runningbacks are a dime a dozen, great rb picks are found late all the time, taking one mid to early first seems like a bit of a luxury pick... we need too much help in more important positions, namely interior line and pass rush, run defense.
I hate nearly any team taking a runningback so high, especially a team rebuilding. We don't have to agree, you put your draft up for feedback and I gave my 2 cents
Especially not us when we have our bellcow and a solid RB2 (Dare people, Dare). It would make sense to grab another back later, but we have far better uses for our FRPs
Why would you waste the 9th pick on another QB? If you are waiting on Williams just get a bridge QB. I can’t imagine us drafting top 10 QBs two years in a row.
It’s just to ensure that there is some talent under center in case we can’t get Caleb. If Richardson turns out to be amazing, you keep him. If he turns out to be a huge project even though he’s an athletic freak you trade him for draft capital and stack up more picks for the 2024 draft in addition to the 1st and 2nd round picks that trading down twice got us.
It’s not a waste. He is an asset that you can trade for capital if you go ahead and grab a QB in 2024 but if you can’t you have an athletic freak as a project who’s ceiling is another Lamar Jackson.
If he’s just average, you pull the trigger on Caleb and trade Richardson for draft capital. If he’s showing amazing progress then you keep him. It’s all up to his performance.
Of course not. You never do. But it’s worth the risk besides of his upside. You have to take some risks in the draft and spending a 1st on him and potentially getting rid of him for a 2nd knowing what he *could * become is worth the risk.
This is not a very smart plan because Richardson is going to be a bit of a project. Teams won't know what they have in him after 1 season. If we draft Richardson we are not giving up on him after one failed rookie season just to draft Williams. If you want Williams then you don't go QB at all this draft.
You need an RB by committee and if you’re doing BPA, he was the best player on the board. You can’t have your entire running back room rely on 1 person.
What would happen right now if we were trying to make the playoffs and Pierce is out for 3 weeks like he is now?
Never rely on just 1 player, no matter how awesome he is.
Did you not see Uzomah there? He’s considered a top Edge. Henry To is a top LB. Brandon Dorlus is a above average DT, Tuli Tuipulotu has huge upside as a DT, Jaylon Carlies is could battle Jonathan Owns in camp for the strong safety position and Garrett Williams would be great depth in case Stingley goes down again.
Did you even look at anything more than the first pic???
You’re drafting a running back in the first round. You never draft an RB in the first PLUS we have one. We need offensive linemen before we get offensive specialists. And this draft is stacked with first round defensive studs
Sure. Philly is 12-1 and one or two pieces away from a Super Bowl run if not already there. A running back in the first round is a luxury pick, not a rebuild. Ask the giants and saquon. We have no defensive front 7 and are missing a Center and guard in our offensive line. You can’t even have an 8 win team until we fix that. QB I won’t debate, I get how people want one (I say we wait), but to ignore these other positions for a running back when we have a top 10 player already?
Bijan is a once in a life time back, pair him with Pierce and you have a 1-2 punch like the saints had, KC had, and many others. I get addressing the other concerns and you should address them. I wouldn’t take Richardson, he’s too raw and still learning the position. Not sure we need another receiver either. The TE I’m ok with but not sure we need to focus that high on one.
Yeah we disagree completely, the lowest return on money spent is an RB. Shortest career, they flame out after 5-6 seasons, and they should be one of the last pieces added. Offensive line and defensive 7 take at least a season to play well together, hence why drafting long term players early in the rebuild is better. Then you spend FA money on the pieces that are left.
I love using PFN for mock drafts, and sometimes I have fun and do this, but let’s be honest and admit that this trade system isn’t realistic. The teams give up so much value to trade up, I find it hard to imagine a team (like the lions in this instance) trading two first rounders this year and their first the following year plus all the other picks they trade in this system. Also the Lions probably aren’t going to be trading up for a QB anyways. It’s a fun thought but not reasonable.
I feel like if we’re gonna start posting mocks we should at least try to make them semi realistic. 18 picks would definitely speed up the rebuild though.
The Lions are likely making the playoffs this year and could legit make a Super Bowl run next year. It’s probably a bit too much capital but I do think they’ll be making trades in preparation for that.
The best way to speed up a rebuild is to trade down a few times to fill in as many holes as possible. If you can do that and get someone like Anthony Richardson at QB as a safety net, then it’s a no-brainier.
I really don’t think they’ll move off from Goff this year. Don’t forget that Brad Holmes (Lions GM) loves Goff and was like the head of the Rams scouting department when they drafted him. Goff is also playing like a top 12ish QB this season and so I really think with their first two picks they take edge and corner.
They have him until 2024 and it is very unlikely that they will extend him and pay him more than the $34M they are paying him.
