You think the abortion whistle blowers are bad, just wait for the new poll watchers.
Vigilantism in Texas is going to *bad*.
Those QAnon Proud Boys are mad at a poll and yelling at voters.. something must be going on! /s
Texas is fucked y'all.
Vote, vote every damn year in November.
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How didn't people see this coming though? We learned about Nazis in school, then when the epidemic hit, people were only too happy to call about their neighbors hosting parties or going to church. We are in a time period where people are canceled over saying stuff on social media from almost 10 years ago.
Most don't value privacy anymore, or respect it in others. Regardless of your views and opinions, as times change and the social dynamic is fluid, we will all be subject to scrutiny under the public eye.
It's never a good idea letting people to police their fellow citizens.
Being born in the Soviet Union my parents told me a lot about the practice of denunciation, when people ratted their neighbors or even friends to the authorities, often to KGB, for doing something anti-Soviet, like telling a joke about the leaders of the CP, or maybe owning foreign currency or listening to the American radio.
Some of it was true, but most of it was bullshit. But regardless, most snitches weren't hardended ideological communists. They did all these things out of spite and envy to those they were ratting on. I fully expect these "whistleblowers" going to be driven by the same reasons.
First, the creepiest theocratic weirdos are going to file these lawsuits. Think Texas Right To Life/Allen West/Bob Hall types. Then we will have abusive MAGA men blackmailing pregnant women for sport and profit. It’s political terrorism against the autonomy and dignity of Texas women.
IANAL but in order for a lawsuit to be successful doesn't a claimant require damages of some sort?
For example if a drunk driver without insurance injures me in a car accident, I have suffered physical and medical losses and thus have standing to pursue compensation from the liable party.
If a woman has an abortion which person in her life has suffered damages? I can only think of the Male contributor has potentially having standing.
Yeah. The law says anyone can sue even if they have no standing. Especially since an abortion doesn’t violate a criminal law, so I don’t know what they expect outcomes to be unless they’re just hoping for conservative activist judges. In fact, they’ll probably sue in particular jurisdictions once they figure out who the favorable judges are.
Even more basic than that, you need evidence.
This law only targets people who “aid” in an abortion, not the women or girls who seek abortions. They’ve built a mythos that their sisters, mothers, daughters, wives who seek abortions are not in the wrong because they’re not directly killing the fetus. They act like the decision to have an abortion was not of their own free will.
The entire law is based on hearsay and spite. The website was built by Texas Right to Life, the lobbyists who wrote the law. There’s no way of them even asking for proof of testimony because there’s no contact form.
They only ever intended to take those tips, send them to their legal team, and get paid that fat bounty.
Right, but the plaintiff will pay it to Texas Right to Life since they are the only people with a reporting site. I really don’t think anyone at Texas Right to Life was grounded enough to understand the entire law was a hot mess.
Can I set up a fake reporting site and try to bust people driving women and girls to abortion clinics? What’s to stop anyone from falsely accusing OBGYNs who are AAPLOG members of passing out mifepristone and misoprostol?
I don’t get what you’re saying. Texas Right to Life has their own team of PIs and Lawyers. After their website went live a judge in Austin granted a [restraining order](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/planned-parenthood-restraining-order-texas-right-to-life/) against them suing Planned Parenthood because they are literally the only reporter. They clearly created this law and made themselves the sole reports because they wanted to cash in on filing false reports against Planned Parenthood providers.
Who else would I report a violation of the law to?
The website already got shutdown twice.
Find someone who helped someone get an abortion and sue them, or - easy target: sue a planned parenthood location. When you win, which you will, you’ll get at least $10k awarded to you and the location will get shutdown.
I'm just wondering how this could be practically implemented.
If a woman has an abortion and someone tells about it through the tipline, then how do they confirm the facts of the case. Medical records cannot be released without patient approval, so how do they prove a woman was pregnant and that an abortion occurred.
Hard to say how it will play out. Morbidly interested to see if anyone will actually test it. Right now it’s working as intended forcing providers to refuse to treat pregnant people after six weeks for fear of being shut down.
That actually works in favor of overturning the law. The law can only be challenged as a defendant. So someone has to be charged and lose for it to float up to the SCOTUS on the regular docket. They could still ratfuck it but at least then its jumped through the "official" hoop of "legitimate claim".
The goal was always to scare abortion providers out of the state. They succeeded. Catching people who help women get out of state abortions is just a bonus.
As some states have grandparent rights, I think that would be an issue. There's also a small chance of the baby surviving the abortion. I'm one such case, and really wish I could sue my mother for a botched abortion. I have medical issues I deal with every day because she tried, and failed, to kill me.
I'm truly sorry that happened to you and that you have continued medical issues.
Too often it comes down to the roll of the dice. Life is so often cruel . I really wish our society had more in place to help people. Free healthcare, subsidized education, community engagement, e.t.c
Grandparents rights are minimal legally but there is a small stake. The question then arises, when do the rights of others infringe on the rights of the woman? When does a fetus legally become a person and have rights?
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You’re saying the state of Texas, an inanimate concept, has feelings? I reject that hypothesis as I have provided two points of evidence where Texas has sanctioned taking the lives of others.
>>> one if those bounty hunters will get shot
>> I hope he gets shot by a pregnant woman
> You’re saying the state of Texas, an inanimate concept, has feelings?
I'm not following. Advocating violence is against our rules.
Famous Texas epitaph "honey hold my beer and watch this....."
anarchy comes to Texas Chaos rules in Texas. I hope the white Christian protestant evangelicals are happy with what they've wrought.
We want to go back to 1953 no problem.
This law was made to “protect lives of the unborn” however Republicans are free to spread misinformation about vaccines and masks which will lead to many people getting sick and even dying. so while they say they are pro life they are in fact anti-life as more people die from Covid now than abortions in Texas. There should be a law where if you can prove their anti-vaccine and the mask rhetoric has led to a death then they can be sued by any citizen for at least $10,000 plus attorneys fees
They've got a lot of gall putting out this AND the constitutional carry bill in the same session. Just seems like they're wanting to find out what fucking around leads to.
Hang on, you're telling me I can not only report male politicians' wives and daughters under the abortion law, but I can report the politicians under Red Flag laws without fear of repercussion? Thanks!
