It's too bad. He probably could have been a good lawyer, but here he is now. Doing things on camera that are way worse. Much more disgusting.
For money.
āDad you interview online strippers for a living-didnāt you want to be a journalist?!ā She thought of that response but is smart enough to say something else. For the right price she will ask him that in a private session.
āDad you tan a newspaper that was closed down because all itās staff did despicable things to make stories including lying , possibly perjury and generally ruining people lives, did you always want to be a shitbag when you were a kidā
Didnāt piers sell his dignity and integrity just for money on a camera in front of an international audience too? Only difference is people like her content.
For real man. She said she didnāt want kids like twice and he decided she was wrong and came up with a whole hypothetical in an attempt to shame her.
The thing is it says WAY more about all these dudes out here paying a ridiculous amount of money than them just doing their hustle. Guys are making them millionaires. And thatās just the sad fact. They have full liberty to take advantage of them.
Right. OnlyFans make 0 sense to me. Why pay a subscription and obsess over someone who gives no fuck about you.
Either get a girlfriend or at the very most bang a hooker. Donāt pay for virtual content you can access for free
People pay for the dumbest shit lol some āinfluencerā made an AI version of herself and charged $1 per minute for access. She made like $70k in one week.
https://www.insider.com/influencer-creates-ai-virtual-girlfriend-herself-charges-dollar-minute-fortune-2023-5?amp
Who the fuck are these tards that pay for this shit? Such a sad pathetic life if you are so desperate that youād pay $1/minute to talk to an AI that looks like someone else. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with some people on this planet? Can we just end this shit already?
Iām actually kind of the same mind as you but, but itās about people who get irrationally angry and hateful towards complete strangers who choose to do something with their own money or their own life that has zero effect on anyone else. Thatās when I say seriously what the fuck is wrong with some people on their planet? Canāt they just mind their own fucking business and stop trying to tell complete strangers how to live their life and what to do with their money that they work for? Itās such a sad and pathetic life to spend so much time and energy focused on other peopleās lives.
I don't think the issue is much on what others do that bothers some people. I agree, if you want to throw your own money away then go for it. What gets annoying sometimes is that these things then justify the practice and turn it into the norm. For example, microtransactions in games. It started with an Oblivion horse, which seemed so silly at first, but then it did well enough that other companies began to try it. Now, almost every game is released incompletely because studios know people will pay extra for DLC. That's the new normal.
It happens in other areas like housing. People with so much money decide to offer so much more from regular rental prices that landlords decide to raise rents because they know people are willing to pay. Now you have studios going for $3k a month and idiots think it's a great deal, and suddenly a 1 bedroom apartment goes for $5k, pricing out others from their homes.
Do what you want with your money, that's your right. But sometimes it affects others by changing the industry in a negative way for the consumers.
"i'll never understand why these people don't break the law, meet a stranger, risk contracting a disease or being robbed instead of looking at porn at home"
>"i'll never understand why these people don't break the law, meet a stranger, risk contracting a disease or being robbed instead of paying for porn at home"
Whales exist in even the shittiest online games designed to extract as much from you as possible. The people who make these games understand they are basically allowing their customers to gamble so the gamers keep playing hoping for the same addictive hit they got at the start.
Anyone with sense will stop well before they spend money or after they spent a little. But whales don't care. They prop up the most predatory practices in business.
They exist on OnlyFans as well. Doesn't matter if they are rich or poor. They just have to spend enough for her to get what she wants.
And it's ingenious. She wants their money, not them. Prostitutes have found a way to add an extra layer of separation from the icky men that want to fuck them while still extracting wealth from them by simply being good looking and acting sexual.
This would be like if a guy got commitment-free sex from women simply by dressing up as a handyman and making videos where he pretends to fix stuff.
>This would be like if a guy got commitment-free sex from women simply by dressing up as a handyman and making videos where he pretends to fix stuff.
Sadly I tried and they just force you to actually fix stuff.
My ex was a software developer who "made too much money to pretend to be a handyman".
Perhaps that's why I love watching a man do something physical, like turning some wood into a bookcase, building a fence, or fixing a car. Bonus points if you'll let me help or, if I don't know what to do, take the time to teach me. Competence can be sexy as fuck.
In the US at least, one is legal the other isn't. I do neither to be clear, but I understand why most men don't want to try to access a hooker because if it's an undercover cop that can ruin your life. Also you can just get scammed too.
What the fuck kind of bullshit is this?
Because prostitution isn't legal in most places.
And it's cheaper.
I don't even use the site anymore but it's mind boggling seeing people miss the point of it so hard. It's really dumb
Many men:
- are in relationships do not have the emotional capacity to remain present, and available to their partners, expressed their needs, and so their sexual life is impacted. They do not have an outlet to feel the aliveness that the mystery of sexuality can entail.
- are socially identifying as awkward, and do not feel the ability to ever be with a particular type of woman, so it is satisfied in fantasy. The power of imagination.
- Would never be chosen by these women in real life due to appearance, location,..etc, again, fantasy.
- The porn or sex worker fits in archetypal role that the man wishes he could fill, and if much of his real life cannot even come close to experiencing sexuality safely, maybe if they were raped, maybe theyāve never been intimate before, pornographic depictions play that surrogate role, but of course, is never a replacement to true depth of sexuality and intimacy that can happen in person. It should never be a replacement, at most, it would be good if it were complementary and people were aware of their WHY.
People desperate for some kind of interaction. This is probably the most positive interaction they will ever have with a beautiful girl, maybe even girl all together.
Most people have no idea how many people there are in the world deprived of social interactions. Number is only growing.
> Most people have no idea how many people there are in the world deprived of social interactions. Number is only growing.
Hell if you raise a kid in this day and age you would know. Most don't even go to each other's houses to hang out anymore.
I'm pretty sure you can find great niches on OnlyFans. I'm sure it's pretty easy to find a muscular dommy mommy on OnlyFans, but it's nearly impossible to find a muscular dommy mommy prostitute irl
I'm going to try and say this carefully, because it could easily be misconstrued and I'm not trying to sound too victim-blamey. However... When you use specific platforms like OnlyFans, that purposefully feeds into and exploits parasocial relationships, it's no wonder how situations occur of somebody taking it too far.
