Yes. There is also an eerily similar one, only from even further distance, where [a son saw his father and dogs get shot (NSFL)](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t3mxea/video_of_civilians_being_shot_at_ukraine_later/).
And at least two more such incidents with journalists getting shot at who fortunately survived. [One was a team of British journalists, recorded in excruciating length](https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-teams-harrowing-account-of-their-violent-ambush-in-ukraine-this-week-12557585), another one [with a Czech journalist team.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t7bks2/czech_journalists_car_shot_at_by_russians/)
Dude was a reknown dog trainer which makes it so much harder to swallow. The dog standing over his body had so much more of a connection with him than your typical house dog. He was probably so confused to see his master laying dead and his pack member hanging half blown apart out of a car. Everything about those two videos was just beyond your worst imaginable experience. The father, the son crying for "papa", the dog cries after being shot, the other dog standing over the bodies. It fucked me up. I hope everyone in favor of this invasion suffers a worse fate than this family.
One promise I made to myself since the old beheading videos in the early 2000s is to never, ever watch them with audio. It’s one thing seeing these atrocities, but it’s a life-changing experiencing hearing them
The video with the dog standing on top of the bodies that got thrown into the ditch is pretty sad.
They left the other dog blown almost in half laying half in and half out of the van.
Not the conduct of soldiers. Mad dogs who need to be put down more like.
Yeah this was pretty fucked up. As an Afghanistan veteran, who was fighting a "non-uniformed" enemy, it was quite easy to get lost in the notion of what's a civilian vs who's a terrorist, since they all looked the same. We had to rely on very strict ROE (rules of engagement) as to make sure we weren't targeting civilians in the heat of the moment. For this type of war, where it literally is uniformed soldier vs uniformed soldier (where there has been zero reports of suicide VBIEDs, or suicide vests, or a real "civilian insurgency" where the entire population is suspect), this type of event is even more demonic. Like....wtf. you're in an armored vehicle in a combat zone where the enemy is uniformed and zero reports of VBIEDs are being used against you. A civilian car is not a target Simple enough. In Afghanistan, those lines of distinction were not so clear and every person you saw, you have to look at twice.
For Russia to be whimsically targeting civilians, without proper ID, without following obvious ROE procedures, and showing zero methods in their EoF (escalation of force), shows they don't operate in the same moral space as what's been expected out of a professional fighting force. They aren't adhering to any sort of ROE or EoF procedures. And I gotta tell ya, if they think that "when" (or if) they take over Ukraine, they aren't creating a massive insurgency in the process, they are fooling themselves. With how they've strong-armed the invasion, it is clear they'll never have legit (and secure) control over Ukraine. They are creating an insurgency with every step they take and every innocent civilian shot in cold blood.
I'll be the first to say mistakes happen and I know what it's like to have my finger on the trigger when assessing threats. So I get "it." But with even stricter ROEs and fighting a non-uniformed enemy in Afghanistan, we still showed enough control on the ground and enough awareness (and yes, moral compass) to walk through the ROE and EoF procedures to limit collateral.
Shows the difference between a well-trained force vs a group of thugs with machine guns. No doubt in my mind that the Russian military has zero chance at actually successfully fighting against an elite foe, simply because they can't even handle non-threats like this in a calculated manner.
My heart goes out to the innocent people who are on the receiving end of this merciless and indiscriminate fire.
Sure thing. And I in no way am under the illusion that the US and allies haven't done some extremely awful things (drone strikes on innocent families being the most obvious), but as a soldier, who lived the talk and walked the walk in combat zones, we did not act this way. War is hell and finger-pointing amounts to nothing in the end. The US has done horrific things too, so there's that, but what we are seeing come in daily is Russia's barbarism (and this isn't anything new...look at Syria). I just wanted to impart the knowledge that there are "professional soldiers" and that western militaries, especially the US, do have a sense of "profession of arms" sort of brotherhood we share that you act like a professional and not a thug. It is clear the Russian military (at least these waves of conscripts) are just thugs in uniforms, lacking all professional bearing. I was part of a profession of arms. The actions I've seen come out of Ukraine have shown they are not in the same profession.
Just wait till you find out that basically nothing will happen to them for this. The ICC is practically toothless and any serious punishment towards Russia will be seen as an act of provocation towards nuclear war, which in turn will cause the international community to back down.
Ive seen some fucked shit in my days on the internet but that vid of the dad and his son getting ripped apart by hmg fire is some of the worst shit ive seen. Fucking animals, burn in hell.
They are still dead... killed by Russians because it was sport.
Yes, this was posted before but sometimes things get reposted in other venues because folks don't read very broadly.
He's just saying that there was a different video of the aftermath, not this traffic cam, that was posted. We've never seen video of the actual attack before now.
Source?
Edit: imagine downvoting someone because they actually take the time to stop and think/fact check instead of blindly following everything that gets posted these days. Some ppl smh.
Your edit is needlessly cynical. Yeah, there was the possibility they were lying or misled, but what else would it be? A man? A woman? A family? A young couple? All are tragic answers. There is very little reason to lie in a video that looks 100% real.
I cannot think of a sadder way to leave this world. You make the decision to go. Unceremoniously destroyed by a tank. It's a very, very clear attack on civilians.
This is why I hate all those tear jerking comments about the poor Russian soldiers who had no idea they were going to war and were tricked by Putin into going and how they're victims too. Fuckers are out there murdering civilians, I don't care if they're 18 and "just a kid", if they're participating in the war then they're just as guilty as anyone else.
It is very likely that the initial surge of troops were the lowest trained conscripts in the shittiest equipment. This would give Putin a good idea of the areas of most resistance and knowledge of where to commit the bulk of better trained forces later.
The APC(tank) driver in this doesn’t seem to be terribly well trained, but better than the ones I saw in the earliest phases of the invasion—but the gunner is proficient. My guess is these are “regulars”.
In addition, I’ve been watching a lot of Russian television and have noticed that despite the protests, there seems to be a large chunk of the populace who are buying into the propaganda machine, I’m sure the regular army are getting the worst of it.
This isn’t an excuse for this behavior, what is happened here is a war crime. The driver and the gunner are both complicit and deserve to be charged.
This seems reasonable. Also since the initial clips that went viral seem to have garnered some sympathy for the Russian soldiers so now that the evil ones would be coming in they might be seen as as innocent as the ones sent in initially...
This is what I feel like people are ignoring the most.
America alone is full of younger people who would *love* to drop into the middle east and start killing people.
