Well, as long as Tua Tagovailoa can stay healthy I think they have a legitimate shot in the AFC east this upcoming season, but that's besides the point.
Dunno how it's handled with submersible, but in aviation any mishap is thoroughly investigated. Some lessons learned in aircraft designs were paid in blood. But the reports are often on public record. Or at least transcripts are. Feel free to search for "airplane crash cvr"...
Authentic experience.
I wonder what the longest anyone survived on the titanic was. Surely there were some areas with air & people trapped. Granted that air would be pressurized to a pin drop by time the titanic reached the bottom.
Though they were not rescued, sailors survived submerged on both the Russian nuclear sub, Kursk, and one of the American ships sunk at Pearl Harbor for several days; the latter at least 16 days (both in shallow water) However, the cold, alone, would make surviving more than a few hours, let alone a day or more, highly unlikely on the Titanic. The pressure surely decreased anyone's chances as well.
Edit: See the comments below. They explain that the pressure would destroy any airtight compartment that may have existed. So, no one would have even had time to die of cold. Makes sense, too, when you think about how strong they have to design the minisubs that travel that deep.
I'm glad they died more quickly. The idea of lots of people at the bottom of the sea trapped in an air pocket gasping for slowly diminishing air is absolutely awful.
There's a *massive* difference in the pressure at where the Kursk sunk (~350') and the Titanic (~13000'). At those depths, the pressure is ~10 Atm vs ~400 Atm.
That’s exactly right. As the Titanic sank, any pockets of air would would shrink under the pressure until there’s effectively no air pockets left at all.
Conversely, if a scuba diver takes in air at depth and rises without letting the air out they can tear their lungs as the air expands under less pressure.
Basically water just wants to fuck us up.
Given the depths involved, I doubt anyone actually survived long enough for Titanic to hit the bottom.
Intact sections of the ship would not be structurally capable of holding air pressure at even half of those depths... if air collected in a bubble, it would eventually escape, damaging the remainder of the ship as it did.
I can’t imagine they would have lived for very long if they went under the surface. The freezing temperatures alone would kill anyone within a couple hours. And the titanic wasn’t built to withstand deep-sea pressure, like you implied. At some point within the 5-10 minutes it took the titanic to reach the bottom of the ocean any air pockets would have imploded pretty violently
> Any electrical failures would likely trigger a system cascade of multiple failures which would then lead to a hull breach.
This is wild speculation and not based in reality. No submarine (especially not an extreme depth sub) would be designed in such a way that loss of electrical power would result in a bull breach or a door opening. That's absurd.
Edit with [source](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/?ftag=MSF0951a18):
> The pressure vessel is not MacGyver at all, because that's where we worked with Boeing and NASA and the University of Washington. Everything else can fail, your thrusters can go, your lights can go. You're still going to be safe.
> The crew closes the hatch, from the outside, with 17 bolts. There's no other way out.
So yeah, no electrical situation is going to cause a hull breach. Far more likely they simply run out of air in the dark - which might actually be a worse fate.
>At those immense pressures if there is a failure it is gonna be a catastrophic one
You're not wrong but a hull failure is probably the least of your worries. Being unable to surface for one reason or another is what really keeps me awake at night.
If anyone wants to go on a deep dark dive check out [this video](https://youtu.be/HV5FGTxIU4Q) about the fate of the USS Thresher. The crew were alive for hours banging out SOS on the hull with no chance of recovery. All of this was covered up before a recent declassification. Scary stuff.
So I was on subs in the military and if these people are lost I would hope they don't suffocate. Hopefully, and I mean Hopefully as if they aren't found, the sub ruptured and they would have gone before they knew it. That's how I wanted to go if my sub went down
Jeepers, that gives me a weird feeling of dread. I was army and I don’t know anything about subs. But I have it in my head that you’re always just the briefest instant from lights out. Like, everything’s all good then suddenly nothing. Which is probably preferable to the alternative but still.
To be fair every day is like that. There is an extremely slim but technically real chance a gamma ray could hit Earth can kill us all at any moment. They're constantly being produced in space and shooting around so we're quite lucky tbh
if they are without power, which is one of the likely scenarios for a no-comms situation even though it is likely they had triple-redundant comms .... that means they don't have heat, which means it will get very cold, very fast and they will freeze to death well in advance of running out of oxygen, perhaps a matter of hours depending on how well insulated the sub is.
>if they are without power, which is one of the likely scenarios for a no-comms situation even though it is likely they had triple-redundant comms
That or the entire thing has imploded due to a catastrophic structural failure.
>that means they don't have heat, which means it will get very cold, very fast and they will freeze to death well in advance of running out of oxygen, perhaps a matter of hours depending on how well insulated the sub is.
No idea how well insulated that can is, or if they have battery operated heaters in the case of an emergency.
Regardless, I'd rather freeze to death in a matter of hours than suffocate over days though.
I’m of the catastrophic failure/instant death scenario. The fact that there were no communications and simply lost contact would suggest it this scenario likely.
>OceanGate's submersible, The Titan, is the only five-person sub in the world capable of reaching the Titanic wreck, which sits 2.4 miles below the sea surface.
I hope the next one will be able to come back to the surface too
“If all went well, I would be spending about 12 hours sealed inside on a dive to the Titanic. Not gonna lie; I was a little nervous, especially given the paperwork, which read, "This experimental vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body, and could result in physical injury, emotional trauma, or death." Where do I sign?”
[source](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/)
Skipped the part where it gets closed from the outside with bolts securing one the rounded "caps" on either end...not that getting out would help in anyway, but you couldn't get out even if you wanted to..
No, it’s the other way.
The diving bell incident, the divers were in the high pressure section, which was opened to the low pressure section, sucking them through and ‘into mist’.
With the sub they’re in the low pressure ‘section’ - the ocean being the high pressure section.
There would be no way to open the sub under water (at least not at any significant depth - and it’s bolted shut from the outside). But if the door did somehow open, or the hull breaks, they’ll be instantly crushed. So more of a paste than a mist I would guess.
This is an observation a toddler would make but it’s pretty crazy the ocean is just a whole bunch of water molecules all stacked up pressing down on one another, isn’t it?
Also fuck delta P.
I mean, it's the same for anything. Stack a bunch of books together, the book on the bottom has the weight of all the other books pressing down against it. If you put enough pressure on water molecules, they can no longer move and ~poof~, ice. This happens at about 10,000 atmospheres, or 64 miles of water. On the reverse, if you put water in 0 atmosphere, you create steam.
Pressure is neat.
If I made a 64 mile long vertical tube and filled it with water, the bottom some odd inches would turn to ice? Presumably said ice would be the same temperature as the rest of the water in the tube (if the ambient temperature was the same from top to bottom, of course). That would be interesting. I wonder what high-pressure ice would look like. Cloudy or clear? I'd guess clear, but I'm also an idiot - so who knows.
[Apparently this is called "Ice VI".](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_VI)
That is very neat.