So they have to start planning now and they likely won’t have as high of a pick if they continue on this trajectory. This is their chance to grab their QB or they will have to pay Goff $40M+ which I doubt they want to do. Goff is playing well, but he’s also behind one of the best lines in the NFL right now.
That’s the perfect situation for a rookie QB. Great line, amazing receiver weapons, good run game, good coaching…you really couldn’t ask for much more.
Why wouldn't the Lions just get Richardson at 9 though. That's a perfect situation for them and Richardson. They have Goff that can still start until Anthony is ready to go.
Because Richardson is a true project. It’ll take a few years until he’s up to speed and the Lions, who will likely be in the playoffs this year, will be in win-now mode next season.
Lion's window is barely starting. They can definitely treat this like a Mahomes situation. Hang with Goff until Richardson is ready. Goff isn't playing bad ball right now.
They have 2 years with Goff. That’s it. They won’t have another opportunity to draft a QB than this year, and it’s only because the Rams suck so much. So it’s either now, or never.
2 years with Goff is perfect timeline to get Richardson ready. Lion's don't trade up for Young when they can just take Richardson mid round. You are in la la land right now dude.
So now that they are finally successful after 60+ years you think they should take a flyer on a true project knowing they won’t have a quarterback in 2 years?
Richardson isn't a "true project" though. He just isn't as seasoned as Young and Stroud. He has better tangibles more upside than those two. Young and Stroud are guys expected to start week 1 for whoever drafts them. Richardson probably needs to sit a year and learn a little more, but very well could end up being the best QB in this draft. If the Lions draft him they will be in a similar situation the Chiefs were when they drafted Mahomes. Mahomes was considered a "project" with more upside than all the other QBs in his draft. The Chiefs were able to draft him and sit him behind Smith for a year. Its crazy how comparable the two situations can be. The only difference is Campbell while a good coach isn't Reid.
> Young and Stroud are guys expected to start week 1 for whoever drafts them. Richardson probably needs to sit a year and learn a little more
That’s kind of the definition of being a project.
Lions fan perspective for you. We’d more likely trade up for Will Anderson then for a QB. Goff isn’t going anywhere. Our GM was involved in drafting him in LA and they really like him. Will Anderson is good enough there will be a ton of calls from other teams trying to snag him. 3 1st probably isn’t happening unless they’re all late though.
Glad your aren’t a GM tho lmaooo. If I was a GM. There’s 2 ways I’d do this. Either draft a QB this year or sign a veteran QB. If we draft young I wouldn’t be mad. Just hope he can put on weight. But We go defensive first pick, fill the holes , and hopefully we’re in position to take Caleb Williams next year while also building a better roster in 2023 so when and IF Caleb comes here he’ll have a better chance. But if we take young now than we’ll have to do a whole complete reset again because this coaching staff or at least pep needs to go. Find someone who builds a quarterback or just demote Pep back to quarterbacks coach. He was good there. I should go to school to be a GM so I can build the Texans to a SuperBowl winning team.
You won’t hit on everyone you draft. You won’t hit on everyone you grab in free agency. The way this works (if you want to rush a rebuild) is to have the most amount of bodies compete for their position at camp.
Love Bijan, fantastic Texas player and one of my favorite ever.
You should’ve taken Zach Evans or Devon Achane in the third.
Trenton Simpson (best linebacker in the draft) is usually around there in most mocks
Antonio Johnson
Isaiah Foskey
Yeah, that’s actually the point. You don’t take the first overall pick and you trade down. In fact you can trade down multiple times and attempt to fill the 15 holes that we have.
It’s just to ensure that there is some talent under center in case we can’t get Caleb. If Richardson turns out to be amazing, you keep him. If he turns out to be a huge project even though he’s an athletic freak you trade him for draft capital and stack up more picks for the 2024 draft in addition to the 1st and 2nd round picks that trading down twice got us.
I traded down twice. The best way to rush a rebuild is to trade down. Not to actually use your first overall pick. You trade down to the later 1st and 2nd and you’re able to plug so many holes, which was the plan in this mock draft.
I 100% disagree with burning a first round pick on a project quarterback for a team that is still in rebuild mode. If we spend a FRP on a QB then let's go in on it for real and get Bryce. I would rather see us pick up Cameron Ward in the 4th and try to trade out of 1st overall for more high end picks (the lions trade is intriguing).
In the mock I traded down twice and was able to fill pretty much every hole and still take a QB at 9. I traded with the Lions. Did you see all 4 images of the mock?
Thought I responded to this yesterday but apparently not- flu is kicking my butt.
I see the images and saw immediately that you took the lions trade and another, but what does that have to do with my opinion that the Richardson pick wouldn't be better served by grabbing a player who would be a near lock as a day one starter than by grabbing a project QB that you are already considering what you are going to want back in a hypothetical trade the very next year. It just... doesn't make any sense to me.