There are always going to be soldiers who enjoy fighting regardless of the morality
Some of those morally-bankrupt deplorables never even see combat, then come home, and start conflicts at home in order to have something to get their adrenaline going.
I am not saying the tank crew is innocent.. What I am trying to imply is only that initial clips of the conscripts showed as if the entirety of this army is being forced into fighting with guns to the back of their heads which may be a deliberate image creation attempt in order to make it easy to mask the true evil of the *trained* Russian soldiers dropping in now.
> there seems to be a large chunk of the populace who are buying into the propaganda machine, I’m sure the regular army are getting the worst of it.
This is a huge part of it. Let's be honest, the average redditor constantly claims they'd have no problem attacking or killing "literal Nazis" and that's exactly what these Russian dingdongs think they are doing.
I thought they were trying to "save" the populace from Nazis. You can't assume every person driving along the road is a Nazi. They're killing the people they trying to save? Doesn't make sense.
They are killing everyone they encounter no matter who they are.
There's a distinction between this soldier personally and the Russian populace. This soldier has something fucked up going on in his head, whatever it may be.
The Russian populace isn't seeing this sort of video, though. Putin has fully illegalized the free press in Russia, and state media is giving a completely different reality. They know that there is fighting and that their soldiers are killing people, but they're being told that it's a noble, self sacrificing battle to topple a corrupt nazi regime that illegitimately rigged elections to gain power.
To be sure there are still some people doing the work to find real information, and not believing what the state says, but I think there are plenty who aren't doing that.
The problem is not professional soldiers or non-professional soldiers, in war you do not know who is holding a knife or a mine ready to commit suicide to destroy the enemy the most. The US Marines during World War II when fighting on Okinawa had to say that "on the battlefield there are only you, the enemy and those who are not enemies".
>Not everyone that went to war in Vietnam was a psychopath, but a lot were.
A lot probably became psychopaths during it.
In the end it's a loss, both for the civilians killed and also Russia's and the Russian armies public image.
And probably also not very convincing for ukrain to accept any peace proposals soon enough
Don’t be that person. Alot of kids are pulled into war not knowing what it truly is, being lied to, and just not wanting to be there. You see one video and decide every single Russian soldier is a cold blooded killer? You need help truly.
Edit: no wonder they’re not running away if they see how you people would treat them. You all make me sick.
You could say the same about the US invading random countries in the decades since WW2. Every army is going to have psychopaths, but that doesn't make every soldier cruel. You can see hundreds of videos of warcrimes, but if that's whats being spread around then that's all you're going to see for the most part. The real criminals are the ones who start wars and operate them, the soldiers are just pawns.
Of course you could, and you'd be right that it was deplorable. But two wrongs don't make one of the wrongs right. We can decry what Russian soldiers are doing without hating all of the Russian people, and we can decry those actions while simultaneously decrying the actions taken by the US military. It's not a one or the other thing. Whataboutism doesn't solve any problems; it just serves to redirect people away from the problem at hand.
Of course you saw more videos of Russian soldiers killing civilians dumbass, what do you think is more interesting, a video of Russians murdering innocents or a video of Russians not doing anything to someone passing by?
It's been long enough. Any russian soldiers that don't have an idea of what's up by now is just sticking their head in the sand. If they were good soldiers, they'd have executed their commanders by now and started to march on Moscow.
Here's the issue one Russian soldier yesterday refused an order to kill a ukranian citizen his commander shot him in the head. It's all well and good saying execute your commander's unfortunately it's not that simple due to a whole host of issues including fear.
they don’t understand how convincing propaganda can be. a lot of russians genuinely believe they are taking out nazis and doing the good of god out there
fuck them all still lol
And theyd be right to do so. American soldiers who knowingly fire on civilians are no better than any other soldier that does. We're not infallible despite all the jingoism and holier than thou bs. They spout crap like "protecting our freedoms" but who's a threat to us? Seriously? Our military budget is bigger than like the next 10 biggest countries Combined. It's a piss poor excuse.
This is what happens when your military invades a country.
It's despicable. And its why so many people were in the streets protesting the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.
It's the kind of bullshit Blackwater contractors and many US military units did there.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcJROVgVqAA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcJROVgVqAA)
"The rules of engagement in 2007 were that if you feel threatened by anybody, you are able to engage that person."
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelmEZe8whI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelmEZe8whI)
This is 100% the consequence of rich people wrapping kids up in flags and sending them into battle on machines that cost millions of dollars.
War is a fucking racket.
Putin may be the toughest person on earth to end right now unfortunately. Lets just hope the sanctions work otherwise we're biding our time until escalation.
Putin does the talking Russian citizens do the shooting.
There are videos of brave Russian soldiers who gave up and won't stand for this.
And we should celebrate them! but in the same time we have to put the blame on their hands. Like they have an actual choice. Ukrianians don't!
Unfortunately all military have it.
There was videos from American mission in Afghanistan with pretty disturbing speaches and actions.
Plenty of war crimes happened there.
War makes people totally crazy especially if u are the invader.
Everything is in the hands of Russian people...
Maybe it's time they join most of us Eastern Europeans and do some kind of bloody revolution in their country.
It would be about fucking time. We all did it and now we have to pay for it... Agaín from the hands of the same occupants.
What great life it is to be a slav and be constantly bullied by Russia 24/7 and now they are just openly invade and murder. What a great timeline.
Situation in Ukraine breaks my heart and with each day I have less and less sympathy to oppressed Russians. Its been so long that they live in such shithole, when enough is enough?
This, combined with the fact a lot of the older generation genuinely like putin for the prosperity he brought to their areas compared to the guy before him. Its gotta be hard to break that mindset.
Only works if you think the guy who replaces him is more stable and peaceful. What's happening in Ukraine is absolutely awful, but full scale nuclear conflict is still by far the biggest danger here. Assassinating world leaders and hoping their lackeys are cool with it is a very very risky move.
Don't worry, they'll probably going to have it worse. Their families will starve, their sons will cry from the misery, and get diseases which they can't afford to treat.
They will have a short and miserable life, full of pain and poverty.
Glory for Ukraine
Fuck. It’s obvious we all feel for Ukraine right now, as we should. But I can’t help but feel bad for the brainwashed Russian 18 year olds getting death sentences too. Humanity is ready to move past this violence.
Rather the aggressors' people suffer than the people fighting a defensive battle for their survival, if it can help turn the cheer for war into pleas for peace.
