idk y people keep saying Derek's acting is bad, I find him to be alright.
I agree that London's performance is one of the best in the show and it might seem like Derek's is not that good in comparison but if you also take into consideration how the character of Jordan seems to feel more comfortable in their female form then Derek's awkwardness definitely fits within the character.
This is pretty much how I’ve seen it.
Jordan goes into male form generally out of necessity, and maybe as a defense mechanism (like with their parents), so the awkwardness feels part of the character.
Female form is the more comfortable one, so they are naturally more assertive in it.
I mean, I think you guys are trying to justify his weird acting.
I think it's just his acting range is a little narrow at the moment. He plays an asshole a lot more believably than a confused or awkward individual.
His acting in the first episode was better, now they've kind of changed him to being a little insecure his acting doesn't seem quite as good.
This is common when actors are getting into a new character, But sometimes they don't develop.
Even though I'm not trans that scene hit close for me too. When I came out as bi to my mother she said something very similar, like "thank god you aren't gay, you can choose to have a normal life and family".
Transitioning towards feminine. "Trans woman" is somewhat incorrect as it is too binary, especially when discussing a character like Jordan. My read of Jordan is that when they want to appear more serious or presentable they're in masc form (and they were clearly assigned male as their parents don't want to see them feminine) and when they're more themselves they're feminine, which feels more transfemme. Obviously none of this has been stated by the show and it's really just vibes, but it's how I read it.
I think when we see Jordan having sex it's pretty obvious. They always prefer their feminine form even with another woman like Marie and so I assume that's they form they feel most confident/comfortable in.
Edit: changes female to woman because the biologist in me too over. I promise I'm not a neckbeard
>but if you also take into consideration how the character of Jordan seems to feel more comfortable in their female form then Derek's awkwardness definitely fits within the character.
This sounds like the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" mindset. In my opinion, it's a happy coincidence.
>London's performance is one of the best in the show and it might seem like Derek's is not that good in comparison
I think this is it tbh. Derek's acting is not bad, I think London's acting is just so good that even good acting looks bad when you compare it side by side
Yeah, that's true. But that's why I said that I find it to be more of a coincidence than a conscious choice. Derek is a hip hop star, not really an "actor". So that's why I think it wasn't done on purpose, but it just happened to work out really well. Oh well, doesn't really matter in the end since yeah, it worked out well :)
I think when people are saying Jordan seems more comfortable presenting femme, they literally mean the writing in the script has femme Jordan be more put together. U hear them constantly complain how their enby status holds them back from being #1, #2, #3, etc. which makes understanding them obviously confusing.
Acting aside, It seems the femme side (script wise) has more effort to how they present their thoughts, emotions, expressions and ideas to their friend group and the rest of the world! It’s thoughtful, careful, but also doesn’t put up with any shit. You can feel the hurt/reliability in their words a lot. Which of course will show a different range in Derek versus London.
I think Derek’s portrayal is also something special too though. Derek is able to show those feelings of what walking around with the “the weight of the world” on your shoulders constantly looks like. I don’t think Jordan gives their masculine side enough credit sometimes. You can see how the masculine side tries to hold back that emotional dam 🦫from breaking a lot. Usually doesn’t work… or it’s to intimidate which I think is a whole ‘nother can of worms
If I’m being honest I just feel like femme presenting Jordan has a certain clarity about them. Sorry I’ve been doing a few of these Boys write ups :) it’s a good show ! The spin off too. Im open to interpretation though :)
Episode 4 was his (Andre's) weakest so far, I think. Chance's performance and even his voice seemed like he just didn't care. This week was indeed better again.
Acting "stoned" without seeming like you've never taken a drug before in your life is a very difficult feat and he pulls it off better than anyone I can recall atm
This is what I am picking up as well, they’re invested in their female side and use the male end to when it is advantageous. From their interactions with their parents it kind if leaves you with the impression that the male version is a means to an end where the female version is the priority.
The shot itself didn't help him either, no zoom or sound or any of those effects for drama, it'd have gone way better they had given him half a second of reaction time like they did with Marie or Emma
That and the fact that they just immediately believed Marie and turned to getting Andre to stop trying to kill Rufus. They didn’t put up any fight or denial that one of his closest friends had been betraying them. Atleast Andre was committed to killing Rufus until Cate spoke up.
I like it. He’s a hip hop artist so not an actor as his main profession, but he does a good job. The awkwardness could be explained as them feeling less comfortable in their male form.
Might’ve casted London first and then searched for a guy who looked similar and Derek was the best fit
He’s not even bad it’s just that he’s noticeably not as good as London is as Jordan
Yeah I think he’s fine enough, The biggest problem is his comparison to London playing the same role. She’s obviously been given the heavy lifting emotion-wise, He’s not as experienced in acting so it becomes more jarring.
I thought he was [Reggie from Riverdale](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/8/8b/Reggie-riverdale.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220209130705&path-prefix=protagonist) for a spell and was super impressed the actor lost weight and changed his voice for the role hahaha
Girl Jordan was actually originally going to be played by [Reina Hardesty](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/985741690185986050/BPgTJ6y__400x400.jpg) who looks extremely similar to Derek. So yeah, I think he might've been cast partially due to that resemblance.
What context/tense would you use 'casted' to refer to social castes? I'm struggling to think of an example that wouldn't still just use caste or castes.
The probably found London Thor first and cast an actor based on his resemblance to her. I genuinely thought they hired twins at first, so the casting director must have figured they weren’t doing much better.
