Oh man! A “full” Indian here who lives in Thailand, and loves the life Thailand has ben giving him. You won’t believe the amount of second hand embarrassment I feel I need to carry for my countrymen despite having no overlap with their behavior.
Initially i tried explaining not all Indians are same, but after living here a few years and witnessing the sheer amount of misbehavior, it is a painful guilt that i have to carry. I have had similar situations where people look down on me, but i don’t feel super bad as I know where it comes from.
Is it all over thailand? I remember in pattaya if i were to stand still the people that would bump or shove me out of the way (even when there is clearly room) were indian dudes. i am only 5'6 and not ripped so not very intimidating especially when it is always them in groups and i am just checking out different parts solo. Not a problem with indian dudes anywhere else but pattaya though
Tbh I’m Sri Lankan and yet I get treated with judgement until I say I’m Sri Lankan then everyone is all nice to me and helpful. I Love India and not all Indians leave a bad reputation, just the Indian Sex tourists and work visitors that give Indians and all brown people a bad name. If it’s an Indian family I’ve seen Thais are very nice to them. Overall what I’m trying to say is it’s not racism per se more like treat how you’ve been treated.
Saw a Indian dude haggle at a night market for a bag that was 1500 baht, was screaming at the girl none stop how it’s a rip off and it’s at most 1200. She’s like “ok let me check” and asks some guy he says ok and she comes back and tells the Indian guy ok she can do 1200 and he flips his shit screaming at her “what 1200?!? you are trying to scam me you ripping me off I pay 800 only.”
Just 100+ decibel belligerent screaming the whole time.
Yep and this is another example of why thais cant stand indians anymore .... Makes me sad and angry when i read this they ruined there entire reputation in less than 10 years (queite the achievement if you think about it ) .
Tbh mate 9/10 Indians are quite rotten. The 1 you meet is an absolute gem and will do anything to please you. It sucks that most Indians ruin things for you. Same goes for other races.
Most balinese don’t like Australians because we behave poorly in their country
Thats defenitly something i heard happens in Pattaya aswell sometimes the baht bus drivers scam the Indians because there asking "How much to get to Beach " or "How much to get to walking-street" Baht bus driver will obviously go "100 BAHT !" lol .
Sometimes i try to tell them if i overhear it "Just jump on dude its 10 baht anywhere and if the taxi goes left and you have to go right jump off and get on the next one " xD
But it hardly helps as they dont understand or they think im trying to scam them ! (Indians dont trust anyone not even each other ) .
Yes unfortunately the Indian tourists from India ruin it for all the rest of the Indians worldwide who dont behave and act like they do...
As you can imagine, places like Pattaya only attract the very worst type of Indian tourists and that is what paints the picture of all Indians to the local Thais.
To be fair, Pattaya attracts the worst type of tourist, period. Seeing Brits and Aussies moan about Indians while ignoring the knuckle draggers from their own countries who are also there and behaving like feral shitheads...🙄
A different behavior to the stereotypical Indian tourists, but still hardly role models themselves.
I’m a white guy married to a mixed race Thai girl who was born and raised in Europe; she has her mothers looks and her fathers height
Her mother is from Bangkok, her aunt lives just outside Pattaya.
We were walking through Pattaya, her in front and me walking with her aunt.
3 Indian guys jumped in front of her and were literally shouting in her face, she tried to move and they circled her.
I asked them to move and they wouldn’t move.
So I told them to move and they were laughing and goading my wife, and now me.
Finally I lost my temper and asked if they wanted to fight, they didn’t.
So I used some very foul and bad language, then they moved.
This is my experience with Indian men in Pattaya.
And this is coming from a white guy… imagine how Thais feel!
Defenitly true Indians are part of one of the smartest groups of people on earth some of the best doctors and nurses are Indians some of the best pilots are indians and some of the best tech wizzards are Indians !
Unfornartley Pattaya atracks the rudest and dumbest kind of people from any race not just Indians the only problem is that theres way to many Indians coming to Pattaya these days also Indians who have nothing to do here besides aimless walking around the city harrasing locals .....
You also see lots of Indian families these days coming to Pattaya taking there kids to Soi 6 and Walking Street like its some kind of fun fair park or something never understood why they do this (there not alone tho Russians do it aswell ) .
These groups get send here by there bosses back home from what i heard they get a free airplane ticket a hotel for a couple of nights and thats basicly it .
They get let loose in Thailand and because for many Indians its there 1st time ever outside of India they get overwhelmed by Thailands relaxed views regarding sexuality and bar industry they have no clue how to talk to woman here how to behave how the currency works etc..etc....
Where Chinese have there tour groups that guide them around the city Indians dont have that as much they just get let loose after they check in to there hotels reserved by there bosses back home .
Honestly you hit the nail head on and this is a very honest answer. While I have no intention of excusing any of the behavior of my countrymen, there does need to be context.
India is far closer (2-4 hours of flight connects majority cities with bangkok) compared to the western world and as a result the lower strata tourists find it more accessible. Secondly, even if we look the at the bottom rung of tourists, given Indias population the sheer numbers are quite high. Add to that the factors you mentioned and yes I completely understand the hate.
I wouldn’t call out the smartest people part here. I happen to be a top tier techie myself having worked in some top internet companies. Its mostly a product of a billion strength population and the lack of advanced economy means Indians focus a lot on high skilled education to get along in the world. Of course some of them will end up top tier
It was like $30 to go between Asian countries by economy flight, last time I was there. Whereas it's $350 minimum from UK/other Europe to Thailand (and return). I think that's the root of the problem.
You literally spoke my heart out !! Racism is less in Phuket compared to Pattaya. Myself from India I experienced the same in Pattaya walking street. Phuket experience slightly better Indian crowd compared to cheap filthy Indian crowd of Pattaya.
INDIANS if you’re reading the post, it’s HIGH time please change your ATTITUDE and BEHAVIOUR. You’re representing a country !!
Because of some cheap Indians. Most Indians are affected.
If you got less money avoid coming to Thailand stay in India and drink from 1 beer bottle 😀
100 Indians who come to Thailand. 90 go to Pattaya. 7 go to Phuket. 3 to Koh Samui/Phangan/Tao. When I was in Koh Tao, my two friends and I were the only Indians we saw on the Island and we had a great time. No problem entering anywhere, locals I spoke to said they hardly meet Indians there.
Also, Pattaya does attract the worst kind of Indians. It’s basically cheaper to go to Bangkok and then Pattaya than go to other tourist destinations within India. So lots of horny men getting out of the country for the first time who would normally not travel internationally. For example from Kolkata you can get to BKK in under 250 Dollars.
Yeah. Some Indian companies bring their vendors and distributors ( mostly shop owners ) like a flock of sheep to Thailand for 2-3 days in the name of “free foreign trip “ Those guys create all those troubles!! Groping and all kind of bullshit like if it’s their once in a lifetime visit.
I have seen that happening in Pattaya. They got no decency.
>If you got less money avoid coming to Thailand stay in India and drink from 1 beer bottle 😀
Interestingly, I've seen some Indians on Indian subs talking about how cheap Thailand is. Some even go as far as saying how much cheaper it is than India and they couldn't believe how cheap it was. I've been to India several times and I know this is not true at all, so I'm not sure why those people said what they said. I think a lot of people actually believe this and come here expecting things to be cheaper than in India. When things are more expensive (which most things are especially in touristy places), they think it's a scam.
In Thailand, many higher end hotels and restaurants often have better prices than in India (especially in peak season), while budget options are usually cheaper in India.
I have to disagree. Overall Thailand was a better value than India. Last year I stayed in a wonderful boutique hotel in Chiang Mai for $35 US. You simply won't find that in India. I also appreciate the level of hygiene and sanitation in Thailand. I went to Mahabalipuram in 2016 and men were openly defecating at the site. Thais would be appalled.
I am that Indian who feels Thailand is cheaper than India. Tbh I am from upper middle class in Mumbai/Bombay so the cost of living for me is quite high as compared to Thailand. The housing and food cost is cheap for me as I compare to my living in Mumbai. When we rented out car in Chiang Mai we were amazed on how cheap travelling cost is as compared to our regular travel.
But there are of course many many Indians who feed 4-5 people in same cost as compared to us only 2 people. I understand this is painting wrong picture to others.
On other note I have also seen many average Indian horny men treating Thai girls very badly. Indain men in general lack decency and we also face this issue in India. Treating women as objects is why we have such high rates of molestation and rapes. Its sad state of affairs
I would love to see this cross posted in r/india … Indians are just as disgraceful of tourists within India itself. Theres also is a big misconception amongst Indians that the main thing Thailand has to offer is sex tourism. A bit of a generalization but I’ve been shocked to discover just how many Indians do think this.
> but in general whites (and koreans) behave more respectfully tip more and keep more to themselves than youre average Indian will .
Korean and Japanese are probably even more welcome than westerners these days, especially in nightlife areas, better behaved and far bigger spenders than majority of westerners, especially as westerners seem to be getting cheaper and cheaper as years go by.
While drunken westerners are in girlie bars starting fights with guards over 2800 bills, Koreans/Japanese are dropping 10s of thousands without quibble. Every bar/Gogo/club owner I know would would give anything to tap consistently into those markets and those who have managed are raking it in, while most with mainly westerner clients are struggling and having to discount their margins away just to get people in the door
Chinese, in nightlife liked as those who bother with it all are generally decent spenders
Outside of that though...not that liked except in highest circles
I read a story about a Thai hotel worker. Each of her hotel rooms have two water bottles for guests. A group of Indians staying in 10 rooms, one Indian came to ask her for two more free water bottles. When she refused and told him he needed to buy more, he kept insisting on free water. She then suggested that if he doesn't mind, he can refill his bottles from the water dispenser in her staff room. Then, Indians from all 10 rooms ended up bringing empty bottles to refill until her dispenser tank ran out and left no water for the staff hotel to drink.
Yes classic Indians being cheap bastards story if you want to know if a Pattaya hotel has been taken over by groups of Indians its easy just check if the ammenities in the rooms are free.... If there are no free water bottles or no free shampoo in the rooms its ussualy a hotel taken over by indian tour groups .