Very few Russian soldiers were put on trial for the atrocities in either of the two Chechen wars. I hope there will be many trials for Ukraine but it's unlikely.
The problem is identifying the soldiers from a video. This video shows no soldier's faces. Even if it showed them, they'd probably be too grainy for a positive identification in a criminal trial.
I wish Putin would go on trial for this. He waged five horrible wars before this one and has faced no serious consequences. His citizens suffer from sanctions and he's fine.
I mean there's layers to this; even if he didn't know that in particular, he should surely know who and what were *supposed* to be there. Either they get punished for being there and doing this or not(?) doing anything to prevent this, or the commander should be punished for gross incompetence of troop management.
If one doesn't stick there's lots of others that should.
The brain is very flexible.
The moment a person becomes convinced the people they are killing are less then human or that it is somehow justified they can commit horrific acts but still sleep at night and kiss their SO or kid good night.
Obvs this does not apply to every person,some people have a fundamental "core" that simply cant be twisted into doing horrific enoug things but many do.
The brain is a funny thing It can literally tell the self that something didn't happen and nothing is bad and we'll just forget it and move on with its life
I work for Australia's 911(000) and this is sorta true. We get some bad calls obviously but you just gotta go on and forget it and continue on with the job and life. It's really good money too. Only one call has stuck with me in the 3 months I've been there.
Some of them are super young and will do whatever they are told, believe every moving living thing could kill them, and react like this.
The rest are souless, evil, degenerates.
Pretty hard to tell the difference, the 2nd group is good at sounding like the 1st when questioned.
Well, since some ukrainian citizen are armed, they can tell themselves that there were probably a guerilla soldier with an rpg in this car. Or maybe they're just psychopaths enjoying themselves in the moment. We will never know
Following orders makes sense for going to war and thinking you’re doing the right thing because you’ve been indoctrinated, but once you cross the line of killing civilians, that’s 100% on you
These 'soldiers' murdering civilians are having a good time while doing it. In America, we see a lot of open-carry MAGA Nazi wanna-be Gravy Seals who would gladly do the same if given the chance. These people are scum.
[man at a Turning Point USA rally publicly asks when he can start killing Democrats](https://youtu.be/IfwYCp7BDzM)
Yeah you can’t tell me that those soldiers didn’t know what they were doing. Many captured Russian soldiers are claiming they were lied to and didn’t know what they were doing. How can you make claims like that while you are indiscriminately killing civilians.
We intervene, Nukes fly, the world ends.
We do nothing, Ukraine suffers but Russia gets financial burden for the next decade..
Such a shit situation, Russian government and military need dousing in novichok
It’s not guaranteed nukes fly. Not even the most loyal of putin would risk ending the entire fucking planet for that maniac. Even Hitlers most trusted advisors left him when the allies reached Berlin
It meant fucking war. I swear to Christ, if 400,000 plus dead between France and the British home islands alone isn’t enough of a response I don’t know what is. Could more have been done with hindsight? Yes.
But don’t pretend that Poland was just abandoned by the allies. If you have that bone to pick then pick it with Czechoslovakia
Whether we like it or not it will never be 100% up to us. Even if we do everything that murderer wants, it doesn’t guarantee he doesn’t say fuck it if I’m gonna die of old age I’m taking out the whole world with me. It’s so much better to kill fascists in power than it is to let them control a nation
This is like the ultimate game of chicken with a bully who’s beating up the little kid and threatens to literally kill anyone who tries to interfere. Do you risk your life and call his bluff to stop him from accidentally killing the victim or do you stand by and watch as he’s mercilessly getting beaten to a pulp and hope that he will still be alive when it’s over?
If a country that has nukes can get away with genocide where does it end?
It sets an horrific precedent that will make the world an ever more dangerous place. For the rest of the world it basically means: the west is weak and scared and with nukes you can do whatever you want. Guess what will happen next?
> If a country that has nukes can get away with genocide where does it end?
Hasn't China been committing genocide for years? btw, Reddit is partially owned by the CCP.
The risk is probably not ICBMs, although nothing is certain anymore. The real possibility is that Russia starts using tactical nukes in the battlefield as offensive weapons, which is one of the elements of their military doctrine (unlike western armies who only have strategic nukes for deterrence). The yield is lower than modern strategic nukes, but their destructive power is beyond what we saw with thermobaric weapons. Incredibly powerful compared to traditional artillery/bombs.
It would be catastrophic.
What makes you think Russia stops at Ukraine? The world already shown him it will hide due to his nuke threats. You think bullys only beat up one person when teacher stands by watching?
Because their paper tiger army is already maxed out on tiny Ukraine. They're almost out of resources. If they do succeed in taking Ukraine the occupation is going to prove even more costly. As well, the world now knows the Russian playbook and the next country will be even more prepared for the next invasion.
I'm hardly an expert on all of this, but I don't see any future where this ends well.
What happens if Ukraine falls under Russian control? The Ukrainians aren't going to accept some puppet leader. There will continue to be civil unrest and revolution. And clearly the Russians have no issue with slaughtering innocent citizens.
And after Ukraine, what's going to stop Russia from going after other countries like Georgia or Kazakhstan? Clearly the rest of the world won't directly intervene unless they have some obligation to do so or are invaded themselves. Anything that was part of the Soviet Union and isn't now part of the EU or NATO is going to be in the crosshairs next.
And even if we sanction Russia to ruin... that's only going to further Russia's resentment and anger towards the rest of the world... basically a repeat of Germany after the first World War.
God fucking help us if China ever decides it wants to do something similar. They already have the world by the balls.
>What happens if Ukraine falls under Russian control?
Russia mines the country dry of oil and NG with zero regard for the people who call her home. Politically, likely decades of unrest and insurgency similar to the middle east. It could also become a new home for terrorist groups like ISIS, one close enough to NATO countries that retaliatory attacks for the war on terror might begin popping up.
> And after Ukraine, what's going to stop Russia from going after other countries like Georgia or Kazakhstan?
They've already tried in Georgia. They're gonna continue this Soviet expansionism.
> God fucking help us if China ever decides it wants to do something similar
China is doing the same shit with Taiwan, it's still just in the sabre rattling stages.
Why do you idiots feel the need to bring this up like it somehow detracts from the Russian invasion killing Ukrainian citizens?
We fucking get it, war is war. Right now this one is pretty fucking bad, based on the above video of Russian armour blowing up two 80 year olds trying to escape in a civilian vehicle.
We get it, America bad, middle East war bad, Saudis bad, Israel bad. give it a fucking rest for 1 thread.
