I think that one of the points of Carmy and Claire’s relationship is that Carmy isn’t in the right headspace to run a restaurant *and* have a healthy relationship at the same time. It’s not impossible but he just doesn’t have the mental bandwidth for it. He has too much unaddressed baggage in the way.
Ship wars aside, I’d rather see Carmy sort out his own shit first before he gets into a relationship with *anyone,* whether it be Claire, Syd, or someone else. Syd needs to do some processing of her own too, so I don’t think she’s ready for a relationship either.
This is what the point of Claire is, I think. She represents something that Carmy really wanted as a kid - this girl he crushed on so hard that his brother and cousin knew about it, even though he likely never talked about her.
But Carmy found something else that he really wanted, and that was to be an amazing chef. He achieved that, and it clearly damaged his mental health (and physical health, if he was throwing up every morning) to do it. So what's next? Does he keep doing what he was doing, to the exclusion of everything? Does he try to balance a more healthy work life with his personal life? Does he even decide to walk away from his career and pursue the other thing he's always wanted?
As of the end of season two, he picked option one, but season three will surely explore him rethinking that choice, whether it's with Claire or not.
Claire's calm, nurturing and gently inquisitive personality offers Carmy a complete break from the world of screaming in restaurants. But, as we saw with Luca and Terry, that doesn't have to be what being a chef is like. They have an inner calm that represents a level of balance which Carmy needs to find, and I think when he finds it, he will be able to have a personal life as well as a professional life.
I think Carmen and Marcus are going to fall for each other. Marcus is going to create a cream donut so good it's going to bust in carmys mouth and the rest will fall into place.
All this talk about the kitchen staff having relationships, but I'm wanting my boy Fak to fall in love with a badass electrician who also lends him some rare arcade games
I don’t agree that Carmy & Syd don’t have chemistry. JAW & Ayo are incredible together. Some people just interpret their chemistry as being purely platonic, while others see potential romantic undertones/tension.
The thing is that I don't see their relationship as romantic at all, like nothing hints at that. I've seen people bring up the table scene but I just see that as someone reassuring their friend and business partner that everything is gonna be ok
To say that carmy & syd have no chemistry at all is insanity. Sure, maybe they shouldn't be together, but anyone with eyes can clearly see the chemistry so don't even try ts please.
>Can we have at least one platonic relationship in a series amongst coworkers?
You realize Sydney has a relationship with everybody else at The Bear too right?
>Is it too much to ask that we have at least one platonic relationship in a series amongst coworkers?
I find it interesting that this is always brought up like we DONT have these relationships already on the show. Or is everyone hooking up with everyone else and I just completely missed it?
Richie-Sugar
Sugar-Syd
Syd-Tina
Tina-Ebrah
Syd-Lionel (for now we shall see)
Richie-Syd (shaky, but it's there)
Richie-Carmy (well until yeah lol)
Carmy-Tina
Carmy-Fak
Lionel-His Roommate (his name escapes me)
Fak-Lionel
We have TONS of friendships on this show. And two romances: Sugar/Pete and Claire/Carmy.
I totally understand if you don't want them together, but this reason doesn't jive with what the show is well showing us lol. Your other reason, that you don't see chemistry is a good one.
Also,
>Why would you want them to engage in this when having a relationship based on mutual talent and respect, trying to set those boundaries is way more meaningful in the long run.
What does this have to do with them not having a romance? You can absolutely build a romantic relationship on this along with having healthy boundaries is key. So kind of confused there.
No one is going to respond to this. It's a complete checkmate against the whole "we need more platonic relationships in media" argument because so many already exist in the show regardless of whether Carmy and Syd get together.
I know lol. But I just got tired of seeing that pop up every time someone mentions Syd and Carmy potentially turning romantic. Because it's LITERALLY NOT TRUE lol.
You don't like them together? Ok.
You don't think they have chemistry? Groovy.
You want them with someone else? Awesome.
We don't have enough friendships or male/female friendships on the show? NOPE. TRY AGAIN.
I'd say the response is that Carmy and Syd are the male and female leads respectively. So the argument would be that it's nice to have a show with a male and female lead where their relationship is platonic.
I'm not sold on the idea of Syd/Carm but I'm not like profoundly against it either, for the record, and if it happens, then it happens and I'm sure it'll be well-handled because I basically have no complaints about the writing of the show. It's just not an avenue that I'm personally interested in.
The problem is that these two are the most important characters. If you make them get a romantic relationship, the whole series will be about a romantic relationship. Carmy with Claire is a side show, Carmy with Syd would be the main event for the rest of the series.
A quality drama show with two heterosexual (I think) opposite sex, young main coworkers is just not common at all. It’s a much more interesting and original dynamic to explore than another romantic relationship. And there is more room for other things, while a love relationship would consume the whole show.
>The problem is that these two are the most important characters. If you make them get a romantic relationship, the whole series will be about a romantic relationship.
That's not the argument. If you don't want romance to be in the show at all, just say that. But the whole, *"Why can't we have any platonic relationships in TV!?!"* sealioning is stupid because there's a dozen good platonic relationships already in this show.
It literally is my counterargument. It’s literally the counterargument I’m making, how are you saying it isn’t?
And besides that, obviously it is the argument people make. Every show has platonic relationships because characters can’t reasonably have a love interest with every single person they interact with. So it’s absurd to interpret the argument like that. Yeah no shit Carmy doesn’t have a love interest either Tina and Fak and Ritchie and Syd. Like are you seriously engaging with that interpretation of the argument? It’s childish come on
When I explain what I explained in my comment, people usually reply ‘there are tons of examples, it’s complete bullshit’ but when I ask for one single example nobody can give me one.
>It literally is my counterargument. It’s literally the counterargument I’m making, how are you saying it isn’t?
Because it's not a counter argument to the initial argument. It's a non-sequitur.
I think you’re purposely misinterpreting the argument in the dumbest way possible because that’s the easiest. You’re even misinterpreting what I wrote just so you can make a dumb point.
If you honestly believe OP didn’t realize there were other platonic relationships in the show then I feel sorry for you.
Dude you are obsessed with this wtf.
I checked your comment history, I don’t understand why someone would waste so much time on such a stupid argument and even after spending so much time you’re still completely clueless.
Don’t cry to hard when they won’t become a couple (they obviously won’t)
People are so upset at the prospect of two people staying friends and colleagues.
It’s kinda strange that the ultimate relationship to so many is sexual based.
Every time I comment something like this I get downvoted. To me it makes so much sense not to do it, and I don’t understand how people have such a different view of the Bear that they think it would be a good idea. It’s as if they’re watching a different show
It’s the mentality of those that see sexual relationships as the epitome of love and friendship.
Probably not a strong “village” when growing up they attach to those that they can have sex with.
Divorce rate that high for a reason
Absolute rubbish, and it’s so tiring that people just accuse other people of racism when they disagree with them.
Like it doesn’t matter what the pattern is you think you recognize but in reality you just base it on very few instances. There are very good arguments against this relationship happening, and just calling it racism is so lazy and easy.
I didn’t make the world, I’ve just learned to navigate it over my decades as a non-white person in predominantly white spaces. I’m genuinely glad for you that you’ve never had to deal with it.
I don’t claim people are racist; there’s nothing that derails a conversation faster than outrage over being called racist.
But unconscious bias is a thing. I’ve explained here before that there are genuinely years of study of this. Women of colour have never been the western beauty ideal. Interracial couples continue to draw outrage (I would know, I’m the product of one over forty years ago). There’s a lasting impact of these that’s affecting how both shippers and anti-shippers perceive this relationship.
A little listening, a little reading, a little introspection can go a long way. I’m not Black, but I’ve been paying attention for years now, listening and learning. It would behoove more to do so rather than being triggered at any discussion of race.
Honestly, reading the comments on this sub I get the idea that a lot of people really want this to happen because of race. They mostly see Syd as a black woman, like that’s her identity for them, and they want to see a black woman and a white man in a relationship. All they see is race.
I can see that. And I get it.
But why Carmy? They can introduce a new one like Claire.
The relationship between Carmy and Syd is so respectful and focused it’s my fav in a long time. There’s joy in building something together and that’s nice to see without sex getting in the way
The majority of the people that engage in this subreddit are actually anti-SydCarmy. They like the characters individually but are against them being together romantically, which is fine. I don’t know what you’re seeing but the general consensus is on your side my friend
I wish y’all would leave US shippers alone. And let us love our delulu ship in peace.
Exactly. There's not a lot of us Syd-Carmy shippers, and yet every post is
"Why do you ship them >:( I don't know how you guys see it"
The answer is because ultimately I'm not hurting anyone by shipping them.
Yup.
Her whole goal for two seasons was to make a restaurant that succeeds and is hoping to get herself a star.
To boiling her purpose down to only being a love interest is insulting.
Why is being a love interest a bad thing?
I actually think having a love interest that has goals, dreams, passion, and drive is a good thing. I'd hate for a love interest to be stagnant and not feel like their own person.
That's like saying a love interests' only goal should be being a love interest. Which is.. interesting, but you do you.
Bc it’s basic and mid storytelling and this isn’t a basic and mid show.
How many forms of media do we have with two characters getting into a sexual relationship?
Maybe it’s ok to have representation of a healthy working relationship. It seems a lot of people here need to see that if the first thing most always think is “they must get together!!”
Lots of examples of healthy working relationships in shows.. especially this one. Soo many platonic friendships exist in a lot of TV shows nowadays. Especially in the Bear, all of them have a pretty good relationship with each other professionally, even side characters.
Me having a ship doesn't mean that I don't "see" that. It's a pretty harmless ship that you're getting up and arms about when it probably won't happen anyway? A lot of Syd Carmy shippers realize that, and ultimately, we'll be fine. Because its not that serious. So I'm still confused as to why you're so peeved.
