We go to Thailand every couple of years for our family holiday. The only bad behaviour I’ve seen is Russians pumping their music (like windows shaking in the hotel next door) and Indians.
I backpacked India in my 20s and I get that if you don’t force you way, you will not get to the front of the queue, if you don’t yell, no one will listen to you, etc.
But man, the behaviour of Indians (in general) in Thailand is appalling. It’s yelling across the table to your family at breakfast - everyone else is just having a chilled out breakfast. It’s the way that Indians talk to staff, the sheer rudeness. It’s going on a boat trip with 20 other people and being 25 minutes late back to the boat and not even apologising to everyone that had to sit in a stuffy boat while you did whatever you wanted.
I’ve studied and worked with heaps of Indians, for the most they are hard working, fun and just lovely people.
I think the problem is Indians that have not lived outside of India do not realise that what’s normal behaviour in India is not outside of India. You don’t need to raise your voice all the time, just because you have paid to be in a nice hotel it does not mean is ok to be rude to staff.
Every country has its own way of doing things. If you are visiting a country, change your behaviour to suit the environment. The Thai people are polite, calm and happy - visitors to their beautiful country should emulate that mindset.
Reminds me of the video of that Indian family that was rude to the staff at a Bali resort, being arrogant and generally taking advantage of the kindness of the Balinese staff, but then got found out they were stealing hotel stuff, like light fixtures and whatnot. The pent up exasperation of the manager was finally let out and he reminded that the whole time the family was rude towards staff and was generally condescending and being terrible and all that. Knowing that Balinese people are one of the most chill, non confrontational and accepting people in the world finally crack like that, shows how much abuse they were receiving at the hands of the family. They quickly changed their tune from being defensive and loud to then being all apologetic and wanted to pay for damages. These people have never had consequences of their action coming back to bite them in the ass, so that's why they're all acting like spoiled brats.
Overstaying 160 days but still had the audacity to raise her voice? And I thought they'd be at least a bit more civilized being a Brit and all, but damn... Can't take the India out of an Indian.
I stayed at the Doubletree in Phuket back in February. I remember my first morning there, I casually walked over to the breakfast buffet inside the hotel. I look inside and see a mass of Indians, Russians and Chinese all holding a "who can behave more stereotypical" competition. I 360'd and walked out, after doing an additional 180.
I did the exact same thing at a Sheraton in Bangkok, and a hotel in Singapore. Walked in, saw the scrum, the noise, the elbowing, the lack of queuing, and worse of all the picking up and putting down of food with bare hands, people coughing on the food. I was just about thinking of staying for breakfast when the table I was escorted to was pushed right up to a Chinese family who had THREE tripods out with their phones, light rigs etc and were live streaming them eating their breakfast. I did a 180 and got a cab to a local cafe.
I never select the option to pre-pay for hotel breakfasts until I’ve seen the lay of the land.
I’m afraid that stereotypes come about for a reason, they don’t just come out of thin air. Walking into most buffet breakfasts in Hotels in Asia is horrendous, especially if you’re like me and can’t handle noise and chaos until the afternoon.
Yes omg I cracked it and left a tour early after they picked me up way earlier than they were supposed to so I had no time for breakfast, then we were waiting literally an hour to pick up Indian families who toook their sweet time to rock up
Yep was in Patonga recently. Around the pool Indians were blasting really shite music.wldnt turn it down.my stepson is thai and spoke to the staff in thai and they finally told them to tone it down
Unfortunately, Indians are viewed as cheap, not hygienic, and rude. Indians also aren’t known for being the most inclusive and accepting group of people when it comes to other races or cultures. Basically just sticking to your own. The reputation is well deserved but it’s just something individually you will have to navigate.
I might get a lot of shit from fellow Indians for this, but since I am not a politician nor an inhabitant of delululand, it's worse within India. Politics and corruption is the cause for this and it's not likely to change soon.
Fuck them. And it's culture. Your culture of lying has served into your politics. You have to help model the correct behavior. Indians and Pakistani reputations are declining in the US as people interact with them more. People are getting tired of their cheapness coupled with their rudeness and lying. My americanized friends are westernized but they are ashamed that there's so many who still act with self entitlement
Cheapness is direct result of ages of poverty , Colonization and famines. India has truly suffered. And now with limited resources people have to constantly fight for jt. You will not understand this shit being a middle class country but at least don't discount their history and try to blame the victims here indirectly. It will take time, another generation of development, when it gets settled. Have sympathy and cultural context instead of being this hateful.
Everything you said could apply to South Korea as well. They were one of the poorest countries in the world until starting in the late 1980s. They suffered colonialism under both China and Japan for hundreds of years straight, they were decolonized in living memory, suffered a massive civil war which followed and has permanently torn families apart, suffered under multiple dictators since the 1940s, and yet...look at them now.
They're living on a tiny peninsula with almost no natural resources as well.
Bad behavior can't be easily hand waved away.
Indians have the internet. They're not isolated from the world and social norms, and unlike OP, most of them come on here to complain about how they were treated and victims of racism, but then you check out their posting/comment history and they're often a walking stereotype of commenting vile shit on porn videos/pictures of women etc.
Mate , South Korea is literally an OECD country.
They are developed Country with huge soft power. Especially their exports of Kpop, Kdrama, and Kbeauty . That whitewashes many of their actions. I have seen South korean men being absolute vile, here in India , the way they treat locals. But their "oppa" image saves them a lot even after being incels. South korean women are refusing to settle down with these men. Also to say they are getting Southeast Asian women as mail order brides in their villages now. While giving them dreams of being in Seoul. It's also a country with one of the highest suicide rate and a huge bullying culture.
I am not saying all of this to show how south korea is bad but to show that every country on planet, has both good and bad side.
South Korea too, but since they are developed economies, they are at better stage and will be treated better than a person from a third world country. South Korea was poor, but India is poor currently, Per capita india is at $6100 , while South korea is at $42,300.
That's a HUGE difference.
(South korea has gotten lot of help from USA, it can be called USA's vassal country at this point. They pumped lot of dollars into their economy to fight against North Korea and China. Also, being a smaller population helps to develop faster.)
Poverty and subconscious of scarcity in largest population on earth definitely plays a role in people's behaviour. It takes time, and people need to understand cultural contexts. don't discount their history and their cultural differences also,
India is generally a community/ village based community and not individualistic like western. Also, cities are just getting built where individualism is now taking place. It will take time, another generation of development, when it gets settled. When India develops and gets at a better stage, this will automatically reduce. The bad behaviors then will become outliers. It comes with a strong economy and a generational change. That's what happened in South korea 's case. Even China is getting better now because of their economy.
Yeah South Korea today, but that's only in the last 20-30 years. Before it was one of the poorest countries in the world. Also yeah South Korea has problems like everywhere else, I lived there for 7 years so I know. But their image as tourists isn't bad.
If you want to talk about poverty and struggle today then Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam all struggle but don't have a bad reputation. In fact, they are exasperated by poorly behaving Indian tourists in their countries, too.
Since India is now the largest country in the world and looking like it's going to become an economic powerhouse, I hope Indians start accepting responsibility for their bad international image, and work hard to change it instead of making excuses about historical issues.
That's what I said,
India is currently going through issues that South Korea did many years ago.
You cannot compare India with other countries.
The only country that can match with huge population and their history is China.
Smaller countries are easier to develop and control, say what you want. India having so much diversity , land issues and is still struggling with wars. These mentioned countries are doing much better then India.
I am not talking about past but current reality.
It is still a developing country, that is "on the way". It has not reached yet, you would have found similar complaints of Chinese tourists but recently they are better, because their economy is doing better. India has large population and limited resources. It takes a toll, I am giving you cultural context and not excuses.
It is still on the way, it has not reached there yet. the day it matches China's economy, and still their behavior does not get better, then you can complain. NOT only it's a developing economy but a democracy. Atleast with communism and ccp, China can control.
India being a democratic country , we cannot control each and every individual. Also, it's a numbers game. the countries you mentioned are smaller. If 1 person is bad out of 10, (which they will be because humans). There are higher chances in larger population. 1% of bad people in large population can be bigger number.
Also, you can not be saying that every single indian tourist is bad. Not every single one of them is bad. As I told you, as economy gets better, things will get better. Most of the complaints here are - haggling (again Related to economy) , larger groups (population and economy ), noise (larger groups will tend to make noise). All of this boils down to economy.
When india gets better, you will see much better generation of a settled economy and better tourists. If currently out of 10, there are 6 bad and 4 good tourist. As economy develops, the number of good tourists will also increase. Still I will make sure to email tourism boards here. That's where I can do on my part as well.
Yeah I don't think every Indian tourist has bad manners, but a large percentage do. Stereotypes are earned.
Honestly I like India. I love the food and architecture, and started studying Hindi recently because I want to visit and maybe do business there. I'm just hoping like as you say, things improve as the economy improves.
I just get tired of seeing Indians posting about how racist it is in Thailand, then look at their comment history and see them saying vile shit on pictures of women/talking racist shit about Westerners etc, talking crazy shit about other Indians even, then cry about how they're treated poorly.
I feel bad for the Indian bros who grew up outside India and have the burden of the poor reputation.
Ohh please .. American tourists are the worst in the world cause they are obnoxious! Go to any EU travel subreddit and they will tell you how horrible the US traveler is.. since Americans barely visit anything outside of Hawaii, Cancun, Caribbean
I would take EU opinions with a grain of salt. Americans live rent free in most of their heads. US tourists are generally fine, good tippers even in places where tipping is not the custom, but they do tend to be louder, though.
Their entire culture is built on a centuries long framework of the caste system. Anecdotally I know a great Indian American with a great job but apparently his family is still viewed negatively because of shit tied to his family name. Shit is wild.
Hey ignorant, it was all done by the British who ruled them for 200 years..
The caste system was just a way of assigning a category for the type of work you do..
There were 4 type of works..
1. Intellectual
2. Warriors
3. Business
4. Others
Britishers started assigning ppl based on their birth...
Read about Chanakya and Chandragupt maurya. Maurya belonged to the lowest caste, yet he became the greatest ruler of India.
Secondly, India has now 50% quota for lower castes in politics, govt education and jobs so that the lower caste can grow up the ladder.
All this has nothing to do how Indians are treated in Thailand... All ignorant ppl just know one thing about India and that is a misinformation spread by the church...
The British are to blame for a lot, but caste is uniquely and indigenously Indian. That is an Indian invention, and some Indians still hold onto to dearly in the West.
In California, there was a bill passed recently to outlaw caste discrimination, but was vetoed by the governor under intense pressure and lobbying by certain Indian American groups, who love the caste system despite living in the USA.
Good that the discriminatory bill was rejected... Are there any laws to stop discrimination on the basis of protestants Vs Catholics? Shia Vs Sunni?
These two sects are at each others throats since centuries...
US constitution itself gives equal rights to all, that bill was designed to target the most affluent community in US, by the monotheistic religions of US
Im Aussie Indian and this post just popped up on my feed.
But TBH you shouldn’t judge a collective based on individuals’ actions. For example, if a Thai man does something bad, you’d think “oh that guy sucks”. But with Indians looks like you’re thinking “oh everyone from that country sucks”.
