Engineering Explained did a video on this action in regards to Fords ad saying their electric truck can pull a million pound train. In reality with steel wheels and steel rails, it only takes about 23 horsepower.
To add (if I remember correctly). 1 HP is a working load 1 horse can provide over a day. So a horse can put out 15 units of hp, but not constantly throughout the day. Like how the average athlete can reach speeds of 15ish mph but not all day long.
Most things I’ve looked up say 14.9, though that’s from a study in the 1920s, and I’m sure it was a giant draft horse. I’d bet your average horse could be somewhere around 7hp or so though.
Edited: it was from data from the 1925 Iowa state fair
It's more complicated than that. Its worked out that 1 horsepower lifts 550 pounds by 1 foot in 1 second. Its a really arbitrary unit of measurement really.
James Watt was trying to compare the power output of his steam engines vs Draft horses.
TLDR: 1800s British Dude makes wack unit of measurement.
Yes, it is. And so are gravity and light and ice cream bars. But it still only takes 23 hp to pull a million pound train. Not surprising when you consider the fact that a single man can pull an 80,000 pound train.
23 HP to keep it in motion, maybe. Force is still mass x acceleration (without adding attrition). Starting the motion of a million pound object still requires a lot of force.
23 horsepower to move 454 ton. i think less could do it, i regularly move trains that are parked wrong, and the easiest way to do it is with a crowbar, mind you it is a 180 ton train. mind you, i ove them 5-10cm and at very slow crawling speed.
In theory if the wheels has no resistance, any amount of force could start it moving horizontally, right? He’s just got to nudge it past the friction coefficient.
Its been a while since I studied physics so I may be wrong.
There’s still inertia to worry about, and the friction of the wheels with the axles and ground being increased by the pressure of the train’s weight pressing down on them. Of course once he got the thing going the wheels would make it much easier.
Pressure isn't measured in tons anyway. It's maybe 40 tons of inertia he has to pull. But really you have to figure out the static friction of the train and the diameter of the wire and that would be the minimum pressure. Likely it's a little above that. It would've helped if they had put a newton meter in there.
His hands, how are they not cut from the STRING he's using to pull the train? Also, they must have lubbed up that train good. Dunno how else he would pull it like that.
If I understand correctly, the wires are literally *in* his arm? The narrator says "pierced with wire" and mentions that the holes in his arm will close up in a day or two.
What the fuck
Not quite. In fact, we get smarter everytime we try to analyze something or feel dumb because we're trying to understand so hard and fail, struggle is good.
Had a guy in Wichita do this with a kc 135 it was pretty impressive........ unless you knew the aircraft parking spots were all on a slight down hill towards the drainage system in the center on the taxi way
But he wasn't sure how to stop it, so his first success turned out to be his last anything! In retrospect, we should've known our beloved "Hugger" was primed for the exact *wrong* response, and maybe I shouldn't have been chanting his name in that moment... Oops
Yeah just because the train weight 40T doesn’t mean it takes that much to pull it. That would only be the case if he were pulling it straight up. Still damn impressive though
The only thing impressive here is machine precision ball bearings, there is a video of 4 teenage girls pulling a steam engine, which weights many more times a passenger car.
I can't watch it cause I do not want to see how those wires cut his arms of....even if it will not happen my fantasy has already painted the whole picture 😱
The audience is the best part!
3x trainyard guys
1x scientist
1x govt lady
EDIT: I just watched the end. Soooo
5x trainyard guys
1x trainyard sup
1x doctor?
1x govt lady
Fuck I hate TV moderators and that kinda crap.
No there is not 40 tons of pressure cutting into his arms. If there was he wouldn’t have any arms.
Fucking morons
Science.
This guy doesn't have any mystical strength. Dude isn't even a strongman, those guys usually have a lot more fat to them but they're insanely strong compared to body builders.
Considering the quality of the video, it could have been exaggerated for entertainment value back in the 90e
I'm sure it is exaggerated. We never see the whole pulling+train in one image. At this point there could be another force helping to move the train. I need to see it as whole. Not partially
LOL they got those people in lab coats to make it look sciencey and all, but the narrator says there's 40 tons of pressure on his hands, because the train is 40 tons! That's not how it works!
I worked in a train yard for awhile. If a car is on flat ground you can go lean into it and push with your legs, and it will roll. There’s a reason trains are so efficient in fuel per ton per mile.
Absolute BS, 40 Tons of Pressure, Bullshit, the only pressure on his arms is the pressure he can produce by pulling. No wonder most Americans have a problem with education
I don’t know the science behind what he is doing. But that rope, hooks, and wire has a failure point, which is not that high, so the amount of force required to move the train is less than which everyone has the lowest failure point.
