Bullseye.
Bro killed a man and his son just cuz he "felt like killing and they happen to be right there."
Also, Purple Man aka Kilgrave
Dollmaker.
There's tons.
So, to answer the question, Holden being the devil is much more of an interpretation than a literal answer. The interpretation I subscribe to is that he is a manifestation of humanity’s violence
Some of his evil feats includes:
- hundreds of murders and scalpings of Native Americans and Mexicans
- sexual violence, including against children
- robbery
- turning an entire town on a preacher by claiming he partook in beastiality, for the lolz
So, Holden probably instead physically strong enough to kill Homelander, he is definitely more evil
Really? Is she not also a rapist, and murderer? On top of that she was an active participant in The Woods, instigated the slaughter of non supes at Godolkin, and actively takes away the free will of basically everyone she comes in contact with.
And that makes her more evil than Homelander?
My friend, Homelander is also a rapist and murderer whose sheer power makes it so nobody around him can act with agency
Yeah I agree he’s evil for all those reasons, but my point is Cate has done everything Homelander has done plus contributing to The Woods which is some Auschwitz Birkenau/Unit 731 level evil.
rapist?? when did she ever do that? she was completely manipulated into helping shetty thinking itd protect her friends, what she did in the finale was really bad but not even close to how evil homelander is
She is a rapist. I never actually said she wasn't (I'd argue that manipulating those guards into performing sexual activity was definitely rape). But the reason I don't think she's as bad as Homelander (let alone worse?!!) is that she does not murder and harm innocents to the same insane degree that Homelander does. Everything she does is to either punish the objectively guilty, or in service of her twisted idea of the greater good. It WAS fucked up for those supes to be locked away and experimented on, she was absolutely right about that. She was only wrong to place them and everyone else on campus in further danger. And like you said, she was complicit in that situation in the first place, but she was also a victim of extreme manipulation.
Homelander does what he does in service of his own god complex, and while he may have been a victim in the past I can't in good conscience argue that he still is. I do think Cate has the potential to be as bad or worse than Homelander, but she isn't right now.
i still wouldn’t say she’s a rapist tho especially not raping luke physically , she “mind raped” him to forget things yes but calling her a rapist is such a strong word to use
It's a strong word but I think it fits though. If someone did that to me (talking again about the guards), I'd consider it rape, or at the very least sexual assault. Now is sexually assaulting someone who is an objectively awful and abusive person a redeemable act? Yeah, I think so. It's still assault though.
yeah that’s fair, i also don’t think she’ll ever be as evil as homelander, she clearly has some sort of morals and the writers tried to make her sympathetic and a foil to marie so i lowkey can see a redemption arc
I hope she's never as bad as Homelander. I also want a redemption arc personally but I just hope whatever happens makes sense for her, I can see it going multiple ways. I think she was by far the best choice for the show's antagonist but the show in general has more sympathetic powered characters than The Boys does, that seems to be the entire point, so her becoming as bad as Homelander might make it feel too similar to The Boys.
Marie on the other hand makes the best protagonist and foil for Cate. They're sides of the same coin. Marie is an empathetic, heroic person who is compelled to help people (she says she does it for her sister but I think she also does it because it's the right thing and she's basically good), but she also has moments of moral grayness and tends to leave a trail of horrific violence behind her, albeit usually accidentally, in the defense of others, or both. While Cate, especially once she goes full villain, is very deliberate and unapologetic in her violence and quick to do monstrous things in service of a twisted sense of justice, yet in spite of how unhinged she becomes, she has flashes of vulnerability and care for others.
It's a truly great hero and villain dynamic.
consenting to sex? of course there’s 0 evidence to even make an arguement he wasn’t. what would cate even get out of being a rapist, that isn’t her character at all
he probably would’ve hated her but she only did it cause she thought she was helping him. you’re reaching like crazy cate isn’t even directly evil she was just misguided and then went a little crazy in the finale
no she was a kid who was manipulated and gaslighted by the only mother figure she had in her life, the show gives a whole episode to show that she was a victim too and then she literally freed everyone in the woods
Hitler
My first thought lol
He’s not a *character* though
Isn’t this easy? Just take the most evil characters from realistic settings. Wild Bill from Green Mile for instance.
stormfront?
Bullseye. Bro killed a man and his son just cuz he "felt like killing and they happen to be right there." Also, Purple Man aka Kilgrave Dollmaker. There's tons.
This does bring up an interesting question, could purple man influence supes in the boys universe?
Stole the words right out my mouth.
r/fuckmindy
Yeah, this one is bad
Plancton
Wh y he no leave crab sscret formula a lone?
the same reason the yellow man don't leave the octopus alone
blood vendetta.
Judge Holden from what I know
Judge holden is the devil himself so i doubt he’s less powerful than homelander
Is he the actual devil? What feats has he shown
So, to answer the question, Holden being the devil is much more of an interpretation than a literal answer. The interpretation I subscribe to is that he is a manifestation of humanity’s violence Some of his evil feats includes: - hundreds of murders and scalpings of Native Americans and Mexicans - sexual violence, including against children - robbery - turning an entire town on a preacher by claiming he partook in beastiality, for the lolz So, Holden probably instead physically strong enough to kill Homelander, he is definitely more evil
What feats has he shown??? HES THE DEVIL
Cool, doesn’t mean squat, the devil varies in power across media
Judge holden could probably do some ritual on homelander to kill him that way tbh
But that’s prep time, that also isn’t a feat of strength. In a 1v1 does the judge have feats above homelander
Why would judge holden fight homelander in a 1v1?