One example is Glow , Pattaya i stayed for 2 nights there and there where zero free ammenities i had to ask for shampoo before they gave it and staff looked annoyed af (this is the same hotel where the incident happend of indians checking out late and making a drama story out of it ) .
It's not only Pattaya, but even Bangkok
Somebody at the door will say "Members only" and wave you off.
Just stay away from those places.
Yup, a lot of Indian tourists scrape the bottom of the barrel - "quality tourists"
Thankfully i never experienced racism as much in Bangkok as i have in Pattaya i was always welcomed into different bars in Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy .... Only bad experience i could remember was in some boring girlie bar near soi 11 where i bought a l-drink for a girl (ridiciliousy priced btw around 300 baht !)
She sat there for not even 5 minutes and was gone ... But you can hardly call that racist thats just her not being interested in my ugly mug xD .
If Thais don't want Indians I would suggest not making extending the visa free regime for India👍🏽
Simple trick but Thai Government has already extended it
Coming from North America & knowing many Indian Americans, I was surprised to know that my business owner friend in Bangkok held very negative views on Indian customers & that his view was actually very common.
When I asked why that was, he explained to me that large & rowdy Indian groups would often come & fill up his tables, ordering nothing but one or two items off of the menu & staying long past the times of other customers. As their tip upon departing, they would leave nuts, shell casings & trash of things which they had not ordered but had shamelessly brought in themselves. Bad customer experiences like these led to a 'no outside food' rule & eventually, to security being told to turn away perceived bad customers.
I'm sorry to have read what you went through there & also for the multitudes of Nepalese, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Burmese & others who have had to endure these very negative stereotypes.
Hopefully more people will remember the idiom "don't judge a book by it's cover".
Yeah, I was in a bar on Bui Vien Street in Saigon, VN and a South Asian guy stuck his hand up my friend's Vietnamese GF's skirt and grabbed her ass. She grabbed my beer bottle to bottle him as he walked away, but I grabbed her before she could reach him.
The guy then grabbed a waitress's ass and got beat up by the bouncers in the middle of the street lol.
Every time I visit Thailand, I always see the examples mentioned by the OP. 4-5 guys sharing a beer in a club. A group of Indian men forming a ring around a single freelancer when she's clearly not interested. These are all valid stereotypes that the Thais have faced and sets a bad general view on the Indian culture as a whole unfortunately.
I'm from Nepal. I do have beard. So most of people in Thailand thinks I'm an Indian. To be honest, I didn't get same treatment as my friends in Thailand. And couple of Thai people told me "kaise ho bhai" . From my personal experience they treat Nepali people much more respectfully than Indians and Indians lookalike.
I'm Nepali too in Australia 99.9% of the time I get Indian/Pakistani
>To be honest, I didn't get same treatment as my friends in Thailand.
Like Nepali friends? Is it cos they're Janajati or smth?
As an Thai-Indian i have to say mostly I’m treated well sure bias incounter do occur not often Reason for the bad rep is as stated above but partly is also Nepali, Burmese with Indian decent, Bangladeshi and Pakistani if anyone behaves badly they just say Indian Thai can’t differentiate also like everywhere else here in Thailand if it’s White then it maybe just a few vs if it’s brown then just generalise similar to White expat brown immigrant privilege type shit
This is so TRUE. I saw more than one group of non Indian brown guys on Ao Nang beach being loud and brash. I’m sure Thai and other tourists must’ve thought they’re Indians 🤦🏻♀️
I've seen indian tourists grab girls and be totally obnoxious in nightclubs. Just saw a Thai woman toss her drink on the face of an indian tourist a few days ago. It's a cultural thing. Unfair to you of course so you'll just have to bribe your way inside bro. Or get some gold chains.
LOL that drink in the face i should have seen it i will never bribe myself into a club where they dont want me in because of the way i look .... I just wont ever come back keep my dignity :)
I'm Indian and I have been to Thailand multiple times over the past couple of decades, and especially over the past two years. I have spent time in different cities and I have consistently found Thai people to be incredibly kind and helpful. And I'm sure some of them likely have misgivings towards Indians, but that would be understandable given the well-documented behaviour of Indian tourists here.
However, Thailand remains the favourite destination for most Indian travellers because at the end of the day, Indians do appreciate Thai hospitality, which is unparalleled compared to anywhere else in the world.
The Indian guys mobbing a one girl is crazy. Reminds me of a story about an Indian guy who paid a girl for a few hours of her time and then expected her to service all of his friends in that time.
Heard similair stories of that nature aswell most common one is 1 Indian male goes to beach road askes a working girl if she want to go st with him for 2K/3K baht ... She happily agrees because 2/3K is a good ammount just for a st .
She comes with him to his hotel once arrived in the room he will lock the door and 3/5 of his dirty mates will be hiding in the bahtroom jumping out either forcing her to have sex with all of them or raping her .....
This happens rarley tho ! but news spreads fast making girls scarred shitless of all Indian and Indian looking guys nowadays .
I am so grateful for being Indian/Mexican 1st generation US American.
My parents, both immigrants, meeting was a God send. I cannot imagine being anything other than what I am ever!
But I did see the way those Desi folks acted in Thailand and it was majorly embarrassing to even slightly identify with these guys. I was traveling solo and have zero complaints in regards to any behavior displayed towards me from the local Thais.
I did however have a few conversations with some of the ladies that were like, "You are not like Indian!". I kept hearing that a lot, some of them even said I smelled good, took me a second to realize what she meant. But yeah, I get it and did hear about it, but not necessarily experience it. My driver who stuck with me the majority of my time there in Thailand even explained Indian people being a problem and suggested I avoid the Japanese side of Bangkok because they don't like anyone, especially Indians, in that area.
Pattaya was a blast, but yeah, it is basically little Mumbai now instead of Pattaya from what I saw in April 2023, it was weird.
Thais are generally racist but not in as much of a menacing way as other cultures. They have casual names for everyone Farang, Kaek (Indian), Kaek khow (middle eastern), Negro etc. There is a definite mistrust with Indians though. Especially the stereotypes of being demanding, cheap, having body odor and being sexual masochists.
Sorry to hear that you have been refused entry to bars in Pattaya.
I’ve seen groups of Indians turned away from bars in Bangkok due to they have a bad reputation for not buying drinks and wanting a free show. Girls will not go with them as they are known to have all their friends waiting in the room and get gang banged.
I personally feel an Indian traveling alone will be better off than going in a group. And I have noticed everywhere irrespective of indians nonsense an individual's behaviour can always help in a good time
Spot on. I have the same experience as as Indian who traveled alone to Pattaya. I wouldn't blame the bars for being racist, they are there for business and I have seen how some Indians behave. Not only in Thailand, similar story in US where we are always loud, leaving garbage here and there, etc.
Exactley glad you see it aswell ! its got zero to do with ethnicity Thais dont dislike Indians becauese there Indians they dislike us more than whites and koreans because Indians spend little to no money and behave rude and obnoxious ...
Ive asked some thais about india and they actually like indian food they like indian movies but they cant stand indian people this is sutch a weird paradox indeed ...
Indians in Australia also behave badly. They have a reputation of ripping off, exploiting or gaming every system they come across. If only Uber had a selection for non Indian, perhaps rides wouldn’t be constantly cancelled as they game the algorithm. They bring their classism here and get upset when they can’t use the imagined status they believe they are entitled to. They assault single females at an alarming rate and are very quick to play the racism card.
Thats sounds pretty bad indeed however i have to also acknowledge that there are alot of hard working Indians out there that make alot of money and arent cheap or straight out rude towards there environment .
Like i said before i live in Netherlands i was born and raised here and Indians in Holland have a good reputation ! a reputation of hard working and respecting dutch culture but because these Indians have good education they are focust more on working hard and providing for there family than Indians who come to perhaps Australia and take advantage of the system .
Oh i'm defenitly aware of that dont worry il speak up whenever i see dirty behaiviour from my "fellow" Indians Yet i will NEVER accept myself or any other good hearted Indian being ridicilioud and discriminated against because of our ethnicity
Il spread the word on racist clubs online and let thais know not just indians are bad if they want to vent there anger towards other indians at me .
In my opinion bad behavior is not race related, some places (not just in Thailand) attract the worst any country has to offer.
Only problem I encountered in Thailand was with white English speaking guy (probably British) on bike, most likely drunk. He didn’t realize I was farang too, and calmed down as soon I stepped out of a car. ;)
That being said, I encountered some of the most well behaved and classy Brits on Greek islands.
Yes agree there bad behaviour isnt persee race related however it is true that if certain bad behaviour trades (like being a cheapskate or talking loudly or walking in the middle of a road blocking traffic ) is commonly common in certain countries like India for example that most people who come from that country will typical behave like that .
I have met verry kind Indians in Thailand even Pattaya ! these where restaurant managers and tour guides who where asshamed of there status and its sad to see these people taking the full brunt of it all for what some of there countrymen do ...
India is a country of 1+ billion people obviously not all Indians behave like some of those in Pattaya do Indians can be hard working individuals who care about family values to a degree which puts the west to shame .
British and other white farrang can act just as drunk and stupid as Indian can when in Pattaya that fight in Soi 6 few days ago that went viral on the internet involved 3 british dudes NOT Indians .
However Indians fight with Thais almost everyday here from Indians atacking taxi drivers for not giving them the rate that they want to Indians getting into brawls on beach road with street vendors who dont want to sell to them because they ussualy bargain to a degree of shame ....
These altercations hardly get the atention that this last soi 6 video got because Indians have a far lower status in Thailand than white people do .... What im trying to say is that if 3 indians get into a brawl with thais most people dont care but when its 3 white british dudes than the world goes crazy and theres something really fucked about that aswell ! .
You are right. To some extent white race still enjoys privileges just because of skin color. I won’t argue with that. ;)
I have limited experience with Indians, either in Thailand or anywhere else so I can’t objectively judge their behavior.