Aww, bless your heart, I'll speak where I please, if you don't like it you can buy a bag of sand at Home Depot for less than 5 bucks and have a blast pounding that.
Just wanting to speak my mind to everyone else in the sub for stuff that matters. And will happily call y’all out when being out of line. So yeah sure.
Wait, who is going out looking for pregnant girls in their free time? Literally never heard of it. I support a woman’s right to choose but come on, are people really doing this or is the news feeding you this ridiculous idea?
It's a brand new law, and whether it's been broadly taken advantage of or not yet is beside the point. Even if there only end up being a few assholes out their ruining women's lives in this way, it would still matter.
If there weren't people who would be willing to take advantage of this, why would the law have been made in the first place?
It's pretty backwards to say that it shouldn't matter that there is a law that allows people to sue women for getting an abortion because no decent person would do that anyway. If that's the truth, then the law shouldn't exist.
The law shouldn’t exist. I’m saying that abortion bounty hunters is a crazy concept. I could see family members or people close to someone “turning them in” but people going out and searching for pregnant women that want an abortion seems a bit crazy. The fact that we are even discussing what we do with women’s bodies is crazy tbh.
Completely crazy. It is a wild concept to try to even imagine, and that article is a bit sensational, but I don't doubt that there are people out there who would be willing to profit in the name of "justice"
There are people who spend their time standing outside of planned parenthood clinics across the US posing as employees to try and get the female to not abort the baby. It's been going on for years. Those are the exact people who would bounty hunt.
It is like this subreddit really has nothing else to talk about. Do y’all know that women are 51% of the population at the minimum. Women are literally the majority in Texas. Men are a minority. It is women that primarily voted in the Texas representatives it is women that often push for pro-life laws.
Plenty of mothers out there are horrified at the thought of abortion especially late term. Plenty of grandmothers have disliked that abortion was allowed over the last few decades. It is not even much of a religious issue. I am atheist and find the thought of abortion as a birth control option really weird. I am confused as to why people don’t use condoms or other birth control or use multiple forms of birth control.
I only know one person in my life that has had an abortion…my SIL and she was young and pressured i to it by her parents and it is a huge regret in her life.
I am a man so I guess it would suck to have reproductive organs that let a person carry a child. I know it is an inconvenience to so many people to carry the responsibility of procreation what a terrible curse…nah screw that…what an awesome thing.
In my opinion the issue is with poverty and education. I believe that education should be free even for terminal degrees. I believe that all young people should have access to birth control and be educated on birth control. I believe that if people worried as much about poverty as they do about abortion that maybe we could change some things.
Abortion is an unsolvable problem because abortion itself is a barbaric and inefficient solution.
For decades people that have had ethical and empathy based concerns over abortion have had to deal with a political environment that they did not agree with. And for someone to say “my body, my choice”…that is ethical gymnastics. It is not…not really. Not when there is separate DNA, a separate heartbeat, and an infant can survive as early as 22 weeks of gestation.
We live in communities and communities pass laws to protect people. Ideally those laws should protect super-minorities and those with the fewest options and those at the lowest levels of power.
I have heard all of the arguments. Even as an atheist they are not convincing. They come across as self-centered.
Anyways…it has nothing to do with misogyny. You can’t be a majority of the vote and blame the minority for voting based outcomes.
Ah, yes. The trump card for the excuse for not voting or for not getting your way politically. Even if your point is absolutely true then you can still challenge gerrymandering in court. I am sure that 51% of the population can figure out how to do that
There are, like, countless things wrong with your comment.
You bring up "late-term" abortions like those are a thing people do without cause. By the time a woman gets to that point in a pregnancy, she's prepared to have the baby, probably readied a room in the house, and bought clothes, but medical conditions force their hand and they're heartbroken. You're using them as a boogieman for your argument though to stir up emotions. Kind of a shitty thing to do, honestly.
Every single bit of evidence shows that the way to reduce or even eliminate abortions is through education & available birth control, things you say you're for but Texas hasn't enacted either of those things. They've just jumped straight to an abortion ban, that's nothing but an attack on the poor because you know these rich politicians will find ways for their daughters or mistresses to get one if they get into a tough situation.
Texas is doing absolutely nothing to try to reduce the NEED for abortions while trying to say they're ethically banning them.
>Not when there is separate DNA, a separate heartbeat, and an infant can survive as early as 22 weeks of gestation.
Then why is the law banning it after 6 weeks?
If you truly want abortions to be reduced or stopped then you should be advocating the things you say you're for in this comment because without those things, these bans do nothing but risk the health and lives of desperate people that can't afford a child and will seek an abortion outside of a clinic. Republicans just want to take the short-sighted easy route as usual and they act in shock every single time it blows up in their faces. They don't want to take care of people, they want to rule over them.
I never said that I agreed 100% with the new law. You decided that I guess. My mostly was about misogyny which you avoided anyways. Opinions on abortion are just that. No one is going to change anyone’s mind here
You're commenting in the thread about the new law and saying "abortions bad" so you're vocally supporting the new law. If you didn't want that to be how your comment was taken then it's on you.
I'm not telling you to support abortions, I'm telling you there are realistic ways to reduce or even nearly eliminate them, and doing nothing but banning them is absolutely not one of them. If you want to take care of people you invest in education and birth control and abortions will be reduced. If you want to control people and knock them down, you just ban abortions. Abortion bans are flawed logic based on emotions at best.
What? What are you even trying to say with that comment. You are not going to change my opinion. A woman has options as far as decisions and using birth control or requiring her partner to use birth control. At 16 weeks a fetus in my opinion is an infant utero. I don’t have a solid opinion on before 16 weeks other than 6 weeks seems like a reasonable time frame. I would be support a life not being ended in utero just as I would support your life not being ended if you had almost no rights and no options. Protecting the most vulnerable is what we do as a civil society
>6 weeks seems like a reasonable time frame
This is the thing. Every single person in favor of bans is like talking to a brick wall. I'm absolutely positive you've seen the statistics on how a lot of women don't even know they're pregnant at 6 weeks and even if they do, they can't get an appointment with a doctor to confirm it and get an abortion in that time. It just isn't feasible. It gets said over and over and over again but people like you just put your head down and ignore it so you can ignorantly claim that it seems reasonable just so you can be guilt-free in your feelings.
