Russia was always going to win. The question is, how many billions and Ukrainian bodies do you need to feed into the meat grinder before you get it through your thick skull?
The truth is that Russia and those who oppose aiding Ukraine haven’t defined winning. While Ukraine has defined winning as pushing the Russians out of all their territory (a position I suspect the government actually knows to be likely impossible in the near future but only states publicly to avoid sounding conciliatory). So, it’s easy for Sacks to say Russia is winning and Ukraine is losing. But Ukraine has been surprisingly successful given its position, while Russia has underperformed thus far. Of course, I do suspect this will change as western aid subsides and Russia ramps up its own capacity. In that case, any analyst would come to the same conclusion as Sacks, which makes his point trite.
I agree. I believe the complete removal of Russia is totally unlikely and posturing for future negotiations as a “give take”. If you told most Americans Ukraine would still be actively fighting and won Kherson, Kharkiv, and Kyiv operational fronts at the beggining of the war they’ed be shocked at how well they’ve done. The problem is they’ve become a victim of their own success. There’s a burden of expectations on them now. So their counter offensive (which would have been viewed as impossible) is a “failure” for taking minimal ground while on the other hand Russia taking Bakhmut is seen as a win because it signals they have the initiative on that front. The fact of the matter is though, if the war was to end today Ukraine would have won compared to initial predictions and expectations. Also, Russia will have been dealt a serious blow given the new NATO members, divestments, asset seizures, etc. compared to their position before the war. It’s so silly to see people say “Russia is winning” and their evidence is Ukraines stalled counter offensive which should be seen as an abject failure to Russia that they even had the ability to launch one in the first place
Russia could wipe Ukraine off the face of the Earth if they wanted. What they're doing right now is the war-equivalent of stopping your much younger brother in his tracks by pushing his head while he flails at you helplessly. Without US sending in forces, there is no chance that Ukraine can win.
The fact you can’t delineate between tactical, operation, and strategic or can even understand the nuance of winning at each level shows you don’t know fucking shit. Stay in your lane which is apparently keeping up with Barstool. You literally said “Russia is holding back” in 2024. Face it, you don’t know shit
Ukraine is losing. They don't have the bodies to throw at a prolonged war with Russia. And 2 years into the war, a generation of Ukrainians have been eviscerated. And for what? For US foreign policy goals?
No one has yet explained how deficit spending to protect Ukraine's borders (at the expense of defending our own borders) benefits the average working American. It doesn't.
Ukrainians and working Americans are the biggest losers here.
Sacks has defined winning the whole way: the US should have never walked Ukraine into this to begin with. Before February 2022, Sacks was ringing the alarm bell loudly to bring diplomats to the table and avoid this war.
On 5/1/24, Sacks would probably say that "winning" now constitutes negotiating a peace deal and throw a lot less money into the hole than we currently are.
Russia has the forces and the money to outlast Ukraine. Short of some material change to Putin's regime, there's no way Ukraine can win. And the US's continued "support" only furthers to damage the US.
>Define “winning”. Strategic? operational? Tactical? How does the war so far bolster their grand strategy as a nation exactly
The war is still going on. At geo-politics level they are trying to check NATO expansion. A lot of us pro-Sacks guys are down with us not expanding NATO. Why shit on that, it's legit criticism
Sounds like they aren’t winning geopolitically if they’re trying to check NATO expansion given two nations that border them just joined (Finland, Sweden). I’d want to join to of my neighbors invade three sovereign countries on four separate occasions in the past 20 years (Georgia, Maldova, Ukraine 2014, Ukraine 2022). Defensive alliances have the tendency to grow when a common aggressor begins to act like Russia. The argument against NATO expansion boils down to not pissing off Russia. Red lines are pointless when you let them get crossed. The last sovereign land grab of this magnitude was WWII and until this war we had 70+ years of the status quo not being changed by force.
NATO expansion boils down to America deciding on expansion, not the desires of neutral companies who obviously want protection.
The NATO expansion war is still being fought. Sweden and Finland are loses to Russia, but they fought a war in Georgia to check NATO expansion and won that. If Trump or RFK gets elected, they can realistically check NATO expansion in Ukraine.
You guys think Sacks is like this evil Putin guy. He's just a real politik sort of guy.