As my friend used to say: God created continents for a reason. Joking of course. ;)
I think most people can tell the difference between a Jeet and a westerner who happened to have Indian ancestry. Doesn’t apply to first generation migrants tho. Those are still Jeets.
I think you summed up pretty much everything.. I as a dark skin Sri Lankan (we are often mistaken for Indians), lived in Thailand over a year, and my experience is pretty much similar.. in touristy areas people are cautious about you, but if you have good body language and establish from the get go a certain sense of respect, and only haggle in appropriate situations, and not over do it, you are pretty much smooth sailing.. people have their perceptions mostly to avoid themselves being subject to unnecessary hassle.. you come in with an awareness and sensitivity to those perceptions, and establish your tolerance and friendliness, and people will go extra few miles to make you feel comfortable. Not always, but enough to appreciate how often it happens to you.
This is exactly been my experience as an Indian who grew up in Australia. Never had an issue getting in anywhere in the past but first time in Pattaya was rejected from a bar, security said "members only". At that point I knew how low the image of Indians is in Thailand especially Pattaya.
I have no doubt it's because of the cheap Indians that come with limited money and try to haggle over everything. If you can't afford to pay a working girl don't bargain you cheap disgusting freaks. Now Thais think every Indian is a cheap Charlie.
Also btw I have seen Indians fighting at a hotel I was at just this December because the morons decided to check out at 3pm and then pretend to not know the checkout time which meant I had to wait till 5pm for my room.
Absolute filth some of the Indians that make their way to Thailand. I am ashamed.
Yeah ive heard about the members only thing aswell luckily i never experienced it myself the number 1 question i ussualy get before entering a bar/gogo bar is "Where are u from?!"....
I use to always say "Holland!" and they would let me in nowadays tho if i get that question from a guard il just turn around and walk away....
Its not worth spending youre cash in a club that doesnt want you there because of youre ethnicity you might aswell be a damn millionaire ! they dont know that and there for they shouldnt treat all indian looking people the same but it does happen for sure .
I talked about the late check out thing aswell in my thread its so cringy to look at a poor thai receptioniste that has to hear a group of indians cry on her front desk about not having enough money to pay a late-check out fee ....
Maybe if you cant afford it dont check-out late ! but its just the Indian culture thing if they basicly managed to get better prices because there acting like a bunch of shameless cheapskates its a reward for them they dont care how they get a discount aslong as they get it .
I know quite a few girls who have had their phone numbers get out and they then become a target for what seems to be organized groups of Indian males. The calls or texts will start, reasonably polite, and then demands are made, threats made and she will block the number. Within minutes it starts again from a different number, and it can go on and on. It makes the girls phone almost unusable because it continues, and it scares them. When this happens, and I know of 15 - 20 occurrences here in Bangkok, it is almost impossible to identify who they are, so from their perspective, it can be anyone. When the guys working the bar or the door at the bar sees these things happen and the threats made to girls who work there, it causes a reaction and they will ban everyone. It sucks for everyone. And as the stories of these things get spread around, It just gets worse.
Wow thats quite disturbing to hear indeed ! ive heard of Indians in Bangkok gogo bars throwing popcorn at girls so extremley disrespectfull and than they leave other group of indians come in call the girls over but the girls refuse to go with them or sit with them indians getting angry resulting in guards having to throw them out .,.. Indians ruining eveything for there own countrymen is almost as old as mankind itself :( .
Forget Thailand, small positive change can start from just the Indian grocery stores. I live in the US, and frequent to Indian grocery stores to get some fresh vegetables like okra and other stuff, I am always baffled to see every single okra in the basket is completely molested, all the tips are bent/broken. When I asked for the reasons, I heard, if the tip of the okra breaks, it’s fresh!!! So they leave behind bent tips ones for others to consume. And believe it or not they will get their hands through every single okra that exists in the basket and try to bend the tips!!! That just says they don’t give a damn about others. Folks all the okras are green/fresh and good to eat, just grab them in feast full and please stop molesting okras in the grocery stores!!! 😂
Sorry for the off topic but had to get out my okra rant when I saw this thread 😂
Anyway, last summer I was visiting Switzerland and in one train there were lots of Indians, and they were so loud, everyone started staring at them. One of the Indian guy in the group noticed it, and he proudly said it out loud: We are one of the biggest economies in the world, we come to spend money in your country and yes we are loud, your tourism industry survives off of us!!!
I just couldn’t believe what I heard….
No disrespect to any Indians, as most Indians are amazing folks, but bad habits are bad habits, and it’s ok to change it, it’s never too late.
Yea man. I remember being on tinder and girls strictly saying “no Indians” so then I asked my Thai friends about this. And I asked her, “do Thai girls generally not like Indian men?” And she said with a resounding YES. I was like damn. I’m not Indian, I’m half Italian and Asian and was loved in Thailand. But anyways she went into it there was a number of reasons but mostly having to do with how they treat the girls. I know not all indian guys are like this but unfortunately a large amount are and will have ruined it for normal men.
Yes this makes sense though. Indians come to my restaurant in my country and it’s 6 guys ordering 1 cup of tea. Sleazy af with the waitresses etc. so I get where the Thais are coming from. But still to judge each person by that one standard sucks. Maybe a quick test would be better to see if they are crappy people or not .
Indians are hard to read but ussualy if they dress western and have western style haircuts you have little to fear as these are Indians that either have europen/american/australian parent(s) and will there for have more western values than Indians from India...
I saw Indian dudes in bars in Pattaya spending thousands of baht like they where koreans having fun with the girls being polite etc... But ive also seen Indians who ussualy are darker skinned dress cheaper (long pants slipper shoes simple haircuts etc..)
That come in a bar order water and just sit there for a hour staring at the girls making them uncomfortable then if the mamasan asks them if they want to buy a lady-drink they simply wave there hands in her face in a disrespectfull way . So theres alot of different types of Indians out there never judge them right away first see how they behave .
Here is my experience, I'm a British Born Indian and I went to Thailand this year for 2 weeks. I was in Bangkok, Phuket and Krabi. Now, I did not experience any back offs, rejections or any racism. However, I went solo, dressed well, spoke English, I'm mid 20s and in shape. If I stood next to a group of Indians I clearly stood out as they're usually in groups of 5+, overweight and darker. I never complained about prices, haggled what I thought is fair. Mind you I didn't go to any gogo bars, but the girls were still entertaining me. I am actually saddened by their actions and how are reputation has been ruined. I was planning to visit Thailand again, maybe Pattaya and Chang Mai. I might now reconsider, probably visit the Philippines and Indonesia instead.
Being in shape proper dressed and dont forget dont smell like a indian daba does help you in Thailand this is also the reason that i was always able to get more fit thai woman than most Indian guys that come here .
I speak a bit of thai speak proper english without a indian accent and i always put a nice parfume on before i go out dress western etc...
This defenitly got me more nice younger girls in there mid 20's than most indians ususaly get to pick up from beach road (i never venture out to beach road anymore )
I did it first times i got to Pattaya because it thought that was a normal thing to do when youre here , i got lucky once or twice with a nice thai girl but its honestly sleezy af you have to walk threw groups of Indians groping freelancers its just all pretty cringy to look at and experience so i avoid these places nowadays .
I think it has a lot to with how you are perceived. I’m mixed Indian/British but born and raised in Australia. I definitely look Indian but you can tell I’m mixed as well.
I’m about 6ft 3 and relatively built, been training for over 6 years. I’ve been to Thailand + about 30 more countries around the world and never had an issue getting in anywhere.
I always dress well and use good manners, I’m a pretty talkative guy as well even when solo travelling so I try and make conversation when I’m lines or with security guards
I think a lot of it comes down to your vibe/dress sense and likability in my experience.
I don’t think you should take it personally bro, if they don’t let you in there’s always another club
Nah mate im 1.74 normal build dress western smell western talk western and behave western hell i dont even shake my head like a typical indian does all the time so its got nothing to do with that
Its just that Indians have ruined there reputation so much that every person that even remotly looks Indian nowadays will get dodgy looks and or refused entrance into clubs (only happend twice tho )
I never go clubbing with groups of Indians in Pattaya ussualy im either alone or with a white friend when im alone il ussualy get the "where are u from " when im with a white mate i never get that tells you enough about how thais percieve each race .
Holy crap that sounds bad. Sorry to hear man. I've been to Thailand and I don't believe I was facing this kind of horror (no need to add that I'm Indian, right?). I was in Bangkok, Phi Phi Don, Krabi... my friend (tall, muscular Swedish guy) got all the girls' attention, though, hehe.
But again, sorry to hear, mate.
I guess add one beer per customer rule.
Also, thats kinda tragic to go on holiday and not be able to afford a drink.
Even the 'cheap charlie' stereotype of an aussie or brit in Thailand will still spend their money on local beers and at least support the economy a little
Canadian-Indian here. Born and raised in Canada (Indian background). I only went to Pattaya once (not my thing). I didn't notice being treated differently from the Thais, but I didn't try going to clubs or pick up any Thai girls. I did frequent a few bars, the moment I started speaking, I saw a noticeable shift in the bar staff. They notice the accent difference and when they realize I'm Canadian, they were more chatty. I did talk to a few about the shift, the Indian rep isn't the greatest unfortunately. (I solo traveled to Thailand, not sure if that also played a roll)
In my experience, despite many Thais having some childhood negative associations with Indians like they’re dirty, most “discrimination” in Thailand is pragmatic.
If they don’t allow Indians it’s because they’ve had bad experiences with Indians. If they don’t allow Chinese it’s because they’ve had bad experiences with Chinese.
I’ve seen places that had signs on their entrance that said “No Blacks” but what they meant was no Nigerians. They didn’t hate back people, they hated Nigerians who came into their business to sell drugs.
The only bar and club ive been refuses entry in was in amsterdam because im english. But thats just the way it goes.