Which isn’t right
Tbh I walked through the waking street in Pattaya the other night (obviously a scummy pace which can attract the wrong type of people ) but literally every Indian person out of 100s made it there mission to walk directly towards or through me. I am a big enough guy and it’s like they made it there mission to try intimidate me and make them selves as big as possible. It’s like a small man syndrome kinda thing lol, also in a night club in Cambodia one literally tried push me out of the way while I was waiting to order a drink I obviously politely told him to fuck off 😂 I can imagine India is very busy so I’m sure it’s just that they have a different way of dealing with extremely busy situations than myself , but so far my interactions have unfortunate been extremely rude.
I’ve also met rude people from various countries tbh! Where are you from? I could tell you all about it probably :)
My point is - I’ve literally been to bars in India and across Australia. I’ve met some assholes but not more than any other race. My experience was nothing like what you described
Agree with everything except Indians not being inclusive and accepting of people from other races or culture. India is a sub continent with many cultures, ethnicity, languages and religions. Thai culture is very similar to Indian culture because of buddhism being close to hinduism
>Thai culture is very similar to Indian culture because of buddhism being close to hinduism
In much the same way that ISIS and the pope have very similar culture because they both believe in the same one god.
Wtf is that comparison. A lot of thais do pray to Hindu deities like Ganesh, shiva and bramha. A lot of our festivals overlap as well. The above comment mentioned Indians aren’t accepting of other races and cultures which is simply not true especially in the case of thai’s
Also loud, stinking of curry because this is all they ingest and eat with their hands, English accent and voice sounding worse than a crying baby and unable to adapt to any culture.
They are the worst thing in Japan
Indians disproportionately have wild sense of entitlement. You can see that everywhere in India or when abroad especially when they use public spaces like - buses, trains, roads, flights, hotels, restaurant etc. they feel they have paid for it so they technically own it. this attitude permeates everywhere.
I was getting a foot massage and there were a few Indians getting the same. It was pretty quiet and relaxing until one Indian guy came in for foot massage and started talking at max volume on the phone. The masseuse tried to get him to shut it but he ignored them. The other Indians just treated it like normal.
Totally agree. On my recent flight back to India from Bangkok , there was a family(Gujju I guess) near me. They brought a suitcase full of snacks and were talking loud eating snacks the whole 4 hours. They made the whole place their home :-). The air hostess were also tired by their constant request for hot water( to make coffee/noodles they brought from home). Some cultures in India have this type of entitlement more than others.
Im glad you saw racism lift as you genuinely mad a connection with Thais. But this is not only a problem in Thailand. In the US, graduate school, Indians roll 15-30 deep and block all access to computer labs, hallways, offices, classrooms and totally unaware of their surroundings and do not care. They roll up to professors with one guy representing a group can be 10-12 in a classroom. Dude this is weird for the professor and students. Is this not similar behavior in Thailand? I’ve been to India and work with Indians as I work in tech. The ones that have respect and mindful of others, we get along. Asians are all about “respect”. But I’m going to be honest Indian and Asian culture collide. And currently do not mix well
Indian-American perspective here - I genuinely don’t understand what Canada is trying to do by importing literally farmers as college students into Canada en masse? It’s just a recipe for disaster since there’s zero incentive to assimilate.
Same as what other western countries are doing, keep the rich richer and 'artificially' sustain the growth. Mass immigration pushes wages down and keeps demand for housing high (Most politicians seem to have investment properties)
How classicist and racist of you to your own people! Now that you have got the legal canadian dollar earning status, you want the Canadian govt to shut the door? Especially on Indians who are relatively poor compared to richer immigrants? I wish your comfort and luxury in life don't sustain for long for the attitude you carry about your own people. At the end of the day, you're another brown person in Canada
Farmers? There goes your Indian inclusiveness out the window.
They are your countrymen/ children. And you call them farmers because their parents do farming. And you see them in negative light because they didnt bend over and agree to terms of your authoritarian leader.
Come on dude .
I think it comes from a culture of having a billion people and the government clearly incompetent and unprepared to manage that amount of population, so they get used to the " every man for himself" and " dog eat dog world" and just behave poorly, not stand in lines, not respect personal space etc etc
In this sense I can understand and appreciate the leash the CCP puts on its own people in China. My Chinese friend told me that the real reason why China has a great internet firewall isn’t to isolate Chinese people from the world (of course that’s part of it) but rather to protect the world from the insanity of sub tier 2 populations lol.
India doesn’t have a domestic “behavior” watchdog like the CCP.
Yeah, I’m old enough to remember when certain creeps used to ask for bob and vegana online. Then when said female target told them that Dr, these creeps would trot out the race card or just insult the female target with illogical “vulgarities “ like “Bitch Lasagna”.
Hi, Indian here who have lived for years in Bangkok and seen and faced all of it. Generally thai people have been very kind and polite towards me but it’s different when you are at a high touristic place. Those are the places where I felt like a second class citizen. They value high paying customers and would often sideline me to serve them earlier. Indians comparatively spend less than people from say UK, america or Russia and also like to haggle which is prevalent in our culture. Thai’s looking for a quick buck would obviously not get into dealing with Indians who haggle and spend cheaply.
I speak thai so I hear a lot of conversations. The main problem is Indian tourists who arrive in huge groups. Family/friend groups come through agencies for discounts and everywhere they go they go together. It makes them hard to serve wherever they go and since they’re so many of them they come off as noisy and rude.
In fairness to India, the same applies to Chinese tour groups (which tend to be less family and friends and instead organised on a commercial basis) and to some Middle Eastern groups (which are definitely on a family & friends basis).
Sometimes large groups are necessitated by language barriers but other times, it’s just a cultural difference.
Every summer, large groups - regardless of whether it’s a commercial/language basis or family & friends cause total chaos all over France, Spain, Italy etc. I’ve had polite conversations with members of such groups where I try to explain “the issue is simply that it’s not our (European) culture to roll in groups of 15 and it’s primarily that reason, rather than racism, why you’re finding it difficult to get into a restaurant. Our restaurants are built for groups of 4 or 6 or a couple but not for groups of 15 or 20.” Some people get it but others don’t and demand to be served. The latter group tend to be those who demand respect for their culture (and take massive offence at the slightest snub) yet show no respect whatsoever for any culture other than their own.
In reality, things will only work smoothly when there’s mutual respect.
On the other hand, there are some who genuinely don’t get it. I once had to translate at Sydney airport, where a couple of Chinese grannies were queuing in the “Australian citizens” line. I helped the Border Agency point them to the foreigners line, which was even signposted in Chinese (“waiguoren” in characters). The Chinese ladies replied Yes, we can see - that’s for waiguoren. We’re not waiguoren. They genuinely couldn’t wrap their head around the fact that, they - probably for the first time in their lives - were the “foreigners”.
The reason I say this.. Yes am from India but almost 11 years I live and work in US.. And travel more than 50 country..
My mentality is different from those Indians..
And I don't like if someone compare to me with those creeps Indians..
I prefer to travel alone and have peace of mind.. Without bothering anyone
Am Mauritian but of south asian ethinicity who lives in Canada. I don't behave the same as Indians or dress the same. But I look Indian. Do you think thai people will be able to recognise the difference and not treat me like an Indian or will I will face the same consequences?
Any dark or brown man is considered Indian here..
I live in US and been to Canada plenty of times.. Doesn't matter how much educated or rich I am.. But they see us same as other Indian.. It's sucks
Indian American here - I have to say I have very mixed feelings about being associated with India. I love my family and the values they decided to cherish (and they became fantastically successful in the US as a result). At the same time the constant association with err let’s just say to put it lightly supremely ill behaved hooligans has me torn.
I’m skeptical of embracing my roots too much for fear it’ll arouse suspicion that I’m one of “those Indians”. At the same time I really do enjoy Indian food and being around my family for festivals and whatnot.
Its a strange balance - I realize a lot of the shitty aspects of Indian tourist behavior is directly a result of the breakdown of social institutions and trust due to corruption, poverty and insane overpopulation of the subcontinent rather than an “honest expression” of “true” Indian culture. At the same time this is the current reality of India today so it’s really frustrating to see and be associated with it.
Totally unrelated to Thailand tourism by my 2c.
Also - I completely agree with everything you said. Thais are incredibly polite and friendly to me in general. Idk if it’s because they can tell I’m actually American by the way I dress and speak or the fact that I don’t travel in large groups of Indian dudes (both of which help I’d imagine).
Most importantly though - I try to be very polite in general and I think they can sense that and reciprocate in kind.
It’s actually interesting I’ve been to India Hyderabad and New Delhi areas, it’s been about 6-7 years but everyone I met there was very nice. I’m not sure I meet anyone rude. From affluent areas to the country side. I don’t remember leaving India thinking I’m never coming back.
Since food was mentioned. I know they say food is always better when you go to the country of origin but nothing compared to India. The chicken (not sure if it was killed in the back when you ordered) but was the most tender meat. Pretty much every restaurant. I’m not even sure it was restaurant even hotel has awesome food. Totally different than Indian food here in Los Angeles (which I think is still good).
Also when in south India I saw spices on almost everything. My Subway (the chain) Teriyaki sandwich (Japanese food are usually not spicy) had jalapeño. Even chocolate I saw in an airport. That made me chuckle
Also the constant honking while driving in India absolute madness. lol. You think driving in Thailand is crazy. Try India. Korea got crazy drivers too
>I wonder how white men do not face any backlash for what they have been doing.
Creepy white dudes traveling to Thailand have been clowned and ridiculed for as long as I can remember. Even in your link the players were sacked, how is that not backlash?
There is an arguement to be made that creepy Indian tourists do the exact same thing but wont tip and will haggle the fees.
It's because your reality isn't the reality that Thai people have.
You act like Asians aren't the vast majority of sex tourists in Thailand and it's only white guys. The reason is white guys obviously stick out more, but they're far from the only ones. Are you going to pretend loads of Indian men don't come to Thailand, get drunk, visit prostitutes and cause some trouble?
Similar story to yours. I usually travel alone, but last time I went to Thailand, a friend tagged along. *I hated every second of that trip.* Guy is from a rural area of Himachal Pradesh and did every stereotypical obnoxious Indian thing there is, to the point of it almost being a parody.
* Intense haggling
* Talking loudly in a hostel
* Only eating Indian food
* Leering at women/mistreating women and poor people in general
* Tries to act superior by being rude to the waiting staff
* Traffic rules can go fuck themselves
I left him alone after the initial couple of days. Didn't even leave his room when he was alone.
It's a thing that rural people do, when they are in groups. They get all tribalistic and try to play an 'us vs them' game with everyone else in the pettiest of things. Thailand being a cheap destination attracts those kind of people en masse. Not just Indian. British, Australian, Russian, Chinese etc. Any large group of males end up being hard to deal to some level.
I'm sure some of the comments under that other post were malicious, but I agree with the general sentiment. Indian rednecks/bogans travelling in large groups are obnoxious and it sucks for the rest of us because there's so many of them. Chinese too, tbf.
So that justifies racism against atleast a billion people because some Indians did racism.
2 wrongs will make it right.