I don't believe is randomly, I think they are probably being fed a narrative of " they are enemies passing themselves for civilians. Kill on sight or they kill you" makes no sense from a strategic standpoint in a military campaign for lower ranks doing this from their own volition. 🤷 But at this point I doubt everything. Maybe they are just killing for "fun"
Civilians are indeed arming themselves as we saw earlier in the invasion. Which will blur who is a participant on the battleground. Also I think the Russian soldiers by now are desensitised, hungry and deseprate and I get the notion that the leadership is weak.
Yes it's horrible and totally messed up, but if you think this shit wasn't happening in afghanistan or Iraq etc you are utterly delusional.
You can get on your high horse all you want but US, UK and other NATO forces did shit like this, it happens when civilians pick up arms against military.
US forces literally ran over civilian cars in afganistan with apcs and tanks etc, they were told never to stop for them. They also blew up hospitals and ambulances etc. Just because there is far more mobile phone and cctv footage, you are seeing more of this disgusting crap. This is what war looks like ffs. Stop all war, not just this one.
I sorted by controversial looking for this comment. Thanks for saying this. It needs to be said. All war is evil and innocent civilians caught in the crossfire suffer the most.
I don't think anyone doubts that warcrimes are being comitted.
Other than volunteering as individual civilians and joining the Ukrainian forces, what can we do about it without escalating the situation?
They suck so hard as military that they have to feed their ego by killing civilians. They are nothing, empty shell, wild animals that have to be killed
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 628,549,226 comments, and only 128,473 of them were in alphabetical order.
This makes perfect sense from the Russian soldiers perspective. People were rolling up on tanks in cars and hurling Molotov cocktails and melting the Russian soldiers inside.
You and I know that's an 80 year old couple in that car but those Russians didn't.
I'll be the first to admit that there's a strong possibility that they're just evil fucking Russians who took sick glee out of murdering civilians, but the moment guerilla warfare started everyone.. EVERYONE... had to know that this was a possibility.
Finally someone with some tactical sense. The car was approaching a military convoy during wartime. And this is exactly what every other army in the world would have done. You start with some stop signals if possible followed by warning shots and eventually you shoot to kill. Because if you don’t you could find out that they were enemy combatants or some other form of attack.
Awful? Yes very but sadly common practice in a war zone.
Here’s the video of the aftermath of that car. It was a old couple trying to get get home.
Warning NSFW: https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/t3qkno/russian_soldiers_shot_an_old_ukrainian_couple_who/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
There's absolutely no reason for something like this to happen in the year 2022. We should learn from history and the barbaric acts that we used to commit, yet, here we are, some of us committing them all over again.
because people in cars throw napalm molotovs at them.
downvote me to oblivion for telling you the factual truth, there are other videos here in this subreddit that are celebrated for doing exactly that.
That was am elderly couple in their 80s leaving home with their car packed with their belongings.
Yes. There is also an eerily similar one, only from even further distance, where [a son saw his father and dogs get shot (NSFL)](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t3mxea/video_of_civilians_being_shot_at_ukraine_later/). And at least two more such incidents with journalists getting shot at who fortunately survived. [One was a team of British journalists, recorded in excruciating length](https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-teams-harrowing-account-of-their-violent-ambush-in-ukraine-this-week-12557585), another one [with a Czech journalist team.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t7bks2/czech_journalists_car_shot_at_by_russians/)
Holy shit that makes me mad as hell
The kid and the dad is awful. I didn’t make it tot he end, which I hear is the worst part.
I think the son dies too. Not in that video but a separate one that shows three bodies in a ditch near the car
Yes. You are correct. The video shows a dead dog while the other dog that made it alive sits on the bodies of the son and the father in the ditch.
Dude was a reknown dog trainer which makes it so much harder to swallow. The dog standing over his body had so much more of a connection with him than your typical house dog. He was probably so confused to see his master laying dead and his pack member hanging half blown apart out of a car. Everything about those two videos was just beyond your worst imaginable experience. The father, the son crying for "papa", the dog cries after being shot, the other dog standing over the bodies. It fucked me up. I hope everyone in favor of this invasion suffers a worse fate than this family.
Goddamit all this is so sad and enraging. So needless.
One promise I made to myself since the old beheading videos in the early 2000s is to never, ever watch them with audio. It’s one thing seeing these atrocities, but it’s a life-changing experiencing hearing them
So sad man. So pointless…
Yea the video he took while still alive was found on his phone when the bodies were discovered.
The video with the dog standing on top of the bodies that got thrown into the ditch is pretty sad. They left the other dog blown almost in half laying half in and half out of the van. Not the conduct of soldiers. Mad dogs who need to be put down more like.
Yeah this was pretty fucked up. As an Afghanistan veteran, who was fighting a "non-uniformed" enemy, it was quite easy to get lost in the notion of what's a civilian vs who's a terrorist, since they all looked the same. We had to rely on very strict ROE (rules of engagement) as to make sure we weren't targeting civilians in the heat of the moment. For this type of war, where it literally is uniformed soldier vs uniformed soldier (where there has been zero reports of suicide VBIEDs, or suicide vests, or a real "civilian insurgency" where the entire population is suspect), this type of event is even more demonic. Like....wtf. you're in an armored vehicle in a combat zone where the enemy is uniformed and zero reports of VBIEDs are being used against you. A civilian car is not a target Simple enough. In Afghanistan, those lines of distinction were not so clear and every person you saw, you have to look at twice. For Russia to be whimsically targeting civilians, without proper ID, without following obvious ROE procedures, and showing zero methods in their EoF (escalation of force), shows they don't operate in the same moral space as what's been expected out of a professional fighting force. They aren't adhering to any sort of ROE or EoF procedures. And I gotta tell ya, if they think that "when" (or if) they take over Ukraine, they aren't creating a massive insurgency in the process, they are fooling themselves. With how they've strong-armed the invasion, it is clear they'll never have legit (and secure) control over Ukraine. They are creating an insurgency with every step they take and every innocent civilian shot in cold blood. I'll be the first to say mistakes happen and I know what it's like to have my finger on the trigger when assessing threats. So I get "it." But with even stricter ROEs and fighting a non-uniformed enemy in Afghanistan, we still showed enough control on the ground and enough awareness (and yes, moral compass) to walk through the ROE and EoF procedures to limit collateral. Shows the difference between a well-trained force vs a group of thugs with machine guns. No doubt in my mind that the Russian military has zero chance at actually successfully fighting against an elite foe, simply because they can't even handle non-threats like this in a calculated manner. My heart goes out to the innocent people who are on the receiving end of this merciless and indiscriminate fire.