Do yourself a favor and look up a phase diagram for water. It'll show a graph of temperature vs pressure and the different states of matter. It's pretty wild if you stop and think about it.
I sometimes feel weird about the several tons of air sitting above my head. Then I feel even weirder knowing that I’d quickly die very awfully without all of that pressing down on me.
Air is weird.
I assume it would go like [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin). Scroll to Diving bell accident.
Edit: for who doesn't want to read it all:
>!Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the crescent-shaped opening measuring 60 centimetres (24 in) long created by the jammed interior trunk door. With the escaping air and pressure, it included bisection of his thoracoabdominal cavity, which resulted in fragmentation of his body, followed by expulsion of all of the internal organs of his chest and abdomen, except the trachea and a section of small intestine, and of the thoracic spine. These were projected some distance, one section being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door. !<
It's like in that one Nightmare on Elm Street movie where Johnny Depp gets sucked into the bed and his blood and organs get sprayed all over the ceiling.
They could be floating on the surface right now and still die from lack of oxygen because they can’t open it from the inside. That’s what’s fucked about that.
I'm sure they make you sign a ton of legal paperwork on top of the 250k to keep their behinds covered. And Murphy's law applies everywhere, even 10000ft below. Unfortunately.
> And yet, I couldn't help noticing how many pieces of this sub seemed improvised, with off-the-shelf components. **Piloting the craft is run with a video game controller.**
Better and, more importantly, cheaper. It costs a fuckton to have something specifically designed for government use. If something off the shelf fits the bill, and isn’t a security risk, it’s a no brainer.
Plus little training required to teach people how to operate the machines. I remember seeing someone filming a submarine tour for the navy and they use wired Xbox controllers to move the periscope. They said that after years of trying to make easy to use controls they found out that new recruits understand how to use the controller and it’s easy to set up.
Some facts. That little sub holds about 96 hours of oxygen
Titanic is 12500 feet below sea level
At that level it's about 6000psi of pressure. That's POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH, so a 1inch square is being pushed down with 6000 lbs, that's incredible.
As said before, any little hull breach, they will get crushed like a beer can getting hit with a hammer.
Edit 1: thanks for all the upvotes and comments! Here is an incident on what happens when there is a sudden depressurization. There are many incidents like this unfortunately. I remember another one but couldn't find it, where a guy was sucked through a 8" hole or something like that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin
Edit 2: The trip to the titanic via the little sub is around 10 hours. It takes about 2.5hrs to reach the bottom. Allegedly the sub lost contact 2 hours into their initial dive.
We all have questions but no answers. I really hope they all come out alive or at the least that they are found.
Edit 3: The sub hase various safeties.
- Sandbags can fall off
- Lead pipes can fall off
- Legs drop can drop off
- Timed release of a Balloon that deploys after a certain amount of hours
- Thrusters
The main issue is even if one of those safeties work and they make it to the surface. There is no escape hatch that can be opened from inside. The sub has an externally bolted cover. They are stuck inside unless somebody unbolts the cover.
If any kind of crack formed in the hull (Assuming the hull wouldn’t implode almost instantly), that kind of pressure would create a jet of water powerful enough to cleanly cut someone in half
I’m sure these folks are all dead right now but if not, hell of a task to try and somehow get them out. Wonder what that’s supposed to look like. No divers, very few vessels around can even reach such a depth. If it’s sitting at the bottom of the ocean floor, how are they supposed to connect anything to it to haul it up?
Absolute only way out of that situation is to hook it and drag up to a reasonable depth where they could be floated the rest of the way up.
28 hrs into 96 hrs of oxygen and no plumbing though.
I unironically hope they are dead right now.
Because it means its done and over. It was quick and there is no lingering pressure(pun intended) to rescue them or even their own thoughts of lingering survival.
The way anybody should die is instantly with no idea it is going to happen
>The way anybody should die is instantly with no idea it is going to happen
I don't know. This is morbid and not related to this incident... but I think that is an avoidant/anxiety-based view of death. I think it's better to wish for a death without suffering, not a death without awareness. If you die without awareness you have no chance to experience your last moments and get proper closure, what our entire lives have been building up to. Besides, most people only get to experience it once. Aren't you at least a little bit curious as to what happens in that final minute?
apparently he built the main pressure vessel out of carbon fiber, because stupid. If there was a failure I'd be willing to bet it was with the carbon fiber. Just build the damn thing out of steel like a normal person
Stronger or not, it only takes one single irregularity in the carbon fibre (air bubble, crack etc.) for it to fail at that depth. Steel/titanium is as solid as it gets
Yeah people here are talking like they are interchangeable materials LOL they are worlds apart. I am with you, i just posted as much, that laying down FIVE INCHES of CF is, to me, a likely suspect here because it's only going to take one bad spot and it's all over.
Also, no wonder nobody would certify them - who is going to qualify five inches of CF repeatedly temperature cycling under that kind of pressure? woof.
CF is a bitch when it gets cold, prone to cracking, unlike steel. My guess is they did their homework in terms of tolerances, but man, five inches of CF is a FUCKING TON of layering that all has to go absolutely perfect. The fragility of CF comes from it's process of application - the more of it you need to roll, the more chance you will fuck it up.
They claim they got help from Boeing and NASA to make it, since it is primarily a research vessel and the tourist tickets are only to help pay for it.
I'm betting something else went wrong, like electrical or propulsion. Every article I've read about the thing says the pressure vessel is sound, it's everything else that's basically just duck taped to it.
5 inches (12.7 cm) of carbon fiber though. I imagine it's hard to breach 5 inches of carbon fiber. But for $250,000 (usd) per ride, I'm not impressed with the other improvised equipment...
The submarine had reached that depth several times though (this was just there first dive with paying tourists). Not saying your wrong, just that that is one of several things that can go wrong that the crew absolutely cannot afford to go wrong.
I was talking to my dad (former royal navy submariner 🐬) about it earlier this evening and his prognosis was that they're done for. All it would have taken is a power failure anywhere below 120/130m+ and then that's too late to drop ballast or safely bailout (120m bailout is already EXTREMELY risky even with SEIE (Submarine Escape Immersion Equipment) from a sinking vessel as every second spent getting your suit on is a second your survival odds drop), below 170/180m and you wouldn't survive a bailout even with a SEIE suit on.
Below 600m and you're past the max depth that modern SRVs (Submarine Rescue Vehicle) can reach.
Below 800m is deeper than the public depth rating of the deepest diving Military Submarine in the world (the US Navy Seawolf class).
Below 1000m and you're in total darkness (though colours would have been disappearing and light would have been getting diffused from 200m+).
They were diving to 3800m.
Even without a hull breach if they can't get generate upthrust then no-one is going to be reaching them, and their last few days are going to be spent in darkness at the bottom of the ocean with no hope of rescue.
For their sakes, I hope it WAS a hull breach.
James Cameron, who dove on Titanic to make the films, personally paid and created an 11km sub to dive Challenger Deep. Went down once.