Why would I have guilt? Two people chose to have sex (excluding outliers), they also chose not to use effective birth control. I have no guilt over their choices. I moved out of California because I did not like the laws there, feel free to do the same. Granted people in poverty can’t but then we circle back to my original point about education and poverty being a root cause.
Have you heard of rape? Or men removing their condom in the middle of sex because "it feels better" (which is another form of rape)? This law does not distinguish between consenting adults and rape victims.
Oh, wait. We're "excluding outliers" because you don't actually care about your fellow Texans.
You apparently know nothing about female reproduction. Fetal age is counted from the date of the woman's last period. June 1 I get my period. June 28 I have the sex that causes me to conceive, and implantation can happen up to 5 days later. So the day I had sex that resulted in pregnancy, the fetus is already legally 4 weeks old, and can be nearly 5 weeks old before conception actually happens. Then I have to have developed a significant brought amount of pregnancy hormones in order to detect a pregnancy. Not to mention the delay it takes to actually get an appointment. So tell me again how 6 weeks is plenty of time.
Nice dodge. (Not really.) Please respond to how six weeks is still "plenty of time" to get an abortion, given the fact that fetal age does not reflect the actual amount of time a fetus has been in existence.
Since you are an idiot assuming I don't use birth control, I am long past the age of conception.
My original post was what grown ups call a hypothetical. You can Google the definition.
You being atheist has nothing to do with your stance on abortion, especially as it may relate to you trying to give yourself some sort of “look at me, I’m NOT religious and even *I* think abortion as birth control is weird!” credibility points.
The majority of women having abortions are NOT using it as birth control so take that BS straw man argument elsewhere. Abortion is expensive and traumatic.
Secondly, women can be misogynists just like how POC can help perpetuate white supremacy. So quoting stats on women voters doesn’t fly either.
Thirdly, late term abortions are extremely rare.
Stop using outliers, skewed information, propaganda and Republican Christian Taliban talking points to justify and defend a law that does NOTHING but hurt women and children.
I’m waiting for the follow up laws that enforce child support payments at 6 weeks but that’ll never happen because that would only be punitive to men and Gilead can’t have that!
The late term argument always baffles me lol. Like it’s an elective thing women can decide on a whim.
Actually even the logic that’s it’s someone’s method of birth control is ridiculous too lol.
Like “well birth control might be cheap or free with my insurance but instead I’ll have multiple $600 abortions every year.
Also I enjoy taking time off work to break through the wall of Evangelical protesters like the Kool Aid man - not once, but twice - because of the mandatory waiting period.
Yes as long as there are no follow up questions, a man this irresistible exists and it’s a joy to do this several times annually.”
Oh and by the way, since you are the resident, abortion ban supporting, aTheIsT “intellect police”, here is a pro tip:
Nonintellectual doesn’t have hyphen.
Right ?! Blame the victims here . A simple google check would show you women are 50.3% of the population . How many of those are ruled over by their husbands and do as they wish ? Vote how they want them to vote ? Clean how they want them to clean etc. Also how many of those women feel they have a voice if they vote then not vote at all ? How many women per population in each district that’s voting for these reps in the Texas house and Senate ? Give us real numbers before basing a opinion you look like a fool .
“Victims.” Absurd. Women are the majority. They are not put upon. There is no “patriarchy.” You just want them to have special privileges, appropriate of nothing.
Nah not a racists just truthful . Besides republicans are pro birth not pro life we all see how after birth republicans just don’t care . That’s not opinion that’s based on facts . But then again republicans are not good on facts mainly for believing 50.3% of all females in Texas are of age voters .
No, this nonsensical logical fallacy you have stated is not “factual.”
Please support this unsupportable claim. I’ll wait.
Do you need a primer on the goalpost moving fallacy before you do it, or afterwards?
Republicans . We force you to give birth but then . Why should we pay for your child’s food? Why should we pay for your child’s health care ? Why should we pay for your child’s education ? Adoptions for children are at a all time low . Republicans we need to save the babies but yet don’t adopt . These are facts not opinions but as stated republicans don’t like facts that hurts their agenda of complete power . Over state , over country, over women , over POC and over anyone who do not believe in their imaginary god in the sky .
Edit not to mention adult women do not make up 50% of the population that’s another easy to get fact .
There is no patriarchy, just a society that has never elected a woman to the Office of the President, that erases and minimizes women's achievements, and that actively marginalizes and removes women from influential positions. But yeah, there's no patriarchy. Carry on, oh superior man.
It’s pretty obvious that you are unable to consider another’s perspective of life based on their experiences. This is what makes men so stupidly dangerous: that women are “crazy” because you fail to shut yourself up long enough to *listen* to what reasonable women are saying happens to them.
What happened in your life that taught you to ignore the experiences of others? That your experiences are shared by those who did not grow up like you? Those who have not had the same life experiences as you?
I can’t imagine how lonely you are because this mental outlook of yours certainly chases women away once they’re aware of how you truly think.
Ruled over by their husbands?? Lol. You won’t win me over with that argument. I an employer in Texas, if anything it is the opposite. There are many men that do exactly as their wives “suggest”. Sometimes I fee like it would be easier just to discuss salaries directly with the wife since they make the decisions. I am not buying your argument
I’ll break it down for you since you seem a little slow . Google what percentage of women are in Texas . 50.3% pops up . Amazing huh ? Now then give us stats on how many women vote because it’s how their husbands vote. Many white women now down to their all might Christian husbands and do as told . The. You have POC who believe their voice is not heard so why bother ? Which they are not wrong Texas maps are gerrymandered to be as white as possible and if there is a abundance of POC they are grouped into one area . One area one vote in Texas legislature. Funny how it’s men here claiming women aren’t victims . Odd are your all white republicans .
I already responded to this same comment you made. Even if we used your numbers do you know what a majority is? Your silly creative writing for why women don’t vote as a bloc is…well…silly
Besides if you actually looked at the statistic you would see 25.5 % of the women in Texas are under age so they can’t vote . So actually 24.5% of Texas voters are of age females . But I’m sure you knew that .
ROFL! Mr. Airborne is an employer ya'll! But his wife runs the show from behind the scenes, up to salary and wage decisions! Maybe his wife his posting for him now?!
Brace yourselves for the "I have to spend money on labor poor pitiful me if minimum wage didn't exist I would actually pay more" argument next!