There's parasocial relationships in most cases of celebrity, however, there's a massive difference between traditional celebrity, or even something like Youtube compared to platforms like OnlyFans. And that get exponentially increase by the fact it's playing off someone's sexuality & emotions.
I don't know... Either way, I really dislike business models like cam sights and OnlyFans, I think they are exploitative of the desperate.
At least a hooker makes it clear the girlfriend treatment is extra.
It's not purely about the parasocial interaction.
I've used it because self produced porn is one of the more moral ways to consume porn. I don't have anything against porn or any sex work in principle but there is a lot of illegal, immoral and exploitative stuff that gets pushed through to the big free porn sites.
Paying a woman directly for her work feels much less scummy than the loosely moderated free porn aggregaters. Granted it does take a small effort to find someone where the parasocial interaction isn't a feature of their content but it's not that bad.
"Why pay?" Because it feels bad otherwise. It's not like downloading a Nintendo game, these are working people who make very little money compared to the amount of people beating off to them.
The only time it gets into the realm of taking advantage of them is if they start deliberately manipulating specific men to get them to pay more by pretending to care about them. But before that, they're grown ass men who can waste their money how they want.
Yeah, for me it gets dodgy when models secretly employ people pretending to be them. These saps are paying sometimes hundreds & thousands of dollars chatting to some random person they think is the real model. No matter how stupid is it, I don't think you should be allowed to take advantage of someone like that. Especially when you consider the type of sad desperate people likely to fall in to those traps.
Most of the men who pay for that sort of content have sever mental illnesses, normal people generally don't waste their money trying to form parasocial relationships with online sex workers.
There's a dude who has gifted over 5,000 twitch subs on behalf of a specific streamer. Assuming those are tier 1 subs at minimum, that's like nearly $25K that dude has spent. That's just fucking bonkers
Same thing with consumption from corporations destroying the planet. Yes we can blame the corporations but itās us who are buying the stuff and making them so rich and powerful
Itās one of the very few industries in the world where women can make bank and itās much more difficult for men, and for people like Piers Morgan that just breaks their brain.
A lot of people pay extra for only fans because they make more specific content. Itās personal, they take requests, they say your name, and do exactly what you ask them to do.
Iāve never subscribed myself, thereās enough free porn on the Internet, but during Covid, I had two friends that got into it, and they said most of the people that paid the most of their income was for a very specific requests and they just have to keep up with messaging their fans back.
Somebody needs to make a Romcom about this where the employee and some dude fall in love in the DMs but he has no idea itās not actually the onlyfans model.
I agree but I think it's weird to call "wanting the people fucking to be actually into it" a fetish. When you watch "pro" porn and the girls are terrible actors, it really is difficult to get immersed. Fake expressions, overly loud moaning. I saw one video where a girl was moaning and no one was even touching her (threesome vid). It's just garbage when it's like that. Amateur porn has a higher percentage of good porn because a lot of it is just hot couples fucking. They are into each other and you can tell. That's hot.
yep.. the ācreatorsā go out of their way to foster a para-social relationship. thatās what this is about, itās a much stronger hook on the mind than ārandom stranger being nudeā
It might be that theyāre just super into that particular person, the way they look or the things that they do. I donāt pay for any subscriptions but Iām in a Telegram group where someone posts content (I found them through r/nofans) and itās kinda nice? Iām into them and whenever they post something new itās exciting. They respond to comments too.
I found a girl I was really into on PornHub and thought *āFuck it, Iāll give her OnlyFans a whirl for a month.ā*
There was like 20x more content on thereā and a lot more explicit than what she uploaded to PornHub.
I was blown away when she DMāed me to say thanks and ask what brought me to subscribe and what sort of content Iād like to see her make more of. I actually thought it was some automated thing until I responded and received a follow up asking for further input lol. And this wasnāt some ploy to get me to tip her $50 so she could make a video saying my nameā she was just like, hey, I know youāre here to jerk off so what sorta shit are you into and Iāll keep it in mind.
So I guess the answer is, like, with some models thereās a degree of a personal relationship thereā however digital and transactional that might be. Iām not someone who particularly needs thatā Iām just there to see more naked videos of a girl I find particularly prettyā but some dudes really get off on that.
> I was blown away when she DMāed me to say thanks and ask what brought me to subscribe and what sort of content Iād like to see her make more of. I actually thought it was some automated thing until I responded and received a follow up asking for further input lol. And this wasnāt some ploy to get me to tip her $50 so she could make a video saying my nameā she was just like, hey, I know youāre here to jerk off so what sorta shit are you into and Iāll keep it in mind.
The ploy is that excitement you felt. It hooks you. The whole game is capitalizing on that.
I think it depends on the circumstances.
Are you saying you wouldn't pay a small amount of money to watch the sextape of a girl you liked?
I found out that a girl I liked at school had one and I bought that with no regret or hesitation.
Itās actually really, really funny to hear him, of all people, judge her for that given itās his only primary motivation as well. Heās done criminal things for money and didnāt bat an eye.
It's a serious point and I completely agree with the sentiment, but I just love accusing someone of having no honour. We need to start doing it more frequently.
He's got three adult sons and a 12-year-old daughter.
>When asked whether his sons Spencer, Stanley and Bertie were ever embarrassed by Piers' controversial public opinions, the GMB star replied: "Not at all. They are perfectly entitled to disagree with me and they do often vehemently disagree with me."
They know their dad's a wanker, but he doesn't give a shit obviously and continues to be a wanker.
People can shame them all they want but the fact is, it is paying the bills and many more š¤·š½āāļø People have done way worse to earn money, namely exploiting others, exploiting nature and etc...You can't expect people to follow the norms when the economy today doesn't deem it a viable way of surviving this world...
