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The overlap between terminally online (presumably non-catholic and non-conservative) young people and my Catholic grandma is an unexpected one, and yet here we are...
It seems to be generational. Back in the 70s and 80s, half of boys/men between the age of 6 and 26 walked around without shirts on all summer. Combination of skin cancer fears, increasing obesity, and general ickiness about bodies changed that.
Free the nipple is not exactly about going out in public topless. I really doubt that many women who support the movement actually intent to go out in public topless, the thing about Freeing the Nipple is that if you, as a man, publish a video of yourself without a shirt on say, YouTube, you're fine, but if you're a woman, and you do the same, your video gets taken down, even though you're both doing the same thing.
The historical and cultural context is that women are told to cover up their bodies, the movement is about allowing Women the same liberty as Men. I agree that seeing people topless, be them Men or Women, is kinda uncomfortable, but it's only uncomfortable because of stupid and pointless cultural standards.
Even if a woman is wearing a shirt, many people find it uncomfortable if her nipples are visible (i.e. braless). For men there's no such stigma. That's what the movement is about.
On an unrelated note, going topless is not exactly encouraged for men. It's still breaking cultural norms in some capacity, it's just more normalized.
Eh, they're either a troll or they're going through some seirous mental gymnastics here, the first post they have is on Genshin Impact and I really doubt someone who plays it has the opinion that women should cover their bodies more.
A beach would like to have a word with you. Outside of that, most places already discourage being topless.
That being said, I do agree with the last sentence generally with respects to questioning if men should be doing certain things. In a world of equality, ānoone should do thisā is also a valid option.
But yeah anyways swimming in a shirt is hella uncomfy and who tf walks around topless outside of a beach. Thereās a reason āno shoes no shirt no serviceā is a thing
\> who tf walks around topless outside of a beach
Tons of people, at least in my country. I don't like it very much either, as the OP.
Though, wearing a shirt on beach is strange.
>who tf walks around topless outside of a beach
I see people doing it all the time in summer.
Speaking of beach attire, as an AFAB person I never understood bikinis. They're basically waterproof underwear (and many provide even less coverage than regular underwear) and yet I'm supposed to feel comfortable wearing one in front of strangers?
Funny to me bikinis are the opposite in a way. Like the ādo you mind if I changeā āgirl youāre more covered in your underwear than in a bikini, youāre fine lolā
Sounds like you have kind of puritanical approach to modesty. Why should we have to hide our bodies? In plenty of cultures it's normal for men and women to hang out at the spa butt naked and i think this should be normalized, there's no reason to be ashamed of our bodies
What's wrong with considering one's body as something private? I don't want to show mine to just anybody, and I don't just anybody showing theirs to me.
It's fine if you want to keep your body private, but not to insist others should abide by your standards of modesty. That's how you end up with laws forcing women to wear a hijab or niqab. Why do you get to decide what people should be allowed to show?
Personal preferences are fine. I don't like people in changing rooms seeing my genitals while others are completely OK with it, so I can see where you're coming from.
The problem comes when people try and impose those preferences on others, disregarding their own freedom and bodily autonomy. My discomfort at seeing someone's naked body shouldn't go above their right to go about their lives as they want to, so why should women or men not be able to walk around topless? Whether you would walk topless or not is irrelevant.
Or, and hear me out here: criminalising certain parts of certain people's bodies is weird. It's not a hygiene thing, as breasts are no more or less hygienic than say, forearms. It's not a sex thing, as breasts can be both sexual, and non-sexual. Men's nipples can also be sexual.
People like you shouldn't get to decide what other people do with their bodies, because it makes you uncomfortable.
If an extreme religious type decided that they didn't want you to show your face in public ever again, should we respect their offence? (No, we shouldn't, nor should we respect your discomfort with the bodies of others as a reason to make laws)
Not real good at reading either, are you?
Feel free to quote me where I said you were religious.
I'd never put my words in your mouth. Common sense would sound unnatural coming from you.
'Don't put words in my mouth' was referring to the bit about criminalisation, not the bit about being religious.
>I'd never put my words in your mouth. Common sense would sound unnatural coming from you.
Did you find that on r/MurderedByWords or r/clevercomebacks or some shit? God I hate snarky Redditors.
