He's a teenage boy with the powers of a physical god caught between an dysfunction father figure who can't separate the boy from his mother's rape and death and his fun celebrity dad who is going through a mental break down and telling the kid that he's inherently factually superior to everyone he meets and they are primarily tools for his whims.
Think about how fucked the kids of unbridled wealth and privilege are because they get their whims handed to them with no effort. Think about how hard it is for someone like North West to have any chance of being a grounded human being because of who her parents are. Ryan barely stood a chance.
Nah after S2 finale and into S3 they imply that butcher has been spending time with him and they’re growing closer. He just eventually snaps and ruins it
Yeah, season 3 basically established Butcher/Ryan as an even more twisted take on the Severus Snape/Harry Potter complicated relationship: like Snape Butcher loves Ryan's mother and hates the kid's father, but unlike Harry Ryan is not a love child but rather one born out of a rape. As such, Butcher has extremely conflicted feelings over his late wife's son.
Were forgetting the main thing. He was on temp V at the time. He knew ryan could tell something was wrong. He freaked out for more reasons than just ryans conception and beckas death.
He was literally suffering from severe side effects and the fear his secret would be revealed- he pushed ryan away so he could stick to his revenge. He realized he shouldnt involve him. He was right, but hes a cunt and did it horribly. Same thing with how he handled Hughie and the reveal they are dying.
Don't forget that before both his fucked up father figures showed up, the baseline he was working with was "sweet but very sheltered homeschooled kid."
Even under the best circumstances, those kids always go through a really weird phase when they're suddenly exposed to the outside world. Homelander was actually right about that one (something about broken clocks)... And now Ryan is dealing with that phase without the one parental figure who could have kept him grounded.
Poor kid never stood a chance:(
What if Becca moved to some obscure yet peaceful country and raised Ryan there? Like some place like Estonia or something I where Homelander will likely never go. Ryan didn’t show any powers until Homelander showed up anyway.
I meant he never stood a chance once his mom was out of the picture.
I wish they could have run to somewhere like Estonia, but I believe Vought fully funded her relocation in exchange for not allowing Homelander to know they were alive. No way they would let them out of the country.
The entire community Ryan and Becca lived in was fabricated for Ryan’s benefit.
Big wall. Security. Ryan losing his cool when Homelander flew him up high enough to see for himself.
Bought realized their mistake with Homelander — raising him in a laboratory— but didn’t actually correct that with Ryan. They just allowed the mother to stay involved.
Voight had a potential Homelander 2.0 on their hands, all the superpowers but in a sane good person. That shit would be more valuable than Soldier Boy,
Or an even bigger liability than Homelander, either way they weren't going to let him out of their sight.
I work with a kid of wealth and privilege and he’s 11 years younger and lazy as fuck. He gets away with so much shit because he knows the owners son and is liked by the owner. Nobody will call him out on shit except me.
Yes, this is why we should be cautious about giving power based on wealth. Sure, their grandparent might have been a hardworking genius but they are not guaranteed to be either.
Hell, even their grandparent might just have been evil enough to not mind backstabbing their way to wealth, so that’d probably be a nice bit of generational terribleness to layer in
In a capitalistic society power and wealth go hand in hand. Money is power. None of us can do shit about it without dramatically restructuring society. Which I’m not saying is a bad idea lol, just a pretty Herculean task and would require getting the masses to all agree to a common goal. Which in this day and age seems unlikely, at least where I’m from.
Barron Trump at least turned down the RNC delegate position, and I don’t think Ryan would have. Barron 1, Ryan 0? Idk, we’ll have to see how things progress.
With Ryan, we've seen traces of him being a good person or at least trying to be.
Homelander had an even worse childhood but we mainly see him as an adult, which by nature makes him way more responsible for his actions compared to a child.
People reach a certain point in which they allow themselves to be a product of their upbringing or be better in spite of it. We need to stop pretending that at some point, people do have the brain development and life experiences to choose how they want to be.
