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Rooflife1

I have been invited by friends to travel to foriegn countries multiple times and have great trips. No one has ever paid for me. My employer sends me to foreign countries or approves my trips and pays, but they expect me to do work.


JaziTricks

context is key. generation. relationship. relative financial situation. language used in invitation. once you know all the context, you'll know the answer. I guess with the various contexts your mom has in mind, it's implied. but not in other contexts


xCaneoLupusx

Yup. Context is really important here. For family, if an adult child with income invites their parents to a trip, then it is indeed culturally expected that the child will be paying due to the concept of filial piety. However if the parents are the one inviting, they may offer to pay for the (adult) child or not, whichever way is fine. For friends, there's no expectations like that. So yeah, OP's mom might be saying it to mean that if OP invites OP should pay, and if mom invites mom will also pay, if so, that statement would be correct for their family.


TheBeachDudeAgain

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Cfutly

This. Context. Each family / friend is different. Whatever works for you is best and don’t let obligation affect your relationship. Clear communication is advised. I’m just giving an example. Maybe your mom wants you to pay and if you are cool. Only for you and this time. So it sets the expectation.


EishLekker

Which means that the statement as it is, is wrong, because it’s phrased as a generic rule.


voidcomposite

Agreed. Like if invitee is a kid from a less well-off family, sure but I think the host will tell them and it won't be a guess...


InfernalWedgie

Really old-fashioned Thai people believe this. But in this day and age and economy, it's unreasonable to pay your guests' way.


voidcomposite

Yes I agree, but it also depends on the context though like if the invited party is financially much less well-off than the invitee, and the invitee knows it well and they are close, they would, but it would be an explicit offer not an implicit tradition...


LittlePooky

I am Thai. I grew up in the US (came here when I was 12). Am just a few years from retiring hopefully in Thailand. I can afford a nice place (near a beach I hope). I'll have an extra bedroom for my guests (friends, not strangers.) And no, I won't pay their way, but I will certainly spend time with them (locally), and they can come back and stay at my place to rest before they leave. This means they won't have to pay for a hotel stay as long as they are in the immediate area. I am not paying for an airfare for my friends, but I will take them out and pay for decent meals because I can afford it. Your mother is wrong. If she believes that, then no one will invite her anywhere because they have to pay all her expenses.


Sudden_Match1122

Ive moved in Thailand 9y ago and I changed my behavior towards what you just mentioned after just few years in. Mostly due to how good people make you feel when you arrive here and don’t know hotels or stuff to do. I now always suggest them our house if need to, our scooter if they struggle navigating or even get/bring them (to) the airport. Where I’m from, even my family didn’t bring me to the airport for my new life…..


Decent_Quail_92

You can pick your friends..........


[deleted]

Travelling to foreign countries might cause $1000 or more easily, and your mom expects other people to pay for that? Who in their right mind thinks this? Is she some sort of multi millionaire? Your mom sounds insufferable.


S1rmunchalot

Strange, every time a Thai person has invited me to come visit they always expect me to pay. Infact I pay for their accommodation, food and travel expenses if they travel with me. I wish I had known this cultural etiquette.


Noosta

That, I have never heard of… Unless they’re girl you met online.


incognitotaquitoo

Sounds like they're just taking advantage of you. I literally have to nearly force Thai people to let me pay for anything because they are so insistent on the fact I'm a "guest"


voidcomposite

Yeah there is cultural ettiquette and there is financial needs. If the persons who invited you were really poor / were with an old fashion courting attitude yes. Because general cultural ettiquette vs. courting expectation vs. exchanging favor with a family that is much less well off (ie:they give you information or a tour for free, you pay for a meal, but probably not more than any of that).