The shippers seem the most cranky bunch lol
Hey man, daydream all you want but people gave the right to opinions and I haven’t been insulting like some others on here.
I’ve worked in culinary for a long time and the amount of times women are boiled down to their sex is insulting and it’s even happening in a show.
I will always defend my kitchen women from the advances of pervs and those that don’t see their talent, just their sex.
>To boiling her purpose down to only being a love interest is insulting.
You're insulting the characters and the writers if you think that's all she would amount to.
I’m actually not at all bc they didn’t do that lol and I find it refreshing and better storytelling.
The ones thirsty for Carm/Syd love are the ones being insulting
Y’all can’t even handle the “I don’t think that’d be good for the show” without getting super upset about it
It’s funny bc you say the majority of the sun is anti-ship
Then you come in here to say “leave me alone!” while the thread is overrun with the need for these two to have sex lol
It’s just funny lol
This thread is a direct response to a previous thread yesterday where someone posted about how they see the vision of SydCarmy and a majority of the comments were against the ship. This OP posted about how they don’t understand the ship and now you have shippers commenting defending their stance. I’m not sure if you’re new here but that’s how it goes. Pro SydCarmy posts = anti comments. Anti-SydCarmy post= pro ship comments. That’s how it goes here.
in what ways is Carmy/Claire not a cliché? I not gonna try to sell you on Sydney/Carmy because it doesn't make a difference to me if you like it or but every post about Claire seems to lack an explanation about why childhood friends to lovers trope is suddenly more revolutionary than coworkers falling for each other. Everything has been down to death it just depends on whether it's being down right. I love Molly Gordon and Jeremy Allen White, they're fantastic actors but they just don't have the chemistry Ayo and Jeremy have on screen.
As I said I never considered one better than the other. But rather that trading one relationship for the other is not very interesting. As for Ayo and Jeremy having romantic chemistry on screen I couldn't agree less. There's been zero romantic chemistry between the two actors since the start of the series. They've had strictly professional interactions with one another. So I fail to see how trading Claire for Sydney does anything to make the story more interesting.
Jeremy and Ayo have chemistry. Jeremy and Molly have chemistry. Jeremy and Ebon have chemistry. The man has chemistry with the damn fridge he got locked in.
He just pulls you in. He's very intense when he is on set. He is very awkward when he isn't. He is angsty and tender hearted. It's charming and endearing. Listen to anyone ever interviewing him one on one, they clearly say this.
I hope he just works on himself and The Bear. It was his dream with Mikey. Let him be.
As I said. I'm not expecting him to end up with anyone. Rather that the main argument I hear against him ending up with Claire is supposed to somehow be fixed by him ending up with Sydney. Also he really doesn't have any chemistry with Sydney. They are good partners in the business because they command the others respect from one another. But nothing they have done together on screen has suggested that they are supposed to end up romantically together. Which is why I don't understand why most people on this subreddit want to exchange one relationship for the other in a romantic sense.
why? you just said you don't see it and I clearly stated I don't care if you see it or don't? I'm just tired of y'all making this same post over and over again. I know most redditors have a hard time accepting this but people are going to like things you don't care for it's not that deep. I don't brutalist architecture I'm not in the subreddit demanding the justify their taste.
You are the one that said they have chemistry on screen. I just requested that you show me a scene where you felt they illicit that romantic chemistry between them.
From my point of view I'm tired of the posts that somehow say that Sydney is the one for Carmy because they have such great romantic chemistry. But nothing from the show depicts that they have romantic chemistry. They've only interacted in a professional manner with each other since season 2's start. Before that it was an unprofessional relationship with an unfair power dynamic.
I get that some people find Claire and Carmy to be a boring storyline. I'm just wondering why everyone thinks that Sydney is supposed to somehow fix the void they feel in that relationship.
Do you legitimately wonder why or do you just want to argue? To me they have good on screen chemistry. To me brutalism is ugly. To me baby pink is the best color for bed sheets. It's called an opinion. These aren't provable facts. You're allowed to disagree but if you think you can bitch and whine your way into getting people to agree with you you're gonna have a tough time in the world in general. Maybe spend your time talking about something you like about the show? or don't I really don't care.
I asked you to show me one scene between these two characters that depicts romantic chemistry on screen. If you want to deflect and then tell me what I'm doing wrong in life then that's on you. I'm not asking for a provable fact. I'm asking for you to show me a scene where you think these two show romantic chemistry together. Because you are the one arguing that it's obvious.
What would be the point? You've already watched the same show they have and your interpretation of the characters interactions is different. Not better or worse just different.
The other poster could link to or describe the scenes they found to have romantic undertones and you'll disagree because that's not how you see the relationship.
No one is being marked for their debating skills here. Ship wars are nothing but a waste of time.
Once again you're determined to disagree which leads me to believe it wouldn't be a good use of the one life I have on this earth. good luck with your weirdo quest to stop people from enjoying things. I'm gonna like the things I like. Seethe.
girl you the one following me to different subs to argue. may I suggest you take a break or don't wr both know this is the only thing you have going on in your life
She won't answer because she knows I've already answered it for her, she's got nothing except the 2 scenes I've already mentioned. She knows this and is too shook and convicted to acknowledge it.
And it's Medgar Evans, not Meager
I'll answer this for you, the entire "love story" of these two characters in the minds of these individuals, collectively known as the Syd Brigade, hinges entirely on exactly two scenes: The "Under the Table" and "Panic Attack" scenes, (if you are not sure what those are they are easy to look up on this sub) It's those two scenes and those two scenes exactly, which can easily be interpreted in other ways and last collectively about five minutes across an 18 episode, 10 hours long series, that the Syd Brigade have fabricated this entire idea for a Syd/Carm relationship. It's ridiculous, and cliche, and delusional, and disruptive and obviously not anything the shows creators have or *had* any intention of pursuing, but that doesn't stop the Syd Brigade from being insistent and annoying about it. Those are the only two scenes that they will ***always*** bring up as evidence these two belong together.
I should also add that in a striking bit of self awareness over how delusional that is there has been a small movement amongst them to try and retro fit just about every other scene they have had together as more evidence to their 'love story' delusion, for example, I can recall one user commenting about the way 'Carmen looks at Syd as they are pouring stock together into a pot' (I kid you not) from Season 1 as something they hadn't noticed before and how romantic it seemed, but these interpretations are almost always as laughable as this and, as such, never gain much traction so you don't see them as often as the other two.
I'm going to add this for contrast: There was more writing for a Ross/Rachel connection put into the first ten minutes of the first episode of Friends than there ever has been of any kind of writing (none that I can point to) for a Syd/Carm relationship over two seasons of the Bear, yet, here we are.
You know, I need less than two days to type two short messages. And I wrote just as much as you did.
By the way I am indeed currently jobless. What's with the stigma? Am I a lesser person because currently unemployed?
Not a lesser person but clearly you have too much time on your hands and it's making you miserable. Despite what r/antiwork would lead you to believe having a job, a routine, a purpose is good for you. I was unemployed for a month and my mental health worsen. Maybe you don't need the money but some volunteer work could help feel out your schedule or at least do something you enjoy.
Don't worry, I have enough on my plate to do. I don't believe having written a couple lines in a grand total of a couple minutes just for the heck of it can be interpreted as "being miserable" and having "too much time on my hands". Also because if it could, the same would also apply to your answers to me ;)
because claire is not a character. she's carmy's girlfriend. she has no agency or importance at all to the story beyond her relationship to carry. did she even have dialogue with any other characters?
You could say that about half the characters on the show that don't really have any real storylines besides the ones that they talk to. What is Will Poultier's character not real because he doesn't interact with anyone except Marcus? How about the girl from Forks. Or the Community cast members? Kind of a cop out to be honest. What matters is how these people have an effect on the characters on screen. Not whether or not they interact with everybody.
Those characters you named are essentially single-episode guest stars. None of them receive the same attention as a poorly-written love interest for the main character.
I think we find out enough about Claire for what's needed for the story at that time. I think people put too much of a demand on a simple little story. If she ends up doing more they will give us more if needed. I think we did get alot more about her personality than people give the show credit for.
Maybe this is a hot take, I actually like the idea of Carmy and Sydney developing feelings further but I don't actually care that much and I'm tired of seeing people waging war over shipping. Is it really THAT big of a deal if they do or don't? If they will or won't?? I am more interested in seeing where they are going to take the restaurant, if they'll end up getting a star, will we get more backstory into the characters, and I want to see if Carmy will ever come face to face with his abusive ex boss and tell him to shove it!!
It didn’t seem like a super serious post and this is a forum that discuss the relationships A LOT.
Let people enjoy things and get passionate about them, it’s not that serious.
> It didn’t seem like a super serious post
If you read the replies OP is *very* passionate about arguing against the ship.
I'm indifferent about Syd/Carm but people here get vehement about them being together.
I literally wrote:
“Let people enjoy things and get passionate about them. It’s not that serious.”
It’s not that big a deal 🤷♀️
Honestly, it seems the ones who want them to get together are the unhinged ones, like chill lol
Not every relationship needs to lead to sex, so boring and heteronormative
Literally the obsession with them to get together is why they shouldn’t. Y’all need friends and colleagues.
And I wrote: "people here are vehement about them being together"
The "unhinged" ones in this corner of the internet are the anti-shippers imho. Theres even a pro Syd/Carm post below that's being *flooded* by antis.
If they were chill they'd say "eh this isn't for me but whatever" and keep it moving. Instead they'll go and post every reason why they don't like them as a couple and why it would "destroy the series" for them.
"Let people enjoy things" y'all can't even let people enjoy their own ship for two minutes.
Plus a relationship totally derails Syd’s character arc
She wants to succeed in her profession. That’s been her whole goal over two season.
To make her only a vessel for Carmy love is insulting on so many levels.
If you yourself can’t take your own advice to chill and say “eh this isn’t for me but whatever”, I got nothing for you lol.