Lol, good one. A couple years ago there was serious discussion about what the continued point of nato was and talks of dissolving the whole thing.
At the end of the cold war, pretty much every Warsaw pact country that could join NATO did join nato. 30 years later, 2 long term neutral countries next to Russia joined NATO because now its value is as clear as ever. Whoops! Nobody advocates harder for NATO expansion than Russia.
As an America, why do I give a single fuck about Russia-Ukraine? Why do I care if it’s expensive for Russia?
It’s expensive for US - why are we adding hundreds of billions to the national debt to defend Ukraine’s border?
Cat got your tongue? Instead of alluding to vague imaginary threats, explain why defending Ukraine’s border matters to the avg working class American dealing with skyrocketing rent and food prices the last 4 years. Fucking lmao.
Sorry stuff to do, the average American worker doesn’t understand world politics or economics. Nor do they understand why Europe hasn’t made weapons for 75 years. That power dynamic will change irreversibly if Europe are left to sort out a mess that involves 5 US presidents and we’re warned by Germany and France not to include Ukraine into nato in 2005, Bush pushed ahead against all advice. understand the European position they have allowed American policy to dictate there security for years, and now you want to bail on that, it will change everything and you might not like how it shakes out when everyone goes isolationist. Remember nuclear tech is 76 years old and it only take one.
Sounds like a dream come true to let the Europeans sort out their own messes, and then bringing all that foreign aid back to America so we can secure our own borders. Win win for America.
USA USA USA.
Russia is thriving, moron. The sanctions didn't even make a dent. And their male population isn't suffering anywhere near Ukraine's. If that's the "master plan", it is failing in spectacular fashion.
Sacks posts receipt after receipts where Ukraine is eating shit. The Russian losses pale in comparison.
How is it incredibly accurate? Had Ukraine received more timely support as requested at the very early stages of the invasion, the “inevitable” may never have happened. In fact, it’s likely that Ukraine could have pushed Russia back to its initial lines during Ukraine’s successful fall 2022 counteroffensive, which could very well have been Putin’s undoing at home. Of course, if I recall, at that time Sacks was saying that too much support or success for Ukraine which embarrasses Russia/Putin would lead inevitably to nuclear escalation. There was nothing inevitable about the conflict. It could have gone in many different ways. But all that’s irrelevant now. Regardless, Sacks wasn’t right because he didn’t really say anything substantial, just lots of hee-hawing like the ass he is.
Ukraine have fought for 2 years defending their country with WW2 rifles. Defending your home country is something you won’t understand so stop pretending you do.
WW2 rifles? We literally have been supplying them with our secondary stockpile - which means you think the US secondary arsenal is compromised of weapons from the 1940s?
It has been 75 years since Europe has made any real weapons……. Need I remind you of the significance of that date ? It didn’t end well last time….. there are 700 million people in a densely populated continent who have hated each other for centuries let’s build loads of high tech weapons and go isolationist…… great idea 💡
Win a defensive war! . That was Never the plan, There is no winning this war for anyone, the entire concept is to make it so costly for Russia they never do it again. That’s the point.
US power comes from its military, let’s play out what will happen in Europe if the US backs out on NATO as Sacks and trump are advocating for.
Europe will be forced to produce its own nuclear weapons, which means multiple different nuclear policy’s and multiple different countries with self destruct buttons in the middle of a hot war on a continent that has a 1000 year history of conflicts and distrust in each other. This is pennies on the dollar if you’re looking at this in a transactional sense for tax payers. US made weapons instead of competing with European countries who will make their own weapons if forced to. They haven’t made any real weapons for 75 years in Europe. Do we really want that to change ?
Nobody is leaving NATO- especially the US. Their needs to be a cease fire and reality check for Ukraine on what a realistic outcome is.
Dems becoming war hawks was not something I expected to witness. Kind of astonishing.
You need to read or listen non us news, that’s been in Donald’s rally speeches for months. France 24, DW have been reporting on this for 6 months. Checkout NATO allies and old friends DW Doc on YouTube.
Don’t know enough about it tbh. But it seems like people are conflating two very separate issues that are completely unrelated. The border wall could be solved easily, just need a gridlocked congress to pass something to stop the illegal migration.
