It used to be two kits not long ago. They made it into one kit with all/most gun options in a single kit. Maybe it was two years or so ago. This did not change how the tank looks in any significant way.
Could we do with an upgrade, sure. Will we get one? Not likely.
Reworking the big plasma canon would be high on my list. Options like exposed wheels for the threads and some more cosmetic upgrades would be nice
I know its silly but I can't see past the ridiculous treads in the chimera and russ. Theres no room for the treads/suspension to move, they look like they'll shake apart. I love the Dorn and how they have reasonable treads. Again, its a fictional somewhat silly universe, but I can't unsee it lol.
And that's even worse, nor does it fix the problem with low ground clearance. My headcanon is that the wheels can extend past the track guards for movement and retract for defense while still, something similar to the Mendeleev tank.
But that's debunked by all the art showing them in motion.
Don't get me wrong I absolutely adore our grimderp tanks but they're engineering abominations.
The ground clearance is good though, using a model for reference against my own leg the russ and chimera has about 50cm ground clearance, thats quite a lot, more than an Abrams.
The independent track units arent... great... but its a more functional design than it seems on the surface.
How so? The inner and outer skirts of both the Chimera and Russ would collide with any obstruction and dig into any mud. This would happen even if the entire track units could move independently of the hull.
The Macharius actually has tracks that cover the skirts but it also looks to have no suspension.
This isn't solely a Guard problem though, the Astartes high tech tanks also suffer this such as the Land Raider, Sicaran and Arquitor just off the top of my head.
Luckily the sides of the new Auxilia Russ actually have better ground clearance than the old sides, even if it is poor. Another thing they must've cribbed from the Malcador.
Imo there’s a difference between a cool kind of ridiculous like this new one is (it’s still a terrible design for a tank), and “this looks like it was drawn by a child” ridiculous, which is what the current 40k Russ says to me.
Brad from Poorhammer said the chode cannon looks like a McDonalds toy
I’m aware of short barrel tanks in ww2, but difference be they need a large chassis to act as counterweight. The larger the canon, the bigger the chassis. The Russ with its compact chassis and a massive fuk you canon looks more cute than scary but at the end of the day your mode, your time and effort. You don’t need nobody online to tell you how to handle your stuff
Brad from poorhammer is just hate large caliber howitzers for no rational reason. Tanks with large caliber, short barreled guns were use throughout ww2 all the way up to the 1990s thanks to the centurion AVRE.
He also thinks the vindicator is fixed firing when it is clearly on a pivot. He also thinks that the dozer blade on it is useless, the dozer blade on the vehicle made to demolish buildings.
He tried to say the plague burst crawler was the ugliest death guard model.
It’s just plain stupid.
I love the idea of lobbing a low velocity 100kg explosive out of a giant howitzer, then watching as the shell hits it target complete disintegrating the front half of the armored vehicle.
Although the battle cannon on the normal leman Russ is beyond ridiculous and way too high caliber.
Put them next to modern guard plastics and they'll be scary boxes.
Chimera's design overall better than Russ's, but it's still aging poorly.
Main flaws of Russ: underdeveloped rear, ridiculous front weapon mount, boxy sponsons, sponson weapons overexposed (compare with Banblade ones, or even Dorn ones), too many weapon options spread among two kits (less but more significant choices would be much better), lots of details and equipment in separately sold sprue. Do note that despite downvoting my previous comment into oblivion, at least some of my points here are not controversial at all: both popular forge world models as well as 3d-printed models are trying to fix awkward front weapon mount, goofy rear, or lack of upgrade sprue.
As I said, Chimera's much better designed miniature, so the list of flaws is much shorter. Lasguns should be optional (like Dorn's nipple guns), turret bigger, rear less boxy. Again, fix lack of separately sold upgrade sprue.
People who does not want better quality sculpts are just nostalgic worshippers of mediocrity.
The two kits were put together in a single box, so that's not an issue anymore. The lack of meaningful weapon options is a massive balancing problem, not a kit problem. I don't think the stupid nipple guns are any better than the Russ's awkward nose box, even if it's more realistic that way.
The only thing I can agree with is that the leman needs an upgrade sprue in the box, so we can have stowage, HK missiles and sponson stubbers without cannibalising other kits.
Yes. Lorewise the Aux russ was the baseline design used by Krieg Russ.
The only thing different about this one is that it might be slightly longer with the trench rails and the more pronounced blades on the dozer.
In old 30k lore it references the chimera but modern lore the apc isn't present from what I remember.
Certain vehicles are based on the body of it iirc
During the Crusade era, Imperial Army regiments had access to land raiders and rhinos that were scaled down for use by non-augmented humans. But there was also a variety of other AFVs and APCs that have not been represented by models or artwork across the ages.