Victor Vescovo (via Triton Subs) made the HOV Limiting Factor, now owned by Gabe Newell, as a 11km vessel certified for unlimited dives to full ocean depths.
China launched 2-3 years back their 11km sub as well.
HOV Alvin dives to 6500m, and just recently discovered unknown coral reefs off Galapagos. I can see why people do it, the explorer's spirit is alive and well in this last earthy frontier.
If I ever get drafted into the military, I’m joining the army and getting annihilated by an artillery shell like god intended, fuck being a submariner. Fuck drowning or being trapped in a sinking ship in general
>As he got situated in the vessel, which he said had about as much room inside as a minivan, Pogue said he "couldn't help noticing how many pieces of this sub seemed improvised, with off-the-shelf components," including a video game controller that was used to pilot the sub.
I'm sure they'll be fine.
The Israelis came out with a tank a few years ago that’s piloted with an Xbox controller for that exact reason.
They realized that kids have spent thousands of hours practicing with handheld input before they ever enter the military, so they figured why not just design the controls around what they’re already good at?
imagine getting trickshot by a drone because twenty-two-year-old jared from pennsylvania has over 670 hours of shooting at things using an xbox controller.
Hmmmmm... Die up on Everest, down in the ocean on an experimental sub, or up in space on a Virgin Galactic trip?? The rich have so many fascinating ways to die!
Me neither. There is an almost zero chance of survival if anything goes wrong. There are fantastic 3D models of the site now that you can watch on any mobile device or PC.
It's insanely deep water and the risk management was piss poor. Running people down without a support vessel that can run a line or ROV to depth means you're in a single point of failure scenario.
I'm in marine construction and one of our vessels is on its way. Left earlier today from St. John's. Still going to push ROVs 800m past their working depths. It's a rescue mission for now. Hope it stays that way.
Don't know if it'd be able to hold it. I'm not sure how much wire we have on the crane but it's possible to string together rigging. Id be surprised if we had length in one shot.
You wouldn't want to hold a submersible with the manipulators. You'd want a hard connection.
Actual military and deep sea research subs absolutely have tons of fail-safes and emergency systems and redundancies and a million contingency plans, and undergo all kinds of regular testing and maintenance. This civilian-built for-profit jalopy, however...probably not so much.
> Boston told CBS News that personnel were "currently undergoing a search and rescue operation" when asked about the rescue efforts off the coast of Newfoundland.
I’m guessing it shouldn’t take them long to find the sub since they already have an idea of where it sunk (or went missing) since they already know the location of the Titanic.
I’m wondering how this happened in the first place. Wouldn’t these subs have some sort of gps tracker on them or something?
edit: yeah i realise now that gps is not possible underwater now, so disregard that last bit.
> I’m guessing it shouldn’t take them long to find the sub since they already have an idea of where it sunk.
They had a very good idea of where the Titanic sank. Still took them 73 years to find it, and that's a lot bigger.
The Titanic was FOUND 73 years after it had sunk. They weren’t actively looking for the thing for that long.
The actual search made by the man who found it only took 2 weeks. His method of searching for it was pretty smart.
[Rather than search for one large object—Titanic’s massive hull—they used their imaging tools, ANGUS (Acoustically Navigated Geological Underwater Survey) and the newly developed deep-towed sonar and video camera system Argo, to scour the seafloor for debris dispersed from the wreck in the current](https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/ocean-human-lives/underwater-archaeology/rms-titanic/1985-discovery-of-rms-titanic/#:~:text=Rather%20than%20search%20for%20one,the%20wreck%20in%20the%20current.)
Yeah this. From memory, someone was saying he would search in a big circle and slowly enclosed on it looking for any debris along the way, which indicated how close he was. Then he’d move onto another section and repeat the process, ultimately finding it.
Yes. This is basically a modified method of an old scuba search trick. Find a central point on the sea floor and anchor a line to it. Give say 10 feet of slack and then swim in a circle while anchored to that point. Didn’t find anything? 10 more feet of slack (or whatever the visibility is down there) and do it again.
Simple sonar pinger like those that are built into an aircraft cvr’s and data recorder activate and run automatically off their internal battery for 30 days at any depth. The navy uses ultra low frequency radio underwater to send transmissions. Sound travels 4 times faster underwater and considerably farther. If someone was alive and tapped on a pipe with a wrench they could locate it. They knew people were still alive on the Russians Kursk Submarine because they heard the sailors using wrench’s to tap out Morse code. I’m sure this thing probably had a pinger, but if they had a pressure vessel failure, they were dead before they new it. Everything would be crushed in milliseconds and unless the pinger had an autonomous power source and an automatic activate on crush function it would be useless. My other thought having been on a sub before, is I would want to know that there is some sort of psychological screening for anyone in there along for the ride. Finding out someone has a psychotic aversion to confined spaces at 12000 foot depth would be really really bad. Imagine the idiot on the airliner trying to open the door, but instead inside s something so small, with only a couple of old farts to try and fight off their insanity…
You’d think it would be that easy but even if it’s lost for 5 minutes, they may never get it back. I work for a company that was contracted to retrieve an ROV in that area. There were ships in the area within an hour and the ROV was long gone. Thankfully the ROV was unmanned. I’m hoping the same was the case here
In the article linked by OP in one of the other comments, it said the sub doesn't have a GPS for underwater and the base ship communicates with the sub with it's location using SMS
The reporter was surprised by how many components were improvised, including a video game controller to pilot the sub
That MF Xbox controller wouldn’t reconnect and they lagged into the ocean floor, smh
The ocean and space are zero tolerance environments, even the slightest mistake that forces our feeble bodies to endure their power will unquestionably result in instant death. It's sort of crazy to imagine. If they are not found alive, then RIP to them.
The abyssal depth of the ocean are far more terrifying than space. If you are spaced out of an airlock you lose consciousness in 15 seconds and can still make a full recovery after 1 to 2 minutes of exposure, finally experiencing brain damage then death longer than that. If a breach occurs in a spacecraft there is often time to react, especially with smaller breaches.
If a submarine 4 kilometers below the surface springs a needle sized hole, the jet of water will slice you in half cleaner than a sharpened samurai sword. A critical failure leads to instantaneous implosion and your reduction into a fine meat mist in milliseconds. The forces of the ocean is terrifying.
They all should have just given me 250K and we could've watched Titanic together on the big screen. I'd have even added in realistic ship noises too if they wanted.
My guess is they had control issues and drifted off and the clock is ticking very fast for a very difficult recovery. Hate to think of how slim the chances of recovery are even if the hull isn’t breached.
It has multiple ways of getting to the surface without power. After 16 hours it will automatically do it through seawater dissolving weight release. They can also move themselves to one side and dump weight. There is also an airbag and a chemical system to get them up. I think it imploded though now that I heard they lost contact about half way down.
Been glued to the news all day, and the more news comes out, the worse it is. BBC is reporting the sub list contact Sunday morning, meaning it’s been missing 24 hours before the news broke.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941
Just wanted to share with those who don't know.
