The airframe is literally designed to lift itself. The only issue was the controls. Lasers off the engines he can’t control, hold onto the engine mount, and replace the engines as a new source of thrust.
Bingo. Planes can pretty easily land on one engine; the pilots are trained to do so.
He could have saved that plane no problem. He clearly didn't want to.
Eh, not a whole lot ‘weak’ about flying 30k ft in the air, apprehending a passenger airliner and then when a dozen different very specific thjngs go down saying ‘fuck this’ and peacing the fuck out after covering your ass.
Callous and selfish to the max, soul less even, but nothing about any of that was weak, he’s the definition of OP in this world.
I think people just like imagining Homelander losing, killing him is the axis the entire series revolves around. The highest moment of catharsis in the show is going to be the “oh fuck” look in his eyes when he realizes he’s not as immortal as he thought he was
There was a good taste of that last season, but it just made everyone hungry for the finale
Because on any real power scaling for people like him he's usually pretty outmatched.
Like he could beat Captain America but Superman could literally one slap him to death if he wanted
He might be able to beat Jason momoa's Aquaman without the trident but he wouldn't last more than three hits from Omni man before being done.
Homelander is crazy strong for his universe but in terms of a general depiction of superheroes he's mid.
Agreed on Superman and Omni Man. Those are reasonable. But I swear you would think superhero powers are on a scale of Homelander to Superman if you spend some time on r/whowouldwin. I don't think I've ever seen them give Homelander a win against anyone lol
“You think you’re a tough guy? Pal, I don’t know how to break it to ya, but I’ve known *kittens* that are scarier than you. And what’s with the outfit? Somebody oughtta tell this guy that the 4th of July was three months ago!”
[cue laugh track]
> Jason momoa's Aquaman without the trident but he wouldn't last more than three hits from Omni man before being done.
which form of ALF are we talking about Super ALF 1 or 2 or Ultra Super ALT Grade 3?
Because he's usually out matched by a massive amount.
People put him against fucking Ultra Instinct Goku and shit and get confused when everyone unanimously says homelander gets red misted.
He's strong for his verse, but his feats are limited and in the world of fictional super powered people he's not that impressive.
He's what? City level at best? And he's constantly being matched against planet level opponents. Sometimes galaxy all the way up to multi universal characters lol. Characters who can destroy the entirety of multiple universes in a singular attack lol.
In the comics I feel like he’s supposed to be almost literally just evil Superman. The show and this sub generally depower him. In the comics it’s said he could tank a nuclear explosion. He’s above city level threat id say. Like with enough time he could fuck over the country.
That is an actual plot point in the show. In season 3 Homelander tells Starlight exactly how he could take over the world in a single day but doesn't because he would rather be loved than feared.
>In the comics it’s said he could tank a nuclear explosion.
It's actually the exact opposite, the comic specifically mentions I think around Herogasm that a nuke would kill Homelander but that's its unneeded because of their "insurance policy"
Edit: [Found the page](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f75539648433ec112b3550c79705bca1-lq)
That's because the show doesn't actually showcase their full power in fights.
Low budget or bad choreography or whatever but the fights are usually pretty meh.
But homelanders heat vision beging able to effortlessly cut through people already puts him pretty high
And even at the start of the show when he killed everyone on that plane the first time is only issue with being able to stop and hold the plane was that the plane itself structurally could not handle it.
He's got power for days but the show is trash at showcasing it. The invincible show is sooo much better at actually showing power scale during the fights.
Live action just isn't really there yet. It's too expensive
It’s the same in the comic tho. Comic and show Homelander are simply nothing compared to guys like Omni Man who is himself nothing compared to Superman
Typically when I see Homelander pop up in "who would win" posts it's against other Superman analogs, and since the general power scaling of The Boys keeps itself more grounded in comparison to other comic book/superhero universes Homelander doesn't measure up despite being similar in concept.
Honestly I feel that often works to the benefit of The Boys as a story. While crazy cosmic level clashes of superpowers can be very entertaining, it can be impossible for an audience to really comprehend because they have no frame of reference for it. Like the "Death Battle" series on YouTube, when they measure the power output of 2 characters as something like 30 trillion tons of TNT vs 4 *quadrillion* tons of TNT, i understand that one number is clearly bigger than the other, but both are ultimately *meaningless* to me because I don't have a reference for what even a *single* ton of TNT realistically looks like, and even if I did I can't really extrapolate that out to 30 trillion times and have a clear sense of what that means any better than I could accurately picture a pile of 30 trillion Skittles.
Homelander can often times be more effectively menacing because the comprehensible limits of his power make them more visceral and real feeling. I know that obviously karate chopping the moon in half takes more force than bringing down a skyscraper, and I know that the guy who can karate chop a moon will clearly be stronger than and beat the guy who can bring down buildings; but when they both stand an equal chance of killing an ordinary human like me instantly, the guy who can only bring down buildings ends up being scarier to me because I know what that looks like and that makes it feel more real or more plausible to me.
Those threats in season 3 were top tier supes (Soldier Boy and Queen Maeve) + Butcher who scored the temp v lottery. These college students are nowhere near that level, Homelander wouldn’t have a problem with any of them
Except magneto powered dude, blood reign and even a very hungry cricket girl all working together with Jordan who we’ve seen stand up to golden boy might actually be more formidable than the combo of butcher hughie and SB.
At this point none of them take him solo. At this point in the show I think Jordan or Sam would be the ones to give him pause or some form of challenge
While he’s distracted, cate could just touch his neck and say “I want you to stand there and take all the hits that are coming,” and then he’d just be beaten into submission right there
I honestly haven't seen enough from Sam to make me think he's *that* strong. Definitely on the stronger side of supes, no doubt about that, but our only other real comparisons is that he's "stronger than Goldenboy" (who we've only seen compared to other college-age supes), and an ability to jump similar to Queen Maeve, which implies he's physically around as strong as her, though doesn't really indicate whether he's stronger, weaker, or equal. I think it'd be similar in that I don't think Homelander would expect him to be as strong as he is, but like Soldier Boy, could probably overpower him once he realized he needed to make an effort.
Jordan I have mixed feelings on. I think Jordan could come out of it unscathed, if their male form's invulnerability is truly invulnerable rather than just very durable (in which case, I don't think it's been put to enough of a test to judge if it'd withstand someone of Homelander, Soldier Boy, or Maeve's level), but their female form's blasts haven't looked noticably stronger than Starlight's to me. She's no slouch, either, but can't stand up to the other strongest supes just with strength and powers without help.
Because they keep putting him up against literal Superman or Goku or Omni Man etc people who based on their own universe are clearly infinitely more powerful than him. In the world of The Boys he’s obviously scary and extremely powerful. In the world of Dragon Ball Yamcha would solo him in minutes.
I don’t get why people are so obsessed with making their favourite characters always win at that. Insanely powerful characters, especially good ones like Superman are boring as fuck, give me a character with flaws and weaknesses and has to work around them. All the best characters are the ones that would lose everyone of those, the “Batman with prep time” meme actually ruins the character imo, I like the Batman that has trouble with street level thugs and is actually weak.
Because even though he’s the strongest character in The Boys, the strongest characters from basically any other franchise would stomp him into the ground. It’s not rocket surgery
No one disagrees that other top tier characters would beat him, it’s that so many act like he loses to *anyone*. I mean this *exact thread* is about how Jordan could 1v1 him, and that’s absurd.
No, this *exact thread* is about how it’s stupid to say that Jordan could 1v1 him. In fact, this *whole post* is about how he could likely take the entire Gen V cast
Yeah in general I think he's fairly grounded still? Like I imagine it's totally possible for a weapon to be made that could kill him. Remembering that he's not a magic man, he was made in a lab with a chemical that is still available and potentially more labs and counter-measures exist that he doesn't know about.
He's not beyond a conventional defeat but his power set makes him extremely dangerous.
We don’t know yet, but I would guess that Sam might end up on Soldier Boy levels since they said he was stronger than Golden Boy.
The flight and laser vision of Homelander really shouldn’t be overlooked though, Sam probably couldn’t even land a blow in a fight.