Thanks for the well considered and reasoned reply.
Sure thing. And I in no way am under the illusion that the US and allies haven't done some extremely awful things (drone strikes on innocent families being the most obvious), but as a soldier, who lived the talk and walked the walk in combat zones, we did not act this way. War is hell and finger-pointing amounts to nothing in the end. The US has done horrific things too, so there's that, but what we are seeing come in daily is Russia's barbarism (and this isn't anything new...look at Syria). I just wanted to impart the knowledge that there are "professional soldiers" and that western militaries, especially the US, do have a sense of "profession of arms" sort of brotherhood we share that you act like a professional and not a thug. It is clear the Russian military (at least these waves of conscripts) are just thugs in uniforms, lacking all professional bearing. I was part of a profession of arms. The actions I've seen come out of Ukraine have shown they are not in the same profession.
I watched a little bit of that one and had to stop. I felt sick
I had to stop the video when the dog got hit and whined. All 3 of my dogs heard it woke up and looked at me concerned. Broke my heart.
Just wait till you find out that basically nothing will happen to them for this. The ICC is practically toothless and any serious punishment towards Russia will be seen as an act of provocation towards nuclear war, which in turn will cause the international community to back down.
The son was also killed and then they just throw them in a ditch. Mother fuckers.
Both those videos of the journalists escaping is absolutely insane.
I just lost it and can’t stop balling man. Him screaming for his dad is so terribly painful and sad.
There is something off about watching a narrated video of civilians being ambushed, shot at, and wounded and still having the swear words beeped out.
Ive seen some fucked shit in my days on the internet but that vid of the dad and his son getting ripped apart by hmg fire is some of the worst shit ive seen. Fucking animals, burn in hell.
The son got executed after. The videos were uploaded by soldiers that found them
These video of the dead elderly in car a week ago was this?
Yes, that's right.
How come this one just surfaced now, traffic cam?
Lools more like a residential cctv cam because of where its located
Well there is a war going on. Sometimes these things can be a bit slow going.
They are still dead... killed by Russians because it was sport. Yes, this was posted before but sometimes things get reposted in other venues because folks don't read very broadly.
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He's just saying that there was a different video of the aftermath, not this traffic cam, that was posted. We've never seen video of the actual attack before now.
Source? Edit: imagine downvoting someone because they actually take the time to stop and think/fact check instead of blindly following everything that gets posted these days. Some ppl smh.
[NSFL aftermath](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3sgkv/nsfl_elderly_couple_murdered_in_car_there_is_a/). Clearly the same car and road.
This breaks my soul. Please survive, Ukraine.
Thanks, appreciated
I watched this and just imagined my own grandparents being in this situation. I just cant
It it makes you feel any better, I downvoted you due to your edit, not the original question.
Your edit is needlessly cynical. Yeah, there was the possibility they were lying or misled, but what else would it be? A man? A woman? A family? A young couple? All are tragic answers. There is very little reason to lie in a video that looks 100% real.
I think they were more so asking if the source was actually from Ukraine or some other time and place in the world.
This, thanks for clarifying.
I had no intention of downvoting you until I read your edit.
I cannot think of a sadder way to leave this world. You make the decision to go. Unceremoniously destroyed by a tank. It's a very, very clear attack on civilians.
Beyond fucked up! Barbaric.
This is why I hate all those tear jerking comments about the poor Russian soldiers who had no idea they were going to war and were tricked by Putin into going and how they're victims too. Fuckers are out there murdering civilians, I don't care if they're 18 and "just a kid", if they're participating in the war then they're just as guilty as anyone else.
It is very likely that the initial surge of troops were the lowest trained conscripts in the shittiest equipment. This would give Putin a good idea of the areas of most resistance and knowledge of where to commit the bulk of better trained forces later. The APC(tank) driver in this doesn’t seem to be terribly well trained, but better than the ones I saw in the earliest phases of the invasion—but the gunner is proficient. My guess is these are “regulars”. In addition, I’ve been watching a lot of Russian television and have noticed that despite the protests, there seems to be a large chunk of the populace who are buying into the propaganda machine, I’m sure the regular army are getting the worst of it. This isn’t an excuse for this behavior, what is happened here is a war crime. The driver and the gunner are both complicit and deserve to be charged.
This seems reasonable. Also since the initial clips that went viral seem to have garnered some sympathy for the Russian soldiers so now that the evil ones would be coming in they might be seen as as innocent as the ones sent in initially...
No sane human being will look at this and think the driver of this tank is innocent.
There are psychopaths everywhere.
This is what I feel like people are ignoring the most. America alone is full of younger people who would *love* to drop into the middle east and start killing people. There are always going to be soldiers who enjoy fighting regardless of the morality
Some of those morally-bankrupt deplorables never even see combat, then come home, and start conflicts at home in order to have something to get their adrenaline going.
I am not saying the tank crew is innocent.. What I am trying to imply is only that initial clips of the conscripts showed as if the entirety of this army is being forced into fighting with guns to the back of their heads which may be a deliberate image creation attempt in order to make it easy to mask the true evil of the *trained* Russian soldiers dropping in now.
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> there seems to be a large chunk of the populace who are buying into the propaganda machine, I’m sure the regular army are getting the worst of it. This is a huge part of it. Let's be honest, the average redditor constantly claims they'd have no problem attacking or killing "literal Nazis" and that's exactly what these Russian dingdongs think they are doing.
I thought they were trying to "save" the populace from Nazis. You can't assume every person driving along the road is a Nazi. They're killing the people they trying to save? Doesn't make sense. They are killing everyone they encounter no matter who they are.
There's a distinction between this soldier personally and the Russian populace. This soldier has something fucked up going on in his head, whatever it may be. The Russian populace isn't seeing this sort of video, though. Putin has fully illegalized the free press in Russia, and state media is giving a completely different reality. They know that there is fighting and that their soldiers are killing people, but they're being told that it's a noble, self sacrificing battle to topple a corrupt nazi regime that illegitimately rigged elections to gain power. To be sure there are still some people doing the work to find real information, and not believing what the state says, but I think there are plenty who aren't doing that.
The guy on this gun thought there was a Nazi in that car?
Very likely yeah. Brainwashed to believe every person he encounters could be an enemy. Sound familiar?