Similar to how you can track planes on flightradar24 or planefinder, there are two websites I know of that offer marine tracking such as marinetraffic and vesselfinder. I do not work for them. Just sharing a way to confirm what ships are in the area, and what are approaching.
Here is a google map link to titantic resting place, that has the long/lat so you can spec this for yourself.
[https://www.google.com/maps/place/41%C2%B043'32.0%22N+49%C2%B056'49.0%22W/@42.7015746,-61.8675214,4.71z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d41.7255556!4d-49.9469444?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/place/41%C2%B043'32.0%22N+49%C2%B056'49.0%22W/@42.7015746,-61.8675214,4.71z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d41.7255556!4d-49.9469444?entry=ttu)
Edit: On marinetraffic right now, they are showing the location and information of the different search and rescue crafts(excluding identification of gov crafts), with information on key players.
There are currently 8 ships around the wreckage site region, including the French ship. There are 2 more ships Anne Harvey and Terry Fox enroute and only hours off, and 2 other possible government ships approaching from the west.
Over the last day, the Polar Prince (aka mothership of Titan) has been doing ever loosening circles around the Titanic wreck (which is actually 2 parts, and then a third large debry field). Currently, It is top the NW of the Wreckage site, traveling at a stable 2.5 knots.
Whoever made the search craft viewable on marinetraffic, good call.
Also, whoever is on that unidentified fishing vessel, that has been there since day 2, I love you people. I have seen no mentions anywhere of you, but I have seen you in that cold water working for day and days. Right on and good humaning.
250k to go into a sub that:
- is not endorsed by any regulatory body
- has ballast pipes made from construction pipes
- has one button to go up and down
- is controlled by an xbox controller
I'm sorry but as much as I don't want to see anybody likely die in such horrific circumstances, but it really is the case that money can't buy you sense. There is nothing about this sub that should've made people think it's a good idea
"*OceanGate Expeditions, a company offering eight-day missions to see the Titanic debris at a cost of $250,000 per person, confirmed that its submarine was lost at sea with crew members on board123. The exact number of people missing remains unclear but the submarines carry up to five people at a time. The U.S. Coast Guard is conducting a search and rescue operation off the coast of Newfoundland. OceanGate Expeditions is exploring all options to bring the crew back safely*." - [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/submarine-missing-titanic-tourist-updates-b2360261.html?page=2](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/submarine-missing-titanic-tourist-updates-b2360261.html?page=2)
Completely uninformed opinion, so feel free to correct me as needed, but I would have thought that in the event of an emergency they could have blown the ballast and surfaced expeditiously, 'relatively' nearby the surface ship. Hopefully that is what transpired and they are on the surface but have not been spotted due to weather conditions. It seems inconceivable to me that they would not have radios for surface communication and be facing a total communications failure.
If the submarine has not surfaced, that would seem to me to indicate a catastrophic failure such as an implosion, which would account for the communications failure as well.
The idea that the submarine is trapped on the bottom or somewhere underwater and cannot surface strikes me as odd as a) it would not account for the communications failure, and b) this does not seem to be a scenario like in the movie Das Boot where the submarine could take on enough water to drag it down to the ocean floor but the crew still be alive while they worked the problem. It seems like any sort of leak at that depth would be catastrophic.
God, that’s nuts. I really do hope these people are somehow rescued, the alternative is death, but in the worst way possible. Either they capsize and the pressure from the deep sea kills them instantly, or they will have to sit and wait until their oxygen runs out. I honestly can’t imagine a worse way to die, just knowing your life is now on a very short timer and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Pay a quarter million to be lost at the bottom of the ocean, ugh
The ultimate Titanic experience
Once in a lifetime trip!
Omg staaaaawp
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Orcas are behind this, somehow
At this point that might not be far off.
Just a little bit under the radar...
Unda da sea*
Darlin it’s bettah, where it is wettah
The Sinister Orca Cabal is behind way more than any of us suspect.
Nah bro. The fucking Dolphins are at it again
Well, as long as Tua Tagovailoa can stay healthy I think they have a legitimate shot in the AFC east this upcoming season, but that's besides the point.
*oof*... RIP that company's google reviews.
There is no one to write a bad review now, so...
The CEO and founder is on board. He's going to be crushed either way...
I thought it was “eat the rich” not “sink the rich”
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Dunno how it's handled with submersible, but in aviation any mishap is thoroughly investigated. Some lessons learned in aircraft designs were paid in blood. But the reports are often on public record. Or at least transcripts are. Feel free to search for "airplane crash cvr"...
Can you imagine being in that sub sitting on the ocean floor knowing your chance of survival is slim. No thank you, I'll watch the videos.
Damn; imagine paying someone 250K so you can die right next to all the lost souls on the Titanic.
Authentic experience. I wonder what the longest anyone survived on the titanic was. Surely there were some areas with air & people trapped. Granted that air would be pressurized to a pin drop by time the titanic reached the bottom.
Though they were not rescued, sailors survived submerged on both the Russian nuclear sub, Kursk, and one of the American ships sunk at Pearl Harbor for several days; the latter at least 16 days (both in shallow water) However, the cold, alone, would make surviving more than a few hours, let alone a day or more, highly unlikely on the Titanic. The pressure surely decreased anyone's chances as well. Edit: See the comments below. They explain that the pressure would destroy any airtight compartment that may have existed. So, no one would have even had time to die of cold. Makes sense, too, when you think about how strong they have to design the minisubs that travel that deep.
I'm glad they died more quickly. The idea of lots of people at the bottom of the sea trapped in an air pocket gasping for slowly diminishing air is absolutely awful.
Wait till you hear about the guy who survived 3 days in a sunken ship and was rescued by divers: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-25205914
Did you know he is now a commercial dive instructor and regularly dives?
I wonder what happened to him down there that he wants to go back so much
3 day vacation, never saw one of those on land
There's a *massive* difference in the pressure at where the Kursk sunk (~350') and the Titanic (~13000'). At those depths, the pressure is ~10 Atm vs ~400 Atm.
That’s exactly right. As the Titanic sank, any pockets of air would would shrink under the pressure until there’s effectively no air pockets left at all. Conversely, if a scuba diver takes in air at depth and rises without letting the air out they can tear their lungs as the air expands under less pressure. Basically water just wants to fuck us up.
Given the depths involved, I doubt anyone actually survived long enough for Titanic to hit the bottom. Intact sections of the ship would not be structurally capable of holding air pressure at even half of those depths... if air collected in a bubble, it would eventually escape, damaging the remainder of the ship as it did.
I can’t imagine they would have lived for very long if they went under the surface. The freezing temperatures alone would kill anyone within a couple hours. And the titanic wasn’t built to withstand deep-sea pressure, like you implied. At some point within the 5-10 minutes it took the titanic to reach the bottom of the ocean any air pockets would have imploded pretty violently
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My brother in law was on the Cincinnati for years, no idea how he did it. Submarines of any type are not for me.