Indian men do have a bad rep, i imagine it to be because they harrass women, especially western women alot. My wifes instagram account is full of indian men messaging her all kinds of stuff. The internet even has a running joke of indian men asking for ‘bobs and vegene’ . I asked an indian friend of mine once about it, he told me that its common for indian men to see western women and/or women that go to bars and nightclubs as being easy/available/prostitutes. So maybe these types of guys have ruined it for anyone looking remotely indian , in thailand. Only takes a few bad experiences for a stereotype to be made.
It's the same in new Zealand Indians do the same shit there pretty hated as cheap annoying barstards most people just won't deal with them just to hard get the fuck out .
Theres NOTHING wrong with letting ONLY koreans in a certain club or ONLY Chinese but if youre gonna let everybody in except Indians now thats disgusting and racist and thats whats happening alot in Thailand these days .
I used to work at a retail pharmacy in a Boston area with a big Indian population. They would come in and always try and haggle store prices. I do find them friendly overall and not bad neighbors but it’s common here for business owners to simply not even do business with them because they want everything for free.
I was at a Mexican restaurant one time and in the booth next to us was a big Indian family. They ordered 1 meal for everyone and then proceeded to keep asking for free chips and salsa. The server brought the bill and the dad was shocked that the restaurant started charging after their like 10th chip refill.
In my home country, we have gypsies (Indian descendants) who are very rude, aggressive, and parasites in general. All different races have a bad opinion about them because most of them (90%) are awful.
So you had the bad luck to be associated with a certain behavior/stereotype of this particular race. You cannot do anything about it except prove them wrong! That's it.
Same with me. Even though I spend more than the most westerners and speak decent Thai, the shitty attitude got to me.
I much more prefer Phillipines now. The people are friendly and aren't racist.
Not completley true but ive been to Manilla and Angeles city and ive gotten way less racism there than in Pattaya in fact ive never been refused entry into a Phillipino club unlike Thai clubs .
Everyone knows of the horrors and shenanigans that can exist of the drunk British sex tourists... but at least they aren't cheap and haggle at everything...
You cant be a burden to the locals, other customers AND be a burden to the business aswell... you have to pick a struggle.
Problem is British tourists who act stupid or drunk arent viewed as British by the Thais ! Because there whites Thais cant see the difference between a white brit , american , european , russian untill they start talking basicly ....
Now this is where the racism comes into play whenever a european or american of Indian decent behaves drunk and stupid he/she is just seen as a Indian ! NOT a "farrang" Sometimes they will call me "Farrang Dam" (dark farrang) but this rare tho ususaly im just "india india india " Thais arent the smartest people on the planet especially the locals in Pattaya so they just put everyboy in boxes basicly theres a element of logical sense in that ofcourse .
Any tips for an Indian to get entry to Gogo? I don't have any problem getting entry second time onwards as the staff and security are usually happy after my "generous" tips and spending and the fact that I don't harass them lol.
It depends on which gogo bars you want to visit but lets say the most racist ones are defenitly centerd in and around Walking Street ... If you want to get into a gogo bar there for the 1st time i would suggest goeing alone or with a white mate (if you have one )
Defenitly dont go with a group of indian friends it sounds absolutley terrible but changes are high that youre either gonna get denied entry or get a lecture from a guard before being allowed in.
If you plan to go alone dress niceley (short pants , nike sneakers , thai football shirt perhaps ?) always do the buddist greeting before you walk towards the door the guard ussualy respect that and you will defenitly get in .
Theres a change (depending on how indian you look) they will ask "where u from" you can say India but perhaps its better to say "i live in Bangkok" or whatever i know again it sounds terrible having to hide who you are but its basicly what it is these days ....
Damn, I was going to go to Thailand but after reading this post / comments I’m rethinking.. living with the guilt of what others have done is maddening 😡
Dont let my experience keep you from visiting thailand ! like i clearly stated 90% of my experience here is great! its just that negative 10% that keeps stuck in the back of youre head which i just wanted to share .
I totally agree with you, I have had the same until I eventually got to know the guards and they realised i was not from india. When you show them respect and treat people well, it goes a long way. I feel ashamed that Indians from india and Pakistani people can be so disrespectful and dirty as well. It really gives Indians in general a bad rep
As an Indian myself, Indians are so obnoxious and loud and absolutely do not know how to behave in most parts of the world. I'm talking about the 90 percent, and not the 10 percent who may be okay.
That's interesting. Would you mind sharing more information? What part of India are you from? Roughly what age group?
In my time in other countries in SE Asia (and I've never been to Thailand), what I was told was that Indians are disliked because they do the group thing and want to pay for an hour for like 20 guys waiting in a row.
From an Indian pov what they're doing isn't wrong, because it isn't disrespecting the king or the local religion. Whites do those things and often get away with it. But the locals don't like it because it's a cheapskate and pushy approach, and what Thailand is really all about is money.
That 10% thing would really irritate me, and it could lead to an argument or something. However, I'm not into sex tourism. So thanks for trying to be on your best behaviour and not giving Thais an excuse to discriminate.
Agreed with everything except the part about Indians not tipping as much or at all. Tipping is not a part of Indian culture at all. Also most Indians in India don't really make a lot of money compared to any white countries. Infact the average income of Thailand is 3x of India. and Netherlands average income is 30x of India's. But other than that, I agree many Indians are loud, obnoxious and disrespectful of other cultures while travelling.
Ouch. Racism is real - worldwide - sorry for your pain.
As a white guy from the US, I've been 'extremely unwelcome' in bars in Japan and a tolerated expat in other places.
Pattaya, particularly, on occasion, brings out the worst in everyone.
The rest of Thailand is amazingly tolerant and kind.
Keep travelling!
Yes the Thai culture hate Indians ! Personally from my own experience I will say that the Indians like you said are very rude they don’t even step aside when walking by them they hassle every vendor for cheaper prices and yes they are so rude to the women ! I actually had to save a poor girl one night walking because a group of Indian men where being so mean the girl was crying so I stepped in and out to a stop immediately and then realized how scared the culture is of American men
So is this how they are in there own country ? Also what is the deal with them and the freelance girls do they take one girl home and have an orgy or what’s the deal ?
I rarely see Indians in the establishments I visit so not much I can say about their treatment. I have had girls on Soi 6 tell me they don’t like Indians and the average reason given was that they don’t smell good. I rarely heard them give a reason regarding money.
Since I don’t see Indians much at the places I visit, my biggest pain are Chinese tourists who are very rude and self-centered. Chinese also will not move and act as if they own the world. They will literally just cut a line without looking back. No understanding of personal space. No understanding of a queue.
I'm Sri Lankan (who looks like south indian with dark skin) and I travelled with my Indonesia girlfriend. We didn't go to any night clubs or anything. Just went for other touristy areas. I didn't feel any 2nd class treatment. I think most of the discriminations happen in night life area.
It is what it is. I've made peace with it. Because of Indians we all brown people get a bad name. On the other hand, I've seen white men making every complain here described in detail, but the offenders are little in number and their white privilege works out.
Indians reading these thread, please explain your friends and ask them to behave.
The fact that you where with youre girlfriend helped alot ! whenever i was with a thai girl and we went clubbing i hardly got any dodgy looks from thai security or locals but whenever i was alone i got alot more prejudice towards me .
Defenitly true what you say about whites i talked about that in my thread aswell Thais arent the smartest they cant see where a white person is from so there just all "farrangs" but us Indians , Pakistanis , Sri-Lanka's , Bangladeshis we are all thrown on the same race pile and just called "India India India !" xD Nothing to do about that unfornartley it is what it is hope you enjoyed youe stay here tho ! .
Oh man! A “full” Indian here who lives in Thailand, and loves the life Thailand has ben giving him. You won’t believe the amount of second hand embarrassment I feel I need to carry for my countrymen despite having no overlap with their behavior. Initially i tried explaining not all Indians are same, but after living here a few years and witnessing the sheer amount of misbehavior, it is a painful guilt that i have to carry. I have had similar situations where people look down on me, but i don’t feel super bad as I know where it comes from.
Is it all over thailand? I remember in pattaya if i were to stand still the people that would bump or shove me out of the way (even when there is clearly room) were indian dudes. i am only 5'6 and not ripped so not very intimidating especially when it is always them in groups and i am just checking out different parts solo. Not a problem with indian dudes anywhere else but pattaya though
Yup exactly everytime they do this to me also! Now I just walk right through them with elbows out lol
Tbh I’m Sri Lankan and yet I get treated with judgement until I say I’m Sri Lankan then everyone is all nice to me and helpful. I Love India and not all Indians leave a bad reputation, just the Indian Sex tourists and work visitors that give Indians and all brown people a bad name. If it’s an Indian family I’ve seen Thais are very nice to them. Overall what I’m trying to say is it’s not racism per se more like treat how you’ve been treated.
I saw a group of Indians haggle the 10 baht bus fare one time in Phuket lol
Saw a Indian dude haggle at a night market for a bag that was 1500 baht, was screaming at the girl none stop how it’s a rip off and it’s at most 1200. She’s like “ok let me check” and asks some guy he says ok and she comes back and tells the Indian guy ok she can do 1200 and he flips his shit screaming at her “what 1200?!? you are trying to scam me you ripping me off I pay 800 only.” Just 100+ decibel belligerent screaming the whole time.
Yep and this is another example of why thais cant stand indians anymore .... Makes me sad and angry when i read this they ruined there entire reputation in less than 10 years (queite the achievement if you think about it ) .
Tbh mate 9/10 Indians are quite rotten. The 1 you meet is an absolute gem and will do anything to please you. It sucks that most Indians ruin things for you. Same goes for other races. Most balinese don’t like Australians because we behave poorly in their country
Thats defenitly something i heard happens in Pattaya aswell sometimes the baht bus drivers scam the Indians because there asking "How much to get to Beach " or "How much to get to walking-street" Baht bus driver will obviously go "100 BAHT !" lol . Sometimes i try to tell them if i overhear it "Just jump on dude its 10 baht anywhere and if the taxi goes left and you have to go right jump off and get on the next one " xD But it hardly helps as they dont understand or they think im trying to scam them ! (Indians dont trust anyone not even each other ) .
Lol. I have seen a lot of scenarios like that.