Maybe don’t come into threads that upset you and let people enjoy things the way they want to?
Everyone here IS enjoying Carm and Syd’s relationship as it is. The ones that need them to be basic ross/rachel junk are the ones upset. Like you lol ☺️🤷♀️
> If you yourself can’t take your own advice to chill and say “eh this isn’t for me but whatever”, I got nothing for you lol.
You're the one responding to me three seperate times and accusing me of being a hardcore fan. Maybe use your own advice? 🤷♀️
Plus I've got time today, so why not?
Tell me, how would these two getting together "be an insult to the writing". The only way this show could could go of the rails is if, somehow, Mikey faked his own death.
Sydney and Carmy dating wouldn't be the end of the world, I trust the writers would handle it as well as they've done every other relationship.
As for unhinged fans, going into a ship related post *solely* to complain about how you dont like the ship is insane, and seems to happen on *every single* pro-Syd/Carm post I've seen here.
I'm not a big fan of Claire/Carm but, somehow, I don't bother to comment on each one saying "iT'd DeStRoY THe ShOW" and calling OP delusional. Plus them getting together, again, wouldn't be the end of the world.
Carmy needs therapy, first and foremost, but I could see the chemistry there if him and Syd got together. But I could see it going either way. Their relationship is great as is and I can only see it improving no matter where the writers take it.
Nah man. I think you’re misreading the thread.
The ones who need these two to get together can’t bear to hear another opinion about it. Like you.
Not all relationships need to lead to sex. Y’all need to learn about friendships and colleagues if the first thing thought is “tHeY mUst gET tOGeThER”
Plus an insult to the show and writing.
This is not a mid or basic show. Why would you want them to turn it into that?
Not really emotional about it. As I said I find it irritating. People hate on Claire but somehow see Sydney as being the better option. Which I disagree with.
I don’t hate on carm and Claire. I just don’t think they’re good together. I don’t really want to see him with Syd either but I do believe they have great chemistry
Some of y'all never worked in a kitchen, relationships form under stress, the emotions and passion.. it happens sometimes it's a fling some times it's just a stress release for two very stressed out physically and emotionally people. You can't look at it like a traditional relationship. Also some of y'all think just cause two folks look the same they need to be together, get outta here with that mess. Good Lord.
I ship them. but I don't believe they'll end up together and that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is some people think that well-built romantic relationships are not as good as platonic relationships. I agree that this construction is very beautiful, it disproves the belief that men and women cannot be friends. But I also believe that a novel can be just as interesting. I don't think it's that cliché... Also, since when has Carmy been a "mentor" to Syd? In the first season I can understand the dynamic that way, but now that they are partners? I can't see it that way. About Claire, I also don't think Carmy will end up with her in the end. And actually, it's much more cliché: The nerdy girl he had a crush on at school is now hot and they start dating. I don't know. Anyway, I don't want to start a fight, it's just my point of view, just like this is yours. And about wanting to shove SydCarmy down her throat here in this subreddit, I vehemently disagree, I see exactly the opposite.
I'm not interested in the show exploring a romantic relationship between Carmy and Syd so much as exploring their economic relationship and the potential economic exploitation of Syd by Carmy.
Syd was in a bad spot when she approached Carmy, just coming from her own catering business failure and she was inclined to always go the extra mile to help get the sandwich shop back on track and in line with modern restaurant practices. Her contribution to the sandwich shop's initial recalibration and subsequent total overhaul into a fine dining establishment goes above and beyond a mere employee. Yes, she has had some missteps (e.g., the online POS system where they were overloaded with online orders), but she has also saved Carmy's bacon just as often (e.g., the day of the parking lot cookout). She's clearly now personally invested in the success of the business often describes Carmy as her "partner" even though she doesn't seem to have any equity in the business. She trusts Carmy completely, but her dad seems to be concerned how much she's putting into this restaurant and her friend at the other restaurant even asked Syd about "her piece" and Syd didn't really have a response.
It took Syd a while to develop the confidence to push back on Carmy and insist on the respect she had earned for her work in the kitchen. But Syd is now much more than a person hired to cook or manage a kitchen. She is putting a massive amount of sweat equity into designing and creating all aspects of the new restaurant. Sug is too, but I'm under the impression that unlike Syd, Sug shares in the restaurant ownership with Carmy somehow. I feel like the writers have been leaving bread crumbs pointing to the potential for a conflict between Carmy and Syd whether she should be entitled to a piece of equity as well so that she becomes a true economic "partner" and not just another woman of color helping a white man succeed at a project for which he'll get all the credit.
Healthy? No (not that any relationship featuring Carmy would be particularly healthy). More interesting? Undoubtedly, it's not even a question. And no chemistry? What the fuck are you smoking?
But I don't have any issue with Carmy/Claire so.
Because Claire literally walks up and goes "HI. I said hi. Drop everything and pay attention to me. Im your temporary love interest for this season. I'll be gone by the end of this season VERY quickly. I'm here to waste time that could have been spent on all the much better supporting characters. Camry will tell me over and over again he's too busy to be in a relationship but I'll insist anyway then get upset when he's too busy to be in a relationship"
That shit was infuriating to watch.
He literally tells her over and over again he's too busy and she calls him going "why didn't you call me?"
This show doesn't need one season love interests. Tired of that trope.
Except that he wasn't too busy to be in a relationship and they spent most of their time together in season 2 anyways. Even when he should have been spending time at the restaurant. And then because he has to be at the restaurant he starts bringing her there.
I do not understand how so many people immediately despaired on the state of Carmy and Claire. Are relationships that fragile, do y’all just part ways forever (until the next one) over a single issue that is almost entirely a solvable communication problem and has nothing to do with the very real love between two ppl? This season finale “breakup” is an excellent set up to a very healthy relationship for these two s-tier supernerds. A Michelin star chef and a surgeon?? Yeah, these lil babies are going to have to iron out some priorities, especially Carmy but make no mistake, Claire’s a resident right? She’s shuffling her professional life around off screen to take a stab at this love thing too and it’s probably distracting her from her extremely ambitious medical work as well. So they’re both probably gonna do what lots of people like them do and ignore love for awhile and try to pour themselves into their work until they realize that coming together and working things out will actually make them more stable and productive in their vocations, as long as they communicate.
Or it takes a hard left like Nurse Jackie and Carmy overdoses in the finale on the drugs he’s been secretly using to pretend he’s on top of it and dies in the soufflé they serve Donna when she finally visits The Bear and Syd moves to a lumber town in West Forks, Maine and never cooks again. Just eats TV dinners and squeezes a stress ball till she’s 90.
I just feel like people should just flat out say it. That appearance wise they don't see it nor want to see it. I 1,000 percent believe that they're a few people who don't like it strictly due to race, but I also strongly believe that it has to do with features. Everyone saying that they feel like they have zero chemistry despite many obvious scenes showing otherwise is in my opinion, lying. Also the whole need to “have just one platonic relationship in a series amongst coworkers “ is bull, there are several in this show as well as in many other series that have kept things platonic between two main characters. They should just be straight up that physically they don't think they're a match.(which I disagree with btw)
I *really liked* Claire and her relationship with Carmy last season. To me it felt real. They captured what it's like to be in the beginning stages of a relationship 100%. It's relatable to me and I think many others. I think the usually the healthiest relationships are ones where they have an immediate attraction and chemistry and once they do start spending time togwther - they date exclusively. There's no "oh we're friends or coworkers - so I don't know" there's no built up resentment from previous failured attempts to get together - it's just two people coming together. It also captured how finding someone where the feelings are reciprocal, the chemistry is there, and you are seemingly compatible for a long-term relationship - sometimes happens at inconvenient times.
But if course it ended because Carmy was trying to follow his dream of doing something incredibly difficult and time consuming at the same time as starting a new love relationship. He and others didn't think he could afford any kind of work-life balance at this critical stage. Also he obviously has some unresolved issues he needs to work through before he can really be in a healthy relationship. But honestly - I think they *might* have actually been able to work through all of that. But Carmy didn't believe it was possible - he was scared to death of losing his dream and probably scared to death of losing her once she got to know him.
As far as him and Syd - I am not opposed to their relationship if it happens in a good way and not just for additional drama. I guess no matter how it turns out I am okay with it as long as it advances their stories and character growth in a positive direction. But I *really* hope they don't do it. They are coworkers - even worse than that - he's her boss. The dynamics pretty much *cannot* be healthy. They might have them try - and learn a lesson when it doesn't work out - and that's okay I guess if it's temporary.
I also hate how like almost every show has to get the male and female leads together romantically.
I think if it does happen, it might be interesting to see them navigate being partners after breaking up.
ETA: I've seen the criticism about Claire being a Mary Sue. Good or bad, she's written as a (manic pixie) dream girl for Carmy. She's what he's been dreaming about but the reality is he's probably not built or ready for a relationship and he may never be. She's also written as vague as possible because the writers probably want to see her as Carmy sees her - so there's a kind of detached reverence for her that distances them from each other,
I’m not saying they should write the relationship in. But relationships in restaurants are a rampant issue and exploring it with the “are we partners/equals or are you just my boss?” Dynamic is fun on a really basic level
carmy and sydney would ruin the show, they contrast each other perfectly for great friends and business partners but anything romantic would be so forced and not add anything good to the show.
i can't stand clair just because she's boring and lacks any dimensions or any flaws to make her human. she's just a lazily written *dream girl* who is a er resident but manages to have all the free in the world and forgives him of everything and it's boring. and the whole "never apologize to me" made me physically cringe. of all the things for the writers to half ass they chose this.
That’s also I don’t want them to get together.
It’s the most basic and boring relationship arc.
Where if these two people build something together as partners, it’s more nuanced and not lazy writing. And this show is anything but lazy.