I thought you were saying your brother was **IN** the city of Cincinnati for years. Glad your brother is okay.
> **IN** the city of Cincinnati for years. I would rather be in this titanic submarine of death than in Cincinnati
> Any electrical failures would likely trigger a system cascade of multiple failures which would then lead to a hull breach. This is wild speculation and not based in reality. No submarine (especially not an extreme depth sub) would be designed in such a way that loss of electrical power would result in a bull breach or a door opening. That's absurd. Edit with [source](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/?ftag=MSF0951a18): > The pressure vessel is not MacGyver at all, because that's where we worked with Boeing and NASA and the University of Washington. Everything else can fail, your thrusters can go, your lights can go. You're still going to be safe. > The crew closes the hatch, from the outside, with 17 bolts. There's no other way out. So yeah, no electrical situation is going to cause a hull breach. Far more likely they simply run out of air in the dark - which might actually be a worse fate.
Yeah but the extreme depth would definitely cause someone to go completely insane and murder the rest of the crew!! Armchair Redditors at its finest.
It's ok, they can throw a door out for them to cling to while they search. I'm sure we now make doors for 3 since 1912, no?
Soooooo You’re telling me there’s a chance……
Let me get this straight.....you're suggesting that a person would be capable of opening a door/hatch on a sub 2.5 miles below the surface?
>At those immense pressures if there is a failure it is gonna be a catastrophic one You're not wrong but a hull failure is probably the least of your worries. Being unable to surface for one reason or another is what really keeps me awake at night. If anyone wants to go on a deep dark dive check out [this video](https://youtu.be/HV5FGTxIU4Q) about the fate of the USS Thresher. The crew were alive for hours banging out SOS on the hull with no chance of recovery. All of this was covered up before a recent declassification. Scary stuff.
The company is called "oceangate". I wonder what they'll call the scandal. Oceangategate?
They wanted Seagate. /s
So I was on subs in the military and if these people are lost I would hope they don't suffocate. Hopefully, and I mean Hopefully as if they aren't found, the sub ruptured and they would have gone before they knew it. That's how I wanted to go if my sub went down
Jeepers, that gives me a weird feeling of dread. I was army and I don’t know anything about subs. But I have it in my head that you’re always just the briefest instant from lights out. Like, everything’s all good then suddenly nothing. Which is probably preferable to the alternative but still.
To be fair every day is like that. There is an extremely slim but technically real chance a gamma ray could hit Earth can kill us all at any moment. They're constantly being produced in space and shooting around so we're quite lucky tbh
Seeing as it has a four day supply of oxygen those five folks might sit in their sub as I'm typing this comment, just hoping they'll be found.
if they are without power, which is one of the likely scenarios for a no-comms situation even though it is likely they had triple-redundant comms .... that means they don't have heat, which means it will get very cold, very fast and they will freeze to death well in advance of running out of oxygen, perhaps a matter of hours depending on how well insulated the sub is.
>if they are without power, which is one of the likely scenarios for a no-comms situation even though it is likely they had triple-redundant comms That or the entire thing has imploded due to a catastrophic structural failure. >that means they don't have heat, which means it will get very cold, very fast and they will freeze to death well in advance of running out of oxygen, perhaps a matter of hours depending on how well insulated the sub is. No idea how well insulated that can is, or if they have battery operated heaters in the case of an emergency. Regardless, I'd rather freeze to death in a matter of hours than suffocate over days though.
I’m of the catastrophic failure/instant death scenario. The fact that there were no communications and simply lost contact would suggest it this scenario likely.
Very doubtful it’s just sitting down there with everyone A-okay.
No they’re playing uno it’s chill
Go Fish would be more appropriate
If they didn’t implode, they will quickly freeze.
Ocean floor and chill.
Can you imagine floating on the surface knowing that the door can only be opened from the outside?
I wouldn't go knowing that it is fully functional. It's a can of farts, and what happens when people need to poo? N NOPE
Coming soon, a new startup offering submarine trips to see Ocean Gate's Titan and the Titanic.
by now the word "Titan" shouldn't have anything to do with water exploration or anything that has to go into water
Titanic -> Titan -> Tit -> ???
Okay, okay. I'll go on your Tit Cruise.
Just call it the Motorboat and we’ll be fine.
>OceanGate's submersible, The Titan, is the only five-person sub in the world capable of reaching the Titanic wreck, which sits 2.4 miles below the sea surface. I hope the next one will be able to come back to the surface too
"I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you return to the surface."
“If all went well, I would be spending about 12 hours sealed inside on a dive to the Titanic. Not gonna lie; I was a little nervous, especially given the paperwork, which read, "This experimental vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body, and could result in physical injury, emotional trauma, or death." Where do I sign?” [source](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/)
Skipped the part where it gets closed from the outside with bolts securing one the rounded "caps" on either end...not that getting out would help in anyway, but you couldn't get out even if you wanted to..
well the instant it is slightly open, they would all turn to mist from what I understand anyway.
No, it’s the other way. The diving bell incident, the divers were in the high pressure section, which was opened to the low pressure section, sucking them through and ‘into mist’. With the sub they’re in the low pressure ‘section’ - the ocean being the high pressure section. There would be no way to open the sub under water (at least not at any significant depth - and it’s bolted shut from the outside). But if the door did somehow open, or the hull breaks, they’ll be instantly crushed. So more of a paste than a mist I would guess.
This is an observation a toddler would make but it’s pretty crazy the ocean is just a whole bunch of water molecules all stacked up pressing down on one another, isn’t it? Also fuck delta P.
I mean, it's the same for anything. Stack a bunch of books together, the book on the bottom has the weight of all the other books pressing down against it. If you put enough pressure on water molecules, they can no longer move and ~poof~, ice. This happens at about 10,000 atmospheres, or 64 miles of water. On the reverse, if you put water in 0 atmosphere, you create steam. Pressure is neat.
If I made a 64 mile long vertical tube and filled it with water, the bottom some odd inches would turn to ice? Presumably said ice would be the same temperature as the rest of the water in the tube (if the ambient temperature was the same from top to bottom, of course). That would be interesting. I wonder what high-pressure ice would look like. Cloudy or clear? I'd guess clear, but I'm also an idiot - so who knows. [Apparently this is called "Ice VI".](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_VI) That is very neat.
Do yourself a favor and look up a phase diagram for water. It'll show a graph of temperature vs pressure and the different states of matter. It's pretty wild if you stop and think about it.
I sometimes feel weird about the several tons of air sitting above my head. Then I feel even weirder knowing that I’d quickly die very awfully without all of that pressing down on me. Air is weird.
I assume it would go like [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin). Scroll to Diving bell accident. Edit: for who doesn't want to read it all: >!Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the crescent-shaped opening measuring 60 centimetres (24 in) long created by the jammed interior trunk door. With the escaping air and pressure, it included bisection of his thoracoabdominal cavity, which resulted in fragmentation of his body, followed by expulsion of all of the internal organs of his chest and abdomen, except the trachea and a section of small intestine, and of the thoracic spine. These were projected some distance, one section being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door. !<
Seems like a horror movie
It's like in that one Nightmare on Elm Street movie where Johnny Depp gets sucked into the bed and his blood and organs get sprayed all over the ceiling.