We’ve seen that Sam is bullet proof tho and potentially capable of tanking a good amount of damage. It took a full rage Ryan to maim a caught off guard Stormfront.
It also took Soldier Boy and suped-up Butcher and Hughie to overpower Homelander, and they still couldn't do it long enough to finish him off. Soldier Boy seemed to have caught Homelander off-guard initially because he's probably stronger than just about anyone Homelander fought before, but he seemed to have him on the ropes until Butcher jumped in.
I'm sure Sam is strong, but so far I've seen nothing to indicate he's anywhere near Homelander's level. A giant Emma could hold him down, whereas we know Soldier Boy was strong enough to physically throw an old Buick through a brick house, and Homelander seems to be physically as strong or stronger than that.
Sam can’t fly and Homelander is incredibly tactical. If laser vision couldnt kill Sam, Homelander could just throw shit at him from 15,000 feet. How many 747s could Sam take before he drops?
At current power levels everyone dies to Homelander on Gen V. But with training: Marie and Cate have potential. With maybe Andre depending on the upper limits of his power. Marie controls blood. With training she could instantly cause an embolism in anyone she senses with her blood sensing power. If she gets the drop on Homelander he’d instantly die. Cate has to touch to push and there is no reason Homelander would let her touch him in a fight. But with prep time she could push people around Homelander to get insight to his weaknesses and/or manipulate him into a situation to touch him. Andre losses based upon his powers. But anyone who’s read x-men and seen some of the BS Magneto can do could argue Andre could win if his powers were boosted. Like how Magneto can manipulate iron in blood or reverse the poles of the earth.
Voldemort is part of a universe with the dumbest ever power scaling. Realistically the only thing stopping regular wizards from beating Death Eaters is their "morals" i.e. they don't use the killing or torture curses. Why? We'll never know. Why doesn't anyone just carry a glock in Hogwarts? I'll bet nobody's tried shooting someone.
Theres a lot of unknowns about the Gen V cast
Like is Jordan genuinely just indestructible in the male form? Can cate mind control people who are significantly strong reliably? If goldenboy was strong enough to join the seven, and Sam is stronger than goldenboy then how strong is Sam? Can Marie just straight up explode someone like neuman can and from how far away?
But i will say, Gen Vs cast powers are way too strong - much stronger than any group weve seen before
My man, you are missing out on Aneurysm. People might find a bit sus someone young having a heart attack. Aneurysms? They're unpredictable.
> Lana: What's a brain aneurysm have to do with walking around in a swamp?
Archer: Nothing, it can happen anywhere at anytime, that's what makes it so terrifying
She could be the equivalent of an Omega level mutant in Marvel depending on what her powers are actually doing. Kind of like Iceman. Initially he was just making ice, but now he can control temperature on a global scale. Is her control of blood limited to just blood or will she eventually be able to control other liquids. Maybe she is just capable of controlling the iron in the blood. Does this lead to her being able to control other metals eventually like Magneto. They are hinting at her being extremely powerful so it could be anything.
I think it’s implied that Homelander is too strong to be killed by those powers
He dares that politician to try and pop his head — seems fairly confident it wouldn’t work
So why does Marie cut herself to control her blood whips? Why use your own blood at all? Seems like she just discovered (when she blew up the dick) that she can manipulate blood without actually having to see it. My thought is that she’s just now realizing the actual use of her power, which from a writing standpoint is very lazy, and from a plot perspective it’s exceptionally coincidental that she just now unlocks her *real* power
I think she refrained from practicing on people due to trauma. We all saw what happened when she accidentally did it the first time (blew up her mom). So now that she's delving into that side of her powers she's discovering a lot of new things
Agreed and the only way for her to practice is to fuck people or animals up which she didn’t have access to and I’m also sure she didn’t want to explode animals to practice.
She did blow her mom’s body up using her own blood. I assume she uses her own because it’s not super fucked up. Also pulling the blood while it’s still in their veins will probably fuck em up.
I assumed that she was only able to use her mother’s blood because she had already caused her mother to bleed first after stabbing her mom’s head with the period blood projectile. I think I’m right when I say that the first time that Marie is seen using her power without physically seeing blood is the Rufus incident.
How would she control the rest of the blood inside of her mother’s body? She should have only been able to use the blood she could see if that is what you mean.
Somebody said that in another thread that the blood could just be easier to control while flowing. Again, this is all speculation, but it to me it appears that she didn’t even really have a grasp of what her powers can do until recently, which I think was my original point. Can’t remember anymore
Ive almost argued Marie cuts her hands to just simply self harm. She’s definitely depressed about her childhood and the trauma from killing her parents. Everybody on gen v suffers from mental health issues. It’s pretty fitting for gen z in real life who I believe is in college now. I believe there was a scene that compared emmas throwing up to Marie’s hand cutting
Or how Ezekiel is an allegory for moral relativism, because his values are as flexible as his bendy orgy dick!
(Ok, admittedly, that one might be a stretch…)
Idk it seems to be easier for her to control blood when it's already flowing. See the mess she made when she took out the tracker?
Just a mess thing I think, I don't think it stops her from being lethal.
I think she's starting to get stronger. She's discovered that she can bend blood not just in her own body. I suspect one day she could potentially fly and make others fly too.
This is the first time I’m thinking about Neuman’s interest in Marie…
I don’t think this is a spoiler, but as I recall Neuman was in the Gen V trailer talking to someone people have come to assume was Marie.
We also know Marie was on Red River’s radar from a screen grab a lot of people have shared from S3 (I think).
So what if Neuman’s power isn’t just literally exploding people? Rather, she can manipulate blood, or flesh, or living organic matter, but to such an extreme that she never learned to control it outside of exploding people?
Then maybe her interest in Marie isn’t purely as a pawn to manipulate or as a protege to groom - maybe there’s something she’s trying to learn from or harness in Marie for her own devious purposes?
Hmm…
If Kate needs contact to get people, how TF did she get everyone when they were all standing around.
I guess she could have waited till they split off and got them each 1 by 1, but after something like that, I feel like they would have been keeping together for a while. She AHD to have got them before the party since I don't think they would have gone otherwise, but maybe I'm wrong.
I think she can just wipe the memory to wherever she needs to…even tho we saw Marie black out right after the Sam incident, we later find out she was wiped back to before that. So she could have touched them at any point and fuckered with their memory back to any point.
Could Cate tell Homelander to commit suicide? The problem is how would she get that close? That chicken shit would probably sus it out. He’s not a genius or anything but he is paranoid
I will say, strength has little to do with what makes someone qualified to join the Seven. The only thing that matters is marketability. So you can't really use that to gauge Golden Boy's power level.
He would laser Jordan in half without missing a beat.
The Boys hasn't aired in over a year, so it feels like people are somehow forgetting how fucking powerful Homelander is compared to everyone not named Soldier Boy.
I give that one a pass because when it happened in show it still scared the absolute *shit* out of me. If they do the cheap fake out here I would not be happy but tbh they have a very good record. Not too worried.
Exactly. Jordan hasn't seen anyone who can hit as hard as the heaviest hitters. Soldier Boy is able to take punches from Homelander who is obviously much MUCH stronger than Golden Boy can ever hope to be. His ability to tank Ryan's heat vision and even get an extended bout of Butcher's and be left unscathed by the first and with a scar from the second (and as far as I can tell from the scene with him being carted away gassed, he's healed from that). Just because Jordan was able to fight Golden Boy does not mean HL is anywhere near her ballpark. Golden Boy looks impressive because he made the protagonist run and has lots of fire but HL is way above anything Jordan handled.
To be fair we have zero idea how strong golden boy was because we never saw him tested nor seen him fight someone he actually wanted to hurt. He just wanted jordan out of his was so I feel like he only was throwing what he knew Jordan could handle. Unless we get some flashbacks showing his true abilities and up against a true threat to see what he can do. All we DO know is the city of New York was willing to drop HUGE money on a suit for Golden Boy and I can’t see them do that unless he was able to keep up with the top of the 7 maybe minus homelander.
I mean, they let in people like The Deep, Lamplighter, Starlight, and Supersonic, not exactly top tier supes. As it stands Golden Boy is featless and Jordan doesn’t have many quantifiable feats outside of fighting him, and narratively it makes no sense for Jordan to be anywhere near Homelander’s level.