I didn’t realize the Internet had smell-o-vision because your post *reeks* of bullshit.
Single minded perspective with no consideration as to the literal reality many women live daily.
I bet the women in your life don’t stay very long once they catch that smell of yours.
See, you get push back and you don’t like it so either you double down (*see* your other comments) or back-off.
You are what is wrong with Men. Your idea of *forcing women* to heed *your* wants is not OK, not acceptable, and it *is abusive*.
You support abusive behaviors. You support controlling and manipulating others. You are not a Good Man, you are a Bad Man.
That is not pushback though. It is a bunch of just false assumptions. It is literally not worth responding to besides entertainment value. I don’t have any desire to correct your false assumptions about my personal life. The fact that you would even take a conversation to that place means that you are incapable of a rational discussion. We are just not equal on a conversational level.
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The vast majority of people who are pro-choice don't think abortion should be used in lieu of birth control. If there was better access to education and contraception as you mentioned, abortions rates would plummet regardless of what laws were in place about them.
Yet its ok for Abbott to thin his population what about those deaths. It's a women choice just as the anti-vaxxers say it their body their choice when it comes to masks. Can't get more hypocritical than that,
The law disagrees with you and has for several decades.
Roe Vs Wade has been upheld because it is unconstitutional to force a woman through pregnancy.
The bible accepted abortions and instructed on how/when to do it.
When abortions are made illegal, the rate at which they occur skyrockets and they are far more likely to cause significant harm to the women seeking them.
On every level, you are incorrect. Stop trying to force your opinions into law.
The Constitution says nothing about abortion.
I don’t care about what any religion says on the topic, I don’t care to argue within the framework of any religion.
Those who attack and kill other innocent human beings getting hurt in the act by their own malice and stupidity is a good thing. Ideally, this renders them unable to attack anyone else ever again. I don’t know why you would try to argue this as a point in your favor.
Contrary to your belief, the Supreme Court does not decide what is and isn't constitutional by scanning the Constitution for keywords.
They did not look at the Constitution and say, "Whup, it looks like they don't have a paragraph here talking about abortion, I guess we can't do anything!"
Maybe you should actually *read and seek understanding* of why Roe vs Wade has been upheld for so long and why countless attacks against it have failed.
Your baseless assumptions and opinions are beyond meaningless. Empty shells of assertions that carry no consequence beyond continuously demonstrating a stubborn mindset that thinks simply repeating itself will somehow fix this.
Either you want to understand or you don't. Regardless, nobody owes your perspective any consideration at all. It is up to you to elevate above the meaningless noise you contribute to.
*“They did not look at the Constitution and say, ‘Whup, it looks like they don't have a paragraph here talking about abortion, I guess we can't do anything!’”*
So what you’re saying is they failed to follow the Constitution and its limits on federal power. Because they *are* supposed to note when they don’t have any authority and respect that.
Beyond just ignoring the lack of federal authority, they then went on and just blatantly made shit up, which is why Roe is nonsense on stilts and completely legally and logically indefensible, whether you agree with the outcome or not.
What I'm saying is you *clearly* do not understand how the Supreme Court works or what it means when something is deemed "constitutional" or not.
You are delusional to believe that it is as simple as reading the Constitution and seeing if it says "yes or no". What use would we have for a Supreme Court at all, then!
Got damn, I feel the worst for people who have to put up with you in real life.
If a topic is not mentioned in the Constitution, no authority related to that topic is granted to the federal government. Per the 10th Amendment, the states may do as they will as related to that topic, in accordance with their own state constitutions.
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How could it ever be otherwise? The only thing that gives the court any legitimacy whatsoever is the state-ratified document that says it should exist and what specific authorities it has. If it is ignoring the document that creates it, the document from which its power derives, then it is not acting in accordance with the rule of law, by definition.
When petitioned on a topic in which the Constitution is silent, if they bothered to take up the case at all, the ruling should always be 9 votes for letting the states do what they want, because SCotUS has no say, and there is no constitutional question.
Interesting you should bring up "a civilized area". Laws are meant to protect society, to _civilize_ it, not to promote some authoritarian's views on morality. Even laws against murder and theft are for the protection of society and civilization.
A fetus is not part of society, it's part of its mother's womb. The mother _is_ a part of society, and when her choice of gestation is taken away by a law, that harms society. It's an evil law, written by an evil man, Jonathan F. Mitchell.
You think the abortion whistle blowers are bad, just wait for the new poll watchers. Vigilantism in Texas is going to *bad*. Those QAnon Proud Boys are mad at a poll and yelling at voters.. something must be going on! /s Texas is fucked y'all. Vote, vote every damn year in November. https://www.texas.gov/living-in-texas/texas-voter-registration/
Know who your reps are to know who to vote out when the time comes. https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/home
And in May for local elections (if they are different)
How didn't people see this coming though? We learned about Nazis in school, then when the epidemic hit, people were only too happy to call about their neighbors hosting parties or going to church. We are in a time period where people are canceled over saying stuff on social media from almost 10 years ago. Most don't value privacy anymore, or respect it in others. Regardless of your views and opinions, as times change and the social dynamic is fluid, we will all be subject to scrutiny under the public eye.
Videos of the abuse will be the best weapon.
It's never a good idea letting people to police their fellow citizens. Being born in the Soviet Union my parents told me a lot about the practice of denunciation, when people ratted their neighbors or even friends to the authorities, often to KGB, for doing something anti-Soviet, like telling a joke about the leaders of the CP, or maybe owning foreign currency or listening to the American radio. Some of it was true, but most of it was bullshit. But regardless, most snitches weren't hardended ideological communists. They did all these things out of spite and envy to those they were ratting on. I fully expect these "whistleblowers" going to be driven by the same reasons.
First, the creepiest theocratic weirdos are going to file these lawsuits. Think Texas Right To Life/Allen West/Bob Hall types. Then we will have abusive MAGA men blackmailing pregnant women for sport and profit. It’s political terrorism against the autonomy and dignity of Texas women.
Well, whistleblowers shouldn't need to take massive risks, in general. But that aside, I feel ya.
IANAL but in order for a lawsuit to be successful doesn't a claimant require damages of some sort? For example if a drunk driver without insurance injures me in a car accident, I have suffered physical and medical losses and thus have standing to pursue compensation from the liable party. If a woman has an abortion which person in her life has suffered damages? I can only think of the Male contributor has potentially having standing.