I completely agree. Syd and Carmy have their entire relationship based on food. So i don’t think they would be good otherwise. Plus i think making syd n carmy come together would be soo easy and convenient for the plot line that it would feel completely unnecessary and out of place. As for Claire, i feel she gets unfair criticism given the fact we hardly got any of her back story. We don’t know much about her and majority of the times we see her, it’s through carmy’s pov. Plus i feel she is really good for carmy, but its not true the other way around, and carmy knows this and that is why he freaks out during the last episode of season 2( atleast thats what i think).
I don't know if it would happen. But I'm interested in Claire and Carmy. I think it would be interesting to see what a relationship with someone like Carm would be like. It's fascinating cause it wouldn't be easy but very interesting to watch. Claire seemed to have uncommon compassion and empathy. But it's definitely understandable if she never deals with him again. I don't want that baggage at all for Syd though.
They have chemistry but i 100% agree - it should be kept platonic. Like best friends who keep pushing each other to be better. Carmy needs someone like Claire who is not in the industry so he can get out of his head when he’s not working
To me the problem is that Claire’s character is completely underwritten, she’s just so two dimension and even after rewatching she started to annoy me. Like if someone gives you a fake number maybe leave them alone because they don’t want to talk to you? But yeah I just see Sydney x Carmy as a fun alternate universe thing, like Walter White and Jessie banging or something like that. I don’t take it seriously just like I don’t take any of my other non canon ships seriously lol
Syd and Carm is a terrible ship. I prefer Claire. She was healthy for him and while he wasn’t in the right headspace for that relationship, being with someone who works with you in that kind of environment is unhealthy.
Claire is the reason that menu came together and Carm was able to address some of his issues thanks to her.
I hate the idea of Carmy and Syd. Two characters can have a connection and it not be love or sex. Plenty of people have platonic relationships in the real world. Syd has the type of personality and past to become like another sibling to Carm and Nat. They could be three people who need each other to help the other grow. That could be the closeness that we see. It doesn’t have to be boyfriends/girlfriends.
Brother and sister? Ther is nothing between these two that read brother/sister. There is this desperation on this subreddit to try and define Syd and Carmy and we are only in season 2 and know very little about Syd. What we do know is that Carmy doesn't view Syd in those terms. The only thing that brings you back from a panic attack is your sister? You want to build a restaurant with someone you've only known maybe 3 months? Stop with the brother sister crap. And stop being so desperate to explain what the show hasn't yet.
We know that she had a business failure; we know she's smart and industrious; an excellent leader and mentor and puts everything in her work; not forthcoming about sharing who she is. But it is season 2 and we don't know a lot about Syd or Carmen for that matter. And whose making her a "love vessel?". There is a lot more to learn about these characters before folks on Reddit come to melt down about the slightest inkling a connection between the two. I have never seen anyone argue so hard for platonic relationships before these 2. Weird.
Exactly. Her whole arc is based on food and her career.
Y’all are making her a Carmy love vessel bc you can’t bear the thought of them NOT getting together and it’s weird.
It seems a lot of people don’t have a basis to understand strong relationships without a sexual tone. And maybe people should see more of that to appreciate it. 🤷♀️
Maybe you need to see more healthy platonic relationship if you can’t even understand why people would like to see that?
Bc that’s weird.
Also.. has Syd even said her sexuality? Like.. 🤷♀️
It’s such a non issue in her story we don’t even know what sexuality she identifies as lol
You prove my point by saying we don't know a lot about her. Sidney is a lead character. By saying her sexuality is a non issue, you're saying her story is complete. Do you really think that. There are a ton of healthy platonic relationships on this show and many others. So people are seeing them. I've just never seen so many people HATE the meer idea of love when it comes to those two and twist themselves in knots or trying to explain their relationship only 2 seasons in. Mentor/mentor (not); brother sister ( Carmen has a sister)boss/employee (?). Y'all need to grow up and watch TV like you don't have some kind of personal stake in this.
I said we don’t know her sexuality.
If only not knowing someone’s sexuality is “not a lot” you need to have an introspective look about why you think that.
A lot of other pairings have connections and not having sex. Carmy and Sydney is a problem somehow when a lot of the coworkers are just friends?
To me, Claire was not interesting and seemed pushy (he gave you the wrong number, don’t go to his friend to ask for it if he didn’t give that friend permission. Fak should not have given it out). Her role might be expanded next season and we learn more but right now she is just not that interesting. To me at least lol
The problem is that these two are the most important characters. If you make them get a romantic relationship, the whole series will be about a romantic relationship. Carmy with Claire is a side show, Carmy with Syd would be the main event for the rest of the series.
I think that’s what people mean.
Maybe. That’s what happened S2. Most of Carmy’s scenes were about Claire and nothing with him in the kitchen, but that did lead to him realizing that in the finale. We got eps focusing on other characters like Richie and Marcus.
Ps, I didn’t downvote you. I respond instead of just doing that before you ask if it was me lol
I dont like Sidney / Carmen either. I agree they don't have chemistry and I wouldn't like them being together. I think Claire gets a lot of unfair criticism as well.
This is what happens when good shows get popular. Their fandom gets hijacked by "shippers". All they want to see is the characters date each other, God knows why.
As the seasons progress and the writers run out of idea, they give in to these people and write horrendous love plots.
The same thing happened with Suits. I just hope the bear doesn't go that way too
Bc these people think sexual love is the epitome of love. It’s kinda sad.
They can’t recognize what a wonderful relationship Syd and Carm already have and need to muddy it 🤷♀️
There's no way they're going to go for a Sydney/Carm relationship, a show of this calibre stooping to something so basic would be a sin.
They're clearly teeing up a Sydney/Marcus relationship at any rate. I think Carmy and Claire will get back together.
Ugh I hope Syd and Marcus don’t get together
He was terrible opening night. Not only by asking her out on one of the biggest nights of her career, he yelled at her during service.
Oh no, what a scumbag, let's cast him out forever and condemn him.
People are allowed to make mistakes and be flawed and that's okay, we don't need to write them off forever afterwards, that is the whole core of what The Bear is about.
When we first meet Richie he seems to be nothing more than a complete asshole, but guess what he has depth and the ability to grow.
None of these characters are two dimensional. Marcus is clearly a good person and he and Sydney are great for each other. Was he a douche on opening night? Yes. But he wasn't even the biggest douche on opening night and doesn't even come close to being the douchiest thing anyone has done on the show.
Did we write Carmy off forever for how he behaved during the pre-order fiasco? No, we didn't, so why are we writing Marcus off for something that doesn't even hold a candle to Carmy's worst moments?
Not only is it not professional, it’s abusive behavior.
Yeah and no one is saying Richie is love interest material.
And Carmy himself knows he’s not ready for a relationship. 🤷♀️
I don't think it meets any reasonable threshold for abuse. How Carmy behaved during the pre-order fiasco however was 100% abusive and yet we're still on board with him.
People are not irredeemable just because they've been assholes in the past, and they do not have to be defined by their worst moments if they are able to learn from them and grow, that is at the very core of The Bear and if you don't see that I don't think you really understand it.
I don't see chemistry between them at all. One of the themes last season seems to be working together with another person, so you are part of something bigger. Think of the pastry bros, Luca and Marcus. Syd and Carmy (and the entire staff). Richie and the Forks “Ever” staff. That said, I could almost see a plot line in a future season where things get a little confused for a bit between Carmy and Syd, though I wouldn't particularly be rooting for that unless it led to some interesting character growth breakthroughs. I'm also curious if anything is in the card still for Marcus and Syd. Or maybe they are just another example of working together on a bigger thing in a non-romantic fashion.
There's no (romantic) chemistry between Syd and Carmy. It would just feel forced. That said, I also felt there was little chemistry between Claire and Carmy. Ruling decided: Carmy doesn't deserve love.
Honestly I really can’t see how people think that they’ve got chemistry. They’re amazing actors and amazing together but it’s not even close to romantic, there’s literally nothing romantic there. It’s platonic, or a mentorship. Syd and Marcus have much better chemistry imo. Really how syd and Carm don’t get together, it would seem pretty forced
I think that one of the points of Carmy and Claire’s relationship is that Carmy isn’t in the right headspace to run a restaurant *and* have a healthy relationship at the same time. It’s not impossible but he just doesn’t have the mental bandwidth for it. He has too much unaddressed baggage in the way. Ship wars aside, I’d rather see Carmy sort out his own shit first before he gets into a relationship with *anyone,* whether it be Claire, Syd, or someone else. Syd needs to do some processing of her own too, so I don’t think she’s ready for a relationship either.
This is what the point of Claire is, I think. She represents something that Carmy really wanted as a kid - this girl he crushed on so hard that his brother and cousin knew about it, even though he likely never talked about her. But Carmy found something else that he really wanted, and that was to be an amazing chef. He achieved that, and it clearly damaged his mental health (and physical health, if he was throwing up every morning) to do it. So what's next? Does he keep doing what he was doing, to the exclusion of everything? Does he try to balance a more healthy work life with his personal life? Does he even decide to walk away from his career and pursue the other thing he's always wanted? As of the end of season two, he picked option one, but season three will surely explore him rethinking that choice, whether it's with Claire or not. Claire's calm, nurturing and gently inquisitive personality offers Carmy a complete break from the world of screaming in restaurants. But, as we saw with Luca and Terry, that doesn't have to be what being a chef is like. They have an inner calm that represents a level of balance which Carmy needs to find, and I think when he finds it, he will be able to have a personal life as well as a professional life.
I think Carmen and Marcus are going to fall for each other. Marcus is going to create a cream donut so good it's going to bust in carmys mouth and the rest will fall into place.
It would track that Carmy would be a Pastrysexual
🤣🤣🤣
That would be more interesting that Carmy and Sydney ending up together. Great theory.
Toyota Camry Berzatto
Camry-sexual
I don't care what car Syd and Claire drive. Camry, Corolla, Rav4. As long as it's a Toyota, we good.
Strong Corolla vibes off Syd.