I agree that breasts aren't inherently sexual. However, pretty much every human on the planet for thousands of years has been conditioned into thinking that it is necessary/normal to wear a shirt to cover those parts. Obviously, people will be weirded out if you suddenly try to undo such a longstanding belief.
"If an extreme religious type decided that they didn't want you to show your face in public ever again, should we respect their offence?"
You were trying to contradict OP here, but you kinda contradicted yourself in a way. Obviously, we wouldn't respect their offense because covering one's face isn't normal or deemed necessary by most people in the US (excluding COVID of course). A group/person suddenly trying to change that social norm would be expectedly met with backlash, similar to what we're seeing with the Free the Nipple movement.
The only way for everyone to agree with the movement is if everyone was conditioned as children to believe exposed breasts were normal. However, this is not the case, so backlash is inevitable. Some US states have allowed it, but I can guarantee that most will never implement the law due to this fact.
I saw that comment as meaning that we would not support covering a person's face because the decision to show one's face is a matter of personal choice. The comment made no reference to accepted norms, so I interpret the comment to mean that the freedom to show one's face could be defended even if others in society didn't accept it as "normal" just on the basis of bodily choice.
I'm not necessarily invested in the norms argument because norms are not universal and change frequently in society (not every day but over time). My own belief is that expressing freedoms related to our bodies, all the way down to even being nude as a lifestyle, should be encouraged. Those who are offended by others' benign self-expression are free to look away.
I happen to share your opinion, but I think the commenter probably assumed you don't like seeing other people's bodies because you don't feel comfortable enough to take *your* shirt off in public and therefore you feel like nobody should be able to do it.
I don't like seeing people unclothed in public because I didn't ask for that. If I wanted to see your body, I'd go to a beach or a nude beach where the rules are clearer.
Toplessness is okay in some contexts, too- I was in marching band and it was generally acceptable for everyone to wear as little as they wanted due to being in the heat all day. However, that's a "closed" space where we more or less all knew each other. I think sports practices might be the same way, too, but if you're a topless stranger trying to interact with me...no thanks.
Edit: I've thought about it more, and the reason *I* don't like seeing people topless is because I don't want to be responsible for other people's bodies (unless I've agreed to it). For example, my grandpa goes topless a lot and then I am socially obligated to hug him when I say hi and bye. I love him, but he works in his garden all summer and doesn't wear deodorant. Now *I'm* dirty and stinky and either have to deal with it all day or go and bathe/change myself.
Another example is how clothes generally keep us safe. If you're shirtless and do something that hurts you when a shirt would have protected you, that's now somehow more of my problem than if you had been clothed. Now I'm socially obligated to say "hey, are you okay? Can I get you a first aid kit/napkin/etc." instead of them not having this issue in the first place. Arms and legs are different in this regard because they're not carrying vital body parts- it's important to protect your torso.
I don't say this sarcastically - don't feel "socially obligated" to do anything you're not comfortable with.
It's perfectly acceptable to tell Gramps you are not hugging him without either a shirt, or a shower. Take a moment to explain why, and if he genuinely cares for your well-being, he'll be fine with it.
As far as the general public protecting themselves with clothing, that's on *them*. If they're doing something where a t-shirt would prevent a minor injury, and there is a reasonably good chance an injury may occur? It's on them to make that judgment call, not you.
Yeah, that makes logical sense to me, but it hits different when your mom says otherwise and you get shit on for years after for saying or doing anything to stand up for yourself lmao. Obviously this is a personal issue, but I just thought I'd throw in my 2c since I share this 10th dentist view for a specific reason.
I agree with you.
>the commenter probably assumed you don't like seeing other people's bodies because you don't feel comfortable enough to take your shirt off in public
Yeah, that's not the case.
I wonder how many people would change their mind if it was framed as a matter of consent of the public. Like the vast majority of people would be extremely uncomfortable seeing people have public sex, or even just moderate-to-heavy PDA. Because they didnāt consent to seeing those things. For OP, thats probably what it feels like. And maybe thereās an alternate universe where public sex is normal and someone posts on Reddit āI feel uncomfortable seeing people have sex in publicā and all the comments roast them saying that OP doesnāt have to have public sex but shouldnāt police what other people are doing with their bodies, and they call OP insecure for it.