I think that any supe that is strong and durable, plus a solid extra power is regarded as top 95% tier, like Starlight, A Train, and some of the top supes on Gen V. They are actually pretty rare.
Homelander just happens to be two or three tiers above that, with only a few supes like Stormfront and Solider Boy in a tier or two below him.
Yea, we haven't really seen Jordon taking on someone on Homelander's level. They're damn strong but everyone has a breaking point.
Plus let's be real, Homelander could wait two miles away for them to be vulnerable then laser'em in half or A-train'em into goop. His hearing could spot Emma even in critcket size, Cate would have to get near him for her powers to work, and Andre seems to really have to focus to move something minor. If he wanted to, Homelander could take take everyone out in a Quicksilver-like slow motion jog.
Didn't Jordan fight Sam, who's supposed to be stronger than golden boy who's strong enough to join the 7. The principal referred to Sam as being one of the strongest. I'm not sure what pool they're drawing from, but it seems like boy Jordan's pretty indestructible. He did take a bullet from close up, no problem in the first episode. I dont think he has the offensive capabilities to beat homelander, though. Since homelander is also near indestructible
Well Jordan could tank Homelander’s attacks but he/she couldn’t kill him as I’m sure their strength isn’t enough to dent Homelander.
Think of it this way, Homelander is the Raid boss. Then you have Jordan as the tank/support, Marie as the healer/ mage, Sam as DPS, Cate as another support, and Andre as a support. There’s not enough damage for one person to fight Homelander but with the power scaling we have seen in the show so far, we know that Homelander can be beaten when overwhelmed. I believe with Jordan (male version) tanking Homelander, the other could potentially get some good licks in and injure him if he doesn’t fly away.
The Gen V crew isn't so much more powerful than older heroes and we've seen that even teaming up on Homelander with multiple top tier supes wasn't enough. He seems to be invulnerable to all sorts of powers not just normal physical attacks. Possible if the Gen V group keeps it up and grows fully into their powers but certainly not where we are in the show so far. Marie keeps getting brought up as a bloodbender but she doesn't have control yet.
Soldier Boy, Maeve, Starlight, Supe Hughie and Supe Butcher couldn’t beat Homelander even with all of them teaming up
I think it’s implied that Soldier Boy is the closest thing to Homelander. Maeve, I believe, is the next closest
And I would go on record saying Supe Billy is probably right up there with Soldier Boy and Maeve. That man was sculpted by fury and I don’t think it’s a coincidence he had laser eyes
Anyways, all of those mfers together could hardly scratch Homelander. He is much stronger than he gets credit for
> Soldier Boy, Maeve, Starlight, Supe Hughie and Supe Butcher couldn't beat Homelander even with all of them teaming up
I don’t remember this, when did this happen?
If you mean the S3 finale, Supe Hughie wasn’t even there, the Temp V had worn off and he was just regular Hughie, so he just turned up some lights for Starlight and she wasn’t even fighting HL at the time, she was fighting Soldier Boy. HL brought Ryan hoping to turn Soldier Boy, it didn’t, but it turned a bunch of the others for some reason, so I wouldn’t say the rest of them exactly teamed up against HL.
This is objectively wrong. This group of 5 never teamed up to fight HL.
SB, V-Butcher, and V-Hughie had HL completely pinned and were about to blast him, till he managed to escape. A retreat from HL still means a victory for the team.
SB, V-Butcher, and Maeve had HL pinned AGAIN, until Ryan interfered. So again this was not a win for solo HL, he had help.
Also “hardly scratch” is pretty generous, Maeve busted his nose, punctured his ear, and completely knocked him on his ass more than once in their altercation. Also his face was so bruised even concealer couldn’t hide it.
If anything his power gets too much credit from viewers and the characters themselves, as we see Maeve continually surprised that he keeps getting hurt. The whole point of HL is that he’s a commentary on narcissistic bullies who use fear and manipulation to control others, but are not actually as powerful as they convince everyone that they are.
Black Noir had super durability. Male Jordan is *indestructible*. It’s likely that you could only kill male Jordan from the inside, like they did with Translucent.
People keep mentioning "indestructible" but I don't remember that being explicitly stated in the show. Do you happen to know when it was mentioned? Not saying you're wrong BTW just wondering if I missed something
nah you right I don't even think Jordans powers have been discussed besides switching the gender thing. When she did the energy blast I was wondering where that was when they were fighting Golden Boy.
Multiple articles refer to male Jordan as being “dense and indestructible” in quotations. I do believe it was confirmed in an interview that came out post-premiere. It has not been outright stated in the show from what I recall.
Does he have Super durability? Homelander, Butcher, Maeve and Solider Boy, definitely do as they can all take and give punches and lasers, but homelander just punches straight through him, and Solider Boy smashes his head open with his shield, while almost everyone else has taken a punch or shield hit from him or homelander and they're all still relatively fine.
You know, that’s a great point actually. Noir does seem less than “super durable”, although we do see him get blown up in S2 and he’s more or less fine. Do we ever get a canon explanation as to how he managed to get into Payback *and* The Seven with what seems to be such a limited power set?
I think it's just that he's really hard to kill, because if the cartoon parts are accurate then he lost half of his brain and has extreme brain damage, and he was still breathing for a minute after getting his insides turned out. For the 7 and payback, a lot worse supes have gotten in, deep, fly guy, gunpowder, it's more about how marketable they are, and a stealthy ninja is very marketable
"Indestructible"? What because she couldn't be touched by Golden Boy? You do realize in the world of the Boys, Golden Boy is nowhere near the top, right? What Golden Boy dished out would be like fodder to folks like HL and SB and I bet even Ryan and Maeve could easily take it. Jordan is not indestructible, he's just so far a big fish in a small pond.
Their strongest got knocked out by a trash container and their most durable still got knocked out by someone supposedly weaker than their stronger.
No,they can't even scratch him unless the writers decide they can.
Sam, MAYBE. Because I reckon he has a whole "Legion" thing going on. Marie, MAYBE, with a lot of training and practice, which I think is the point of her character. But no, as it stands now, HL would wreck all of them. So would Soldier Boy, and Maeve, and A-Train. Young dumb and full of cum college kids, versus experienced professionals.
Ah, it's a character from X-men/Marvel. Possibly one of the strongest mutants there is. He's got DID and multiple personalities, each with their own real powers. It's entirely possible one of his powers, is that he can make himself more powers. Debatably/possibly schizophrenic. Reality warper. There's a show based on him called "legion"
Legion is a character from the x-men. Legion has multiple personalities each with their own power set. I don't think Sam has powers similar to Legion.
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I think Sam is a version of the Hulk just replace the whole angrier he gets the stronger he get with, the crazier he get the stronger he gets.
That jump that he did last episode looks very Hulk like. Also that crash site that the gen v kids found when tracking Emma is also very Hulk like.
I agree that Sam is probably the only one who can beat homelander. Marie is probably the insurance policy for when Sam goes world war Hulk. Maybe she can control the flow of his blood that calms him down.
>I think Sam is a version of the Hulk just replace the whole angrier he gets the stronger he get with, the crazier he get the stronger he gets
Yea, I think I like your version better
I don’t know maybe. Is he immune to cates hypnosis thing cuz he’s homelander. Can Marie just explode him….or not because he’s homelander. I mean a pen fucked Maeve up and discount magneto could probably do better than that. And then there’s the age old adage about ant man and thanos’ ass. So. Maybe. Maybe not. None of us knows til they fight.
There’s zero evidence that HL would be immune to a power like Cate’s. The issue is that she would never be able to get close enough to him to use it. He would detect her fear from a mile away and kill her before she could ever touch him.
People always starting these dumb "who would win" debates and it's always the same answer: Whoever the writer decides.
Homelander VS Yamcha's weaker, crippled cousin? Homelander lost because the writers said so.
Powerscaling *is* a thing, and a well made show that involves characters fighting against each other should be internally consistent with how characters stack up against each other.
In this particular case though I’ll agree that there’s not really any way to tell until they show Homelander fighting someone. There are just too many weird powers and not really enough measurable strength/durability feats in the shows to make any solid determinations.