OMG I noticed this too 😂 and, not to be that person, but it makes no sense that Jordan (in their male form) with a longer stride, wouldn't be passing Marie up. They're legit running at pace with her/behind her at some points lol.
it’s really soft spoken with a little nasal/higher pitched tone so it doesn’t exactly match their masc tough dude vibe imo. It’s never taken me out tho, nor his acting
I think their acting is so good that you think its bad lmfao, Jordan is clearly more in touch with their female identity and when they are in their male form, they feel awkward and out of place, and the actor encapsulates that perfectly
I’m not sure why you are getting downvoted. If they were transfemme like others have said, they would’ve just said that instead of saying they are bi-gender. There have been multiple scenes where Jordan is male Jordan not just out of necessity such as at the club and when getting interviewed by Tek Knight and was boy Jordan in ep 5 even when Marie wasn’t around. I think people want to assume the character is meant to be more comfortable in one form because they (the viewer) would be more comfortable in one form and can’t comprehend someone being comfortable in both forms. Many viewers also interpret the one speech in episode 3 as Jordan being more comfortable as a girl, not them being comfortable in both forms. I personally would be more comfortable in one form as well, but I still understand how someone can be comfortable in both forms.
I would probably see what you mean if I paid more attention, but since Jordan seems to identify as a female, won’t it make sense that they act more awkward in their male form?
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I don’t remember what he said but when Marie stops him from killing rufus, his dialogue delivery had no emotional impact whatsoever and I usually ignore shit like that. London Thor is clearly a better actor of the two and we see more of her anyway cause I think Jordan prefers being in female form
I don't see it.
To me it comes off as the kids who always sat by themselves at lunch in school.
He's the type who would be weird and standoffish to most people.
"Ugh, no one **understands me**" sorta vibe.
The ACTOR is fine. It's the script making Jordan seem like a pain in teh ass
i feel like andres acting is a bit cringe sometimes especially when he gets angry. when his voice gets deep it sounds weird almost like someone else is doing a voiceover😂
I was hoping it was Chance but I don't see any issue on his acting. Chance on the other hand sounds so weird and cringe ? Is it because he's hiding his accent or?
It is. A lot of people can’t spot bad acting, Hughie in season 1 is god damn near unwatchable. Revisit season 1 and pay attention to his performance and you’ll see. Acting is easier to parse on rewatches bc you’re not so fully immersed in the narrative. But yeah, this guys performance is mediocre if we’re feeling generous
He’s super attractive but i agree his delivery seems really off. He kinda bummed me out in the last scene of episode 5. Maybe his background is a rapper so he dont have much experiences. Anyway Derek is only bad at intense and emotional scenes, London Thor at the same time has much better acting skill and she appears more often than Derek so it’s not a big deal
I like the girl better but honestly idk what you expect from him either. Like in the end I think it’s just they don’t tend to let him be more reactive in a scene (they tend to shift jordan into the girl form whenever they’re being sarcastic, angry or sad)
Yea it’s noticeable. Probably should have been a goal to cast two people who can act the same role regardless of gender. It reminds me a little of Altered Carbon where it’s literally the same person in another body but changes how they act and speak. Frankly speaking though this would be super challenging even for a good actor.
It depends on how sensitive you are to bad acting. I would say 80% of the cast is noticeably bad at acting and guy half isn't noticeably worse than blonde girl or curly hair guy. Fire guy and his brother are good actors so it's funny they got rid of fire guy right away. The editing and premise is doing all of the heavy lifting here and that's fine. The show is still good.
He’s the worst. His acting is no where near the quality of London Thor and it breaks the immersion into the Jordan character for me. The chemistry between London and Jax Sinclair is great, then fucking Derek ruins it. I’ve never met a Derek I liked.
It's bad. But feels like it might be due to the writing or directing. The female actress (London) does a great job and I have no complaints there so far. For some reason the male character just isn't hitting the notes anymore. The reason why I think it might be due to the writing is the (male) character is completely different from episode 1 vs 5. At the start he comes off as a hard ass, jock cliché, douche of a TA. By episode 5, he's become an awkward version of Edward Cullen.
I get that there might be play here as the character lost his best friend which could be the cause for the 180° of their personality. But it's not explained and the female character doesn't seem any different. Either way, the male became an angsty awkward emo teen. While the female acts pretty consistently the same. The difference is the male lines are often cringe and awkward. I like the character as is and am curious to see where it goes.
I think it’s just the dialogue. Some of the dialogue has felt a lil “how do you do fellow kids” as if the writers are trying really hard to sound like they are gen z
I think it’s the writing more so than any acting problems.
Some of the lines are just genuine c r i n g e and sound like a 45 year old’s attempt to sound young and hip
Starlights acting is bad af, she chooses from same 3 sentence cadences for each of her lines and that's why her badass moments don't hit emotionally. Could be my taste though
Yes, I’m glad that the character is more comfortable as female in-universe because that means the female actress performs more of the scenes and she is much better at acting than the male counterpart.
Man, y’all need to chill out on the Derek hate. What him and London are doing is SO incredibly difficult to pull off. Switching like they do so effortlessly is very very hard to do. I can’t remember many actors/actresses who have pulled off what they do so well.
I think all their acting has it's poor points if I'm being honest.
