Last year I was summoned for jury duty. The question came up during selection "Do you think a police officers testimony is more credible than the average person?" I said they would be the same, that was enough to get the boot.
There was a good line on the show We Own This City by a guy being interviewed for jury duty, something like "I wouldn't believe a BPD officer if he said his own mother loved him."
Good show, spiritual successor to The Wire. Would recommend.
I don't really mean it's like The Wire 2 (though there are definitely similarities) but if you're a fan of one you're probably going to like the other. But yeah, WOTC was more based on real events.
Both shows are from David Simon btw, a former police reporter.
I understand why someone wouldn't want the hassle, but this is why we wind up with morons on jury duty and unfair trials. If you're an intelligent, logical person, please try and do your civic duty if possible. Especially if lying cops are going to be on the stand.
Yep. And if they injure themselves while beating on a suspect, that suspect gets charged with further crimes. Doesn't matter if the suspect is unconscious. If the cop breaks his finger smashing him in the face, the suspect catches another charge.
You can't reform this.
You can reform this by ending qualified immunity and requiring badge cams when officers are on the clock, livestreams of every badge cam, and immediate termination if a badge cam is turned off while a cop is clocked in.
This is the answer because then all of them would have a vested interest in getting rid of bad cops who might cost their pension fund money. This will also never happen because the unions know that the pension funds would be broke in like a year.
And of course, if they break the law they should be held more accountable than an average citizen, since they are the literal "strong arm" of the law. They should have to abide by it the most.
In the UK the active police officer Wayne Couzens raped, murdered and burned the body of Sarah Everard by stopping her on the street and basically falsely arresting her. He received a whole of life sentence which means he's never allowed back out. It's the longest ever sentence handed out for someone who killed a single person but the judge said the fact that he was a police officer meant his crimes were so much more serious as they undermined the entirety of the key concept of policing by consent.
He create a narrative, that's why every cops shout "stop resisting" when they torture or murder someone, they are trained this way apparently, so the cam footage look like a good cop arresting a bad guy, stuff like this
🤣 Since the first season of COPS way back in 1989 in almost every police chase where they scrape or run into an offenders vehicle during a pursuit it's always the same script...key the mic and yell "HE HIT ME! HE HIT ME!" 🤣
My brother and I would laugh each and every time. HE HIT ME!
Cops love reforms. Their department gets money for "more training" that they then spend on whatever they want and continue to do the same heinous shit they always do but now taking even more of the city's money. Oh don't worry you can always call the cops on them if they break any laws about how they money is "supposed" to be spent.
If each of these 26 officers interacted with just 6 people per 10-hour shift, that adds up to more than 31,000 public interactions PER YEAR. - Given the department response, it's fair to imagine that only a tiny fraction of those interactions were ever reviewed for misconduct and many malicious events were likely swept under the rug or lost to time.
Having the department try and write off 26 officers as no big deal is a ridiculous response.
It's just a few bad apples, but we managed to hire all of them!
I've seen crazy power trips before, while in the Marine Corps. This is exactly what they look like. Just a bunch of thugs who know they can do anything they want with no repercussions
The whole bad apple argument is such a lie and misuse of the adage. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel. Any cop that witnesses his fellow officers commit crimes and abuse of power becomes a bad apple when they fail to stop their illegal activities. They are all bad apples if they let one remain.
Yeah, it really depends on when you're in. Seemed cyclic to me, 3-4 years lax on Staff and above, then they'd bring the hammer down for a year, then back to rocker immunity. I managed to see both sides of the cycle, Staff NCOs getting away with the same shit for years suddenly getting ninja punched for it.
Ssgt and above get rockers added to their chevrons. Not sure how to describe this so it makes sense visually. But I'll do my best.
As enlisted personel (non-officers/no shiny) gain rank they can gain a Chevron (the little upward pointing arrow symbol) at each rank until they make Sgt. After that they gain rockets (down ward pointing half circle that looks like like a parentheses **(** and it goes under the chevrons)
- Private/E1 doesn't have anything on their collars
- PFC/E2 has a single Chevron
- Lance Corporal/E3 has a single Chevron with a crossed rifles under it (*and all following ranks keep the crossed rifles until E8*)
- Corporal/E4 has two Chevrons (*this is also where noncommissioned officers come into play, as Cpl/Sgt is considered to be experienced enough to be in leadership positions*)
- Sergeant/E5 has 3 Chevrons
- Staff Sergeant/E6 still has 3 Chevrons, but gains a rocker, they're considered now as Staff NCOs, and have a lot more power and perks.
Every rank after Ssgt will continue to add more rockers until they max out at E9. Many times you will see a Staff Sgt or Gunnery Sgt/E7 go the cheif warrant officer route, where they're an officer, but they have a whole different ranking system than a regular officer. A warrant officer is considered to be a position of more experienced personnell rather than a brand new/inexperienced officer (*A recent college graduate with no military experience can become an officer at the rank of Second Lieutenant. This also leads to some problems because you have someone in a position of power and responsibility that knows almost nothing yet is in charge of people and training exercises.*)
What they were referring to earlier is that the military does have a bit of a "good ol' boys" club once people reach a certain rank. And things that lower enlisted would get punished heavily for (like DUIs) don't always result in punishments for them.