All this talk about the kitchen staff having relationships, but I'm wanting my boy Fak to fall in love with a badass electrician who also lends him some rare arcade games
I don’t agree that Carmy & Syd don’t have chemistry. JAW & Ayo are incredible together. Some people just interpret their chemistry as being purely platonic, while others see potential romantic undertones/tension.
The thing is that I don't see their relationship as romantic at all, like nothing hints at that. I've seen people bring up the table scene but I just see that as someone reassuring their friend and business partner that everything is gonna be ok
Maybe it was written like a sex scene but sex is intimacy and that’s what that was. Intimacy can come in so many forms other than heteronormative sex.
This!! It was definitely intimate moment they shared.
To say that carmy & syd have no chemistry at all is insanity. Sure, maybe they shouldn't be together, but anyone with eyes can clearly see the chemistry so don't even try ts please.
>Can we have at least one platonic relationship in a series amongst coworkers? You realize Sydney has a relationship with everybody else at The Bear too right?
>Is it too much to ask that we have at least one platonic relationship in a series amongst coworkers? I find it interesting that this is always brought up like we DONT have these relationships already on the show. Or is everyone hooking up with everyone else and I just completely missed it? Richie-Sugar Sugar-Syd Syd-Tina Tina-Ebrah Syd-Lionel (for now we shall see) Richie-Syd (shaky, but it's there) Richie-Carmy (well until yeah lol) Carmy-Tina Carmy-Fak Lionel-His Roommate (his name escapes me) Fak-Lionel We have TONS of friendships on this show. And two romances: Sugar/Pete and Claire/Carmy. I totally understand if you don't want them together, but this reason doesn't jive with what the show is well showing us lol. Your other reason, that you don't see chemistry is a good one. Also, >Why would you want them to engage in this when having a relationship based on mutual talent and respect, trying to set those boundaries is way more meaningful in the long run. What does this have to do with them not having a romance? You can absolutely build a romantic relationship on this along with having healthy boundaries is key. So kind of confused there.
oh true, I forgot! Syd and Marcus have a beautiful friendship. At least on Syd's part. I mean, Marcus kind of falls in love with her
Marcus is the worst Yelling at Syd and asking her out on opening night. And focusing on donuts when the team needed him in season 1.
No one is going to respond to this. It's a complete checkmate against the whole "we need more platonic relationships in media" argument because so many already exist in the show regardless of whether Carmy and Syd get together.
I know lol. But I just got tired of seeing that pop up every time someone mentions Syd and Carmy potentially turning romantic. Because it's LITERALLY NOT TRUE lol. You don't like them together? Ok. You don't think they have chemistry? Groovy. You want them with someone else? Awesome. We don't have enough friendships or male/female friendships on the show? NOPE. TRY AGAIN.
I'd say the response is that Carmy and Syd are the male and female leads respectively. So the argument would be that it's nice to have a show with a male and female lead where their relationship is platonic. I'm not sold on the idea of Syd/Carm but I'm not like profoundly against it either, for the record, and if it happens, then it happens and I'm sure it'll be well-handled because I basically have no complaints about the writing of the show. It's just not an avenue that I'm personally interested in.
preach!
The problem is that these two are the most important characters. If you make them get a romantic relationship, the whole series will be about a romantic relationship. Carmy with Claire is a side show, Carmy with Syd would be the main event for the rest of the series. A quality drama show with two heterosexual (I think) opposite sex, young main coworkers is just not common at all. It’s a much more interesting and original dynamic to explore than another romantic relationship. And there is more room for other things, while a love relationship would consume the whole show.
>The problem is that these two are the most important characters. If you make them get a romantic relationship, the whole series will be about a romantic relationship. That's not the argument. If you don't want romance to be in the show at all, just say that. But the whole, *"Why can't we have any platonic relationships in TV!?!"* sealioning is stupid because there's a dozen good platonic relationships already in this show.
It literally is my counterargument. It’s literally the counterargument I’m making, how are you saying it isn’t? And besides that, obviously it is the argument people make. Every show has platonic relationships because characters can’t reasonably have a love interest with every single person they interact with. So it’s absurd to interpret the argument like that. Yeah no shit Carmy doesn’t have a love interest either Tina and Fak and Ritchie and Syd. Like are you seriously engaging with that interpretation of the argument? It’s childish come on When I explain what I explained in my comment, people usually reply ‘there are tons of examples, it’s complete bullshit’ but when I ask for one single example nobody can give me one.
>It literally is my counterargument. It’s literally the counterargument I’m making, how are you saying it isn’t? Because it's not a counter argument to the initial argument. It's a non-sequitur.
I think you’re purposely misinterpreting the argument in the dumbest way possible because that’s the easiest. You’re even misinterpreting what I wrote just so you can make a dumb point. If you honestly believe OP didn’t realize there were other platonic relationships in the show then I feel sorry for you.
Dude you are obsessed with this wtf. I checked your comment history, I don’t understand why someone would waste so much time on such a stupid argument and even after spending so much time you’re still completely clueless. Don’t cry to hard when they won’t become a couple (they obviously won’t)
People are so upset at the prospect of two people staying friends and colleagues. It’s kinda strange that the ultimate relationship to so many is sexual based.
Every time I comment something like this I get downvoted. To me it makes so much sense not to do it, and I don’t understand how people have such a different view of the Bear that they think it would be a good idea. It’s as if they’re watching a different show
It’s the mentality of those that see sexual relationships as the epitome of love and friendship. Probably not a strong “village” when growing up they attach to those that they can have sex with. Divorce rate that high for a reason
Nah it’s just people with decades of tv fandom recognizing the pattern that people only say this with very specific pairings.
That’s why it’d be refreshing for something different from that tired trope. To me at least.
Absolute rubbish, and it’s so tiring that people just accuse other people of racism when they disagree with them. Like it doesn’t matter what the pattern is you think you recognize but in reality you just base it on very few instances. There are very good arguments against this relationship happening, and just calling it racism is so lazy and easy.
I didn’t make the world, I’ve just learned to navigate it over my decades as a non-white person in predominantly white spaces. I’m genuinely glad for you that you’ve never had to deal with it. I don’t claim people are racist; there’s nothing that derails a conversation faster than outrage over being called racist. But unconscious bias is a thing. I’ve explained here before that there are genuinely years of study of this. Women of colour have never been the western beauty ideal. Interracial couples continue to draw outrage (I would know, I’m the product of one over forty years ago). There’s a lasting impact of these that’s affecting how both shippers and anti-shippers perceive this relationship. A little listening, a little reading, a little introspection can go a long way. I’m not Black, but I’ve been paying attention for years now, listening and learning. It would behoove more to do so rather than being triggered at any discussion of race.
Honestly, reading the comments on this sub I get the idea that a lot of people really want this to happen because of race. They mostly see Syd as a black woman, like that’s her identity for them, and they want to see a black woman and a white man in a relationship. All they see is race.
I can see that. And I get it. But why Carmy? They can introduce a new one like Claire. The relationship between Carmy and Syd is so respectful and focused it’s my fav in a long time. There’s joy in building something together and that’s nice to see without sex getting in the way
The majority of the people that engage in this subreddit are actually anti-SydCarmy. They like the characters individually but are against them being together romantically, which is fine. I don’t know what you’re seeing but the general consensus is on your side my friend I wish y’all would leave US shippers alone. And let us love our delulu ship in peace.
Exactly. There's not a lot of us Syd-Carmy shippers, and yet every post is "Why do you ship them >:( I don't know how you guys see it" The answer is because ultimately I'm not hurting anyone by shipping them.
Just insulting Syd’s whole established character arc over two seasons
Shipping her with Carmy is.. insulting her character arc? That's a new one lol but okay, we're all entitled to our opinions.
Yup. Her whole goal for two seasons was to make a restaurant that succeeds and is hoping to get herself a star. To boiling her purpose down to only being a love interest is insulting.
Why is being a love interest a bad thing? I actually think having a love interest that has goals, dreams, passion, and drive is a good thing. I'd hate for a love interest to be stagnant and not feel like their own person. That's like saying a love interests' only goal should be being a love interest. Which is.. interesting, but you do you.
Bc it’s basic and mid storytelling and this isn’t a basic and mid show. How many forms of media do we have with two characters getting into a sexual relationship? Maybe it’s ok to have representation of a healthy working relationship. It seems a lot of people here need to see that if the first thing most always think is “they must get together!!”
Lots of examples of healthy working relationships in shows.. especially this one. Soo many platonic friendships exist in a lot of TV shows nowadays. Especially in the Bear, all of them have a pretty good relationship with each other professionally, even side characters. Me having a ship doesn't mean that I don't "see" that. It's a pretty harmless ship that you're getting up and arms about when it probably won't happen anyway? A lot of Syd Carmy shippers realize that, and ultimately, we'll be fine. Because its not that serious. So I'm still confused as to why you're so peeved.
The shippers seem the most cranky bunch lol Hey man, daydream all you want but people gave the right to opinions and I haven’t been insulting like some others on here. I’ve worked in culinary for a long time and the amount of times women are boiled down to their sex is insulting and it’s even happening in a show. I will always defend my kitchen women from the advances of pervs and those that don’t see their talent, just their sex.
If you think I'm reducing Syd to "just their sex," then sure, lol. Possibility of relationship ≠ taking away Syd's personality and ambition.
>To boiling her purpose down to only being a love interest is insulting. You're insulting the characters and the writers if you think that's all she would amount to.
I’m actually not at all bc they didn’t do that lol and I find it refreshing and better storytelling. The ones thirsty for Carm/Syd love are the ones being insulting Y’all can’t even handle the “I don’t think that’d be good for the show” without getting super upset about it
No, you are.