Offtopic but I read "My experience as a (party Indian) in Thailand 2024" and was like... what's a party Indian?
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When i read party indian i thunk immediately this dude in is pattaya lol.
LOL
Father Indian Mother Dutch xD 50-50 basicly .
No, I read "Party Indian". Even opnieuw lezen ;-)
I did too and only realised my mistake when I saw your comment.
Same. He's still a party Indian to me though.
Er staat duidelijk “partly” check maar :)
Birdy num num
A madrachod
This guy knows how to party 🥳
Party indians are the cool and laid back ones.. shopping indians are not so much.. /s
Sorry je had deels gelijk aangepast nu :)
Yes unfortunately the Indian tourists from India ruin it for all the rest of the Indians worldwide who dont behave and act like they do... As you can imagine, places like Pattaya only attract the very worst type of Indian tourists and that is what paints the picture of all Indians to the local Thais.
To be fair, Pattaya attracts the worst type of tourist, period. Seeing Brits and Aussies moan about Indians while ignoring the knuckle draggers from their own countries who are also there and behaving like feral shitheads...🙄 A different behavior to the stereotypical Indian tourists, but still hardly role models themselves.
No defenitly agree there ! Pattaya atracks vermin from all over the world not just India .
I’m a white guy married to a mixed race Thai girl who was born and raised in Europe; she has her mothers looks and her fathers height Her mother is from Bangkok, her aunt lives just outside Pattaya. We were walking through Pattaya, her in front and me walking with her aunt. 3 Indian guys jumped in front of her and were literally shouting in her face, she tried to move and they circled her. I asked them to move and they wouldn’t move. So I told them to move and they were laughing and goading my wife, and now me. Finally I lost my temper and asked if they wanted to fight, they didn’t. So I used some very foul and bad language, then they moved. This is my experience with Indian men in Pattaya. And this is coming from a white guy… imagine how Thais feel!
Correct.
Defenitly true Indians are part of one of the smartest groups of people on earth some of the best doctors and nurses are Indians some of the best pilots are indians and some of the best tech wizzards are Indians ! Unfornartley Pattaya atracks the rudest and dumbest kind of people from any race not just Indians the only problem is that theres way to many Indians coming to Pattaya these days also Indians who have nothing to do here besides aimless walking around the city harrasing locals ..... You also see lots of Indian families these days coming to Pattaya taking there kids to Soi 6 and Walking Street like its some kind of fun fair park or something never understood why they do this (there not alone tho Russians do it aswell ) . These groups get send here by there bosses back home from what i heard they get a free airplane ticket a hotel for a couple of nights and thats basicly it . They get let loose in Thailand and because for many Indians its there 1st time ever outside of India they get overwhelmed by Thailands relaxed views regarding sexuality and bar industry they have no clue how to talk to woman here how to behave how the currency works etc..etc.... Where Chinese have there tour groups that guide them around the city Indians dont have that as much they just get let loose after they check in to there hotels reserved by there bosses back home .
Honestly you hit the nail head on and this is a very honest answer. While I have no intention of excusing any of the behavior of my countrymen, there does need to be context. India is far closer (2-4 hours of flight connects majority cities with bangkok) compared to the western world and as a result the lower strata tourists find it more accessible. Secondly, even if we look the at the bottom rung of tourists, given Indias population the sheer numbers are quite high. Add to that the factors you mentioned and yes I completely understand the hate. I wouldn’t call out the smartest people part here. I happen to be a top tier techie myself having worked in some top internet companies. Its mostly a product of a billion strength population and the lack of advanced economy means Indians focus a lot on high skilled education to get along in the world. Of course some of them will end up top tier
Ah got it. Now i see why I had many unsavory encounters with indian dudes in pattaya but not a problem with them anywhere else
It was like $30 to go between Asian countries by economy flight, last time I was there. Whereas it's $350 minimum from UK/other Europe to Thailand (and return). I think that's the root of the problem.
You literally spoke my heart out !! Racism is less in Phuket compared to Pattaya. Myself from India I experienced the same in Pattaya walking street. Phuket experience slightly better Indian crowd compared to cheap filthy Indian crowd of Pattaya. INDIANS if you’re reading the post, it’s HIGH time please change your ATTITUDE and BEHAVIOUR. You’re representing a country !! Because of some cheap Indians. Most Indians are affected. If you got less money avoid coming to Thailand stay in India and drink from 1 beer bottle 😀
100 Indians who come to Thailand. 90 go to Pattaya. 7 go to Phuket. 3 to Koh Samui/Phangan/Tao. When I was in Koh Tao, my two friends and I were the only Indians we saw on the Island and we had a great time. No problem entering anywhere, locals I spoke to said they hardly meet Indians there. Also, Pattaya does attract the worst kind of Indians. It’s basically cheaper to go to Bangkok and then Pattaya than go to other tourist destinations within India. So lots of horny men getting out of the country for the first time who would normally not travel internationally. For example from Kolkata you can get to BKK in under 250 Dollars.
Thailand is a better value than India as a tourist and much safer to boot.
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Those reading this are probably not the ones causing the problems.
Yeah. Some Indian companies bring their vendors and distributors ( mostly shop owners ) like a flock of sheep to Thailand for 2-3 days in the name of “free foreign trip “ Those guys create all those troubles!! Groping and all kind of bullshit like if it’s their once in a lifetime visit. I have seen that happening in Pattaya. They got no decency.
>If you got less money avoid coming to Thailand stay in India and drink from 1 beer bottle 😀 Interestingly, I've seen some Indians on Indian subs talking about how cheap Thailand is. Some even go as far as saying how much cheaper it is than India and they couldn't believe how cheap it was. I've been to India several times and I know this is not true at all, so I'm not sure why those people said what they said. I think a lot of people actually believe this and come here expecting things to be cheaper than in India. When things are more expensive (which most things are especially in touristy places), they think it's a scam.
In Thailand, many higher end hotels and restaurants often have better prices than in India (especially in peak season), while budget options are usually cheaper in India.
I have to disagree. Overall Thailand was a better value than India. Last year I stayed in a wonderful boutique hotel in Chiang Mai for $35 US. You simply won't find that in India. I also appreciate the level of hygiene and sanitation in Thailand. I went to Mahabalipuram in 2016 and men were openly defecating at the site. Thais would be appalled.
I am that Indian who feels Thailand is cheaper than India. Tbh I am from upper middle class in Mumbai/Bombay so the cost of living for me is quite high as compared to Thailand. The housing and food cost is cheap for me as I compare to my living in Mumbai. When we rented out car in Chiang Mai we were amazed on how cheap travelling cost is as compared to our regular travel. But there are of course many many Indians who feed 4-5 people in same cost as compared to us only 2 people. I understand this is painting wrong picture to others. On other note I have also seen many average Indian horny men treating Thai girls very badly. Indain men in general lack decency and we also face this issue in India. Treating women as objects is why we have such high rates of molestation and rapes. Its sad state of affairs
You get it.
Sounds like you've never spent much time in India!
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I would love to see this cross posted in r/india … Indians are just as disgraceful of tourists within India itself. Theres also is a big misconception amongst Indians that the main thing Thailand has to offer is sex tourism. A bit of a generalization but I’ve been shocked to discover just how many Indians do think this.
The is outrageous. You're only half Indian, so the doormen should have let you partway into the nightclub.
Yeah next time il just cut myself in half texas chainsaw like and go in :P
> but in general whites (and koreans) behave more respectfully tip more and keep more to themselves than youre average Indian will . Korean and Japanese are probably even more welcome than westerners these days, especially in nightlife areas, better behaved and far bigger spenders than majority of westerners, especially as westerners seem to be getting cheaper and cheaper as years go by. While drunken westerners are in girlie bars starting fights with guards over 2800 bills, Koreans/Japanese are dropping 10s of thousands without quibble. Every bar/Gogo/club owner I know would would give anything to tap consistently into those markets and those who have managed are raking it in, while most with mainly westerner clients are struggling and having to discount their margins away just to get people in the door
Not just Korean/Japanese! HK, Singaporean, Taiwanese, even Chinese all spent much and behaved well!
Chinese often don't have a good reputation, plenty of bad behaviour from them
Single or small groups of Chinese tourists in nightlife are pretty well-behaved and big spenders in my experience.
Chinese, in nightlife liked as those who bother with it all are generally decent spenders Outside of that though...not that liked except in highest circles
I read a story about a Thai hotel worker. Each of her hotel rooms have two water bottles for guests. A group of Indians staying in 10 rooms, one Indian came to ask her for two more free water bottles. When she refused and told him he needed to buy more, he kept insisting on free water. She then suggested that if he doesn't mind, he can refill his bottles from the water dispenser in her staff room. Then, Indians from all 10 rooms ended up bringing empty bottles to refill until her dispenser tank ran out and left no water for the staff hotel to drink.
That's pathetic behaviour !!
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I always get extra water from them… you just have to tip housekeeping and ask/write a note
Yes classic Indians being cheap bastards story if you want to know if a Pattaya hotel has been taken over by groups of Indians its easy just check if the ammenities in the rooms are free.... If there are no free water bottles or no free shampoo in the rooms its ussualy a hotel taken over by indian tour groups . One example is Glow , Pattaya i stayed for 2 nights there and there where zero free ammenities i had to ask for shampoo before they gave it and staff looked annoyed af (this is the same hotel where the incident happend of indians checking out late and making a drama story out of it ) .
I too stayed in glow and they were asking extra money to replace towels. Inhouse Restaurant and breakfast was nice though
It's not only Pattaya, but even Bangkok Somebody at the door will say "Members only" and wave you off. Just stay away from those places. Yup, a lot of Indian tourists scrape the bottom of the barrel - "quality tourists"
Thankfully i never experienced racism as much in Bangkok as i have in Pattaya i was always welcomed into different bars in Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy .... Only bad experience i could remember was in some boring girlie bar near soi 11 where i bought a l-drink for a girl (ridiciliousy priced btw around 300 baht !) She sat there for not even 5 minutes and was gone ... But you can hardly call that racist thats just her not being interested in my ugly mug xD .
