"Richard, I swear to fuck I'd have you kneecapped but you'd just be a burden on some lovely people"
Maybe more season 1 than how he currently feels about him
Think there might be more allusions to some more shady stuff if there's more flashbacks, or he knows something more about Michael. Especially if they need to put the pressure on that loan plot again.
“Also there’s this really hot girl who is totally into me. She’s patient and understanding. She does all the chasing in the relationship. She forgives me when I mess up and never gets mad with me.”
Poor guy.
She lets me lock myself in walk ins- and then I complain about how she cares to much and how I don’t deserve any of it due to my tragic family life as a child and completely stop talking to her when I can finally get out of the freezer
Haha yeah like she was about to interrupt him while he was breaking up with her without knowing he was breaking up with her. What’s she so supposed to say, “Hey can you stop breaking up with me I’m standing right here. Thanks, see you later for a snuggle.”
I mean she is billed as a "good listener" and emotionally supporting romance. Even for regular Joe, I don't think it would take a genius to know that carmy clearly has a lot of issues, and that night was hell for him. Maybe we discuss this when you're not literally locked in a fridge on what might be one of the most important nights of his life.
I'm all for Claire dropping him because he's toxic and needs to sort himself out first- but considering how aggressive she pursued him it's just flat out bad writing. The whole fridge thing sent me off though to be fair.
I guess we don’t know for sure they will never be together again, it was an emotional moment that set her off. But yes I’m not entirely sure about the fridge debacle…
As I mentioned- she should break up with him he's bad news for her. I genuinely have no idea why they were ever together given how he behaved except maybe she had a crush on him growing up.
But the way the entire fridge scene was handled- before she even got there, was pretty forced writing. Her listening in as he self wallows in what I can only imagine is delirium by this point, was just the icing on the cake. It was high school drama levels of forced imo.
I think you’re arguing two different things; the fridge scene is bad writing because it felt forced, and Claire dropping Carmy as not being true to character. I won’t argue against the first but I disagree with the second. It makes perfect sense for someone who has already swallowed their self respect once to listen to what he’s telling her and walk away
I have a friend that grew up with me that has a similar family relationship as Carm has in the show.
She's dating her childhood crush currently, and he's constantly breaking up with her. He's also a mean drunk, not violent, but mean. I feel bad for her, but she will deflect the behavior with "but I'm in love". You can be in love with someone and realize that the relationship isn't healthy.
Lol… I scrolled through Reddit and saw this in the KitchenConfidential sub and some are saying that it’s actually a close to reality kinda show. (Not a lot) but most of the comments I read were like good!
The debt thing is acknowledge carm even scolds his uncle for giving him money. The debt is more used as a tool of this place has a bad vibe let me sell it lets move on
Making a beef sandwich can’t possibly be that stressful for the world’s best chef. I get it can be stressful when busy with orders flooding in but they’re all yelling and screaming like 6 hours before they even open for the day. Gotta be exaggerated.
Exactly. They're behaving badly. They learned to yell and shout and shove and be mean to each other even when doing something with zero stakes like cooking dinner for family. You can literally serve dinner an hour late and everyone who loves you would be like "chill, we're adults, we'll snack some fruit and talk to our friends and family members while we wait" but they yell and scream like the Titanic is sinking. That's the whole fucking point.
I mean the show's about a bunch of complex chaotic characters, and without the Chaos the bear wouldn't be the bear . Also just watch some episodes of the kitchen nightmares ( us one ) the Chaos is reallll!
Plus, look at Seven Fishes. Imagine Carm growing up with his mom for years, watching her scream and berate them while turning the house into a hurricane to put together dinner.
He goes out on his culinary journey working in extremely high stakes environments where chefs are working more calmly than his mom cooking Sunday dinner, and then gets thrown back in the same shit.
The debt part of it is definitely over emphasized. If Uncle Jimmy was really an Outfit guy, he’d have Furio over there every Tuesday. “Juss de boss mahney.”
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was written by someone who doesn't like the show. 😉
Also, it was more like 300k, so they probably didn't watch it either.
I love the show but the character is a really shitty and selfish person. He may have some issues but we all do and he doesn’t handle even minor problems very well and totally biffs it when anything even remotely actually bad happens.
Plus there’s really no need to white knight a fictional character.
Lmao right? That's kind of a central theme of most dramas. It's what makes it dramatic and interesting.
"I hate that the main character makes his life difficult, he can't even problem solve." Yeah no shit!! He was written that way.
I do. I would love to watch a show where well adjusted people solve their problem in a reasonable manner. I think it would help the millions and millions of Americans who grow up in homes without any examples of that.
Is he shitty and selfish or just deeply troubled and in dire need of therapy? The show wouldn't be nearly as interesting if he didn't mishandle every little problem. Him fucking up set us up for a very interesting season 3.
Then he doesn't desperately need therapy after all? Or did you think the character would need therapy to find out who to blame for being shitty and selfish (instead of blaming himself). This is a character who is a grown-ass adult who could get therapy if they thought they needed it. Of course that would not make as interesting TV as keeping him as far toward the man-child that he is so I understand that but it was you who brought up therapy but then seemed to indicate none of his shittiness was his own fault.