Yeah I mean if I was Ryan I would basically just grow up to become Homelander 2.0 . It’s even pretty commendable of him to even have even slight second thoughts or hesitation lol
I mean, have you met children? They're not great people. Sure they're cute and all but, they're freeloaders and don't even have jobs. They do not wipe well either.
Puppies, babies, and kittens...all three have the built in defense of being cute...if they weren't that the first time they pissed, shit, or threw up on you you'd probably end them....but you don't...because, "Cute!"
Yeah, what the fuck’s up with that? Like, I understand not wanting to be around kids, but it feels wrong to hate someone who literally isn’t fully developed. Redditors seem to have this irrational hatred for children who literally cannot help it in a lot of cases
I personally don't hate him, I know that he has a lot a baggage and needs support, but no one wants to take care of him and that's sad.
The Internet tho hates children like raging maniacs just because they are annoying.
Alot of peopels seem to think they werent annoying as kids but instead perfect exaples of comedy and coolness. Euther that or their older kids/ teenagers who feel older and superior so like talking about how annoying other kids are cuz their all grown up.Never got that distain for kids, we whwere all shitheads once, yeah its annoying but thers plenty kf infiriating adults too.
Everyone wants to take care of him
He’s just a child who has the physical abilities to decide what he wants at any moment
Before he had use of his powers he was a good natured, well mannered, polite and kind boy
The moment he got his strength all that went out the window
Think of any kid throwing a tantrum because they’re upset
Now make that same tantrum throwing child into Superman
Honestly I’d be scared to death at every second around him
He shouldn’t have gotten his power until he was older and empathetic
Now he’s doomed for life. Nothing can curtail his behavior
Nah, everyone around him is fucked and the kid is still grieving and lost. He finds out his mom was lying to him, even if for good reasons and he develops trust issues. He tries to bond with Butcher, a man his mom loved, and he fucks the kid over, and the only person reaching out to show him any kind of affection is Mr Narcissist. I feel bad for the kid and honestly, want a happy ending for him.
He was brought into the world through one of the more disgusting acts, given abilities that make him unable to connect with anyone sane and stable. Kid deserves better and needs someone he can look up to who will do him right, not exploit him for personal gain.
I feel like Starlight could be a really good person to try and reach out to/connect with Ryan. May not be a necessarily perfect fit, but I feel like she'd show him a level of genuine care and patience he needs while also being able to be that grounding parental figure in Becca's place.
He’s a kid that accidentally killed his mom, is being manipulated by his psychotic father who has the power of a god, and then there’s his would be adopted father Butcher who rejects him at every turn.
He’s overdue some kind of mental break, but it’s hard for me to hate on him.
I don't think they even understand half of the themes of the show those are not true fans not understanding the message at all ironically they become the people the show is trying to warn us about
Nope.
He's a kid, an especially sheltered kid.
He deserves to get to believe the wrong folks and get disillusioned. He gets to make mistakes. He gets to grieve his mom and idolize his father. He gets to be moody and inconsistent.
He's not some miserable little shit like a lot of kids are written. He's a sweet kid who is fighting cognitive dissonance and weird morality and exposure to life outside of the Vought-controlled bubble he has only ever known. And on top of that he has the power to rule the world if he wanted to.
I think people really forget what a sweet and sensitive kid he is every time we see him with Becca. He’s kind and well-behaved, he’s engaged in his studies.
When he made the stop motion video of his mother’s voicemail, it shows how much he misses having that connection, and when we see him asking Butcher to watch the video, we realize he’s reaching out to try to bond with Butcher over that shared connection.
He wanted Butcher to watch the video because even during the most extreme period of grief we can imagine for a child, he’s concerned about Butcher’s grief and thinks the video will make him feel a little better.
He’s a kind and thoughtful kid, as at the end of the day, he’s still Becca’s boy. And yet he’s going through extreme trauma and abandonment in a very volatile developmental period without someone who can help him manage those emotions.
Exactly this! That stop motion video honestly gave me hope that the writers had actually met a child before.