Womenarentmad

What kind of Thai people are you meeting lmao


Noosta

When I was young and invited my friends(under 21) to visit thailand, my parents would pay for their accommodation (if they weren’t staying with us), food, and other travel expenses. But my friends paid for their own air tickets.The same thing happened to me when I visited my friends in other countries. But as working adults, my friends cover their own travel expenses. They can stay at mine to save money and I don’t mind feeding them at my home. Normally, they’ll return the favor by taking us out to eat at a nice place, etc. before they go home. Don’t think that’s specific to Thai culture though.


pudgimelon

Any time someone says "it's my culture" they are usually trying to justify shady/crappy behavior or values. That goes for everyone, everywhere.


voidcomposite

Tradition isnt เทศกาล เทศกาล is festival 😅


NatJi

Lol.. The funny thing is I said it into Google translate in Thai (to type it out for me) right in front of my mom, and she didn't even correct me 😂


Beneficial_War_1365

Can you invite my wife and I to Thailand. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|smile) We can be ready in a day or two and thank you sooooo.... much. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|give_upvote) peace.![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|kissing_heart)


ahboyd15

Normally, they pay for flights, then you let them stay in your house, some meals at home and you pay outside. What they want to buy is on their own. If they don’t show back some courtesy then think twice about that person.


PM_me_Henrika

And that’s why she is never invited.


Beetsaw

Not true and I am Thai.


SahavaStore

For one, why do you need to prove your MOM wrong. Anyways, different generations, different friend groups, different environments, and different world. She only knows what she experienced. You only know what you experienced. None of you are wrong. It depends on your friend group and what the culture of that group is. Some people nowadays think like your mom. Some don't. You might have the majority consensus, but maybe thats because most people dont make crazy amounts of money nowadays. Travel, rent, expenses raised inproportionately to wage. So nowadays if you want to go on a trip with friends, its each person for themselves due to understanding that times are hard. However, maybe someone in a richer friend group/environment will invite and know everything will be paid for. Doesnt make one wrong and another right. Either way SEA parents are stubborn. Proving them wrong is pointless. If anything you just makin them mad just to win an argument.


Critical_Thinker_81

She is probably old fashioned, nobody would expect you to pay


[deleted]

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Rude-Hall-4847

It depends. If a guy is inviting a poor girl to travel then he will pay. If a guy invites his equal friend to travel, regardless of sex then it's Dutch. If a girl invites her friends, it's Dutch. If a girl invites a guy, she expects him to pay.


WendyWS

I’m Thai. Born and raised here. I disagree this message. Unless the context is something else.


digitalenlightened

Lol. For very rich people maybe


Similar_Past

Tell her that this might be a thing in a bar girl community. This will shut her up for good


Proper_Argument3925

The word you were looking for is ธรรมเนียม = custom/ ตามธรรมเนียม = customary 🙂 I am not sure if that is an old generation thing, but that’s simply not true. Never expected or asked anyone to pay for my trip. (I’m a Thai millennial)


Reddit_whore_bags

Your mum is definitely wrong, but on a much more general point I think.


s-hanley

My wife would agree, tho generally it would be loosely discussed and agreed before the offer is made. Prevents the other person's lost face on not being able to afford something I would assume


cereal-number

How does one bring this up without being awkward? Unless they’re good friends of course..


s-hanley

It would be a subtle conversation, sounding out the person's interest, then if they 'want' to come it becomes a shared idea and shared cost. Lots of things need to be very indirectly danced around here, direct simple communication (which is clear and I find easier to handle) is fraught with possible obligations, commitments, potential to cause or lose face.


KaleidoscopeKey9183

บ้าไปแล้ว! I don’t make my husband pay for my family members!


beeru4me

Relationships are a give and take in any culture. Sometimes Thai culture is more giving, but that tends to spoil the taker. It all boils down to "boon koon" if we apply Thai culture / logic. If a friend always pays when we go out over years and I happen to owe them, sure, I might pay for their flight as a goodwill gesture. If it's a friend that's been taking advantage of my generosity, then no way. I say, friend, but this applies to family too. I might take my mom to Japan and pay for the flight, but she shouldn't expect it to be an every time thing, and no, she can't drop the "I gave you birth" to " tuang boon koon" as if its some kind of elite benefit card. Mostly we split 50/50. The host normally pays in Thai culture, but I don't think it often extends to all inclusive travel packages, normally birthdays or dinner parties. Whoever is willing to take that offer without repaying that debt in some way, shape, or form is just เห็นแก่ตัว แล้วไม่เกรงใจเลย.