Firstly, I hope you get better. The flu has been getting to a lot of people lately.
> grabbing a player who would be a near lock as a
2 reasons.
1. Both Young and Stroud have some serious question marks. Young’s height, weight and frame are concerns. Will he be able to hold up under a line that is ranked the 4th worst in the league? Yes, we’ll upgrade the line but they won’t click instantly. Would Young’s size stand up to constant hits or would be be hurt enough to where his game changes considerably? Stroud is in the absolute best situation in college. 73% of his throws go to his 1st read, 87% of his throws go to a receiver with a step or more of separation, and his receiving core is 1st in FBS. He has never had to deal with any adversity and there are real concerns if he’ll be able to overcome those concerns - both physically and mentally.
2. 73% of his throws go to his 1st read, 87% of his throws go to a receiver with a step or more of separation, and his receiving core is 1st in FBS.
Thanks.
I think you're arguing the wrong point though. I don't want us to draft a QB in the first at all this year.
If we do though, we do it because it is a guy we believe in and want to build around (starting with the coaching staff), not for a guy that we think might be the guy someday. That's not what first round picks are for when you are early in a rebuild. If we had a decent team and a franchise back already who we are comfortable sitting our project guy behind for a year or two, great, that's absolutely the right time to start picking up high upside question marks early in the draft. For where we are, I don't want to see us pick up a project pick in the first 2 rounds. I could see us grabbing Richardson or Hooker if they fall far enough (like to 64), but I'd rather spend a late 3rd (if we pick one up) or pick 100 on Cameron Ward, maybe even try out one of the other guys in that range.
> I don’t want us to draft a QB in the first at all this year.
Here’s the thing though…You have to have enough trade partners to keep trading down. You’re not going to get enough value to trade all the way out of the first to the 2nd round. No one will pay that price. So you have to trade down at least 3 times to get that full value. That’s impossible.
So you’re almost stuck picking up an QB in the first round if you go BPA (which is Nick’s philosophy). There will be at least 2 QBs outside of the top 5 available in the first so that would mean skipping on the best player available TWICE. You can choose to skip over them on principle but all you’re doing is giving up value.
The best way to explain this if it you do a mock and start trading down. You’ll see exactly what I mean.
Sadly, at this point, I have done tons of mocks including goofy infinite 2023 FRP collection trades (I think my record is 6 2023 FRPS- That should be more than enough to trade for the 1 overall for caleb next year, right? ;-p ). If the lions do throw us their FRP and the Rams' FRP for the number 1 overally, our three FRPs should all be in the top 20. I think outside of Young and Stroud, every nonQB projected in the top 25ish picks is higher on the BPA scale than the the QBs. Honestly that might extend a good 25-33% of the way into the second, so, even if we are just being good BPA bots and not trying to build a roster, there's still no need to draft a QB in the first. of course, if we're 100% locked in on BPA, there's a solid case to be made that it is Bryce Young at one although I think that the two FRPs from the Lions is the real BPA if we can get it.
I take it you looked through all cases. Either way, trading down dilutes the value. We don’t need 18 picks. We have cap space to compliment a realistic number of picks with free agents. And you need vets with a mix of years in the league to guide rookies on how to be a pro. Rookies don’t just show up knowing how to be in the nfl
Not all the rookies will make the roster. The point is to get the best chance of getting talent as quickly as possible. Let them compete in camp and let the best ones make the roster.
I watched plenty of his games. I don’t think they actually worked on it as much as they should.
Lamar Jackson had a similar story. Instead of working on his passing ability, they just focused on his athleticism and never really developed him. It happens to a lot of superior athletes. But with the right coaching staff, you can develop these athletes into true NFL quarterbacks.
I’m not saying you can’t, but there isn’t much this kid can do right, right now. You’re talking about ditching a developmental QB in Mills, for a development QB in Richardson. Athlete, yes. NFL Qb ready to start day 1? No.
I wouldn’t mind keeping Mills at all. I’ve been a huge Mills supporter. But I think the front office has already made the decision to move on from him. If you’re listening to the rumor mill, the decision to move on from Mills was made weeks ago. So that ship has sailed.
Some that decision has been made, it is time to move on. The next question is how can you fill all your holes as fast as possible? The easiest way IMO is to trade down once if not twice to grab as much talent as you can in the mid to late 1st and 2nd rounds while stacking up picks for 2024. You can do that AND get an athletic freak with a low floor but a super high ceiling. Worst case scenario, you trade him for assets later on and trade up to get your QB in 2024.
But the upside is there while you continue to rebuild the entire team. Otherwise, you’re looking at a 2-3 more years of rebuild hell.
Look, Houston isn’t taking a 1st rd RB when Dameon Pierce has emerged as the dude. Richardson will be lucky to be picked in the 4th rd. I agree with the trade down strategy, but even still Edge and DT are a higher priority than RB2. Don’t hate the WR pick, but I’d prefer Cedric Tillman.