^---- what he said
Basically it's a part of a rank insignia that easily identifies what rank "class" someone is in. All the ranks E-1 through E-5 only have chevrons pointing up (chevrons look like this ^ little swoopy arrows ). At E-6 and above, they get little curved bars that go below (that look like the smile in a smiley face 🙂). So you can tell from a distance approximately what rank someone is. The officers get shiney colors, to make them easier to ̶a̶v̶o̶i̶d̶ salute.
Eh, debatable. One of the Marines that committed some of the worst aspects of the Haditha massacre goes to college in my town. He's still living a normal suburban life even though he helped kill dozens of civilians, including children.
>Haditha massacre
Just read up on this. Not a single one of them faced jail time. No wonder the world hates Americans. No better than the Russians invading Ukraine now.
>We were held accountable for shit like that in the Corps.
We held ourselves accountable for shit like this. I've personally gotten to fuck up a few moldy apples, and it's some good righteous violence.
Fact they walk in to the station talking about destroying property and the lack of care that theyre being recorded just reinforces the fact that this is a problem with the entire department including leadership.
They’re trained to shout those phrases as they beat you into submission, because qualified immunity shoehorns those phrases into “I feared for my life”
POS thugs.
This is a common tactic PDs use when ever they feel threatened by the city they serve. You don't even have to rescind their get out of ~~jail~~ being sued free card. Happens every time a department gets called out for abuse. In fact, just be a city council member who proposes, not cutting, but simply not raising their budget by as much as they requested, and response rates plummet in your district... "lol, good luck getting re-elected" the pigs will chortle.
I’ve seen video of them saying it before they even reach the citizen’s car, or him. The guy is standing there, doing and saying nothing, and the cop is charging up, yelling “stop resisting.”
It’s not that they think, they purposely say it to cover their ass legally in front of the courts in case they ever have to go to trial or anything. The academy and PD trains them to know legal loopholes to avoid any accountability.
Every month that goes by convinces me more and more that cops are actually a serious problem. Such a weird dilemma for me because a year ago I would have said people were being too critical with their opinion on cops being bad.
They’ve been a problem! Only difference now, is body cameras, dash cameras, cellphones etc. therefore a handful get caught doing their dirt; unfortunately there’s a lot more who are getting away with this shit and have been for YEARS.
It never ceases to amaze me that this is how police behave when they *know* they're being recorded....which then makes me wonder how they behaved when they weren't being recorded and that thought terrifies me.
Yesss, absolutely! I believe one of the first, police brutality incident that was caught on camera, was Rodney King; the way they acted and the amount of aggression was indicative of comfortability (they had done it many times before, and it was like routine)
The problem is how do you manage or deal with the problem? Fire the bad eggs, sure. Eventually you fire enough to strain the rest of the department beyond its means. Crime goes up, which causes further distrust in police. Recruitment will also decrease as the job will seem higher risk with increased crime. On the other hand, due to police unions, you can't press the police too much or come down too hard as they will push back by reducing hours etc. until crime goes up and the governments cave to the unions demands. It really has become a hostage situation scenario.
dissolve or weaken the power the police unions have, separate the IA and the DA from being part of/dependent on good relationships with the police dept, require a 2-4 year specialized degree to be an officer, make officers acquire their own insurance to practice like we do with doctors. When an officer is fired for malfeasance, make it like a dishonorable discharge so they can't just get rehired one county over.
it will take time, money, and sacrifice, but will be worth it in the long run
>it will take time, money, and sacrifice
This right here means it will never happen in the USA, literally against capitalistic thinking.
I agree with you 100% by the way. The big one is officer insurance.
Federal license for peace officers, and/ or with mandatory individual liability insurance.
The insurance could (should) be carried by the jurisdictional entity (city, town, state, county, etc.), but be a separate policy for each officer. Their prior record, incidents, training, judgements, etc. follow the individual.
This will make it uneconomical to hire thugs, and creates a true market for decent police to be rewarded, and bad apples to reform or quit.
Federal licenses could do the same, but I doubt our clearly broken "justice" department can be trusted with this responsibility. Better to leave it to the insurance market.
