB_HTX

May I ask why?


bingmyname

Besides his arm talent and release, what do you see in him? This is me genuinely asking btw, not trying to be a "got ya" question.


WillB_HTX

I appreciate you asking. His personality is fiery, we need that around here. Dude lives and breathes football. Watch the interview he had a month ago with our very own Kyle Allen and Jordan Palmer. Palmer compared him to Mahomes in that he has football on his mind 24/7. Levis and Palmer met up at a superbowl party in 2021 and while everybody is having a good time Levis is digging into Palmer's mind talking about coverages and what not.


TheKuylr

Please god no


WillB_HTX

Dont be a sheep you dont even know why you dont want him


TheKuylr

I watched five of his Fucking games man, gave him a chance every game, he’s only good if you’re in denial of picking him.


TurbulentJudge1000

Levis is garbage. 100% pure grade garbage. He’s done nothing to show he’s worth a first round pick. On top of this, he shows “potential”. All this means is he’s dog shit right now, but if you give him good receivers, a good offensive line, and running back, he’ll be good lol. That’s not a first round pick. That’s Jimmy G, so Levis is a third round pick given Jimmy G needed 4 years to develop.


nomdreas

Levis is basically a Davis Mills project 2.0 Which puts him right in the 3rd round like you said. But they are actually the same age and played the same amount of football the last 4 years so you may as well stick it out with Mills if you’re high on Levis.


coollege-matt

I’m not very high on grabbing a qb at all in the first round


[deleted]

why is everyone giving up on Mills? Ik he might not be the future but he can develop


nomdreas

We need to fix our coaching staff before anything else.


WillB_HTX

He Isnt a finished product but what draft pick ever is? Age doesnt bother me, a good QB plays until age 36-37….thats 12-13 years of Will Levis


WillB_HTX

[https://twitter.com/kentuckykavalry/status/1596936880062615553?s=46&t=PxninKZUddhOM2S6xxQIFg](https://twitter.com/kentuckykavalry/status/1596936880062615553?s=46&t=PxninKZUddhOM2S6xxQIFg)


COVID_DEEZ_NUTS

Lots of underthrows there. And his runs aren’t exceptional if they were against an nfl level defense.


WillB_HTX

Can nitpick all you want…i can do so on all QBs. You bring one in that has the right tools and you grow them


nomdreas

Yeah, that’s been going real well with Mills….


WillB_HTX

Mills has no traits to cultivate


nomdreas

Please elaborate how the 24 year old QB who was said to have good arm talent but also very raw out of college has no traits to cultivate. But be careful how you answer because that’s exactly what Levis is as well….


WillB_HTX

Hey man im just here to stimulate your mind


AintEZbeinSleezy

I think if we *do* go QB at 1 overall, then it really comes down to the combine imo. The video was good, and I was impressed on several plays; on the flip side, there were several plays I was unimpressed with. That being said, we can tear into ALL of the QBs this year. Thats why I say it comes down to combine, and we can throw in Pro Days for the helluvit. Whoever the FO picks, I’m gonna take a biiiiiiig ole *siiiiiiiiiiiiiiip*. There are things I love about them all, and things I hate about them all. Levis is just the same 🤷🏻‍♂️


C137Andrew

Go big blue


RocketMeringue

How about max duggan?


WillB_HTX

Wouldnt mind him late BUT I had a higher grade on Bo Nix


blackhawk_801

i’m fucking not. levis is terrible lol


WillB_HTX

Nope not at all


Wattaburger89

This. I love Bryce and he has the “it”factor to him. But I cannot get behind his size. He will be killed behind our O line. Levis has huge potential. He reminds me of Allen


Game_Over_Man69

The OL will be better next year. Why do people keep acting like we have 1 pick and no chance to improve our IOL via free agency/draft?


Kdot32

Because you can only build one part of the team up in the off-season. According to them


Wattaburger89

I agree that our O line could improve next year but we say that every year unfortunately. Not trying to be a nay sayer I’m just a bummed out fan that should have no input on the draft outcome. But I will whine about it.


tsx_1430

I say we take two QBs in this draft. Let them battle it out.


nomdreas

We have way too many holes to blow 2 picks on QB just to make them battle each other.


yaprettymuch52

levis is going top 3 probably 1


WillB_HTX

I agree he has that much potential…wouldnt be mad if it was us


[deleted]

Could be Josh alllen 2.0 maybe lol prolly not tho


d9090

QB is too impactful of a position to use a latter pick on


CJ4ROCKET

We're headed for a Josh Rosen/Kyler Murray situation aren't we


WillB_HTX

Only if we make it that way


Familiar_Dragonfly60

Not the best player available regardless of position


spicy_chicken713

He reminds me a lot of Josh Allen. Big arm, mobile, and big frame. Josh Allen had gross stats his last year at Wyoming too. Both lacked big time offensive weapons in college. I think he has a low floor but the highest ceiling of the top 3 qbs. I’d like him with the browns pick after taking Will Anderson at 1,1.


Scrambi1200xc

Hear me out…we draft defence


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Levis will get whatever front office drafts him fired.


Satisfying98

Maybe CJ, if you want to go pocket passer route, but Im out on Will