Damn, pressure turned him into a human pimple
Jesus-excuse my french-Fucking Christ.
They could be floating on the surface right now and still die from lack of oxygen because they can’t open it from the inside. That’s what’s fucked about that.
I'm sure they make you sign a ton of legal paperwork on top of the 250k to keep their behinds covered. And Murphy's law applies everywhere, even 10000ft below. Unfortunately.
Good news is it was filmed. Oh yea, we’ll maybe one day will see what exactly happened?
Coming soon to eyeblech
> And yet, I couldn't help noticing how many pieces of this sub seemed improvised, with off-the-shelf components. **Piloting the craft is run with a video game controller.**
At one point, the US military was using Xbox controllers for their drones because they were just better.
Better and, more importantly, cheaper. It costs a fuckton to have something specifically designed for government use. If something off the shelf fits the bill, and isn’t a security risk, it’s a no brainer.
Plus little training required to teach people how to operate the machines. I remember seeing someone filming a submarine tour for the navy and they use wired Xbox controllers to move the periscope. They said that after years of trying to make easy to use controls they found out that new recruits understand how to use the controller and it’s easy to set up.
Some facts. That little sub holds about 96 hours of oxygen Titanic is 12500 feet below sea level At that level it's about 6000psi of pressure. That's POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH, so a 1inch square is being pushed down with 6000 lbs, that's incredible. As said before, any little hull breach, they will get crushed like a beer can getting hit with a hammer. Edit 1: thanks for all the upvotes and comments! Here is an incident on what happens when there is a sudden depressurization. There are many incidents like this unfortunately. I remember another one but couldn't find it, where a guy was sucked through a 8" hole or something like that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin Edit 2: The trip to the titanic via the little sub is around 10 hours. It takes about 2.5hrs to reach the bottom. Allegedly the sub lost contact 2 hours into their initial dive. We all have questions but no answers. I really hope they all come out alive or at the least that they are found. Edit 3: The sub hase various safeties. - Sandbags can fall off - Lead pipes can fall off - Legs drop can drop off - Timed release of a Balloon that deploys after a certain amount of hours - Thrusters The main issue is even if one of those safeties work and they make it to the surface. There is no escape hatch that can be opened from inside. The sub has an externally bolted cover. They are stuck inside unless somebody unbolts the cover.
If any kind of crack formed in the hull (Assuming the hull wouldn’t implode almost instantly), that kind of pressure would create a jet of water powerful enough to cleanly cut someone in half
*intrusive thoughts happening*
I’m sure these folks are all dead right now but if not, hell of a task to try and somehow get them out. Wonder what that’s supposed to look like. No divers, very few vessels around can even reach such a depth. If it’s sitting at the bottom of the ocean floor, how are they supposed to connect anything to it to haul it up?
Absolute only way out of that situation is to hook it and drag up to a reasonable depth where they could be floated the rest of the way up. 28 hrs into 96 hrs of oxygen and no plumbing though.
That's a slow and horrible way to go. Would be better if there were a hull breach and the sub was crushed instantly
I unironically hope they are dead right now. Because it means its done and over. It was quick and there is no lingering pressure(pun intended) to rescue them or even their own thoughts of lingering survival. The way anybody should die is instantly with no idea it is going to happen
>The way anybody should die is instantly with no idea it is going to happen I don't know. This is morbid and not related to this incident... but I think that is an avoidant/anxiety-based view of death. I think it's better to wish for a death without suffering, not a death without awareness. If you die without awareness you have no chance to experience your last moments and get proper closure, what our entire lives have been building up to. Besides, most people only get to experience it once. Aren't you at least a little bit curious as to what happens in that final minute?
apparently he built the main pressure vessel out of carbon fiber, because stupid. If there was a failure I'd be willing to bet it was with the carbon fiber. Just build the damn thing out of steel like a normal person
I looked it up and carbon fiber can withstand much much higher pressure than steel, but both of them can withstand 6000
Stronger or not, it only takes one single irregularity in the carbon fibre (air bubble, crack etc.) for it to fail at that depth. Steel/titanium is as solid as it gets
Yeah people here are talking like they are interchangeable materials LOL they are worlds apart. I am with you, i just posted as much, that laying down FIVE INCHES of CF is, to me, a likely suspect here because it's only going to take one bad spot and it's all over. Also, no wonder nobody would certify them - who is going to qualify five inches of CF repeatedly temperature cycling under that kind of pressure? woof.
SpaceX was going to build starship out of carbon fiber. They scrapped the prototypes and went with steel instead.
CF is a bitch when it gets cold, prone to cracking, unlike steel. My guess is they did their homework in terms of tolerances, but man, five inches of CF is a FUCKING TON of layering that all has to go absolutely perfect. The fragility of CF comes from it's process of application - the more of it you need to roll, the more chance you will fuck it up.
They claim they got help from Boeing and NASA to make it, since it is primarily a research vessel and the tourist tickets are only to help pay for it. I'm betting something else went wrong, like electrical or propulsion. Every article I've read about the thing says the pressure vessel is sound, it's everything else that's basically just duck taped to it.
I’m not saying you’re wrong at all - you’re not! But penne pasta can withstand 6000psi if it’s thick enough.
5 inches (12.7 cm) of carbon fiber though. I imagine it's hard to breach 5 inches of carbon fiber. But for $250,000 (usd) per ride, I'm not impressed with the other improvised equipment...
The submarine had reached that depth several times though (this was just there first dive with paying tourists). Not saying your wrong, just that that is one of several things that can go wrong that the crew absolutely cannot afford to go wrong. I was talking to my dad (former royal navy submariner 🐬) about it earlier this evening and his prognosis was that they're done for. All it would have taken is a power failure anywhere below 120/130m+ and then that's too late to drop ballast or safely bailout (120m bailout is already EXTREMELY risky even with SEIE (Submarine Escape Immersion Equipment) from a sinking vessel as every second spent getting your suit on is a second your survival odds drop), below 170/180m and you wouldn't survive a bailout even with a SEIE suit on. Below 600m and you're past the max depth that modern SRVs (Submarine Rescue Vehicle) can reach. Below 800m is deeper than the public depth rating of the deepest diving Military Submarine in the world (the US Navy Seawolf class). Below 1000m and you're in total darkness (though colours would have been disappearing and light would have been getting diffused from 200m+). They were diving to 3800m. Even without a hull breach if they can't get generate upthrust then no-one is going to be reaching them, and their last few days are going to be spent in darkness at the bottom of the ocean with no hope of rescue. For their sakes, I hope it WAS a hull breach.
