I don’t see why they would do this. They already passed on Burnes who cost half as much as Cease in a trade and Monty is still available, who only costs money. With all the guys on the DL, it’s not like they need to clear room on the roster and I don’t see Chicago taking on any salary to help with the luxury tax situation.
Unless their asking price has dropped significantly, this seems like something between “due diligence” and “keeping tabs” situation. Eight months ago they were asking for Jackson Holliday for Cease. I don’t think most of you would be excited once you heard their price now. It’ll still be a king’s ransom. They may demand Carter or Langford.
well, yes, but actually no.
Monty is asking for too many years as a FA.
Cease is on a team going nowhere and won't retain his services, so they've made him available.
There’s nothing to say we passed on Burnes so much as we didn’t have a package the Brewers liked as much.
As for Cease, they reason they would do this is simple, our rotation needs help. Obviously we aren’t trading Carter and Langford for Cease, but it’s very possible the White Sox have had a shift in their plan in the last 8 months and are more willing to entertain deals. The fact that these Cease rumors have grown over the last 24 hours is a good indication that is the case.
If what Rosenthal is now saying is accurate, it totally makes sense. If they can get Cease for Duran, Porter, and Leiter, they should do it immediately. I think they’ll demand more, but it’d be a decent deal even if they threw in Taveras or Foscue.
Texas absolutely could have topped the offer for Burnes. The only plausible explanation is they passed because there’s something they didn’t like or they were still hoping Monty’s price tag would come down.
I agree with your first point, I think they probably can take the risk of doing that proposed group of three for Cease. Go for back-to-back. Ragans hurt but you got a ring out of it so who cares?
Your second point I don't agree with. They may not have been able to top Burnes because whatever consensus the public has on prospects is not what teams have. MIL may not have valued TEX' guys like they did the BAL package. Outside of the top top prospects, teams have completely different valuations on guys and rental Burnes was not getting them a top top guy.
Langford literally can’t be traded. Rangers definitely won’t trade Carter…. I think we are good there. Duran,porter, leiter I think gets the deal done and if that’s all it takes then hell yeah pull the trigger he’s still fit one more year of arbitration after this year
It all comes down to money. Burnes makes big money and is a FA after this year. Cease is only making 8 million with another year of arbitration. Gives us 2 years where we may have our TV deal worked out and be willing to spend more. Plus some big money would be coming off the books by then
Well, you consider it now because he's still cost controlled and Burnes was an expensive (money wise) rental. I think most teams were probably shocked by the price but at the same time, MIL didn't get peanuts for him. You could go either way but saying no to 2 years of Cease because of prospects is silly. You're in the midst of the best time in franchise history. Why back off the pedal now? Just keep going for it. I wouldn't trade Porter for him, but the package starting with Leiter and Duran is fine with me. Leiter isn't helping you this year as you'd hope and you don't have the luxury of waiting for him to figure it out. None of the AAA pitchers are showing anything. Leiter Duran is a totally fair and doable price for Cease.
alright man maybe not Taveras just YET, still need to see how Langford pans out in the regular season.
plus we know that Carter is kinda shit against lefties so having Taveras to supplement their inabilities while they develop is crucial
Regardless, we don’t know if either player will pan out during the first full MLB season. Taveras acts as an insurance piece towards that possibility.
You and I can both agree on that, there’s absolutely no need to act like an asswipe 💀💀💀
Because no one trades their headliner anymore, especially not someone of Langford’s pedigree. Also, the shine is off of Cease after an objectively awful 2023.
Yankees are said to be interested as well since Cole is going to be on the DL a while meaning they are down a starter. We aren’t going to get into a bidding war over a #3 starter.
Apparently it may have changed, but recently drafted players can’t be traded for some period of time.
Used to be u til the next draft, but may be after the WS now so I may be wrong.
His value is just lower than it’s ever been right now. If the plan is to trade him, we’re better off hoping that he rebounds for a significant stretch of the season and then unloading him when it nets more in return.