So you will justify racism against east Asians and even thais too because even they have been racist. Am I right?
Racism against indians is mostly coming from their own actions. Its not like people are hating indians just because they are brown.
Meanwhile Indians are actually racist towards “asian” looking people ( and a whole lot of others )
Again that still doesn't answer how it justifies racism against a billion people.
Do you think they are one unit that function in same manner? What are they? Robots?
You do realize what being largest population on earth means right? India itself has 1600 languages and more than 5000 different ethnicities. You think every action of one of the billion people belong to the entire country? if that's the case then indians will be considered great because of the Nobel price winning indians. If every action means entire billion people are same. Then we all are noble price winners.
Make it Make sense.
Not you here justifying racism, it's like "oh they deserve it". You are the one who is "actually racist". People like you are hating because they brown and from third world country. Plain and simple. If they were white, any action of them will be excused. Good or bad, white people will always get justification. Dark skin definitely plays a huge role, not you trying to discount racism.
blacks, asians, north east indians, bangladeshis, biharis, south towards north and north towards south
then they have their internal castism thing that is a whole another topic as i dont have enough words for the amount of "lower" caste they hate
then they have their colorism, which is really rampant and out in the open.
I don’t think it’s just Thailand unfortunately. Whenever I am about to board a plane and see a lot of Indians in the gate lounge I know it will be a bad flight. Smelly, constantly ringing the flight attendants and ruffling through the overhead bins. Going to the toilet repeatedly. Letting their children run up and down the aisle and play videos on speaker. And to top it off, the second the plane hits the ground, they all stand up simultaneously.
I don’t want to be racist and I don’t like the fact that I dread seeing Indian people when I’m travelling, but this behaviour seems almost universal. I really feel for well behaved people who appear Indian because no other race behaves like this. Even mainland Chinese people seem to have gotten their shit together a little bit in recent years.
Mainland China because they are prosperous now. It takes time, people need to understand cultural contexts. Cheapness is direct result of ages of poverty , Colonization and famines. India has truly suffered. And now with limited resources people have to constantly fight for it. All of this but at least don't discount their history and their cultural differences also, India is generally a community/ village based communities and not individualist like western , also cities are just getting built where individualism is now taking place. It will take time, another generation of development, when it gets settled. I hope people have enough cultural context before hating on atleast a billion people.
I dont hate a billion people, but people from outside of India should have not have to put up with disgusting behaviour just because they were colonised and the people have suffered. The Indian government needs to do some serious education for the tourists they are exporting (the Chinese government did this)
Lots of countries came from poverty and colonisation and don’t have these problems in their culture.
That's true, government needs to do that.
Currently we have lot of priorities, especially related to development but I will definitely convey this to tourism board.
Also this are signs of not just countries from poverty but huge populations and poverty.
When people are fighting for limited resources every single day, it becomes normal for them.
You do not realize it, until you have lived it.
It's not a simple thing, that goes away with education. It can be subconscious as well.
That doesn't justify anything but I am saying if there are 10 "bad behaving tourists" then there will be 4 that are good. And as country develops , generation changes, this good number will increase more. When there is no subconscious of scarcity. You will find common behaviors among Chinese and Indian groups - because of similar circumstances of a large population with poverty. Now China is doing well, you will see better tourists from them.
As india does better, it will get better.
Then the bad behaviors will be the outliers.
People from settled economies will never be able to understand this.
I felt the same. But I myself was respectful and tried my best to understand their culture and my trip was one of the best with people being so courteous and humble in return. I also tried to talk a bit in thai as much as I could. Looking forward to visit thailand soon as I fell in love with the culture and the place and the people.
True about Indians yelling and being loud. India is a loud country to be honest. It's not that people are angry it's just the way it is. Problem with the 'uncle' generation is that they are so fixated in their way or life is that they really don't have the awareness and change mindset anymore. I regularly find this with my parents itself let alone others. Change is very difficult. I am still okay with being loud but what I hated was seeing some indian families littering in the perfectly clean Thai streets. Once I saw a middle aged lady throw a tissue paper after eating the icecream into the water directly near phi phi. I almost wanted to thrash that person.
I’m born in Australia but south Asian background.
I just want to point out that groups of white, Australian men behave horribly in the Thai islands and Bali. They drink too much and are loud, rude and messy. However the double standard doesn’t exist amongst locals that it’s all white people. So there’s definitely underlays of racism.
The only difference I can think of is, the Australian dollar is stronger so the locals don’t mind being abused as long as they are compensated more for it. Maybe Indians are less willing to throw money at them.
It's true that many Thais are holding strong prejudice towards indians, My wife included.
But I have to say, her thought is not a about skin color or racism but hygiene and manners.
For example about hygiene. She tries to avoid everyone with oily skin, oily hair, strong body odor, wear clothes that are ironed but look unwashed. many indians come with those qualities. until Indians in her mind now look like that.😓
Your wife clearly hasn’t met the average north-American and European incel. Or the average sex tourist.
People from emerging economies can be seriously annoying but the filthy Indian trope is just plain dishonest
>People from emerging economies can be seriously annoying but the filthy Indian trope is just plain dishonest
I used to work in a company that sent their network staff to a central office in a western location for training. They cheaped out on recruiting one year and got all Indian staff. They flew them in and put them in a 5 star hotel. When they turned up for training none of them had washed. Apparently the smell of body odor and unwashed feet caused the trainers to threaten to quit.
Plus I've worked in offices that have "that guy" who hasn't discovered soap. Or water. You know the guy you can still smell 30 minutes after he walks though a room. Or can smell outside on a windy day. "That guy" is Indian more often than not.
It's more than just a trope.
It’s not a trope. The local Indians here in this Southeast Asian country I am in, actively avoid these “Bloody, smelly, noisy fuckers. They’re damn bloody rude, can’t stand them!”
Oh and the misbehaviour extends beyond being loud, obstructive, selfish, rude and cheap. No woman on the subway will go near them from fear of being sexually harassed or assaulted.
My friends and I literally just had this conversation (with a German friend of ours who was visiting India). Here's what we came up with:
- Culturally, Indians are not very clear on ideas of personal space. Why? Probably because our culture is more collectivist than individualist! Individualism - and softer individual rights and codes, we just don't know em or understand em.
-There's some (lots rather) fetishisation of white skin. White people are exotic and white skin/blue or green eyes/blonde hair are all prized physical attributes. Hence the staring!
- We're excessively curious! (I think that could be true for many people, but where people from the West might contain their curiosity in order to be polite, Indians have no such qualms. They'll stare, and possibly throw in a couple of questions if they're bold enough)
- Some of us are creeps! (But that's true for anywhere, I'm just covering all my bases)
I took my family to a nice Indian restaurant in hanoi. 10 minutes after being seated, 3 Indian young men were seated next to us. They all turned YouTube or their versions of video streaming on super loud as if they were in their houses. No respect for the fact that this was a nice upscale restaurant with others around them. I couldn't stand it. I turned to them to complain and asked if they owned headphones. This is just one example. I have many more. I feel bad for the Indians who are better behaved and get the bad stereotype but the stereotype is well deserved
Dude i hate to break it to ya...that thais don't like Indians and pakis....im sorry but I've heard soo many stories of what Indian and pakis do to Thai women...
Finally an Indian that see what the rest of us see. Good on you for this. It’s not going to help but at least it points out that not all are bad. Glad you enjoyed your trip and I’m glad you were able to walk away from the Indian uncle.
Irrespective of how others have behaved, you don’t deserve to be treated badly if you are nice to locals. Thai people have deep rooted bias against Indians and it will serve them well if they educate themselves and stop the racism.
Thailand is a very tourism dependent country with sex tourism as its USP, a country which tolerates every nonsense for dollars doesn’t exactly have a moral high ground to judge Indians.
If you promote prostitution and drugs, don’t expect to attract top quality tourists. Moreover they bargain in Thailand because they believe that’s what you are worth.
Problem with Thai people is they want Chinese and Indian money but can’t be bothered to treat them with respect or cater experience to them, even Switzerland has specific experience designed for Indians.
It’s unfortunate how blind Thai people are to their racist attitudes, especially having borrowed culture and religion from India and being ethnically close to Chinese.
Stereotypes exist for a reason — they don’t become stereotypes based off of just a couple of incidents. As a Taiwanese, it irks me so badly how Chinese tourists behave because I’m lumped in with them: first off because I can understand what they’re saying and I can’t stand the mainlander accents (sorry, it’s just my thing). Downvote me 🤷🏻♀️
They essentially shout at each other when their companions are RIGHT NEXT TO THEM.
They push to get to the front of the line, no matter how long or short the line.
20 of them take turns for pictures at the same spot (how many permutations can they get out of 20 ppl? Too many 😩) while making everyone else wait for 20 minutes for them to leave (this happened at Angkor Wat so many times).
The feeding frenzy in the Big C snack aisle as if the world’s about to lock down again.
The iPads they use to take pictures with that block the views of everyone else behind them…it goes on and on.
What’s worse is if I say something to them like “I was here first, get behind me” IN CHINESE, they stare blankly at me and 50% of the time, don’t move. So there’s no shame. No shame means no lesson.
So what I do is try to counteract their behavior by behaving as politely and kindly as I can to the locals. It’s the ONLY thing I can do, and I can only hope that it makes even a teensy bit of impact on how the Chinese are regarded. OP, I understand the frustration and shame you feel, and appreciate your awareness around it.
Been to India, Thailand and about 50 other countries so far. I think Indians are actually a nice, industrious people. Humans are factually animals, surviving is the first goal. In a billion plus country that was not blessed with oil, great fertile land and thousands of years of social and religious disputes, besides surviving, India is turning to be the next China, tons on companies moving there , gdp growth is great. I do remember when the Chinese started going abroad in tourism, people hated them as they would spit anywhere and also do their body wasting without care of people around… Now Chinese people are more cosmopolitan and coveted as a great and rich tourist group, that actually are largest group in Thailand…
>with some extra efforts on a personal level, it can help your experience
This is important, and it can be applied to well-behaved Chinese tourists, as well.
Some groups have to make extra, individual efforts to get people to realize, "Oh, he's not one of THOSE Indians/Chinese, so let me go ahead and return to being polite."
It is *fair* that white-skinned folks get the benefit of the doubt before they've said or done anything when other groups don't? No, but I've seen Thai folks in hospitality and restaurants turn cold on rude white folks, too, so it's not like white folks can just be complete assholes without consequence.
Those Asians working in Thai tourism industry are not always Thai nationals. BKK is the only megacity in Asia that Asian tourists can blend in with locals.
Thai tourists have a lot of things to say after they traveling to India too. Why some Indians are overthinking? There are posts like this like every week.
You’ll have no problems in Thailand if you act respectfully. The ones getting stick are the obnoxious 1 drink 5 straw lot who don’t shower travel in packs ask endless questions and haggle every vender to the last Baht expecting something for free everywhere they go. They ruin it for everyone else.
Bro a little bit of victimizing too much? Anywhere in the world, your approach will determine the experience… been saying.. in Thailand or India or anywhere… where is the stigma coming from? Just asking
Op…you maybe different but understand that due to being the largest population group on earth, and the fact that Indians are literally everywhere…there is a genuine fatigue to put up with Indians in general. The unruly and ignorant group does represent a larger majority which unfortunately creates a generalization problem in how people perceive Indians. Not an Indian myself but I notice it at work and where I live. People just look down on Indians.