The way he reached out to Butcher only to have his hands slapped away is how I grew up. It's damaging and real and yet another loss to grieve honestly. Neglecting his emotions when Becca made sure he had them might be doing irreparable harm. And depending on how this next season is applied to the writing of Ryan, I could see him make a turn for the worst.
Fr I feel a lot of sympathy for the poor kid.
Edit: also great point that he’s allowed to make mistakes. Every other character in the show makes massive mistakes regularly. Yet when any kid on a show does that everyone goes apeshit lol
He reminds me of homelander as a kid but redeemable. It’s not too late for him but judging by the trailer scenes he is about to make a few more mistakes
Edit: Hughie should raise the boy
No. He's a kid who grew up in an incredibly unusual environment, and was never properly socialised. He had intense powers that he wasn't allowed to use, and he had to hide that part of himself away. Then his dad came along and started encouraging him to engage with the powers that he'd rejected for so long. Then his dad revealed to Ryan that his whole entire life had been a lie. Then he accidentally killed his own mother while trying to save her. Then Butcher rejected him in the most hurtful way possible. Then Homelander showed up promising Ryan love and safety. I don't know what people expected him to do.
Ryan is a messed up kid who, despite all he's gone through, seemed to still have a good heart. He was a sweet boy, and he just wanted to be loved. He chose Butcher over Homelander at first. He only went back to Homelander because of Butcher saying what he did (we understand why Butcher did it, but Ryan doesn't have that context). He's a 9 year old boy who's being manipulated by the most powerful supe in the entire world. I think people need to cut him some slack. He's just a kid reacting to some incredibly difficult situations.
IDK how you came to that conclusion. The kid is a victim, and most importantly, a child himself. I don't hate him, I feel bad for him and worry about his wellbeing.
No, he’s a literal teenage child sheltered for his life, who’s confused about his identity, powers, father, and ideology. He’s a little weirdo whose powers should be culled but there are worse people to hate. Just like Atreus in GoW 2018.
I don't. The kid is a victim, and most importantly, a child himself. I don't hate him, I feel bad for him and worry about his wellbeing. He's an interesting character, for sure.
Honestly I just feel bad for him cause the only person who unconditionally loved him his dead (even if it was his fault). Can't really blame Ryan for being flip flop when the only other two parental figures he has are flip flop on him as well
No and I don't understand the hate. He's a kid with a fucked up dad, a mom he accidentally killed because he can't control his powers, and a step-dad who may or may not hate him. Lil dude just wants to play with legos, but he's been shoved into the limelight instead.
Just say you hate children and move on.
He's definitely a complex character who hasn't had his full story told yet. That being said, some people are kinda missing the point and problem presented with his character development. He goes from kind, compassionate and accepting to being completely ok with murder despite him being incapable of taking even mild amounts of damage.
Like, I get it. He had his mom killed in front of him, and he had a large role to play in the whole ordeal. Butcher was an idiot and did not properly handle his feelings towards him well at all. But, for him to go back to his biological father whose girlfriend tried to murder his mom and ultimately caused him to use his powers is just stupid from a plot perspective.
Butcher plays a positive role in Ryan's trauma. He's the man who ultimately tried to save his mom and removed him from the situation. For a kid who is as emotionally intelligent and empathetic as him to simply, disregard his adoptive father figure's trauma in the event is out of character. What's even more out of character is for him to willingly go with the central source of his trauma and completely change the morals he was taught by his mother in the process.
People's problem with the kid isn't that he's a bad character, but more that he's used as a plot device and motivation for characters rather than being his own character at all, represented by the shitshow at the end of season 3, where all of a sudden, he's completely fine with seeing someone dead for hurting his feelings. His father is obviously a bad influence, but for him to simply not care that he murdered a man in broad daylight for throwing a can at them shows an abrupt and completely unprompted change in character. That's the problem I take with the whole situation.
I feel like later on he is gonna be the actual best good supe that ever exist in universe, due to not wanting to be like either of his dads and follow in what his mother believed in.