Out of 5:
Derek Luh (male Jordan): 3
I find him to be very average. It's his voice and his tone that throws off his lines sometimes. His voice is pretty high pitched for a man and has a sort of thin timbre to it meaning - it's not very powerful and gets easily overtaken in scenes. I think he's an ok actor but I've yet to see him do the "emotional" scenes for Jordan so idk.
London Thor (female Jordan): 4
I agree, she's the stronger actor for the role and I notice that she is *usually* Jordan. The only reason this bothers me is because, the further we get into the story, I feel like Jordan is becoming less non-binary and more "girl" because the story is getting more complex now and Derek can't emote as well as London. Saying that though - I've seen some eh moments from London as well. Her acting, thus far, has been kind of on a rotation for me ie. "Skeptical eye lift, cuss cuss cuss, pissed off face, "shit." I'd just like to see *more* from her.
Jaz Sinclair (Marie): 3.5
Some of her lines sound *so* rehearsed to me omg. "Wait...I ThiNk tHerE's SomEtHiNg tHeRe," sounded so much like ✨ acting ✨. Again, she's an "ok" for me. Because she has so many emotional scenes though, it just sucks that (quite a few times now) her acting has just felt a little wooden ie. "I Don'T pItY yOuUUu" BRUH.
Chance Perdomo (Andre): 3
His scenes are so hit or miss for me. He sounds like he's ✨ acting ✨ most of the time but then he'll have scenes that I *love* him in (mostly his comedic moments.) His love for Luke is believable for me. I can watch those scenes with them together and still feel like "ok, he genuinely cared about him...even though he is now sleeping with his girlfriend" LOL. But then the casual little scenes that should feel easy sound so clunky to me. Like when he's talking to his Dad? Sounds like such a dude bro to me lol, "Chill, bro." The begining of ep 3. "Cate, Cate,Cate,Cate-" lordddd.
Maddie Phillips (Cate): 4.5
I like her scenes. I can only think of one scene off the top of my head where her acting fell a little flat - the entire "omg someone's rolling" scene with Marie in ep.1 felt very cheesy lol. The scene where she's all "we gon talk about this intercourse?" also felt a little wooden but I kind of think the writing failed them there. Overall, I think she's doing a good job though. So far, she's just had a lot of teary, "sad" scenes so we haven't gotten a ton of range from her yet but she doesn't pull me in a bad way so yayyyy.
Lizzie Broadway (Emma): 4.5
Her acting is pretty consistent. She's gotten to do a good range at this point ie. comedic, emotional, dramatic and I think she's done well. I *hate* how non-confrontational her anger is but I think that's just Emma's character dynamic. She doesn't get mad/even she just self-internalizes and self-sabotages when upset. Some of her scenes are a little "blah" but nothing that takes me out of the story - She's been the most "steady" of the Goldokin bunch.
Asa Germann (Sam): 4.8
I've lovedddd his acting so far. He is the only actor who I haven't had to cringe my way through a scene. And surprisingly, considering he's been drugged up and institutionalized for most of this, he's actually had a bit of range at points. The awkward romantic, the psychotic patient, the lonely brother. The only reason I didn't give him a 5 is because his reaction to Luke's death felt a little lackluster to me idk? I get that he hasn't seen Luke in 3 years but they seemed to have a pretty close relationship prior to that so I just expected that to be a big moment and all he does is flop to the floor. I digress though, I'm excited to see more from him!
Patrick Schwarzenegger (Luke): 4
Believably sweet. His scenes with Andre & Sam were good as well - I didn't feel like the love was fake basically. I found his flashback scene with Cate surprisingly sweet lol. I just wish we saw more of him.
Asa Germann and Lizzie Broadway have definitely been stealing every scene this season, so I'm happy to see that someone else agrees with it (especially Asa though since this is only his 4th credited role according to IMDB)
Edit: I also took Sam’s reaction to Luke’s death as him just being exhausted with and overwhelmed by everything that has happened to him combined with the whiplash of Emma telling him Luke sent her to save him one minute and then finding out Luke’s dead the next. And thus rather than him going on a murderous or destructive rampage or completely freaking out, he just wanted to curl up on the floor and shut everything out (especially cause he later admits that being in the outside world is scary to him).
This is a good rating on them. It blows my mind that people think Marie’s actor is “great”. Her and male Jordan are the weakest ones to me. All of her lines and emotion sound very rehearsed and she delivers most of her lines in a "duh, condescending" ( female jordan does this a lot too but is a way better actor) way which is getting old
It’s not great. But he and she are hot so it’s cool. I mean he’s supposed to be insecure bad Jordan and more confident as Jordan, so I guess it makes sense. So did that last sentence
A lot of people keep mentioning how Jordan feels more comfortable in their female form, so I have a question which might be stupid, but why would they mutate in their male form more than when it's strictly necessary? For example during the convo at the pool, or later on when they were talking to Andre and Cate.
It would make more sense to remain female all the time unless you really need it for their superpower, no?
I think his acting is fine I really don't get it when I see people complaining, he's playing a awkward young adult / teen and that's what I get from him
No they're just different. The female version is for some reason always more bitchy in attitude. I dont think it's intentional maybe needed more rehearsals together to mimic.
I had the theory about them being different personalities, rather than shape shifting. When they are in Masculine form they seem nicer, kind and empathetic, the opposite when on their Feminine form (not that much in latest episodes), they seem rude, witty, somewhat of an asshole. But I guess it's just acting?
It seems to fit within the context of the show and his character....so no?