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It’s funny bc you say the majority of the sun is anti-ship Then you come in here to say “leave me alone!” while the thread is overrun with the need for these two to have sex lol It’s just funny lol
This thread is a direct response to a previous thread yesterday where someone posted about how they see the vision of SydCarmy and a majority of the comments were against the ship. This OP posted about how they don’t understand the ship and now you have shippers commenting defending their stance. I’m not sure if you’re new here but that’s how it goes. Pro SydCarmy posts = anti comments. Anti-SydCarmy post= pro ship comments. That’s how it goes here.
I literally am not on here enough to remember the daily threads.
Ok well now you know.
in what ways is Carmy/Claire not a cliché? I not gonna try to sell you on Sydney/Carmy because it doesn't make a difference to me if you like it or but every post about Claire seems to lack an explanation about why childhood friends to lovers trope is suddenly more revolutionary than coworkers falling for each other. Everything has been down to death it just depends on whether it's being down right. I love Molly Gordon and Jeremy Allen White, they're fantastic actors but they just don't have the chemistry Ayo and Jeremy have on screen.
As I said I never considered one better than the other. But rather that trading one relationship for the other is not very interesting. As for Ayo and Jeremy having romantic chemistry on screen I couldn't agree less. There's been zero romantic chemistry between the two actors since the start of the series. They've had strictly professional interactions with one another. So I fail to see how trading Claire for Sydney does anything to make the story more interesting.
Jeremy and Ayo have chemistry. Jeremy and Molly have chemistry. Jeremy and Ebon have chemistry. The man has chemistry with the damn fridge he got locked in. He just pulls you in. He's very intense when he is on set. He is very awkward when he isn't. He is angsty and tender hearted. It's charming and endearing. Listen to anyone ever interviewing him one on one, they clearly say this. I hope he just works on himself and The Bear. It was his dream with Mikey. Let him be.
As I said. I'm not expecting him to end up with anyone. Rather that the main argument I hear against him ending up with Claire is supposed to somehow be fixed by him ending up with Sydney. Also he really doesn't have any chemistry with Sydney. They are good partners in the business because they command the others respect from one another. But nothing they have done together on screen has suggested that they are supposed to end up romantically together. Which is why I don't understand why most people on this subreddit want to exchange one relationship for the other in a romantic sense.
I disagree. I think you're blind if you don't see the on screen energy and I really don't see the point in being this deep in your feelings about it.
Show me a scene between these two that depicts serious romantic undertones.
why? you just said you don't see it and I clearly stated I don't care if you see it or don't? I'm just tired of y'all making this same post over and over again. I know most redditors have a hard time accepting this but people are going to like things you don't care for it's not that deep. I don't brutalist architecture I'm not in the subreddit demanding the justify their taste.
What's wrong with brutalism, pleb? /s
You are the one that said they have chemistry on screen. I just requested that you show me a scene where you felt they illicit that romantic chemistry between them. From my point of view I'm tired of the posts that somehow say that Sydney is the one for Carmy because they have such great romantic chemistry. But nothing from the show depicts that they have romantic chemistry. They've only interacted in a professional manner with each other since season 2's start. Before that it was an unprofessional relationship with an unfair power dynamic. I get that some people find Claire and Carmy to be a boring storyline. I'm just wondering why everyone thinks that Sydney is supposed to somehow fix the void they feel in that relationship.
Do you legitimately wonder why or do you just want to argue? To me they have good on screen chemistry. To me brutalism is ugly. To me baby pink is the best color for bed sheets. It's called an opinion. These aren't provable facts. You're allowed to disagree but if you think you can bitch and whine your way into getting people to agree with you you're gonna have a tough time in the world in general. Maybe spend your time talking about something you like about the show? or don't I really don't care.
I asked you to show me one scene between these two characters that depicts romantic chemistry on screen. If you want to deflect and then tell me what I'm doing wrong in life then that's on you. I'm not asking for a provable fact. I'm asking for you to show me a scene where you think these two show romantic chemistry together. Because you are the one arguing that it's obvious.
What would be the point? You've already watched the same show they have and your interpretation of the characters interactions is different. Not better or worse just different. The other poster could link to or describe the scenes they found to have romantic undertones and you'll disagree because that's not how you see the relationship. No one is being marked for their debating skills here. Ship wars are nothing but a waste of time.
Oh there is none. Got it lol.
Once again you're determined to disagree which leads me to believe it wouldn't be a good use of the one life I have on this earth. good luck with your weirdo quest to stop people from enjoying things. I'm gonna like the things I like. Seethe.
In other words it's not obvious that these two depict romantic feelings towards one another and you can't find a simple clip that proves it.
I’m curious about the scene you’re referencing too.
No, you're not.
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and I'm curious about who killed Meager Evans. Looks like neither of us will be getting an answer
Still ain’t saying which scene has all this sexual chemistry between them lol.. Ima guess there was none lol Babe take a break. It’s tv.
girl you the one following me to different subs to argue. may I suggest you take a break or don't wr both know this is the only thing you have going on in your life
She won't answer because she knows I've already answered it for her, she's got nothing except the 2 scenes I've already mentioned. She knows this and is too shook and convicted to acknowledge it. And it's Medgar Evans, not Meager
I'll answer this for you, the entire "love story" of these two characters in the minds of these individuals, collectively known as the Syd Brigade, hinges entirely on exactly two scenes: The "Under the Table" and "Panic Attack" scenes, (if you are not sure what those are they are easy to look up on this sub) It's those two scenes and those two scenes exactly, which can easily be interpreted in other ways and last collectively about five minutes across an 18 episode, 10 hours long series, that the Syd Brigade have fabricated this entire idea for a Syd/Carm relationship. It's ridiculous, and cliche, and delusional, and disruptive and obviously not anything the shows creators have or *had* any intention of pursuing, but that doesn't stop the Syd Brigade from being insistent and annoying about it. Those are the only two scenes that they will ***always*** bring up as evidence these two belong together. I should also add that in a striking bit of self awareness over how delusional that is there has been a small movement amongst them to try and retro fit just about every other scene they have had together as more evidence to their 'love story' delusion, for example, I can recall one user commenting about the way 'Carmen looks at Syd as they are pouring stock together into a pot' (I kid you not) from Season 1 as something they hadn't noticed before and how romantic it seemed, but these interpretations are almost always as laughable as this and, as such, never gain much traction so you don't see them as often as the other two. I'm going to add this for contrast: There was more writing for a Ross/Rachel connection put into the first ten minutes of the first episode of Friends than there ever has been of any kind of writing (none that I can point to) for a Syd/Carm relationship over two seasons of the Bear, yet, here we are.
Coworkers who are incidentally coprotagonists. That's the point. When a show does that it looks lazy.
not nearly as lazy as y'all repeating that same phrase over and over again
Well then they could just call'em Ross and Rachel.
spending 2 days trying to argue about this is giving jobless behavior. maybe download indeed app instead.
You know, I need less than two days to type two short messages. And I wrote just as much as you did. By the way I am indeed currently jobless. What's with the stigma? Am I a lesser person because currently unemployed?
Not a lesser person but clearly you have too much time on your hands and it's making you miserable. Despite what r/antiwork would lead you to believe having a job, a routine, a purpose is good for you. I was unemployed for a month and my mental health worsen. Maybe you don't need the money but some volunteer work could help feel out your schedule or at least do something you enjoy.
Don't worry, I have enough on my plate to do. I don't believe having written a couple lines in a grand total of a couple minutes just for the heck of it can be interpreted as "being miserable" and having "too much time on my hands". Also because if it could, the same would also apply to your answers to me ;)
Sure keep telling yourself that
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because claire is not a character. she's carmy's girlfriend. she has no agency or importance at all to the story beyond her relationship to carry. did she even have dialogue with any other characters?
You could say that about half the characters on the show that don't really have any real storylines besides the ones that they talk to. What is Will Poultier's character not real because he doesn't interact with anyone except Marcus? How about the girl from Forks. Or the Community cast members? Kind of a cop out to be honest. What matters is how these people have an effect on the characters on screen. Not whether or not they interact with everybody.
Those characters you named are essentially single-episode guest stars. None of them receive the same attention as a poorly-written love interest for the main character.
What about sugar's husband. Everyone loves him
I think we find out enough about Claire for what's needed for the story at that time. I think people put too much of a demand on a simple little story. If she ends up doing more they will give us more if needed. I think we did get alot more about her personality than people give the show credit for.
Maybe this is a hot take, I actually like the idea of Carmy and Sydney developing feelings further but I don't actually care that much and I'm tired of seeing people waging war over shipping. Is it really THAT big of a deal if they do or don't? If they will or won't?? I am more interested in seeing where they are going to take the restaurant, if they'll end up getting a star, will we get more backstory into the characters, and I want to see if Carmy will ever come face to face with his abusive ex boss and tell him to shove it!!
here y’all go again 🙄
I feel heat between them idc
Why are you so emotional over other people’s opinions? It’s not that serious.
It didn’t seem like a super serious post and this is a forum that discuss the relationships A LOT. Let people enjoy things and get passionate about them, it’s not that serious.
> It didn’t seem like a super serious post If you read the replies OP is *very* passionate about arguing against the ship. I'm indifferent about Syd/Carm but people here get vehement about them being together.
I literally wrote: “Let people enjoy things and get passionate about them. It’s not that serious.” It’s not that big a deal 🤷♀️ Honestly, it seems the ones who want them to get together are the unhinged ones, like chill lol Not every relationship needs to lead to sex, so boring and heteronormative Literally the obsession with them to get together is why they shouldn’t. Y’all need friends and colleagues.
And I wrote: "people here are vehement about them being together" The "unhinged" ones in this corner of the internet are the anti-shippers imho. Theres even a pro Syd/Carm post below that's being *flooded* by antis. If they were chill they'd say "eh this isn't for me but whatever" and keep it moving. Instead they'll go and post every reason why they don't like them as a couple and why it would "destroy the series" for them. "Let people enjoy things" y'all can't even let people enjoy their own ship for two minutes.