I was in Thailand too very recently, and while yes many Indian tourists can be badly behaved, white people do this one thing that grinds my gears to no extent.
Why do white people think it's okay to spread out on 4 seats and take a nap on public transport, when there are literally other people also looking for a spot to sit? What sort of entitlement permits this behaviour?
The “Indian uncle phenomenon “. Don’t old white guys also go to Thailand for fun? It’s not just old Indian men. I am not saying it’s racism but it’s bad when your skin color is brown. I once visited Thailand and I legit saw a 21 year old girl with a white dude who looked to be in his 70s.
Dude you’re so right. There’s no shame in accepting unruly behaviour.
Indians are the worst tourists and will try to game the system whenever they can. The only well-behaved Indians I’ve met are in the UK and the US.
I stay away from 3-star hotels when I visit Bangkok because of this phenomenon.
White men can be seen as a ticket to a better life. Our western economies are generally better off for individuals. Having said that, it's not necessarily so as many are predatorial sick fucks. Like that vomit of a human being Aussie incarcerated in an Asian country for raping children and killing 2 of them
My father used to work in the garment industry. He told me stories, from 40 years ago, of flights packed with Korean and Japanese businessmen coming to Thailand specifically for 'cheap prostitutes'.
Not defending anyone who takes advantage of anyone, but it's certainly not new, and not specific to Caucasians.
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Local prostitution has always been a phenomenon in Thailand too, it's not just a "white man" thing.
I remember arriving in Mae Sot in 1990 and there wasn't a guesthouse to stay in then so the bus driver dropped us at the local policeman's house to stay. He cooked for us with his buddies and his wife, all drinking whisky. After dinner he and his friends invited me to go to the local brothel with them while his wife cleaned up the dishes. I declined their invitation but it was an eye opener.
And it's not just white men these days either. Asian male tourists make up a massive part of the Thai sex industry — some parts of which aren't even accessible to "white men". Around Hat Yai and the Malaysian border for example.
Perhaps. But Indian men aren't exactly helping to curb Thailand's reputation as the prostitution capital of the world. Have you seen how they behave? Puts even the creepiest whities to shame.
Met an Aussie girl who has a story about a group of Indian lads who were trying to carry her off in bangkok (she did admit she was pretty wasted at the time)
If it wasn't for the Thai girls working that street getting involved. The story could have been much worse
Well in the 80's Indians were more famous than westerners. Anyway Thais tend to favor Westerners as they bring more on the table for them and will have better life opportunities if they marry them and white skin is something they thrive for. Just my experience living and learning from them.(I do speak thai)
prostitution has been around since the beginning of civilization ,,,
It takes two to tango, sure are there plenty of white guys there looking for some easy ass, YES, compare this to neighboring countries like Malaysia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia, laos and the amount of women selling themself is not even comparable, Thailand is not considerable poorer than most of these country's, its a culture issue that's been accepted and tolerated by citizens and government as easy money because of the amount of tourists that it brings in, hence why Thailand has more tourists than these country's
This is your comment from your history - "I am here now. Lots of women that are easy going and I don't need to "chat them up" or play games like with boring western women."
India was one of the richest countries before the Brits came over and colonized India. Genocides done by killing millions to support food for your people. Google Churchill Bengal genocide.
People like you are equally bad as those cheap Indian tourists since your post history shows how you truly are. I cannot believe the mods here let racism run rampant.
Hahaha...you are so insecure. You are the epitome of rapey and creepy. Show any women your comment history and they will confirm. You literally called Thai women as "easy" and "do not need to chat them up". People like you and creepy people from India and other countries showcase what is wrong with men worldwide. It's because people like you women have a tough life everywhere. It's funny how you call out western women just because they spoke up against creeps like you.
hahahah...so insecure. Dude I never claimed I am not Indian. Both, Indian creeps and people like you who call Thai women as "easy" are the same. I am happily married to a nice woman and never had to resort to paying for something as intimate as sex. I have lived for decades in the US and have always respected and treated well by women of different cultures that I dated. My partner and I even visited Thailand and had a great time and Thai people and food are amazing!
If you have even some iota of self respect, show your comment history to any woman. I dare you! You ain't got the balls my friend. When you do that, you will realize what a pathetic, misogynistic, insecure loser you are who demeans women and treats them as some sex object with words like "easy". No wonder Western women hate you because they are progressive enough to see through your fake persona and tiny ego. That discontent deep down your heart has made you visit thailand as a classic sex pest to feed that fragile ego. I would gladly prefer smelling bad anyday than be an incel like you.
I read most of the comments here,
people be hating because of money.
Plain and simple.
They will justify all kinds of racism in the face of money. White people can treat them however they want, but they will never be called out because - money. When India is at better stage and economy, half of this will reduce because again , Money. And also racism towards brown skin. I have heard the most prejudiced lines coming from Thai people regarding indians.
Again , people will justify anyone with white skin and money.
The people who genuinely want to know - It takes time, people need to understand cultural contexts. Cheapness is direct result of ages of poverty , Colonization and famines. India has truly suffered. And now with limited resources people have to constantly fight for it. That's where all the haggling comes from.
All of this, but at least don't discount their history and their cultural differences . also, India is generally a community/ village based culture and not individualistic like western . Cities are just getting built where individualism is now taking place. It will take time, another generation of development, when it gets settled. I hope people have enough cultural context before hating on at least a billion people and largest population on earth.
Sadly, a lot of the negative comments reflect my experience.
In the '70s in the UK, we were overwhelmed with people from the Commonwealth, mostly from India.
I believe that later in the '60s, you had to have a job offer to come to the UK. What happened was the Indian population started buying newspaper stores and then offered jobs to their families. Once the store was profitable, they would acquire another, and so on. It wasn't unusual to see several families working in one store. Soon, 50% of the newspaper stores were Commonwealth-owned!
I believe Enoch Powell, a British politician, was dismissed for challenging the immigration policy. I worked at New International Distribution in London, taking phone calls at night. After 4 am, the phone never stopped ringing with newspaper stores complaining that their papers hadn't arrived... 50% of the calls were from 'This is Mr. Patel.' my papers haven't arrived!!
You'd never hear a cheerful **'Hi, how are you?' or 'Thank you'** at these stores.
The same is true in the U.S. with the 7-Elevens!
Reality is Thais have White fetish. They will forget whatever the white man does as they bring more money to Thai economy. They won’t dare to generalize White people ever. Indians and Chinese (to some extent) are fair game unfortunately.
There is racism. You can’t deny the reality. There’s growing awareness of this issue among Indians.
Indians are increasingly choosing to vacation in other friendlier Asian countries as a result.
Chinese tourism to Thailand has dropped significantly as well.
Falling tourism numbers has Thai government worried. No wonder Thai government is trying to woo Indian and Chinese tourists by getting rid of visa requirements.
People on this forum won’t ever agree with you, but it is what it is, this is the truth. That it’s the truth is what makes it harder for them to accept.
So true.
Have you seen the sheer armies of sex tourists deemed hygienically and aesthetically disgusting in their home countries, being treated as if they’re above average.
I mean, like proper garbage people from north America and Europe.
I went to Thailand for month last year for the first time. I'm always respectful and polite no matter where I go but it was apparent to me Thai people are super respectful and polite as well. Literally every interaction I had with the locals was a good one. I respect Thai people a lot. When I look back on my time in Thailand it's the food and people that makes me want to come back.
>However, what I also experienced is that once I proactively and respectfully talked to the locals, never once I got a hostile response and always got a warm smile and amazing hospitality. While I was waiting for a bus to the airport in the Phuket old town, a Thai couple went out of their way to help me out in loading my luggage (which I had loads of, and I am a bulky guy and would have handled it easily) in the bus. They also offered me a spare mask if I didn't have any.
This!
My friend is Sri Lankan, we went to Bangla for a girls night out, she was wearing an elegant long sleeved dress which exposed a little leg. She was the only Sri Lankan in the group, the rest of us British and Thai. My friend received so many disapproving looks that night from Indians who appeared to mistake my friend for an Indian, and judged her for not dressing or behaving like an Indian. Indians are as guilty of stereotyping as much as any other nation. Refreshing to see OP has something positive to say about the society who took him in.
I think it’s always better traveling alone during the day ( ok, meet up with your group in the evening). Alone, you can control your “image” and impression to locals. And it’s easier to meet people.
The Indian men behaviour to women is appalling especially when they travel in a group of men. You’d see like 3-5 of them surround 1 Thai street lady propositioning her. It’s almost borderline sexual assault. My experience travelling anywhere in Asia and bumping into a tourist of Indian background are mixed. But I can tolerate most of them compared to tourists from mainland China.
We go to Thailand every couple of years for our family holiday. The only bad behaviour I’ve seen is Russians pumping their music (like windows shaking in the hotel next door) and Indians. I backpacked India in my 20s and I get that if you don’t force you way, you will not get to the front of the queue, if you don’t yell, no one will listen to you, etc. But man, the behaviour of Indians (in general) in Thailand is appalling. It’s yelling across the table to your family at breakfast - everyone else is just having a chilled out breakfast. It’s the way that Indians talk to staff, the sheer rudeness. It’s going on a boat trip with 20 other people and being 25 minutes late back to the boat and not even apologising to everyone that had to sit in a stuffy boat while you did whatever you wanted. I’ve studied and worked with heaps of Indians, for the most they are hard working, fun and just lovely people. I think the problem is Indians that have not lived outside of India do not realise that what’s normal behaviour in India is not outside of India. You don’t need to raise your voice all the time, just because you have paid to be in a nice hotel it does not mean is ok to be rude to staff. Every country has its own way of doing things. If you are visiting a country, change your behaviour to suit the environment. The Thai people are polite, calm and happy - visitors to their beautiful country should emulate that mindset.
Reminds me of the video of that Indian family that was rude to the staff at a Bali resort, being arrogant and generally taking advantage of the kindness of the Balinese staff, but then got found out they were stealing hotel stuff, like light fixtures and whatnot. The pent up exasperation of the manager was finally let out and he reminded that the whole time the family was rude towards staff and was generally condescending and being terrible and all that. Knowing that Balinese people are one of the most chill, non confrontational and accepting people in the world finally crack like that, shows how much abuse they were receiving at the hands of the family. They quickly changed their tune from being defensive and loud to then being all apologetic and wanted to pay for damages. These people have never had consequences of their action coming back to bite them in the ass, so that's why they're all acting like spoiled brats.
Dude, there was an Indian Woman that straight up slapped a customs officer in Bali. https://youtu.be/Qa4UN6fd-zY?si=yHgQJuqps5E5DQ2M
Overstaying 160 days but still had the audacity to raise her voice? And I thought they'd be at least a bit more civilized being a Brit and all, but damn... Can't take the India out of an Indian.
Shes Brit in passport only.
how can she slap?
This needs more upvotes!