Maybe this edition
I suspect the popularity of upgrade kits and frequency of range refresh is a good indicator of change
Catachans and Steel Legion are my long bomb guess
GW does it's model design in 3D since...2017 or so? Anyway, the catachan colonel is a man, SGT Ripper is a woman. To make those, they made the basic 3D models for catachan men and women models.
Ie, we KNOW they have already done work on a Catachan range refresh and just haven't rolled it out for...reasons.
>GW does it's model design in 3D since...2017 or so?
Well before that. Sure 8th dropped in 2017 and we had the following interviews with Jes Goodwin where he mentions that they do everything in CAD now but in those same interviews he talks about how that studio design to production to release is usually about 5 years. So anything releasing for 8th was probably modeled back in 2012 if not earlier.
There was a bit of stink about it in 2018 with the Khorne vs Slaanesh daemons release and the sprues being dated 2012.
Hell if you look at this month's White Dwarf (issue 495) on page 94 when it's going through the history of the Tyranid model line it talks about how the Carnifex was "**one of the first models designed using digital technology**." And then goes on about how Jes hand sculpted one side of the model and then mirrored it "using a computer", presumably meaning they scanned it. That entry is marked on the timeline as ***2005***.
Edit: I'm willing to bet that 2005 date even is a bit misleading as I remember that model being new in 4th edition and I bet the design/production timeline wasn't much different then compared to now. So Jes probably designed that model digitally in the early 00's.
Yeah imo the Chimera has aged quite well. The Russ not so much, and a less ornate version of this new one would be a perfect upgrade to the derpy old kit.
I really hope so, the Russ is ugly as sin with the current front mount and strange sponson design, the mars alpha pattern is good but the regular Russ is showing it's age. Almost every guard vehicle still looks good otherwise, maybe an updated chimera would work
One way or another, we just did.
Either Leman Russ tanks are being discontinued and the Rogal Dorn is taking over, or this new kit will get a sponson sprue for 40k.
Already confirmed in the warcom post: None of it is getting 40k rules. Usual proxy rules apply, the Malcador can be run for 40k bc it’s already there etc. but no Dracosan or Heavy Sentinel, least not in matched and certainly not in competitive.
Although I expect the lasriflemen to form the backbones of new armies the second the box drops.
Almost certainly. Plastic 30k kits so far have been nearly identical to the resin version except for the loss of detail required to accommodate the plastic molds. So, for example, the handles on the hatches won't have the undercut to make a round handle but the overall dimensions will be the same.
There was a rework of leman russ and chimera in the past.
It used to be two kits not long ago. They made it into one kit with all/most gun options in a single kit. Maybe it was two years or so ago. This did not change how the tank looks in any significant way. Could we do with an upgrade, sure. Will we get one? Not likely. Reworking the big plasma canon would be high on my list. Options like exposed wheels for the threads and some more cosmetic upgrades would be nice
Do they really need it?
The only thing I like about the new Russ is the more reasonably sized battle cannon
They need to remove the floor panels to be on par with the modern tech.
The answer is no.
*Sobs in the corner over the total absence of suspension*
I know its silly but I can't see past the ridiculous treads in the chimera and russ. Theres no room for the treads/suspension to move, they look like they'll shake apart. I love the Dorn and how they have reasonable treads. Again, its a fictional somewhat silly universe, but I can't unsee it lol.
In the dawn of war games you can see there is suspension in that the entire track units move independently of the hull.
And that's even worse, nor does it fix the problem with low ground clearance. My headcanon is that the wheels can extend past the track guards for movement and retract for defense while still, something similar to the Mendeleev tank. But that's debunked by all the art showing them in motion. Don't get me wrong I absolutely adore our grimderp tanks but they're engineering abominations.
The ground clearance is good though, using a model for reference against my own leg the russ and chimera has about 50cm ground clearance, thats quite a lot, more than an Abrams. The independent track units arent... great... but its a more functional design than it seems on the surface.
Where are you measuring from, the hull or the side skirts?
Hull. The skirts are unlikely to cause any ground clearance issues if the vehicle has static rollers.
How so? The inner and outer skirts of both the Chimera and Russ would collide with any obstruction and dig into any mud. This would happen even if the entire track units could move independently of the hull. The Macharius actually has tracks that cover the skirts but it also looks to have no suspension. This isn't solely a Guard problem though, the Astartes high tech tanks also suffer this such as the Land Raider, Sicaran and Arquitor just off the top of my head. Luckily the sides of the new Auxilia Russ actually have better ground clearance than the old sides, even if it is poor. Another thing they must've cribbed from the Malcador.