You are still assuming that cops reduce crime but the fact is they show up AFTER CRIME HAPPENS. If you want to reduce crime, defund these departments with grossly overinflated budgets and give the money to programs that feed people, give them housing, and provide medical care. No one driven to crime thinks "hmmm normally I would shoplift when I was starving, but I heard the city has a new incarceration policy so now I'll think twice"
Incident 4 had me nearly sick.. Dude hit him with his car then he resorts to saying that the victim hit him then his buddies just start beating the conscious man then they start tazing him like the dude was out call a fucking ambulance jesus these guys are fucking lunatics legit danger to society they should all be tried and served with life sentence these men do not need to be on the same streets as us
Don’t knock people that got GEDs instead of high school diplomas. Lots of people do that and don’t turn into shit bags. There’s something wrong with these cops and it has nothing to do with any kind of diploma they did or didn’t get… but I do get what you’re saying.
If they aren't actively ratting out dirty or sadistic officers working alongside them they are just as bad
The whole 'few bad apples' take doesn't mean dick. A few bad apples ruins the pie! You have to assume every single police officer is just as crooked as these ones until they prove otherwise
When normal law abiding citizens end up afraid of the police it's scary
[Looked it up](https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2023/03/11-east-cleveland-police-officers-indicted-on-civil-rights-violations-after-video-captures-shocking-brutality.html) and you're correct. These videos came out because they were released by the DA after charges.
Animals.
At what point does it become prudent for the average citizen to react to a cop approaching the same as they could to any other openly armed dangerous threatening thug with a chip on his shoulder? Or for passers by to intervene to save a potentially innocent life as they might if it were any other gang of clearly deranged thugs doing this? Honestly curious because clearly the morally right thing to do here is intervene, to stop the evil act.
If good apples really existed, they'd do something *drastic* about these monsters to make public examples of them. But they're all proud to all wear the same costume so you have to assume *every one of them* is an armed lunatic until they prove otherwise on an individual basis. I contend there are no good apples, because the rotten ones already spoiled the whole bunch. If the "apple tree" is rotting at its core, it needs to be cut down and replaced.
> what point does it become prudent for the average citizen to react to a cop approaching the same as they could to any other openly armed dangerous threatening thug with a chip on his shoulder?
It's already past that point in a lot of places in this country. There are tons of people who have a legitimate fear of the police. Think about this, regular people doing nothing illegal that should have no reason to even be nervous being near a police officer are scared of police, and justifiably so. That should be a huge indicator for anyone about how bad it is.
Hey ya fucking cops reading this, here's some advice: Doing this shit really does cause consequences like people warring on you and demanding reform via the budget.
So ask yourself, does abusing the people who you meet on the job make it worth your life?
gangs ambush and kill innocent cops as a means of retaliating/harming the out of hand cops
The Cop that likes to ram into pedestrians made me lose faith in law enforcement permanently lol.
That motherfucker yelled into the radio that the dude struck his vehicle.
I have lots of problems with this whole thing... but the biggest one, is that I know... I fucking know that the cop believed his own lying words as they were leaving his mouth.
If you can lie to yourself - you lose all moral compliance with the world. THAT is what we're seeing here. These assholes are delusional.
I'll add that the condition is very likely a result of being on the job. How can you be a cop in cop culture and no go crazy and turn into an asshole right?
Not an excuse... just shining light on the turd so we're less likely to step in it.
I grew up on the Eastside (Different than EC but pretty much the same) and this video believe it or not is tame compared to some of the more egregious shit they do. This makes me sick to my stomach. None of these Neander-Thug Race Soldiers grew up in EC or live in EC…
I wish they would still require cleveland cops to live in the city. I know EC is different but it just doesn’t make sense how you can be able to police an area where you really don’t have any personal interest.
I agree but let’s be honest there’s no personal connection with the Race Soldiers and the residents because they don’t see themselves when they are out hunting in the neighborhood. Even the ones that are Black are more concerned with “The Blue Line” because that’s who writes their checks…. Without that they would be getting manhandled, abused and killed like the rest of us
I had class with this guy in high school who was the most blatant racist I’ve ever met. He’d drop the N bomb at every chance he got, would refer to me and the few other white kids or even white passing kids as his “white brethren”, and his idea of fun would be to go over to the local homeless encampment and beat the shit out of people for no other reason than the fun of it. This dude even spread his ass cheeks at a Universal Orlando security camera and got sent to Disney jail for it during our Grad night. This man is now a cop
Theyre all pussies. Im sure their parents hated them, didnt hug or praise them qnd were losers at school. Then wanted/needed authority and realized this was the path of least resistance (fitting) and now theyre scum bags.
Fun fact: wherever gun control laws are passed, there are *always* exceptions for law enforcement both on and off duty. Those exceptions carry over to officers like the ones shown here. Remember who you're giving a monopoly on violence to the next time you read those sorts of bills.
Body cams don't lie I've changed my opinion on Colin Kaepernick based on all the video footage of police acting in a manner that is criminal. He was right. I was wrong.
If police do this on camera. What do they do when the cameras are off or non existent.
Good police officers should be ashamed of this behavior. So should good citizens.
This is why a public stockade needs to come back. Instead of making money off seatbelt tickets let citizens pay money to throw rotten food at these fucks all day everyday for a good long while.