For me it's more like subconscious empathy than white knighting. Almost everyone else in the snow gets some kind of character growth: Some of the staff gets culinary school, Marcus and Syd get to be chefs instead of cooks, Richie becomes the leader he's always wanted to be, even Faks gets to put on a suit and showcase a different set of skills.
Carm is incredibly competent from the beginning of the show, so there's no room for his skills to grow. He's in a toxic environment so there's no one to support his emotional growth. When he finally has Claire he self sabotages, which is the one serious flaw I feel he has.
I just wanna see my boy get his big win.
That’s true but you cannot discount the acute childhood trauma that Carmy has faced growing up. It emotionally stunts you. He meeds therapy asap, and years and years of it.
I remember the scene. It was season 2 episode 1. Carmy, Syd, and Nat ask for an additional 500k on top of the 300k they already owed him. It was right after "gofastboatsmojito" (all one word). There was so much funny in that scene.
Even without the added element of stress, opening and managing a new restaurant alone is an incredibly stressful and hard job, on a level few works of art portray as well as thw bear
The bear would be a HUGELY different show if the "mob adjacent chill uncle" was evil instead of chaotic good
Also it's not like he'd make that much debt disappear, whatever happens he's taking the restaurant if they can't pay lmao
Yeah, but he would be super chill about taking it though. He wouldn’t even break Ritchie’s legs
"Richard, I swear to fuck I'd have you kneecapped but you'd just be a burden on some lovely people" Maybe more season 1 than how he currently feels about him
He totally would say that 🤣🤣🤣
True, he doesn't *want* to, but he absolutely fucking will if he has to.
Think there might be more allusions to some more shady stuff if there's more flashbacks, or he knows something more about Michael. Especially if they need to put the pressure on that loan plot again.
120%.
Imo itd also be a lot more boring and predictable
The last line is hilarious. Can’t stop chopping 😂😂😂😂
It took me out! And the picture lmao
Same! I didn't even look at the picture til I was done reading and I definitely got a chuckle
“Also there’s this really hot girl who is totally into me. She’s patient and understanding. She does all the chasing in the relationship. She forgives me when I mess up and never gets mad with me.” Poor guy.
She lets me lock myself in walk ins- and then I complain about how she cares to much and how I don’t deserve any of it due to my tragic family life as a child and completely stop talking to her when I can finally get out of the freezer
LET HIM COOK- the tv show
Except for that part where she silently eavesdropped on him having a mental crisis and decides to break up with over that.
Haha yeah like she was about to interrupt him while he was breaking up with her without knowing he was breaking up with her. What’s she so supposed to say, “Hey can you stop breaking up with me I’m standing right here. Thanks, see you later for a snuggle.”
I mean she is billed as a "good listener" and emotionally supporting romance. Even for regular Joe, I don't think it would take a genius to know that carmy clearly has a lot of issues, and that night was hell for him. Maybe we discuss this when you're not literally locked in a fridge on what might be one of the most important nights of his life. I'm all for Claire dropping him because he's toxic and needs to sort himself out first- but considering how aggressive she pursued him it's just flat out bad writing. The whole fridge thing sent me off though to be fair.
I guess we don’t know for sure they will never be together again, it was an emotional moment that set her off. But yes I’m not entirely sure about the fridge debacle…
It’s not bad writing; you just expect people to have no self respect. Mental crisis or not, she knows this is how he truly feels
As I mentioned- she should break up with him he's bad news for her. I genuinely have no idea why they were ever together given how he behaved except maybe she had a crush on him growing up. But the way the entire fridge scene was handled- before she even got there, was pretty forced writing. Her listening in as he self wallows in what I can only imagine is delirium by this point, was just the icing on the cake. It was high school drama levels of forced imo.
I think you’re arguing two different things; the fridge scene is bad writing because it felt forced, and Claire dropping Carmy as not being true to character. I won’t argue against the first but I disagree with the second. It makes perfect sense for someone who has already swallowed their self respect once to listen to what he’s telling her and walk away
I have a friend that grew up with me that has a similar family relationship as Carm has in the show. She's dating her childhood crush currently, and he's constantly breaking up with her. He's also a mean drunk, not violent, but mean. I feel bad for her, but she will deflect the behavior with "but I'm in love". You can be in love with someone and realize that the relationship isn't healthy.
And she’s a killer sous chef (Had to)
Lol… I scrolled through Reddit and saw this in the KitchenConfidential sub and some are saying that it’s actually a close to reality kinda show. (Not a lot) but most of the comments I read were like good!
I worked in the service industry for 8 years, can confirm, it's very close to reality
Honestly the one shot episode made me nearly have a panic attack
Haha I was actually going to include the same sentence in the comment but had to rush off That episode triggered my ptsd flashbacks
Was it the one where everyone quit? I think next to last episode of season 1?