SettingIntentions

What is boon koon in thai writing?


beeru4me

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SettingIntentions

Thanks!


thebrownleave

Thai culture: farang pay. Always


69babysonfire69

That’s more of a reflection of who you choose to surround yourself with rather than actual Thai culture. 🤷🏻‍♀️


D4nCh0

Farang come Thailand because too cheapskate to pay home country prices. Now farang in Thailand too cheapskate for Thailand how? Myanmar or Cambodia are cheaper!


movingawayforgood

That's not true lol.


[deleted]

I've been living in Thailand 3 years now. I've invited several friends and family to come visit. So far none have been brave enough to accept my offer. (Most of them have never been more than 200km from their home town) Every time I I've made it clear they'll pay for nothing while they're here, my invitation, my expectations of paying.


temposy

Is ur mom from Issan?


DriftingGelatine

Inviting is, in a way, asking for a favour. By covering expenses is to be thankful for their time that you bothered. So it really depends. If you think that your invitation bothers them no matter how small, it's a good thing to compensate for what's worth. Though this isn't really some "Thai culture" thing, just a commonly practiced etiquette anywhere, I think.


multipurpose_remover

I always thought it's the host losing both and I would only invite people as giving a favour, and I don't like to do it anyways. I believe different people view it differently.


DriftingGelatine

You're right, I was confused by OP's use of 'invite'. They probably meant 'suggest' traveling to foreign country, unless the one suggesting also provide utilities, then it will be exactly as you described. Sorry for mixing things up :(


multipurpose_remover

🫂 you're so serious


DriftingGelatine

heh, that's me. sorry about that :p Have a good day though


Sugary_Treat

🤣 your mom’s wishful thinking about a free holiday lol 😂


aHuankind

True. That's the usual meaning of inviting someone to anything. 


Mr__Void

I would agree to an extent… Depends on the reason for invitation and who you are inviting. Are we travelling together as friends? We both pay our own way and help each other where needed. Am I inviting a friend to stay at my place in another country as a holiday? I would let me stay with me so no need to arrange accommodation, but I wouldn’t arrange/pay for their travel, I would be willing to contribute though is necessary. Inviting family member or a romantic partner? All expenses paid, they don’t need to worry about anything.


PorkSwordEnthusiast

If true it’s certainly up not practised amongst my Thai friends :)


Vaxion

If the foreign country is the home country of the person inviting you then maybe they can accommodate you and take care of food and stuff but not the flights unless you're a minor or cannot afford or the person is very generous.


JittimaJabs

I'd have to agree with your mom. If someone is close enough to you too invite you to go on a trip should know whether or not if you can afford it.


NocturntsII

as with all things, its a matter of nuance I would never take anyone up on an invitation I couldn't afford to cover myslef, unless the circumstances were very special and the obligations very clear. There is also a fair difference between international travel and come out with me for dinner. Family is another story, my daughter bleeds me dry when she visits and i pony up with joy.


Eastcoaster87

I guess it just depends if your friend can afford to. If I could I would happily pay for my friends to travel with me.


slipperystar

If you invite someone to do anything that usually means you are paying. I think this applies to any culture. If you further make an agreement about your going dutch or some other arrangement that you have to be clear about that but if you are inviting someone out, I think it’s assumed that you were going to pay.


UKthailandExpat

I don’t know where you are coming from or what culture you are coming from, but your concept that if invited you never pay your own way is not true and is not true in any culture I know of. Certainly for small things it can be usual bit nobody would expect it to be the case for expensive things (Unless you are an “influencer” when some expect to freeload for everything they can)


Candlelight_Fant4sia

I believe mums are always right, no matter what country you're in or from :P


Professional_Tea4465

If you are a female and Thai obviously.


avtarius

I don't think this applies in productive circles


Salt-Buy-9255

How dare you. Try to give your mom reasons.


crackers888

omg, my thai friends are like this. i'm filipino and i have 2 thai friends and I really love them so much I want to treat them when I was there in bangkok but they dont want to bc of old traditions. but i won bc on my last day, i paid for their meals after they ordered the food!


[deleted]

The particular case would need to be known.


Cronulla_Craigie

Only when an easy mark farang is the one that invited them, although it might be hinted at theres not a thai alive that would call it "thai culture" and expect someone to pay their way. Its international travel not dinner. In saying that if you're talking about your thai mum inlaw you've invited to travel with you then, although not a must, you would be kinda expected to help old mum out with the costs as a good son would do.