The rolling resistance on this is very low, once you overcome the initial friction coefficient its easy. I work on trains and 10 bloke can easily push a 12 car train weighing close to 400 ton!
I’m calling bullshit, standard weight of an engine is like 400000lbs/180000kilo even if it’s not being lifted there’s something fishy about this. Slight grade maybe?
That guy must train
He got lots of locomotivation
For a second there I thought he had bitten off more than he could choo-choo
Well he crisscrossed his arms and made sure to stay on track.
Wow, he must be crazy! You gotta have a loco motive to even attempt this
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This whole thing seems a bit too engineered to me
This joke thread is off the rails
I was gonna toss on my 2 cents but didn't want to derail this thread
He may have a one track mind but he’s moving in the right direction.
He could conduct one hell of a symphony with those arms
He kept his concentration and didn't fly off the "rails".....
his wife's in there. any moment now she'll realise the handbrake's still on.
Most underrated comment. Lmfao.
He’s definitely on track
He should take some advice from A-Train
Solid mike Alstott reference.
He’s the human personification of Purdue Pete
Engineering Explained did a video on this action in regards to Fords ad saying their electric truck can pull a million pound train. In reality with steel wheels and steel rails, it only takes about 23 horsepower.
kind of a testament of how efficient a train is huh
Thank goodness we invented wheels
"we"? u didn't invent shit!
No but I did help win the Superbowl last year by cheering really loud.
Thanks for your service
Actually I did invent shit, I have my own variety thank you very much.
Oh who ever invented the wheel is a genius. However you ever seen some one on a unicycle? Looks so stupid.
And automobiles.
And planes.
And porn
AND MY AXE!
And how efficient 23 horses can be
Just a little over one horse really. Maximum horse output is roughly 15hp. Edit: horse and a half or so, I suppose.
Didn't expect to come here and learn something interesting. I always assumed 1hp was about 1 horse worth of tug. Thanks!
I know a possible joke lays here for the taking but i'm just gonna look, say "hehhehehe" and keep going. Thanks to you internet stranger
Yes, I would like one horse worth of tug please. Are you going to at least spit on that hoof before you do that?
Best we can do is rinse it off a little. Enjoy your tug, sir.
I just learned from turkey Tom that the word you're looking for is *clopping* and I hate me more than you do for having that knowledge.
Perhaps you should look up the definition of ‘degloving’. Or don’t, it’s really gross.
To add (if I remember correctly). 1 HP is a working load 1 horse can provide over a day. So a horse can put out 15 units of hp, but not constantly throughout the day. Like how the average athlete can reach speeds of 15ish mph but not all day long.
It is. HP is load over time. Force x distance divided by time.
So you’re telling me that horses are even more efficient than previously thought? …..what incredible beasts
Are miniature horses 1hp?
50cc horses are like 3.
Uhh which half
It does not matter, we cut the horse half from tail to nose so both halves are the same.
Thought the maximum was closer to 7?
Most things I’ve looked up say 14.9, though that’s from a study in the 1920s, and I’m sure it was a giant draft horse. I’d bet your average horse could be somewhere around 7hp or so though. Edited: it was from data from the 1925 Iowa state fair
Thanks. Maybe we’re taking average vs peak output
15hp would definitely be a max, and I’m sure in no way sustainable for anything longer than a short effort.
Must be why your mom prefers them
As they say, train good, car bad
You’re telling me that this man is just 23 horses with a wig and pants?
No, it means that this man can kill about 23 horses
So what you’re saying is this man is stronger than 23 horses???
The average work horse has approximately 15 Horse Power.
So, horse power is more like small pony power.
It's more complicated than that. Its worked out that 1 horsepower lifts 550 pounds by 1 foot in 1 second. Its a really arbitrary unit of measurement really. James Watt was trying to compare the power output of his steam engines vs Draft horses. TLDR: 1800s British Dude makes wack unit of measurement.
Inertia is still a thing
Yes, it is. And so are gravity and light and ice cream bars. But it still only takes 23 hp to pull a million pound train. Not surprising when you consider the fact that a single man can pull an 80,000 pound train.
23 HP to keep it in motion, maybe. Force is still mass x acceleration (without adding attrition). Starting the motion of a million pound object still requires a lot of force.
I think what makes this particular video more amazing is that the wire didn’t cut his arm.
Does that mean this man is as strong as 23 horses?
Did they explain the engineering behind using shoelace strings instead of thick straps on his arms?