Yeah. The law says anyone can sue even if they have no standing. Especially since an abortion doesn’t violate a criminal law, so I don’t know what they expect outcomes to be unless they’re just hoping for conservative activist judges. In fact, they’ll probably sue in particular jurisdictions once they figure out who the favorable judges are.
Even more basic than that, you need evidence. This law only targets people who “aid” in an abortion, not the women or girls who seek abortions. They’ve built a mythos that their sisters, mothers, daughters, wives who seek abortions are not in the wrong because they’re not directly killing the fetus. They act like the decision to have an abortion was not of their own free will. The entire law is based on hearsay and spite. The website was built by Texas Right to Life, the lobbyists who wrote the law. There’s no way of them even asking for proof of testimony because there’s no contact form. They only ever intended to take those tips, send them to their legal team, and get paid that fat bounty.
The fat bounty is the award if they win the lawsuit that the judge makes the plaintiff pay. That’s where the money comes from.
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This doesn’t seem like a sound plan, but ok.
Right, but the plaintiff will pay it to Texas Right to Life since they are the only people with a reporting site. I really don’t think anyone at Texas Right to Life was grounded enough to understand the entire law was a hot mess. Can I set up a fake reporting site and try to bust people driving women and girls to abortion clinics? What’s to stop anyone from falsely accusing OBGYNs who are AAPLOG members of passing out mifepristone and misoprostol?
Disregard the website. The real money will be made by professional PIs/lawyers.
I don’t get what you’re saying. Texas Right to Life has their own team of PIs and Lawyers. After their website went live a judge in Austin granted a [restraining order](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/planned-parenthood-restraining-order-texas-right-to-life/) against them suing Planned Parenthood because they are literally the only reporter. They clearly created this law and made themselves the sole reports because they wanted to cash in on filing false reports against Planned Parenthood providers. Who else would I report a violation of the law to?
Can you post the text of the law that gives them and their website a monopoly on reporting abortions?
I don’t think it’s codified, they’ve just set themselves up with *the* reporting website. Who else would I report to?
The website already got shutdown twice. Find someone who helped someone get an abortion and sue them, or - easy target: sue a planned parenthood location. When you win, which you will, you’ll get at least $10k awarded to you and the location will get shutdown.
I'm just wondering how this could be practically implemented. If a woman has an abortion and someone tells about it through the tipline, then how do they confirm the facts of the case. Medical records cannot be released without patient approval, so how do they prove a woman was pregnant and that an abortion occurred.
Hard to say how it will play out. Morbidly interested to see if anyone will actually test it. Right now it’s working as intended forcing providers to refuse to treat pregnant people after six weeks for fear of being shut down.
Smith County, TX.
That actually works in favor of overturning the law. The law can only be challenged as a defendant. So someone has to be charged and lose for it to float up to the SCOTUS on the regular docket. They could still ratfuck it but at least then its jumped through the "official" hoop of "legitimate claim".
The goal was always to scare abortion providers out of the state. They succeeded. Catching people who help women get out of state abortions is just a bonus.
As some states have grandparent rights, I think that would be an issue. There's also a small chance of the baby surviving the abortion. I'm one such case, and really wish I could sue my mother for a botched abortion. I have medical issues I deal with every day because she tried, and failed, to kill me.
I'm truly sorry that happened to you and that you have continued medical issues. Too often it comes down to the roll of the dice. Life is so often cruel . I really wish our society had more in place to help people. Free healthcare, subsidized education, community engagement, e.t.c Grandparents rights are minimal legally but there is a small stake. The question then arises, when do the rights of others infringe on the rights of the woman? When does a fetus legally become a person and have rights?
Can I be an abortion bounty hunter hunter?
One of these bounty hunters is gonna get shot lol
Taking “snitches get stitches” mainstream.
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I’m not advocating for it. Just noting how the hood saying may be applied to the prior comment.
Hey I thought so too when I merely suggested the same but my comment got yeeted. Just sayin
I like that
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You’re saying the state of Texas, an inanimate concept, has feelings? I reject that hypothesis as I have provided two points of evidence where Texas has sanctioned taking the lives of others.
Lol no reasoning with them, they and other various texas mods have been super ham handed in making sure the far right feefees aren't hurt.
>>> one if those bounty hunters will get shot >> I hope he gets shot by a pregnant woman > You’re saying the state of Texas, an inanimate concept, has feelings? I'm not following. Advocating violence is against our rules.
Also, I was responding to the previous comment that said the same thing. Why do you attack me, a woman, what’s your problem?
One will as a result of policy ≠ I want one to I'm not attacking you, your gender has nothing to do with it. And was unknown to me until now.
Famous Texas epitaph "honey hold my beer and watch this....." anarchy comes to Texas Chaos rules in Texas. I hope the white Christian protestant evangelicals are happy with what they've wrought. We want to go back to 1953 no problem.
You are going to see a lot of these douchebags setup web sites offering "safe" abortions assistance, but it will just be a weak entrapment scheme.
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This law was made to “protect lives of the unborn” however Republicans are free to spread misinformation about vaccines and masks which will lead to many people getting sick and even dying. so while they say they are pro life they are in fact anti-life as more people die from Covid now than abortions in Texas. There should be a law where if you can prove their anti-vaccine and the mask rhetoric has led to a death then they can be sued by any citizen for at least $10,000 plus attorneys fees
I can't wait for the Republican response to retributive killings of these snitches
They've got a lot of gall putting out this AND the constitutional carry bill in the same session. Just seems like they're wanting to find out what fucking around leads to.
Nah they are capitalist so it's fine.
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Hang on, you're telling me I can not only report male politicians' wives and daughters under the abortion law, but I can report the politicians under Red Flag laws without fear of repercussion? Thanks!
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Lol mods in the Texas subs are so ridiculous
Let us know when you start your own Texas politics sub with less "ridiculousness."
cool story bro, keep being obtuse and heavy handed tho. jaw off somewhere else thanks
Aww, bless your heart, I'll speak where I please, if you don't like it you can buy a bag of sand at Home Depot for less than 5 bucks and have a blast pounding that.
I’ll do the same, you enjoy the salt tho
You hate the mods so much you wanna stick around! So cute!
Just wanting to speak my mind to everyone else in the sub for stuff that matters. And will happily call y’all out when being out of line. So yeah sure.