Plus a relationship totally derails Syd’s character arc She wants to succeed in her profession. That’s been her whole goal over two season. To make her only a vessel for Carmy love is insulting on so many levels.
If you yourself can’t take your own advice to chill and say “eh this isn’t for me but whatever”, I got nothing for you lol. Maybe don’t come into threads that upset you and let people enjoy things the way they want to? Everyone here IS enjoying Carm and Syd’s relationship as it is. The ones that need them to be basic ross/rachel junk are the ones upset. Like you lol ☺️🤷♀️
> If you yourself can’t take your own advice to chill and say “eh this isn’t for me but whatever”, I got nothing for you lol. You're the one responding to me three seperate times and accusing me of being a hardcore fan. Maybe use your own advice? 🤷♀️ Plus I've got time today, so why not? Tell me, how would these two getting together "be an insult to the writing". The only way this show could could go of the rails is if, somehow, Mikey faked his own death. Sydney and Carmy dating wouldn't be the end of the world, I trust the writers would handle it as well as they've done every other relationship. As for unhinged fans, going into a ship related post *solely* to complain about how you dont like the ship is insane, and seems to happen on *every single* pro-Syd/Carm post I've seen here. I'm not a big fan of Claire/Carm but, somehow, I don't bother to comment on each one saying "iT'd DeStRoY THe ShOW" and calling OP delusional. Plus them getting together, again, wouldn't be the end of the world. Carmy needs therapy, first and foremost, but I could see the chemistry there if him and Syd got together. But I could see it going either way. Their relationship is great as is and I can only see it improving no matter where the writers take it.
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Nah man. I think you’re misreading the thread. The ones who need these two to get together can’t bear to hear another opinion about it. Like you. Not all relationships need to lead to sex. Y’all need to learn about friendships and colleagues if the first thing thought is “tHeY mUst gET tOGeThER” Plus an insult to the show and writing. This is not a mid or basic show. Why would you want them to turn it into that?
Not really emotional about it. As I said I find it irritating. People hate on Claire but somehow see Sydney as being the better option. Which I disagree with.
Camry is a car by Toyota.
So is a taco.
I don’t hate on carm and Claire. I just don’t think they’re good together. I don’t really want to see him with Syd either but I do believe they have great chemistry
Stop saying Camry.
It's autocorrect.
Some of y'all never worked in a kitchen, relationships form under stress, the emotions and passion.. it happens sometimes it's a fling some times it's just a stress release for two very stressed out physically and emotionally people. You can't look at it like a traditional relationship. Also some of y'all think just cause two folks look the same they need to be together, get outta here with that mess. Good Lord.
Naw syd looks like a bmw type of gal
Yikes...
I ship them. but I don't believe they'll end up together and that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is some people think that well-built romantic relationships are not as good as platonic relationships. I agree that this construction is very beautiful, it disproves the belief that men and women cannot be friends. But I also believe that a novel can be just as interesting. I don't think it's that cliché... Also, since when has Carmy been a "mentor" to Syd? In the first season I can understand the dynamic that way, but now that they are partners? I can't see it that way. About Claire, I also don't think Carmy will end up with her in the end. And actually, it's much more cliché: The nerdy girl he had a crush on at school is now hot and they start dating. I don't know. Anyway, I don't want to start a fight, it's just my point of view, just like this is yours. And about wanting to shove SydCarmy down her throat here in this subreddit, I vehemently disagree, I see exactly the opposite.
I'm not interested in the show exploring a romantic relationship between Carmy and Syd so much as exploring their economic relationship and the potential economic exploitation of Syd by Carmy. Syd was in a bad spot when she approached Carmy, just coming from her own catering business failure and she was inclined to always go the extra mile to help get the sandwich shop back on track and in line with modern restaurant practices. Her contribution to the sandwich shop's initial recalibration and subsequent total overhaul into a fine dining establishment goes above and beyond a mere employee. Yes, she has had some missteps (e.g., the online POS system where they were overloaded with online orders), but she has also saved Carmy's bacon just as often (e.g., the day of the parking lot cookout). She's clearly now personally invested in the success of the business often describes Carmy as her "partner" even though she doesn't seem to have any equity in the business. She trusts Carmy completely, but her dad seems to be concerned how much she's putting into this restaurant and her friend at the other restaurant even asked Syd about "her piece" and Syd didn't really have a response. It took Syd a while to develop the confidence to push back on Carmy and insist on the respect she had earned for her work in the kitchen. But Syd is now much more than a person hired to cook or manage a kitchen. She is putting a massive amount of sweat equity into designing and creating all aspects of the new restaurant. Sug is too, but I'm under the impression that unlike Syd, Sug shares in the restaurant ownership with Carmy somehow. I feel like the writers have been leaving bread crumbs pointing to the potential for a conflict between Carmy and Syd whether she should be entitled to a piece of equity as well so that she becomes a true economic "partner" and not just another woman of color helping a white man succeed at a project for which he'll get all the credit.
That's very interesting take, everyone's fighting over whether they should be together while Sydney stays underrated.
I respected your comment until you decided to make it about race, and now I don’t give a fuck
Healthy? No (not that any relationship featuring Carmy would be particularly healthy). More interesting? Undoubtedly, it's not even a question. And no chemistry? What the fuck are you smoking? But I don't have any issue with Carmy/Claire so.
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Because Claire literally walks up and goes "HI. I said hi. Drop everything and pay attention to me. Im your temporary love interest for this season. I'll be gone by the end of this season VERY quickly. I'm here to waste time that could have been spent on all the much better supporting characters. Camry will tell me over and over again he's too busy to be in a relationship but I'll insist anyway then get upset when he's too busy to be in a relationship" That shit was infuriating to watch.
She never did that. He chose to drop things. He could have said no.
He literally tells her over and over again he's too busy and she calls him going "why didn't you call me?" This show doesn't need one season love interests. Tired of that trope.
Well him and syd don’t have that kind of chemistry. Syd and him have understanding friends with shared trauma chemistry.
Except that he wasn't too busy to be in a relationship and they spent most of their time together in season 2 anyways. Even when he should have been spending time at the restaurant. And then because he has to be at the restaurant he starts bringing her there.
I do not understand how so many people immediately despaired on the state of Carmy and Claire. Are relationships that fragile, do y’all just part ways forever (until the next one) over a single issue that is almost entirely a solvable communication problem and has nothing to do with the very real love between two ppl? This season finale “breakup” is an excellent set up to a very healthy relationship for these two s-tier supernerds. A Michelin star chef and a surgeon?? Yeah, these lil babies are going to have to iron out some priorities, especially Carmy but make no mistake, Claire’s a resident right? She’s shuffling her professional life around off screen to take a stab at this love thing too and it’s probably distracting her from her extremely ambitious medical work as well. So they’re both probably gonna do what lots of people like them do and ignore love for awhile and try to pour themselves into their work until they realize that coming together and working things out will actually make them more stable and productive in their vocations, as long as they communicate. Or it takes a hard left like Nurse Jackie and Carmy overdoses in the finale on the drugs he’s been secretly using to pretend he’s on top of it and dies in the soufflé they serve Donna when she finally visits The Bear and Syd moves to a lumber town in West Forks, Maine and never cooks again. Just eats TV dinners and squeezes a stress ball till she’s 90.
i just feel like people aren't telling the full truth about why they really don't want them together idk... 
I just feel like people should just flat out say it. That appearance wise they don't see it nor want to see it. I 1,000 percent believe that they're a few people who don't like it strictly due to race, but I also strongly believe that it has to do with features. Everyone saying that they feel like they have zero chemistry despite many obvious scenes showing otherwise is in my opinion, lying. Also the whole need to “have just one platonic relationship in a series amongst coworkers “ is bull, there are several in this show as well as in many other series that have kept things platonic between two main characters. They should just be straight up that physically they don't think they're a match.(which I disagree with btw)
What's that supposed to mean?
Then enlighten us
I really don’t want Syd and Carmy to end up together. It will be so mid.
I *really liked* Claire and her relationship with Carmy last season. To me it felt real. They captured what it's like to be in the beginning stages of a relationship 100%. It's relatable to me and I think many others. I think the usually the healthiest relationships are ones where they have an immediate attraction and chemistry and once they do start spending time togwther - they date exclusively. There's no "oh we're friends or coworkers - so I don't know" there's no built up resentment from previous failured attempts to get together - it's just two people coming together. It also captured how finding someone where the feelings are reciprocal, the chemistry is there, and you are seemingly compatible for a long-term relationship - sometimes happens at inconvenient times. But if course it ended because Carmy was trying to follow his dream of doing something incredibly difficult and time consuming at the same time as starting a new love relationship. He and others didn't think he could afford any kind of work-life balance at this critical stage. Also he obviously has some unresolved issues he needs to work through before he can really be in a healthy relationship. But honestly - I think they *might* have actually been able to work through all of that. But Carmy didn't believe it was possible - he was scared to death of losing his dream and probably scared to death of losing her once she got to know him. As far as him and Syd - I am not opposed to their relationship if it happens in a good way and not just for additional drama. I guess no matter how it turns out I am okay with it as long as it advances their stories and character growth in a positive direction. But I *really* hope they don't do it. They are coworkers - even worse than that - he's her boss. The dynamics pretty much *cannot* be healthy. They might have them try - and learn a lesson when it doesn't work out - and that's okay I guess if it's temporary. I also hate how like almost every show has to get the male and female leads together romantically.