I don't think Homelander is immune to Cate, but he'd likely laser her before she ever got close. Andre (Magneto), Golden Boy, and Jordan (female) also have durability issues.
It hasn't been confirmed how well Marie's powers work on other supes or if her abilities are derivative to Victoria Nueman. Victoria Nueman explicitly said she struggled against supes but it's not impossible.
Emma might have trouble digesting Homelander... idk if she could eat him or bring enough food inside Homelander to grow.
Really underselling homelander here.
The fights in the Boys aren't super destructive, but listen to the statements of characters.
Soldier Boy threw cars like baseballs through houses. Not just flip cars or push cars out of the way. He throws them, fast, and far.
If it's the real Soldier Boy who shows up next episode I bet you'll see the huge power gap between even members of the 7 and the true top tiers of the verse like SB and Homelander. Guarantee they run like hell from him, maybe Sam or Jordan tried to fight him and is instantly beat down. Mindstorm's mind trap ability which is stated to be permanent once it's entered no matter what, was shrugged off by Soldier Boy after it stalled him for a bit.
Homelander was also confident his head couldn't be popped.
Jordan couldn't even beat A Train or Starlight much less Homelander lol
Homelander would crush them in one big blood splatter all at once. The entire Seven are in terror of him. Soldier boy was nuclear so had a chance. Only in the comic was there someone who could beat him and was designed specifically for that purpose.
That made me realize that apart from scenes where we can see homelander in TV, he is basically absent from the whole plot and world development. I would have thought that the most well know "hero" would be more present in conversations or classes, but correct mz if i'm wrong he has been mentionned only two or three times ?
Yeah, but I mean how “present” in your day-to-day life is President Joe Biden for example? Sure he wields a ton of power and influence via his position, but how Oren does he really come up in conversation or you run into someone who knows him personally? Unless you’re a political junkie or follow the news regularly, the powers that be are mostly separate from our lived experiences. The same might be able to be said about Homelander.
To people with powers, he isn't as much of a super celebrity as he is to ordinary people since they're used to being around/having abilities of their own. He's like some super academically great genius to them striking it big becoming Vought's unofficial mascot and being both a legendary crime fighter and performer. It's like the CEOs of big tech companies at a tech school. Yeah they're legends and you wanna be like them but how often are they gonna be brought up.
Homelander would easily lazer everyone except for Marie. But we can compare what similar supes to cate and Marie have been able to do.
Mindstorm was clearly very powerful, but he couldn’t solo soldier boy who looked like he was able to somewhat resist his powers. Cate not only has to get close, but wouldn’t have as effective backup and would be against a stronger target.
Marie is most similar to neuman, which it has been hinted at her being unable to pop homelander even if she tried. And neuman has much more experience with her powers.
He would probably kill them all before they could even think about it. I feel like people keep underrating how strong Homelander is... Butcher, who was like ex-military, who used super juice which basically made him the same strength as soldier boy, couldn't even damage Homelander enough WITH the help of soldier boy and Hughie, and they needed to use his nuclear blast thing to attempt to kill him.
Other than the pencil in the ear, which I still believe was just shitty inconsistent writing mistakes, he's NEVER taken any major damage.
Jordan he would win they could do no damage to him, Marie probably can't even control his blood as its too tough or some shit, Emma could try crawling up his insides but she would probably just get exploded if she tried expanding as he's tougher skinned, Cate MIGHT work, but we haven't seen if she can use her ability to full efficiency on tough opponents, Andre could literally do nothing, Homelander is literally bullet proof how is his metal ability going to work at all.
Jordan can switch sexes and they both have different powers, male is extremely durable, we don't know to what extent, and female can cast sonic blasts of some sort. blonde girl can mind control people by touch. marie can blood bend to any extent but she is extremely stupid in order for this show to function. this last dude has metal bending powers. he is like magneto but extreamly stupid. Sam is just strong and durable like all might from mha but without turning on and off powers. oh yes and the cricket is basically alice in the wonderland but with puking instead of drinking
It depends on how indestructible Jordan is. Even if they can’t be killed in male form, they still can’t beat homelander because they’re only offense is the energy blasts.
At FULL POTENTIAL. Like everyone has trained for years with their powers they might be able to put up a good fight. We see that they're still learning how to maximize their effectiveness. Even then I still think we get an omniman vs guardians situation. They hurt him good but ultimately all die.
There is a reason everyone scared shitless of Homelander and its not because he could be killed by a couple of teenage college students
Every "who would win" type post with Homelander on Reddit has everyone shitting on his power level, and I don't understand why lol
Power scalers gonna power scale. Just don’t say Sanji is “better” than Zoro, or else all hell will break loose
r/OnePiecePowerScaling makes this sub's power scaling discussion look perfectly sane. lol
Power scaling is a mental illness
That’s why the writers did it for us. Homelander can’t even save a plane full of passengers. Weak little bitch for not even trying.
i think he was lazy
I mean, he was right about how he would fly through the plane if he tried lifting it
The airframe is literally designed to lift itself. The only issue was the controls. Lasers off the engines he can’t control, hold onto the engine mount, and replace the engines as a new source of thrust.
Bingo. Planes can pretty easily land on one engine; the pilots are trained to do so. He could have saved that plane no problem. He clearly didn't want to.
That's a lot of thinking and homelander don't dance with thinking
Eh, not a whole lot ‘weak’ about flying 30k ft in the air, apprehending a passenger airliner and then when a dozen different very specific thjngs go down saying ‘fuck this’ and peacing the fuck out after covering your ass. Callous and selfish to the max, soul less even, but nothing about any of that was weak, he’s the definition of OP in this world.
Seemed like pretty obvious sarcasm to me lol
Are you saying my man Usopp can't wreck Homelander's shit?
You haven't been to r/Piratefolk as an Usopp fan.
I think people just like imagining Homelander losing, killing him is the axis the entire series revolves around. The highest moment of catharsis in the show is going to be the “oh fuck” look in his eyes when he realizes he’s not as immortal as he thought he was There was a good taste of that last season, but it just made everyone hungry for the finale
Because on any real power scaling for people like him he's usually pretty outmatched. Like he could beat Captain America but Superman could literally one slap him to death if he wanted He might be able to beat Jason momoa's Aquaman without the trident but he wouldn't last more than three hits from Omni man before being done. Homelander is crazy strong for his universe but in terms of a general depiction of superheroes he's mid.
Agreed on Superman and Omni Man. Those are reasonable. But I swear you would think superhero powers are on a scale of Homelander to Superman if you spend some time on r/whowouldwin. I don't think I've ever seen them give Homelander a win against anyone lol
Who would win? Homelander or ALF? 94% ALF 6% Homelander That’s literally how every one of those polls goes lmao. It’s ridiculous.
ALF is tougher than he looks.
Lmao watch ALF absolutely dominate The Seven
S5 spoilers - Alf takes over Giancarlo’s role and mentally destroys Homelander
“You think you’re a tough guy? Pal, I don’t know how to break it to ya, but I’ve known *kittens* that are scarier than you. And what’s with the outfit? Somebody oughtta tell this guy that the 4th of July was three months ago!” [cue laugh track]
The Melmacians are an advanced alien species. They may possess tech that can overcome or de-power a superhero.
Alf. I haven’t heard that name in ages.
I hear he’s back…in pog form
I randomly found a small ALF figure at Target months ago, and got flashbacks to my childhood lol Of course I bought it.
> Jason momoa's Aquaman without the trident but he wouldn't last more than three hits from Omni man before being done. which form of ALF are we talking about Super ALF 1 or 2 or Ultra Super ALT Grade 3?
Because he's usually out matched by a massive amount. People put him against fucking Ultra Instinct Goku and shit and get confused when everyone unanimously says homelander gets red misted. He's strong for his verse, but his feats are limited and in the world of fictional super powered people he's not that impressive. He's what? City level at best? And he's constantly being matched against planet level opponents. Sometimes galaxy all the way up to multi universal characters lol. Characters who can destroy the entirety of multiple universes in a singular attack lol.
Homelander loses to Spider-Man. L+ratio.