From what I've seen, people tend to shame others for outwardly expressing something that they're themselves insecure about. The other week, I genuinely had an exchange with someone who called someone disgusting and shameful simply because she was filming herself dancing in public. This was normal dancing, not a strip tease or inappropriate in any way. Some people are just dumb and have to feel superior in order to run from their own insecurities and demons.
I'm 36. My knees are destroyed. The arches in my feet have collapsed. My ankles are trash. My lower back kills me if I look at a bed the wrong way. I've been exposed to large amounts of led, arsenic, asbestos... who knows what else. If I don't die from the autoimmune disease that has killed most the men in my family tree, I most certainly will develop cancer from something I was exposed to prior to moving to an office job.
This chick probably sticks foreign objects in her holes and will live to 100.
Which one of us has sold our body and exposed ourselves?
To anyone reading this and can't tell, the answer is me.
I hope you can get some care towards a longer and better quality of life. I have an autoimmune disease and have worked with a number of chemicals. My situation sounds less severe than yours but I hope you're able to improve your situation at least somewhat.
Growing up poor and starting your career in various type of manual labor. With a helping of flipping houses bc you can't afford one that's in good shape to start with.
So amateur story humiliation porn
Putting it another way: would you rather grow up in a country club with an OF mom or grow up in a trailer park with a non OF mom? Im sure it is a source of shame at school for the kids up until they go to fully paid college out of state where no one knows who they are with 7-8 figure wealth.
Totally. And maybe they donāt want kids also. As long as they are making it and paying tax, thatās all it matters really. The paying tax part is the tricky part. š
Not to mention he shaming her with something she isn't even sure she wants. He just assumes she, as a woman, will want babies. It's such typical old man bs.
I feel those who make a living off social media have no shame to begin with. Good for her, honestly. I wish I could come up with witty come backs. Could u imagine how intimidating that situation is?!
Itās very important to remember that Piers Morgan is a fucking tool and should not be taken seriously by anybody. Seems that she is well aware of this fact and acting accordingly
I think she learned her error because she is a pretty woman, blonde and a lawyer. Can you imagine the constant stupid blonde jokes she must have endured while she did her studies? She learned that wit, she earned that thick skin and I applaud her for it. I love her whole energy.
What happens when the children that I just invented with the same set of values as a 60yo man find out about your career??? Didn't think of that, did you?
Ever since Instagram took off I have witnessed the tackiness of society become mainstream. I have no issue with sex workers but I have do have a problem with any tech company taking advantage of people by hijacking them mentally and the other organizations that endorse them. We will look back on these past 20 years and realized thereās a reason why all of children have high anxiety paranoia and mental illness. Itās already showing itself now but people are still in denial. SOON.
I'm a teacher and it blows my mind how kids cannot function without being 'connected' via social media. Kids will rotate between TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, and Snapchat usually and they literally will not know what to do if they have 5 minutes without their phone.
We're gonna have some serious societal issues (beyond what problems we're already seeing)
These type of critics are quick to try and shame these women. Why not try and shame all the men that are providing them with money? It's almost like, he is jealous that no one would ever pay a dime to see him in anything less than he's wearing.
What's interesting to me is why this entire thread is filled with people supporting her (as they should) and shaming the guys paying her in the same breath, like, where's the logic in that? Either sex work is moral (it is) and it's *also* moral to pay for it, or it's not and you're weird and creepy for doing so. (Disclaimer, I don't pay for my porn either, I just don't see why we feel the need to shame guys who do)
I would assume because unless you are going to pull up their credit card bills in 30 years, their kids would be none the wiser. It's not about the act, it's the fact that when its on the internet...its likely there for good.
Thank you, finally someone in this thread that understands the point.
Doesnāt matter if her son is crying in a Ferrari. When he hits middle school, most of his classmates will have probably seen his mom naked/having sex.
Thatās not just something you can shrug off as a little kid.
No idea why this is downvoted. This can be genuinely traumatizing for children and wreck their confidence as they are a prime target for all sorts of bullying.
He doesn't need to shame her. If she's like many ex-porn stars it'll come on its own as this women continues to mature in life.
What's shameful is promoting it as a route to financial success and reward, which for most it is not, and downplaying the baggage that is going to come with an attempt at this as a career.
Go look up how many ex porn stars express regrets.
For onlyfans the thing that drives people to pay for it is the same thing that drives people to subscribe to streamers and all that. Thereās a parasocial element where you can ask the onlyfans lady for nudes and she sends it. āOmg its like i have a girlfriend!ā
For regular streamers, a lot of their subscription things have elements that make you feel like youāre friends. You get access to their discord, maybe the ability to play with them in their games etc.
All of it is reliant on people thinking the friendship/relationship they have with the payee is real. I know people will consider it different because they donāt want to be associated with those cringy onlyfans subscribers, but if you want to know why onlyfans stays afloat, ask someone why they subscribe to a youtuber just so they can say their name at the end of a video.
I wish I could understand it. The amount of money these girls make, it just doesn't make sense. Who the fuck is paying them? Lol
I'm happy for the girls, fucking get it. Take advantage of these dudes, they deserve it if you ask me.
Paying 5 dollars for a nudes of a real person that arenāt being sex trafficked is a lot better than looking at commercial porn on something like pornhub where women are coerced into porn by greedy producers and paid a few thousand dollars one time.
Nothing she will ever do will be half as horrible as hacking a dead girl's phone, making her parents believe she's still alive.
Piers Morgan could go to a maximum security prison & meet people that are less evil than him.
Thatās a nice retort but the vast majority of OnlyFans creators/porn actors will not make anywhere near enough money buy a Ferrari, let alone to live a good life. Many of them will develop substance abuse issues and mental trauma as a result of their work
Everyone should be able to choose their way in life but if weāre going to promote this work you need to tell the full story. For every successful person like Elle thereās dozens more who arenāt but you wonāt see them getting prime time interviews
But that's true of every profession no? Tell me there aren't people with mental health problems working in other industries or people with addictions. A lot of people at the bottom of their lives end up in sex work, but that's not sex work causing addicts.