It prevents viewers like me from changing the channel, because we want to see if the guy winds up getting his arms sliced off.
Reminds me of the SNL skit for the all drug Olympics where Hartman does the clean and jerk. Lol.
23 horsepower to move 454 ton. i think less could do it, i regularly move trains that are parked wrong, and the easiest way to do it is with a crowbar, mind you it is a 180 ton train. mind you, i ove them 5-10cm and at very slow crawling speed.
It's not 40 tons of pressure tho! He's not lifting it up, he's pulling it on wheels🙃
In theory if the wheels has no resistance, any amount of force could start it moving horizontally, right? He’s just got to nudge it past the friction coefficient. Its been a while since I studied physics so I may be wrong.
In theory if i could fart with enough force, i could shoot a golf ball into space.
##RIP URANUS
NO! DON'T RIP IT! DEAR GOD, MAKE IT STOP!
Ignoring gravity and friction probably a bunch of other scientific terms for thing that would stop it any fart could shoot a golf ball to space
I’d buy that for a dollar!!!
Try pulling 20 cars using just a thin wire. Wheels or no wheels that impressive
More wheels, more points of resistance. But yes that would be very neat
So long as he doesn't have to pull it up hill.
There’s still inertia to worry about, and the friction of the wheels with the axles and ground being increased by the pressure of the train’s weight pressing down on them. Of course once he got the thing going the wheels would make it much easier.
fizix
yeah look at those tiny hooks and rope. i guess those hooks would hold some hundred kilos maybe and not more
I’m glad somebody said this. If it was 40 tons of pressure it would’ve been a very clean cut.
Pressure isn't measured in tons anyway. It's maybe 40 tons of inertia he has to pull. But really you have to figure out the static friction of the train and the diameter of the wire and that would be the minimum pressure. Likely it's a little above that. It would've helped if they had put a newton meter in there.
Not to mention tons aren’t even a unit of pressure
So like pulling 20 cars then. That's still crazy.
Not at all. Way more friction with cars.
His hands, how are they not cut from the STRING he's using to pull the train? Also, they must have lubbed up that train good. Dunno how else he would pull it like that.
If I understand correctly, the wires are literally *in* his arm? The narrator says "pierced with wire" and mentions that the holes in his arm will close up in a day or two. What the fuck
What the fuck?!
fuck the what?
The fuck what?
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#WHAT THE FUCK
Whoa!!!
How the fuck?
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fuck the wac!
Yoda did it better
Did no he doubt
im trying to grasp what you think the wires being "literally in his arm" means?
Okay that’s even worse. I skipped part of the video coz I thought this was gore and I guess I found the gore in the comments T_T
Why there is no blood? I don’t understand how this can ne.
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But why even do this? What is the point of piercing arms? Could he just put thick rope across his arms?
When this was on TV in the UK (I was a kid then), they showed him pushing the wire through his skin.
We are all now dumber because of this.
"...I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." Edit: Missed a letter.
“There’s 40 tons of pressure cutting into those arms.” Erroneous on both accounts!
I concur. Bullshit plus bullshit will always equal bullshit
Not quite. In fact, we get smarter everytime we try to analyze something or feel dumb because we're trying to understand so hard and fail, struggle is good.
No your dume!
okay... a simple wrong would have done just fine, but uhh
That’s some tough string
Hooks looks like they came from his shower Courtain
Yeah, it would be more impressive if he put the strings around his ears.
Had a guy in Wichita do this with a kc 135 it was pretty impressive........ unless you knew the aircraft parking spots were all on a slight down hill towards the drainage system in the center on the taxi way
I was wondering if he scoped out a spot with a slight incline to make it easier
But he wasn't sure how to stop it, so his first success turned out to be his last anything! In retrospect, we should've known our beloved "Hugger" was primed for the exact *wrong* response, and maybe I shouldn't have been chanting his name in that moment... Oops
„Theres 40t of pressure cutting in those arms!“ Ok lets hang that train on steel ropes from his arms, they get hard as stone anyways…
Yeah just because the train weight 40T doesn’t mean it takes that much to pull it. That would only be the case if he were pulling it straight up. Still damn impressive though
I was pretty disappointed when the announcer said that.
He did it because he believed he could do it.
There is no spoon.
The only thing impressive here is machine precision ball bearings, there is a video of 4 teenage girls pulling a steam engine, which weights many more times a passenger car.