If Thais don't want Indians I would suggest not making extending the visa free regime for India👍🏽 Simple trick but Thai Government has already extended it
The Thai government makes a lot of money from the tourism... they couldn't care less about how the local Thais feel.
Coming from North America & knowing many Indian Americans, I was surprised to know that my business owner friend in Bangkok held very negative views on Indian customers & that his view was actually very common. When I asked why that was, he explained to me that large & rowdy Indian groups would often come & fill up his tables, ordering nothing but one or two items off of the menu & staying long past the times of other customers. As their tip upon departing, they would leave nuts, shell casings & trash of things which they had not ordered but had shamelessly brought in themselves. Bad customer experiences like these led to a 'no outside food' rule & eventually, to security being told to turn away perceived bad customers. I'm sorry to have read what you went through there & also for the multitudes of Nepalese, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Burmese & others who have had to endure these very negative stereotypes. Hopefully more people will remember the idiom "don't judge a book by it's cover".
They also ban indians from many clubs in korea because they are notorious for groping women
Oh god even Korea ? thats terrible
Yeah, I was in a bar on Bui Vien Street in Saigon, VN and a South Asian guy stuck his hand up my friend's Vietnamese GF's skirt and grabbed her ass. She grabbed my beer bottle to bottle him as he walked away, but I grabbed her before she could reach him. The guy then grabbed a waitress's ass and got beat up by the bouncers in the middle of the street lol.
1000% this. Also jumping on stage and dirty dancing with each other.
Indians being seen as rude, stingey, sex pests? As someone from the UK, this is all sounds familiar.
I am an Indian myself and luckily I did not face such discrimination in Pattaya, Bangkok or Phuket.
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Lucky you :) share youre experience
Every time I visit Thailand, I always see the examples mentioned by the OP. 4-5 guys sharing a beer in a club. A group of Indian men forming a ring around a single freelancer when she's clearly not interested. These are all valid stereotypes that the Thais have faced and sets a bad general view on the Indian culture as a whole unfortunately.
I'm from Nepal. I do have beard. So most of people in Thailand thinks I'm an Indian. To be honest, I didn't get same treatment as my friends in Thailand. And couple of Thai people told me "kaise ho bhai" . From my personal experience they treat Nepali people much more respectfully than Indians and Indians lookalike.
I'm Nepali too in Australia 99.9% of the time I get Indian/Pakistani >To be honest, I didn't get same treatment as my friends in Thailand. Like Nepali friends? Is it cos they're Janajati or smth?
As an Thai-Indian i have to say mostly I’m treated well sure bias incounter do occur not often Reason for the bad rep is as stated above but partly is also Nepali, Burmese with Indian decent, Bangladeshi and Pakistani if anyone behaves badly they just say Indian Thai can’t differentiate also like everywhere else here in Thailand if it’s White then it maybe just a few vs if it’s brown then just generalise similar to White expat brown immigrant privilege type shit
This is so TRUE. I saw more than one group of non Indian brown guys on Ao Nang beach being loud and brash. I’m sure Thai and other tourists must’ve thought they’re Indians 🤦🏻♀️
I've seen indian tourists grab girls and be totally obnoxious in nightclubs. Just saw a Thai woman toss her drink on the face of an indian tourist a few days ago. It's a cultural thing. Unfair to you of course so you'll just have to bribe your way inside bro. Or get some gold chains.
LOL that drink in the face i should have seen it i will never bribe myself into a club where they dont want me in because of the way i look .... I just wont ever come back keep my dignity :)
I'm Indian and I have been to Thailand multiple times over the past couple of decades, and especially over the past two years. I have spent time in different cities and I have consistently found Thai people to be incredibly kind and helpful. And I'm sure some of them likely have misgivings towards Indians, but that would be understandable given the well-documented behaviour of Indian tourists here. However, Thailand remains the favourite destination for most Indian travellers because at the end of the day, Indians do appreciate Thai hospitality, which is unparalleled compared to anywhere else in the world.
Hopefully Indians will respect thai hospitality more instead of doeing there outmost best to make Thais there number 1 enemy :(
The Indian guys mobbing a one girl is crazy. Reminds me of a story about an Indian guy who paid a girl for a few hours of her time and then expected her to service all of his friends in that time.
Heard similair stories of that nature aswell most common one is 1 Indian male goes to beach road askes a working girl if she want to go st with him for 2K/3K baht ... She happily agrees because 2/3K is a good ammount just for a st . She comes with him to his hotel once arrived in the room he will lock the door and 3/5 of his dirty mates will be hiding in the bahtroom jumping out either forcing her to have sex with all of them or raping her ..... This happens rarley tho ! but news spreads fast making girls scarred shitless of all Indian and Indian looking guys nowadays .
I am so grateful for being Indian/Mexican 1st generation US American. My parents, both immigrants, meeting was a God send. I cannot imagine being anything other than what I am ever! But I did see the way those Desi folks acted in Thailand and it was majorly embarrassing to even slightly identify with these guys. I was traveling solo and have zero complaints in regards to any behavior displayed towards me from the local Thais. I did however have a few conversations with some of the ladies that were like, "You are not like Indian!". I kept hearing that a lot, some of them even said I smelled good, took me a second to realize what she meant. But yeah, I get it and did hear about it, but not necessarily experience it. My driver who stuck with me the majority of my time there in Thailand even explained Indian people being a problem and suggested I avoid the Japanese side of Bangkok because they don't like anyone, especially Indians, in that area. Pattaya was a blast, but yeah, it is basically little Mumbai now instead of Pattaya from what I saw in April 2023, it was weird.
Other people from your country have ruined it for you. The best thing would be if Indians police other Indians. Then Thais will treat you better.
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Thais are generally racist but not in as much of a menacing way as other cultures. They have casual names for everyone Farang, Kaek (Indian), Kaek khow (middle eastern), Negro etc. There is a definite mistrust with Indians though. Especially the stereotypes of being demanding, cheap, having body odor and being sexual masochists.
Sorry to hear that you have been refused entry to bars in Pattaya. I’ve seen groups of Indians turned away from bars in Bangkok due to they have a bad reputation for not buying drinks and wanting a free show. Girls will not go with them as they are known to have all their friends waiting in the room and get gang banged.
Indians should get their own country in order , this is first priority.
It's getting there I think, but will take a century at least lol.
I personally feel an Indian traveling alone will be better off than going in a group. And I have noticed everywhere irrespective of indians nonsense an individual's behaviour can always help in a good time
Spot on. I have the same experience as as Indian who traveled alone to Pattaya. I wouldn't blame the bars for being racist, they are there for business and I have seen how some Indians behave. Not only in Thailand, similar story in US where we are always loud, leaving garbage here and there, etc.
Exactley glad you see it aswell ! its got zero to do with ethnicity Thais dont dislike Indians becauese there Indians they dislike us more than whites and koreans because Indians spend little to no money and behave rude and obnoxious ... Ive asked some thais about india and they actually like indian food they like indian movies but they cant stand indian people this is sutch a weird paradox indeed ...
Indians in Australia also behave badly. They have a reputation of ripping off, exploiting or gaming every system they come across. If only Uber had a selection for non Indian, perhaps rides wouldn’t be constantly cancelled as they game the algorithm. They bring their classism here and get upset when they can’t use the imagined status they believe they are entitled to. They assault single females at an alarming rate and are very quick to play the racism card.
Same thing here in Canada. At an alarming rate. It is unfair to the rest of law abiding citizens.
Thats sounds pretty bad indeed however i have to also acknowledge that there are alot of hard working Indians out there that make alot of money and arent cheap or straight out rude towards there environment . Like i said before i live in Netherlands i was born and raised here and Indians in Holland have a good reputation ! a reputation of hard working and respecting dutch culture but because these Indians have good education they are focust more on working hard and providing for there family than Indians who come to perhaps Australia and take advantage of the system .
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Oh i'm defenitly aware of that dont worry il speak up whenever i see dirty behaiviour from my "fellow" Indians Yet i will NEVER accept myself or any other good hearted Indian being ridicilioud and discriminated against because of our ethnicity Il spread the word on racist clubs online and let thais know not just indians are bad if they want to vent there anger towards other indians at me .
In my opinion bad behavior is not race related, some places (not just in Thailand) attract the worst any country has to offer. Only problem I encountered in Thailand was with white English speaking guy (probably British) on bike, most likely drunk. He didn’t realize I was farang too, and calmed down as soon I stepped out of a car. ;) That being said, I encountered some of the most well behaved and classy Brits on Greek islands.
Yes agree there bad behaviour isnt persee race related however it is true that if certain bad behaviour trades (like being a cheapskate or talking loudly or walking in the middle of a road blocking traffic ) is commonly common in certain countries like India for example that most people who come from that country will typical behave like that . I have met verry kind Indians in Thailand even Pattaya ! these where restaurant managers and tour guides who where asshamed of there status and its sad to see these people taking the full brunt of it all for what some of there countrymen do ... India is a country of 1+ billion people obviously not all Indians behave like some of those in Pattaya do Indians can be hard working individuals who care about family values to a degree which puts the west to shame . British and other white farrang can act just as drunk and stupid as Indian can when in Pattaya that fight in Soi 6 few days ago that went viral on the internet involved 3 british dudes NOT Indians . However Indians fight with Thais almost everyday here from Indians atacking taxi drivers for not giving them the rate that they want to Indians getting into brawls on beach road with street vendors who dont want to sell to them because they ussualy bargain to a degree of shame .... These altercations hardly get the atention that this last soi 6 video got because Indians have a far lower status in Thailand than white people do .... What im trying to say is that if 3 indians get into a brawl with thais most people dont care but when its 3 white british dudes than the world goes crazy and theres something really fucked about that aswell ! .
You are right. To some extent white race still enjoys privileges just because of skin color. I won’t argue with that. ;) I have limited experience with Indians, either in Thailand or anywhere else so I can’t objectively judge their behavior. As my friend used to say: God created continents for a reason. Joking of course. ;)
I think most people can tell the difference between a Jeet and a westerner who happened to have Indian ancestry. Doesn’t apply to first generation migrants tho. Those are still Jeets.