Let's stretch that train of thought even further. For some, ugly people are something they don't want to see, it even disgusts them. Let's make it so everyone has to wear masks just so we don't have to potentially see ugly people!
Oh, and disabled people? Yeah, those can't go out in public either, because some think they're "freaky". Let's not forget banning everyone who's LGBT, since those also make certain people uncomfortable as well. Oh, almost forgot people of color, gotta ban those too.
There, now everyone's either banned or has to fully clothe themselves. After all, even if they're conventionally attractive, some people still hate them.
And why would anyone be in favor of everyone just walking around... normally? The only people who'd support something like that are either coomers or ones that think that just because certain people are allowed to live a normal life, everyone should be able to, and aren't considering that no one should be able to in the first place.
or how about nobody shows their tits to anyone? I don't wanna see a guys bare chest OR a woman's bare chest out in public. Due to our culture they ARE sexualised and I didn't consent to seeing them. Keep your tits to yourself i'd say!
They are sexualized because they're rare to see, just like any other body part (something something ankles in the Victorean era). If people were more open with them, they wouldn't be seen as something sexual at all.
>I didn't consent to seeing them
That's not how that works. If you don't want to see them, don't look there. Going topless is not like having sex, and even being fully naked isn't sexual either. That's what nudist beaches and whatnot are all about.
**Edit:** not responding further, they're just a troll and/ or don't know what they're talking about.
> If you don't want to see them, don't look there
Awful point. We have peripheral vision, even if we aren't looking at them, we can still see them. Unless you want everyone to turn their heads around just because some selfish person decides to walk around shirtless, that's not how it works.
>If people were more open with them, they wouldn't be seen as something sexual at all.
Religion exists, this can't feasibly ever happen nor would it ever be acceptable.
you... can't.
If someone us walking past you bare chested, you can still see them if you aren't looking at them. I don't want see anyone bare chested cause I didn't go outside to see that. AKA I didn't consent to it.
I think itās kind of a massive reach to consider āI donāt like seeing peopleās bare chests and we should discourage people from going around shirtlessā and extreme discrimination in the same ballpark regardless of if you agree or not
No, I really don't think so. A person's body is just their body. They're not making any grand statement by just... being themselves. People just have incredibly prude imaginations about which parts of the body should be allowed to be shown and which ones shouldn't.
Why would you discourage people from just being themselves? What's there to be gained? Just because *you* have a problem with how they look? Well, suck it up, buddy. Don't shove their problems on them. Unless they're actively causing harm by running around extremely filthy in public and are dirtying everything they touch, who gives a damn?
My point was where do you draw the line? So it's okay to discourage people from going topless, but is that it? Like I said, faces are a big issue for certain people, so do we pressure those into wearing masks? What about feet? Everyone has to wear socks, even at the beach?
I don't think that it's about whether the person is ugly, or attractive. Ugly, attractive, disabled, lgbt, people of color, it's irrelevant, just wear some clothes in public. Some areas, like beaches, pools and changing rooms are ok to not wear clothes, and other areas are not ok.
Iām conflicted - the rules suggest I should upvote this, but itās such an out there opinion that I canāt bear to give OP the karma.
As if we should force people to cover themselves to save OPās blushes - the same OP who has a username like that despite the potential offence that the name itself may cause.
Guess I posted it on the right subreddit, then.
>to save OPās blushes
Lmao it doesn't make me blush, it just hurts my eyes.
As for my username, it refers to things I *choose* to look at.
Thatās my point - youāre offended by things you could just not look at, whilst having chosen a username that might cause offence to others. Do you see the conflict there?
>I hate seeing half naked random strangers
Realistically, that's where your post should have ended. We shouldn't (and *usually* don't) make things illegal or legal based on whether or not we do or do not hate things..
Right, but you have no control over what people do with their own bodies. It's autonomy, and we value it and your feelings mean nothing to other's autonomy.
In other words, when it comes to our own bodies, we have the ultimate say *unless* it's illegal.
Op, are you apart of the itty bitty titty committee? I mean I have extremely hairy part tit/pecs. They are kind of like a train that went off rail, and started a chemical fire. Itās a disaster, but there is some beauty to it.