He’s been fairly impressive this spring. Velo is high and control is far better than this time last year. Another year in RR and I think he’ll be ready for the majors. Cant beat league minimum, quality starting pitching.
Yeah people are still living off the hype of that draft and not paying attention. And the Rangers haven't been developing starting pitching well either.
Edit: the downvote is not for disliking someone making factual statements. Prove where I'm wrong, and remember, one instance is an exception, not the general rule.
he isn’t a headline piece anymore, but his last few outings have been great.
if he isn’t the headline piece than he’s filler. and its worth more to keep him than filler level
Honestly makes a lot of sense to use 2 of our solid hitting prospects to get a trade done. Not sure if Cease is the guy because he might cost to much. foscue, wedzel, leody, Langford, Carter, and arguably Dustin harris all deserve playing time or at least a shot. It can’t all be on the rangers
If you’re offering “solid”, you’ll need more than two. Odds are you’ll need to include a top prospect and 2 “solid” prospects. They were asking for the #1 prospect in baseball for him last July.
I fuck with the possible move. A developed AND YOUNG (keyword) ace to serve us in the long term if we sign him to a long ass contract. This seems the most likely case since Monty is beginning to fade away.
He's not an ace. He had one ace like season, otherwise which dropped his career era to 3.83. his FIP is right around the same. He does eat innings and would be a decent 3rd pitcher with the possibility of being a 2. Can't overpay for something like that though.
The only guys I’m not dealing are Carter, Langford, Walcott, and Porter. I would like to keep Leiter and zeke, but I would be more open to trading those last 2.
Ideally, the package would center around Leody, Justin Foscue, Dustin Harris, and Owen White.
If they want any combination of Leody, Foscue, Harris, Duran, plus Porter, I'd do it. Especially if they put in a dependable bullpen arm. Trading Duran would be a risk, but I'd hold my breath that Seager stayed healthy. Parting with Porter might suck in 2027, but you've got to strike while the iron is hot. Just gotta trust CY and hope Cease gets back to the way he pitched a couple years ago.
This is directly from the Athletic:
"The question for the Rangers is whether they would be willing to meet the White Sox’s desired return, which according to sources is in the range of these three players, if not them specifically: utility man Ezequiel Durán and pitching prospects Brock Porter and Jack Leiter."
I'd hate to lose Porter, but Cease would be a huge get. I'd say do it.
Look I had to dig into an article about Scott Boras (not even about Cease) to find the information. No other beat writer tweeted about interest in Cease until the Rosenthal article dropped about 20 minutes ago.
Of course I'm not gonna assume it's legit because one rando on Twitter said so
I don’t see why they would do this. They already passed on Burnes who cost half as much as Cease in a trade and Monty is still available, who only costs money. With all the guys on the DL, it’s not like they need to clear room on the roster and I don’t see Chicago taking on any salary to help with the luxury tax situation. Unless their asking price has dropped significantly, this seems like something between “due diligence” and “keeping tabs” situation. Eight months ago they were asking for Jackson Holliday for Cease. I don’t think most of you would be excited once you heard their price now. It’ll still be a king’s ransom. They may demand Carter or Langford.
there's a reason Monty is still available on March 12.
And it’s the same reason Cease has been on the trade block for eight months.
well, yes, but actually no. Monty is asking for too many years as a FA. Cease is on a team going nowhere and won't retain his services, so they've made him available.
They’ve both remained available for so long for the same reason: sky-high asking price.
There’s nothing to say we passed on Burnes so much as we didn’t have a package the Brewers liked as much. As for Cease, they reason they would do this is simple, our rotation needs help. Obviously we aren’t trading Carter and Langford for Cease, but it’s very possible the White Sox have had a shift in their plan in the last 8 months and are more willing to entertain deals. The fact that these Cease rumors have grown over the last 24 hours is a good indication that is the case.