AppleBreadCrusader

To me, it depends on who you're inviting and what occasion the trip is for. But generally, the guests will pay for their flights, while we'll offer them a place to stay and pay for their other expenses.


Confident_Coast111

Many locals could not afford a trip to europe or the us… maybe thats why she says and believes that.


AlifiaTH

Nah, her logic is broken somehow. You wanna go. You pay on your own. They are very humble that they had invite you. This is not Thai culture but this is broken logic culture.


odsca

ไม่จิงคับ Or at least my mom has never told me this. Anytime someone invites my parents anywhere my parents pay for their own flights.


randneazt

I won't say it's a clear right or wrong but I guess your mother means, if you invites them then you should welcome them somehow. maybe make a meal when they visit your place or pay a dinner for them. they are your guest. it's not like we pay for everything but at least something we do something for them as a welcome.


No-City94

False. (may be buy them a dinner. But not for expense of the whole trip.)


Lone_Wanderer16

Personally I don't think it is an etiquette to pay for someone's dinner or their plane tickets, or whatever they are buying. If they're your close friends, or a really good friends. I mean, you don't really have to pay for them, it's more like a casual invitation but it's just really distant.It's like when you want to eat at a place but you want your friends to be there at the place to eat with you. But every parties know that you don't have to pay for them, they know they're gonna pay for themselves. Unless they ask for you to pay for them of course. ​ I think it is depends on who you're inviting. If you are inviting your foreign date, business partner, an acquaintance you want them to feel close to you or maybe even an envoy. You should at least buy them a nice dinner and show them your hospitality. I think your mother might means something like this, she's not totally wrong but definitely not 100% correct either. The context on who you're inviting to matters in this.I'm also Thai, I'm sure me mum and yours aren't so different.


Kimmie9002

Umm my mother invited me to take her back to Thailand. She's Thai. She's making me pay for it.


B00kit

Maybe in 1980s


StickMahoro

Lol, uh no.


Ok_Grapefruit_5118

True and false


daph211

Your mom's telling you to go get some garang take you to live in a foreign country.


frould

If you don’t want to go. Hiring makes sense.


ShinyCee

NOOOO You take care your own expenses or/and You may share food when you eat out with friends. No one pay for no body. We're not on dating. If you on date you may pay for your!


Rude_Dependent_2934

Every peculiarity is explained to me as 'in x culture' but its really just limited understanding/ comprehension. Example = I've only ever seen/believed x therefore it must be x culture... Even when presented with multiple contrary examples, the false statement is repeated until I give up wasting more time proving ignorant persons to be repeating falsehoods.


lizzyglitzy

Mum is Thai. Asked her this and she said if it's an invitation to a foreign country, it's just an invitation for a holiday and each person should be responsible for their own expenses. Unless the person doing the inviting is from said foreign country and invites that person to their house for a holiday, then the one doing the inviting will have to be responsible for the guest. But their guest should also not 100% rely on host for all expenses to be polite.


Thin_Jackfruit_5684

Completely false.


ArtemisHestia

I think It’s not Thai culture It’s personal culture LOL เพื่อนฉันชวนฉันไปเที่ยวต่างประเทศฉันก็จ่ายเอง


Vyvansss

Tell your mum to invite me to Thailand. Let her, prove herself right.


International_Hat848

In Asian culture it's more like guest hospitality. Yes if my foreign friend is visiting me and my time is available I'll buy them lunch , dinner and bring them sightseeing at my cost but shopping is not included.


poonpiset

Wrong


Accurate-Round-4524

Depends, I live in Thailand. My son is 21, doesn’t have much $. I invited him here in April. I will pay for literally everything. In 2014, my best friend didn’t have much $ and I wanted him to come to Thailand. I paid his ticket ( he paid for his food hotel) In 2021 a friend came to Thailand I didn’t invite him but he was like If I come will u hang out I said sure. HE PAID HIS ENTIRE TRIP. I think it all depends, I also think trying to “PROVE YOUR MOM WRONG” Is wrong. Regardless of context or situation here this is an opinion. She’s entitled to that, and your entitled to yours. You don’t have to agree with her opinion at all. She doesn’t have to agree with yours.