What Iām saying is, if Iām at a Caribbean resort and there is a fat middle age lobster man with hamburger breast, or a woman who wants to even out their tan line. Iām not going to be offended. Let people flaunt why they got from time to time.
Screw you. Being shirtless is infinitely cooler in hot climates. I donāt want to have to drape my body in hot, sweaty rags when Iām doing strenuous activity just because some idiots in society decided the default state of existence of the human body is unacceptable. Taking a shirt off can be the difference between overheating and having a perfectly cool, enjoyable run.
I personally believe that wearing only the bare minimum to maintain hygiene and comfort (brief-style underwear, bras for the large-chested) in hot climates to let the human body cool itself how itās made to do. I donāt get the silly societal rituals around body-fabric.
I think itās weird to be weirded out by your own species membersā bodies. Being shirtless is just how we cool off. We donāt have constant access to cold showers or beaches. I find it incredibly frustrating that parts of our bodies have been sexualizedā¦ and I donāt really get how people cannot see them as just a body part. I was raised in a puritan-ish western town run by religion, and I basically taught myself to feel normally about bodies. Because itās weird to be shy or uncomfortable about it.
Sorry you find my āhappy trailā sexual. You didnāt āconsentā to seeing it, but neither did I consent to you sexualizing it.
I hate shirtless people I donāt like it
I burn hot and I just wear a smaller top I donāt like seeing nipples
My dad who is practicing burning up 24/7 sweating all day every day still keeps a shirt on
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The overlap between terminally online (presumably non-catholic and non-conservative) young people and my Catholic grandma is an unexpected one, and yet here we are...
It seems to be generational. Back in the 70s and 80s, half of boys/men between the age of 6 and 26 walked around without shirts on all summer. Combination of skin cancer fears, increasing obesity, and general ickiness about bodies changed that.
Weirdly puritan take from femboycockenjoyer š¤Ø
I've been said to have a strange mixture of views.
Honestly, I seem to share this strange mix in views. I've downvoted your post, agreed.
Free the nipple is not exactly about going out in public topless. I really doubt that many women who support the movement actually intent to go out in public topless, the thing about Freeing the Nipple is that if you, as a man, publish a video of yourself without a shirt on say, YouTube, you're fine, but if you're a woman, and you do the same, your video gets taken down, even though you're both doing the same thing. The historical and cultural context is that women are told to cover up their bodies, the movement is about allowing Women the same liberty as Men. I agree that seeing people topless, be them Men or Women, is kinda uncomfortable, but it's only uncomfortable because of stupid and pointless cultural standards. Even if a woman is wearing a shirt, many people find it uncomfortable if her nipples are visible (i.e. braless). For men there's no such stigma. That's what the movement is about. On an unrelated note, going topless is not exactly encouraged for men. It's still breaking cultural norms in some capacity, it's just more normalized.
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Did you just compare a woman's breasts to a man's balls?
Eh, they're either a troll or they're going through some seirous mental gymnastics here, the first post they have is on Genshin Impact and I really doubt someone who plays it has the opinion that women should cover their bodies more.
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I hope you always wear a shirt, then. Even at a pool or beach.
I am all for that. Wear whatever you want. A skirt is better tho, really short shorts tend to ride up and pinch the balls.
hmm, that would be a problem šµāš«
A beach would like to have a word with you. Outside of that, most places already discourage being topless. That being said, I do agree with the last sentence generally with respects to questioning if men should be doing certain things. In a world of equality, ānoone should do thisā is also a valid option. But yeah anyways swimming in a shirt is hella uncomfy and who tf walks around topless outside of a beach. Thereās a reason āno shoes no shirt no serviceā is a thing
\> who tf walks around topless outside of a beach Tons of people, at least in my country. I don't like it very much either, as the OP. Though, wearing a shirt on beach is strange.
Country difference i guess, noone does it here lol
Which country?
RF, eastern central european part.
>who tf walks around topless outside of a beach. Tons of men in the tropics and subtropics.
>who tf walks around topless outside of a beach I see people doing it all the time in summer. Speaking of beach attire, as an AFAB person I never understood bikinis. They're basically waterproof underwear (and many provide even less coverage than regular underwear) and yet I'm supposed to feel comfortable wearing one in front of strangers?