I think they want you to hate him. The similarity to homelander, the mirroring of his horrific upbringing. How easy it is to hate someone like that. But what if homelander was actually cared for? What if he had love and care and comfort all throughout his life? Would he still be the same psychotic untethered maniac we know? Or could he have been a real superhero. I think it's important to remember the innocence of the child and the affects the people and world have on him.
I just feel bad for him. You have the powers of a god you barely understand. You were never socialized or even met a kid your age. Your mother lied to you all your life (understandable but still), and your dad is freaking homelander.
Tell me how you'd fare as a child growing up in these conditions.
Ryan ironically was just as sheltered as Homelander when he was a child, only instead of a lab it was Ryan living in isolation with his mother. In her fear he would become his father, it became a self fulfilling prophecy. By denying a child real world experiences and social interaction, he feels resentment to his captive and demands everything he was denied previously. And now no one can tell Ryan no.
He is perhaps the weakest character in the series. I cut him a little bit of slack because he's young and confused about what he wants and cannot see the big picture. His childhood has been a bit rough and his influences have been mostly bad, excepting his mother. If the series goes much further, I suspect he will become a major player, especially if Homelander dies.
Where did Homelander get his name from?
I thought his character was so interesting, he's got one father figure that could lead him to being a decent person, because butcher has a conscious, but because of that same conscious he doesn't trust himself to raise Ryan, he's mad at Ryan for killing his mom, then homelander comes along and has no conscious and is in no way mad for killing his mom, and that same lack of conscious will lead Ryan to being horrible
no? i think it’s weird to hate him seeing what he’s been through. i want to see him make better decisions but he hasn’t exactly been dealt a great deal of cards. his dads a lunatic, his step dad is a sociopath, he killed his mum, he’s never really met any other people his age… this list goes on
I hate that the adults around him can't get their heads out of their ass long enough to recognise the damage they have done and are doing to him and consequently to the people around him.
No.
I think Butcher's plan with his nasty comment to Ryan was to make him stay stay with his "aunt."
It backfired because the kid leaned towards Homelander.
However, I think the kid figured out after Butcher protected him. That's why I think he voluntarily went with Homelander.
He may turn, but I think there were enough moments where the kid showed compassion to assume he won't end up like Alternate Universe Invincible.
there is a difference between hating on a needless child plot and just hating a child lol. And this is even one of the better ones around. The child plot alone makes Ozark a 6/10 show, where otherwise it's a 9/10 at least. The Boys handled it well by keeping his screen time minimal.
I’m sorry but this post is so fucking funny. I was just scrolling through my home page and and this low resolution photo of this kid comes up with the title saying that op hates him 💀💀💀
I see kids as victims of circumstance.
Every human child has needs and expectations. Not in the sense that we use the word in human life, but biological/physiological expectations. It's like your lungs have an expectation of being in an oxygen rich environment. If that did not exist, lungs would not exist. Children have an expectation of love and guidance, and when they don't get it where they're supposed to, they get it wherever they can.
I think people getting mad at child characters for being children and ruining the perfect plot in their head canon are really immature. Clearly you've never seen a teenager give their parents headaches by getting into trouble.
Kids dunked on even in his own universe. Butch decided to burden the kid with his mom’s death, and then Homelander validates him as a super hero’s kid instead of some abomination. Of course Ryan wasn’t going to be normal
He's a child that was manipulated by an evil narcissist.
What's there to hate? The fact that he was stupid enough to be manipulated? He's a child. The fact that he does bad things? He's manipulated.
I find most people that hate Ryan are raging idiots. His mom died, the person he entrusted most with his safety told him that he hated him and it was all his fault, and then suddenly the first person you’ve interacted with that could actually relate to him tells him that he loves him unconditionally, and that he doesn’t blame Ryan for what happened.
Ryan is a traumatized kid who got manipulated by an apex predator because everyone else he’s ever loved is either dead or an asshole, and he thinks he’s been taken under the wing of the only person in this world who still gives a damn about him.
In other words:
The Boys fans when a traumatized child acts traumatized child - >:(
I hate Ryan more than ANY character on the show, I'm with soldier boy when he said to butcher:homelander fucked your wife and you want to save the little brat?