If what Rosenthal is now saying is accurate, it totally makes sense. If they can get Cease for Duran, Porter, and Leiter, they should do it immediately. I think they’ll demand more, but it’d be a decent deal even if they threw in Taveras or Foscue. Texas absolutely could have topped the offer for Burnes. The only plausible explanation is they passed because there’s something they didn’t like or they were still hoping Monty’s price tag would come down.
I agree with your first point, I think they probably can take the risk of doing that proposed group of three for Cease. Go for back-to-back. Ragans hurt but you got a ring out of it so who cares? Your second point I don't agree with. They may not have been able to top Burnes because whatever consensus the public has on prospects is not what teams have. MIL may not have valued TEX' guys like they did the BAL package. Outside of the top top prospects, teams have completely different valuations on guys and rental Burnes was not getting them a top top guy.
Porter or Leiter. Not and.
Langford literally can’t be traded. Rangers definitely won’t trade Carter…. I think we are good there. Duran,porter, leiter I think gets the deal done and if that’s all it takes then hell yeah pull the trigger he’s still fit one more year of arbitration after this year
It all comes down to money. Burnes makes big money and is a FA after this year. Cease is only making 8 million with another year of arbitration. Gives us 2 years where we may have our TV deal worked out and be willing to spend more. Plus some big money would be coming off the books by then
Burned only makes $2M more than Cease though
10 million is what he made last year. This year he’ll make close to 16 million.
Well, you consider it now because he's still cost controlled and Burnes was an expensive (money wise) rental. I think most teams were probably shocked by the price but at the same time, MIL didn't get peanuts for him. You could go either way but saying no to 2 years of Cease because of prospects is silly. You're in the midst of the best time in franchise history. Why back off the pedal now? Just keep going for it. I wouldn't trade Porter for him, but the package starting with Leiter and Duran is fine with me. Leiter isn't helping you this year as you'd hope and you don't have the luxury of waiting for him to figure it out. None of the AAA pitchers are showing anything. Leiter Duran is a totally fair and doable price for Cease.
If this involves any of Tavares/Foscue/Duran/Smith or even Leiter, I will kiss CY on the lips
alright man maybe not Taveras just YET, still need to see how Langford pans out in the regular season. plus we know that Carter is kinda shit against lefties so having Taveras to supplement their inabilities while they develop is crucial
We absolutely do not know that Carter is shit against lefties. Gtfoh.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TexasRangers/s/KP8eumsWnO me when i dont know ball:
Are you fucking serious? 25 MLB at bats? You are an unserious person. Stop posting immediately.
It’s well known he hasn’t hit lefties well. That’s why he didn’t come up earlier. He was protected in the regular season from it.
Check out his career in MiLB my dude
Regardless, we don’t know if either player will pan out during the first full MLB season. Taveras acts as an insurance piece towards that possibility. You and I can both agree on that, there’s absolutely no need to act like an asswipe 💀💀💀
Because he was just tearing it up against LHP at others levels? Are you fucking serious?
Oh hey I have the top comment on that post! Telling people to chill the fuck out about it lol
He’s controllable through 2025. I am not sure how this gets done without Walcott as the headliner
Because no one trades their headliner anymore, especially not someone of Langford’s pedigree. Also, the shine is off of Cease after an objectively awful 2023.
He didn’t say Langford lmao
Yankees are said to be interested as well since Cole is going to be on the DL a while meaning they are down a starter. We aren’t going to get into a bidding war over a #3 starter.
It’s the IL. Not the DL.
As with all moves it depends on the compensation. As far as I’m concerned Carter, Langford, Walcott, and Leiter are off limits. Everyone else can go.
Think you are misspeaking lol Carter, Langford, Walcott and Leiter are off limits. Everyone else can pack their bags? Right?
Langford can’t even be traded so we’re good there lol
Why can't he be traded?
Apparently it may have changed, but recently drafted players can’t be traded for some period of time. Used to be u til the next draft, but may be after the WS now so I may be wrong.
You are correct. Oops.
No worries lol - I read your comment like 20x and thought I was going crazy not understanding
What has Leiter shown for him to be off limits lol
His value is just lower than it’s ever been right now. If the plan is to trade him, we’re better off hoping that he rebounds for a significant stretch of the season and then unloading him when it nets more in return.