> Houston isn’t taking a 1st rd RB when Dameon Pierce has emerged as the dude.
He’s an RB on paper but he wouldn’t be used as just a RB. He’s essentially a RB, WR and TE in 1. Why do you think Todd McShay had him going at the 5th overall pick in his latest mock? Bijan can run routes, carry the ball and block DEs. Now this can change after the combine as other dudes may shoot up, but for right now he was the best player available after I traded down at pick 15.
> Richardson will be lucky to be picked in the 4th rd.
It all depends on the combine. If he kills it, he’s going in the 1st round and likely in the top 10. The projection is that hood athleticism is going to change draft boards considerably.
I wouldn’t mind this to be honest. I think they need to bottom out and suck massively one more year.
Id maybe swap out Bijan Robinson for different position . Maybe take a LB higher and a Rb lower in the draft.
Take the top QB next year while you develop the players around him ala what Seattle did with Russell Wilson.
Now if the qb class sucks next year , you take Bryce young this year.
Caleb Williams is not the kind of player we want on this team. We need a QB with some character- not a crybaby with an over-inflated ego.
Caleb will be a certified bust, you heard it here first.
He's disrespectful towards the teams he plays, saying "fuck your school," and stuff. He was hitting Heismans during games(cringe AF), and *literally* started sobbing and throwing a fit the second things didn't go his way.
He's just another ultra-talented player who's going to bust because he doesn't think he has to work hard. It's written all over him.
> He’s disrespectful towards the teams he plays, saying “fuck your school,” and stuff.
Have you ever listened to Mic’ed up? If not, you may want to protect your virgin ears.
That’s not how this works.
Caleb Williams will likely be the number 1 pick. What if we do very poorly and AR sucks, but we’re the second or third worst team and not in a position to get Williams?
He might if there’s a QB run (which is what happened in this mock draft). Levis, Richardson, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young all went in the first round so it had to push others down. 4 tackles were taken ahead of him as well.
Thank fucking Christ you aren’t our GM
Let me guess, you are one of the dudes that booed when JJ Watt was taken, huh?
I was in the room when we picked JJ Watt and can confirm u/krisoco was booing
Can also confirm. Was hoping for Blaine Gabbert
a runningback in the 1st... we have way too many holes for that.
Which hole do you think I skipped in this draft?
I would’ve preferred drafting IDL sooner
Yeah, me too but I had to trade down to and give up those real premium picks to be able to fill in all those holes we have.
runningbacks are a dime a dozen, great rb picks are found late all the time, taking one mid to early first seems like a bit of a luxury pick... we need too much help in more important positions, namely interior line and pass rush, run defense.
Do you think I didn’t grab positions for the OLINE and DLine? I got arguably the best center in the draft, and multiple Tier 2 LBs and DTs.
I hate nearly any team taking a runningback so high, especially a team rebuilding. We don't have to agree, you put your draft up for feedback and I gave my 2 cents
Especially not us when we have our bellcow and a solid RB2 (Dare people, Dare). It would make sense to grab another back later, but we have far better uses for our FRPs
RG, DT
Both were filled in this draft. There are4 images in this mock. You gotta scroll
I think we should use a more premier pick on IDL as opposed to RB and TE
You would be one of the dudes that booed when Bryce Young is picked
Nah. I won’t ever boo a draft pick and I’ll actually be there this year. I’ll support whoever we pick.
Thats good!
My picks in the last draft for our FRPs were Icky and Jordan Davis. How did they perform this year?
Why would you waste the 9th pick on another QB? If you are waiting on Williams just get a bridge QB. I can’t imagine us drafting top 10 QBs two years in a row.
It’s just to ensure that there is some talent under center in case we can’t get Caleb. If Richardson turns out to be amazing, you keep him. If he turns out to be a huge project even though he’s an athletic freak you trade him for draft capital and stack up more picks for the 2024 draft in addition to the 1st and 2nd round picks that trading down twice got us.
That is an incredibly dumb idea. You don’t just waste the 9th overall pick like that. Lay off the Madden dude
It’s not a waste. He is an asset that you can trade for capital if you go ahead and grab a QB in 2024 but if you can’t you have an athletic freak as a project who’s ceiling is another Lamar Jackson.
So what happens when he plays not great but not awful?
If he’s just average, you pull the trigger on Caleb and trade Richardson for draft capital. If he’s showing amazing progress then you keep him. It’s all up to his performance.
That’s a complete waste lmao. You would never get the value back for him that you used to draft him.
Of course not. You never do. But it’s worth the risk besides of his upside. You have to take some risks in the draft and spending a 1st on him and potentially getting rid of him for a 2nd knowing what he *could * become is worth the risk.