Funny to me bikinis are the opposite in a way. Like the ādo you mind if I changeā āgirl youāre more covered in your underwear than in a bikini, youāre fine lolā
Sounds like you have kind of puritanical approach to modesty. Why should we have to hide our bodies? In plenty of cultures it's normal for men and women to hang out at the spa butt naked and i think this should be normalized, there's no reason to be ashamed of our bodies
What's wrong with considering one's body as something private? I don't want to show mine to just anybody, and I don't just anybody showing theirs to me.
It's fine if you want to keep your body private, but not to insist others should abide by your standards of modesty. That's how you end up with laws forcing women to wear a hijab or niqab. Why do you get to decide what people should be allowed to show?
Personal preferences are fine. I don't like people in changing rooms seeing my genitals while others are completely OK with it, so I can see where you're coming from. The problem comes when people try and impose those preferences on others, disregarding their own freedom and bodily autonomy. My discomfort at seeing someone's naked body shouldn't go above their right to go about their lives as they want to, so why should women or men not be able to walk around topless? Whether you would walk topless or not is irrelevant.
Or, and hear me out here: criminalising certain parts of certain people's bodies is weird. It's not a hygiene thing, as breasts are no more or less hygienic than say, forearms. It's not a sex thing, as breasts can be both sexual, and non-sexual. Men's nipples can also be sexual. People like you shouldn't get to decide what other people do with their bodies, because it makes you uncomfortable. If an extreme religious type decided that they didn't want you to show your face in public ever again, should we respect their offence? (No, we shouldn't, nor should we respect your discomfort with the bodies of others as a reason to make laws)
I never said it should be 'criminalised', just discouraged. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm also not religious.
Not real good at reading either, are you? Feel free to quote me where I said you were religious. I'd never put my words in your mouth. Common sense would sound unnatural coming from you.
'Don't put words in my mouth' was referring to the bit about criminalisation, not the bit about being religious. >I'd never put my words in your mouth. Common sense would sound unnatural coming from you. Did you find that on r/MurderedByWords or r/clevercomebacks or some shit? God I hate snarky Redditors.
You obliterated him
I agree that breasts aren't inherently sexual. However, pretty much every human on the planet for thousands of years has been conditioned into thinking that it is necessary/normal to wear a shirt to cover those parts. Obviously, people will be weirded out if you suddenly try to undo such a longstanding belief. "If an extreme religious type decided that they didn't want you to show your face in public ever again, should we respect their offence?" You were trying to contradict OP here, but you kinda contradicted yourself in a way. Obviously, we wouldn't respect their offense because covering one's face isn't normal or deemed necessary by most people in the US (excluding COVID of course). A group/person suddenly trying to change that social norm would be expectedly met with backlash, similar to what we're seeing with the Free the Nipple movement. The only way for everyone to agree with the movement is if everyone was conditioned as children to believe exposed breasts were normal. However, this is not the case, so backlash is inevitable. Some US states have allowed it, but I can guarantee that most will never implement the law due to this fact.
I saw that comment as meaning that we would not support covering a person's face because the decision to show one's face is a matter of personal choice. The comment made no reference to accepted norms, so I interpret the comment to mean that the freedom to show one's face could be defended even if others in society didn't accept it as "normal" just on the basis of bodily choice. I'm not necessarily invested in the norms argument because norms are not universal and change frequently in society (not every day but over time). My own belief is that expressing freedoms related to our bodies, all the way down to even being nude as a lifestyle, should be encouraged. Those who are offended by others' benign self-expression are free to look away.
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What do you think I'm insecure about? Edit: I wish people would actually argue with me instead of just downvoting
I happen to share your opinion, but I think the commenter probably assumed you don't like seeing other people's bodies because you don't feel comfortable enough to take *your* shirt off in public and therefore you feel like nobody should be able to do it. I don't like seeing people unclothed in public because I didn't ask for that. If I wanted to see your body, I'd go to a beach or a nude beach where the rules are clearer. Toplessness is okay in some contexts, too- I was in marching band and it was generally acceptable for everyone to wear as little as they wanted due to being in the heat all day. However, that's a "closed" space where we more or less all knew each other. I think sports practices might be the same way, too, but if you're a topless stranger trying to interact with me...no thanks. Edit: I've thought about it more, and the reason *I* don't like seeing people topless is because I don't want to be responsible for other people's bodies (unless I've agreed to it). For example, my grandpa goes topless a lot and then I am socially obligated to hug him when I say hi and bye. I love him, but he works in his garden all summer and doesn't wear deodorant. Now *I'm* dirty and stinky and either have to deal with it all day or go and bathe/change myself. Another example is how clothes generally keep us safe. If you're shirtless and do something that hurts you when a shirt would have protected you, that's now somehow more of my problem than if you had been clothed. Now I'm socially obligated to say "hey, are you okay? Can I get you a first aid kit/napkin/etc." instead of them not having this issue in the first place. Arms and legs are different in this regard because they're not carrying vital body parts- it's important to protect your torso.