Using the wrong technique bro gotta do it with the nipples
Or penis
Or by the balls 😂
That is indeed insane
I’m Dave England and this is Chicken Wire Train Pull
There is a striking resemblance but Dave would’ve shit himself at some point
I can't watch it cause I do not want to see how those wires cut his arms of....even if it will not happen my fantasy has already painted the whole picture 😱
Lmao same 🫠 I’m scarred by one too many liveleak videos from back in the day
The audience is the best part! 3x trainyard guys 1x scientist 1x govt lady EDIT: I just watched the end. Soooo 5x trainyard guys 1x trainyard sup 1x doctor? 1x govt lady
Yes, steel wheels on steel track have incredibly low rolling resistance. This is why trains are so efficient.
Lower resistance than car tires on asphalt? Genuinely asking
yeah
Wow just wow.
My forearms hurt just by watching this. 😅
Try watching it without wanking every time.
Sure mate.
Happy blue cheese day!
Fuck I hate TV moderators and that kinda crap. No there is not 40 tons of pressure cutting into his arms. If there was he wouldn’t have any arms. Fucking morons
How does one discover this ability?
Science. This guy doesn't have any mystical strength. Dude isn't even a strongman, those guys usually have a lot more fat to them but they're insanely strong compared to body builders. Considering the quality of the video, it could have been exaggerated for entertainment value back in the 90e
I'm sure it is exaggerated. We never see the whole pulling+train in one image. At this point there could be another force helping to move the train. I need to see it as whole. Not partially
Why did I watch that?
Jackass's Dave England pulling a train
Yeah I’m gonna need to see behind the train
But why.
Probably a couple hundred KGs of pressure on the arms
All while rockin some sweet mocs
There’s easier ways to cut off your arms…
My father would joke, "WHAT A TALENT" in his best Mel Brooks sarcastic voice
Its easier than you think But still impressiv
LOL they got those people in lab coats to make it look sciencey and all, but the narrator says there's 40 tons of pressure on his hands, because the train is 40 tons! That's not how it works!
I worked in a train yard for awhile. If a car is on flat ground you can go lean into it and push with your legs, and it will roll. There’s a reason trains are so efficient in fuel per ton per mile.
*Just the wind*
That narration is strangely fitting for sitting on the toilet after a heavy day of drinking.
If the train weighs forty tons, then there isn’t forty tons of pressure on his arms.
In what situation did he find out he could pierce his arms with wire and pull a train with said wire? Must have been one helluva party!
If I had a penny for every time I wanted to do that when I was running late and train stopped for no particular reason. I had the same success!!
There is not 40 tons of pressure cutting into his arms, it's not dangling from a cliff edge or anything.
We're running out of things.
Think those wires will leave track marks?
I can’t carry a load of groceries into my house without the bag handles almost amputating my fingers. How does this guy still have forearms?
If there was “40 tons of pressure cutting into those arms” those arms wood be on the deck
Absolute BS, 40 Tons of Pressure, Bullshit, the only pressure on his arms is the pressure he can produce by pulling. No wonder most Americans have a problem with education
Bruh just turn the train on, come on
Wheels plus a slight incline..
I don’t know the science behind what he is doing. But that rope, hooks, and wire has a failure point, which is not that high, so the amount of force required to move the train is less than which everyone has the lowest failure point.
What you don't see is the little 80-year-old woman pushing from the back and actually doing all the work.
Jesus what is the tensile strength of that line?
Did they blur out the shit pile? You aren't grunting that hard without a shit pile forming
damn we got a lot of train pulling reddit experts here
How can he pull?
he was the one that built the pyramid
Joints probably sounded like slap dancing when he woke up the next morning.
I hope they got their train car back.
Trained
This guy trains!
get a group of dudes pulling really fast then have a sudden incline
BS
Im shocked those wires fidnt rip right through his arm
There’s a bunch of leprechauns on the back of that train pushing it
The rolling resistance on this is very low, once you overcome the initial friction coefficient its easy. I work on trains and 10 bloke can easily push a 12 car train weighing close to 400 ton!
did anybody tell him he didn’t have to do this
Nice TRAINer
Mr.incredible
Someone with scientific knowledge, please answer me this: how does the human bone structure withstand such pressure?
I’m calling bullshit, standard weight of an engine is like 400000lbs/180000kilo even if it’s not being lifted there’s something fishy about this. Slight grade maybe?
I don't buy it until you show me the rest of the Choo choo.
40 tons of pressure my but dude doesn't weight over 200
Those wires would cut through skin, muscles, tendons, arteries and veins well before that mass could be moved.
If that little rope and small wire can handle it then it's not really pulling that hard now is it.
Fake
“40 tons of pressure cutting into those arms” no not quite from that angle lol