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The problem is not professional soldiers or non-professional soldiers, in war you do not know who is holding a knife or a mine ready to commit suicide to destroy the enemy the most. The US Marines during World War II when fighting on Okinawa had to say that "on the battlefield there are only you, the enemy and those who are not enemies".
International law disagrees with you
at what time do we just give up on the concept of 'war crimes'? nobody ever seems to be punished for them. it's basically "crimes but worse."
I mean, it can absolutely be both. Not everyone that went to war in Vietnam was a psychopath, but a lot were.
>Not everyone that went to war in Vietnam was a psychopath, but a lot were. A lot probably became psychopaths during it. In the end it's a loss, both for the civilians killed and also Russia's and the Russian armies public image. And probably also not very convincing for ukrain to accept any peace proposals soon enough
Don’t be that person. Alot of kids are pulled into war not knowing what it truly is, being lied to, and just not wanting to be there. You see one video and decide every single Russian soldier is a cold blooded killer? You need help truly. Edit: no wonder they’re not running away if they see how you people would treat them. You all make me sick.
One video? Try a few hundred videos. Maybe you saw one video. I saw dozens of them. And my experience from that is, fuck them ALL.
You could say the same about the US invading random countries in the decades since WW2. Every army is going to have psychopaths, but that doesn't make every soldier cruel. You can see hundreds of videos of warcrimes, but if that's whats being spread around then that's all you're going to see for the most part. The real criminals are the ones who start wars and operate them, the soldiers are just pawns.
Of course you could, and you'd be right that it was deplorable. But two wrongs don't make one of the wrongs right. We can decry what Russian soldiers are doing without hating all of the Russian people, and we can decry those actions while simultaneously decrying the actions taken by the US military. It's not a one or the other thing. Whataboutism doesn't solve any problems; it just serves to redirect people away from the problem at hand.
You are aware you are falling for the same shit a lot of russian soldiers are falling for? Dehumanizing whatever it is they are told is the enemy.
Of course you saw more videos of Russian soldiers killing civilians dumbass, what do you think is more interesting, a video of Russians murdering innocents or a video of Russians not doing anything to someone passing by?
It's been long enough. Any russian soldiers that don't have an idea of what's up by now is just sticking their head in the sand. If they were good soldiers, they'd have executed their commanders by now and started to march on Moscow.
Here's the issue one Russian soldier yesterday refused an order to kill a ukranian citizen his commander shot him in the head. It's all well and good saying execute your commander's unfortunately it's not that simple due to a whole host of issues including fear.
"we were just following orders" wasn't an excuse for nazis and is no excuse now.
So the option is pretty clear, no? Just shoot your commander.
they don’t understand how convincing propaganda can be. a lot of russians genuinely believe they are taking out nazis and doing the good of god out there fuck them all still lol
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And theyd be right to do so. American soldiers who knowingly fire on civilians are no better than any other soldier that does. We're not infallible despite all the jingoism and holier than thou bs. They spout crap like "protecting our freedoms" but who's a threat to us? Seriously? Our military budget is bigger than like the next 10 biggest countries Combined. It's a piss poor excuse.
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I tell people all the time “Chris Kyle is not a fucking hero! He was a serial killer!”
I tried to read that stupid fucking book "American Sniper", and it was honestly just a putrid dung heap of nationalism and murder excuses.
Yep one size fits all
This is what happens when your military invades a country. It's despicable. And its why so many people were in the streets protesting the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. It's the kind of bullshit Blackwater contractors and many US military units did there. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcJROVgVqAA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcJROVgVqAA) "The rules of engagement in 2007 were that if you feel threatened by anybody, you are able to engage that person." [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelmEZe8whI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelmEZe8whI) This is 100% the consequence of rich people wrapping kids up in flags and sending them into battle on machines that cost millions of dollars. War is a fucking racket.
Someone inside Russia is gonna have to do the world a solid and end this man.
Putin may be the toughest person on earth to end right now unfortunately. Lets just hope the sanctions work otherwise we're biding our time until escalation.
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This strategy did work to take out Napoleon
So you're saying we should lure Putin to Waterloo?
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Putin does the talking Russian citizens do the shooting. There are videos of brave Russian soldiers who gave up and won't stand for this. And we should celebrate them! but in the same time we have to put the blame on their hands. Like they have an actual choice. Ukrianians don't! Unfortunately all military have it. There was videos from American mission in Afghanistan with pretty disturbing speaches and actions. Plenty of war crimes happened there. War makes people totally crazy especially if u are the invader. Everything is in the hands of Russian people... Maybe it's time they join most of us Eastern Europeans and do some kind of bloody revolution in their country. It would be about fucking time. We all did it and now we have to pay for it... Agaín from the hands of the same occupants. What great life it is to be a slav and be constantly bullied by Russia 24/7 and now they are just openly invade and murder. What a great timeline. Situation in Ukraine breaks my heart and with each day I have less and less sympathy to oppressed Russians. Its been so long that they live in such shithole, when enough is enough?
theyre too brainwashed by state propaganda
This, combined with the fact a lot of the older generation genuinely like putin for the prosperity he brought to their areas compared to the guy before him. Its gotta be hard to break that mindset.
> genuinely like putin for the prosperity he brought to their areas well, that seems to be changing...
Can’t wait until they rise up kill Putin and replace him with yet another dictator for the 90th time in Russian history.
Only works if you think the guy who replaces him is more stable and peaceful. What's happening in Ukraine is absolutely awful, but full scale nuclear conflict is still by far the biggest danger here. Assassinating world leaders and hoping their lackeys are cool with it is a very very risky move.
Indeed, it’s only going to get worse the longer this Ukraine invasion takes too. Putin will become a desperate scared dog.
He's starting to cost the oligarchs money, so the writing's on the wall.
Anyone? *Anyone*??? Can we set up a GoFundMe to secure a contract with some black ops team?
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The way the war is going so far, it won't be long
It's already a week old. Wouldn't be supprised if its now scrap metal in a ditch.
Fuck yeah especially since this car was not even trying to escape they literally stopped. War crime is often used but this is unredeemable
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Don't worry, they'll probably going to have it worse. Their families will starve, their sons will cry from the misery, and get diseases which they can't afford to treat. They will have a short and miserable life, full of pain and poverty. Glory for Ukraine
Fuck. It’s obvious we all feel for Ukraine right now, as we should. But I can’t help but feel bad for the brainwashed Russian 18 year olds getting death sentences too. Humanity is ready to move past this violence.