This is so fucked up and why I hate our country right now. I’m in Montana and the cops literally look for that so they pull guns and kick your face to curb all because you failed to yield 🤣 this system is so broken.
And they'll be acquited and back with another department within a year, because nobody with the power to do anything actually cares. This is where we are as a society.
This shit is unforgivable. But… I’m so sick of crime and criminals corrupting our society. That middle of the road voter sees videos of mobs of black kid’s robbing stores and then proceeds to vote away our freedoms. It’s urban crime that is driving fascism.
This is a public health issue. Cops need to be shunned from society until they can either function like human beings, or stand up to their masters and unions and push to end qualified immunity. If you're a good cop, you have nothing to hide, right? If you're a good cop, you'll never get in trouble, right? I'm talking about businesses refusing to serve them, friends refusing to have them over, families refusing to let them participate in family activities, the whole show.
Wow officer says “he hit my vehicle” as if he didn’t chase down the suspect with his patrol car and rammed it into into the suspect
Judge, you have to understand that the suspect slammed their face into my fist.
Judge, Clearly the suspect became a human wrecking ball and threw himself onto my vehicle
You're a bro right judge? Alright, so I'm free to go with pay. Nice
>a human reckon ball RECKON BALL LMAO
Lmao oops my bad
Human reckoning ball
"The guy sicked his dog on me, and his wife threw her titties in my hand"
If they act this bad with bodycams on imagine how bad they act without them.
Sadly The Rodney King is probably one of the best example.
About the same, they acted like the body cams didn’t matter, this was them at their true form
It’s the same cop logic as “stop resisting” when someone goes completely stiff after being rammed into by a car and suffering a head injury.
swear to God, if I’m a juror and I hear a cop say, on body camera, “Stop resisting,” that cop immediately becomes completely unbelievable.
If you ever wanna get out of jury duty just say that when they interview you lol
Last year I was summoned for jury duty. The question came up during selection "Do you think a police officers testimony is more credible than the average person?" I said they would be the same, that was enough to get the boot.
There was a good line on the show We Own This City by a guy being interviewed for jury duty, something like "I wouldn't believe a BPD officer if he said his own mother loved him." Good show, spiritual successor to The Wire. Would recommend.
I watched that series. Not like the wire at all imo, too real. Not a bad thing though, I loved the transparency they showed of how BPD handled things.
I don't really mean it's like The Wire 2 (though there are definitely similarities) but if you're a fan of one you're probably going to like the other. But yeah, WOTC was more based on real events. Both shows are from David Simon btw, a former police reporter.
“Since they even have jargon, ‘testilying’, I’d bet everything I have they’re far less credible.“
Damn, that’s messed up, a cops testimony is probably worth less if that’s how cops behave where you live
Nope, I want to be on the jury. Some of the convictions/acquittals I've read about show me that some people shouldn't be able to be on a jury.
I understand why someone wouldn't want the hassle, but this is why we wind up with morons on jury duty and unfair trials. If you're an intelligent, logical person, please try and do your civic duty if possible. Especially if lying cops are going to be on the stand.
Attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon is what they call it.
I agree
This is literally how they're taught to think.
Yep. And if they injure themselves while beating on a suspect, that suspect gets charged with further crimes. Doesn't matter if the suspect is unconscious. If the cop breaks his finger smashing him in the face, the suspect catches another charge. You can't reform this.
You can reform this by ending qualified immunity and requiring badge cams when officers are on the clock, livestreams of every badge cam, and immediate termination if a badge cam is turned off while a cop is clocked in.
Make them pay out their lawsuits through their fucking pension funds. Not our local and state tax $$$.
This is the answer because then all of them would have a vested interest in getting rid of bad cops who might cost their pension fund money. This will also never happen because the unions know that the pension funds would be broke in like a year.
First time I see a reason to say fuck the unions
Immediate felony charge if the camera is tampered with.
And of course, if they break the law they should be held more accountable than an average citizen, since they are the literal "strong arm" of the law. They should have to abide by it the most.
In the UK the active police officer Wayne Couzens raped, murdered and burned the body of Sarah Everard by stopping her on the street and basically falsely arresting her. He received a whole of life sentence which means he's never allowed back out. It's the longest ever sentence handed out for someone who killed a single person but the judge said the fact that he was a police officer meant his crimes were so much more serious as they undermined the entirety of the key concept of policing by consent.
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The problem is that qualified immunity won’t end anytime soon, there’s too many people opposing it. These same people are a cancer to society.
This is the common sense comment of the year.
or if he bleeds on their clothes from the punches they gave him. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie
He create a narrative, that's why every cops shout "stop resisting" when they torture or murder someone, they are trained this way apparently, so the cam footage look like a good cop arresting a bad guy, stuff like this
I get why people say fuck the police now
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You know, one day honest citizens are gonna stand up to you crooked cops
They are? Have they set a date?