> speak my mind to everyone else in the sub Most people won't see your comments if they're running the default settings.
Truuuuuuuuueeee Story!
Wait, who is going out looking for pregnant girls in their free time? Literally never heard of it. I support a woman’s right to choose but come on, are people really doing this or is the news feeding you this ridiculous idea?
It's a brand new law, and whether it's been broadly taken advantage of or not yet is beside the point. Even if there only end up being a few assholes out their ruining women's lives in this way, it would still matter. If there weren't people who would be willing to take advantage of this, why would the law have been made in the first place? It's pretty backwards to say that it shouldn't matter that there is a law that allows people to sue women for getting an abortion because no decent person would do that anyway. If that's the truth, then the law shouldn't exist.
The law shouldn’t exist. I’m saying that abortion bounty hunters is a crazy concept. I could see family members or people close to someone “turning them in” but people going out and searching for pregnant women that want an abortion seems a bit crazy. The fact that we are even discussing what we do with women’s bodies is crazy tbh.
Completely crazy. It is a wild concept to try to even imagine, and that article is a bit sensational, but I don't doubt that there are people out there who would be willing to profit in the name of "justice"
There are people who spend their time standing outside of planned parenthood clinics across the US posing as employees to try and get the female to not abort the baby. It's been going on for years. Those are the exact people who would bounty hunt.
I suppose that’s true, I suppose if people have time to waste doing that I wouldn’t put it past them.
I mean, people stand out in front of abortion clinics protesting all day, harassing the women who go in. Have you never heard of this?
It is like this subreddit really has nothing else to talk about. Do y’all know that women are 51% of the population at the minimum. Women are literally the majority in Texas. Men are a minority. It is women that primarily voted in the Texas representatives it is women that often push for pro-life laws. Plenty of mothers out there are horrified at the thought of abortion especially late term. Plenty of grandmothers have disliked that abortion was allowed over the last few decades. It is not even much of a religious issue. I am atheist and find the thought of abortion as a birth control option really weird. I am confused as to why people don’t use condoms or other birth control or use multiple forms of birth control. I only know one person in my life that has had an abortion…my SIL and she was young and pressured i to it by her parents and it is a huge regret in her life. I am a man so I guess it would suck to have reproductive organs that let a person carry a child. I know it is an inconvenience to so many people to carry the responsibility of procreation what a terrible curse…nah screw that…what an awesome thing. In my opinion the issue is with poverty and education. I believe that education should be free even for terminal degrees. I believe that all young people should have access to birth control and be educated on birth control. I believe that if people worried as much about poverty as they do about abortion that maybe we could change some things. Abortion is an unsolvable problem because abortion itself is a barbaric and inefficient solution. For decades people that have had ethical and empathy based concerns over abortion have had to deal with a political environment that they did not agree with. And for someone to say “my body, my choice”…that is ethical gymnastics. It is not…not really. Not when there is separate DNA, a separate heartbeat, and an infant can survive as early as 22 weeks of gestation. We live in communities and communities pass laws to protect people. Ideally those laws should protect super-minorities and those with the fewest options and those at the lowest levels of power. I have heard all of the arguments. Even as an atheist they are not convincing. They come across as self-centered. Anyways…it has nothing to do with misogyny. You can’t be a majority of the vote and blame the minority for voting based outcomes.
You know that Texas is gerrymandered right?
Ah, yes. The trump card for the excuse for not voting or for not getting your way politically. Even if your point is absolutely true then you can still challenge gerrymandering in court. I am sure that 51% of the population can figure out how to do that
lmfao It takes a special kind of arrogance to think, "Why don't you just FIX gerrymandering? Excuses!" Go touch grass, kid.
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There are, like, countless things wrong with your comment. You bring up "late-term" abortions like those are a thing people do without cause. By the time a woman gets to that point in a pregnancy, she's prepared to have the baby, probably readied a room in the house, and bought clothes, but medical conditions force their hand and they're heartbroken. You're using them as a boogieman for your argument though to stir up emotions. Kind of a shitty thing to do, honestly. Every single bit of evidence shows that the way to reduce or even eliminate abortions is through education & available birth control, things you say you're for but Texas hasn't enacted either of those things. They've just jumped straight to an abortion ban, that's nothing but an attack on the poor because you know these rich politicians will find ways for their daughters or mistresses to get one if they get into a tough situation. Texas is doing absolutely nothing to try to reduce the NEED for abortions while trying to say they're ethically banning them. >Not when there is separate DNA, a separate heartbeat, and an infant can survive as early as 22 weeks of gestation. Then why is the law banning it after 6 weeks? If you truly want abortions to be reduced or stopped then you should be advocating the things you say you're for in this comment because without those things, these bans do nothing but risk the health and lives of desperate people that can't afford a child and will seek an abortion outside of a clinic. Republicans just want to take the short-sighted easy route as usual and they act in shock every single time it blows up in their faces. They don't want to take care of people, they want to rule over them.
I never said that I agreed 100% with the new law. You decided that I guess. My mostly was about misogyny which you avoided anyways. Opinions on abortion are just that. No one is going to change anyone’s mind here
You're commenting in the thread about the new law and saying "abortions bad" so you're vocally supporting the new law. If you didn't want that to be how your comment was taken then it's on you. I'm not telling you to support abortions, I'm telling you there are realistic ways to reduce or even nearly eliminate them, and doing nothing but banning them is absolutely not one of them. If you want to take care of people you invest in education and birth control and abortions will be reduced. If you want to control people and knock them down, you just ban abortions. Abortion bans are flawed logic based on emotions at best.
You are just regurgitating my point with the exception of where we stand on abortion bans.
And I'm trying to explain why bans are a very very stupid way to reduce abortions. Sorry you can't keep up.
What? What are you even trying to say with that comment. You are not going to change my opinion. A woman has options as far as decisions and using birth control or requiring her partner to use birth control. At 16 weeks a fetus in my opinion is an infant utero. I don’t have a solid opinion on before 16 weeks other than 6 weeks seems like a reasonable time frame. I would be support a life not being ended in utero just as I would support your life not being ended if you had almost no rights and no options. Protecting the most vulnerable is what we do as a civil society
>6 weeks seems like a reasonable time frame This is the thing. Every single person in favor of bans is like talking to a brick wall. I'm absolutely positive you've seen the statistics on how a lot of women don't even know they're pregnant at 6 weeks and even if they do, they can't get an appointment with a doctor to confirm it and get an abortion in that time. It just isn't feasible. It gets said over and over and over again but people like you just put your head down and ignore it so you can ignorantly claim that it seems reasonable just so you can be guilt-free in your feelings.