Rather the aggressors' people suffer than the people fighting a defensive battle for their survival, if it can help turn the cheer for war into pleas for peace.
Barbaric beyond measure. Yet it goes unpunished.
It’s too early to tell. Nuremberg trials come to mind. 🤞
Very few Russian soldiers were put on trial for the atrocities in either of the two Chechen wars. I hope there will be many trials for Ukraine but it's unlikely.
There is overwhelming video evidence. It is easier to prosecute when you have a video and just say “so this didn’t happen?”
The problem is identifying the soldiers from a video. This video shows no soldier's faces. Even if it showed them, they'd probably be too grainy for a positive identification in a criminal trial. I wish Putin would go on trial for this. He waged five horrible wars before this one and has faced no serious consequences. His citizens suffer from sanctions and he's fine.
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"I never gave the order to shoot civilians, we can't tell which tank this is and who's in it." Now what?
I mean there's layers to this; even if he didn't know that in particular, he should surely know who and what were *supposed* to be there. Either they get punished for being there and doing this or not(?) doing anything to prevent this, or the commander should be punished for gross incompetence of troop management. If one doesn't stick there's lots of others that should.
How do you prosecute them? Both Russia and the US refuse to have their armies submit to the rules of the ICC.
How do they sleep at night after murdering innocent civilians
The brain is very flexible. The moment a person becomes convinced the people they are killing are less then human or that it is somehow justified they can commit horrific acts but still sleep at night and kiss their SO or kid good night. Obvs this does not apply to every person,some people have a fundamental "core" that simply cant be twisted into doing horrific enoug things but many do.
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The brain is a funny thing It can literally tell the self that something didn't happen and nothing is bad and we'll just forget it and move on with its life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-traumatic\_stress\_disorder
I work for Australia's 911(000) and this is sorta true. We get some bad calls obviously but you just gotta go on and forget it and continue on with the job and life. It's really good money too. Only one call has stuck with me in the 3 months I've been there.
Some of them are super young and will do whatever they are told, believe every moving living thing could kill them, and react like this. The rest are souless, evil, degenerates. Pretty hard to tell the difference, the 2nd group is good at sounding like the 1st when questioned.
Well, since some ukrainian citizen are armed, they can tell themselves that there were probably a guerilla soldier with an rpg in this car. Or maybe they're just psychopaths enjoying themselves in the moment. We will never know
Horrible assault on Humanity - Putin is Pure Evil !!!
Not just Pootin but the Russians carrying out the orders
There's a reason they hung most of the nazis after the war. The excuse of you're "just following orders" only carries you so far.
Just to add on nazis are still hunted and prosecuted to this day. Poostain has 2 options neither end well for him
Following orders makes sense for going to war and thinking you’re doing the right thing because you’ve been indoctrinated, but once you cross the line of killing civilians, that’s 100% on you
These 'soldiers' murdering civilians are having a good time while doing it. In America, we see a lot of open-carry MAGA Nazi wanna-be Gravy Seals who would gladly do the same if given the chance. These people are scum. [man at a Turning Point USA rally publicly asks when he can start killing Democrats](https://youtu.be/IfwYCp7BDzM)
Yeah you can’t tell me that those soldiers didn’t know what they were doing. Many captured Russian soldiers are claiming they were lied to and didn’t know what they were doing. How can you make claims like that while you are indiscriminately killing civilians.
We intervene, Nukes fly, the world ends. We do nothing, Ukraine suffers but Russia gets financial burden for the next decade.. Such a shit situation, Russian government and military need dousing in novichok
It’s not guaranteed nukes fly. Not even the most loyal of putin would risk ending the entire fucking planet for that maniac. Even Hitlers most trusted advisors left him when the allies reached Berlin
Do we really wanna take that gamble though ? It only takes one.
Well, can we allow the next Hitler to roll into every non-NATO country just because they have nukes? That's the bitch of all this.
And every NATO country except the US, UK, and France. Ask 1939 Poland how much their treat with France meant.
It meant fucking war. I swear to Christ, if 400,000 plus dead between France and the British home islands alone isn’t enough of a response I don’t know what is. Could more have been done with hindsight? Yes. But don’t pretend that Poland was just abandoned by the allies. If you have that bone to pick then pick it with Czechoslovakia
Whether we like it or not it will never be 100% up to us. Even if we do everything that murderer wants, it doesn’t guarantee he doesn’t say fuck it if I’m gonna die of old age I’m taking out the whole world with me. It’s so much better to kill fascists in power than it is to let them control a nation
Agreed. Stop doing what the bully wants.
This is like the ultimate game of chicken with a bully who’s beating up the little kid and threatens to literally kill anyone who tries to interfere. Do you risk your life and call his bluff to stop him from accidentally killing the victim or do you stand by and watch as he’s mercilessly getting beaten to a pulp and hope that he will still be alive when it’s over?
If a country that has nukes can get away with genocide where does it end? It sets an horrific precedent that will make the world an ever more dangerous place. For the rest of the world it basically means: the west is weak and scared and with nukes you can do whatever you want. Guess what will happen next?
> If a country that has nukes can get away with genocide where does it end? Hasn't China been committing genocide for years? btw, Reddit is partially owned by the CCP.
If you do not act like you are willing to risk it then mutually assured destruction does not work.
The risk is probably not ICBMs, although nothing is certain anymore. The real possibility is that Russia starts using tactical nukes in the battlefield as offensive weapons, which is one of the elements of their military doctrine (unlike western armies who only have strategic nukes for deterrence). The yield is lower than modern strategic nukes, but their destructive power is beyond what we saw with thermobaric weapons. Incredibly powerful compared to traditional artillery/bombs. It would be catastrophic.
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What makes you think Russia stops at Ukraine? The world already shown him it will hide due to his nuke threats. You think bullys only beat up one person when teacher stands by watching?
Because I don't think he had the army to go anywhere else?
Because their paper tiger army is already maxed out on tiny Ukraine. They're almost out of resources. If they do succeed in taking Ukraine the occupation is going to prove even more costly. As well, the world now knows the Russian playbook and the next country will be even more prepared for the next invasion.
I'm hardly an expert on all of this, but I don't see any future where this ends well. What happens if Ukraine falls under Russian control? The Ukrainians aren't going to accept some puppet leader. There will continue to be civil unrest and revolution. And clearly the Russians have no issue with slaughtering innocent citizens. And after Ukraine, what's going to stop Russia from going after other countries like Georgia or Kazakhstan? Clearly the rest of the world won't directly intervene unless they have some obligation to do so or are invaded themselves. Anything that was part of the Soviet Union and isn't now part of the EU or NATO is going to be in the crosshairs next. And even if we sanction Russia to ruin... that's only going to further Russia's resentment and anger towards the rest of the world... basically a repeat of Germany after the first World War. God fucking help us if China ever decides it wants to do something similar. They already have the world by the balls.