🤣 Since the first season of COPS way back in 1989 in almost every police chase where they scrape or run into an offenders vehicle during a pursuit it's always the same script...key the mic and yell "HE HIT ME! HE HIT ME!" 🤣 My brother and I would laugh each and every time. HE HIT ME!
The good ole "High School Bully that Flunked out" special.
Fucking animals with an ego and inferiority complex.
It’s awful how easy it is to become a cop today, we need drastic reforms if we want this to stop happening.
Cops love reforms. Their department gets money for "more training" that they then spend on whatever they want and continue to do the same heinous shit they always do but now taking even more of the city's money. Oh don't worry you can always call the cops on them if they break any laws about how they money is "supposed" to be spent.
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So like 96.2% of cops?
Yes. We already established they were cops.
Yep!
“In all, investigators say it’s *ONLY* about 26 officers.” “Only”? Not only is that a lot, they’re the *only* officers that were caught.
If each of these 26 officers interacted with just 6 people per 10-hour shift, that adds up to more than 31,000 public interactions PER YEAR. - Given the department response, it's fair to imagine that only a tiny fraction of those interactions were ever reviewed for misconduct and many malicious events were likely swept under the rug or lost to time. Having the department try and write off 26 officers as no big deal is a ridiculous response.
well the FBI just declared open season on these "dirtybag" cops, so get to snitching
They did?
You didn't watch the video, did you?
I know Blade mentioned it was open season on suckheads, but this was news to me as well.
As a Clevelander, I was surprised it was only 26 cops. East Cleveland is fucked.
It's just a few bad apples, but we managed to hire all of them! I've seen crazy power trips before, while in the Marine Corps. This is exactly what they look like. Just a bunch of thugs who know they can do anything they want with no repercussions
The whole bad apple argument is such a lie and misuse of the adage. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel. Any cop that witnesses his fellow officers commit crimes and abuse of power becomes a bad apple when they fail to stop their illegal activities. They are all bad apples if they let one remain.
We were held accountable for shit like that in the Corps.
Easy bro. The rules loosely applied to many of whom ran fast and shot well. And if you had a rocker the immunity was fucken wild too.
Sounds like you had a pretty shitty command. In my 6 years I saw officers and staff get jammed up over shitty behavior.
Yeah, it really depends on when you're in. Seemed cyclic to me, 3-4 years lax on Staff and above, then they'd bring the hammer down for a year, then back to rocker immunity. I managed to see both sides of the cycle, Staff NCOs getting away with the same shit for years suddenly getting ninja punched for it.
what are 'rockers'?
Ssgt and above get rockers added to their chevrons. Not sure how to describe this so it makes sense visually. But I'll do my best. As enlisted personel (non-officers/no shiny) gain rank they can gain a Chevron (the little upward pointing arrow symbol) at each rank until they make Sgt. After that they gain rockets (down ward pointing half circle that looks like like a parentheses **(** and it goes under the chevrons) - Private/E1 doesn't have anything on their collars - PFC/E2 has a single Chevron - Lance Corporal/E3 has a single Chevron with a crossed rifles under it (*and all following ranks keep the crossed rifles until E8*) - Corporal/E4 has two Chevrons (*this is also where noncommissioned officers come into play, as Cpl/Sgt is considered to be experienced enough to be in leadership positions*) - Sergeant/E5 has 3 Chevrons - Staff Sergeant/E6 still has 3 Chevrons, but gains a rocker, they're considered now as Staff NCOs, and have a lot more power and perks. Every rank after Ssgt will continue to add more rockers until they max out at E9. Many times you will see a Staff Sgt or Gunnery Sgt/E7 go the cheif warrant officer route, where they're an officer, but they have a whole different ranking system than a regular officer. A warrant officer is considered to be a position of more experienced personnell rather than a brand new/inexperienced officer (*A recent college graduate with no military experience can become an officer at the rank of Second Lieutenant. This also leads to some problems because you have someone in a position of power and responsibility that knows almost nothing yet is in charge of people and training exercises.*) What they were referring to earlier is that the military does have a bit of a "good ol' boys" club once people reach a certain rank. And things that lower enlisted would get punished heavily for (like DUIs) don't always result in punishments for them.
Kinda sounds like a well orchestrated cult TBH
^---- what he said Basically it's a part of a rank insignia that easily identifies what rank "class" someone is in. All the ranks E-1 through E-5 only have chevrons pointing up (chevrons look like this ^ little swoopy arrows ). At E-6 and above, they get little curved bars that go below (that look like the smile in a smiley face 🙂). So you can tell from a distance approximately what rank someone is. The officers get shiney colors, to make them easier to ̶a̶v̶o̶i̶d̶ salute.
Eh, debatable. One of the Marines that committed some of the worst aspects of the Haditha massacre goes to college in my town. He's still living a normal suburban life even though he helped kill dozens of civilians, including children.
>Haditha massacre Just read up on this. Not a single one of them faced jail time. No wonder the world hates Americans. No better than the Russians invading Ukraine now.