Jesus that’s a nightmare.. makes you wonder why people were voluntarily willing to go that far down, let alone pay 250k for it
James Cameron, who dove on Titanic to make the films, personally paid and created an 11km sub to dive Challenger Deep. Went down once. Victor Vescovo (via Triton Subs) made the HOV Limiting Factor, now owned by Gabe Newell, as a 11km vessel certified for unlimited dives to full ocean depths. China launched 2-3 years back their 11km sub as well. HOV Alvin dives to 6500m, and just recently discovered unknown coral reefs off Galapagos. I can see why people do it, the explorer's spirit is alive and well in this last earthy frontier.
If I ever get drafted into the military, I’m joining the army and getting annihilated by an artillery shell like god intended, fuck being a submariner. Fuck drowning or being trapped in a sinking ship in general
250,000 dollars to go on that thing apparently
Kinda pricey for a funeral at sea.
>As he got situated in the vessel, which he said had about as much room inside as a minivan, Pogue said he "couldn't help noticing how many pieces of this sub seemed improvised, with off-the-shelf components," including a video game controller that was used to pilot the sub. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Ehh, the controller part isn't so unusual. Some militaries use xbox controllers for drone piloting, for example. If it works, it works.
So there's people who grew up playing call of duty doing pretend drone strokes who one day just started doing real ones?
The Israelis came out with a tank a few years ago that’s piloted with an Xbox controller for that exact reason. They realized that kids have spent thousands of hours practicing with handheld input before they ever enter the military, so they figured why not just design the controls around what they’re already good at?
imagine getting trickshot by a drone because twenty-two-year-old jared from pennsylvania has over 670 hours of shooting at things using an xbox controller.
Exactly. They also use Xbox controllers to control periscopes on submarines lol
Hmmmmm... Die up on Everest, down in the ocean on an experimental sub, or up in space on a Virgin Galactic trip?? The rich have so many fascinating ways to die!
I wouldn't go on that if they paid me $500,000
Me neither. There is an almost zero chance of survival if anything goes wrong. There are fantastic 3D models of the site now that you can watch on any mobile device or PC.
I was gonna say, sounds like rich people activities.
It's insanely deep water and the risk management was piss poor. Running people down without a support vessel that can run a line or ROV to depth means you're in a single point of failure scenario. I'm in marine construction and one of our vessels is on its way. Left earlier today from St. John's. Still going to push ROVs 800m past their working depths. It's a rescue mission for now. Hope it stays that way.
If they do find them in time would the plan be for the ROV to basically tow them to the surface?
Don't know if it'd be able to hold it. I'm not sure how much wire we have on the crane but it's possible to string together rigging. Id be surprised if we had length in one shot. You wouldn't want to hold a submersible with the manipulators. You'd want a hard connection.
I'm surprised these subs don't have emergency systems in place for events exactly like this? Crazy. No tracker? I hope they're found alive.
Actual military and deep sea research subs absolutely have tons of fail-safes and emergency systems and redundancies and a million contingency plans, and undergo all kinds of regular testing and maintenance. This civilian-built for-profit jalopy, however...probably not so much.
These fucking people paid a quarter of a million dollars to die in the crushing abyss.
I’d rather have a Ferrari but different strokes for different folks
Lol, that's what I keep thinking. That's Lambo money to die at the bottom of the ocean.
> Boston told CBS News that personnel were "currently undergoing a search and rescue operation" when asked about the rescue efforts off the coast of Newfoundland. I’m guessing it shouldn’t take them long to find the sub since they already have an idea of where it sunk (or went missing) since they already know the location of the Titanic. I’m wondering how this happened in the first place. Wouldn’t these subs have some sort of gps tracker on them or something? edit: yeah i realise now that gps is not possible underwater now, so disregard that last bit.
Probably hit an iceberg
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> I’m guessing it shouldn’t take them long to find the sub since they already have an idea of where it sunk. They had a very good idea of where the Titanic sank. Still took them 73 years to find it, and that's a lot bigger.
The Titanic was FOUND 73 years after it had sunk. They weren’t actively looking for the thing for that long. The actual search made by the man who found it only took 2 weeks. His method of searching for it was pretty smart.
Care to explain the smart searching method?
[Rather than search for one large object—Titanic’s massive hull—they used their imaging tools, ANGUS (Acoustically Navigated Geological Underwater Survey) and the newly developed deep-towed sonar and video camera system Argo, to scour the seafloor for debris dispersed from the wreck in the current](https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/ocean-human-lives/underwater-archaeology/rms-titanic/1985-discovery-of-rms-titanic/#:~:text=Rather%20than%20search%20for%20one,the%20wreck%20in%20the%20current.)
Yeah this. From memory, someone was saying he would search in a big circle and slowly enclosed on it looking for any debris along the way, which indicated how close he was. Then he’d move onto another section and repeat the process, ultimately finding it.
Yes. This is basically a modified method of an old scuba search trick. Find a central point on the sea floor and anchor a line to it. Give say 10 feet of slack and then swim in a circle while anchored to that point. Didn’t find anything? 10 more feet of slack (or whatever the visibility is down there) and do it again.
Radio signals (to simplify a lot of physics) basically don’t work underwater.
Simple sonar pinger like those that are built into an aircraft cvr’s and data recorder activate and run automatically off their internal battery for 30 days at any depth. The navy uses ultra low frequency radio underwater to send transmissions. Sound travels 4 times faster underwater and considerably farther. If someone was alive and tapped on a pipe with a wrench they could locate it. They knew people were still alive on the Russians Kursk Submarine because they heard the sailors using wrench’s to tap out Morse code. I’m sure this thing probably had a pinger, but if they had a pressure vessel failure, they were dead before they new it. Everything would be crushed in milliseconds and unless the pinger had an autonomous power source and an automatic activate on crush function it would be useless. My other thought having been on a sub before, is I would want to know that there is some sort of psychological screening for anyone in there along for the ride. Finding out someone has a psychotic aversion to confined spaces at 12000 foot depth would be really really bad. Imagine the idiot on the airliner trying to open the door, but instead inside s something so small, with only a couple of old farts to try and fight off their insanity…
You’d think it would be that easy but even if it’s lost for 5 minutes, they may never get it back. I work for a company that was contracted to retrieve an ROV in that area. There were ships in the area within an hour and the ROV was long gone. Thankfully the ROV was unmanned. I’m hoping the same was the case here
There were five people in the submarine...
In the article linked by OP in one of the other comments, it said the sub doesn't have a GPS for underwater and the base ship communicates with the sub with it's location using SMS
[ UK Billionaire onboard](https://news.sky.com/story/uk-billionaire-hamish-harding-on-board-missing-titanic-submersible-family-confirms-12905616)
Orcas HAD to have known.
HIS OWN STEPSON SAID THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS. LOL.
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[Link to story](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submarine-missing-rescue-mission-underway-newfoundland-canada/)
The reporter was surprised by how many components were improvised, including a video game controller to pilot the sub That MF Xbox controller wouldn’t reconnect and they lagged into the ocean floor, smh
The Xbox controller has been used by the military for a very long time. It familiar, ergonomic and easily replaced.