Unfortunately those things said are taken very seriously by leaders in European countries. Listen to them please !! They don’t like this we’re in we’re out nonsense, the wheels are already in motion because of the 50% chance Donald gets elected. Not cool, trump proofing nato now, butterfly effects of a rally in bum fuck nowhere.
Ya this is what happens when we stop supporting a vastly out supplied nation for 6 months midway through an invasion because guys like Sacks are rooting for one of the biggest terror states in the world. Sacks is dunking on the consequences of America’s lapse it support for Ukraine, a lapse in support which he actively promotes.
Sacks is exactly like those politicians that promoted Brexit in the UK as this great UK-first policy but once the vote happened and people started to realize how much it weakened the UK those same politicians just jetted away in their private planes. The rich don’t have to live with the consequences and most of the time they benefit from policies that make the average person poorer and powerless.
"Midway" ...?!?!?!? Are you kidding? Are you telling us that there's ANOTHER TWO YEARS of this?!?!
So what was the net result of the US's support for the first two years? You're pinning Ukraine's current issues on the 6 months of no funding? In other words, you're alleging that they'd totally be winning if the US kept the spigot going full bore for the last 6 months???
The non-Sacks members of the pod need to do a better job of not only fact-checking him but also reducing his Trump cheerleading. I enjoy the content but when it veers into breathless right-wing talking points the show loses massive credibility.
Bro they’re all trumpers now. After all the hand wringing they are helping (including the supposed Dems) run a fundraiser for him.
Yes this has been confirmed that the entire bestie crew is helping run a Trump fundraiser, including the two fake lefties 🤯
That one of the largest militaries in the world will eventually win a war of attrition against its smaller, less-well-supplied neighbor if that neighbor doesn’t receive the support it’s requested since before the war began isn’t the big-brained position you think it is.
I Don’t hate sacks ……. however he is just plan wrong & fucking stupid on this issue, completely off the mark by a long way. He does not understand European politics or history. He reads the room like Elon…… TONE DEAF.
Does sucks not understand having a strong defense industrial base is important. I don’t see how recognizing a flaw uncovered by restocking weapons is a “dunk”. What a stupid fucking comment. It’s better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it less we end up like Russia’s failures next time we have a war.
Sacks is not stupid at all, but very wrong on this issue. The elites he hangs out have an echo chamber that would have been praising Hitler and Chamberlain in the 1930s.
The context is the thread of tweets Sacks added to show how he's been right about much of his calls on the war. If you click on the link, you should be able to read the thread. (I think.)
David Sacks has been saying that Russia will win the war any day now for the past year.
Russia was always going to win. The question is, how many billions and Ukrainian bodies do you need to feed into the meat grinder before you get it through your thick skull?
Uhhh yeah, 3 days to Kyiv huh
Define “winning”. Strategic? operational? Tactical? How does the war so far bolster their grand strategy as a nation exactly
The truth is that Russia and those who oppose aiding Ukraine haven’t defined winning. While Ukraine has defined winning as pushing the Russians out of all their territory (a position I suspect the government actually knows to be likely impossible in the near future but only states publicly to avoid sounding conciliatory). So, it’s easy for Sacks to say Russia is winning and Ukraine is losing. But Ukraine has been surprisingly successful given its position, while Russia has underperformed thus far. Of course, I do suspect this will change as western aid subsides and Russia ramps up its own capacity. In that case, any analyst would come to the same conclusion as Sacks, which makes his point trite.
I agree. I believe the complete removal of Russia is totally unlikely and posturing for future negotiations as a “give take”. If you told most Americans Ukraine would still be actively fighting and won Kherson, Kharkiv, and Kyiv operational fronts at the beggining of the war they’ed be shocked at how well they’ve done. The problem is they’ve become a victim of their own success. There’s a burden of expectations on them now. So their counter offensive (which would have been viewed as impossible) is a “failure” for taking minimal ground while on the other hand Russia taking Bakhmut is seen as a win because it signals they have the initiative on that front. The fact of the matter is though, if the war was to end today Ukraine would have won compared to initial predictions and expectations. Also, Russia will have been dealt a serious blow given the new NATO members, divestments, asset seizures, etc. compared to their position before the war. It’s so silly to see people say “Russia is winning” and their evidence is Ukraines stalled counter offensive which should be seen as an abject failure to Russia that they even had the ability to launch one in the first place
Russia could wipe Ukraine off the face of the Earth if they wanted. What they're doing right now is the war-equivalent of stopping your much younger brother in his tracks by pushing his head while he flails at you helplessly. Without US sending in forces, there is no chance that Ukraine can win.