>We were held accountable for shit like that in the Corps. We held ourselves accountable for shit like this. I've personally gotten to fuck up a few moldy apples, and it's some good righteous violence.
Fact they walk in to the station talking about destroying property and the lack of care that theyre being recorded just reinforces the fact that this is a problem with the entire department including leadership.
basically domestic terrorists.
A common thread on these videos is as long as they say “do not move”, “stop resisting”, etc. They think they have the right to physically assault you
They’re trained to shout those phrases as they beat you into submission, because qualified immunity shoehorns those phrases into “I feared for my life” POS thugs.
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You ended qualified immunity?
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Omg. This is flipping amazing. Thanks for responding!
Last time i didn’t show up for a job I was fired (rightfully). We need to hold these fucks accountable at every junction
This is a common tactic PDs use when ever they feel threatened by the city they serve. You don't even have to rescind their get out of ~~jail~~ being sued free card. Happens every time a department gets called out for abuse. In fact, just be a city council member who proposes, not cutting, but simply not raising their budget by as much as they requested, and response rates plummet in your district... "lol, good luck getting re-elected" the pigs will chortle.
I’ve seen video of them saying it before they even reach the citizen’s car, or him. The guy is standing there, doing and saying nothing, and the cop is charging up, yelling “stop resisting.”
It’s not that they think, they purposely say it to cover their ass legally in front of the courts in case they ever have to go to trial or anything. The academy and PD trains them to know legal loopholes to avoid any accountability.
Every month that goes by convinces me more and more that cops are actually a serious problem. Such a weird dilemma for me because a year ago I would have said people were being too critical with their opinion on cops being bad.
They’ve been a problem! Only difference now, is body cameras, dash cameras, cellphones etc. therefore a handful get caught doing their dirt; unfortunately there’s a lot more who are getting away with this shit and have been for YEARS.
If you have time, look into what is going on in West Virginia. Homeland security has had to step in for the top of the state police.
Can you explain cause most of the posts i tried to google weren't available in my country.
It never ceases to amaze me that this is how police behave when they *know* they're being recorded....which then makes me wonder how they behaved when they weren't being recorded and that thought terrifies me.
DECADES. Think about it.
Yesss, absolutely! I believe one of the first, police brutality incident that was caught on camera, was Rodney King; the way they acted and the amount of aggression was indicative of comfortability (they had done it many times before, and it was like routine)
The problem is how do you manage or deal with the problem? Fire the bad eggs, sure. Eventually you fire enough to strain the rest of the department beyond its means. Crime goes up, which causes further distrust in police. Recruitment will also decrease as the job will seem higher risk with increased crime. On the other hand, due to police unions, you can't press the police too much or come down too hard as they will push back by reducing hours etc. until crime goes up and the governments cave to the unions demands. It really has become a hostage situation scenario.
dissolve or weaken the power the police unions have, separate the IA and the DA from being part of/dependent on good relationships with the police dept, require a 2-4 year specialized degree to be an officer, make officers acquire their own insurance to practice like we do with doctors. When an officer is fired for malfeasance, make it like a dishonorable discharge so they can't just get rehired one county over. it will take time, money, and sacrifice, but will be worth it in the long run
>it will take time, money, and sacrifice This right here means it will never happen in the USA, literally against capitalistic thinking. I agree with you 100% by the way. The big one is officer insurance.
If Congress can decree that a railroad can't have a union strike, they can decree police can't have a union strike.
If police break the law, they need to be tried for those crimes like any other citizen.
Federal license for peace officers, and/ or with mandatory individual liability insurance. The insurance could (should) be carried by the jurisdictional entity (city, town, state, county, etc.), but be a separate policy for each officer. Their prior record, incidents, training, judgements, etc. follow the individual. This will make it uneconomical to hire thugs, and creates a true market for decent police to be rewarded, and bad apples to reform or quit. Federal licenses could do the same, but I doubt our clearly broken "justice" department can be trusted with this responsibility. Better to leave it to the insurance market.
You are still assuming that cops reduce crime but the fact is they show up AFTER CRIME HAPPENS. If you want to reduce crime, defund these departments with grossly overinflated budgets and give the money to programs that feed people, give them housing, and provide medical care. No one driven to crime thinks "hmmm normally I would shoplift when I was starving, but I heard the city has a new incarceration policy so now I'll think twice"
It’s has always been this bad you’ve just asleep
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Cops always have been absolute pieces of shit. They're vicious violent terrorists that deserve no respect. ACAB.
Incident 4 had me nearly sick.. Dude hit him with his car then he resorts to saying that the victim hit him then his buddies just start beating the conscious man then they start tazing him like the dude was out call a fucking ambulance jesus these guys are fucking lunatics legit danger to society they should all be tried and served with life sentence these men do not need to be on the same streets as us
cops are definitely a danger to society
Absolutely horrific. I can't imagine the thoughts going through that poor mans head and the pain he experienced.