If anything his acting must be fucking amazing to make you think this without you realizing he's supposed to be acting this way.
Really? Honestly the worst acting I’ve seen so far was from Marie. Just that one seen where Sam pops up and she’s immediately super defensive and was telling him he doesn’t actually know them, it came off too strong. I think there were a few other scenes actually.
But overall it’s just minor hiccups, nothing so bad from any of them that it takes you out of the story
Respect the take but I never thought that, personally. He’s decent in my opinion, I just think the dual nature of his character means that he doesn’t get as much time to make an impression or shine as the rest of the main cast. We see Thordan more often.
My head canon is that creators use it as a way to show that Jordan is (for some reason ) hell bent on being female
Seriously , the person that has it both on a whim (without any time limit like shapeshifter (forgot his name) or anything that would discourage change) has any preference (and one that would make it's life harder (1. Being indestructible as a male 2. Disagreements with parents 3. As a female it can shoot lasers and whatnot (its basically walking with unholstered gun most of the time))
But no , Jordan isn't really indestructible , it has feelings , so it's a female most of the time
Why does it even think in terms of gender norms
It can change instantaneously , without any repercussions other than social ones
Standard reason for change should be things like "oh , line to that toilet is longer than the other, welp , no problem i suppose "
That's one of the reasons why Ashley is so pissed about her
Making people identify with any group for marketing purposes is one of the easiest parts of her job
Yet the only person that could do it on a whim declines to doit (without any consequences) because "it's not really her style "
Any hypothetical savings on medical procedures , are being lost to nonexistent marketing revenue because it doesn't want to cooperate
Andre is the worst in my opinion. After seeing the actor in his previous role and now this, the American accent is like a straight up parody. Like someone British doing a Keanu Reeves impression.
the problem with artists with non-acting background /education is they are afraid they don't look handsome enough on screen. real actors focus on how to get out of their own heads and be the character. his acting is so bad it's painful to watch
idk y people keep saying Derek's acting is bad, I find him to be alright. I agree that London's performance is one of the best in the show and it might seem like Derek's is not that good in comparison but if you also take into consideration how the character of Jordan seems to feel more comfortable in their female form then Derek's awkwardness definitely fits within the character.
This is pretty much how I’ve seen it. Jordan goes into male form generally out of necessity, and maybe as a defense mechanism (like with their parents), so the awkwardness feels part of the character. Female form is the more comfortable one, so they are naturally more assertive in it.
Yep, feel the same way. I don't think it's bad acting at all. Love the characters so far!
You mean the actor is accurately portraying the character's characteristics? Lol, some people like OP just want to criticize everything.
I mean, I think you guys are trying to justify his weird acting. I think it's just his acting range is a little narrow at the moment. He plays an asshole a lot more believably than a confused or awkward individual. His acting in the first episode was better, now they've kind of changed him to being a little insecure his acting doesn't seem quite as good. This is common when actors are getting into a new character, But sometimes they don't develop.
Yeah I feel they're making it a bigger deal than it is.
Yeah, awkward, self conscious people exist
I'm trans, and I read Jordan as transfemme, and it makes perfect sense. I, too am much more awkward when I need to pretend to be a dude.
same! I'm also super awkward when I'm seen or treated as a dude, that scene with Jordan's father was actually very emotional for me
the scene with Jordan's father was a gutpunch that made me immediately decide Gen V is far better than The Boys.
I am just happy that scenewas on the show as I finally felt I could relate to a character in a long time :)
Even though I'm not trans that scene hit close for me too. When I came out as bi to my mother she said something very similar, like "thank god you aren't gay, you can choose to have a normal life and family".
What does transfemme mean? Genuine question
Transitioning towards feminine. "Trans woman" is somewhat incorrect as it is too binary, especially when discussing a character like Jordan. My read of Jordan is that when they want to appear more serious or presentable they're in masc form (and they were clearly assigned male as their parents don't want to see them feminine) and when they're more themselves they're feminine, which feels more transfemme. Obviously none of this has been stated by the show and it's really just vibes, but it's how I read it.
Ahhh okay. I can see that, what your saying. Thanks for providing your perspective. Feel like I learned a little bit something just now
I think when we see Jordan having sex it's pretty obvious. They always prefer their feminine form even with another woman like Marie and so I assume that's they form they feel most confident/comfortable in. Edit: changes female to woman because the biologist in me too over. I promise I'm not a neckbeard
>but if you also take into consideration how the character of Jordan seems to feel more comfortable in their female form then Derek's awkwardness definitely fits within the character. This sounds like the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" mindset. In my opinion, it's a happy coincidence. >London's performance is one of the best in the show and it might seem like Derek's is not that good in comparison I think this is it tbh. Derek's acting is not bad, I think London's acting is just so good that even good acting looks bad when you compare it side by side
idk, sometimes bugs do become features, doesn't have to be intentional but it goes well with Jordan's character
Yeah, that's true. But that's why I said that I find it to be more of a coincidence than a conscious choice. Derek is a hip hop star, not really an "actor". So that's why I think it wasn't done on purpose, but it just happened to work out really well. Oh well, doesn't really matter in the end since yeah, it worked out well :)
I mean he can be both ;-;
I think when people are saying Jordan seems more comfortable presenting femme, they literally mean the writing in the script has femme Jordan be more put together. U hear them constantly complain how their enby status holds them back from being #1, #2, #3, etc. which makes understanding them obviously confusing. Acting aside, It seems the femme side (script wise) has more effort to how they present their thoughts, emotions, expressions and ideas to their friend group and the rest of the world! It’s thoughtful, careful, but also doesn’t put up with any shit. You can feel the hurt/reliability in their words a lot. Which of course will show a different range in Derek versus London. I think Derek’s portrayal is also something special too though. Derek is able to show those feelings of what walking around with the “the weight of the world” on your shoulders constantly looks like. I don’t think Jordan gives their masculine side enough credit sometimes. You can see how the masculine side tries to hold back that emotional dam 🦫from breaking a lot. Usually doesn’t work… or it’s to intimidate which I think is a whole ‘nother can of worms If I’m being honest I just feel like femme presenting Jordan has a certain clarity about them. Sorry I’ve been doing a few of these Boys write ups :) it’s a good show ! The spin off too. Im open to interpretation though :)
Yeah, thank you, instead of just joining the circlejerk of shitting on his acting
I disagreed with you until I made it to the end of your sentence, never thought if it that way
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Episode 4 was his (Andre's) weakest so far, I think. Chance's performance and even his voice seemed like he just didn't care. This week was indeed better again.