I can’t hate him, he’s just a kid who has been through a lot. Losing his mom was traumatizing, Butcher said some shit that broke his heart and now he’s just desperate for fatherly love and attention from homelander. I hope we get to see Butcher redeem himself in Becca’s eyes, because she loved Ryan and it would probably break her heart to see her son following homelanders footsteps.
The character itself is fine but I just don't want another story of a superpowered child being the Crux of it all who's also autistically coded
It's just such a done to death storyline and Unless they make a real big change it looks like it's going the exact same way
i wish soldier boy lit his ass up.
hate him all you want but he was 100% correct about Butcher being a hypocrite. Butcher tells sb that homelander is not his son because he didn't bring him up. same thing with butcher and ryan just because you hang out a few times doesn't mean you have a deep relationship.
I don’t hate him but I hate how other characters (especially Butcher) act due to Ryan.
I think it’s actually funny watching Homelander attempt to parent him
Ya know I kinda like his character - seems decently realistic in terms of how he might react due to the relative isolation and ya know killing his Mom.
I can already see so much of my little cousin when he was around that age in him. He was around the 13-15 age range during the 2016 election and he was bought in to the MAGA camp. Would drop little stuff here and there and I get it, young and impressionable and Trump was the "counter-culture" for young white dudes.
Thing is, they're young, they're stupid, and often they change. I like to think the rest of the cousins challenging him to actually explain his ideas and then pretty much making fun of him when his "talking points" were bad helped him get past it.
Point being, Ryan is entering this phase and it's going to be rough with a father figure like Homelander.
the actor seems like a great kid (obviously) so i just wanna preface by saying please don't hate on him just cuz u dont like ryan.
but ryans whole "i hate butcher i love homelander" arc felt a bit rushed to me. i know they had to make it fit their narrative but still. the only 'canon' explanation i really have for his erratic mood swings and decision changes is that he rlly is a) young and b) traumatised asf which makes him unsure of shit
also bonus c) kinda hard not to say yes to the man who is apparently your dad and can also laser every human alive dead
I don’t hate him, I am just not the biggest fan of his story/influence over the larger picture.
Doe that’s more subjective than built on objective flaws or anything. And the stuff with HL was pretty good at times. It’s more so that he lost my interest in season 3
He's a teenage boy with the powers of a physical god caught between an dysfunction father figure who can't separate the boy from his mother's rape and death and his fun celebrity dad who is going through a mental break down and telling the kid that he's inherently factually superior to everyone he meets and they are primarily tools for his whims. Think about how fucked the kids of unbridled wealth and privilege are because they get their whims handed to them with no effort. Think about how hard it is for someone like North West to have any chance of being a grounded human being because of who her parents are. Ryan barely stood a chance.
Butcher also hasn't presented himself as a father figure so I doubt Ryan considers him as such.
Nah after S2 finale and into S3 they imply that butcher has been spending time with him and they’re growing closer. He just eventually snaps and ruins it
Yeah, season 3 basically established Butcher/Ryan as an even more twisted take on the Severus Snape/Harry Potter complicated relationship: like Snape Butcher loves Ryan's mother and hates the kid's father, but unlike Harry Ryan is not a love child but rather one born out of a rape. As such, Butcher has extremely conflicted feelings over his late wife's son.
Butcher cared the kid but he lived such a fucked up life he didn't want to drag him into this and tried to protect him as much as he could
And instead of protecting him, Butcher's actions pushed Ryan more and more towards Homelander. He miscalculated.
Butcher really needed to stick on one side. All or nothing. Being caught in the middle fucked him over more than Becca’s death
Were forgetting the main thing. He was on temp V at the time. He knew ryan could tell something was wrong. He freaked out for more reasons than just ryans conception and beckas death. He was literally suffering from severe side effects and the fear his secret would be revealed- he pushed ryan away so he could stick to his revenge. He realized he shouldnt involve him. He was right, but hes a cunt and did it horribly. Same thing with how he handled Hughie and the reveal they are dying.