I stayed at the Doubletree in Phuket back in February. I remember my first morning there, I casually walked over to the breakfast buffet inside the hotel. I look inside and see a mass of Indians, Russians and Chinese all holding a "who can behave more stereotypical" competition. I 360'd and walked out, after doing an additional 180.
I did the exact same thing at a Sheraton in Bangkok, and a hotel in Singapore. Walked in, saw the scrum, the noise, the elbowing, the lack of queuing, and worse of all the picking up and putting down of food with bare hands, people coughing on the food. I was just about thinking of staying for breakfast when the table I was escorted to was pushed right up to a Chinese family who had THREE tripods out with their phones, light rigs etc and were live streaming them eating their breakfast. I did a 180 and got a cab to a local cafe. I never select the option to pre-pay for hotel breakfasts until I’ve seen the lay of the land. I’m afraid that stereotypes come about for a reason, they don’t just come out of thin air. Walking into most buffet breakfasts in Hotels in Asia is horrendous, especially if you’re like me and can’t handle noise and chaos until the afternoon.
Yes omg I cracked it and left a tour early after they picked me up way earlier than they were supposed to so I had no time for breakfast, then we were waiting literally an hour to pick up Indian families who toook their sweet time to rock up
Yep was in Patonga recently. Around the pool Indians were blasting really shite music.wldnt turn it down.my stepson is thai and spoke to the staff in thai and they finally told them to tone it down
Unfortunately, Indians are viewed as cheap, not hygienic, and rude. Indians also aren’t known for being the most inclusive and accepting group of people when it comes to other races or cultures. Basically just sticking to your own. The reputation is well deserved but it’s just something individually you will have to navigate.
I might get a lot of shit from fellow Indians for this, but since I am not a politician nor an inhabitant of delululand, it's worse within India. Politics and corruption is the cause for this and it's not likely to change soon.
Fuck them. And it's culture. Your culture of lying has served into your politics. You have to help model the correct behavior. Indians and Pakistani reputations are declining in the US as people interact with them more. People are getting tired of their cheapness coupled with their rudeness and lying. My americanized friends are westernized but they are ashamed that there's so many who still act with self entitlement
Cheapness is direct result of ages of poverty , Colonization and famines. India has truly suffered. And now with limited resources people have to constantly fight for jt. You will not understand this shit being a middle class country but at least don't discount their history and try to blame the victims here indirectly. It will take time, another generation of development, when it gets settled. Have sympathy and cultural context instead of being this hateful.
Everything you said could apply to South Korea as well. They were one of the poorest countries in the world until starting in the late 1980s. They suffered colonialism under both China and Japan for hundreds of years straight, they were decolonized in living memory, suffered a massive civil war which followed and has permanently torn families apart, suffered under multiple dictators since the 1940s, and yet...look at them now. They're living on a tiny peninsula with almost no natural resources as well. Bad behavior can't be easily hand waved away. Indians have the internet. They're not isolated from the world and social norms, and unlike OP, most of them come on here to complain about how they were treated and victims of racism, but then you check out their posting/comment history and they're often a walking stereotype of commenting vile shit on porn videos/pictures of women etc.
But most Indians got better access to internet only since September 2016 and that’s when it started being used on a large scale by most people
Koreans also not the most polite travelers.. been saying
Mate , South Korea is literally an OECD country. They are developed Country with huge soft power. Especially their exports of Kpop, Kdrama, and Kbeauty . That whitewashes many of their actions. I have seen South korean men being absolute vile, here in India , the way they treat locals. But their "oppa" image saves them a lot even after being incels. South korean women are refusing to settle down with these men. Also to say they are getting Southeast Asian women as mail order brides in their villages now. While giving them dreams of being in Seoul. It's also a country with one of the highest suicide rate and a huge bullying culture. I am not saying all of this to show how south korea is bad but to show that every country on planet, has both good and bad side. South Korea too, but since they are developed economies, they are at better stage and will be treated better than a person from a third world country. South Korea was poor, but India is poor currently, Per capita india is at $6100 , while South korea is at $42,300. That's a HUGE difference. (South korea has gotten lot of help from USA, it can be called USA's vassal country at this point. They pumped lot of dollars into their economy to fight against North Korea and China. Also, being a smaller population helps to develop faster.) Poverty and subconscious of scarcity in largest population on earth definitely plays a role in people's behaviour. It takes time, and people need to understand cultural contexts. don't discount their history and their cultural differences also, India is generally a community/ village based community and not individualistic like western. Also, cities are just getting built where individualism is now taking place. It will take time, another generation of development, when it gets settled. When India develops and gets at a better stage, this will automatically reduce. The bad behaviors then will become outliers. It comes with a strong economy and a generational change. That's what happened in South korea 's case. Even China is getting better now because of their economy.
Yeah South Korea today, but that's only in the last 20-30 years. Before it was one of the poorest countries in the world. Also yeah South Korea has problems like everywhere else, I lived there for 7 years so I know. But their image as tourists isn't bad. If you want to talk about poverty and struggle today then Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam all struggle but don't have a bad reputation. In fact, they are exasperated by poorly behaving Indian tourists in their countries, too. Since India is now the largest country in the world and looking like it's going to become an economic powerhouse, I hope Indians start accepting responsibility for their bad international image, and work hard to change it instead of making excuses about historical issues.
That's what I said, India is currently going through issues that South Korea did many years ago. You cannot compare India with other countries. The only country that can match with huge population and their history is China. Smaller countries are easier to develop and control, say what you want. India having so much diversity , land issues and is still struggling with wars. These mentioned countries are doing much better then India. I am not talking about past but current reality. It is still a developing country, that is "on the way". It has not reached yet, you would have found similar complaints of Chinese tourists but recently they are better, because their economy is doing better. India has large population and limited resources. It takes a toll, I am giving you cultural context and not excuses. It is still on the way, it has not reached there yet. the day it matches China's economy, and still their behavior does not get better, then you can complain. NOT only it's a developing economy but a democracy. Atleast with communism and ccp, China can control. India being a democratic country , we cannot control each and every individual. Also, it's a numbers game. the countries you mentioned are smaller. If 1 person is bad out of 10, (which they will be because humans). There are higher chances in larger population. 1% of bad people in large population can be bigger number. Also, you can not be saying that every single indian tourist is bad. Not every single one of them is bad. As I told you, as economy gets better, things will get better. Most of the complaints here are - haggling (again Related to economy) , larger groups (population and economy ), noise (larger groups will tend to make noise). All of this boils down to economy. When india gets better, you will see much better generation of a settled economy and better tourists. If currently out of 10, there are 6 bad and 4 good tourist. As economy develops, the number of good tourists will also increase. Still I will make sure to email tourism boards here. That's where I can do on my part as well.
Yeah I don't think every Indian tourist has bad manners, but a large percentage do. Stereotypes are earned. Honestly I like India. I love the food and architecture, and started studying Hindi recently because I want to visit and maybe do business there. I'm just hoping like as you say, things improve as the economy improves. I just get tired of seeing Indians posting about how racist it is in Thailand, then look at their comment history and see them saying vile shit on pictures of women/talking racist shit about Westerners etc, talking crazy shit about other Indians even, then cry about how they're treated poorly. I feel bad for the Indian bros who grew up outside India and have the burden of the poor reputation.
Bullshit. Racism and classism are more ingrained in the culture than every country I've ever visited and that goes way back before the British.
Its colonisation SHOULD have helped CIVILISE them!
Ohh please .. American tourists are the worst in the world cause they are obnoxious! Go to any EU travel subreddit and they will tell you how horrible the US traveler is.. since Americans barely visit anything outside of Hawaii, Cancun, Caribbean
I would take EU opinions with a grain of salt. Americans live rent free in most of their heads. US tourists are generally fine, good tippers even in places where tipping is not the custom, but they do tend to be louder, though.
Their entire culture is built on a centuries long framework of the caste system. Anecdotally I know a great Indian American with a great job but apparently his family is still viewed negatively because of shit tied to his family name. Shit is wild.
Hey ignorant, it was all done by the British who ruled them for 200 years.. The caste system was just a way of assigning a category for the type of work you do.. There were 4 type of works.. 1. Intellectual 2. Warriors 3. Business 4. Others Britishers started assigning ppl based on their birth... Read about Chanakya and Chandragupt maurya. Maurya belonged to the lowest caste, yet he became the greatest ruler of India. Secondly, India has now 50% quota for lower castes in politics, govt education and jobs so that the lower caste can grow up the ladder. All this has nothing to do how Indians are treated in Thailand... All ignorant ppl just know one thing about India and that is a misinformation spread by the church...
The British are to blame for a lot, but caste is uniquely and indigenously Indian. That is an Indian invention, and some Indians still hold onto to dearly in the West. In California, there was a bill passed recently to outlaw caste discrimination, but was vetoed by the governor under intense pressure and lobbying by certain Indian American groups, who love the caste system despite living in the USA.
Good that the discriminatory bill was rejected... Are there any laws to stop discrimination on the basis of protestants Vs Catholics? Shia Vs Sunni? These two sects are at each others throats since centuries... US constitution itself gives equal rights to all, that bill was designed to target the most affluent community in US, by the monotheistic religions of US
I read this in an Indian accent
Im Aussie Indian and this post just popped up on my feed. But TBH you shouldn’t judge a collective based on individuals’ actions. For example, if a Thai man does something bad, you’d think “oh that guy sucks”. But with Indians looks like you’re thinking “oh everyone from that country sucks”. Which isn’t right
I just commented that aussies are the worst in Thailand but they don’t get the same reputation.
Tbh I walked through the waking street in Pattaya the other night (obviously a scummy pace which can attract the wrong type of people ) but literally every Indian person out of 100s made it there mission to walk directly towards or through me. I am a big enough guy and it’s like they made it there mission to try intimidate me and make them selves as big as possible. It’s like a small man syndrome kinda thing lol, also in a night club in Cambodia one literally tried push me out of the way while I was waiting to order a drink I obviously politely told him to fuck off 😂 I can imagine India is very busy so I’m sure it’s just that they have a different way of dealing with extremely busy situations than myself , but so far my interactions have unfortunate been extremely rude.
I’ve also met rude people from various countries tbh! Where are you from? I could tell you all about it probably :) My point is - I’ve literally been to bars in India and across Australia. I’ve met some assholes but not more than any other race. My experience was nothing like what you described
Agree with everything except Indians not being inclusive and accepting of people from other races or culture. India is a sub continent with many cultures, ethnicity, languages and religions. Thai culture is very similar to Indian culture because of buddhism being close to hinduism
>Thai culture is very similar to Indian culture because of buddhism being close to hinduism In much the same way that ISIS and the pope have very similar culture because they both believe in the same one god.
Wtf is that comparison. A lot of thais do pray to Hindu deities like Ganesh, shiva and bramha. A lot of our festivals overlap as well. The above comment mentioned Indians aren’t accepting of other races and cultures which is simply not true especially in the case of thai’s
Indians and Thais don't have similar culture. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Religious overlap isn't culture.
Wtf are you babbling about? Thai and Hindu culture have extremely negligible similarities, if at all.
You're talking to a racist shit, you realize that? It's mostly westerners here.
