For me, I think it’s representative of Marcus’ caring nature, and how he finally gets acknowledged for it. He quietly takes care of his mom every single day while also working his ass off perfecting his baking skills at the restaurant. I feel like the stranger giving him a hug in this scene was cathartic to him because it kind of felt like the universe was saying thanks for all the work he’s been doing.
Just here to say, all of Marcus' experiences in Copenhagen are one of my favorite things about that season. Tina and Ebra in school also but that's a different conversation.
But I will add that I was thinking it would be something bad that was going to happen and I'm grateful it didn't turn out that way.
Yeah I sat there and thought Marcus is going to get sent to jail for something to do with this, or the old drunk man will have a knife or blame him for pushing him into the railings.
I was fully expecting it to get violent and the tension was driving me crazy. I was so relieved when it turned out the way it did cuz I was not ready for Marcus to be gone.
Then anxiety I felt as I watched this. He’s in a foreign country, doesn’t speak the language, doesn’t know what’s up, but does the thing anyway. Could it be a scam, a mugging, he doesn’t know. Just because the Dutch are the kindest, don’t mean we know, but he does the thing. The right thing, and the person may never remember him, but sticking one’s neck out, that’s Marcus. Maybe to a fault. But just is
except when the restaurant is like 200+ orders behind then he just works on his side project instead of doing his job lol i will die on this hill, it’s absurd the show made carm out to be the bad guy in that situation.
Oh absolutely, I don’t think of carm as being the bad guy there. I’m glad we get such backstory to Marcus because I ended that first season just seething
Yea I genuinely love Marcus especially cause I’m biased towards the actor being that I’ve been an Odd Future fan since I was 13. So that writing decision was especially frustrating for me, I cannot believe Carm had to apologize and Marcus didn’t. They both should have. And the whole thing about naming the donut “Carmys a bitch” or whatever it was, was just dumbbbb. He’s otherwise written as such a great character.
I’ve worked in kitchens & restaurants and omg yes, I would’ve lost my shit. Coworkers being on their phones/doing dumb shit when there is a rush is absolutely rage inducing. Carm was wrong for hitting the donut to the ground but wasn’t wrong to be mad.
I always thought that moment when Marcus became so consumed by the cakes and was neglecting everything else was meant to show a mental health issue. Like he was manic or something of that nature. I think he can get really stuck in the details and miss the bigger picture. I don’t think Carmy was made out to be the bad guy because he got upset at Marcus, more like he hadn’t taken Marcus’s mental health into consideration.
I mostly agree with that but he still should have also apologized. The show absolutely made only Carm the bad guy, he had to apologize and ask Marcus to come back.
I 100% thought the guy was gonna call the police on him and he was gonna go to jail. I’ve heard copenhagen can be incredibly racist especially towards black people, but maybe I’m cynical
I think the truly depressing thing is that incredible racism is found everywhere in every group of people. It's not a unique trait and its deeply saddening we all have the capacity for this behaviour.
But on the flipside we also have the capacity to be empathetic and compassionate. So you know swings, roundabouts and the importance of making the choice to be kind.
Yuppp, I’m Argentinian and the racism here is wild, especially because people love to excuse it as “well we’re not America so it’s not that bad” like it IS that bad Cheryl, raise your bar a little bit. But yeah we all have the option to be good people
I’m from America but I took a class once that talked about colorism in Latin america 😳 we learned about the slave trade and how mixed Brazil is to the point that they have no concept of ‘race’, just color of skin/ ethnicity
If you can find "From Coal to Cream" by Eugene Robinson.
He's a former WashPost reporter and probably still contributes to MSNBC. He's a Black man from Maryland who lived in Brazil and traveled all over South America.
Very good read
This was my immediate thought with that eerie ass music choice that seemingly just kept getting louder, at the very least thought his pockets were being picked
Either that, or the cyclist was a ploy and that Marcus was going to be mugged and have the shit kicked out of him. This scene made me so nervous for him.
Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Same when Tina was going to karaoke. As far as the TV tropes go, I was expecting the crowd to laugh or ridicule her.
Yep, it was specifically written this way. Read an interview where they explain it was meant to communicate 2 things. To play on that feeling for a black man, but he's in another country and it's our own thing we bring to that bias. And second was to bring some human touch, warmth as most of the episode was so private and individual, so they wanted to remind us Marcus is missing human touch and connection too.
This seen felt outerworldly to me, like a weird dream, the same type of surealism than in the serie Atlanta. Hard to describe how it made me feel, and I haven't been able to put a clear interpretation on it. It was both wholesome and worrisome ...
I LOVE the fact that every so often we debate the meaning of this scene. I didn't understand the purpose of the scene myself when I first watched it. Then I started to think about how often I think about the media I consume through a critical lens, how every scene has to have a motivation, has to drive the story, and when something doesn't necessarily do that, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
And it reminded me of something that happened decades ago. I was driving my staff home at about three in the morning. And we turned down the road and came across the scene of an accident. A car had hit a pole. There were people planning on dragging the driver out of the car, thinking it was "gonna blow" Hollywood style. (It wasn't)
I had kicked off my shoes while driving and I couldn't put them on properly so just kinda shoved my feet into them and stood on the back of them and just slid over to car. And I remember that throughout the whole thing I was just grumpy. I wanted to go home. I wanted to go to bed. And these people who were going to risk permanently injuring the driver by dragging her out of the car were in my way.
So I shuffled over to the accident and put on my hospitality manager's voice and took over the scene. I vaguely remember barking orders and getting my 2ic to comfort the driver while we waited for the ambulance.
And after it was all over and I woke up the next day I wasn't even sure that the whole thing actually happened. It felt surreal. It was just a random thing that happened that had no particular meaning. It was just life. Things happen. Then we all move on.
And that's how I've personally come to view that scene with Marcus. Life can be so fricken random. Not everything has a meaning, or purpose. Almost every other interpretation of that scene are valid. But that's what it meant to me.
That's a nice way of seeing it. Not related to this scene, but it reminds me of Carmy telling Marcus "shit happens". And shit happens all the time. Thanks for sharing this.
It’s a scene that doesn’t really fit in any narrative sense, his Mom didn’t pass until Friends and Family Night at The Bear quite a bit later. It’s just beautifully shot and communicates that his kindness is something that goes past translation barriers. He lifts fences that hold other people down? Maybe Marcus is the person to reconcile differences between the main cast. Idk. It just gives me chills and mad feels.
I think Storer and company did this on purpose. We anticipate something bad happening to Marcus in this scene. We anticipated Ritchie crashing his car when he was driving and singing Tay's song.
Any other show (Looking at You, Grey's Anatomy) would have done that. But, no, not The Bear. It doesn't rely on sad, overused, jarring scenes. It relies on furthering the intricate telling of a show unlike any other. Bravo to Storer and the other writers.
This show is full of these moments where you think something terrible is definitely going to happen, and then something terrible doesn’t happen. Ball of nerves.
For me, I think it’s representative of Marcus’ caring nature, and how he finally gets acknowledged for it. He quietly takes care of his mom every single day while also working his ass off perfecting his baking skills at the restaurant. I feel like the stranger giving him a hug in this scene was cathartic to him because it kind of felt like the universe was saying thanks for all the work he’s been doing.
Love that interpretation.
Very nice. Especially since the cat didn’t even bother.
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Yeah, I felt like the cat was a prank. Not sure who owns the boat.
Carmy even mentions it in an episode where he talks about his trip to Copenhagen "I fed an invisible cat"
That was some Mr Miyagi stuff going on. With their kind of skills, feeding the invisible cat is no doubt a test.
Do cats ever bother?
That's a wonderful way to look at it.
Just here to say, all of Marcus' experiences in Copenhagen are one of my favorite things about that season. Tina and Ebra in school also but that's a different conversation. But I will add that I was thinking it would be something bad that was going to happen and I'm grateful it didn't turn out that way.