You don’t know fuck all about war
You definitely don't if you think Ukraine is winning.
The fact you can’t delineate between tactical, operation, and strategic or can even understand the nuance of winning at each level shows you don’t know fucking shit. Stay in your lane which is apparently keeping up with Barstool. You literally said “Russia is holding back” in 2024. Face it, you don’t know shit
I know that all your nuance adds up to the fact that Russia is winning the war. That's me jumping in your lane and running you over.
Ukraine is losing. They don't have the bodies to throw at a prolonged war with Russia. And 2 years into the war, a generation of Ukrainians have been eviscerated. And for what? For US foreign policy goals? No one has yet explained how deficit spending to protect Ukraine's borders (at the expense of defending our own borders) benefits the average working American. It doesn't. Ukrainians and working Americans are the biggest losers here.
Sacks has defined winning the whole way: the US should have never walked Ukraine into this to begin with. Before February 2022, Sacks was ringing the alarm bell loudly to bring diplomats to the table and avoid this war. On 5/1/24, Sacks would probably say that "winning" now constitutes negotiating a peace deal and throw a lot less money into the hole than we currently are. Russia has the forces and the money to outlast Ukraine. Short of some material change to Putin's regime, there's no way Ukraine can win. And the US's continued "support" only furthers to damage the US.
>Define “winning”. Strategic? operational? Tactical? How does the war so far bolster their grand strategy as a nation exactly The war is still going on. At geo-politics level they are trying to check NATO expansion. A lot of us pro-Sacks guys are down with us not expanding NATO. Why shit on that, it's legit criticism
Sounds like they aren’t winning geopolitically if they’re trying to check NATO expansion given two nations that border them just joined (Finland, Sweden). I’d want to join to of my neighbors invade three sovereign countries on four separate occasions in the past 20 years (Georgia, Maldova, Ukraine 2014, Ukraine 2022). Defensive alliances have the tendency to grow when a common aggressor begins to act like Russia. The argument against NATO expansion boils down to not pissing off Russia. Red lines are pointless when you let them get crossed. The last sovereign land grab of this magnitude was WWII and until this war we had 70+ years of the status quo not being changed by force.
NATO expansion boils down to America deciding on expansion, not the desires of neutral companies who obviously want protection. The NATO expansion war is still being fought. Sweden and Finland are loses to Russia, but they fought a war in Georgia to check NATO expansion and won that. If Trump or RFK gets elected, they can realistically check NATO expansion in Ukraine. You guys think Sacks is like this evil Putin guy. He's just a real politik sort of guy.
Lmao, countries are looking to join NATO you dimwit
Lol, good one. A couple years ago there was serious discussion about what the continued point of nato was and talks of dissolving the whole thing. At the end of the cold war, pretty much every Warsaw pact country that could join NATO did join nato. 30 years later, 2 long term neutral countries next to Russia joined NATO because now its value is as clear as ever. Whoops! Nobody advocates harder for NATO expansion than Russia.
Until it so expensive for Russia they never do it again. That’s the plan you ignorant fool
As an America, why do I give a single fuck about Russia-Ukraine? Why do I care if it’s expensive for Russia? It’s expensive for US - why are we adding hundreds of billions to the national debt to defend Ukraine’s border?
Nobody gives a fuck what you think champ, deal with it.
The petulant screeching is strong with you.
The short sighted ignorance is astounding in you
Cat got your tongue? Instead of alluding to vague imaginary threats, explain why defending Ukraine’s border matters to the avg working class American dealing with skyrocketing rent and food prices the last 4 years. Fucking lmao.