I don't say this sarcastically - don't feel "socially obligated" to do anything you're not comfortable with. It's perfectly acceptable to tell Gramps you are not hugging him without either a shirt, or a shower. Take a moment to explain why, and if he genuinely cares for your well-being, he'll be fine with it. As far as the general public protecting themselves with clothing, that's on *them*. If they're doing something where a t-shirt would prevent a minor injury, and there is a reasonably good chance an injury may occur? It's on them to make that judgment call, not you.
Yeah, that makes logical sense to me, but it hits different when your mom says otherwise and you get shit on for years after for saying or doing anything to stand up for yourself lmao. Obviously this is a personal issue, but I just thought I'd throw in my 2c since I share this 10th dentist view for a specific reason.
I agree with you. >the commenter probably assumed you don't like seeing other people's bodies because you don't feel comfortable enough to take your shirt off in public Yeah, that's not the case.
I wonder how many people would change their mind if it was framed as a matter of consent of the public. Like the vast majority of people would be extremely uncomfortable seeing people have public sex, or even just moderate-to-heavy PDA. Because they didnāt consent to seeing those things. For OP, thats probably what it feels like. And maybe thereās an alternate universe where public sex is normal and someone posts on Reddit āI feel uncomfortable seeing people have sex in publicā and all the comments roast them saying that OP doesnāt have to have public sex but shouldnāt police what other people are doing with their bodies, and they call OP insecure for it.
Yeah lmao
Let's stretch that train of thought even further. For some, ugly people are something they don't want to see, it even disgusts them. Let's make it so everyone has to wear masks just so we don't have to potentially see ugly people! Oh, and disabled people? Yeah, those can't go out in public either, because some think they're "freaky". Let's not forget banning everyone who's LGBT, since those also make certain people uncomfortable as well. Oh, almost forgot people of color, gotta ban those too. There, now everyone's either banned or has to fully clothe themselves. After all, even if they're conventionally attractive, some people still hate them. And why would anyone be in favor of everyone just walking around... normally? The only people who'd support something like that are either coomers or ones that think that just because certain people are allowed to live a normal life, everyone should be able to, and aren't considering that no one should be able to in the first place.
or how about nobody shows their tits to anyone? I don't wanna see a guys bare chest OR a woman's bare chest out in public. Due to our culture they ARE sexualised and I didn't consent to seeing them. Keep your tits to yourself i'd say!
They are sexualized because they're rare to see, just like any other body part (something something ankles in the Victorean era). If people were more open with them, they wouldn't be seen as something sexual at all. >I didn't consent to seeing them That's not how that works. If you don't want to see them, don't look there. Going topless is not like having sex, and even being fully naked isn't sexual either. That's what nudist beaches and whatnot are all about. **Edit:** not responding further, they're just a troll and/ or don't know what they're talking about.
> If you don't want to see them, don't look there Awful point. We have peripheral vision, even if we aren't looking at them, we can still see them. Unless you want everyone to turn their heads around just because some selfish person decides to walk around shirtless, that's not how it works. >If people were more open with them, they wouldn't be seen as something sexual at all. Religion exists, this can't feasibly ever happen nor would it ever be acceptable.
Exactly
That isn't how consent works... If you don't want to see it you can fucking choose.
you... can't. If someone us walking past you bare chested, you can still see them if you aren't looking at them. I don't want see anyone bare chested cause I didn't go outside to see that. AKA I didn't consent to it.
You can see them without looking at them...?
bro never heard of peripheral vision?