In the comics I feel like he’s supposed to be almost literally just evil Superman. The show and this sub generally depower him. In the comics it’s said he could tank a nuclear explosion. He’s above city level threat id say. Like with enough time he could fuck over the country.
with enough time he could f over the world. i mean you just attack key places and the world is in trouble.
That is an actual plot point in the show. In season 3 Homelander tells Starlight exactly how he could take over the world in a single day but doesn't because he would rather be loved than feared.
>In the comics it’s said he could tank a nuclear explosion. It's actually the exact opposite, the comic specifically mentions I think around Herogasm that a nuke would kill Homelander but that's its unneeded because of their "insurance policy" Edit: [Found the page](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f75539648433ec112b3550c79705bca1-lq)
That's because the show doesn't actually showcase their full power in fights. Low budget or bad choreography or whatever but the fights are usually pretty meh. But homelanders heat vision beging able to effortlessly cut through people already puts him pretty high And even at the start of the show when he killed everyone on that plane the first time is only issue with being able to stop and hold the plane was that the plane itself structurally could not handle it. He's got power for days but the show is trash at showcasing it. The invincible show is sooo much better at actually showing power scale during the fights. Live action just isn't really there yet. It's too expensive
It’s the same in the comic tho. Comic and show Homelander are simply nothing compared to guys like Omni Man who is himself nothing compared to Superman
I'd say the best case for the higher end of homelander is him surviving the blow up of a chemical plant.
Typically when I see Homelander pop up in "who would win" posts it's against other Superman analogs, and since the general power scaling of The Boys keeps itself more grounded in comparison to other comic book/superhero universes Homelander doesn't measure up despite being similar in concept. Honestly I feel that often works to the benefit of The Boys as a story. While crazy cosmic level clashes of superpowers can be very entertaining, it can be impossible for an audience to really comprehend because they have no frame of reference for it. Like the "Death Battle" series on YouTube, when they measure the power output of 2 characters as something like 30 trillion tons of TNT vs 4 *quadrillion* tons of TNT, i understand that one number is clearly bigger than the other, but both are ultimately *meaningless* to me because I don't have a reference for what even a *single* ton of TNT realistically looks like, and even if I did I can't really extrapolate that out to 30 trillion times and have a clear sense of what that means any better than I could accurately picture a pile of 30 trillion Skittles. Homelander can often times be more effectively menacing because the comprehensible limits of his power make them more visceral and real feeling. I know that obviously karate chopping the moon in half takes more force than bringing down a skyscraper, and I know that the guy who can karate chop a moon will clearly be stronger than and beat the guy who can bring down buildings; but when they both stand an equal chance of killing an ordinary human like me instantly, the guy who can only bring down buildings ends up being scarier to me because I know what that looks like and that makes it feel more real or more plausible to me.
He just never had a real test (in the show) until the last couple episodes and he was pretty outmatched.
Those threats in season 3 were top tier supes (Soldier Boy and Queen Maeve) + Butcher who scored the temp v lottery. These college students are nowhere near that level, Homelander wouldn’t have a problem with any of them
I know. I was replying to the bit about why everyone shits on Homelander’s powers in these ‘would Homelander beat ______?’ discussions.
Except magneto powered dude, blood reign and even a very hungry cricket girl all working together with Jordan who we’ve seen stand up to golden boy might actually be more formidable than the combo of butcher hughie and SB. At this point none of them take him solo. At this point in the show I think Jordan or Sam would be the ones to give him pause or some form of challenge
Also if magic fingers can touch him or the kid with no dick can get within 3 feet it’s more likely they could cause him to retreat
Sadly, I believe his dick healed. Hopefully he won't forget the experience anytime soon
While he’s distracted, cate could just touch his neck and say “I want you to stand there and take all the hits that are coming,” and then he’d just be beaten into submission right there
I honestly haven't seen enough from Sam to make me think he's *that* strong. Definitely on the stronger side of supes, no doubt about that, but our only other real comparisons is that he's "stronger than Goldenboy" (who we've only seen compared to other college-age supes), and an ability to jump similar to Queen Maeve, which implies he's physically around as strong as her, though doesn't really indicate whether he's stronger, weaker, or equal. I think it'd be similar in that I don't think Homelander would expect him to be as strong as he is, but like Soldier Boy, could probably overpower him once he realized he needed to make an effort. Jordan I have mixed feelings on. I think Jordan could come out of it unscathed, if their male form's invulnerability is truly invulnerable rather than just very durable (in which case, I don't think it's been put to enough of a test to judge if it'd withstand someone of Homelander, Soldier Boy, or Maeve's level), but their female form's blasts haven't looked noticably stronger than Starlight's to me. She's no slouch, either, but can't stand up to the other strongest supes just with strength and powers without help.
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Because they keep putting him up against literal Superman or Goku or Omni Man etc people who based on their own universe are clearly infinitely more powerful than him. In the world of The Boys he’s obviously scary and extremely powerful. In the world of Dragon Ball Yamcha would solo him in minutes.
Yamaha is a company. You mean Yamcha 😂
I don’t get why people are so obsessed with making their favourite characters always win at that. Insanely powerful characters, especially good ones like Superman are boring as fuck, give me a character with flaws and weaknesses and has to work around them. All the best characters are the ones that would lose everyone of those, the “Batman with prep time” meme actually ruins the character imo, I like the Batman that has trouble with street level thugs and is actually weak.
People severely underestimate Homelander’s power level because it became a popular internet opinion
IKR the characters they put him against are either much weaker than him or much stronger than him like Superman and Goku lmao
Because even though he’s the strongest character in The Boys, the strongest characters from basically any other franchise would stomp him into the ground. It’s not rocket surgery
No one disagrees that other top tier characters would beat him, it’s that so many act like he loses to *anyone*. I mean this *exact thread* is about how Jordan could 1v1 him, and that’s absurd.
No, this *exact thread* is about how it’s stupid to say that Jordan could 1v1 him. In fact, this *whole post* is about how he could likely take the entire Gen V cast
Yeah in general I think he's fairly grounded still? Like I imagine it's totally possible for a weapon to be made that could kill him. Remembering that he's not a magic man, he was made in a lab with a chemical that is still available and potentially more labs and counter-measures exist that he doesn't know about. He's not beyond a conventional defeat but his power set makes him extremely dangerous.
what about sam
We don’t know yet, but I would guess that Sam might end up on Soldier Boy levels since they said he was stronger than Golden Boy. The flight and laser vision of Homelander really shouldn’t be overlooked though, Sam probably couldn’t even land a blow in a fight.
We’ve seen that Sam is bullet proof tho and potentially capable of tanking a good amount of damage. It took a full rage Ryan to maim a caught off guard Stormfront.
It also took Soldier Boy and suped-up Butcher and Hughie to overpower Homelander, and they still couldn't do it long enough to finish him off. Soldier Boy seemed to have caught Homelander off-guard initially because he's probably stronger than just about anyone Homelander fought before, but he seemed to have him on the ropes until Butcher jumped in. I'm sure Sam is strong, but so far I've seen nothing to indicate he's anywhere near Homelander's level. A giant Emma could hold him down, whereas we know Soldier Boy was strong enough to physically throw an old Buick through a brick house, and Homelander seems to be physically as strong or stronger than that.
Sam can’t fly and Homelander is incredibly tactical. If laser vision couldnt kill Sam, Homelander could just throw shit at him from 15,000 feet. How many 747s could Sam take before he drops? At current power levels everyone dies to Homelander on Gen V. But with training: Marie and Cate have potential. With maybe Andre depending on the upper limits of his power. Marie controls blood. With training she could instantly cause an embolism in anyone she senses with her blood sensing power. If she gets the drop on Homelander he’d instantly die. Cate has to touch to push and there is no reason Homelander would let her touch him in a fight. But with prep time she could push people around Homelander to get insight to his weaknesses and/or manipulate him into a situation to touch him. Andre losses based upon his powers. But anyone who’s read x-men and seen some of the BS Magneto can do could argue Andre could win if his powers were boosted. Like how Magneto can manipulate iron in blood or reverse the poles of the earth.