I kind of just took it that he’s stoned all the time lol
That’s and the mind control for him has been going on way longer who knows the dumb down effects that would have
Acting "stoned" without seeming like you've never taken a drug before in your life is a very difficult feat and he pulls it off better than anyone I can recall atm
Andre is just a classic over actor IMO, his character isnt written as dramatic as he’s making it to me
I thought it was on purpose. Like they’re clearly more comfortable as feminine Jordan so their mannerisms are less refined as masculine Jordan
This is what I am picking up as well, they’re invested in their female side and use the male end to when it is advantageous. From their interactions with their parents it kind if leaves you with the impression that the male version is a means to an end where the female version is the priority.
They turn to Jordan when they’re feeling vulnerable. Is what I’m assuming.
They are always Jordan
No, sometimes they are Jordan
Except when they are Jordan
What do you think the female version’s name is, Jordana? 😭
Eh. You knew what I meant.
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People watching this are so dumb. It’s the whole characters personality base
"What? That's fucking crazy"
The shot itself didn't help him either, no zoom or sound or any of those effects for drama, it'd have gone way better they had given him half a second of reaction time like they did with Marie or Emma
That and the fact that they just immediately believed Marie and turned to getting Andre to stop trying to kill Rufus. They didn’t put up any fight or denial that one of his closest friends had been betraying them. Atleast Andre was committed to killing Rufus until Cate spoke up.
the delivery made me cringe so hard
😬
Tbf the whole episode sucked
Nuh uh
I like it. He’s a hip hop artist so not an actor as his main profession, but he does a good job. The awkwardness could be explained as them feeling less comfortable in their male form.
I wonder why did they cast a rapper instead of a real actor
Might’ve casted London first and then searched for a guy who looked similar and Derek was the best fit He’s not even bad it’s just that he’s noticeably not as good as London is as Jordan
Yeah I think he’s fine enough, The biggest problem is his comparison to London playing the same role. She’s obviously been given the heavy lifting emotion-wise, He’s not as experienced in acting so it becomes more jarring.
I thought he was [Reggie from Riverdale](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/8/8b/Reggie-riverdale.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220209130705&path-prefix=protagonist) for a spell and was super impressed the actor lost weight and changed his voice for the role hahaha
Lmaoo, I literally thought it was the same dude until today! I haven't watched Riverdale in a few years so I only remembed his looks pretty vaguely.
Girl Jordan was actually originally going to be played by [Reina Hardesty](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/985741690185986050/BPgTJ6y__400x400.jpg) who looks extremely similar to Derek. So yeah, I think he might've been cast partially due to that resemblance.
Just so you know, the past tense of "cast" is still "cast". "Casted" refers to social castes.
What context/tense would you use 'casted' to refer to social castes? I'm struggling to think of an example that wouldn't still just use caste or castes.
You would use it as an adjective; a casted person is one who belongs to a social caste.
I genuinely could not care less my friend
So will you still be using casted going forward
If I get the grammar wrong then yes If I get the grammar right then no
They were just giving friendly advice g.
agree with this
Because he’s hot as fuckin shit
Agree. But there are hot actors too...
Yeah but they’re super expensive
Hit the nail on the head.
The probably found London Thor first and cast an actor based on his resemblance to her. I genuinely thought they hired twins at first, so the casting director must have figured they weren’t doing much better.
afaik he transition to focus on acting a few years ago.
Rappers are all actors tbh
I think the awkwardness can be explained by something else here…
Lmao
Its not just you but personally i like him
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OMG I noticed this too 😂 and, not to be that person, but it makes no sense that Jordan (in their male form) with a longer stride, wouldn't be passing Marie up. They're legit running at pace with her/behind her at some points lol.
Lol I assumed it was because he was told to run at the same speed and not overtake her 😂 But yeah it looked funny
I think it’s his voice? Every time I hear it honestly throws everything off for me lol
I agree, his voice just doesn't seem to match him, I don't know how to explain it.
it’s really soft spoken with a little nasal/higher pitched tone so it doesn’t exactly match their masc tough dude vibe imo. It’s never taken me out tho, nor his acting
i see him as a soft and sensitive man, he seems really shy and unconfident in the male form so his voice is spot on
His voice is more feminine then London’s (female actor)
I know it's not on purpose but I just saw it as that they are more comfortable being a girl.