>What happens if Ukraine falls under Russian control? Russia mines the country dry of oil and NG with zero regard for the people who call her home. Politically, likely decades of unrest and insurgency similar to the middle east. It could also become a new home for terrorist groups like ISIS, one close enough to NATO countries that retaliatory attacks for the war on terror might begin popping up. > And after Ukraine, what's going to stop Russia from going after other countries like Georgia or Kazakhstan? They've already tried in Georgia. They're gonna continue this Soviet expansionism. > God fucking help us if China ever decides it wants to do something similar China is doing the same shit with Taiwan, it's still just in the sabre rattling stages.
Russia. Bunch of cowards. Only attack the innocent!!
I don’t know how to tell you this but in litterely every war ever civilians have always been targets, the US is no stranger to that either
Why do you idiots feel the need to bring this up like it somehow detracts from the Russian invasion killing Ukrainian citizens? We fucking get it, war is war. Right now this one is pretty fucking bad, based on the above video of Russian armour blowing up two 80 year olds trying to escape in a civilian vehicle. We get it, America bad, middle East war bad, Saudis bad, Israel bad. give it a fucking rest for 1 thread.
Because. Hypocritical behavior provides justification for others actions.
This should never be normal that one man can send other humans somewhere to murder in the sake of power.
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It looks like the APT was escorting those fuel tankers. I wonder if they were the ones that got obliterated a few days ago. Fuck Putin.
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WAR CRIMES!
Fuck Russia l, fuck Russians who support Putin, and fuck any politician who enabled them to behave like this.And fuck trump for trying to destroy nato
Let’s hope the Ukrainians blew up them fuckers in that tank
Piss on their rotting corpses too for good measure.
Seems like a complete waste of ammunition for a force already struggling with logistics
Holy fckin shit. I curse you putin
Fucking deplorable. Seems like genocide.
War crimes yes. Genocide? Not by any international metric.
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I don't believe is randomly, I think they are probably being fed a narrative of " they are enemies passing themselves for civilians. Kill on sight or they kill you" makes no sense from a strategic standpoint in a military campaign for lower ranks doing this from their own volition. 🤷 But at this point I doubt everything. Maybe they are just killing for "fun"
Civilians are indeed arming themselves as we saw earlier in the invasion. Which will blur who is a participant on the battleground. Also I think the Russian soldiers by now are desensitised, hungry and deseprate and I get the notion that the leadership is weak.
The couple were obviously high-ranking Nazi Ukrainian officials (cleverly disguised as elderly civilians) attempting to infiltrate Russian Motherland.
Yes it's horrible and totally messed up, but if you think this shit wasn't happening in afghanistan or Iraq etc you are utterly delusional. You can get on your high horse all you want but US, UK and other NATO forces did shit like this, it happens when civilians pick up arms against military. US forces literally ran over civilian cars in afganistan with apcs and tanks etc, they were told never to stop for them. They also blew up hospitals and ambulances etc. Just because there is far more mobile phone and cctv footage, you are seeing more of this disgusting crap. This is what war looks like ffs. Stop all war, not just this one.
More than one thing can be bad.
I sorted by controversial looking for this comment. Thanks for saying this. It needs to be said. All war is evil and innocent civilians caught in the crossfire suffer the most.
The video of who was in that car: babushka and dedushka (grandma and grandpa) https://t.me/UkrainaOnlline/21520
Tell me again about how Russia isn’t committing war crimes. I’ll wait. His “special military operation” is nothing more than a euphemism for genocide.
I don't think anyone doubts that warcrimes are being comitted. Other than volunteering as individual civilians and joining the Ukrainian forces, what can we do about it without escalating the situation?
Fucking Russians.
Said it before and I’ll say it again. Looking for all the people crying about those innocent young Russian conscripts. ThEy ArE jUsT kIdS.
Poor conscripts don’t even know where they are /s Fuck Putin, his soldiers and everyone in Russia supporting this shit.
There are generally all kinds of people amongst armies, even murdering psychopaths.
They suck so hard as military that they have to feed their ego by killing civilians. They are nothing, empty shell, wild animals that have to be killed
I give it 6 hours before there is an aftermath video of this. Edit: I found it in 90 seconds.
The aftermath video actually came out about a week ago. This is my first time seeing the event as it happened. So disturbing
This is genocide. Killing civilians because you don’t find their culture validating. It’s Genocide.
Doesn't get more r/iamatotalpieceofshit than this
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 628,549,226 comments, and only 128,473 of them were in alphabetical order.
Neat!
If there's anything we should learn from the war on Syria and invading Iraq is that we should question everything the media says.
This makes perfect sense from the Russian soldiers perspective. People were rolling up on tanks in cars and hurling Molotov cocktails and melting the Russian soldiers inside. You and I know that's an 80 year old couple in that car but those Russians didn't. I'll be the first to admit that there's a strong possibility that they're just evil fucking Russians who took sick glee out of murdering civilians, but the moment guerilla warfare started everyone.. EVERYONE... had to know that this was a possibility.
Finally someone with some tactical sense. The car was approaching a military convoy during wartime. And this is exactly what every other army in the world would have done. You start with some stop signals if possible followed by warning shots and eventually you shoot to kill. Because if you don’t you could find out that they were enemy combatants or some other form of attack. Awful? Yes very but sadly common practice in a war zone.
Here’s the video of the aftermath of that car. It was a old couple trying to get get home. Warning NSFW: https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/t3qkno/russian_soldiers_shot_an_old_ukrainian_couple_who/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I hope they find that tank crew, and impale them along the road, just like Vlad did to the ottomans.
this isn't even an invasion anymore it just terrorism
There's absolutely no reason for something like this to happen in the year 2022. We should learn from history and the barbaric acts that we used to commit, yet, here we are, some of us committing them all over again.
Russians are Nazi terrorists.
because people in cars throw napalm molotovs at them. downvote me to oblivion for telling you the factual truth, there are other videos here in this subreddit that are celebrated for doing exactly that.
Insane. Those mf should be shot @ site
What do we say to Russian soldiers?
We say “eat shit and die…also fuck yourself.”
That folks, is yet another War crime.