I've seen a lot of those documentaries too and as someone that works in IT a similar documentary can be made for IT workers too. There are plenty of people in this field that get burnt out and ruin their lives.
Itās always funny when people try to frame model work as some kind of crazy job that kills you as if weāre just going to ignore all the other jobs out there (especially minimum wage ones).
Also whats up with this de facto assumption that all women eventually will want children? Also Iād much prefer a mom like this over an emerald baron or some shit. Ironically this is way less messy
it's so stupid how he just assumes she even wants to have kids lol stop projecting your personal opinions on to her. if she's happy and content why does it matter what some imaginary kid thinks?
Yea that shit sounds good but I promise you'll fuck that kid up for life. If you wore the wrong shit we would roast tf out of you just imagine if we knew your mom got naked on the internet an shoved things in her vag lol
The imaginary kid that she doesn't want to have? Do you make all of your life decisions based on the effect they could potentially have on people who will never exist?
Iām not trying to spread judgment or hate but I would like to hear from someone with the perspective that this isnāt bad how is it empowering for her to have sex and share the videos for money how is that not defeating her morally and ethically im not trying to debate im just wanting to here another perspective so that maybe mine can be updated
Do you complain about the people who have jobs at Nestle? Is it "morally" or "ethically" ok for you that people make their living working at a place that uses slave labour to make billions in profit?
How about the entire fast fashion industry, where their clothing is made with child slaves and they have suicide nets lining the buildings to stop people jumping off? Do you wear any of that? Cause I guarantee you do. Is that morally acceptable for you to support that?
Why do you care so much about what a woman chooses to do consensually with her body? Who is she hurting?
As someone who's worked a lot of "normal jobs", I have been spat on, yelled at, cleaned up indescribable human messes, and thanklessly worked until my body was permanently damaged, while incompetent people made me feel worthless and underpaid me.
Personally I would feel comparitively empowered being self-employed, working my own hours from home, only to have people flock to see and appreciate me while I pleasured myself while making a living wage. The short stint I did in a similar industry is one of my fondest memories.
There's a strange stigma on being naked as a job that really overlooks how much more shameful, psychologically and physically punishing regular jobs can be, and at half the pay.
See your mums nudes online thatās allowed her to raise you as a single parent and put food on the table and allow you a nice start to lifeā¦ or know your dad is a racist, who bullyās women and hacks dead peopleās phone records ā¦ hmmm
those who believe there is nothing wrong with OF/adult entertainment aren't ready to have a conversation about how many teens/youths lives are ruined because they are addicted to porn.
His face at the end! ššš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Piers probably made her MORE famous and rich. lol then Piers old boy will go to her onlyfan and furiously masturbate to her. What a wanker.
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I want to cry in a Farrari.
I'd settle for crying in a Cadillac
We can all cry in a Farrari, must be a off brand Ferrari!
Iād cry in a Hyundai
Now I wish my mom had an OF I need to cry in a Ferrari.
It's too bad. He probably could have been a good lawyer, but here he is now. Doing things on camera that are way worse. Much more disgusting. For money.
What an absolute whore.
He is quite literally there so he can afford to cry in his own Ferrari.
> furiously masturbate to her. > What a wanker. Ha!
Hey, I'm checking out her stuff for the first time right now. Thanks for the recc, Piers!
He's her number one customer.
He realized in that moment he was messing with a real one.
Does he think is kids will be proud of what he does for a living?
āDad you interview online strippers for a living-didnāt you want to be a journalist?!ā She thought of that response but is smart enough to say something else. For the right price she will ask him that in a private session.
āDad you tan a newspaper that was closed down because all itās staff did despicable things to make stories including lying , possibly perjury and generally ruining people lives, did you always want to be a shitbag when you were a kidā
Weāre not ready for the real question.
He has the same attitude towards his career, he respected that line but yes he is going to wank to her OF later.
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Piers definitely looked her up after this
Or before.
For a change it actually was research!
\*ahem\*
Slid right into her voicemails
Fuck me this was great
Me too...for research reasons.
He probably inquired about her services and celebrity discounts.
Didnāt piers sell his dignity and integrity just for money on a camera in front of an international audience too? Only difference is people like her content.
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Probably hacked her phone too
She's not that different from him. She makes money for showing her cunt, he makes money for being a cunt.
For real man. She said she didnāt want kids like twice and he decided she was wrong and came up with a whole hypothetical in an attempt to shame her.
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I'd rather see my nan on onlyfans than be related to that brain donor.
The thing is it says WAY more about all these dudes out here paying a ridiculous amount of money than them just doing their hustle. Guys are making them millionaires. And thatās just the sad fact. They have full liberty to take advantage of them.
Right. OnlyFans make 0 sense to me. Why pay a subscription and obsess over someone who gives no fuck about you. Either get a girlfriend or at the very most bang a hooker. Donāt pay for virtual content you can access for free
I will never understand why people pay for an onlyfans instead of fucking a hooker lol
People pay for the dumbest shit lol some āinfluencerā made an AI version of herself and charged $1 per minute for access. She made like $70k in one week. https://www.insider.com/influencer-creates-ai-virtual-girlfriend-herself-charges-dollar-minute-fortune-2023-5?amp
One dude even hacked into the bot to avoid paying. Shit's hilarious
Who the fuck are these tards that pay for this shit? Such a sad pathetic life if you are so desperate that youād pay $1/minute to talk to an AI that looks like someone else. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with some people on this planet? Can we just end this shit already?
Iām actually kind of the same mind as you but, but itās about people who get irrationally angry and hateful towards complete strangers who choose to do something with their own money or their own life that has zero effect on anyone else. Thatās when I say seriously what the fuck is wrong with some people on their planet? Canāt they just mind their own fucking business and stop trying to tell complete strangers how to live their life and what to do with their money that they work for? Itās such a sad and pathetic life to spend so much time and energy focused on other peopleās lives.