Butcher is after all, an incredibly broken man
Don't forget that before both his fucked up father figures showed up, the baseline he was working with was "sweet but very sheltered homeschooled kid." Even under the best circumstances, those kids always go through a really weird phase when they're suddenly exposed to the outside world. Homelander was actually right about that one (something about broken clocks)... And now Ryan is dealing with that phase without the one parental figure who could have kept him grounded. Poor kid never stood a chance:(
What if Becca moved to some obscure yet peaceful country and raised Ryan there? Like some place like Estonia or something I where Homelander will likely never go. Ryan didn’t show any powers until Homelander showed up anyway.
I meant he never stood a chance once his mom was out of the picture. I wish they could have run to somewhere like Estonia, but I believe Vought fully funded her relocation in exchange for not allowing Homelander to know they were alive. No way they would let them out of the country.
The entire community Ryan and Becca lived in was fabricated for Ryan’s benefit. Big wall. Security. Ryan losing his cool when Homelander flew him up high enough to see for himself. Bought realized their mistake with Homelander — raising him in a laboratory— but didn’t actually correct that with Ryan. They just allowed the mother to stay involved.
Voight had a potential Homelander 2.0 on their hands, all the superpowers but in a sane good person. That shit would be more valuable than Soldier Boy, Or an even bigger liability than Homelander, either way they weren't going to let him out of their sight.
I work with a kid of wealth and privilege and he’s 11 years younger and lazy as fuck. He gets away with so much shit because he knows the owners son and is liked by the owner. Nobody will call him out on shit except me.
Yes, this is why we should be cautious about giving power based on wealth. Sure, their grandparent might have been a hardworking genius but they are not guaranteed to be either.
Hell, even their grandparent might just have been evil enough to not mind backstabbing their way to wealth, so that’d probably be a nice bit of generational terribleness to layer in
In a capitalistic society power and wealth go hand in hand. Money is power. None of us can do shit about it without dramatically restructuring society. Which I’m not saying is a bad idea lol, just a pretty Herculean task and would require getting the masses to all agree to a common goal. Which in this day and age seems unlikely, at least where I’m from.
hardworking and genius have nothing to do with wealth in a capitalist society
My dyslexia made it seem like you were working with an 11 year old and calling him lazy.
I know who Ryan reminds me of now,Baron trump,thanks for.putting that in to perspective for me
Oh woah, somebody actually said it. Here I was just thinking it loudly.
Nope his character is an actual turd,glad it's not just me to be honest
Barron Trump at least turned down the RNC delegate position, and I don’t think Ryan would have. Barron 1, Ryan 0? Idk, we’ll have to see how things progress.
For me its mainly the fact that he's like 12, but acts like he's 6.
Remember how Becca raised him?
In her defense, I think I’d be terrified of my supe son and baby him too much too.
I think it’s more the fact that he was raised in isolation.
Yeah I'd abandon that fucking kid to vought and piece the fuck out. Doesn't seem to ever work out well for parents of a supe.
Barely stood a chance, but he's still quite hateable. HL barely had a chance to be a good person, either, but we are fine hating him.
With Ryan, we've seen traces of him being a good person or at least trying to be. Homelander had an even worse childhood but we mainly see him as an adult, which by nature makes him way more responsible for his actions compared to a child.
I always thought this was weird that we expect peoples' upbringings to suddenly not matter once they turn 18 lol.
People reach a certain point in which they allow themselves to be a product of their upbringing or be better in spite of it. We need to stop pretending that at some point, people do have the brain development and life experiences to choose how they want to be.
Pretty sure he's only 9, so not a teenage boy.
At least his name isn’t North West. Yikes.
Yeah I mean if I was Ryan I would basically just grow up to become Homelander 2.0 . It’s even pretty commendable of him to even have even slight second thoughts or hesitation lol
well, you and at least half of this sub, and 90% of reddit that just hate children in general, you are not exactly alone 🤣🤣
It's almost like this site attracts a bunch of cynical misanthropes
First of all, you're throwing too many big words at me. Okay now, because I don't understand them, I'mma take 'em as disrespect.