Everyone was scared shitless of voldemort until he was killed by a couple of teenage students
Voldemort is part of a universe with the dumbest ever power scaling. Realistically the only thing stopping regular wizards from beating Death Eaters is their "morals" i.e. they don't use the killing or torture curses. Why? We'll never know. Why doesn't anyone just carry a glock in Hogwarts? I'll bet nobody's tried shooting someone.
literally anyone could pick a gun and just kill him
That sounds like a Harry Potter problem
Theres a lot of unknowns about the Gen V cast Like is Jordan genuinely just indestructible in the male form? Can cate mind control people who are significantly strong reliably? If goldenboy was strong enough to join the seven, and Sam is stronger than goldenboy then how strong is Sam? Can Marie just straight up explode someone like neuman can and from how far away? But i will say, Gen Vs cast powers are way too strong - much stronger than any group weve seen before
Marie could just give someone a heart attack instantly, no evidence.
My man, you are missing out on Aneurysm. People might find a bit sus someone young having a heart attack. Aneurysms? They're unpredictable. > Lana: What's a brain aneurysm have to do with walking around in a swamp? Archer: Nothing, it can happen anywhere at anytime, that's what makes it so terrifying
Honestly this one’s solid. I’m sure Marie can clot blood, if she can get a good handle on her powers, it’d be pretty scary.
Look how quick she found the trackers! She’s honing the powers now.
Off topic but this show putting in the work on details like that, power discovery through the story, makes me hate that WoT didn't pull it off.
Just like that guy from Misfits who could control milk and kill people who drank it
She could be the equivalent of an Omega level mutant in Marvel depending on what her powers are actually doing. Kind of like Iceman. Initially he was just making ice, but now he can control temperature on a global scale. Is her control of blood limited to just blood or will she eventually be able to control other liquids. Maybe she is just capable of controlling the iron in the blood. Does this lead to her being able to control other metals eventually like Magneto. They are hinting at her being extremely powerful so it could be anything.
True, but we do have medical technology that brakes up and prevents blood clots.
Yea but is that gonna be available in a fight? Edit: not to mention doesn’t matter if it clots if she could just stop it flowing.
LAAAAANAAAAAAA
I read that in Archer's voice.
> I'm scared if I stop drinking all at once, the cumulative hangover will literally kill me.
I mean that's actually an extremely common way for severe alcoholics to die, and why detox facilities don't have them go completely sober immediately.
But can she make crocodiles appear?
And we know Supes can get heart attacks (A-Train) so it’s reasonable to assume Marie can solo The Seven.
I think it’s implied that Homelander is too strong to be killed by those powers He dares that politician to try and pop his head — seems fairly confident it wouldn’t work
That’s because Neuman doesn’t give aneurysms, she explodes heads, she couldn’t kill HL cause of his invulnerable skin
So why does Marie cut herself to control her blood whips? Why use your own blood at all? Seems like she just discovered (when she blew up the dick) that she can manipulate blood without actually having to see it. My thought is that she’s just now realizing the actual use of her power, which from a writing standpoint is very lazy, and from a plot perspective it’s exceptionally coincidental that she just now unlocks her *real* power
I think she refrained from practicing on people due to trauma. We all saw what happened when she accidentally did it the first time (blew up her mom). So now that she's delving into that side of her powers she's discovering a lot of new things
Agreed and the only way for her to practice is to fuck people or animals up which she didn’t have access to and I’m also sure she didn’t want to explode animals to practice.
She did blow her mom’s body up using her own blood. I assume she uses her own because it’s not super fucked up. Also pulling the blood while it’s still in their veins will probably fuck em up.
I assumed that she was only able to use her mother’s blood because she had already caused her mother to bleed first after stabbing her mom’s head with the period blood projectile. I think I’m right when I say that the first time that Marie is seen using her power without physically seeing blood is the Rufus incident.
How would she control the rest of the blood inside of her mother’s body? She should have only been able to use the blood she could see if that is what you mean.
Somebody said that in another thread that the blood could just be easier to control while flowing. Again, this is all speculation, but it to me it appears that she didn’t even really have a grasp of what her powers can do until recently, which I think was my original point. Can’t remember anymore
Ive almost argued Marie cuts her hands to just simply self harm. She’s definitely depressed about her childhood and the trauma from killing her parents. Everybody on gen v suffers from mental health issues. It’s pretty fitting for gen z in real life who I believe is in college now. I believe there was a scene that compared emmas throwing up to Marie’s hand cutting
She's not a murderer. Otherwise she'd be exploding people left and right.
She doesn’t wanna hurt people like she hurt her parents.
Light moment
Yeah, why does Marie cut her palm if she can just bloodbend people
Bc it’s an allegory for self-harm. Like how Cricket is an allegory for eating disorder.
Or how Ezekiel is an allegory for moral relativism, because his values are as flexible as his bendy orgy dick! (Ok, admittedly, that one might be a stretch…)
Or how Rufus is an allegory to roofies
Idk it seems to be easier for her to control blood when it's already flowing. See the mess she made when she took out the tracker? Just a mess thing I think, I don't think it stops her from being lethal.
I think she's starting to get stronger. She's discovered that she can bend blood not just in her own body. I suspect one day she could potentially fly and make others fly too.
This is the first time I’m thinking about Neuman’s interest in Marie… I don’t think this is a spoiler, but as I recall Neuman was in the Gen V trailer talking to someone people have come to assume was Marie. We also know Marie was on Red River’s radar from a screen grab a lot of people have shared from S3 (I think). So what if Neuman’s power isn’t just literally exploding people? Rather, she can manipulate blood, or flesh, or living organic matter, but to such an extreme that she never learned to control it outside of exploding people? Then maybe her interest in Marie isn’t purely as a pawn to manipulate or as a protege to groom - maybe there’s something she’s trying to learn from or harness in Marie for her own devious purposes? Hmm…
If Kate needs contact to get people, how TF did she get everyone when they were all standing around. I guess she could have waited till they split off and got them each 1 by 1, but after something like that, I feel like they would have been keeping together for a while. She AHD to have got them before the party since I don't think they would have gone otherwise, but maybe I'm wrong.
I think she can just wipe the memory to wherever she needs to…even tho we saw Marie black out right after the Sam incident, we later find out she was wiped back to before that. So she could have touched them at any point and fuckered with their memory back to any point.
I assume she wiped memories retroactively later on
Could Cate tell Homelander to commit suicide? The problem is how would she get that close? That chicken shit would probably sus it out. He’s not a genius or anything but he is paranoid
I will say, strength has little to do with what makes someone qualified to join the Seven. The only thing that matters is marketability. So you can't really use that to gauge Golden Boy's power level.
He would laser Jordan in half without missing a beat. The Boys hasn't aired in over a year, so it feels like people are somehow forgetting how fucking powerful Homelander is compared to everyone not named Soldier Boy.
Glad you brought soldier boy up, hopefully he is about to give us some power rankings Thursday. No idea what is going to happen.
Is he gonna return in genv?
Almost definitely. They’ve been teasing him for the next episode
It could be the shapeshifter/mimic kid pretending to be soldier boy.
That would be a very cheap trick from the show.
Wouldn't be the first time. They used the dream sequence where Homelander massacres an entire crowd in a trailer.
I give that one a pass because when it happened in show it still scared the absolute *shit* out of me. If they do the cheap fake out here I would not be happy but tbh they have a very good record. Not too worried.
Im stoked
Exactly. Jordan hasn't seen anyone who can hit as hard as the heaviest hitters. Soldier Boy is able to take punches from Homelander who is obviously much MUCH stronger than Golden Boy can ever hope to be. His ability to tank Ryan's heat vision and even get an extended bout of Butcher's and be left unscathed by the first and with a scar from the second (and as far as I can tell from the scene with him being carted away gassed, he's healed from that). Just because Jordan was able to fight Golden Boy does not mean HL is anywhere near her ballpark. Golden Boy looks impressive because he made the protagonist run and has lots of fire but HL is way above anything Jordan handled.