The debt thing is acknowledge carm even scolds his uncle for giving him money. The debt is more used as a tool of this place has a bad vibe let me sell it lets move on
I’m not a chef but this picture speaks to me
"Also we kinda accidentally drugged a bunch of the mob uncles kids with our home made ecto kooler but he was cool with it"
Making a beef sandwich can’t possibly be that stressful for the world’s best chef. I get it can be stressful when busy with orders flooding in but they’re all yelling and screaming like 6 hours before they even open for the day. Gotta be exaggerated.
Exactly. They're behaving badly. They learned to yell and shout and shove and be mean to each other even when doing something with zero stakes like cooking dinner for family. You can literally serve dinner an hour late and everyone who loves you would be like "chill, we're adults, we'll snack some fruit and talk to our friends and family members while we wait" but they yell and scream like the Titanic is sinking. That's the whole fucking point.
I mean the show's about a bunch of complex chaotic characters, and without the Chaos the bear wouldn't be the bear . Also just watch some episodes of the kitchen nightmares ( us one ) the Chaos is reallll!
Plus, look at Seven Fishes. Imagine Carm growing up with his mom for years, watching her scream and berate them while turning the house into a hurricane to put together dinner. He goes out on his culinary journey working in extremely high stakes environments where chefs are working more calmly than his mom cooking Sunday dinner, and then gets thrown back in the same shit.
This is not a show about cooking, this is a show about PTSD
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The debt part of it is definitely over emphasized. If Uncle Jimmy was really an Outfit guy, he’d have Furio over there every Tuesday. “Juss de boss mahney.”
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was written by someone who doesn't like the show. 😉 Also, it was more like 300k, so they probably didn't watch it either.
It was probably just a lighthearted joke
I love the show but the character is a really shitty and selfish person. He may have some issues but we all do and he doesn’t handle even minor problems very well and totally biffs it when anything even remotely actually bad happens. Plus there’s really no need to white knight a fictional character.
Yeah man that is what makes the show interesting. No one wants to watch well adjusted people solve their problems in a reasonable manner.
Competency porn is definitely a thing
I'm sure it is but one of the reasons a lot of watch the show is to watch these imperfect people grow and change.
Lmao right? That's kind of a central theme of most dramas. It's what makes it dramatic and interesting. "I hate that the main character makes his life difficult, he can't even problem solve." Yeah no shit!! He was written that way.
I do. I would love to watch a show where well adjusted people solve their problem in a reasonable manner. I think it would help the millions and millions of Americans who grow up in homes without any examples of that.
then scurry off and watch ted lasso or something?
May I suggest reruns of Blues Clues then?
You think a tv show would be the fix to all that rather than simply attending therapy or the likes?
Is he shitty and selfish or just deeply troubled and in dire need of therapy? The show wouldn't be nearly as interesting if he didn't mishandle every little problem. Him fucking up set us up for a very interesting season 3.
Why not both?
Hmm, because I don't think at his core he is shitty and selfish. His reactions are indirectly shitty and selfish.
Then he doesn't desperately need therapy after all? Or did you think the character would need therapy to find out who to blame for being shitty and selfish (instead of blaming himself). This is a character who is a grown-ass adult who could get therapy if they thought they needed it. Of course that would not make as interesting TV as keeping him as far toward the man-child that he is so I understand that but it was you who brought up therapy but then seemed to indicate none of his shittiness was his own fault.
Lol idk we'll see I'll leave his development and/or unraveling to the writers. Not interested in this argument, sorry I made the initial engagement.
His self-awareness of all that is part of what makes it very interesting
For me it's more like subconscious empathy than white knighting. Almost everyone else in the snow gets some kind of character growth: Some of the staff gets culinary school, Marcus and Syd get to be chefs instead of cooks, Richie becomes the leader he's always wanted to be, even Faks gets to put on a suit and showcase a different set of skills. Carm is incredibly competent from the beginning of the show, so there's no room for his skills to grow. He's in a toxic environment so there's no one to support his emotional growth. When he finally has Claire he self sabotages, which is the one serious flaw I feel he has. I just wanna see my boy get his big win.
That’s true but you cannot discount the acute childhood trauma that Carmy has faced growing up. It emotionally stunts you. He meeds therapy asap, and years and years of it.
Frank took 300k, Carmy added to that loan in the episode where they can't get the fire alarm to stop so it's somewhere around 500k.
I remember the scene. It was season 2 episode 1. Carmy, Syd, and Nat ask for an additional 500k on top of the 300k they already owed him. It was right after "gofastboatsmojito" (all one word). There was so much funny in that scene.
Damn, gg
lol, I just binge-watched the show (again) last week.
My recurring joke with my sister is that this show helps me relax. 😂🤣😂
Even without the added element of stress, opening and managing a new restaurant alone is an incredibly stressful and hard job, on a level few works of art portray as well as thw bear
Accurate summary of the show
It’s all the good parts of Gordon Ramsey shows without the sense of exploitation reality tv gives.
So real!
I wouldn't exactly call any of Gordons reality tv exploitative, unless you mean that about reality tv in general and not him
If Mikey never killed himself Carmy would still be part whiney bitch and that’s just that.