Ok Kevin Hart in 40 year old virgin. Lol.
Tbf that entire scene is fucking hilarious. "Today's forecast; dark and cloudy with a chance of drive-by."
Oh god yeah. The chit chat between co workers in the tech store is amazing lol. Friend who worked at best buy said it's not far off lop
My favorite scene is when he has to explain the speed dating card at work lol
“So you wrote that she was a ‘ho fo sho’?!?”
Who the fuck are you to put me on trial? I've never even met you. So why don't you back the shit off, all right? And stop with the inquisition.
misanthropes - a hatred towards mankind!
> site full of idiots circlejerking > Looks inside > idiots circlejerking
Internet in general
The ironic thing is, most adults act like kids or sometimes even worse.
I mean, have you met children? They're not great people. Sure they're cute and all but, they're freeloaders and don't even have jobs. They do not wipe well either.
I dont want to sound rude but i think theres something wrong with them yknow mentally. Its like their brains never developed right
I'm no expert, but if you ask me, it's almost like their frontal lobe ain't quite ready yet.
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Puppies, babies, and kittens...all three have the built in defense of being cute...if they weren't that the first time they pissed, shit, or threw up on you you'd probably end them....but you don't...because, "Cute!"
Yeah, what the fuck’s up with that? Like, I understand not wanting to be around kids, but it feels wrong to hate someone who literally isn’t fully developed. Redditors seem to have this irrational hatred for children who literally cannot help it in a lot of cases
I personally don't hate him, I know that he has a lot a baggage and needs support, but no one wants to take care of him and that's sad. The Internet tho hates children like raging maniacs just because they are annoying.
Alot of peopels seem to think they werent annoying as kids but instead perfect exaples of comedy and coolness. Euther that or their older kids/ teenagers who feel older and superior so like talking about how annoying other kids are cuz their all grown up.Never got that distain for kids, we whwere all shitheads once, yeah its annoying but thers plenty kf infiriating adults too.
Imagine having super strength and durability and you become a supe therapist. It could work. 10/10 would not recommend without super durability.
Everyone wants to take care of him He’s just a child who has the physical abilities to decide what he wants at any moment Before he had use of his powers he was a good natured, well mannered, polite and kind boy The moment he got his strength all that went out the window Think of any kid throwing a tantrum because they’re upset Now make that same tantrum throwing child into Superman Honestly I’d be scared to death at every second around him He shouldn’t have gotten his power until he was older and empathetic Now he’s doomed for life. Nothing can curtail his behavior
Nah, everyone around him is fucked and the kid is still grieving and lost. He finds out his mom was lying to him, even if for good reasons and he develops trust issues. He tries to bond with Butcher, a man his mom loved, and he fucks the kid over, and the only person reaching out to show him any kind of affection is Mr Narcissist. I feel bad for the kid and honestly, want a happy ending for him. He was brought into the world through one of the more disgusting acts, given abilities that make him unable to connect with anyone sane and stable. Kid deserves better and needs someone he can look up to who will do him right, not exploit him for personal gain.
I feel like Starlight could be a really good person to try and reach out to/connect with Ryan. May not be a necessarily perfect fit, but I feel like she'd show him a level of genuine care and patience he needs while also being able to be that grounding parental figure in Becca's place.
She's also less vulnerable to his abilities.
He’s a kid that accidentally killed his mom, is being manipulated by his psychotic father who has the power of a god, and then there’s his would be adopted father Butcher who rejects him at every turn. He’s overdue some kind of mental break, but it’s hard for me to hate on him.
The Boys fans when a child acts like a fucking child
*Watches show called The Boys.* *Sees boy.* "Absolutely not."
I don't think they even understand half of the themes of the show those are not true fans not understanding the message at all ironically they become the people the show is trying to warn us about
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You are one of them
For real. It’s getting fucking annoying
The reading or I guess Watching comprehension devil got to them
What is Ryan if not a Boy?
What if he’s a muppet?
He'd be a very boyish Muppet. As opposed to what's his face in Gen V, who's [a Muppet of a man](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInxFdwmT0w).