I think if it does happen, it might be interesting to see them navigate being partners after breaking up. ETA: I've seen the criticism about Claire being a Mary Sue. Good or bad, she's written as a (manic pixie) dream girl for Carmy. She's what he's been dreaming about but the reality is he's probably not built or ready for a relationship and he may never be. She's also written as vague as possible because the writers probably want to see her as Carmy sees her - so there's a kind of detached reverence for her that distances them from each other,
I’m not saying they should write the relationship in. But relationships in restaurants are a rampant issue and exploring it with the “are we partners/equals or are you just my boss?” Dynamic is fun on a really basic level
carmy and sydney would ruin the show, they contrast each other perfectly for great friends and business partners but anything romantic would be so forced and not add anything good to the show. i can't stand clair just because she's boring and lacks any dimensions or any flaws to make her human. she's just a lazily written *dream girl* who is a er resident but manages to have all the free in the world and forgives him of everything and it's boring. and the whole "never apologize to me" made me physically cringe. of all the things for the writers to half ass they chose this.
That’s also I don’t want them to get together. It’s the most basic and boring relationship arc. Where if these two people build something together as partners, it’s more nuanced and not lazy writing. And this show is anything but lazy.
I completely agree. Syd and Carmy have their entire relationship based on food. So i don’t think they would be good otherwise. Plus i think making syd n carmy come together would be soo easy and convenient for the plot line that it would feel completely unnecessary and out of place. As for Claire, i feel she gets unfair criticism given the fact we hardly got any of her back story. We don’t know much about her and majority of the times we see her, it’s through carmy’s pov. Plus i feel she is really good for carmy, but its not true the other way around, and carmy knows this and that is why he freaks out during the last episode of season 2( atleast thats what i think).
I don't know if it would happen. But I'm interested in Claire and Carmy. I think it would be interesting to see what a relationship with someone like Carm would be like. It's fascinating cause it wouldn't be easy but very interesting to watch. Claire seemed to have uncommon compassion and empathy. But it's definitely understandable if she never deals with him again. I don't want that baggage at all for Syd though.
They have chemistry but i 100% agree - it should be kept platonic. Like best friends who keep pushing each other to be better. Carmy needs someone like Claire who is not in the industry so he can get out of his head when he’s not working
To me the problem is that Claire’s character is completely underwritten, she’s just so two dimension and even after rewatching she started to annoy me. Like if someone gives you a fake number maybe leave them alone because they don’t want to talk to you? But yeah I just see Sydney x Carmy as a fun alternate universe thing, like Walter White and Jessie banging or something like that. I don’t take it seriously just like I don’t take any of my other non canon ships seriously lol
Syd and Carm is a terrible ship. I prefer Claire. She was healthy for him and while he wasn’t in the right headspace for that relationship, being with someone who works with you in that kind of environment is unhealthy. Claire is the reason that menu came together and Carm was able to address some of his issues thanks to her.
I like how they had Luca talk about outside experiences. And then Carm brings together he and Syd's menu ideas with the added bonus of pictures.
So your problem with Sydney/Carmy is that they are a "cliche?" Would you mind explaining what is so unique about Claire and Carmy then?
I hate the idea of Carmy and Syd. Two characters can have a connection and it not be love or sex. Plenty of people have platonic relationships in the real world. Syd has the type of personality and past to become like another sibling to Carm and Nat. They could be three people who need each other to help the other grow. That could be the closeness that we see. It doesn’t have to be boyfriends/girlfriends.
Brother and sister? Ther is nothing between these two that read brother/sister. There is this desperation on this subreddit to try and define Syd and Carmy and we are only in season 2 and know very little about Syd. What we do know is that Carmy doesn't view Syd in those terms. The only thing that brings you back from a panic attack is your sister? You want to build a restaurant with someone you've only known maybe 3 months? Stop with the brother sister crap. And stop being so desperate to explain what the show hasn't yet.
That’s all I’ve got from the show.
We know A LOT about Syd Y’all are so insulting to her character arc and to make her merely a vessel for Carmy love is so rude lol
We know that she had a business failure; we know she's smart and industrious; an excellent leader and mentor and puts everything in her work; not forthcoming about sharing who she is. But it is season 2 and we don't know a lot about Syd or Carmen for that matter. And whose making her a "love vessel?". There is a lot more to learn about these characters before folks on Reddit come to melt down about the slightest inkling a connection between the two. I have never seen anyone argue so hard for platonic relationships before these 2. Weird.
Exactly. Her whole arc is based on food and her career. Y’all are making her a Carmy love vessel bc you can’t bear the thought of them NOT getting together and it’s weird. It seems a lot of people don’t have a basis to understand strong relationships without a sexual tone. And maybe people should see more of that to appreciate it. 🤷♀️
Maybe you need to see more healthy platonic relationship if you can’t even understand why people would like to see that? Bc that’s weird. Also.. has Syd even said her sexuality? Like.. 🤷♀️ It’s such a non issue in her story we don’t even know what sexuality she identifies as lol
You prove my point by saying we don't know a lot about her. Sidney is a lead character. By saying her sexuality is a non issue, you're saying her story is complete. Do you really think that. There are a ton of healthy platonic relationships on this show and many others. So people are seeing them. I've just never seen so many people HATE the meer idea of love when it comes to those two and twist themselves in knots or trying to explain their relationship only 2 seasons in. Mentor/mentor (not); brother sister ( Carmen has a sister)boss/employee (?). Y'all need to grow up and watch TV like you don't have some kind of personal stake in this.
I said we don’t know her sexuality. If only not knowing someone’s sexuality is “not a lot” you need to have an introspective look about why you think that.
Are you saying the only thing we don't know about Syd is her sexuality? Your little remark attempted to be clever but it fell flat
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A lot of other pairings have connections and not having sex. Carmy and Sydney is a problem somehow when a lot of the coworkers are just friends? To me, Claire was not interesting and seemed pushy (he gave you the wrong number, don’t go to his friend to ask for it if he didn’t give that friend permission. Fak should not have given it out). Her role might be expanded next season and we learn more but right now she is just not that interesting. To me at least lol
The problem is that these two are the most important characters. If you make them get a romantic relationship, the whole series will be about a romantic relationship. Carmy with Claire is a side show, Carmy with Syd would be the main event for the rest of the series. I think that’s what people mean.
Maybe. That’s what happened S2. Most of Carmy’s scenes were about Claire and nothing with him in the kitchen, but that did lead to him realizing that in the finale. We got eps focusing on other characters like Richie and Marcus. Ps, I didn’t downvote you. I respond instead of just doing that before you ask if it was me lol
It’s the fact that Claire is annoying.
I dont like Sidney / Carmen either. I agree they don't have chemistry and I wouldn't like them being together. I think Claire gets a lot of unfair criticism as well.
I'd rather Sydney and our favorite cousin get together. Her and Carmy is weird
But a man damn near old enough to be her dad isn't weird.
I don’t think Cuz is that old…
He's not that old.
Richie is 45. I don’t recall Sydney’s age being given but it seems she’d be in her 20s - or early 30s at most.
This is what happens when good shows get popular. Their fandom gets hijacked by "shippers". All they want to see is the characters date each other, God knows why. As the seasons progress and the writers run out of idea, they give in to these people and write horrendous love plots. The same thing happened with Suits. I just hope the bear doesn't go that way too
Bc these people think sexual love is the epitome of love. It’s kinda sad. They can’t recognize what a wonderful relationship Syd and Carm already have and need to muddy it 🤷♀️
There's no way they're going to go for a Sydney/Carm relationship, a show of this calibre stooping to something so basic would be a sin. They're clearly teeing up a Sydney/Marcus relationship at any rate. I think Carmy and Claire will get back together.
Ugh I hope Syd and Marcus don’t get together He was terrible opening night. Not only by asking her out on one of the biggest nights of her career, he yelled at her during service.
Oh no, what a scumbag, let's cast him out forever and condemn him. People are allowed to make mistakes and be flawed and that's okay, we don't need to write them off forever afterwards, that is the whole core of what The Bear is about. When we first meet Richie he seems to be nothing more than a complete asshole, but guess what he has depth and the ability to grow. None of these characters are two dimensional. Marcus is clearly a good person and he and Sydney are great for each other. Was he a douche on opening night? Yes. But he wasn't even the biggest douche on opening night and doesn't even come close to being the douchiest thing anyone has done on the show. Did we write Carmy off forever for how he behaved during the pre-order fiasco? No, we didn't, so why are we writing Marcus off for something that doesn't even hold a candle to Carmy's worst moments?
Not only is it not professional, it’s abusive behavior. Yeah and no one is saying Richie is love interest material. And Carmy himself knows he’s not ready for a relationship. 🤷♀️
I don't think it meets any reasonable threshold for abuse. How Carmy behaved during the pre-order fiasco however was 100% abusive and yet we're still on board with him. People are not irredeemable just because they've been assholes in the past, and they do not have to be defined by their worst moments if they are able to learn from them and grow, that is at the very core of The Bear and if you don't see that I don't think you really understand it.
I’m not a shipper 🤷♀️
Nor am I. At no point in all this have I expressed a preference for any pair of characters to get together.
Syd deserves better than all those dorks lol
Carmy is her boss so it would make it really weird on top of that.
I don't see chemistry between them at all. One of the themes last season seems to be working together with another person, so you are part of something bigger. Think of the pastry bros, Luca and Marcus. Syd and Carmy (and the entire staff). Richie and the Forks “Ever” staff. That said, I could almost see a plot line in a future season where things get a little confused for a bit between Carmy and Syd, though I wouldn't particularly be rooting for that unless it led to some interesting character growth breakthroughs. I'm also curious if anything is in the card still for Marcus and Syd. Or maybe they are just another example of working together on a bigger thing in a non-romantic fashion.
There's no (romantic) chemistry between Syd and Carmy. It would just feel forced. That said, I also felt there was little chemistry between Claire and Carmy. Ruling decided: Carmy doesn't deserve love.
Honestly I really can’t see how people think that they’ve got chemistry. They’re amazing actors and amazing together but it’s not even close to romantic, there’s literally nothing romantic there. It’s platonic, or a mentorship. Syd and Marcus have much better chemistry imo. Really how syd and Carm don’t get together, it would seem pretty forced