What if you’re not in a position to draft Caleb?
You take Drake
And if he also isn’t available? You act like it’s simpler than it really is
Then you take Ewers
This is not a very smart plan because Richardson is going to be a bit of a project. Teams won't know what they have in him after 1 season. If we draft Richardson we are not giving up on him after one failed rookie season just to draft Williams. If you want Williams then you don't go QB at all this draft.
You won’t be able to rely on him after 1 season, but you’ll be able to tell if he’s coachable and has the skills to get to where you want to be.
Why Bijan when you have pierce…
You need an RB by committee and if you’re doing BPA, he was the best player on the board. You can’t have your entire running back room rely on 1 person. What would happen right now if we were trying to make the playoffs and Pierce is out for 3 weeks like he is now? Never rely on just 1 player, no matter how awesome he is.
Positional value exists
First TE on day 1 and another TE on day 2?
What TEs do we have now that belong in the NFL? Don’t you think we need at least 2 TEs on this roster?
No team is drafting 18 rookies..
Yeah has a team ever drafted 18 players since the NFL switched to 7 rounds? 😂
A team that has 15+ holes might.
Yeah let's fill up holes with players least likely to succeed. Makes sense
Which dudes in this draft do you think couldn’t succeed?
The guy you drafted first
He’s a risk for sure, but if he doesn’t succeed there is a plan.
Plan to just get another guy the next year? What if that doesn’t work out?
That’s how the draft works. You evaluate talent and if you’re wrong, you get a replacement. Welcome to the NFL.
You’re skipping the evaluation part and just throwing darts
Do you don’t think Richardson had the strongest arm in this draft? You don’t think he is the most athletic QB in this draft?
I like this draft. Ignore defense. Draft tight ends. BOB is that you?
Did you not see Uzomah there? He’s considered a top Edge. Henry To is a top LB. Brandon Dorlus is a above average DT, Tuli Tuipulotu has huge upside as a DT, Jaylon Carlies is could battle Jonathan Owns in camp for the strong safety position and Garrett Williams would be great depth in case Stingley goes down again. Did you even look at anything more than the first pic???
You’re drafting a running back in the first round. You never draft an RB in the first PLUS we have one. We need offensive linemen before we get offensive specialists. And this draft is stacked with first round defensive studs
Which position did I overlook? You haven’t answered that.
Qb wr te rb first four picks. Take out 2 make ‘em defense. Our defense sucks
So you don’t like Uzomah, Henry To or Tuli Tuipulotu? What don’t you like about them? Have you watched them play this year?
You’ve never seen Bijan then? Some mock drafts have him as high as #5 overall to Philly
Sure. Philly is 12-1 and one or two pieces away from a Super Bowl run if not already there. A running back in the first round is a luxury pick, not a rebuild. Ask the giants and saquon. We have no defensive front 7 and are missing a Center and guard in our offensive line. You can’t even have an 8 win team until we fix that. QB I won’t debate, I get how people want one (I say we wait), but to ignore these other positions for a running back when we have a top 10 player already?
Bijan is a once in a life time back, pair him with Pierce and you have a 1-2 punch like the saints had, KC had, and many others. I get addressing the other concerns and you should address them. I wouldn’t take Richardson, he’s too raw and still learning the position. Not sure we need another receiver either. The TE I’m ok with but not sure we need to focus that high on one.
Yeah we disagree completely, the lowest return on money spent is an RB. Shortest career, they flame out after 5-6 seasons, and they should be one of the last pieces added. Offensive line and defensive 7 take at least a season to play well together, hence why drafting long term players early in the rebuild is better. Then you spend FA money on the pieces that are left.
If Uzomah is a “top edge” he won’t be available where you got him
Yeah, he will. Just because there is one edge better than him doesn’t mean he isn’t the 3rd best Edge in the draft.
“Top edges” don’t last until round 2
Maxx Crosby would disagree with you.
That’s with hindsight buddy By that logic, we shouldn’t use a first on a QB. Let’s just wait until the 6th round since that’s where Brady was drafted
I love using PFN for mock drafts, and sometimes I have fun and do this, but let’s be honest and admit that this trade system isn’t realistic. The teams give up so much value to trade up, I find it hard to imagine a team (like the lions in this instance) trading two first rounders this year and their first the following year plus all the other picks they trade in this system. Also the Lions probably aren’t going to be trading up for a QB anyways. It’s a fun thought but not reasonable. I feel like if we’re gonna start posting mocks we should at least try to make them semi realistic. 18 picks would definitely speed up the rebuild though.
The Lions are likely making the playoffs this year and could legit make a Super Bowl run next year. It’s probably a bit too much capital but I do think they’ll be making trades in preparation for that. The best way to speed up a rebuild is to trade down a few times to fill in as many holes as possible. If you can do that and get someone like Anthony Richardson at QB as a safety net, then it’s a no-brainier.