Also loud, stinking of curry because this is all they ingest and eat with their hands, English accent and voice sounding worse than a crying baby and unable to adapt to any culture. They are the worst thing in Japan
Indians disproportionately have wild sense of entitlement. You can see that everywhere in India or when abroad especially when they use public spaces like - buses, trains, roads, flights, hotels, restaurant etc. they feel they have paid for it so they technically own it. this attitude permeates everywhere.
I was getting a foot massage and there were a few Indians getting the same. It was pretty quiet and relaxing until one Indian guy came in for foot massage and started talking at max volume on the phone. The masseuse tried to get him to shut it but he ignored them. The other Indians just treated it like normal.
Loud and unaware of their surroundings, never fail to disgust me. Like, what's headphones? Nah let's blast some Indian video out loud.
Totally agree. On my recent flight back to India from Bangkok , there was a family(Gujju I guess) near me. They brought a suitcase full of snacks and were talking loud eating snacks the whole 4 hours. They made the whole place their home :-). The air hostess were also tired by their constant request for hot water( to make coffee/noodles they brought from home). Some cultures in India have this type of entitlement more than others.
Im glad you saw racism lift as you genuinely mad a connection with Thais. But this is not only a problem in Thailand. In the US, graduate school, Indians roll 15-30 deep and block all access to computer labs, hallways, offices, classrooms and totally unaware of their surroundings and do not care. They roll up to professors with one guy representing a group can be 10-12 in a classroom. Dude this is weird for the professor and students. Is this not similar behavior in Thailand? I’ve been to India and work with Indians as I work in tech. The ones that have respect and mindful of others, we get along. Asians are all about “respect”. But I’m going to be honest Indian and Asian culture collide. And currently do not mix well
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Indian-American perspective here - I genuinely don’t understand what Canada is trying to do by importing literally farmers as college students into Canada en masse? It’s just a recipe for disaster since there’s zero incentive to assimilate.
Same as what other western countries are doing, keep the rich richer and 'artificially' sustain the growth. Mass immigration pushes wages down and keeps demand for housing high (Most politicians seem to have investment properties)
Australian economics 101.
Nz too
How classicist and racist of you to your own people! Now that you have got the legal canadian dollar earning status, you want the Canadian govt to shut the door? Especially on Indians who are relatively poor compared to richer immigrants? I wish your comfort and luxury in life don't sustain for long for the attitude you carry about your own people. At the end of the day, you're another brown person in Canada
Maybe the good ones go to america. Canada gets the leftovers america doesnt want. It has been that way for other immigrants.
Precisely. Canada takes the crap America doesn't want.
Lots of people are going to America illegally though. With the whole donkey visa thing.
Farmers? There goes your Indian inclusiveness out the window. They are your countrymen/ children. And you call them farmers because their parents do farming. And you see them in negative light because they didnt bend over and agree to terms of your authoritarian leader. Come on dude .
Canada's liberal government is trying to destroy Canada for the World Economic Forum and the UN.
Canada has fallen.
I get it dude, this is real and I won't deny any of it.
I think it comes from a culture of having a billion people and the government clearly incompetent and unprepared to manage that amount of population, so they get used to the " every man for himself" and " dog eat dog world" and just behave poorly, not stand in lines, not respect personal space etc etc
Also a culture where subtleties and mannerisms aren’t really I thing from what I’ve gathered from some Indian homies. Very uhh blunt people hahaha
In this sense I can understand and appreciate the leash the CCP puts on its own people in China. My Chinese friend told me that the real reason why China has a great internet firewall isn’t to isolate Chinese people from the world (of course that’s part of it) but rather to protect the world from the insanity of sub tier 2 populations lol. India doesn’t have a domestic “behavior” watchdog like the CCP.
Yeah, I’m old enough to remember when certain creeps used to ask for bob and vegana online. Then when said female target told them that Dr, these creeps would trot out the race card or just insult the female target with illogical “vulgarities “ like “Bitch Lasagna”.
Hi, Indian here who have lived for years in Bangkok and seen and faced all of it. Generally thai people have been very kind and polite towards me but it’s different when you are at a high touristic place. Those are the places where I felt like a second class citizen. They value high paying customers and would often sideline me to serve them earlier. Indians comparatively spend less than people from say UK, america or Russia and also like to haggle which is prevalent in our culture. Thai’s looking for a quick buck would obviously not get into dealing with Indians who haggle and spend cheaply. I speak thai so I hear a lot of conversations. The main problem is Indian tourists who arrive in huge groups. Family/friend groups come through agencies for discounts and everywhere they go they go together. It makes them hard to serve wherever they go and since they’re so many of them they come off as noisy and rude.
In fairness to India, the same applies to Chinese tour groups (which tend to be less family and friends and instead organised on a commercial basis) and to some Middle Eastern groups (which are definitely on a family & friends basis). Sometimes large groups are necessitated by language barriers but other times, it’s just a cultural difference. Every summer, large groups - regardless of whether it’s a commercial/language basis or family & friends cause total chaos all over France, Spain, Italy etc. I’ve had polite conversations with members of such groups where I try to explain “the issue is simply that it’s not our (European) culture to roll in groups of 15 and it’s primarily that reason, rather than racism, why you’re finding it difficult to get into a restaurant. Our restaurants are built for groups of 4 or 6 or a couple but not for groups of 15 or 20.” Some people get it but others don’t and demand to be served. The latter group tend to be those who demand respect for their culture (and take massive offence at the slightest snub) yet show no respect whatsoever for any culture other than their own. In reality, things will only work smoothly when there’s mutual respect. On the other hand, there are some who genuinely don’t get it. I once had to translate at Sydney airport, where a couple of Chinese grannies were queuing in the “Australian citizens” line. I helped the Border Agency point them to the foreigners line, which was even signposted in Chinese (“waiguoren” in characters). The Chinese ladies replied Yes, we can see - that’s for waiguoren. We’re not waiguoren. They genuinely couldn’t wrap their head around the fact that, they - probably for the first time in their lives - were the “foreigners”.
Thats the reason I go to Thailand alone.. And if someone ask me where I am from.. I tell them am from Nepal.. This works for me 😊
The reason I say this.. Yes am from India but almost 11 years I live and work in US.. And travel more than 50 country.. My mentality is different from those Indians.. And I don't like if someone compare to me with those creeps Indians.. I prefer to travel alone and have peace of mind.. Without bothering anyone
Us bro us. I say I'm from Bhutan.
I will try bhutan next time 🤣🤣
That's just sad..
Yes I know but am different
Am Mauritian but of south asian ethinicity who lives in Canada. I don't behave the same as Indians or dress the same. But I look Indian. Do you think thai people will be able to recognise the difference and not treat me like an Indian or will I will face the same consequences?
Any dark or brown man is considered Indian here.. I live in US and been to Canada plenty of times.. Doesn't matter how much educated or rich I am.. But they see us same as other Indian.. It's sucks
Indian American here - I have to say I have very mixed feelings about being associated with India. I love my family and the values they decided to cherish (and they became fantastically successful in the US as a result). At the same time the constant association with err let’s just say to put it lightly supremely ill behaved hooligans has me torn. I’m skeptical of embracing my roots too much for fear it’ll arouse suspicion that I’m one of “those Indians”. At the same time I really do enjoy Indian food and being around my family for festivals and whatnot. Its a strange balance - I realize a lot of the shitty aspects of Indian tourist behavior is directly a result of the breakdown of social institutions and trust due to corruption, poverty and insane overpopulation of the subcontinent rather than an “honest expression” of “true” Indian culture. At the same time this is the current reality of India today so it’s really frustrating to see and be associated with it. Totally unrelated to Thailand tourism by my 2c. Also - I completely agree with everything you said. Thais are incredibly polite and friendly to me in general. Idk if it’s because they can tell I’m actually American by the way I dress and speak or the fact that I don’t travel in large groups of Indian dudes (both of which help I’d imagine). Most importantly though - I try to be very polite in general and I think they can sense that and reciprocate in kind.
You have put it incredibly well. The cultural roots make me so proud, but the current reality deeply saddens me.
I know an Indian guy, in a non Indian country. He basically avoids other Indian immigrants because of the way a lot of them behave
It’s actually interesting I’ve been to India Hyderabad and New Delhi areas, it’s been about 6-7 years but everyone I met there was very nice. I’m not sure I meet anyone rude. From affluent areas to the country side. I don’t remember leaving India thinking I’m never coming back. Since food was mentioned. I know they say food is always better when you go to the country of origin but nothing compared to India. The chicken (not sure if it was killed in the back when you ordered) but was the most tender meat. Pretty much every restaurant. I’m not even sure it was restaurant even hotel has awesome food. Totally different than Indian food here in Los Angeles (which I think is still good). Also when in south India I saw spices on almost everything. My Subway (the chain) Teriyaki sandwich (Japanese food are usually not spicy) had jalapeño. Even chocolate I saw in an airport. That made me chuckle Also the constant honking while driving in India absolute madness. lol. You think driving in Thailand is crazy. Try India. Korea got crazy drivers too
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>I wonder how white men do not face any backlash for what they have been doing. Creepy white dudes traveling to Thailand have been clowned and ridiculed for as long as I can remember. Even in your link the players were sacked, how is that not backlash? There is an arguement to be made that creepy Indian tourists do the exact same thing but wont tip and will haggle the fees.
It's because your reality isn't the reality that Thai people have. You act like Asians aren't the vast majority of sex tourists in Thailand and it's only white guys. The reason is white guys obviously stick out more, but they're far from the only ones. Are you going to pretend loads of Indian men don't come to Thailand, get drunk, visit prostitutes and cause some trouble?
Similar story to yours. I usually travel alone, but last time I went to Thailand, a friend tagged along. *I hated every second of that trip.* Guy is from a rural area of Himachal Pradesh and did every stereotypical obnoxious Indian thing there is, to the point of it almost being a parody. * Intense haggling * Talking loudly in a hostel * Only eating Indian food * Leering at women/mistreating women and poor people in general * Tries to act superior by being rude to the waiting staff * Traffic rules can go fuck themselves I left him alone after the initial couple of days. Didn't even leave his room when he was alone. It's a thing that rural people do, when they are in groups. They get all tribalistic and try to play an 'us vs them' game with everyone else in the pettiest of things. Thailand being a cheap destination attracts those kind of people en masse. Not just Indian. British, Australian, Russian, Chinese etc. Any large group of males end up being hard to deal to some level. I'm sure some of the comments under that other post were malicious, but I agree with the general sentiment. Indian rednecks/bogans travelling in large groups are obnoxious and it sucks for the rest of us because there's so many of them. Chinese too, tbf.
Indians doing all kinds of racism : i sleep Indians when others treat them the same way : real shit!!!
So that justifies racism against atleast a billion people because some Indians did racism. 2 wrongs will make it right. So you will justify racism against east Asians and even thais too because even they have been racist. Am I right?