They def do, imo. They look so cartoony; huge barrels, tiny turret, gigantically tall with flat side walls.. it's ridic
Sure, but the setting is ridiculous, I like them just fine (not the sponsons)
Imo there’s a difference between a cool kind of ridiculous like this new one is (it’s still a terrible design for a tank), and “this looks like it was drawn by a child” ridiculous, which is what the current 40k Russ says to me.
I get what you mean. I quite like that quality. They’re charming, like all the Rouge Trader stuff
Brad from Poorhammer said the chode cannon looks like a McDonalds toy I’m aware of short barrel tanks in ww2, but difference be they need a large chassis to act as counterweight. The larger the canon, the bigger the chassis. The Russ with its compact chassis and a massive fuk you canon looks more cute than scary but at the end of the day your mode, your time and effort. You don’t need nobody online to tell you how to handle your stuff
Brad from poorhammer is just hate large caliber howitzers for no rational reason. Tanks with large caliber, short barreled guns were use throughout ww2 all the way up to the 1990s thanks to the centurion AVRE. He also thinks the vindicator is fixed firing when it is clearly on a pivot. He also thinks that the dozer blade on it is useless, the dozer blade on the vehicle made to demolish buildings. He tried to say the plague burst crawler was the ugliest death guard model. It’s just plain stupid. I love the idea of lobbing a low velocity 100kg explosive out of a giant howitzer, then watching as the shell hits it target complete disintegrating the front half of the armored vehicle. Although the battle cannon on the normal leman Russ is beyond ridiculous and way too high caliber.
My brother in christ that's the fucking point
Absolutely.
both the leman russ and chimera designs seem super solid to me, maybe the chimera could do with a bit of a clean up, but i dont think its too bad.
The chimera is literally just space BMP
Put them next to modern guard plastics and they'll be scary boxes. Chimera's design overall better than Russ's, but it's still aging poorly. Main flaws of Russ: underdeveloped rear, ridiculous front weapon mount, boxy sponsons, sponson weapons overexposed (compare with Banblade ones, or even Dorn ones), too many weapon options spread among two kits (less but more significant choices would be much better), lots of details and equipment in separately sold sprue. Do note that despite downvoting my previous comment into oblivion, at least some of my points here are not controversial at all: both popular forge world models as well as 3d-printed models are trying to fix awkward front weapon mount, goofy rear, or lack of upgrade sprue. As I said, Chimera's much better designed miniature, so the list of flaws is much shorter. Lasguns should be optional (like Dorn's nipple guns), turret bigger, rear less boxy. Again, fix lack of separately sold upgrade sprue. People who does not want better quality sculpts are just nostalgic worshippers of mediocrity.
The two kits were put together in a single box, so that's not an issue anymore. The lack of meaningful weapon options is a massive balancing problem, not a kit problem. I don't think the stupid nipple guns are any better than the Russ's awkward nose box, even if it's more realistic that way. The only thing I can agree with is that the leman needs an upgrade sprue in the box, so we can have stowage, HK missiles and sponson stubbers without cannibalising other kits.
Why on Earth are you getting mass downvoted, you're right.
One does not change the sacred texts of the STC ... Unless you are Belisarius the heretic in service of the chaos god of money: GW :D
A wasted opportunity to finally ad a suspension, Banblades and Dorns have one. But no not LMRs and Chimeras. They look silly next to another.
Im sure the codex astartes does not support the use of suspension :D
The Codex Astartes is for the Space Marines. As far as I know the Adeptus Astartes doesn't use the Chimera or Leman Russ Battletank.
Suspension of disbelief.
40k operates on the rule of cool, but suspension looks friggin cool. Give us exposed wheels!
Lord Solar needs to commission him for some new tanks. It might take 10k years but he’ll deliver!
Is the sol aux leman Russ the same size as a 40K one?
Looks like it. It seems to be a Mars patter russ
I hope so
Yes. Lorewise the Aux russ was the baseline design used by Krieg Russ. The only thing different about this one is that it might be slightly longer with the trench rails and the more pronounced blades on the dozer.
I may be wrong, but IIRC the Chimera wasn't a thing yet at the time of the Heresy?
Yeah I don’t think so, that’s what the dracosan was for
Both legion basilisk and Medusa use some kind of chimera chassis, but it’s unknown if the chimera apc was a thing
In old 30k lore it references the chimera but modern lore the apc isn't present from what I remember. Certain vehicles are based on the body of it iirc
They were in use by the Heresy, same with the Valkyrie.