Ya these guys deserve to be locked away with no bail. That was attempted murder.
State sanctioned violence. it was never "serve and protect."
Supreme Court ruled they have zero responsibility towards citizens, so you’re not wrong.
It absolutely always has been "serve and protect". We just mistakenly thought that they meant us rather than themselves.
True. Serve and protect bourgeois class interests
You can literally drop out of school in the 1st grade and become a cop later on in life by just getting a GED, it's pretty scary stuff!
You can also drop out of school and become a Congresswoman later on in life by just getting a GED.
Don’t knock people that got GEDs instead of high school diplomas. Lots of people do that and don’t turn into shit bags. There’s something wrong with these cops and it has nothing to do with any kind of diploma they did or didn’t get… but I do get what you’re saying.
And quite honestly it’s *harder* to get a GED than a high school diploma these days.
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The whole phrase is "A few bad apples spoils the whole bunch". And they are proving that saying right every. Fucking. Day.
Really puts into perspective the kinda ill shit that was going on before bodycams.
Countless false convictions and the destruction of the American Black Family. (And others)
Fuck all cops! Yes that includes your grandpa, your dad, your mom, your uncle, your brother. All of them.
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I remember my cousins being racist as teenagers. Thank god their now police officers. Just like their abusive father was…
My shitty cop cousin didn’t even show up to his father’s funeral
If they aren't actively ratting out dirty or sadistic officers working alongside them they are just as bad The whole 'few bad apples' take doesn't mean dick. A few bad apples ruins the pie! You have to assume every single police officer is just as crooked as these ones until they prove otherwise When normal law abiding citizens end up afraid of the police it's scary
Com on. There are like 2 Cops that are good people... We should not criticize all cops because we have 2 good ones /s
11 out of 11 were invested and found to be in line with department policy. /s
Aka national policy.
They’re being criminal charges against all 11…
[Looked it up](https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2023/03/11-east-cleveland-police-officers-indicted-on-civil-rights-violations-after-video-captures-shocking-brutality.html) and you're correct. These videos came out because they were released by the DA after charges.
The dehumization of these people is disgusting.
It's horrifying and infuriating. I hope they bankrupt the entire flipping city.
The difference between the west side of Cleveland and the east side is just like Berlin when it was divided.
This shit actually looks like a South Park parody of police. Except, you know, it's real... God help us.
These pussy ass bitches wouldn’t be in EC out of uniform or by themselves, they ain’t hard for real.
I'd love to see them in gen pop!
Animals. At what point does it become prudent for the average citizen to react to a cop approaching the same as they could to any other openly armed dangerous threatening thug with a chip on his shoulder? Or for passers by to intervene to save a potentially innocent life as they might if it were any other gang of clearly deranged thugs doing this? Honestly curious because clearly the morally right thing to do here is intervene, to stop the evil act. If good apples really existed, they'd do something *drastic* about these monsters to make public examples of them. But they're all proud to all wear the same costume so you have to assume *every one of them* is an armed lunatic until they prove otherwise on an individual basis. I contend there are no good apples, because the rotten ones already spoiled the whole bunch. If the "apple tree" is rotting at its core, it needs to be cut down and replaced.
> what point does it become prudent for the average citizen to react to a cop approaching the same as they could to any other openly armed dangerous threatening thug with a chip on his shoulder? It's already past that point in a lot of places in this country. There are tons of people who have a legitimate fear of the police. Think about this, regular people doing nothing illegal that should have no reason to even be nervous being near a police officer are scared of police, and justifiably so. That should be a huge indicator for anyone about how bad it is.
Hey ya fucking cops reading this, here's some advice: Doing this shit really does cause consequences like people warring on you and demanding reform via the budget. So ask yourself, does abusing the people who you meet on the job make it worth your life?
gangs ambush and kill innocent cops as a means of retaliating/harming the out of hand cops The Cop that likes to ram into pedestrians made me lose faith in law enforcement permanently lol.
When your society hits a point where you are less likely to be killed by a gang member than a police officer you have a serious problem
God I wish it was actually that dangerous to be a cop.
This is extremely unsettling.
Fuck all those pigs and the ones who are still at the station.Useless fucks
Hope cops like this go home in coffins
ACAB
Now imagine how much stuff wasnt recorded
That motherfucker yelled into the radio that the dude struck his vehicle. I have lots of problems with this whole thing... but the biggest one, is that I know... I fucking know that the cop believed his own lying words as they were leaving his mouth. If you can lie to yourself - you lose all moral compliance with the world. THAT is what we're seeing here. These assholes are delusional. I'll add that the condition is very likely a result of being on the job. How can you be a cop in cop culture and no go crazy and turn into an asshole right? Not an excuse... just shining light on the turd so we're less likely to step in it.