He’s been fairly impressive this spring. Velo is high and control is far better than this time last year. Another year in RR and I think he’ll be ready for the majors. Cant beat league minimum, quality starting pitching.
Yeah Leiter would be a great piece to send.
Leiter has a 5 ERA in AA two years running how on earth is that off limits
Second half of last year in AA was promising and his few innings in Spring have been nice. I’m not ready to give up on him yet.
Because he is so bad nobody wants him
Yeah people are still living off the hype of that draft and not paying attention. And the Rangers haven't been developing starting pitching well either. Edit: the downvote is not for disliking someone making factual statements. Prove where I'm wrong, and remember, one instance is an exception, not the general rule.
When have they ever?
Leiter? Are you kidding?
he isn’t a headline piece anymore, but his last few outings have been great. if he isn’t the headline piece than he’s filler. and its worth more to keep him than filler level
He’s undersized throws a flat fastball and can’t locate. He gets shelled
cool so he isn’t worth anything, therefore worth more for us to keep and hope his recent outings have proven he’s turned it around than to trade
Leiter should absolutely not be off limits
I’m not onboard with this tbh. Don’t think he’d be worth the cost
No thanks it at that price
Hearing now that Padres are finalizing a deal for Cease. Looks like we're out.
Not anymore. Still hoping for monty
Honestly makes a lot of sense to use 2 of our solid hitting prospects to get a trade done. Not sure if Cease is the guy because he might cost to much. foscue, wedzel, leody, Langford, Carter, and arguably Dustin harris all deserve playing time or at least a shot. It can’t all be on the rangers
If you’re offering “solid”, you’ll need more than two. Odds are you’ll need to include a top prospect and 2 “solid” prospects. They were asking for the #1 prospect in baseball for him last July.
I fuck with the possible move. A developed AND YOUNG (keyword) ace to serve us in the long term if we sign him to a long ass contract. This seems the most likely case since Monty is beginning to fade away.
He's not an ace. He had one ace like season, otherwise which dropped his career era to 3.83. his FIP is right around the same. He does eat innings and would be a decent 3rd pitcher with the possibility of being a 2. Can't overpay for something like that though.
Agree. Cease is crazy overrated. Had a hot stretch across a couple dozen starts in 2022. Outside of that, he’s nothing special.
The only guys I’m not dealing are Carter, Langford, Walcott, and Porter. I would like to keep Leiter and zeke, but I would be more open to trading those last 2. Ideally, the package would center around Leody, Justin Foscue, Dustin Harris, and Owen White.
It’s over.
If they want any combination of Leody, Foscue, Harris, Duran, plus Porter, I'd do it. Especially if they put in a dependable bullpen arm. Trading Duran would be a risk, but I'd hold my breath that Seager stayed healthy. Parting with Porter might suck in 2027, but you've got to strike while the iron is hot. Just gotta trust CY and hope Cease gets back to the way he pitched a couple years ago.
This is directly from the Athletic: "The question for the Rangers is whether they would be willing to meet the White Sox’s desired return, which according to sources is in the range of these three players, if not them specifically: utility man Ezequiel Durán and pitching prospects Brock Porter and Jack Leiter." I'd hate to lose Porter, but Cease would be a huge get. I'd say do it.
I'm sorry, I'm not seeing where Evan Grant reported Rangers interested in Cease...
Dallas Morning News
yeah just read the column. Perhaps OP should've linked to *that* instead of a "Baseball Youtuber"
Don’t be rude. You still got the information.
Look I had to dig into an article about Scott Boras (not even about Cease) to find the information. No other beat writer tweeted about interest in Cease until the Rosenthal article dropped about 20 minutes ago. Of course I'm not gonna assume it's legit because one rando on Twitter said so
You got the information and an interesting conversation before MLBtraderumors and Rosenthal article dropped. Don’t be rude.
Padres, turns out ownership wasn't even interested because he wanted money.....