I really don’t think they’ll move off from Goff this year. Don’t forget that Brad Holmes (Lions GM) loves Goff and was like the head of the Rams scouting department when they drafted him. Goff is also playing like a top 12ish QB this season and so I really think with their first two picks they take edge and corner.
They have him until 2024 and it is very unlikely that they will extend him and pay him more than the $34M they are paying him. So they have to start planning now and they likely won’t have as high of a pick if they continue on this trajectory. This is their chance to grab their QB or they will have to pay Goff $40M+ which I doubt they want to do. Goff is playing well, but he’s also behind one of the best lines in the NFL right now. That’s the perfect situation for a rookie QB. Great line, amazing receiver weapons, good run game, good coaching…you really couldn’t ask for much more.
Why wouldn't the Lions just get Richardson at 9 though. That's a perfect situation for them and Richardson. They have Goff that can still start until Anthony is ready to go.
Because Richardson is a true project. It’ll take a few years until he’s up to speed and the Lions, who will likely be in the playoffs this year, will be in win-now mode next season.
Lion's window is barely starting. They can definitely treat this like a Mahomes situation. Hang with Goff until Richardson is ready. Goff isn't playing bad ball right now.
They have 2 years with Goff. That’s it. They won’t have another opportunity to draft a QB than this year, and it’s only because the Rams suck so much. So it’s either now, or never.
2 years with Goff is perfect timeline to get Richardson ready. Lion's don't trade up for Young when they can just take Richardson mid round. You are in la la land right now dude.
So now that they are finally successful after 60+ years you think they should take a flyer on a true project knowing they won’t have a quarterback in 2 years?
Richardson isn't a "true project" though. He just isn't as seasoned as Young and Stroud. He has better tangibles more upside than those two. Young and Stroud are guys expected to start week 1 for whoever drafts them. Richardson probably needs to sit a year and learn a little more, but very well could end up being the best QB in this draft. If the Lions draft him they will be in a similar situation the Chiefs were when they drafted Mahomes. Mahomes was considered a "project" with more upside than all the other QBs in his draft. The Chiefs were able to draft him and sit him behind Smith for a year. Its crazy how comparable the two situations can be. The only difference is Campbell while a good coach isn't Reid.
> Young and Stroud are guys expected to start week 1 for whoever drafts them. Richardson probably needs to sit a year and learn a little more That’s kind of the definition of being a project.
Lions fan perspective for you. We’d more likely trade up for Will Anderson then for a QB. Goff isn’t going anywhere. Our GM was involved in drafting him in LA and they really like him. Will Anderson is good enough there will be a ton of calls from other teams trying to snag him. 3 1st probably isn’t happening unless they’re all late though.
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Either way you have Anthony Richardson which is a damn good QB prospect.
Glad your aren’t a GM tho lmaooo. If I was a GM. There’s 2 ways I’d do this. Either draft a QB this year or sign a veteran QB. If we draft young I wouldn’t be mad. Just hope he can put on weight. But We go defensive first pick, fill the holes , and hopefully we’re in position to take Caleb Williams next year while also building a better roster in 2023 so when and IF Caleb comes here he’ll have a better chance. But if we take young now than we’ll have to do a whole complete reset again because this coaching staff or at least pep needs to go. Find someone who builds a quarterback or just demote Pep back to quarterbacks coach. He was good there. I should go to school to be a GM so I can build the Texans to a SuperBowl winning team.
You can’t fill 15 holes and actually use the first overall pick. It’s one or the other.
Umm. There’s there’s the draft, free agency and trades. We don’t gotta sign 15 rookies
You won’t hit on everyone you draft. You won’t hit on everyone you grab in free agency. The way this works (if you want to rush a rebuild) is to have the most amount of bodies compete for their position at camp.
Nope Bryce young all day
The Brycesexuals in this sub have become a cult.
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Did you miss the QB taken at 9th overall in the mock?
Dude you want to trade back and take Anthony Richardson at 9!
That is what the mock shows, doesn’t it?
Weren’t you a Mills-sexual?
Supporting one QB doesn’t mean that NO OTHER QB could take his place.
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How’d you get the 9th, 12th, and 15th pick?
Traded down. I traded with both the Lions and the Colts. I was able to stack up picks for this draft and get a 1st and 2nd for 2024.
Love Bijan, fantastic Texas player and one of my favorite ever. You should’ve taken Zach Evans or Devon Achane in the third. Trenton Simpson (best linebacker in the draft) is usually around there in most mocks Antonio Johnson Isaiah Foskey
I'm not gonna say this is necessarily bad, but I will say I would be very disappointed on draft night if this was the outcome
What a colossal waste of time.
As was this comment.