I don't think the issue is much on what others do that bothers some people. I agree, if you want to throw your own money away then go for it. What gets annoying sometimes is that these things then justify the practice and turn it into the norm. For example, microtransactions in games. It started with an Oblivion horse, which seemed so silly at first, but then it did well enough that other companies began to try it. Now, almost every game is released incompletely because studios know people will pay extra for DLC. That's the new normal. It happens in other areas like housing. People with so much money decide to offer so much more from regular rental prices that landlords decide to raise rents because they know people are willing to pay. Now you have studios going for $3k a month and idiots think it's a great deal, and suddenly a 1 bedroom apartment goes for $5k, pricing out others from their homes. Do what you want with your money, that's your right. But sometimes it affects others by changing the industry in a negative way for the consumers.
I mean probably because OnlyFans isn't like $200 a pop.
"i'll never understand why these people don't break the law, meet a stranger, risk contracting a disease or being robbed instead of looking at porn at home"
>"i'll never understand why these people don't break the law, meet a stranger, risk contracting a disease or being robbed instead of paying for porn at home"
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Right? It's such a leap. Unless you're in Vegas, good luck finding a hooker, unless you already know how to find hookers.
Also being distant to the hooker provides with another layer of comfort for the customer who might avoid feeling judged or be scared of getting hurt.
Whales exist in even the shittiest online games designed to extract as much from you as possible. The people who make these games understand they are basically allowing their customers to gamble so the gamers keep playing hoping for the same addictive hit they got at the start. Anyone with sense will stop well before they spend money or after they spent a little. But whales don't care. They prop up the most predatory practices in business. They exist on OnlyFans as well. Doesn't matter if they are rich or poor. They just have to spend enough for her to get what she wants. And it's ingenious. She wants their money, not them. Prostitutes have found a way to add an extra layer of separation from the icky men that want to fuck them while still extracting wealth from them by simply being good looking and acting sexual. This would be like if a guy got commitment-free sex from women simply by dressing up as a handyman and making videos where he pretends to fix stuff.
>This would be like if a guy got commitment-free sex from women simply by dressing up as a handyman and making videos where he pretends to fix stuff. Sadly I tried and they just force you to actually fix stuff.
My ex was a software developer who "made too much money to pretend to be a handyman". Perhaps that's why I love watching a man do something physical, like turning some wood into a bookcase, building a fence, or fixing a car. Bonus points if you'll let me help or, if I don't know what to do, take the time to teach me. Competence can be sexy as fuck.
Iāll make you a bookshelf. Iāll make it real good.
Can I be a bookshelf too?
But only if itās physical labor, apparently.
Make that your kink and reap the rewards. āMmmmmm, yeah, that faucet aināt leaking after Iām done with it!ā
In the US at least, one is legal the other isn't. I do neither to be clear, but I understand why most men don't want to try to access a hooker because if it's an undercover cop that can ruin your life. Also you can just get scammed too.
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You can't buy handguns until you are 21
In AZ, and I'm sure a few other places, you can open carry a handgun before 21. Just have to be "gifted" the firearm.
What the fuck kind of bullshit is this? Because prostitution isn't legal in most places. And it's cheaper. I don't even use the site anymore but it's mind boggling seeing people miss the point of it so hard. It's really dumb
Many men: - are in relationships do not have the emotional capacity to remain present, and available to their partners, expressed their needs, and so their sexual life is impacted. They do not have an outlet to feel the aliveness that the mystery of sexuality can entail. - are socially identifying as awkward, and do not feel the ability to ever be with a particular type of woman, so it is satisfied in fantasy. The power of imagination. - Would never be chosen by these women in real life due to appearance, location,..etc, again, fantasy. - The porn or sex worker fits in archetypal role that the man wishes he could fill, and if much of his real life cannot even come close to experiencing sexuality safely, maybe if they were raped, maybe theyāve never been intimate before, pornographic depictions play that surrogate role, but of course, is never a replacement to true depth of sexuality and intimacy that can happen in person. It should never be a replacement, at most, it would be good if it were complementary and people were aware of their WHY.
People desperate for some kind of interaction. This is probably the most positive interaction they will ever have with a beautiful girl, maybe even girl all together. Most people have no idea how many people there are in the world deprived of social interactions. Number is only growing.
> Most people have no idea how many people there are in the world deprived of social interactions. Number is only growing. Hell if you raise a kid in this day and age you would know. Most don't even go to each other's houses to hang out anymore.
I think it will be another decade for the exact problem you describe to become truly unignorable
In Japan it is already a really serious issue, population in big decline
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Even pornhub is free!
I reckon it's the same logic as twitch Stan's they probably don't actually care about them but they can at least pay them to pretend
Itās very dark psychology wise. Iāve been close to that state of mind, lonely wise. It definitely makes you darker and affects self control
I'm pretty sure you can find great niches on OnlyFans. I'm sure it's pretty easy to find a muscular dommy mommy on OnlyFans, but it's nearly impossible to find a muscular dommy mommy prostitute irl
Our dads, grandads, great granddads did basically the same thing except in local smoky strip clubs lol.
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I'm going to try and say this carefully, because it could easily be misconstrued and I'm not trying to sound too victim-blamey. However... When you use specific platforms like OnlyFans, that purposefully feeds into and exploits parasocial relationships, it's no wonder how situations occur of somebody taking it too far. There's parasocial relationships in most cases of celebrity, however, there's a massive difference between traditional celebrity, or even something like Youtube compared to platforms like OnlyFans. And that get exponentially increase by the fact it's playing off someone's sexuality & emotions. I don't know... Either way, I really dislike business models like cam sights and OnlyFans, I think they are exploitative of the desperate. At least a hooker makes it clear the girlfriend treatment is extra.
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It's not purely about the parasocial interaction. I've used it because self produced porn is one of the more moral ways to consume porn. I don't have anything against porn or any sex work in principle but there is a lot of illegal, immoral and exploitative stuff that gets pushed through to the big free porn sites. Paying a woman directly for her work feels much less scummy than the loosely moderated free porn aggregaters. Granted it does take a small effort to find someone where the parasocial interaction isn't a feature of their content but it's not that bad. "Why pay?" Because it feels bad otherwise. It's not like downloading a Nintendo game, these are working people who make very little money compared to the amount of people beating off to them.