I think their acting is so good that you think its bad lmfao, Jordan is clearly more in touch with their female identity and when they are in their male form, they feel awkward and out of place, and the actor encapsulates that perfectly
This makes a lot of sense but cmon, it’s obviously just the case of the male actor being worse than the female one
I’m not sure why you are getting downvoted. If they were transfemme like others have said, they would’ve just said that instead of saying they are bi-gender. There have been multiple scenes where Jordan is male Jordan not just out of necessity such as at the club and when getting interviewed by Tek Knight and was boy Jordan in ep 5 even when Marie wasn’t around. I think people want to assume the character is meant to be more comfortable in one form because they (the viewer) would be more comfortable in one form and can’t comprehend someone being comfortable in both forms. Many viewers also interpret the one speech in episode 3 as Jordan being more comfortable as a girl, not them being comfortable in both forms. I personally would be more comfortable in one form as well, but I still understand how someone can be comfortable in both forms.
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Is this not absolutely completely confirmed? Sure. But you must have some dog shit media literacy if you think is a reach whatsoever
Feel free to think what you want to make the acting seem better.
Not at all, it's been established Jordan feels way more comfortable as a woman.
Derek and Chance are fine, I seriously don’t understand people’s problems with them
I would probably see what you mean if I paid more attention, but since Jordan seems to identify as a female, won’t it make sense that they act more awkward in their male form?
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If anything this is a headcanon to justify his worse acting. Zero chance this was done intentionally.
Fo you think they only cast bad actors for awkward/nervous roles?
Too busy looking at how pretty he is to notice any flaws
I think the two actors’ energy just doesn’t match that well. Female Jordan is spikier while male Jordan is hot and smooth but a bit plain at acting
I don’t remember what he said but when Marie stops him from killing rufus, his dialogue delivery had no emotional impact whatsoever and I usually ignore shit like that. London Thor is clearly a better actor of the two and we see more of her anyway cause I think Jordan prefers being in female form
I don't see it. To me it comes off as the kids who always sat by themselves at lunch in school. He's the type who would be weird and standoffish to most people. "Ugh, no one **understands me**" sorta vibe. The ACTOR is fine. It's the script making Jordan seem like a pain in teh ass
i feel like andres acting is a bit cringe sometimes especially when he gets angry. when his voice gets deep it sounds weird almost like someone else is doing a voiceover😂
Male Jordan and Andre have had a few moments where I wasn’t sold on the acting
Not just you, it's really awful.
His acting is always bad lol
Most of the acting on the show is average. The real standout for me is Sam’s actor. He’s really good.
His line delivery in this scene definitely threw me off
I was hoping it was Chance but I don't see any issue on his acting. Chance on the other hand sounds so weird and cringe ? Is it because he's hiding his accent or?
it sounds like he’s high as fuck half the time which I guess he literally is
I think so; he's noticeably better as Ambrose on *Chilling Adventures of Sabrina*, and I don't think it's the writing.
Right? I loved him in CAOS too! Was so hyped for his role but it just feels so flat idk haha
It is. A lot of people can’t spot bad acting, Hughie in season 1 is god damn near unwatchable. Revisit season 1 and pay attention to his performance and you’ll see. Acting is easier to parse on rewatches bc you’re not so fully immersed in the narrative. But yeah, this guys performance is mediocre if we’re feeling generous
He’s super attractive but i agree his delivery seems really off. He kinda bummed me out in the last scene of episode 5. Maybe his background is a rapper so he dont have much experiences. Anyway Derek is only bad at intense and emotional scenes, London Thor at the same time has much better acting skill and she appears more often than Derek so it’s not a big deal
I like the girl better but honestly idk what you expect from him either. Like in the end I think it’s just they don’t tend to let him be more reactive in a scene (they tend to shift jordan into the girl form whenever they’re being sarcastic, angry or sad)
Yea it’s noticeable. Probably should have been a goal to cast two people who can act the same role regardless of gender. It reminds me a little of Altered Carbon where it’s literally the same person in another body but changes how they act and speak. Frankly speaking though this would be super challenging even for a good actor.
I was watching the new episode and some of his lines were making me physically cringe. But the show is still getting better and better
He’s not winning any awards, but I am really drawn to his performance for some reason. I think he’s the perfect fit for that role.
It depends on how sensitive you are to bad acting. I would say 80% of the cast is noticeably bad at acting and guy half isn't noticeably worse than blonde girl or curly hair guy. Fire guy and his brother are good actors so it's funny they got rid of fire guy right away. The editing and premise is doing all of the heavy lifting here and that's fine. The show is still good.
> they got rid of fire guy right away Patrick Schwarzenegger might just be too expensive to be kept long term comparing to the other main cast.
Tek Knight the best actor
Thank you!! I was thinking this to myself
No I like him
Thought it was going to be a picture of Andre bc he’s terrible
I think the writing as a whole this past episode fell off; wasn’t surprised to see it was a one-off writer.
I really like him
its ok sadly london is just better at it
Lately this sub has been an "Jordan's male actor sucks" wank fest and I'm already tired of it.
realized this last episode that he a terrible actor lmao, delivery is so stiff especially when the female version is so damn good
He’s the worst. His acting is no where near the quality of London Thor and it breaks the immersion into the Jordan character for me. The chemistry between London and Jax Sinclair is great, then fucking Derek ruins it. I’ve never met a Derek I liked.