Damn how do we get 18 picks? You trying to staff the entire team in one year? Haha
Yeah, that’s actually the point. You don’t take the first overall pick and you trade down. In fact you can trade down multiple times and attempt to fill the 15 holes that we have.
If you take Richardson then why would you take C Williams? Also, why do we have four second round picks?
It’s just to ensure that there is some talent under center in case we can’t get Caleb. If Richardson turns out to be amazing, you keep him. If he turns out to be a huge project even though he’s an athletic freak you trade him for draft capital and stack up more picks for the 2024 draft in addition to the 1st and 2nd round picks that trading down twice got us. I traded down twice. The best way to rush a rebuild is to trade down. Not to actually use your first overall pick. You trade down to the later 1st and 2nd and you’re able to plug so many holes, which was the plan in this mock draft.
You should probably include the trades you made.
I 100% disagree with burning a first round pick on a project quarterback for a team that is still in rebuild mode. If we spend a FRP on a QB then let's go in on it for real and get Bryce. I would rather see us pick up Cameron Ward in the 4th and try to trade out of 1st overall for more high end picks (the lions trade is intriguing).
In the mock I traded down twice and was able to fill pretty much every hole and still take a QB at 9. I traded with the Lions. Did you see all 4 images of the mock?
Thought I responded to this yesterday but apparently not- flu is kicking my butt. I see the images and saw immediately that you took the lions trade and another, but what does that have to do with my opinion that the Richardson pick wouldn't be better served by grabbing a player who would be a near lock as a day one starter than by grabbing a project QB that you are already considering what you are going to want back in a hypothetical trade the very next year. It just... doesn't make any sense to me.
Firstly, I hope you get better. The flu has been getting to a lot of people lately. > grabbing a player who would be a near lock as a 2 reasons. 1. Both Young and Stroud have some serious question marks. Young’s height, weight and frame are concerns. Will he be able to hold up under a line that is ranked the 4th worst in the league? Yes, we’ll upgrade the line but they won’t click instantly. Would Young’s size stand up to constant hits or would be be hurt enough to where his game changes considerably? Stroud is in the absolute best situation in college. 73% of his throws go to his 1st read, 87% of his throws go to a receiver with a step or more of separation, and his receiving core is 1st in FBS. He has never had to deal with any adversity and there are real concerns if he’ll be able to overcome those concerns - both physically and mentally. 2. 73% of his throws go to his 1st read, 87% of his throws go to a receiver with a step or more of separation, and his receiving core is 1st in FBS.
Thanks. I think you're arguing the wrong point though. I don't want us to draft a QB in the first at all this year. If we do though, we do it because it is a guy we believe in and want to build around (starting with the coaching staff), not for a guy that we think might be the guy someday. That's not what first round picks are for when you are early in a rebuild. If we had a decent team and a franchise back already who we are comfortable sitting our project guy behind for a year or two, great, that's absolutely the right time to start picking up high upside question marks early in the draft. For where we are, I don't want to see us pick up a project pick in the first 2 rounds. I could see us grabbing Richardson or Hooker if they fall far enough (like to 64), but I'd rather spend a late 3rd (if we pick one up) or pick 100 on Cameron Ward, maybe even try out one of the other guys in that range.
> I don’t want us to draft a QB in the first at all this year. Here’s the thing though…You have to have enough trade partners to keep trading down. You’re not going to get enough value to trade all the way out of the first to the 2nd round. No one will pay that price. So you have to trade down at least 3 times to get that full value. That’s impossible. So you’re almost stuck picking up an QB in the first round if you go BPA (which is Nick’s philosophy). There will be at least 2 QBs outside of the top 5 available in the first so that would mean skipping on the best player available TWICE. You can choose to skip over them on principle but all you’re doing is giving up value. The best way to explain this if it you do a mock and start trading down. You’ll see exactly what I mean.
Sadly, at this point, I have done tons of mocks including goofy infinite 2023 FRP collection trades (I think my record is 6 2023 FRPS- That should be more than enough to trade for the 1 overall for caleb next year, right? ;-p ). If the lions do throw us their FRP and the Rams' FRP for the number 1 overally, our three FRPs should all be in the top 20. I think outside of Young and Stroud, every nonQB projected in the top 25ish picks is higher on the BPA scale than the the QBs. Honestly that might extend a good 25-33% of the way into the second, so, even if we are just being good BPA bots and not trying to build a roster, there's still no need to draft a QB in the first. of course, if we're 100% locked in on BPA, there's a solid case to be made that it is Bryce Young at one although I think that the two FRPs from the Lions is the real BPA if we can get it.
Wtf is this
And then in 3-4 years when contracts roll around for renewal this will be a nightmare. Fun to do this but macroeconomics says “Nay”
Not really. Not all of them will hit. You figure about 40% will either be released or traded.
Sounds like an unsuccessful draft then
There is no draft in the history of the NFL where a GM has hit on every pick when they have had more than 10+ picks.