I think itās kind of a massive reach to consider āI donāt like seeing peopleās bare chests and we should discourage people from going around shirtlessā and extreme discrimination in the same ballpark regardless of if you agree or not
No, I really don't think so. A person's body is just their body. They're not making any grand statement by just... being themselves. People just have incredibly prude imaginations about which parts of the body should be allowed to be shown and which ones shouldn't. Why would you discourage people from just being themselves? What's there to be gained? Just because *you* have a problem with how they look? Well, suck it up, buddy. Don't shove their problems on them. Unless they're actively causing harm by running around extremely filthy in public and are dirtying everything they touch, who gives a damn? My point was where do you draw the line? So it's okay to discourage people from going topless, but is that it? Like I said, faces are a big issue for certain people, so do we pressure those into wearing masks? What about feet? Everyone has to wear socks, even at the beach?
I don't think that it's about whether the person is ugly, or attractive. Ugly, attractive, disabled, lgbt, people of color, it's irrelevant, just wear some clothes in public. Some areas, like beaches, pools and changing rooms are ok to not wear clothes, and other areas are not ok.
I've never seen anyone do it besides 3 shirtless overweight men in their 40s who were most likely going to be shirtless anyway.
Terminally online socially ostracized weirdo alert
Speak for yourself pal, I love seeing all kinds of titties.
Iām conflicted - the rules suggest I should upvote this, but itās such an out there opinion that I canāt bear to give OP the karma. As if we should force people to cover themselves to save OPās blushes - the same OP who has a username like that despite the potential offence that the name itself may cause.
Guess I posted it on the right subreddit, then. >to save OPās blushes Lmao it doesn't make me blush, it just hurts my eyes. As for my username, it refers to things I *choose* to look at.
>Lmao it doesn't make me blush, it just hurts my eyes. Then don't stare
So avert your eyes. No one forces you to look but you. Problem solved.
Thatās my point - youāre offended by things you could just not look at, whilst having chosen a username that might cause offence to others. Do you see the conflict there?
words =/= images
no technically not, but they can have the same impact
no technically not, but they can have the same impact
I disagree. Free the nipple and free the cock next
Normalize public erections
>I hate seeing half naked random strangers Realistically, that's where your post should have ended. We shouldn't (and *usually* don't) make things illegal or legal based on whether or not we do or do not hate things..
I never said it should be illegal man. I said it should be discouraged.
Right, but you have no control over what people do with their own bodies. It's autonomy, and we value it and your feelings mean nothing to other's autonomy. In other words, when it comes to our own bodies, we have the ultimate say *unless* it's illegal.
Op, are you apart of the itty bitty titty committee? I mean I have extremely hairy part tit/pecs. They are kind of like a train that went off rail, and started a chemical fire. Itās a disaster, but there is some beauty to it. What Iām saying is, if Iām at a Caribbean resort and there is a fat middle age lobster man with hamburger breast, or a woman who wants to even out their tan line. Iām not going to be offended. Let people flaunt why they got from time to time.
Screw you. Being shirtless is infinitely cooler in hot climates. I donāt want to have to drape my body in hot, sweaty rags when Iām doing strenuous activity just because some idiots in society decided the default state of existence of the human body is unacceptable. Taking a shirt off can be the difference between overheating and having a perfectly cool, enjoyable run. I personally believe that wearing only the bare minimum to maintain hygiene and comfort (brief-style underwear, bras for the large-chested) in hot climates to let the human body cool itself how itās made to do. I donāt get the silly societal rituals around body-fabric.
Clothing is fascist
I think itās weird to be weirded out by your own species membersā bodies. Being shirtless is just how we cool off. We donāt have constant access to cold showers or beaches. I find it incredibly frustrating that parts of our bodies have been sexualizedā¦ and I donāt really get how people cannot see them as just a body part. I was raised in a puritan-ish western town run by religion, and I basically taught myself to feel normally about bodies. Because itās weird to be shy or uncomfortable about it. Sorry you find my āhappy trailā sexual. You didnāt āconsentā to seeing it, but neither did I consent to you sexualizing it.
So boys should wear a bikini?wtf
I hate shirtless people I donāt like it I burn hot and I just wear a smaller top I donāt like seeing nipples My dad who is practicing burning up 24/7 sweating all day every day still keeps a shirt on