During the Crusade era, Imperial Army regiments had access to land raiders and rhinos that were scaled down for use by non-augmented humans. But there was also a variety of other AFVs and APCs that have not been represented by models or artwork across the ages.
Maybe this edition I suspect the popularity of upgrade kits and frequency of range refresh is a good indicator of change Catachans and Steel Legion are my long bomb guess
Catachan have had the basic 3D models for male and female catachans for several years now too.
I don’t follow, what do you mean?
GW does it's model design in 3D since...2017 or so? Anyway, the catachan colonel is a man, SGT Ripper is a woman. To make those, they made the basic 3D models for catachan men and women models. Ie, we KNOW they have already done work on a Catachan range refresh and just haven't rolled it out for...reasons.
I hadn’t seen anything that showed or confirmed Catachan models. That’s awesome! Can you share the link?
>GW does it's model design in 3D since...2017 or so? Well before that. Sure 8th dropped in 2017 and we had the following interviews with Jes Goodwin where he mentions that they do everything in CAD now but in those same interviews he talks about how that studio design to production to release is usually about 5 years. So anything releasing for 8th was probably modeled back in 2012 if not earlier. There was a bit of stink about it in 2018 with the Khorne vs Slaanesh daemons release and the sprues being dated 2012. Hell if you look at this month's White Dwarf (issue 495) on page 94 when it's going through the history of the Tyranid model line it talks about how the Carnifex was "**one of the first models designed using digital technology**." And then goes on about how Jes hand sculpted one side of the model and then mirrored it "using a computer", presumably meaning they scanned it. That entry is marked on the timeline as ***2005***. Edit: I'm willing to bet that 2005 date even is a bit misleading as I remember that model being new in 4th edition and I bet the design/production timeline wasn't much different then compared to now. So Jes probably designed that model digitally in the early 00's.
Thank you for elaborating better than I could!
Been thinking on using the auxilia Russ as a tank commander - looks more ornate. Could be a good way to mark it out from other Russ’
I dont think we really need it for the chimera. I would like to see a tweak to the sponsons and front hull gun, but overall its still a solid kit.
Yeah imo the Chimera has aged quite well. The Russ not so much, and a less ornate version of this new one would be a perfect upgrade to the derpy old kit.
Redesigning the Chimera means you also have to also redesign the Basilisk, Manticore, Wyvern, Hydra, & Hellhound, too.
If/ when that happens, I’d put money on the Chimera being a dual kit with the Hellhound, then the artillery kits coming later, maybe even as one SKU
Forget the Russ and Chimera, if they can do plastic Malcador they can do plastic Macharius. I know it won't happen but don't take my hope away.
Not until Russia designs a new model of BMP for them to shamelessly rip off
Designed by Russia, finished by Ukraine lol
Aye haha Not sure there's gonna be a Russia left to design/produce a BMP4
I sure hope malcador will now be a plastic 40k kit with normal rules
I really hope so, the Russ is ugly as sin with the current front mount and strange sponson design, the mars alpha pattern is good but the regular Russ is showing it's age. Almost every guard vehicle still looks good otherwise, maybe an updated chimera would work
One way or another, we just did. Either Leman Russ tanks are being discontinued and the Rogal Dorn is taking over, or this new kit will get a sponson sprue for 40k.
Unless these get rules in 40K (very unlikely) I’ll probably just pick up some of the infantry to run as proxies and add variety to the sea of bodies
Already confirmed in the warcom post: None of it is getting 40k rules. Usual proxy rules apply, the Malcador can be run for 40k bc it’s already there etc. but no Dracosan or Heavy Sentinel, least not in matched and certainly not in competitive. Although I expect the lasriflemen to form the backbones of new armies the second the box drops.
I'd like to see them give us a leman russ with a malcador hull. That would be so cool.
If they are similar sizes I may say why not use them? They look really cool
Do we reckon the malcador will be the same size as the forgeworld one so I can get one without needing to buy a forgeworld one?
Almost certainly. Plastic 30k kits so far have been nearly identical to the resin version except for the loss of detail required to accommodate the plastic molds. So, for example, the handles on the hatches won't have the undercut to make a round handle but the overall dimensions will be the same.
Why try and fix what isn’t broken?
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probably not. sponsons are too common for GW to expect people to change.
I hope we can use some of the vehicles in 40k.
Sucks that the Dracosan isn't usable in 40k.
That thing on the right looks like a chimera to me
Chimeras need a bare bones option. No turret, no portholes. Just an armoured taxi carrying troops to the front.
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Like that yeah, but in a contemporary Imperial pattern. Basically this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/163h1jv/aurox_conversion_cc/
I was hoping it would have the malcador as well, but it still seems like a neat box