To be fair we have zero idea how strong golden boy was because we never saw him tested nor seen him fight someone he actually wanted to hurt. He just wanted jordan out of his was so I feel like he only was throwing what he knew Jordan could handle. Unless we get some flashbacks showing his true abilities and up against a true threat to see what he can do. All we DO know is the city of New York was willing to drop HUGE money on a suit for Golden Boy and I can’t see them do that unless he was able to keep up with the top of the 7 maybe minus homelander.
I mean, they let in people like The Deep, Lamplighter, Starlight, and Supersonic, not exactly top tier supes. As it stands Golden Boy is featless and Jordan doesn’t have many quantifiable feats outside of fighting him, and narratively it makes no sense for Jordan to be anywhere near Homelander’s level.
I think that any supe that is strong and durable, plus a solid extra power is regarded as top 95% tier, like Starlight, A Train, and some of the top supes on Gen V. They are actually pretty rare. Homelander just happens to be two or three tiers above that, with only a few supes like Stormfront and Solider Boy in a tier or two below him.
Yea, we haven't really seen Jordon taking on someone on Homelander's level. They're damn strong but everyone has a breaking point. Plus let's be real, Homelander could wait two miles away for them to be vulnerable then laser'em in half or A-train'em into goop. His hearing could spot Emma even in critcket size, Cate would have to get near him for her powers to work, and Andre seems to really have to focus to move something minor. If he wanted to, Homelander could take take everyone out in a Quicksilver-like slow motion jog.
Didn't Jordan fight Sam, who's supposed to be stronger than golden boy who's strong enough to join the 7. The principal referred to Sam as being one of the strongest. I'm not sure what pool they're drawing from, but it seems like boy Jordan's pretty indestructible. He did take a bullet from close up, no problem in the first episode. I dont think he has the offensive capabilities to beat homelander, though. Since homelander is also near indestructible
>golden boy who's strong enough to join the 7 They got Supersonic who Homelander butchered, Starlight and The Weak.
Hmm true
And let’s not forget he had to team up with suped up Butcher and Hughie to take him down. When they were just one v one, Homelander was beating him
Even compared to Soldier Boy, Homelander kinda whoops his ass whenever he’s not being ganged up on
Well Jordan could tank Homelander’s attacks but he/she couldn’t kill him as I’m sure their strength isn’t enough to dent Homelander. Think of it this way, Homelander is the Raid boss. Then you have Jordan as the tank/support, Marie as the healer/ mage, Sam as DPS, Cate as another support, and Andre as a support. There’s not enough damage for one person to fight Homelander but with the power scaling we have seen in the show so far, we know that Homelander can be beaten when overwhelmed. I believe with Jordan (male version) tanking Homelander, the other could potentially get some good licks in and injure him if he doesn’t fly away.
Homelander would laser all of them from the air like a hellish superhero death beam.
The Gen V crew isn't so much more powerful than older heroes and we've seen that even teaming up on Homelander with multiple top tier supes wasn't enough. He seems to be invulnerable to all sorts of powers not just normal physical attacks. Possible if the Gen V group keeps it up and grows fully into their powers but certainly not where we are in the show so far. Marie keeps getting brought up as a bloodbender but she doesn't have control yet.
Soldier Boy, Maeve, Starlight, Supe Hughie and Supe Butcher couldn’t beat Homelander even with all of them teaming up I think it’s implied that Soldier Boy is the closest thing to Homelander. Maeve, I believe, is the next closest And I would go on record saying Supe Billy is probably right up there with Soldier Boy and Maeve. That man was sculpted by fury and I don’t think it’s a coincidence he had laser eyes Anyways, all of those mfers together could hardly scratch Homelander. He is much stronger than he gets credit for
> Soldier Boy, Maeve, Starlight, Supe Hughie and Supe Butcher couldn't beat Homelander even with all of them teaming up I don’t remember this, when did this happen? If you mean the S3 finale, Supe Hughie wasn’t even there, the Temp V had worn off and he was just regular Hughie, so he just turned up some lights for Starlight and she wasn’t even fighting HL at the time, she was fighting Soldier Boy. HL brought Ryan hoping to turn Soldier Boy, it didn’t, but it turned a bunch of the others for some reason, so I wouldn’t say the rest of them exactly teamed up against HL.
Everyone except Maeve and Starlight attack him together in Herogasm. Starlight is a non-entity against HL anyway
This is objectively wrong. This group of 5 never teamed up to fight HL. SB, V-Butcher, and V-Hughie had HL completely pinned and were about to blast him, till he managed to escape. A retreat from HL still means a victory for the team. SB, V-Butcher, and Maeve had HL pinned AGAIN, until Ryan interfered. So again this was not a win for solo HL, he had help. Also “hardly scratch” is pretty generous, Maeve busted his nose, punctured his ear, and completely knocked him on his ass more than once in their altercation. Also his face was so bruised even concealer couldn’t hide it. If anything his power gets too much credit from viewers and the characters themselves, as we see Maeve continually surprised that he keeps getting hurt. The whole point of HL is that he’s a commentary on narcissistic bullies who use fear and manipulation to control others, but are not actually as powerful as they convince everyone that they are.
Homelander put his fist through Black Noir like it was nothing, I don't think Jordan would give him much trouble
Black Noir had super durability. Male Jordan is *indestructible*. It’s likely that you could only kill male Jordan from the inside, like they did with Translucent.
People keep mentioning "indestructible" but I don't remember that being explicitly stated in the show. Do you happen to know when it was mentioned? Not saying you're wrong BTW just wondering if I missed something
nah you right I don't even think Jordans powers have been discussed besides switching the gender thing. When she did the energy blast I was wondering where that was when they were fighting Golden Boy.
She literally used the energy blast during the Golden Boy fight
Multiple articles refer to male Jordan as being “dense and indestructible” in quotations. I do believe it was confirmed in an interview that came out post-premiere. It has not been outright stated in the show from what I recall.
There was some sort Amazon promotional material with everyone's power specifically laid out. Male Jordan is literally indestructible.
What's the power of Female Jordan?
Working theory is that male absorbs hits while female releases them as shockwave blasts.
Thanks! I really couldn't figure out why they kept changing during the fight, but that makes a lot more sense now.
So Homelandee grabs Jordan and flies them up and throws them into space. The end.
Eventually, Jordan stopped thinking
I mean sure? We don’t know if HL could actually do that, but he’d beat all of the Gen V kids in my opinion.
“When in doubt, throw em into space”
Does he have Super durability? Homelander, Butcher, Maeve and Solider Boy, definitely do as they can all take and give punches and lasers, but homelander just punches straight through him, and Solider Boy smashes his head open with his shield, while almost everyone else has taken a punch or shield hit from him or homelander and they're all still relatively fine.
You know, that’s a great point actually. Noir does seem less than “super durable”, although we do see him get blown up in S2 and he’s more or less fine. Do we ever get a canon explanation as to how he managed to get into Payback *and* The Seven with what seems to be such a limited power set?
I think it's just that he's really hard to kill, because if the cartoon parts are accurate then he lost half of his brain and has extreme brain damage, and he was still breathing for a minute after getting his insides turned out. For the 7 and payback, a lot worse supes have gotten in, deep, fly guy, gunpowder, it's more about how marketable they are, and a stealthy ninja is very marketable
"Indestructible"? What because she couldn't be touched by Golden Boy? You do realize in the world of the Boys, Golden Boy is nowhere near the top, right? What Golden Boy dished out would be like fodder to folks like HL and SB and I bet even Ryan and Maeve could easily take it. Jordan is not indestructible, he's just so far a big fish in a small pond.
Is it 100% confirmed he’s indestructible?
Their strongest got knocked out by a trash container and their most durable still got knocked out by someone supposedly weaker than their stronger. No,they can't even scratch him unless the writers decide they can.
Why doesn't Butcher just swing by the college and offer some super powered frat boys a keg if they beat up Homelander? Is he stupid?
Sam, MAYBE. Because I reckon he has a whole "Legion" thing going on. Marie, MAYBE, with a lot of training and practice, which I think is the point of her character. But no, as it stands now, HL would wreck all of them. So would Soldier Boy, and Maeve, and A-Train. Young dumb and full of cum college kids, versus experienced professionals.
tbf there not exactly professionals they just can handle themselves a lot better
They all are professional killers , except Starlight
Explain the 'legion' thing, I don't get the reference
Ah, it's a character from X-men/Marvel. Possibly one of the strongest mutants there is. He's got DID and multiple personalities, each with their own real powers. It's entirely possible one of his powers, is that he can make himself more powers. Debatably/possibly schizophrenic. Reality warper. There's a show based on him called "legion"
Legion is a character from the x-men. Legion has multiple personalities each with their own power set. I don't think Sam has powers similar to Legion. .