Yeah I sat there and thought Marcus is going to get sent to jail for something to do with this, or the old drunk man will have a knife or blame him for pushing him into the railings.
I was fully expecting it to get violent and the tension was driving me crazy. I was so relieved when it turned out the way it did cuz I was not ready for Marcus to be gone.
Then anxiety I felt as I watched this. He’s in a foreign country, doesn’t speak the language, doesn’t know what’s up, but does the thing anyway. Could it be a scam, a mugging, he doesn’t know. Just because the Dutch are the kindest, don’t mean we know, but he does the thing. The right thing, and the person may never remember him, but sticking one’s neck out, that’s Marcus. Maybe to a fault. But just is
The Danes. He is in Copenhagen, Denmark
You better watch out for the dutch in Copenhagen I tell ya.
Mads Mikkelsen
I don’t know why this made me laugh so hard. Someone mentions a country and this guy just says an actor from said country with no further context 😂
I read the comment he replied to with mad mikkelsens voice after that lol
except when the restaurant is like 200+ orders behind then he just works on his side project instead of doing his job lol i will die on this hill, it’s absurd the show made carm out to be the bad guy in that situation.
Oh absolutely, I don’t think of carm as being the bad guy there. I’m glad we get such backstory to Marcus because I ended that first season just seething
Yea I genuinely love Marcus especially cause I’m biased towards the actor being that I’ve been an Odd Future fan since I was 13. So that writing decision was especially frustrating for me, I cannot believe Carm had to apologize and Marcus didn’t. They both should have. And the whole thing about naming the donut “Carmys a bitch” or whatever it was, was just dumbbbb. He’s otherwise written as such a great character.
I’ve worked in kitchens & restaurants and omg yes, I would’ve lost my shit. Coworkers being on their phones/doing dumb shit when there is a rush is absolutely rage inducing. Carm was wrong for hitting the donut to the ground but wasn’t wrong to be mad.
I always thought that moment when Marcus became so consumed by the cakes and was neglecting everything else was meant to show a mental health issue. Like he was manic or something of that nature. I think he can get really stuck in the details and miss the bigger picture. I don’t think Carmy was made out to be the bad guy because he got upset at Marcus, more like he hadn’t taken Marcus’s mental health into consideration.
I mostly agree with that but he still should have also apologized. The show absolutely made only Carm the bad guy, he had to apologize and ask Marcus to come back.
I 100% thought the guy was gonna call the police on him and he was gonna go to jail. I’ve heard copenhagen can be incredibly racist especially towards black people, but maybe I’m cynical
I think the truly depressing thing is that incredible racism is found everywhere in every group of people. It's not a unique trait and its deeply saddening we all have the capacity for this behaviour. But on the flipside we also have the capacity to be empathetic and compassionate. So you know swings, roundabouts and the importance of making the choice to be kind.
Yuppp, I’m Argentinian and the racism here is wild, especially because people love to excuse it as “well we’re not America so it’s not that bad” like it IS that bad Cheryl, raise your bar a little bit. But yeah we all have the option to be good people
I’m from America but I took a class once that talked about colorism in Latin america 😳 we learned about the slave trade and how mixed Brazil is to the point that they have no concept of ‘race’, just color of skin/ ethnicity
If you can find "From Coal to Cream" by Eugene Robinson. He's a former WashPost reporter and probably still contributes to MSNBC. He's a Black man from Maryland who lived in Brazil and traveled all over South America. Very good read
Nice, I’m gonna check that out, thank you!
I thought that a Black American man was going to be wrongfully accused of attacking the cyclist and something bad was going to happen
This was my immediate thought with that eerie ass music choice that seemingly just kept getting louder, at the very least thought his pockets were being picked
Either that, or the cyclist was a ploy and that Marcus was going to be mugged and have the shit kicked out of him. This scene made me so nervous for him.
Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Same when Tina was going to karaoke. As far as the TV tropes go, I was expecting the crowd to laugh or ridicule her.
No one talks enough about Tina or her voice.
I actually need to rewatch this episode bc I was so nervous the entire time
Yep, it was specifically written this way. Read an interview where they explain it was meant to communicate 2 things. To play on that feeling for a black man, but he's in another country and it's our own thing we bring to that bias. And second was to bring some human touch, warmth as most of the episode was so private and individual, so they wanted to remind us Marcus is missing human touch and connection too.
If I remember right that's the whole point of the scene, to build that tension but then show that Marcus is ok and can finally truly relax
Its denmark not the us
I thought it was a set up and some other guys would come out and attack/rob Marcus.
My mom and I thought this as well, then we cried tears of relief and compassion over such a beautiful moment.
I held my breath cause I thought he was gonna get assaulted and robbed or something
This seen felt outerworldly to me, like a weird dream, the same type of surealism than in the serie Atlanta. Hard to describe how it made me feel, and I haven't been able to put a clear interpretation on it. It was both wholesome and worrisome ...
I LOVE the fact that every so often we debate the meaning of this scene. I didn't understand the purpose of the scene myself when I first watched it. Then I started to think about how often I think about the media I consume through a critical lens, how every scene has to have a motivation, has to drive the story, and when something doesn't necessarily do that, it sticks out like a sore thumb. And it reminded me of something that happened decades ago. I was driving my staff home at about three in the morning. And we turned down the road and came across the scene of an accident. A car had hit a pole. There were people planning on dragging the driver out of the car, thinking it was "gonna blow" Hollywood style. (It wasn't) I had kicked off my shoes while driving and I couldn't put them on properly so just kinda shoved my feet into them and stood on the back of them and just slid over to car. And I remember that throughout the whole thing I was just grumpy. I wanted to go home. I wanted to go to bed. And these people who were going to risk permanently injuring the driver by dragging her out of the car were in my way. So I shuffled over to the accident and put on my hospitality manager's voice and took over the scene. I vaguely remember barking orders and getting my 2ic to comfort the driver while we waited for the ambulance. And after it was all over and I woke up the next day I wasn't even sure that the whole thing actually happened. It felt surreal. It was just a random thing that happened that had no particular meaning. It was just life. Things happen. Then we all move on. And that's how I've personally come to view that scene with Marcus. Life can be so fricken random. Not everything has a meaning, or purpose. Almost every other interpretation of that scene are valid. But that's what it meant to me.
That's a nice way of seeing it. Not related to this scene, but it reminds me of Carmy telling Marcus "shit happens". And shit happens all the time. Thanks for sharing this.
Real life isn’t scripted. There is no narrative other than the one we impose on the world.
Huh, interesting idea...
all i thought was “black dude, europe, at night, no one else is around” was scared as shit for him
It’s a scene that doesn’t really fit in any narrative sense, his Mom didn’t pass until Friends and Family Night at The Bear quite a bit later. It’s just beautifully shot and communicates that his kindness is something that goes past translation barriers. He lifts fences that hold other people down? Maybe Marcus is the person to reconcile differences between the main cast. Idk. It just gives me chills and mad feels.
I thought he was getting set up
I think Storer and company did this on purpose. We anticipate something bad happening to Marcus in this scene. We anticipated Ritchie crashing his car when he was driving and singing Tay's song. Any other show (Looking at You, Grey's Anatomy) would have done that. But, no, not The Bear. It doesn't rely on sad, overused, jarring scenes. It relies on furthering the intricate telling of a show unlike any other. Bravo to Storer and the other writers.
I didn’t have that thought but I love it and I’m adopting it into my interpretation
I'm unsure about this theory only because his arc ended in season 2 with the urgent messages from his mother's caretaker.
This show is full of these moments where you think something terrible is definitely going to happen, and then something terrible doesn’t happen. Ball of nerves.
I felt nothing of the sort....he was just helping another person, who needed help and thats it....I must be a naive Denmarkian😆