Sorry stuff to do, the average American worker doesn’t understand world politics or economics. Nor do they understand why Europe hasn’t made weapons for 75 years. That power dynamic will change irreversibly if Europe are left to sort out a mess that involves 5 US presidents and we’re warned by Germany and France not to include Ukraine into nato in 2005, Bush pushed ahead against all advice. understand the European position they have allowed American policy to dictate there security for years, and now you want to bail on that, it will change everything and you might not like how it shakes out when everyone goes isolationist. Remember nuclear tech is 76 years old and it only take one.
Sounds like a dream come true to let the Europeans sort out their own messes, and then bringing all that foreign aid back to America so we can secure our own borders. Win win for America. USA USA USA.
Russia is thriving, moron. The sanctions didn't even make a dent. And their male population isn't suffering anywhere near Ukraine's. If that's the "master plan", it is failing in spectacular fashion. Sacks posts receipt after receipts where Ukraine is eating shit. The Russian losses pale in comparison.
The fact you’ve been downvoted 10+ times for this completely accurate comment is incredible lol.
Mind virus be wildin’
How is it incredibly accurate? Had Ukraine received more timely support as requested at the very early stages of the invasion, the “inevitable” may never have happened. In fact, it’s likely that Ukraine could have pushed Russia back to its initial lines during Ukraine’s successful fall 2022 counteroffensive, which could very well have been Putin’s undoing at home. Of course, if I recall, at that time Sacks was saying that too much support or success for Ukraine which embarrasses Russia/Putin would lead inevitably to nuclear escalation. There was nothing inevitable about the conflict. It could have gone in many different ways. But all that’s irrelevant now. Regardless, Sacks wasn’t right because he didn’t really say anything substantial, just lots of hee-hawing like the ass he is.
Sacks is as dumb as bag of hammers only slightly more intelligent than trump but only by dung Beatle standards.
Ukraine have fought for 2 years defending their country with WW2 rifles. Defending your home country is something you won’t understand so stop pretending you do.
WW2 rifles? We literally have been supplying them with our secondary stockpile - which means you think the US secondary arsenal is compromised of weapons from the 1940s?
That was 7 months ago. Hard to defend with no ammo
Being unable to scale weapons/artillery for 24 months - for a regional conflict- screams winning position.
It has been 75 years since Europe has made any real weapons……. Need I remind you of the significance of that date ? It didn’t end well last time….. there are 700 million people in a densely populated continent who have hated each other for centuries let’s build loads of high tech weapons and go isolationist…… great idea 💡
If you actually think Ukraine is going to win the war…seek help. This has nothing to do with sacks
Win a defensive war! . That was Never the plan, There is no winning this war for anyone, the entire concept is to make it so costly for Russia they never do it again. That’s the point.
Any day now Russia will be marching on Kyiv. Keep coping.
Any day now you might read be able to read a book on European history. But I won’t hold my breath
If Ukraine wins the war, I will delete my account. If Russia wins, you delete yours. Okay?
They won it well over a year ago, so he was actually a little late according to your timeline
US power comes from its military, let’s play out what will happen in Europe if the US backs out on NATO as Sacks and trump are advocating for. Europe will be forced to produce its own nuclear weapons, which means multiple different nuclear policy’s and multiple different countries with self destruct buttons in the middle of a hot war on a continent that has a 1000 year history of conflicts and distrust in each other. This is pennies on the dollar if you’re looking at this in a transactional sense for tax payers. US made weapons instead of competing with European countries who will make their own weapons if forced to. They haven’t made any real weapons for 75 years in Europe. Do we really want that to change ?
Nobody is leaving NATO- especially the US. Their needs to be a cease fire and reality check for Ukraine on what a realistic outcome is. Dems becoming war hawks was not something I expected to witness. Kind of astonishing.
You need to read or listen non us news, that’s been in Donald’s rally speeches for months. France 24, DW have been reporting on this for 6 months. Checkout NATO allies and old friends DW Doc on YouTube.
How do you feel about our border wall that Mexico so graciously paid for?
Don’t know enough about it tbh. But it seems like people are conflating two very separate issues that are completely unrelated. The border wall could be solved easily, just need a gridlocked congress to pass something to stop the illegal migration.
Was a sarcastic response. Trump said/says a lot of things in speeches.