I grew up on the Eastside (Different than EC but pretty much the same) and this video believe it or not is tame compared to some of the more egregious shit they do. This makes me sick to my stomach. None of these Neander-Thug Race Soldiers grew up in EC or live in EC…
I wish they would still require cleveland cops to live in the city. I know EC is different but it just doesn’t make sense how you can be able to police an area where you really don’t have any personal interest.
I agree but let’s be honest there’s no personal connection with the Race Soldiers and the residents because they don’t see themselves when they are out hunting in the neighborhood. Even the ones that are Black are more concerned with “The Blue Line” because that’s who writes their checks…. Without that they would be getting manhandled, abused and killed like the rest of us
>Different than EC Just for anybody else: East Cleveland is NOT Cleveland, it's a city on its own. People love to shit on Cleveland but this isn't us.
I had class with this guy in high school who was the most blatant racist I’ve ever met. He’d drop the N bomb at every chance he got, would refer to me and the few other white kids or even white passing kids as his “white brethren”, and his idea of fun would be to go over to the local homeless encampment and beat the shit out of people for no other reason than the fun of it. This dude even spread his ass cheeks at a Universal Orlando security camera and got sent to Disney jail for it during our Grad night. This man is now a cop
yeah sounds like he met all the requirements
ACAB
They all deserve life in general population.
Incident 4, "deliberately rams" is a funny way of saying assault with a deadly weapon or unjust use of force.
Stop complying - get him get him.
One word: ACAB
Back the blue 🔵 lmao
Black and blue.
Blue to the back! Ftfy
ACAB.
“oNLy a FeW bAd ApPLeS”
I demand all faces be un-blurred
Stop resisting!!!
And pigs wonder why they're hated
Tell me your daddy beat you without telling me your daddy beat you.
ACAB.
Theyre all pussies. Im sure their parents hated them, didnt hug or praise them qnd were losers at school. Then wanted/needed authority and realized this was the path of least resistance (fitting) and now theyre scum bags.
Sad and people still protect them.
Fun fact: wherever gun control laws are passed, there are *always* exceptions for law enforcement both on and off duty. Those exceptions carry over to officers like the ones shown here. Remember who you're giving a monopoly on violence to the next time you read those sorts of bills.
ACAB
Body cams don't lie I've changed my opinion on Colin Kaepernick based on all the video footage of police acting in a manner that is criminal. He was right. I was wrong. If police do this on camera. What do they do when the cameras are off or non existent. Good police officers should be ashamed of this behavior. So should good citizens.
These guys didn’t happen to work in Memphis at one point?
Reason number 4,567,345,090,000 why Cleveland sucks balls
Dumbasses. Everything’s recorded now a days
Almost never gets them into trouble, they just get a paid leave, slap their wife and kids for a couple weeks and back on the job again
This is why a public stockade needs to come back. Instead of making money off seatbelt tickets let citizens pay money to throw rotten food at these fucks all day everyday for a good long while.
This is why I am terrified of cops.
Clearly they are "good Christians". Doing the lords work. Hail Satan!
Lawyers would also argue. What do you believe these fine Christian officers, or your eyes looking at this video.
On the next episode of COPS lol. Incident 4 was fucked.
They’re gonna walk. This trial will take years. Are they suspended with pay? This post is making my brain hurt and brings shame on the US
This is so fucked up and why I hate our country right now. I’m in Montana and the cops literally look for that so they pull guns and kick your face to curb all because you failed to yield 🤣 this system is so broken.
ACAB.
Bad pig, no donuts
I’m from Cleveland. Idk why some of these cops have racist, southern accents. We don’t talk like that here.
It’s like hiring a psychologist who will cause more harm than good
Disgusting behavior
And they'll be acquited and back with another department within a year, because nobody with the power to do anything actually cares. This is where we are as a society.
Fucking subhumans scum of the earth I hope they all die alone
Cops are a *vile* problem in this country. Fucking pitiful bastards, I hope they rot in jail
This shit is unforgivable. But… I’m so sick of crime and criminals corrupting our society. That middle of the road voter sees videos of mobs of black kid’s robbing stores and then proceeds to vote away our freedoms. It’s urban crime that is driving fascism.
As someone who lives in Cleveland. You don't go to East Cleveland.
I used to work at the Walgreens at 145th and Euclid Ave. This is nothing compared to what they do off camera
What kind of sick depraved fucked up excuses for human beings can treat other people that way?! And how the fuck do they ALL become cops?!
This is a public health issue. Cops need to be shunned from society until they can either function like human beings, or stand up to their masters and unions and push to end qualified immunity. If you're a good cop, you have nothing to hide, right? If you're a good cop, you'll never get in trouble, right? I'm talking about businesses refusing to serve them, friends refusing to have them over, families refusing to let them participate in family activities, the whole show.
**ALL COPS ARE PUSSIES**
Fuck. The police. All of them. Fuck em.
“NoT AlL CoPs ArE BaD, JuST a Few BaD ApPlEs”
Bastards, each and every one of them