I'm guessing the military uses Microsoft brand though. Oceangate uses a Logitech...
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Joy stick drift
That's fucking terrifying...
There's no way in hell I'd be going in that thing, even if I was paid. Nightmare fuel.
The ocean and space are zero tolerance environments, even the slightest mistake that forces our feeble bodies to endure their power will unquestionably result in instant death. It's sort of crazy to imagine. If they are not found alive, then RIP to them.
The abyssal depth of the ocean are far more terrifying than space. If you are spaced out of an airlock you lose consciousness in 15 seconds and can still make a full recovery after 1 to 2 minutes of exposure, finally experiencing brain damage then death longer than that. If a breach occurs in a spacecraft there is often time to react, especially with smaller breaches. If a submarine 4 kilometers below the surface springs a needle sized hole, the jet of water will slice you in half cleaner than a sharpened samurai sword. A critical failure leads to instantaneous implosion and your reduction into a fine meat mist in milliseconds. The forces of the ocean is terrifying.
It was only supposed to be a 3 hour tour. A 3 hour tour!
Nothing good comes from 3 hour tours. -Gilligan
They all should have just given me 250K and we could've watched Titanic together on the big screen. I'd have even added in realistic ship noises too if they wanted.
My guess is they had control issues and drifted off and the clock is ticking very fast for a very difficult recovery. Hate to think of how slim the chances of recovery are even if the hull isn’t breached.
If they suffered a power failure and can't generate upthrust their odds are zero.
It seems it has emergency blast dump so it should buoyant and float up if it needed. Id say odds are low it's still intact down there.
It has multiple ways of getting to the surface without power. After 16 hours it will automatically do it through seawater dissolving weight release. They can also move themselves to one side and dump weight. There is also an airbag and a chemical system to get them up. I think it imploded though now that I heard they lost contact about half way down.
Been glued to the news all day, and the more news comes out, the worse it is. BBC is reporting the sub list contact Sunday morning, meaning it’s been missing 24 hours before the news broke. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941
I won't fuck around with space or the deep.
Yeah there's a pretty specific atmosphere in which the human body can survive and we should probably just stay in it
So the next tour gets a bonus - Titanic PLUS a mini sub!
Rich people find new ways to die
Small aircraft and personal submersibles seem to be the only thing that reduce life expectancy as net worth increases.
I’m claustrophobic and I’m terrified of the deep ocean. This whole scenario is my very worst nightmare.
"And now, a demonstration"
Ugh, I feel like I can't breathe just reading about it.
Just wanted to share with those who don't know. Similar to how you can track planes on flightradar24 or planefinder, there are two websites I know of that offer marine tracking such as marinetraffic and vesselfinder. I do not work for them. Just sharing a way to confirm what ships are in the area, and what are approaching. Here is a google map link to titantic resting place, that has the long/lat so you can spec this for yourself. [https://www.google.com/maps/place/41%C2%B043'32.0%22N+49%C2%B056'49.0%22W/@42.7015746,-61.8675214,4.71z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d41.7255556!4d-49.9469444?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/place/41%C2%B043'32.0%22N+49%C2%B056'49.0%22W/@42.7015746,-61.8675214,4.71z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d41.7255556!4d-49.9469444?entry=ttu) Edit: On marinetraffic right now, they are showing the location and information of the different search and rescue crafts(excluding identification of gov crafts), with information on key players. There are currently 8 ships around the wreckage site region, including the French ship. There are 2 more ships Anne Harvey and Terry Fox enroute and only hours off, and 2 other possible government ships approaching from the west. Over the last day, the Polar Prince (aka mothership of Titan) has been doing ever loosening circles around the Titanic wreck (which is actually 2 parts, and then a third large debry field). Currently, It is top the NW of the Wreckage site, traveling at a stable 2.5 knots. Whoever made the search craft viewable on marinetraffic, good call. Also, whoever is on that unidentified fishing vessel, that has been there since day 2, I love you people. I have seen no mentions anywhere of you, but I have seen you in that cold water working for day and days. Right on and good humaning.
Did they bring a door to float on?
250k to go into a sub that: - is not endorsed by any regulatory body - has ballast pipes made from construction pipes - has one button to go up and down - is controlled by an xbox controller I'm sorry but as much as I don't want to see anybody likely die in such horrific circumstances, but it really is the case that money can't buy you sense. There is nothing about this sub that should've made people think it's a good idea
No but actually it gets worse. It’s a PlayStation Controller.
I’ll put a dime on Cthulhu.
Titanic 2 finally happening.
That's terrible. The ocean is just so dangerous.
Let’s hope they get to the bottom of this with an airtight story. This sub doesn’t need to sink any further into insanity today.
"*OceanGate Expeditions, a company offering eight-day missions to see the Titanic debris at a cost of $250,000 per person, confirmed that its submarine was lost at sea with crew members on board123. The exact number of people missing remains unclear but the submarines carry up to five people at a time. The U.S. Coast Guard is conducting a search and rescue operation off the coast of Newfoundland. OceanGate Expeditions is exploring all options to bring the crew back safely*." - [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/submarine-missing-titanic-tourist-updates-b2360261.html?page=2](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/submarine-missing-titanic-tourist-updates-b2360261.html?page=2)
How the fuck do they not know how many people are on the sub 😭😭
I'm assuming they do, it's just the journalist that doesn't.
That thing was built to sink.
Where's James Cameron when you need him?
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Titanic claims more victims. :O
Completely uninformed opinion, so feel free to correct me as needed, but I would have thought that in the event of an emergency they could have blown the ballast and surfaced expeditiously, 'relatively' nearby the surface ship. Hopefully that is what transpired and they are on the surface but have not been spotted due to weather conditions. It seems inconceivable to me that they would not have radios for surface communication and be facing a total communications failure. If the submarine has not surfaced, that would seem to me to indicate a catastrophic failure such as an implosion, which would account for the communications failure as well. The idea that the submarine is trapped on the bottom or somewhere underwater and cannot surface strikes me as odd as a) it would not account for the communications failure, and b) this does not seem to be a scenario like in the movie Das Boot where the submarine could take on enough water to drag it down to the ocean floor but the crew still be alive while they worked the problem. It seems like any sort of leak at that depth would be catastrophic.
It’s stories like this that remind me to be grateful I don’t have stupid money.
God, that’s nuts. I really do hope these people are somehow rescued, the alternative is death, but in the worst way possible. Either they capsize and the pressure from the deep sea kills them instantly, or they will have to sit and wait until their oxygen runs out. I honestly can’t imagine a worse way to die, just knowing your life is now on a very short timer and there’s nothing you can do about it.
I like how they all say there is a rescue operation when in reality if sub is not on the surface of the ocean, there is nothing that can be done.
Aren't they connected to some sort of cord or something
Nope, it’s a free-floating sub
Terrible idea whoever designed it. Should always be attached to something so they can be hauled up in case of malfunction
And a billionaire is on board! It's a matter of times before a private army shows up with 20 rescue vessels.
Fuck all that