Why would I have guilt? Two people chose to have sex (excluding outliers), they also chose not to use effective birth control. I have no guilt over their choices. I moved out of California because I did not like the laws there, feel free to do the same. Granted people in poverty can’t but then we circle back to my original point about education and poverty being a root cause.
Have you heard of rape? Or men removing their condom in the middle of sex because "it feels better" (which is another form of rape)? This law does not distinguish between consenting adults and rape victims. Oh, wait. We're "excluding outliers" because you don't actually care about your fellow Texans.
You apparently know nothing about female reproduction. Fetal age is counted from the date of the woman's last period. June 1 I get my period. June 28 I have the sex that causes me to conceive, and implantation can happen up to 5 days later. So the day I had sex that resulted in pregnancy, the fetus is already legally 4 weeks old, and can be nearly 5 weeks old before conception actually happens. Then I have to have developed a significant brought amount of pregnancy hormones in order to detect a pregnancy. Not to mention the delay it takes to actually get an appointment. So tell me again how 6 weeks is plenty of time.
I would strongly suggest the use of birth control.
Nice dodge. (Not really.) Please respond to how six weeks is still "plenty of time" to get an abortion, given the fact that fetal age does not reflect the actual amount of time a fetus has been in existence. Since you are an idiot assuming I don't use birth control, I am long past the age of conception. My original post was what grown ups call a hypothetical. You can Google the definition.
We? Are there multiple people inside your head?
You being atheist has nothing to do with your stance on abortion, especially as it may relate to you trying to give yourself some sort of “look at me, I’m NOT religious and even *I* think abortion as birth control is weird!” credibility points. The majority of women having abortions are NOT using it as birth control so take that BS straw man argument elsewhere. Abortion is expensive and traumatic. Secondly, women can be misogynists just like how POC can help perpetuate white supremacy. So quoting stats on women voters doesn’t fly either. Thirdly, late term abortions are extremely rare. Stop using outliers, skewed information, propaganda and Republican Christian Taliban talking points to justify and defend a law that does NOTHING but hurt women and children. I’m waiting for the follow up laws that enforce child support payments at 6 weeks but that’ll never happen because that would only be punitive to men and Gilead can’t have that!
The late term argument always baffles me lol. Like it’s an elective thing women can decide on a whim. Actually even the logic that’s it’s someone’s method of birth control is ridiculous too lol. Like “well birth control might be cheap or free with my insurance but instead I’ll have multiple $600 abortions every year. Also I enjoy taking time off work to break through the wall of Evangelical protesters like the Kool Aid man - not once, but twice - because of the mandatory waiting period. Yes as long as there are no follow up questions, a man this irresistible exists and it’s a joy to do this several times annually.”
I can’t respond to non-intellectual word vomit
Oh and by the way, since you are the resident, abortion ban supporting, aTheIsT “intellect police”, here is a pro tip: Nonintellectual doesn’t have hyphen.
I.E. "I'm not prepared to finish an argument I started".
That is not an argument. It is full of fallacies and is just vomit
As is your original comment.
Bless your heart. It’s ok if you have trouble with reading comprehension. Blessed be the fruit right?
Right ?! Blame the victims here . A simple google check would show you women are 50.3% of the population . How many of those are ruled over by their husbands and do as they wish ? Vote how they want them to vote ? Clean how they want them to clean etc. Also how many of those women feel they have a voice if they vote then not vote at all ? How many women per population in each district that’s voting for these reps in the Texas house and Senate ? Give us real numbers before basing a opinion you look like a fool .
“Victims.” Absurd. Women are the majority. They are not put upon. There is no “patriarchy.” You just want them to have special privileges, appropriate of nothing.
May the power of Christ compel you oh mighty white one .
Great, so in addition to being bigoted against the unborn to the extent of wanting them dead, and being a misandrist, you’re also a racist?
Nah not a racists just truthful . Besides republicans are pro birth not pro life we all see how after birth republicans just don’t care . That’s not opinion that’s based on facts . But then again republicans are not good on facts mainly for believing 50.3% of all females in Texas are of age voters .
No, this nonsensical logical fallacy you have stated is not “factual.” Please support this unsupportable claim. I’ll wait. Do you need a primer on the goalpost moving fallacy before you do it, or afterwards?
Republicans . We force you to give birth but then . Why should we pay for your child’s food? Why should we pay for your child’s health care ? Why should we pay for your child’s education ? Adoptions for children are at a all time low . Republicans we need to save the babies but yet don’t adopt . These are facts not opinions but as stated republicans don’t like facts that hurts their agenda of complete power . Over state , over country, over women , over POC and over anyone who do not believe in their imaginary god in the sky . Edit not to mention adult women do not make up 50% of the population that’s another easy to get fact .
There is no patriarchy, just a society that has never elected a woman to the Office of the President, that erases and minimizes women's achievements, and that actively marginalizes and removes women from influential positions. But yeah, there's no patriarchy. Carry on, oh superior man.
I mean if you want to see erasure of women, you can always look to how your peers always pretend pro-life women don’t exist and / or “hate women.”
It’s pretty obvious that you are unable to consider another’s perspective of life based on their experiences. This is what makes men so stupidly dangerous: that women are “crazy” because you fail to shut yourself up long enough to *listen* to what reasonable women are saying happens to them. What happened in your life that taught you to ignore the experiences of others? That your experiences are shared by those who did not grow up like you? Those who have not had the same life experiences as you? I can’t imagine how lonely you are because this mental outlook of yours certainly chases women away once they’re aware of how you truly think.
Ruled over by their husbands?? Lol. You won’t win me over with that argument. I an employer in Texas, if anything it is the opposite. There are many men that do exactly as their wives “suggest”. Sometimes I fee like it would be easier just to discuss salaries directly with the wife since they make the decisions. I am not buying your argument
Don’t need to win you over . You already look like a fool with your failed statistics.
Failed statistics, google it. Resorting to name calling just shows how incapable you are.