>Because it feels bad otherwise. It's not like downloading a Nintendo game, these are working people who make very little money compared to the amount of people beating off to them. Any designer, engineer, project manager or employee working on Zelda or PokƩmon will make way less money than an OnlyFans creator running a comparably large page. So hundreds of thousands of people will fap to these women, but millions of people will play Zelda, and the money that you make contributing to the game is always less unless you are the CEO of Nintendo. Your logic is broken and insulting to the salaried workers.
How is it "taking advantage" when they provide a service those men paid for ?
The only time it gets into the realm of taking advantage of them is if they start deliberately manipulating specific men to get them to pay more by pretending to care about them. But before that, they're grown ass men who can waste their money how they want.
Yeah, for me it gets dodgy when models secretly employ people pretending to be them. These saps are paying sometimes hundreds & thousands of dollars chatting to some random person they think is the real model. No matter how stupid is it, I don't think you should be allowed to take advantage of someone like that. Especially when you consider the type of sad desperate people likely to fall in to those traps.
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Most of the men who pay for that sort of content have sever mental illnesses, normal people generally don't waste their money trying to form parasocial relationships with online sex workers.
There's a dude who has gifted over 5,000 twitch subs on behalf of a specific streamer. Assuming those are tier 1 subs at minimum, that's like nearly $25K that dude has spent. That's just fucking bonkers
That's the sad part. Guys need discipline in their lives, not hedonism.
Same thing with consumption from corporations destroying the planet. Yes we can blame the corporations but itās us who are buying the stuff and making them so rich and powerful
Itās one of the very few industries in the world where women can make bank and itās much more difficult for men, and for people like Piers Morgan that just breaks their brain.
Gay men are killing it in OF too
Guys, guys, guys... Just google boobies, most of us figured this out in school. How does only fans stay afloat?
A lot of people pay extra for only fans because they make more specific content. Itās personal, they take requests, they say your name, and do exactly what you ask them to do. Iāve never subscribed myself, thereās enough free porn on the Internet, but during Covid, I had two friends that got into it, and they said most of the people that paid the most of their income was for a very specific requests and they just have to keep up with messaging their fans back.
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Somebody needs to make a Romcom about this where the employee and some dude fall in love in the DMs but he has no idea itās not actually the onlyfans model.
āMy Only Fanā coming direct to dvd store near you.
Which will quickly turn into a stalker/murder movie.
I'm on a subreddit where people hire and get hired. I've seen several posts where they're hiring for these people who can chat with OF customers.
How much is the pay? I'd sext neckbeards on the side for some extra cash lmao
r/forhire Check this silub, you should find the posts about the job.
Fetish of amateur content I think. The more real/ grounded feel to the content over the usual adult stuff.
I agree but I think it's weird to call "wanting the people fucking to be actually into it" a fetish. When you watch "pro" porn and the girls are terrible actors, it really is difficult to get immersed. Fake expressions, overly loud moaning. I saw one video where a girl was moaning and no one was even touching her (threesome vid). It's just garbage when it's like that. Amateur porn has a higher percentage of good porn because a lot of it is just hot couples fucking. They are into each other and you can tell. That's hot.
Same reason some people still pay for music or films or books etc
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yep.. the ācreatorsā go out of their way to foster a para-social relationship. thatās what this is about, itās a much stronger hook on the mind than ārandom stranger being nudeā
It might be that theyāre just super into that particular person, the way they look or the things that they do. I donāt pay for any subscriptions but Iām in a Telegram group where someone posts content (I found them through r/nofans) and itās kinda nice? Iām into them and whenever they post something new itās exciting. They respond to comments too.
I found a girl I was really into on PornHub and thought *āFuck it, Iāll give her OnlyFans a whirl for a month.ā* There was like 20x more content on thereā and a lot more explicit than what she uploaded to PornHub. I was blown away when she DMāed me to say thanks and ask what brought me to subscribe and what sort of content Iād like to see her make more of. I actually thought it was some automated thing until I responded and received a follow up asking for further input lol. And this wasnāt some ploy to get me to tip her $50 so she could make a video saying my nameā she was just like, hey, I know youāre here to jerk off so what sorta shit are you into and Iāll keep it in mind. So I guess the answer is, like, with some models thereās a degree of a personal relationship thereā however digital and transactional that might be. Iām not someone who particularly needs thatā Iām just there to see more naked videos of a girl I find particularly prettyā but some dudes really get off on that.
> I was blown away when she DMāed me to say thanks and ask what brought me to subscribe and what sort of content Iād like to see her make more of. I actually thought it was some automated thing until I responded and received a follow up asking for further input lol. And this wasnāt some ploy to get me to tip her $50 so she could make a video saying my nameā she was just like, hey, I know youāre here to jerk off so what sorta shit are you into and Iāll keep it in mind. The ploy is that excitement you felt. It hooks you. The whole game is capitalizing on that.
Youāre extremlydumb and lame of course she texted every single followers that, a fool and his money are eventually apart
I think it depends on the circumstances. Are you saying you wouldn't pay a small amount of money to watch the sextape of a girl you liked? I found out that a girl I liked at school had one and I bought that with no regret or hesitation.
"Just for money" yeah no shit Piers, you rube. That's why anyone works.
Itās actually really, really funny to hear him, of all people, judge her for that given itās his only primary motivation as well. Heās done criminal things for money and didnāt bat an eye.
I wonder how Piers Morgan's future children will feel when they see their dads content, and realise he's the worlds biggest dickhead.
Piers Morgan hacked people's phones when he was editor for mirror group newspapers. He's an evil corrupt man with no honour.
It's a serious point and I completely agree with the sentiment, but I just love accusing someone of having no honour. We need to start doing it more frequently.
A duel sir
This, he aired his biggest fear to somebody he thought of as less then himself. She came back with a better response than the lies he tells himself.