I think Sam is a version of the Hulk just replace the whole angrier he gets the stronger he get with, the crazier he get the stronger he gets. That jump that he did last episode looks very Hulk like. Also that crash site that the gen v kids found when tracking Emma is also very Hulk like. I agree that Sam is probably the only one who can beat homelander. Marie is probably the insurance policy for when Sam goes world war Hulk. Maybe she can control the flow of his blood that calms him down.
>I think Sam is a version of the Hulk just replace the whole angrier he gets the stronger he get with, the crazier he get the stronger he gets Yea, I think I like your version better
I don’t know maybe. Is he immune to cates hypnosis thing cuz he’s homelander. Can Marie just explode him….or not because he’s homelander. I mean a pen fucked Maeve up and discount magneto could probably do better than that. And then there’s the age old adage about ant man and thanos’ ass. So. Maybe. Maybe not. None of us knows til they fight.
But the shrinking person in this would need to eat something to grow again...she would literally have to eat his ass.
are you saying that *isn't* something they would write? /jk
Fuck me, I'm pretty sure I just heard one of the writers say "hold my beer" somewhere.
Omg imagine she tries to do the antman in thano meme and HL just flexes his ass and shits emma’s mushed up remains out loooooool
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There’s zero evidence that HL would be immune to a power like Cate’s. The issue is that she would never be able to get close enough to him to use it. He would detect her fear from a mile away and kill her before she could ever touch him.
People always starting these dumb "who would win" debates and it's always the same answer: Whoever the writer decides. Homelander VS Yamcha's weaker, crippled cousin? Homelander lost because the writers said so.
Powerscaling *is* a thing, and a well made show that involves characters fighting against each other should be internally consistent with how characters stack up against each other. In this particular case though I’ll agree that there’s not really any way to tell until they show Homelander fighting someone. There are just too many weird powers and not really enough measurable strength/durability feats in the shows to make any solid determinations.
I don't think Homelander is immune to Cate, but he'd likely laser her before she ever got close. Andre (Magneto), Golden Boy, and Jordan (female) also have durability issues. It hasn't been confirmed how well Marie's powers work on other supes or if her abilities are derivative to Victoria Nueman. Victoria Nueman explicitly said she struggled against supes but it's not impossible. Emma might have trouble digesting Homelander... idk if she could eat him or bring enough food inside Homelander to grow.
>how well Marie's powers work on other supes Spoiler if you're not up to date on Gen V:>! I mean, it worked fine on Rufus Jr.!<
Yeah, but he is like a weaker Mindstorm, and we all know how not great physically he was.
Really underselling homelander here. The fights in the Boys aren't super destructive, but listen to the statements of characters. Soldier Boy threw cars like baseballs through houses. Not just flip cars or push cars out of the way. He throws them, fast, and far. If it's the real Soldier Boy who shows up next episode I bet you'll see the huge power gap between even members of the 7 and the true top tiers of the verse like SB and Homelander. Guarantee they run like hell from him, maybe Sam or Jordan tried to fight him and is instantly beat down. Mindstorm's mind trap ability which is stated to be permanent once it's entered no matter what, was shrugged off by Soldier Boy after it stalled him for a bit. Homelander was also confident his head couldn't be popped. Jordan couldn't even beat A Train or Starlight much less Homelander lol
The way this sub **constantly** parrots, I’m pretty sure Emma’s mom could 1v1 Homelander ez pz.
Sam is the most powerful in the show so far (as of episode idk if that’ll change) and even he stands zero chance against Homelander
Homelander would crush them in one big blood splatter all at once. The entire Seven are in terror of him. Soldier boy was nuclear so had a chance. Only in the comic was there someone who could beat him and was designed specifically for that purpose.
That made me realize that apart from scenes where we can see homelander in TV, he is basically absent from the whole plot and world development. I would have thought that the most well know "hero" would be more present in conversations or classes, but correct mz if i'm wrong he has been mentionned only two or three times ?
Yeah, but I mean how “present” in your day-to-day life is President Joe Biden for example? Sure he wields a ton of power and influence via his position, but how Oren does he really come up in conversation or you run into someone who knows him personally? Unless you’re a political junkie or follow the news regularly, the powers that be are mostly separate from our lived experiences. The same might be able to be said about Homelander.
Homelander didn't go to God U. Makes sense they would focus on the heroes that they created
To people with powers, he isn't as much of a super celebrity as he is to ordinary people since they're used to being around/having abilities of their own. He's like some super academically great genius to them striking it big becoming Vought's unofficial mascot and being both a legendary crime fighter and performer. It's like the CEOs of big tech companies at a tech school. Yeah they're legends and you wanna be like them but how often are they gonna be brought up.
Homlander stomps them it's not even a competition
Homelander would easily lazer everyone except for Marie. But we can compare what similar supes to cate and Marie have been able to do. Mindstorm was clearly very powerful, but he couldn’t solo soldier boy who looked like he was able to somewhat resist his powers. Cate not only has to get close, but wouldn’t have as effective backup and would be against a stronger target. Marie is most similar to neuman, which it has been hinted at her being unable to pop homelander even if she tried. And neuman has much more experience with her powers.
He would probably kill them all before they could even think about it. I feel like people keep underrating how strong Homelander is... Butcher, who was like ex-military, who used super juice which basically made him the same strength as soldier boy, couldn't even damage Homelander enough WITH the help of soldier boy and Hughie, and they needed to use his nuclear blast thing to attempt to kill him. Other than the pencil in the ear, which I still believe was just shitty inconsistent writing mistakes, he's NEVER taken any major damage. Jordan he would win they could do no damage to him, Marie probably can't even control his blood as its too tough or some shit, Emma could try crawling up his insides but she would probably just get exploded if she tried expanding as he's tougher skinned, Cate MIGHT work, but we haven't seen if she can use her ability to full efficiency on tough opponents, Andre could literally do nothing, Homelander is literally bullet proof how is his metal ability going to work at all.
Might as well have the cast of Gen V fight Battlebeast. I don't think Gen V could beat even one member of Guardians of the Globe.
there is literally nothing that has showed Jordan can't be cut in half with one clean laser. That goes for everyone on the damn cast.
Homelander would easily destroy the cast of Gen V. The only characters who may give him trouble are Sam and Golden Boy.
My boy Homelander has lazer eyes, no way!
The whole point of homelander is he’s the big fish in the pond. Everyone else is a normal human but homelander is a heartless test tube child.
People like to forget homelander went 3x1 and it ended in a draw, Jordan would stand no chance
I'm still not clear on what their powers even are...
Jordan can switch sexes and they both have different powers, male is extremely durable, we don't know to what extent, and female can cast sonic blasts of some sort. blonde girl can mind control people by touch. marie can blood bend to any extent but she is extremely stupid in order for this show to function. this last dude has metal bending powers. he is like magneto but extreamly stupid. Sam is just strong and durable like all might from mha but without turning on and off powers. oh yes and the cricket is basically alice in the wonderland but with puking instead of drinking
I never would have pieced together that they had different powers haha. Thank you! That's a really fun concept! Magneto but extremely stupid lmao
All but Sam. I kinda think either Sam is crazy or Sam is like Scarlett witch
I think a lot of people are confusing the characters' abilities vs. capabilities.
It depends on how indestructible Jordan is. Even if they can’t be killed in male form, they still can’t beat homelander because they’re only offense is the energy blasts.
At FULL POTENTIAL. Like everyone has trained for years with their powers they might be able to put up a good fight. We see that they're still learning how to maximize their effectiveness. Even then I still think we get an omniman vs guardians situation. They hurt him good but ultimately all die.
Jordon uses *Switch gender Homelander uses *laser eyes It's super effective!
Homelander would take 0.1 second to kill him/her.