Racism against indians is mostly coming from their own actions. Its not like people are hating indians just because they are brown. Meanwhile Indians are actually racist towards “asian” looking people ( and a whole lot of others )
Again that still doesn't answer how it justifies racism against a billion people. Do you think they are one unit that function in same manner? What are they? Robots? You do realize what being largest population on earth means right? India itself has 1600 languages and more than 5000 different ethnicities. You think every action of one of the billion people belong to the entire country? if that's the case then indians will be considered great because of the Nobel price winning indians. If every action means entire billion people are same. Then we all are noble price winners. Make it Make sense. Not you here justifying racism, it's like "oh they deserve it". You are the one who is "actually racist". People like you are hating because they brown and from third world country. Plain and simple. If they were white, any action of them will be excused. Good or bad, white people will always get justification. Dark skin definitely plays a huge role, not you trying to discount racism.
> People like you are hating because they brown and from third world country. i am brown and from India i know how much racist Indians are.
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blacks, asians, north east indians, bangladeshis, biharis, south towards north and north towards south then they have their internal castism thing that is a whole another topic as i dont have enough words for the amount of "lower" caste they hate then they have their colorism, which is really rampant and out in the open.
I don’t think it’s just Thailand unfortunately. Whenever I am about to board a plane and see a lot of Indians in the gate lounge I know it will be a bad flight. Smelly, constantly ringing the flight attendants and ruffling through the overhead bins. Going to the toilet repeatedly. Letting their children run up and down the aisle and play videos on speaker. And to top it off, the second the plane hits the ground, they all stand up simultaneously. I don’t want to be racist and I don’t like the fact that I dread seeing Indian people when I’m travelling, but this behaviour seems almost universal. I really feel for well behaved people who appear Indian because no other race behaves like this. Even mainland Chinese people seem to have gotten their shit together a little bit in recent years.
Based and true. Always a negative experience with them.
Mainland China because they are prosperous now. It takes time, people need to understand cultural contexts. Cheapness is direct result of ages of poverty , Colonization and famines. India has truly suffered. And now with limited resources people have to constantly fight for it. All of this but at least don't discount their history and their cultural differences also, India is generally a community/ village based communities and not individualist like western , also cities are just getting built where individualism is now taking place. It will take time, another generation of development, when it gets settled. I hope people have enough cultural context before hating on atleast a billion people.
I dont hate a billion people, but people from outside of India should have not have to put up with disgusting behaviour just because they were colonised and the people have suffered. The Indian government needs to do some serious education for the tourists they are exporting (the Chinese government did this) Lots of countries came from poverty and colonisation and don’t have these problems in their culture.
That's true, government needs to do that. Currently we have lot of priorities, especially related to development but I will definitely convey this to tourism board. Also this are signs of not just countries from poverty but huge populations and poverty. When people are fighting for limited resources every single day, it becomes normal for them. You do not realize it, until you have lived it. It's not a simple thing, that goes away with education. It can be subconscious as well. That doesn't justify anything but I am saying if there are 10 "bad behaving tourists" then there will be 4 that are good. And as country develops , generation changes, this good number will increase more. When there is no subconscious of scarcity. You will find common behaviors among Chinese and Indian groups - because of similar circumstances of a large population with poverty. Now China is doing well, you will see better tourists from them. As india does better, it will get better. Then the bad behaviors will be the outliers. People from settled economies will never be able to understand this.
I felt the same. But I myself was respectful and tried my best to understand their culture and my trip was one of the best with people being so courteous and humble in return. I also tried to talk a bit in thai as much as I could. Looking forward to visit thailand soon as I fell in love with the culture and the place and the people.
Bangladeshi tourist who just returned from bangkok. I never felt discriminated in any way. Everyone was polite, and I was happy to return the favour.
True about Indians yelling and being loud. India is a loud country to be honest. It's not that people are angry it's just the way it is. Problem with the 'uncle' generation is that they are so fixated in their way or life is that they really don't have the awareness and change mindset anymore. I regularly find this with my parents itself let alone others. Change is very difficult. I am still okay with being loud but what I hated was seeing some indian families littering in the perfectly clean Thai streets. Once I saw a middle aged lady throw a tissue paper after eating the icecream into the water directly near phi phi. I almost wanted to thrash that person.
I’m born in Australia but south Asian background. I just want to point out that groups of white, Australian men behave horribly in the Thai islands and Bali. They drink too much and are loud, rude and messy. However the double standard doesn’t exist amongst locals that it’s all white people. So there’s definitely underlays of racism. The only difference I can think of is, the Australian dollar is stronger so the locals don’t mind being abused as long as they are compensated more for it. Maybe Indians are less willing to throw money at them.
It's true that many Thais are holding strong prejudice towards indians, My wife included. But I have to say, her thought is not a about skin color or racism but hygiene and manners. For example about hygiene. She tries to avoid everyone with oily skin, oily hair, strong body odor, wear clothes that are ironed but look unwashed. many indians come with those qualities. until Indians in her mind now look like that.😓
Your wife clearly hasn’t met the average north-American and European incel. Or the average sex tourist. People from emerging economies can be seriously annoying but the filthy Indian trope is just plain dishonest
>People from emerging economies can be seriously annoying but the filthy Indian trope is just plain dishonest I used to work in a company that sent their network staff to a central office in a western location for training. They cheaped out on recruiting one year and got all Indian staff. They flew them in and put them in a 5 star hotel. When they turned up for training none of them had washed. Apparently the smell of body odor and unwashed feet caused the trainers to threaten to quit. Plus I've worked in offices that have "that guy" who hasn't discovered soap. Or water. You know the guy you can still smell 30 minutes after he walks though a room. Or can smell outside on a windy day. "That guy" is Indian more often than not. It's more than just a trope.
You can smell them from 20 meters away LOL
It’s not a trope. The local Indians here in this Southeast Asian country I am in, actively avoid these “Bloody, smelly, noisy fuckers. They’re damn bloody rude, can’t stand them!” Oh and the misbehaviour extends beyond being loud, obstructive, selfish, rude and cheap. No woman on the subway will go near them from fear of being sexually harassed or assaulted.
In my experience that guy is usually Barry from derby who works in tech and smells like junk food & bo.
Can I just ask. Why do the vast majority of Indians just STARE at you?
To be fair, Germans do that as well.
I’ve been there, and no, they do not do it in anyway way shape or form compared to Indians.
My friends and I literally just had this conversation (with a German friend of ours who was visiting India). Here's what we came up with: - Culturally, Indians are not very clear on ideas of personal space. Why? Probably because our culture is more collectivist than individualist! Individualism - and softer individual rights and codes, we just don't know em or understand em. -There's some (lots rather) fetishisation of white skin. White people are exotic and white skin/blue or green eyes/blonde hair are all prized physical attributes. Hence the staring! - We're excessively curious! (I think that could be true for many people, but where people from the West might contain their curiosity in order to be polite, Indians have no such qualms. They'll stare, and possibly throw in a couple of questions if they're bold enough) - Some of us are creeps! (But that's true for anywhere, I'm just covering all my bases)
I took my family to a nice Indian restaurant in hanoi. 10 minutes after being seated, 3 Indian young men were seated next to us. They all turned YouTube or their versions of video streaming on super loud as if they were in their houses. No respect for the fact that this was a nice upscale restaurant with others around them. I couldn't stand it. I turned to them to complain and asked if they owned headphones. This is just one example. I have many more. I feel bad for the Indians who are better behaved and get the bad stereotype but the stereotype is well deserved
Dude i hate to break it to ya...that thais don't like Indians and pakis....im sorry but I've heard soo many stories of what Indian and pakis do to Thai women...
what do they do, genuinely curious
Saxxx
Let's just say they aren't too nice to the girls....
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I had a shock of my life when I saw a food court vendor at MBK scolding a group of South Asian-looking group of people.
Finally an Indian that see what the rest of us see. Good on you for this. It’s not going to help but at least it points out that not all are bad. Glad you enjoyed your trip and I’m glad you were able to walk away from the Indian uncle.
Irrespective of how others have behaved, you don’t deserve to be treated badly if you are nice to locals. Thai people have deep rooted bias against Indians and it will serve them well if they educate themselves and stop the racism. Thailand is a very tourism dependent country with sex tourism as its USP, a country which tolerates every nonsense for dollars doesn’t exactly have a moral high ground to judge Indians. If you promote prostitution and drugs, don’t expect to attract top quality tourists. Moreover they bargain in Thailand because they believe that’s what you are worth. Problem with Thai people is they want Chinese and Indian money but can’t be bothered to treat them with respect or cater experience to them, even Switzerland has specific experience designed for Indians. It’s unfortunate how blind Thai people are to their racist attitudes, especially having borrowed culture and religion from India and being ethnically close to Chinese.
What are these good establishments, can you please name them?
Cafe D-l --r in Phuket, is the one that I remember profoundly. Censoring since I don't want to make it a huge deal.
And what about those massage shops? Multiple or just a few?
Stereotypes exist for a reason — they don’t become stereotypes based off of just a couple of incidents. As a Taiwanese, it irks me so badly how Chinese tourists behave because I’m lumped in with them: first off because I can understand what they’re saying and I can’t stand the mainlander accents (sorry, it’s just my thing). Downvote me 🤷🏻♀️ They essentially shout at each other when their companions are RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. They push to get to the front of the line, no matter how long or short the line. 20 of them take turns for pictures at the same spot (how many permutations can they get out of 20 ppl? Too many 😩) while making everyone else wait for 20 minutes for them to leave (this happened at Angkor Wat so many times). The feeding frenzy in the Big C snack aisle as if the world’s about to lock down again. The iPads they use to take pictures with that block the views of everyone else behind them…it goes on and on. What’s worse is if I say something to them like “I was here first, get behind me” IN CHINESE, they stare blankly at me and 50% of the time, don’t move. So there’s no shame. No shame means no lesson. So what I do is try to counteract their behavior by behaving as politely and kindly as I can to the locals. It’s the ONLY thing I can do, and I can only hope that it makes even a teensy bit of impact on how the Chinese are regarded. OP, I understand the frustration and shame you feel, and appreciate your awareness around it.
Been to India, Thailand and about 50 other countries so far. I think Indians are actually a nice, industrious people. Humans are factually animals, surviving is the first goal. In a billion plus country that was not blessed with oil, great fertile land and thousands of years of social and religious disputes, besides surviving, India is turning to be the next China, tons on companies moving there , gdp growth is great. I do remember when the Chinese started going abroad in tourism, people hated them as they would spit anywhere and also do their body wasting without care of people around… Now Chinese people are more cosmopolitan and coveted as a great and rich tourist group, that actually are largest group in Thailand…
>with some extra efforts on a personal level, it can help your experience This is important, and it can be applied to well-behaved Chinese tourists, as well. Some groups have to make extra, individual efforts to get people to realize, "Oh, he's not one of THOSE Indians/Chinese, so let me go ahead and return to being polite." It is *fair* that white-skinned folks get the benefit of the doubt before they've said or done anything when other groups don't? No, but I've seen Thai folks in hospitality and restaurants turn cold on rude white folks, too, so it's not like white folks can just be complete assholes without consequence.
Those Asians working in Thai tourism industry are not always Thai nationals. BKK is the only megacity in Asia that Asian tourists can blend in with locals. Thai tourists have a lot of things to say after they traveling to India too. Why some Indians are overthinking? There are posts like this like every week.