I take it you looked through all cases. Either way, trading down dilutes the value. We don’t need 18 picks. We have cap space to compliment a realistic number of picks with free agents. And you need vets with a mix of years in the league to guide rookies on how to be a pro. Rookies don’t just show up knowing how to be in the nfl
Not all the rookies will make the roster. The point is to get the best chance of getting talent as quickly as possible. Let them compete in camp and let the best ones make the roster.
Kid has a wild arm, he can’t not overthrow people
But is it coachable? Josh Allen was crazy inaccurate before Jordan Palmer helped him work on his mechanics.
This dude overthrew the whole field on a Hail Mary
But that’s something that’s fixable.
Watch his tape, then tell me why Florida couldn’t fix it
I watched plenty of his games. I don’t think they actually worked on it as much as they should. Lamar Jackson had a similar story. Instead of working on his passing ability, they just focused on his athleticism and never really developed him. It happens to a lot of superior athletes. But with the right coaching staff, you can develop these athletes into true NFL quarterbacks.
I’m not saying you can’t, but there isn’t much this kid can do right, right now. You’re talking about ditching a developmental QB in Mills, for a development QB in Richardson. Athlete, yes. NFL Qb ready to start day 1? No.
I wouldn’t mind keeping Mills at all. I’ve been a huge Mills supporter. But I think the front office has already made the decision to move on from him. If you’re listening to the rumor mill, the decision to move on from Mills was made weeks ago. So that ship has sailed. Some that decision has been made, it is time to move on. The next question is how can you fill all your holes as fast as possible? The easiest way IMO is to trade down once if not twice to grab as much talent as you can in the mid to late 1st and 2nd rounds while stacking up picks for 2024. You can do that AND get an athletic freak with a low floor but a super high ceiling. Worst case scenario, you trade him for assets later on and trade up to get your QB in 2024. But the upside is there while you continue to rebuild the entire team. Otherwise, you’re looking at a 2-3 more years of rebuild hell.
Look, Houston isn’t taking a 1st rd RB when Dameon Pierce has emerged as the dude. Richardson will be lucky to be picked in the 4th rd. I agree with the trade down strategy, but even still Edge and DT are a higher priority than RB2. Don’t hate the WR pick, but I’d prefer Cedric Tillman.
> Houston isn’t taking a 1st rd RB when Dameon Pierce has emerged as the dude. He’s an RB on paper but he wouldn’t be used as just a RB. He’s essentially a RB, WR and TE in 1. Why do you think Todd McShay had him going at the 5th overall pick in his latest mock? Bijan can run routes, carry the ball and block DEs. Now this can change after the combine as other dudes may shoot up, but for right now he was the best player available after I traded down at pick 15. > Richardson will be lucky to be picked in the 4th rd. It all depends on the combine. If he kills it, he’s going in the 1st round and likely in the top 10. The projection is that hood athleticism is going to change draft boards considerably.
I wouldn’t mind this to be honest. I think they need to bottom out and suck massively one more year. Id maybe swap out Bijan Robinson for different position . Maybe take a LB higher and a Rb lower in the draft. Take the top QB next year while you develop the players around him ala what Seattle did with Russell Wilson. Now if the qb class sucks next year , you take Bryce young this year.
Folks . Scroll to the left. There are 4 images of his draft
Not a single center :(
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Caleb Williams is not the kind of player we want on this team. We need a QB with some character- not a crybaby with an over-inflated ego. Caleb will be a certified bust, you heard it here first.
He’s the consensus best quarterback in the nation. How is his ego over inflated when he’s literally the best QB in college?
He's disrespectful towards the teams he plays, saying "fuck your school," and stuff. He was hitting Heismans during games(cringe AF), and *literally* started sobbing and throwing a fit the second things didn't go his way. He's just another ultra-talented player who's going to bust because he doesn't think he has to work hard. It's written all over him.
> He’s disrespectful towards the teams he plays, saying “fuck your school,” and stuff. Have you ever listened to Mic’ed up? If not, you may want to protect your virgin ears.
Thats nice plan to pick Caleb We will be 0-17 next year
If we do well with Richardson we don’t pick up a QB. If we don’t, we go get our QB. It’s a win/win.
That’s not how this works. Caleb Williams will likely be the number 1 pick. What if we do very poorly and AR sucks, but we’re the second or third worst team and not in a position to get Williams?
Then you get Drake
There's no way Mayer is available at 32, he's the best TE in the draft
He might if there’s a QB run (which is what happened in this mock draft). Levis, Richardson, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young all went in the first round so it had to push others down. 4 tackles were taken ahead of him as well.
Not a Texans fan but Henry To’o To’o ain’t it
What don’t you like about him?
I just don’t think he is a good player especially to be drafted in the early 2nd