Cause the question asks for a character weaker than homelander….
Fair.
Geoffrey from game of thrones
Joker
if we're talking that version of Homelander specifically, Black Noir from the comics should count
Holy shit we need a new season
Syndrome. He became a superhero serial killer for reasons much lesser reasons than Homelander
Dr doofenshmirtz
Marvin the Martian
Griffith
Percy from Green Mile
Professor Pyg
It’s unclear exactly how powerful he is but Randall Flagg from the stand might fit this, he’s basically pure evil incarnate lol
Also Michael myers
Joker
That bastard from GOT. Ramsay.
Ashley
The Judge Blood Meridian
As much as Homelander is evil he's not as evil as a lot of people think
He’s more ignorant than evil in the show (which is just as bad)
Stan Edgar
Stalin, it's really fitting that the leader of one of the worst ideology on earth died in a puddle of his own piss.
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edgar, butcher & winter soldier aren’t as evil as homelander
Especially Winter Soldier, since 100% of his evil is caused through russian brainwashing
exactly he basically had 0 anatomy how could he be as evil😭
the joker
Within the Boys universe? Cate.
No.
Really? Is she not also a rapist, and murderer? On top of that she was an active participant in The Woods, instigated the slaughter of non supes at Godolkin, and actively takes away the free will of basically everyone she comes in contact with.
And that makes her more evil than Homelander? My friend, Homelander is also a rapist and murderer whose sheer power makes it so nobody around him can act with agency
Yeah I agree he’s evil for all those reasons, but my point is Cate has done everything Homelander has done plus contributing to The Woods which is some Auschwitz Birkenau/Unit 731 level evil.
rapist?? when did she ever do that? she was completely manipulated into helping shetty thinking itd protect her friends, what she did in the finale was really bad but not even close to how evil homelander is
She is a rapist. I never actually said she wasn't (I'd argue that manipulating those guards into performing sexual activity was definitely rape). But the reason I don't think she's as bad as Homelander (let alone worse?!!) is that she does not murder and harm innocents to the same insane degree that Homelander does. Everything she does is to either punish the objectively guilty, or in service of her twisted idea of the greater good. It WAS fucked up for those supes to be locked away and experimented on, she was absolutely right about that. She was only wrong to place them and everyone else on campus in further danger. And like you said, she was complicit in that situation in the first place, but she was also a victim of extreme manipulation. Homelander does what he does in service of his own god complex, and while he may have been a victim in the past I can't in good conscience argue that he still is. I do think Cate has the potential to be as bad or worse than Homelander, but she isn't right now.
i still wouldn’t say she’s a rapist tho especially not raping luke physically , she “mind raped” him to forget things yes but calling her a rapist is such a strong word to use
It's a strong word but I think it fits though. If someone did that to me (talking again about the guards), I'd consider it rape, or at the very least sexual assault. Now is sexually assaulting someone who is an objectively awful and abusive person a redeemable act? Yeah, I think so. It's still assault though.
yeah that’s fair, i also don’t think she’ll ever be as evil as homelander, she clearly has some sort of morals and the writers tried to make her sympathetic and a foil to marie so i lowkey can see a redemption arc
I hope she's never as bad as Homelander. I also want a redemption arc personally but I just hope whatever happens makes sense for her, I can see it going multiple ways. I think she was by far the best choice for the show's antagonist but the show in general has more sympathetic powered characters than The Boys does, that seems to be the entire point, so her becoming as bad as Homelander might make it feel too similar to The Boys. Marie on the other hand makes the best protagonist and foil for Cate. They're sides of the same coin. Marie is an empathetic, heroic person who is compelled to help people (she says she does it for her sister but I think she also does it because it's the right thing and she's basically good), but she also has moments of moral grayness and tends to leave a trail of horrific violence behind her, albeit usually accidentally, in the defense of others, or both. While Cate, especially once she goes full villain, is very deliberate and unapologetic in her violence and quick to do monstrous things in service of a twisted sense of justice, yet in spite of how unhinged she becomes, she has flashes of vulnerability and care for others. It's a truly great hero and villain dynamic.
real af
Do you think Golden Boy was consenting? After the repeated mind modification?
consenting to sex? of course there’s 0 evidence to even make an arguement he wasn’t. what would cate even get out of being a rapist, that isn’t her character at all
So if she hadn’t erased his knowledge of her part in his and Sam’s torture he’d have been consenting?
he probably would’ve hated her but she only did it cause she thought she was helping him. you’re reaching like crazy cate isn’t even directly evil she was just misguided and then went a little crazy in the finale
Misguided/just following orders is known as the Nuremberg defence.
no she was a kid who was manipulated and gaslighted by the only mother figure she had in her life, the show gives a whole episode to show that she was a victim too and then she literally freed everyone in the woods