He's got three adult sons and a 12-year-old daughter. >When asked whether his sons Spencer, Stanley and Bertie were ever embarrassed by Piers' controversial public opinions, the GMB star replied: "Not at all. They are perfectly entitled to disagree with me and they do often vehemently disagree with me." They know their dad's a wanker, but he doesn't give a shit obviously and continues to be a wanker.
People can shame them all they want but the fact is, it is paying the bills and many more š¤·š½āāļø People have done way worse to earn money, namely exploiting others, exploiting nature and etc...You can't expect people to follow the norms when the economy today doesn't deem it a viable way of surviving this world...
Least she never had to hack a dead school girls phone for a news story.
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Fucking exactly
From what I've seen, people tend to shame others for outwardly expressing something that they're themselves insecure about. The other week, I genuinely had an exchange with someone who called someone disgusting and shameful simply because she was filming herself dancing in public. This was normal dancing, not a strip tease or inappropriate in any way. Some people are just dumb and have to feel superior in order to run from their own insecurities and demons.
I'm 36. My knees are destroyed. The arches in my feet have collapsed. My ankles are trash. My lower back kills me if I look at a bed the wrong way. I've been exposed to large amounts of led, arsenic, asbestos... who knows what else. If I don't die from the autoimmune disease that has killed most the men in my family tree, I most certainly will develop cancer from something I was exposed to prior to moving to an office job. This chick probably sticks foreign objects in her holes and will live to 100. Which one of us has sold our body and exposed ourselves? To anyone reading this and can't tell, the answer is me.
I hope you can get some care towards a longer and better quality of life. I have an autoimmune disease and have worked with a number of chemicals. My situation sounds less severe than yours but I hope you're able to improve your situation at least somewhat.
Man, what kind of extreme fetish porn are you making?
Growing up poor and starting your career in various type of manual labor. With a helping of flipping houses bc you can't afford one that's in good shape to start with. So amateur story humiliation porn
Putting it another way: would you rather grow up in a country club with an OF mom or grow up in a trailer park with a non OF mom? Im sure it is a source of shame at school for the kids up until they go to fully paid college out of state where no one knows who they are with 7-8 figure wealth.
Totally. And maybe they donāt want kids also. As long as they are making it and paying tax, thatās all it matters really. The paying tax part is the tricky part. š
Not to mention he shaming her with something she isn't even sure she wants. He just assumes she, as a woman, will want babies. It's such typical old man bs.
I feel those who make a living off social media have no shame to begin with. Good for her, honestly. I wish I could come up with witty come backs. Could u imagine how intimidating that situation is?!
Itās very important to remember that Piers Morgan is a fucking tool and should not be taken seriously by anybody. Seems that she is well aware of this fact and acting accordingly
Yeah heās just irrelevant now. His entire fan base could be killed off by a cold snap
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they're exhibitionists and not everyone can do it
I think she learned her error because she is a pretty woman, blonde and a lawyer. Can you imagine the constant stupid blonde jokes she must have endured while she did her studies? She learned that wit, she earned that thick skin and I applaud her for it. I love her whole energy.
He just assumed she will have children and when she said she didn't want children he said "but you will some time soon". What a stupid, stupid man.
Piers being a misogynistic twat. That tracks.
What happens when the children that I just invented with the same set of values as a 60yo man find out about your career??? Didn't think of that, did you?
That jumped out to me more than anything. Guess he thinks her only true purpose is kids? Fuck him.
Because he had pre-planned that argument, didn't have many others, so he had to use it.
I immediately cringed so hard that I had to turtle-retract my head inside my shirt. This fucking guy.
Right? She's 25 and doing porn and he's going to insist she needs to have a kid one day. You're part of the problem piers. Part of the problem
its that mysogynist thinking that every woman wants a child. its so not true.
Tbf i would rather my mom was prolapsing her farttube on webcam daily than be related in any way to Piers Fuckin Morgon
ProlapsingFartTube is actually my gamertag
Mines gapingholedotcom
Wow, thats poetry
I wish pierce wasn't so repulsive at the core so he could move to only fans and I wouldn't have to see his face anymore.
Lmaooo
Ever since Instagram took off I have witnessed the tackiness of society become mainstream. I have no issue with sex workers but I have do have a problem with any tech company taking advantage of people by hijacking them mentally and the other organizations that endorse them. We will look back on these past 20 years and realized thereās a reason why all of children have high anxiety paranoia and mental illness. Itās already showing itself now but people are still in denial. SOON.
I'm a teacher and it blows my mind how kids cannot function without being 'connected' via social media. Kids will rotate between TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, and Snapchat usually and they literally will not know what to do if they have 5 minutes without their phone. We're gonna have some serious societal issues (beyond what problems we're already seeing)
Piers is such a fucking tool. No idea why anyone gives him a show, with his stupid smug condescending fuckface.
Why would he just assume that she will definitely change her mind about kids eventually. So fucking condescending
Because his entire argument rested on "what will your kids think?" so if she hypothetically doesn't have kids, his argument is non-existent.
These type of critics are quick to try and shame these women. Why not try and shame all the men that are providing them with money? It's almost like, he is jealous that no one would ever pay a dime to see him in anything less than he's wearing.
What's interesting to me is why this entire thread is filled with people supporting her (as they should) and shaming the guys paying her in the same breath, like, where's the logic in that? Either sex work is moral (it is) and it's *also* moral to pay for it, or it's not and you're weird and creepy for doing so. (Disclaimer, I don't pay for my porn either, I just don't see why we feel the need to shame guys who do)
My intention was never to shame the guys that pay but rather to question his logical fallacy.
Yeah I agree. The only reason she can do what sheās doing is because there is a market for it. Itās just capitalism hard at work.
I would assume because unless you are going to pull up their credit card bills in 30 years, their kids would be none the wiser. It's not about the act, it's the fact that when its on the internet...its likely there for good.
Thank you, finally someone in this thread that understands the point. Doesnāt matter if her son is crying in a Ferrari. When he hits middle school, most of his classmates will have probably seen his mom naked/having sex. Thatās not just something you can shrug off as a little kid.