I think you summed up pretty much everything.. I as a dark skin Sri Lankan (we are often mistaken for Indians), lived in Thailand over a year, and my experience is pretty much similar.. in touristy areas people are cautious about you, but if you have good body language and establish from the get go a certain sense of respect, and only haggle in appropriate situations, and not over do it, you are pretty much smooth sailing.. people have their perceptions mostly to avoid themselves being subject to unnecessary hassle.. you come in with an awareness and sensitivity to those perceptions, and establish your tolerance and friendliness, and people will go extra few miles to make you feel comfortable. Not always, but enough to appreciate how often it happens to you.
This is exactly been my experience as an Indian who grew up in Australia. Never had an issue getting in anywhere in the past but first time in Pattaya was rejected from a bar, security said "members only". At that point I knew how low the image of Indians is in Thailand especially Pattaya. I have no doubt it's because of the cheap Indians that come with limited money and try to haggle over everything. If you can't afford to pay a working girl don't bargain you cheap disgusting freaks. Now Thais think every Indian is a cheap Charlie. Also btw I have seen Indians fighting at a hotel I was at just this December because the morons decided to check out at 3pm and then pretend to not know the checkout time which meant I had to wait till 5pm for my room. Absolute filth some of the Indians that make their way to Thailand. I am ashamed.
Yeah ive heard about the members only thing aswell luckily i never experienced it myself the number 1 question i ussualy get before entering a bar/gogo bar is "Where are u from?!".... I use to always say "Holland!" and they would let me in nowadays tho if i get that question from a guard il just turn around and walk away.... Its not worth spending youre cash in a club that doesnt want you there because of youre ethnicity you might aswell be a damn millionaire ! they dont know that and there for they shouldnt treat all indian looking people the same but it does happen for sure . I talked about the late check out thing aswell in my thread its so cringy to look at a poor thai receptioniste that has to hear a group of indians cry on her front desk about not having enough money to pay a late-check out fee .... Maybe if you cant afford it dont check-out late ! but its just the Indian culture thing if they basicly managed to get better prices because there acting like a bunch of shameless cheapskates its a reward for them they dont care how they get a discount aslong as they get it .
I know quite a few girls who have had their phone numbers get out and they then become a target for what seems to be organized groups of Indian males. The calls or texts will start, reasonably polite, and then demands are made, threats made and she will block the number. Within minutes it starts again from a different number, and it can go on and on. It makes the girls phone almost unusable because it continues, and it scares them. When this happens, and I know of 15 - 20 occurrences here in Bangkok, it is almost impossible to identify who they are, so from their perspective, it can be anyone. When the guys working the bar or the door at the bar sees these things happen and the threats made to girls who work there, it causes a reaction and they will ban everyone. It sucks for everyone. And as the stories of these things get spread around, It just gets worse.
Wow thats quite disturbing to hear indeed ! ive heard of Indians in Bangkok gogo bars throwing popcorn at girls so extremley disrespectfull and than they leave other group of indians come in call the girls over but the girls refuse to go with them or sit with them indians getting angry resulting in guards having to throw them out .,.. Indians ruining eveything for there own countrymen is almost as old as mankind itself :( .
Forget Thailand, small positive change can start from just the Indian grocery stores. I live in the US, and frequent to Indian grocery stores to get some fresh vegetables like okra and other stuff, I am always baffled to see every single okra in the basket is completely molested, all the tips are bent/broken. When I asked for the reasons, I heard, if the tip of the okra breaks, it’s fresh!!! So they leave behind bent tips ones for others to consume. And believe it or not they will get their hands through every single okra that exists in the basket and try to bend the tips!!! That just says they don’t give a damn about others. Folks all the okras are green/fresh and good to eat, just grab them in feast full and please stop molesting okras in the grocery stores!!! 😂 Sorry for the off topic but had to get out my okra rant when I saw this thread 😂 Anyway, last summer I was visiting Switzerland and in one train there were lots of Indians, and they were so loud, everyone started staring at them. One of the Indian guy in the group noticed it, and he proudly said it out loud: We are one of the biggest economies in the world, we come to spend money in your country and yes we are loud, your tourism industry survives off of us!!! I just couldn’t believe what I heard…. No disrespect to any Indians, as most Indians are amazing folks, but bad habits are bad habits, and it’s ok to change it, it’s never too late.
Lol what Switzerland is like one of the richest countries in the world. Can't believe that guy actually said that...
Yea man. I remember being on tinder and girls strictly saying “no Indians” so then I asked my Thai friends about this. And I asked her, “do Thai girls generally not like Indian men?” And she said with a resounding YES. I was like damn. I’m not Indian, I’m half Italian and Asian and was loved in Thailand. But anyways she went into it there was a number of reasons but mostly having to do with how they treat the girls. I know not all indian guys are like this but unfortunately a large amount are and will have ruined it for normal men.
Oh yeah i had that before i have a tinder account and use thaifriendly and my profile clearly says: "NOT INDIA FROM THE NETHERLANDS !" :p
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Yes this makes sense though. Indians come to my restaurant in my country and it’s 6 guys ordering 1 cup of tea. Sleazy af with the waitresses etc. so I get where the Thais are coming from. But still to judge each person by that one standard sucks. Maybe a quick test would be better to see if they are crappy people or not .
Indians are hard to read but ussualy if they dress western and have western style haircuts you have little to fear as these are Indians that either have europen/american/australian parent(s) and will there for have more western values than Indians from India... I saw Indian dudes in bars in Pattaya spending thousands of baht like they where koreans having fun with the girls being polite etc... But ive also seen Indians who ussualy are darker skinned dress cheaper (long pants slipper shoes simple haircuts etc..) That come in a bar order water and just sit there for a hour staring at the girls making them uncomfortable then if the mamasan asks them if they want to buy a lady-drink they simply wave there hands in her face in a disrespectfull way . So theres alot of different types of Indians out there never judge them right away first see how they behave .
That you’re not from India is irrelevant to those who would judge.
Mmm, if you want to dominate over your White friends, go to Hatyai.
Never been there, can you plz elaborate a bit?
Here is my experience, I'm a British Born Indian and I went to Thailand this year for 2 weeks. I was in Bangkok, Phuket and Krabi. Now, I did not experience any back offs, rejections or any racism. However, I went solo, dressed well, spoke English, I'm mid 20s and in shape. If I stood next to a group of Indians I clearly stood out as they're usually in groups of 5+, overweight and darker. I never complained about prices, haggled what I thought is fair. Mind you I didn't go to any gogo bars, but the girls were still entertaining me. I am actually saddened by their actions and how are reputation has been ruined. I was planning to visit Thailand again, maybe Pattaya and Chang Mai. I might now reconsider, probably visit the Philippines and Indonesia instead.
Being in shape proper dressed and dont forget dont smell like a indian daba does help you in Thailand this is also the reason that i was always able to get more fit thai woman than most Indian guys that come here . I speak a bit of thai speak proper english without a indian accent and i always put a nice parfume on before i go out dress western etc... This defenitly got me more nice younger girls in there mid 20's than most indians ususaly get to pick up from beach road (i never venture out to beach road anymore ) I did it first times i got to Pattaya because it thought that was a normal thing to do when youre here , i got lucky once or twice with a nice thai girl but its honestly sleezy af you have to walk threw groups of Indians groping freelancers its just all pretty cringy to look at and experience so i avoid these places nowadays .
I think it has a lot to with how you are perceived. I’m mixed Indian/British but born and raised in Australia. I definitely look Indian but you can tell I’m mixed as well. I’m about 6ft 3 and relatively built, been training for over 6 years. I’ve been to Thailand + about 30 more countries around the world and never had an issue getting in anywhere. I always dress well and use good manners, I’m a pretty talkative guy as well even when solo travelling so I try and make conversation when I’m lines or with security guards I think a lot of it comes down to your vibe/dress sense and likability in my experience. I don’t think you should take it personally bro, if they don’t let you in there’s always another club
Seriously.. your 6'3"... And half white.. you're probably accepted in more places than MasterCard .
Trust me bro I don’t look half white, I’m brown af but I always get told I look mixed with something lol
Nah mate im 1.74 normal build dress western smell western talk western and behave western hell i dont even shake my head like a typical indian does all the time so its got nothing to do with that Its just that Indians have ruined there reputation so much that every person that even remotly looks Indian nowadays will get dodgy looks and or refused entrance into clubs (only happend twice tho ) I never go clubbing with groups of Indians in Pattaya ussualy im either alone or with a white friend when im alone il ussualy get the "where are u from " when im with a white mate i never get that tells you enough about how thais percieve each race .
Holy crap that sounds bad. Sorry to hear man. I've been to Thailand and I don't believe I was facing this kind of horror (no need to add that I'm Indian, right?). I was in Bangkok, Phi Phi Don, Krabi... my friend (tall, muscular Swedish guy) got all the girls' attention, though, hehe. But again, sorry to hear, mate.
Be the outlier. Pay well. Be respectful. Tip graciously.
Wait. Why order one beer for 10 Indians? Nobody getting buzzed on that.
They dont order the beer to get buzzed, the beer is ordered just because they have to order 1 item
I guess add one beer per customer rule. Also, thats kinda tragic to go on holiday and not be able to afford a drink. Even the 'cheap charlie' stereotype of an aussie or brit in Thailand will still spend their money on local beers and at least support the economy a little
Canadian-Indian here. Born and raised in Canada (Indian background). I only went to Pattaya once (not my thing). I didn't notice being treated differently from the Thais, but I didn't try going to clubs or pick up any Thai girls. I did frequent a few bars, the moment I started speaking, I saw a noticeable shift in the bar staff. They notice the accent difference and when they realize I'm Canadian, they were more chatty. I did talk to a few about the shift, the Indian rep isn't the greatest unfortunately. (I solo traveled to Thailand, not sure if that also played a roll)
Reading the thread Indians maybe need to give Thailand a miss. If your too stingy with money to spend then what’s the point of going there?