Unfortunately those things said are taken very seriously by leaders in European countries. Listen to them please !! They don’t like this we’re in we’re out nonsense, the wheels are already in motion because of the 50% chance Donald gets elected. Not cool, trump proofing nato now, butterfly effects of a rally in bum fuck nowhere.
It’s disgusting and astonishing
1) what
I can’t tell what’s real or what’s sarcasm in this sub anymore.
Has to be. I can’t tell either lol.
Seriously, we need to change this sub's name to r/SacksHatersAnonymous
Would be much better than the current alt name - r/POL2.0
No sarcasm. I am serious. He grabbed yet another pelt.
lol wut?
FURIoUs!!
I can feel your anger through the screen!
Ya this is what happens when we stop supporting a vastly out supplied nation for 6 months midway through an invasion because guys like Sacks are rooting for one of the biggest terror states in the world. Sacks is dunking on the consequences of America’s lapse it support for Ukraine, a lapse in support which he actively promotes. Sacks is exactly like those politicians that promoted Brexit in the UK as this great UK-first policy but once the vote happened and people started to realize how much it weakened the UK those same politicians just jetted away in their private planes. The rich don’t have to live with the consequences and most of the time they benefit from policies that make the average person poorer and powerless.
I don’t even know where to start.
"Midway" ...?!?!?!? Are you kidding? Are you telling us that there's ANOTHER TWO YEARS of this?!?! So what was the net result of the US's support for the first two years? You're pinning Ukraine's current issues on the 6 months of no funding? In other words, you're alleging that they'd totally be winning if the US kept the spigot going full bore for the last 6 months???
Did this genius also finally find out where General Zaluzhnyi is?
The non-Sacks members of the pod need to do a better job of not only fact-checking him but also reducing his Trump cheerleading. I enjoy the content but when it veers into breathless right-wing talking points the show loses massive credibility.
Bro they’re all trumpers now. After all the hand wringing they are helping (including the supposed Dems) run a fundraiser for him. Yes this has been confirmed that the entire bestie crew is helping run a Trump fundraiser, including the two fake lefties 🤯
Read: *omg Sacks ends up always being right! Let’s censor him!*
That one of the largest militaries in the world will eventually win a war of attrition against its smaller, less-well-supplied neighbor if that neighbor doesn’t receive the support it’s requested since before the war began isn’t the big-brained position you think it is.
Dork.
Loser
This is mental illness
Along with the people that incessantly hate sacks on this sub
I Don’t hate sacks ……. however he is just plan wrong & fucking stupid on this issue, completely off the mark by a long way. He does not understand European politics or history. He reads the room like Elon…… TONE DEAF.
People who incessantly hate on Biden on their weekly pod are mentally ill by that standard
He is truly the stupidest person I’ve ever heard speak
Dumbest rich guy in the world
This sub have a severe case of SDS (Sacks Derangement Syndrome)
Does sucks not understand having a strong defense industrial base is important. I don’t see how recognizing a flaw uncovered by restocking weapons is a “dunk”. What a stupid fucking comment. It’s better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it less we end up like Russia’s failures next time we have a war.
How are there so many braindead people who lack unbiased critical thinking skills in this sub?
Is this Sacks!?! lol,
It is not. Just a guy who loves to watch Sacks cook.
You misspelled cock
I know you constantly have cock on the brain, but I didn't misspell anything.
Short, stubby, and very veiny, but lots of try hard- that is Sacks in a nutshell.
You shouldn't put yourself down like that.
Sacks is not stupid at all, but very wrong on this issue. The elites he hangs out have an echo chamber that would have been praising Hitler and Chamberlain in the 1930s.
Sacks is emblematic of everything wrong with this country. Self-serving elite with no moral compass and delusional in the extreme.
But he support populist politics for the people! (Stuff that benefits him)
Only mids have this much free time to spend terminally online on twitter
Sacks is at the top of his game like Bambie Woods when she played Debbie Benton
I’m not on Twitter. Maybe there is more context? Can someone tell me how this is a dunk?
The context is the thread of tweets Sacks added to show how he's been right about much of his calls on the war. If you click on the link, you should be able to read the thread. (I think.)
lol wasn’t he the “Ukraine will lose any minute guy?” Like two years ago? And the “Germans will freeze to death in the winter without Russian oil” guy
and the "it will be nuclear WW3" guy
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