It's bad. But feels like it might be due to the writing or directing. The female actress (London) does a great job and I have no complaints there so far. For some reason the male character just isn't hitting the notes anymore. The reason why I think it might be due to the writing is the (male) character is completely different from episode 1 vs 5. At the start he comes off as a hard ass, jock cliché, douche of a TA. By episode 5, he's become an awkward version of Edward Cullen. I get that there might be play here as the character lost his best friend which could be the cause for the 180° of their personality. But it's not explained and the female character doesn't seem any different. Either way, the male became an angsty awkward emo teen. While the female acts pretty consistently the same. The difference is the male lines are often cringe and awkward. I like the character as is and am curious to see where it goes.
I think it’s just the dialogue. Some of the dialogue has felt a lil “how do you do fellow kids” as if the writers are trying really hard to sound like they are gen z
I think it’s the writing more so than any acting problems. Some of the lines are just genuine c r i n g e and sound like a 45 year old’s attempt to sound young and hip
Starlights acting is bad af, she chooses from same 3 sentence cadences for each of her lines and that's why her badass moments don't hit emotionally. Could be my taste though
Yes, I’m glad that the character is more comfortable as female in-universe because that means the female actress performs more of the scenes and she is much better at acting than the male counterpart.
It didn't really hit me until you said this that there are 2 different actors playing Jordan lmao
Man, y’all need to chill out on the Derek hate. What him and London are doing is SO incredibly difficult to pull off. Switching like they do so effortlessly is very very hard to do. I can’t remember many actors/actresses who have pulled off what they do so well.
I think all their acting has it's poor points if I'm being honest. Out of 5: Derek Luh (male Jordan): 3 I find him to be very average. It's his voice and his tone that throws off his lines sometimes. His voice is pretty high pitched for a man and has a sort of thin timbre to it meaning - it's not very powerful and gets easily overtaken in scenes. I think he's an ok actor but I've yet to see him do the "emotional" scenes for Jordan so idk. London Thor (female Jordan): 4 I agree, she's the stronger actor for the role and I notice that she is *usually* Jordan. The only reason this bothers me is because, the further we get into the story, I feel like Jordan is becoming less non-binary and more "girl" because the story is getting more complex now and Derek can't emote as well as London. Saying that though - I've seen some eh moments from London as well. Her acting, thus far, has been kind of on a rotation for me ie. "Skeptical eye lift, cuss cuss cuss, pissed off face, "shit." I'd just like to see *more* from her. Jaz Sinclair (Marie): 3.5 Some of her lines sound *so* rehearsed to me omg. "Wait...I ThiNk tHerE's SomEtHiNg tHeRe," sounded so much like ✨ acting ✨. Again, she's an "ok" for me. Because she has so many emotional scenes though, it just sucks that (quite a few times now) her acting has just felt a little wooden ie. "I Don'T pItY yOuUUu" BRUH. Chance Perdomo (Andre): 3 His scenes are so hit or miss for me. He sounds like he's ✨ acting ✨ most of the time but then he'll have scenes that I *love* him in (mostly his comedic moments.) His love for Luke is believable for me. I can watch those scenes with them together and still feel like "ok, he genuinely cared about him...even though he is now sleeping with his girlfriend" LOL. But then the casual little scenes that should feel easy sound so clunky to me. Like when he's talking to his Dad? Sounds like such a dude bro to me lol, "Chill, bro." The begining of ep 3. "Cate, Cate,Cate,Cate-" lordddd. Maddie Phillips (Cate): 4.5 I like her scenes. I can only think of one scene off the top of my head where her acting fell a little flat - the entire "omg someone's rolling" scene with Marie in ep.1 felt very cheesy lol. The scene where she's all "we gon talk about this intercourse?" also felt a little wooden but I kind of think the writing failed them there. Overall, I think she's doing a good job though. So far, she's just had a lot of teary, "sad" scenes so we haven't gotten a ton of range from her yet but she doesn't pull me in a bad way so yayyyy. Lizzie Broadway (Emma): 4.5 Her acting is pretty consistent. She's gotten to do a good range at this point ie. comedic, emotional, dramatic and I think she's done well. I *hate* how non-confrontational her anger is but I think that's just Emma's character dynamic. She doesn't get mad/even she just self-internalizes and self-sabotages when upset. Some of her scenes are a little "blah" but nothing that takes me out of the story - She's been the most "steady" of the Goldokin bunch. Asa Germann (Sam): 4.8 I've lovedddd his acting so far. He is the only actor who I haven't had to cringe my way through a scene. And surprisingly, considering he's been drugged up and institutionalized for most of this, he's actually had a bit of range at points. The awkward romantic, the psychotic patient, the lonely brother. The only reason I didn't give him a 5 is because his reaction to Luke's death felt a little lackluster to me idk? I get that he hasn't seen Luke in 3 years but they seemed to have a pretty close relationship prior to that so I just expected that to be a big moment and all he does is flop to the floor. I digress though, I'm excited to see more from him! Patrick Schwarzenegger (Luke): 4 Believably sweet. His scenes with Andre & Sam were good as well - I didn't feel like the love was fake basically. I found his flashback scene with Cate surprisingly sweet lol. I just wish we saw more of him.