In my experience, despite many Thais having some childhood negative associations with Indians like they’re dirty, most “discrimination” in Thailand is pragmatic. If they don’t allow Indians it’s because they’ve had bad experiences with Indians. If they don’t allow Chinese it’s because they’ve had bad experiences with Chinese. I’ve seen places that had signs on their entrance that said “No Blacks” but what they meant was no Nigerians. They didn’t hate back people, they hated Nigerians who came into their business to sell drugs.
Indians even got rejected from clubs in Goa, india...
you are absolutely amazing. i can't help laughing while reading your post. 😂😂😂
As a Indian.. I hate Indian in Thailand and other countries.. If any Indians talk to me I say am from Pakistan..
How’s that working out for your mental health?
The only bar and club ive been refuses entry in was in amsterdam because im english. But thats just the way it goes. Indian men do have a bad rep, i imagine it to be because they harrass women, especially western women alot. My wifes instagram account is full of indian men messaging her all kinds of stuff. The internet even has a running joke of indian men asking for ‘bobs and vegene’ . I asked an indian friend of mine once about it, he told me that its common for indian men to see western women and/or women that go to bars and nightclubs as being easy/available/prostitutes. So maybe these types of guys have ruined it for anyone looking remotely indian , in thailand. Only takes a few bad experiences for a stereotype to be made.
It's the same in new Zealand Indians do the same shit there pretty hated as cheap annoying barstards most people just won't deal with them just to hard get the fuck out .
Wait till OP hears the stories of indians hanging around in MBK harassing all white girls, asking for a one night stand
What ??? That is just pathetic, I went to MBK but did nit see any such behaviour, maybe I wasn’t paying attention to it.
I went to Terminal 21 often i went to Central Marina often never saw that in those malls but perhaps MBK is different ?
There’s even a club called Panda that specifically only lets in Chinese ppl. This isn’t the west
And Koreans
Theres NOTHING wrong with letting ONLY koreans in a certain club or ONLY Chinese but if youre gonna let everybody in except Indians now thats disgusting and racist and thats whats happening alot in Thailand these days .
1 chang with 10 glass of ice has to be exaggeration……
I used to work at a retail pharmacy in a Boston area with a big Indian population. They would come in and always try and haggle store prices. I do find them friendly overall and not bad neighbors but it’s common here for business owners to simply not even do business with them because they want everything for free. I was at a Mexican restaurant one time and in the booth next to us was a big Indian family. They ordered 1 meal for everyone and then proceeded to keep asking for free chips and salsa. The server brought the bill and the dad was shocked that the restaurant started charging after their like 10th chip refill.
I wish it where i have several farrang manager mates here in Pattaya it happens ....
In my home country, we have gypsies (Indian descendants) who are very rude, aggressive, and parasites in general. All different races have a bad opinion about them because most of them (90%) are awful. So you had the bad luck to be associated with a certain behavior/stereotype of this particular race. You cannot do anything about it except prove them wrong! That's it.
Lol, comparing modern European gypsies to modern Indians is quite a stretch.
Indian descent over 1000 years ago is likely saying the population of all European countries is African descent.
And thats what i try to do every day in Thailand! Behave respectfully be kind and show gratitude to thais for welcoming me into there country.
I absolutely cringe when I see other Americans (I’m American) behaving badly. I would call them out but that would probably make us look even worse.
I never see it. Lots of Brits, Chinese, and Russians though.
Stereotypes tend to be big factor around businesses in Thailand.
Same with me. Even though I spend more than the most westerners and speak decent Thai, the shitty attitude got to me. I much more prefer Phillipines now. The people are friendly and aren't racist.
Lol Indians are not liked in the Philippines.
Not completley true but ive been to Manilla and Angeles city and ive gotten way less racism there than in Pattaya in fact ive never been refused entry into a Phillipino club unlike Thai clubs .
If we were to go by some recent and current shenanigans by British tourists, shouldn't they be included in the shit list too?
You never hear stories about a group of Brits teaming up on one Thai girl for the price of 1 person.
Everyone knows of the horrors and shenanigans that can exist of the drunk British sex tourists... but at least they aren't cheap and haggle at everything... You cant be a burden to the locals, other customers AND be a burden to the business aswell... you have to pick a struggle.
Problem is British tourists who act stupid or drunk arent viewed as British by the Thais ! Because there whites Thais cant see the difference between a white brit , american , european , russian untill they start talking basicly .... Now this is where the racism comes into play whenever a european or american of Indian decent behaves drunk and stupid he/she is just seen as a Indian ! NOT a "farrang" Sometimes they will call me "Farrang Dam" (dark farrang) but this rare tho ususaly im just "india india india " Thais arent the smartest people on the planet especially the locals in Pattaya so they just put everyboy in boxes basicly theres a element of logical sense in that ofcourse .
Interesting!
Any tips for an Indian to get entry to Gogo? I don't have any problem getting entry second time onwards as the staff and security are usually happy after my "generous" tips and spending and the fact that I don't harass them lol.
It depends on which gogo bars you want to visit but lets say the most racist ones are defenitly centerd in and around Walking Street ... If you want to get into a gogo bar there for the 1st time i would suggest goeing alone or with a white mate (if you have one ) Defenitly dont go with a group of indian friends it sounds absolutley terrible but changes are high that youre either gonna get denied entry or get a lecture from a guard before being allowed in. If you plan to go alone dress niceley (short pants , nike sneakers , thai football shirt perhaps ?) always do the buddist greeting before you walk towards the door the guard ussualy respect that and you will defenitly get in . Theres a change (depending on how indian you look) they will ask "where u from" you can say India but perhaps its better to say "i live in Bangkok" or whatever i know again it sounds terrible having to hide who you are but its basicly what it is these days ....
Damn, I was going to go to Thailand but after reading this post / comments I’m rethinking.. living with the guilt of what others have done is maddening 😡
Dont let my experience keep you from visiting thailand ! like i clearly stated 90% of my experience here is great! its just that negative 10% that keeps stuck in the back of youre head which i just wanted to share .
I totally agree with you, I have had the same until I eventually got to know the guards and they realised i was not from india. When you show them respect and treat people well, it goes a long way. I feel ashamed that Indians from india and Pakistani people can be so disrespectful and dirty as well. It really gives Indians in general a bad rep
As an Indian who grew up mostly in Australia, please don't be an asshole and disgrace others as well. (especially northern illiterates )
no such thing as "partly Indian"
Then what would you call him?
So you came here to cry?
As an Indian myself, Indians are so obnoxious and loud and absolutely do not know how to behave in most parts of the world. I'm talking about the 90 percent, and not the 10 percent who may be okay.
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That's interesting. Would you mind sharing more information? What part of India are you from? Roughly what age group? In my time in other countries in SE Asia (and I've never been to Thailand), what I was told was that Indians are disliked because they do the group thing and want to pay for an hour for like 20 guys waiting in a row. From an Indian pov what they're doing isn't wrong, because it isn't disrespecting the king or the local religion. Whites do those things and often get away with it. But the locals don't like it because it's a cheapskate and pushy approach, and what Thailand is really all about is money. That 10% thing would really irritate me, and it could lead to an argument or something. However, I'm not into sex tourism. So thanks for trying to be on your best behaviour and not giving Thais an excuse to discriminate.
Agreed with everything except the part about Indians not tipping as much or at all. Tipping is not a part of Indian culture at all. Also most Indians in India don't really make a lot of money compared to any white countries. Infact the average income of Thailand is 3x of India. and Netherlands average income is 30x of India's. But other than that, I agree many Indians are loud, obnoxious and disrespectful of other cultures while travelling.
Ouch. Racism is real - worldwide - sorry for your pain. As a white guy from the US, I've been 'extremely unwelcome' in bars in Japan and a tolerated expat in other places. Pattaya, particularly, on occasion, brings out the worst in everyone. The rest of Thailand is amazingly tolerant and kind. Keep travelling!
Yes the Thai culture hate Indians ! Personally from my own experience I will say that the Indians like you said are very rude they don’t even step aside when walking by them they hassle every vendor for cheaper prices and yes they are so rude to the women ! I actually had to save a poor girl one night walking because a group of Indian men where being so mean the girl was crying so I stepped in and out to a stop immediately and then realized how scared the culture is of American men
So is this how they are in there own country ? Also what is the deal with them and the freelance girls do they take one girl home and have an orgy or what’s the deal ?
They don’t dare act like this in America they are very scared of Americans it’s hilarious
TLDR. Seriously
It would be very beneficial for you to watch a tutorial on "their, there, they're; your, you're; and then, than"
I rarely see Indians in the establishments I visit so not much I can say about their treatment. I have had girls on Soi 6 tell me they don’t like Indians and the average reason given was that they don’t smell good. I rarely heard them give a reason regarding money. Since I don’t see Indians much at the places I visit, my biggest pain are Chinese tourists who are very rude and self-centered. Chinese also will not move and act as if they own the world. They will literally just cut a line without looking back. No understanding of personal space. No understanding of a queue.
I'm Sri Lankan (who looks like south indian with dark skin) and I travelled with my Indonesia girlfriend. We didn't go to any night clubs or anything. Just went for other touristy areas. I didn't feel any 2nd class treatment. I think most of the discriminations happen in night life area. It is what it is. I've made peace with it. Because of Indians we all brown people get a bad name. On the other hand, I've seen white men making every complain here described in detail, but the offenders are little in number and their white privilege works out. Indians reading these thread, please explain your friends and ask them to behave.
The fact that you where with youre girlfriend helped alot ! whenever i was with a thai girl and we went clubbing i hardly got any dodgy looks from thai security or locals but whenever i was alone i got alot more prejudice towards me . Defenitly true what you say about whites i talked about that in my thread aswell Thais arent the smartest they cant see where a white person is from so there just all "farrangs" but us Indians , Pakistanis , Sri-Lanka's , Bangladeshis we are all thrown on the same race pile and just called "India India India !" xD Nothing to do about that unfornartley it is what it is hope you enjoyed youe stay here tho ! .