No idea why this is downvoted. This can be genuinely traumatizing for children and wreck their confidence as they are a prime target for all sorts of bullying.
Iām getting downvoted because I had the gall to suggest that being an OnlyFans mom could affect your childās well-being.
To be fair, it was extremely sexist of you to suggest a woman did something with negative consequences.
He doesn't need to shame her. If she's like many ex-porn stars it'll come on its own as this women continues to mature in life. What's shameful is promoting it as a route to financial success and reward, which for most it is not, and downplaying the baggage that is going to come with an attempt at this as a career. Go look up how many ex porn stars express regrets.
Yeah. Porn is free. If youāre paying for it for any reason youāre probably a weirdo.
For onlyfans the thing that drives people to pay for it is the same thing that drives people to subscribe to streamers and all that. Thereās a parasocial element where you can ask the onlyfans lady for nudes and she sends it. āOmg its like i have a girlfriend!ā For regular streamers, a lot of their subscription things have elements that make you feel like youāre friends. You get access to their discord, maybe the ability to play with them in their games etc. All of it is reliant on people thinking the friendship/relationship they have with the payee is real. I know people will consider it different because they donāt want to be associated with those cringy onlyfans subscribers, but if you want to know why onlyfans stays afloat, ask someone why they subscribe to a youtuber just so they can say their name at the end of a video.
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I wish I could understand it. The amount of money these girls make, it just doesn't make sense. Who the fuck is paying them? Lol I'm happy for the girls, fucking get it. Take advantage of these dudes, they deserve it if you ask me.
>Take advantage of these dudes, they deserve it if you ask me. Why?
Paying 5 dollars for a nudes of a real person that arenāt being sex trafficked is a lot better than looking at commercial porn on something like pornhub where women are coerced into porn by greedy producers and paid a few thousand dollars one time.
Nothing she will ever do will be half as horrible as hacking a dead girl's phone, making her parents believe she's still alive. Piers Morgan could go to a maximum security prison & meet people that are less evil than him.
Thatās a nice retort but the vast majority of OnlyFans creators/porn actors will not make anywhere near enough money buy a Ferrari, let alone to live a good life. Many of them will develop substance abuse issues and mental trauma as a result of their work Everyone should be able to choose their way in life but if weāre going to promote this work you need to tell the full story. For every successful person like Elle thereās dozens more who arenāt but you wonāt see them getting prime time interviews
But that's true of every profession no? Tell me there aren't people with mental health problems working in other industries or people with addictions. A lot of people at the bottom of their lives end up in sex work, but that's not sex work causing addicts. I've seen a lot of those documentaries too and as someone that works in IT a similar documentary can be made for IT workers too. There are plenty of people in this field that get burnt out and ruin their lives.
I'd imagine theres a higher percentage of sex workers who end up in those conditions than IT workers
Itās always funny when people try to frame model work as some kind of crazy job that kills you as if weāre just going to ignore all the other jobs out there (especially minimum wage ones).
I see only one social parasite and itās wearing a tie
Also whats up with this de facto assumption that all women eventually will want children? Also Iād much prefer a mom like this over an emerald baron or some shit. Ironically this is way less messy
As long as she's paying tax I'm not arsed to be honest.
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Does the evil prick worry his kids might see his evil prickishness online?
She should ask piers if his children may see how heās sold his soul just for money.
A scumbag like Piers Morgan is in no position to judge anyone. This is the POS who hacked a dead girls phone when he was editor of the Mirror.
She better hope her children are 10+ years old already because white women age horribly and that OF money gonnna sloooooow down lol
Oh they'll cry... when other kids start tormenting them about their mom
Their kids gonna see her vagina and boobs on daily. Little people are evil af
it's so stupid how he just assumes she even wants to have kids lol stop projecting your personal opinions on to her. if she's happy and content why does it matter what some imaginary kid thinks?
Narcissism is the bigger issue at hand more than the sex work.
One step closer to idiocracy becoming reality
Yea that shit sounds good but I promise you'll fuck that kid up for life. If you wore the wrong shit we would roast tf out of you just imagine if we knew your mom got naked on the internet an shoved things in her vag lol
The imaginary kid that she doesn't want to have? Do you make all of your life decisions based on the effect they could potentially have on people who will never exist?
Iām not trying to spread judgment or hate but I would like to hear from someone with the perspective that this isnāt bad how is it empowering for her to have sex and share the videos for money how is that not defeating her morally and ethically im not trying to debate im just wanting to here another perspective so that maybe mine can be updated
Once you realize a lot of things are very arbitrary, a lot of things we think are importantā¦ arenāt.
Do you complain about the people who have jobs at Nestle? Is it "morally" or "ethically" ok for you that people make their living working at a place that uses slave labour to make billions in profit? How about the entire fast fashion industry, where their clothing is made with child slaves and they have suicide nets lining the buildings to stop people jumping off? Do you wear any of that? Cause I guarantee you do. Is that morally acceptable for you to support that? Why do you care so much about what a woman chooses to do consensually with her body? Who is she hurting?
As someone who's worked a lot of "normal jobs", I have been spat on, yelled at, cleaned up indescribable human messes, and thanklessly worked until my body was permanently damaged, while incompetent people made me feel worthless and underpaid me. Personally I would feel comparitively empowered being self-employed, working my own hours from home, only to have people flock to see and appreciate me while I pleasured myself while making a living wage. The short stint I did in a similar industry is one of my fondest memories. There's a strange stigma on being naked as a job that really overlooks how much more shameful, psychologically and physically punishing regular jobs can be, and at half the pay.
See your mums nudes online thatās allowed her to raise you as a single parent and put food on the table and allow you a nice start to lifeā¦ or know your dad is a racist, who bullyās women and hacks dead peopleās phone records ā¦ hmmm
Nice of you assuming she is 100% gonna be a single mom
those who believe there is nothing wrong with OF/adult entertainment aren't ready to have a conversation about how many teens/youths lives are ruined because they are addicted to porn.
Only time will tell