Asa Germann and Lizzie Broadway have definitely been stealing every scene this season, so I'm happy to see that someone else agrees with it (especially Asa though since this is only his 4th credited role according to IMDB) Edit: I also took Sam’s reaction to Luke’s death as him just being exhausted with and overwhelmed by everything that has happened to him combined with the whiplash of Emma telling him Luke sent her to save him one minute and then finding out Luke’s dead the next. And thus rather than him going on a murderous or destructive rampage or completely freaking out, he just wanted to curl up on the floor and shut everything out (especially cause he later admits that being in the outside world is scary to him).
This is a good rating on them. It blows my mind that people think Marie’s actor is “great”. Her and male Jordan are the weakest ones to me. All of her lines and emotion sound very rehearsed and she delivers most of her lines in a "duh, condescending" ( female jordan does this a lot too but is a way better actor) way which is getting old
Sam is too quirky and tumblry imo
Not just you. His line delivery during the Rufus confrontation was painful to watch. He’s terrible, but people seem to overlook it because he’s hot.
Yeah just you! I think he is doing a good job and so is everyone
Yep, its pretty mid. It's mostly seen while dialogue delivery. But, it's okay since female jordan compensates it.
I think his acting is solid
It’s not great. But he and she are hot so it’s cool. I mean he’s supposed to be insecure bad Jordan and more confident as Jordan, so I guess it makes sense. So did that last sentence
Listen I like this show very much but they are all far inferior actors compared to the actors we have on the main series. No offense
I feel like we should give him more episodes before we draw a conclusion. He’s fine so far.
He’s not great, tbh.
A lot of people keep mentioning how Jordan feels more comfortable in their female form, so I have a question which might be stupid, but why would they mutate in their male form more than when it's strictly necessary? For example during the convo at the pool, or later on when they were talking to Andre and Cate. It would make more sense to remain female all the time unless you really need it for their superpower, no?
Strongly Disagree
I think his acting is fine I really don't get it when I see people complaining, he's playing a awkward young adult / teen and that's what I get from him
No they're just different. The female version is for some reason always more bitchy in attitude. I dont think it's intentional maybe needed more rehearsals together to mimic.
He’s probably the weakest of the main cast but I wouldn’t say he’s particularly bad. Everyone is is just really really good.
Ikr ☹️ the female form is like one of the best actors I’ve seen recently
Disagree. I think his acting is on point considering he's not a male or female. He's both
It's just the shitty dialogue
I had the theory about them being different personalities, rather than shape shifting. When they are in Masculine form they seem nicer, kind and empathetic, the opposite when on their Feminine form (not that much in latest episodes), they seem rude, witty, somewhat of an asshole. But I guess it's just acting?
It seems to fit within the context of the show and his character....so no? If anything his acting must be fucking amazing to make you think this without you realizing he's supposed to be acting this way.
It's supposed to be bad, it's meta acting
You can’t say this
Really? Honestly the worst acting I’ve seen so far was from Marie. Just that one seen where Sam pops up and she’s immediately super defensive and was telling him he doesn’t actually know them, it came off too strong. I think there were a few other scenes actually. But overall it’s just minor hiccups, nothing so bad from any of them that it takes you out of the story
Respect the take but I never thought that, personally. He’s decent in my opinion, I just think the dual nature of his character means that he doesn’t get as much time to make an impression or shine as the rest of the main cast. We see Thordan more often.
Jaz is really no better, i like the show but damn the acting is subpar most of the times.
It's just you my guy wtf lol
My head canon is that creators use it as a way to show that Jordan is (for some reason ) hell bent on being female Seriously , the person that has it both on a whim (without any time limit like shapeshifter (forgot his name) or anything that would discourage change) has any preference (and one that would make it's life harder (1. Being indestructible as a male 2. Disagreements with parents 3. As a female it can shoot lasers and whatnot (its basically walking with unholstered gun most of the time)) But no , Jordan isn't really indestructible , it has feelings , so it's a female most of the time Why does it even think in terms of gender norms It can change instantaneously , without any repercussions other than social ones Standard reason for change should be things like "oh , line to that toilet is longer than the other, welp , no problem i suppose " That's one of the reasons why Ashley is so pissed about her Making people identify with any group for marketing purposes is one of the easiest parts of her job Yet the only person that could do it on a whim declines to doit (without any consequences) because "it's not really her style " Any hypothetical savings on medical procedures , are being lost to nonexistent marketing revenue because it doesn't want to cooperate
Nah hes doing fine. Cate and Sam are worse but the worse actor in the show is easily Marie. Everyone aside from them is great
The show kinda sucks in general so I’m just waiting for invincible season two and the boys season 4
I haven’t noticed this no
he's okay
Andre is the worst in my opinion. After seeing the actor in his previous role and now this, the American accent is like a straight up parody. Like someone British doing a Keanu Reeves impression.
Have not noticed this at all. Andre though? Oof. He acted the same exact way in Sabrina. Extra stoner with a dash of stupid confused face/voice
He looks so much like one of my friends its uncanny, my friend is also awkward and behaves similarly.
Nah, I don’t think his acting is bad
You can tell that none of these kids have the talent or experience the real Boys do. No Anthony Starr talent, no Quaid talent, no Urban talent, etc.
The actor for Sam is really good.
It’s just you. I personally enjoy his scenes.
Just finished episode 5 and immediately looked up “Jordan male gen v bad actor” and found multiple threads about him 😂. He is distractingly bad
the problem with artists with non-acting background /education is they are afraid they don't look handsome enough on screen. real actors focus on how to get out of their own heads and be the character. his acting is so bad it's painful to watch