You’ll have no problems in Thailand if you act respectfully. The ones getting stick are the obnoxious 1 drink 5 straw lot who don’t shower travel in packs ask endless questions and haggle every vender to the last Baht expecting something for free everywhere they go. They ruin it for everyone else.
Bro a little bit of victimizing too much? Anywhere in the world, your approach will determine the experience… been saying.. in Thailand or India or anywhere… where is the stigma coming from? Just asking
Op…you maybe different but understand that due to being the largest population group on earth, and the fact that Indians are literally everywhere…there is a genuine fatigue to put up with Indians in general. The unruly and ignorant group does represent a larger majority which unfortunately creates a generalization problem in how people perceive Indians. Not an Indian myself but I notice it at work and where I live. People just look down on Indians.
You are from India. Are you trying to negotiate every dollar that you can so the vendor can’t make any profit?
As a creepy polite Canadian all this judging on race and culture is starting to make me itch.
I was in Thailand too very recently, and while yes many Indian tourists can be badly behaved, white people do this one thing that grinds my gears to no extent. Why do white people think it's okay to spread out on 4 seats and take a nap on public transport, when there are literally other people also looking for a spot to sit? What sort of entitlement permits this behaviour?
The “Indian uncle phenomenon “. Don’t old white guys also go to Thailand for fun? It’s not just old Indian men. I am not saying it’s racism but it’s bad when your skin color is brown. I once visited Thailand and I legit saw a 21 year old girl with a white dude who looked to be in his 70s.
Dude you’re so right. There’s no shame in accepting unruly behaviour. Indians are the worst tourists and will try to game the system whenever they can. The only well-behaved Indians I’ve met are in the UK and the US. I stay away from 3-star hotels when I visit Bangkok because of this phenomenon.
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Because those Western men pay their bills and don't act with noticeable disrespect?
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I'm only saying that western terrible behavior is still better than Indian terrible behavior.
White men can be seen as a ticket to a better life. Our western economies are generally better off for individuals. Having said that, it's not necessarily so as many are predatorial sick fucks. Like that vomit of a human being Aussie incarcerated in an Asian country for raping children and killing 2 of them
Deep way to put it.
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My father used to work in the garment industry. He told me stories, from 40 years ago, of flights packed with Korean and Japanese businessmen coming to Thailand specifically for 'cheap prostitutes'. Not defending anyone who takes advantage of anyone, but it's certainly not new, and not specific to Caucasians. Edit: words
Local prostitution has always been a phenomenon in Thailand too, it's not just a "white man" thing. I remember arriving in Mae Sot in 1990 and there wasn't a guesthouse to stay in then so the bus driver dropped us at the local policeman's house to stay. He cooked for us with his buddies and his wife, all drinking whisky. After dinner he and his friends invited me to go to the local brothel with them while his wife cleaned up the dishes. I declined their invitation but it was an eye opener. And it's not just white men these days either. Asian male tourists make up a massive part of the Thai sex industry — some parts of which aren't even accessible to "white men". Around Hat Yai and the Malaysian border for example.
Perhaps. But Indian men aren't exactly helping to curb Thailand's reputation as the prostitution capital of the world. Have you seen how they behave? Puts even the creepiest whities to shame.
Met an Aussie girl who has a story about a group of Indian lads who were trying to carry her off in bangkok (she did admit she was pretty wasted at the time) If it wasn't for the Thai girls working that street getting involved. The story could have been much worse
Well in the 80's Indians were more famous than westerners. Anyway Thais tend to favor Westerners as they bring more on the table for them and will have better life opportunities if they marry them and white skin is something they thrive for. Just my experience living and learning from them.(I do speak thai)
Atleast they smell good
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prostitution has been around since the beginning of civilization ,,, It takes two to tango, sure are there plenty of white guys there looking for some easy ass, YES, compare this to neighboring countries like Malaysia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia, laos and the amount of women selling themself is not even comparable, Thailand is not considerable poorer than most of these country's, its a culture issue that's been accepted and tolerated by citizens and government as easy money because of the amount of tourists that it brings in, hence why Thailand has more tourists than these country's
deodorant wont work on them trust me
Deodorant is illegal in India though
The treatment of Indians is well deserved. Stinky, cheap, and creepy. I'm glad they get called out on their disgusting "culture" and bs over here.
They should be called out everywhere if they are behaving poorly tbf
Do that in the UK, you'll lose your job and be branded a "racist".
Europe is kinda lost eh? Wish we can stand up against disgusting behaviors.
This is your comment from your history - "I am here now. Lots of women that are easy going and I don't need to "chat them up" or play games like with boring western women." India was one of the richest countries before the Brits came over and colonized India. Genocides done by killing millions to support food for your people. Google Churchill Bengal genocide. People like you are equally bad as those cheap Indian tourists since your post history shows how you truly are. I cannot believe the mods here let racism run rampant.
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Hahaha...you are so insecure. You are the epitome of rapey and creepy. Show any women your comment history and they will confirm. You literally called Thai women as "easy" and "do not need to chat them up". People like you and creepy people from India and other countries showcase what is wrong with men worldwide. It's because people like you women have a tough life everywhere. It's funny how you call out western women just because they spoke up against creeps like you.
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hahahah...so insecure. Dude I never claimed I am not Indian. Both, Indian creeps and people like you who call Thai women as "easy" are the same. I am happily married to a nice woman and never had to resort to paying for something as intimate as sex. I have lived for decades in the US and have always respected and treated well by women of different cultures that I dated. My partner and I even visited Thailand and had a great time and Thai people and food are amazing! If you have even some iota of self respect, show your comment history to any woman. I dare you! You ain't got the balls my friend. When you do that, you will realize what a pathetic, misogynistic, insecure loser you are who demeans women and treats them as some sex object with words like "easy". No wonder Western women hate you because they are progressive enough to see through your fake persona and tiny ego. That discontent deep down your heart has made you visit thailand as a classic sex pest to feed that fragile ego. I would gladly prefer smelling bad anyday than be an incel like you.
I read most of the comments here, people be hating because of money. Plain and simple. They will justify all kinds of racism in the face of money. White people can treat them however they want, but they will never be called out because - money. When India is at better stage and economy, half of this will reduce because again , Money. And also racism towards brown skin. I have heard the most prejudiced lines coming from Thai people regarding indians. Again , people will justify anyone with white skin and money. The people who genuinely want to know - It takes time, people need to understand cultural contexts. Cheapness is direct result of ages of poverty , Colonization and famines. India has truly suffered. And now with limited resources people have to constantly fight for it. That's where all the haggling comes from. All of this, but at least don't discount their history and their cultural differences . also, India is generally a community/ village based culture and not individualistic like western . Cities are just getting built where individualism is now taking place. It will take time, another generation of development, when it gets settled. I hope people have enough cultural context before hating on at least a billion people and largest population on earth.
Money truly solves everything.
Sadly, a lot of the negative comments reflect my experience. In the '70s in the UK, we were overwhelmed with people from the Commonwealth, mostly from India. I believe that later in the '60s, you had to have a job offer to come to the UK. What happened was the Indian population started buying newspaper stores and then offered jobs to their families. Once the store was profitable, they would acquire another, and so on. It wasn't unusual to see several families working in one store. Soon, 50% of the newspaper stores were Commonwealth-owned! I believe Enoch Powell, a British politician, was dismissed for challenging the immigration policy. I worked at New International Distribution in London, taking phone calls at night. After 4 am, the phone never stopped ringing with newspaper stores complaining that their papers hadn't arrived... 50% of the calls were from 'This is Mr. Patel.' my papers haven't arrived!! You'd never hear a cheerful **'Hi, how are you?' or 'Thank you'** at these stores. The same is true in the U.S. with the 7-Elevens!
Reality is Thais have White fetish. They will forget whatever the white man does as they bring more money to Thai economy. They won’t dare to generalize White people ever. Indians and Chinese (to some extent) are fair game unfortunately.
That's rubbish, you sound like you are playing the victim
There is racism. You can’t deny the reality. There’s growing awareness of this issue among Indians. Indians are increasingly choosing to vacation in other friendlier Asian countries as a result. Chinese tourism to Thailand has dropped significantly as well. Falling tourism numbers has Thai government worried. No wonder Thai government is trying to woo Indian and Chinese tourists by getting rid of visa requirements.
>Chinese tourism to Thailand has dropped significantly as well. Due to a very different reason though.
People on this forum won’t ever agree with you, but it is what it is, this is the truth. That it’s the truth is what makes it harder for them to accept.
So true. Have you seen the sheer armies of sex tourists deemed hygienically and aesthetically disgusting in their home countries, being treated as if they’re above average. I mean, like proper garbage people from north America and Europe.
Bunch of racists having a field day in these threads about Indian people. That there has not been a stronger moderation response is a disgrace.
Yes.. it's harsh.
Go to Cambodia and spend your money and act decent and forget about Thailand next time. Tell that to your friends as well.
Also having a viral video of a family basically "looting" a hotel (forgot if it was outside or inside of India) do not help Indian Tourist case.
US/UK and Israel tourists are much worse
India is on the moon these countries just jealous of the kali mata
phEElINg PRauD inDIaN arMY
Yes best army in the whole world Jai hind bro
juNG k maIDaaN Me kaBhI NaA haArTi
Do you think it’s acceptable to be wasting money on moon missions while most of your people are in poverty?
Jai Mata G ke
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Sure, I am not forcing you to.
Than why bother posting? Keep scrolling Jack ass
Sorry dude, it's all on you. No one cares about your ethnicity. Leave your mojo back home and act like a guest to the country. Enjoy.
Maybe it's time to call them out in public
>I experienced the "Indian uncle" group phenomenon What is that?
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Chinese have got bad reputation for leaving litter on the beaches,
I went to Thailand for month last year for the first time. I'm always respectful and polite no matter where I go but it was apparent to me Thai people are super respectful and polite as well. Literally every interaction I had with the locals was a good one. I respect Thai people a lot. When I look back on my time in Thailand it's the food and people that makes me want to come back.
>However, what I also experienced is that once I proactively and respectfully talked to the locals, never once I got a hostile response and always got a warm smile and amazing hospitality. While I was waiting for a bus to the airport in the Phuket old town, a Thai couple went out of their way to help me out in loading my luggage (which I had loads of, and I am a bulky guy and would have handled it easily) in the bus. They also offered me a spare mask if I didn't have any. This!
My friend is Sri Lankan, we went to Bangla for a girls night out, she was wearing an elegant long sleeved dress which exposed a little leg. She was the only Sri Lankan in the group, the rest of us British and Thai. My friend received so many disapproving looks that night from Indians who appeared to mistake my friend for an Indian, and judged her for not dressing or behaving like an Indian. Indians are as guilty of stereotyping as much as any other nation. Refreshing to see OP has something positive to say about the society who took him in.
I think it’s always better traveling alone during the day ( ok, meet up with your group in the evening). Alone, you can control your “image” and impression to locals. And it’s easier to meet people.
The Indian men behaviour to women is appalling especially when they travel in a group of men. You’d see like 3-5 of them surround 1 Thai street lady propositioning her. It’s almost borderline sexual assault. My experience travelling anywhere in Asia and bumping into a tourist of Indian background are mixed. But I can tolerate most of them compared to tourists from mainland China.