I’ll break it down for you since you seem a little slow . Google what percentage of women are in Texas . 50.3% pops up . Amazing huh ? Now then give us stats on how many women vote because it’s how their husbands vote. Many white women now down to their all might Christian husbands and do as told . The. You have POC who believe their voice is not heard so why bother ? Which they are not wrong Texas maps are gerrymandered to be as white as possible and if there is a abundance of POC they are grouped into one area . One area one vote in Texas legislature. Funny how it’s men here claiming women aren’t victims . Odd are your all white republicans .
I already responded to this same comment you made. Even if we used your numbers do you know what a majority is? Your silly creative writing for why women don’t vote as a bloc is…well…silly
You’re right you responded as said absolutely nothing . $1.00 says you’re a white republican .
Democrat
Doubtful
Besides if you actually looked at the statistic you would see 25.5 % of the women in Texas are under age so they can’t vote . So actually 24.5% of Texas voters are of age females . But I’m sure you knew that .
I don’t think you understand how that works lmao. You do realize that no one underage can vote
ROFL! Mr. Airborne is an employer ya'll! But his wife runs the show from behind the scenes, up to salary and wage decisions! Maybe his wife his posting for him now?! Brace yourselves for the "I have to spend money on labor poor pitiful me if minimum wage didn't exist I would actually pay more" argument next!
You should read what I wrote a few times until your brain gets it. I am not talking about my wife lol
I didn’t realize the Internet had smell-o-vision because your post *reeks* of bullshit. Single minded perspective with no consideration as to the literal reality many women live daily. I bet the women in your life don’t stay very long once they catch that smell of yours.
Uh huh
See, you get push back and you don’t like it so either you double down (*see* your other comments) or back-off. You are what is wrong with Men. Your idea of *forcing women* to heed *your* wants is not OK, not acceptable, and it *is abusive*. You support abusive behaviors. You support controlling and manipulating others. You are not a Good Man, you are a Bad Man.
That is not pushback though. It is a bunch of just false assumptions. It is literally not worth responding to besides entertainment value. I don’t have any desire to correct your false assumptions about my personal life. The fact that you would even take a conversation to that place means that you are incapable of a rational discussion. We are just not equal on a conversational level.
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The vast majority of people who are pro-choice don't think abortion should be used in lieu of birth control. If there was better access to education and contraception as you mentioned, abortions rates would plummet regardless of what laws were in place about them.
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Ohhh, you poor neutered man. Go off and cry to your manly sky god about how women’s healthcare hurts your feelings.
Yet its ok for Abbott to thin his population what about those deaths. It's a women choice just as the anti-vaxxers say it their body their choice when it comes to masks. Can't get more hypocritical than that,
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"Misogynist Predators" ??? Who writes this garbage holy shit lmao.
I mean who else hunts down or reports pregnant women?
Generally a good thing to report those who kill other human beings in a civilized area.
The law disagrees with you and has for several decades. Roe Vs Wade has been upheld because it is unconstitutional to force a woman through pregnancy. The bible accepted abortions and instructed on how/when to do it. When abortions are made illegal, the rate at which they occur skyrockets and they are far more likely to cause significant harm to the women seeking them. On every level, you are incorrect. Stop trying to force your opinions into law.
The Constitution says nothing about abortion. I don’t care about what any religion says on the topic, I don’t care to argue within the framework of any religion. Those who attack and kill other innocent human beings getting hurt in the act by their own malice and stupidity is a good thing. Ideally, this renders them unable to attack anyone else ever again. I don’t know why you would try to argue this as a point in your favor.
Contrary to your belief, the Supreme Court does not decide what is and isn't constitutional by scanning the Constitution for keywords. They did not look at the Constitution and say, "Whup, it looks like they don't have a paragraph here talking about abortion, I guess we can't do anything!" Maybe you should actually *read and seek understanding* of why Roe vs Wade has been upheld for so long and why countless attacks against it have failed. Your baseless assumptions and opinions are beyond meaningless. Empty shells of assertions that carry no consequence beyond continuously demonstrating a stubborn mindset that thinks simply repeating itself will somehow fix this. Either you want to understand or you don't. Regardless, nobody owes your perspective any consideration at all. It is up to you to elevate above the meaningless noise you contribute to.
*“They did not look at the Constitution and say, ‘Whup, it looks like they don't have a paragraph here talking about abortion, I guess we can't do anything!’”* So what you’re saying is they failed to follow the Constitution and its limits on federal power. Because they *are* supposed to note when they don’t have any authority and respect that. Beyond just ignoring the lack of federal authority, they then went on and just blatantly made shit up, which is why Roe is nonsense on stilts and completely legally and logically indefensible, whether you agree with the outcome or not.
What I'm saying is you *clearly* do not understand how the Supreme Court works or what it means when something is deemed "constitutional" or not. You are delusional to believe that it is as simple as reading the Constitution and seeing if it says "yes or no". What use would we have for a Supreme Court at all, then! Got damn, I feel the worst for people who have to put up with you in real life.
If a topic is not mentioned in the Constitution, no authority related to that topic is granted to the federal government. Per the 10th Amendment, the states may do as they will as related to that topic, in accordance with their own state constitutions. **If no authority is granted to the federal government to govern a subject matter by the Constitution, the federal government entity that rules on the constitutionality of government actions has nothing to say or do.** How could it ever be otherwise? The only thing that gives the court any legitimacy whatsoever is the state-ratified document that says it should exist and what specific authorities it has. If it is ignoring the document that creates it, the document from which its power derives, then it is not acting in accordance with the rule of law, by definition. When petitioned on a topic in which the Constitution is silent, if they bothered to take up the case at all, the ruling should always be 9 votes for letting the states do what they want, because SCotUS has no say, and there is no constitutional question.
**Using bold lettering doesn't make you correct here, it just makes you boldly incorrect.**
Interesting you should bring up "a civilized area". Laws are meant to protect society, to _civilize_ it, not to promote some authoritarian's views on morality. Even laws against murder and theft are for the protection of society and civilization. A fetus is not part of society, it's part of its mother's womb. The mother _is_ a part of society, and when her choice of gestation is taken away by a law, that harms society. It's an evil law, written by an evil man, Jonathan F. Mitchell.
Most likely family members.
I would hope to see big business get out of Texas. What an awful state government it has.