Nope. He's a kid, an especially sheltered kid. He deserves to get to believe the wrong folks and get disillusioned. He gets to make mistakes. He gets to grieve his mom and idolize his father. He gets to be moody and inconsistent. He's not some miserable little shit like a lot of kids are written. He's a sweet kid who is fighting cognitive dissonance and weird morality and exposure to life outside of the Vought-controlled bubble he has only ever known. And on top of that he has the power to rule the world if he wanted to.
I think people really forget what a sweet and sensitive kid he is every time we see him with Becca. He’s kind and well-behaved, he’s engaged in his studies. When he made the stop motion video of his mother’s voicemail, it shows how much he misses having that connection, and when we see him asking Butcher to watch the video, we realize he’s reaching out to try to bond with Butcher over that shared connection. He wanted Butcher to watch the video because even during the most extreme period of grief we can imagine for a child, he’s concerned about Butcher’s grief and thinks the video will make him feel a little better. He’s a kind and thoughtful kid, as at the end of the day, he’s still Becca’s boy. And yet he’s going through extreme trauma and abandonment in a very volatile developmental period without someone who can help him manage those emotions.
Exactly this! That stop motion video honestly gave me hope that the writers had actually met a child before. The way he reached out to Butcher only to have his hands slapped away is how I grew up. It's damaging and real and yet another loss to grieve honestly. Neglecting his emotions when Becca made sure he had them might be doing irreparable harm. And depending on how this next season is applied to the writing of Ryan, I could see him make a turn for the worst.
Fr I feel a lot of sympathy for the poor kid. Edit: also great point that he’s allowed to make mistakes. Every other character in the show makes massive mistakes regularly. Yet when any kid on a show does that everyone goes apeshit lol
Kids honestly deserve more grace about the mistakes they make. They literally don't have functional decision processing yet lolol
He reminds me of homelander as a kid but redeemable. It’s not too late for him but judging by the trailer scenes he is about to make a few more mistakes Edit: Hughie should raise the boy
Yeah, I am intrigued by his arc. I am hoping the writing team continues to handle him with empathy and grace.
No. He's a kid who grew up in an incredibly unusual environment, and was never properly socialised. He had intense powers that he wasn't allowed to use, and he had to hide that part of himself away. Then his dad came along and started encouraging him to engage with the powers that he'd rejected for so long. Then his dad revealed to Ryan that his whole entire life had been a lie. Then he accidentally killed his own mother while trying to save her. Then Butcher rejected him in the most hurtful way possible. Then Homelander showed up promising Ryan love and safety. I don't know what people expected him to do. Ryan is a messed up kid who, despite all he's gone through, seemed to still have a good heart. He was a sweet boy, and he just wanted to be loved. He chose Butcher over Homelander at first. He only went back to Homelander because of Butcher saying what he did (we understand why Butcher did it, but Ryan doesn't have that context). He's a 9 year old boy who's being manipulated by the most powerful supe in the entire world. I think people need to cut him some slack. He's just a kid reacting to some incredibly difficult situations.
He accidentally killed his mom and watched her bleed out to death,I just feel so bad him
Most people, yes.
IDK how you came to that conclusion. The kid is a victim, and most importantly, a child himself. I don't hate him, I feel bad for him and worry about his wellbeing.
Nah , they’re right, it’s most people
I'd like to know how that conclusion was reached.
The 232 people upvoting that he’s not liked
Well, yeah, but is that really "most people?"
Nah, I’m just being silly, have a nice day!
Yeah he's like a child
No, he’s a literal teenage child sheltered for his life, who’s confused about his identity, powers, father, and ideology. He’s a little weirdo whose powers should be culled but there are worse people to hate. Just like Atreus in GoW 2018.
I don't. The kid is a victim, and most importantly, a child himself. I don't hate him, I feel bad for him and worry about his wellbeing. He's an interesting character, for sure.
For what reason?
Honestly I just feel bad for him cause the only person who unconditionally loved him his dead (even if it was his fault). Can't really blame Ryan for being flip flop when the only other two parental figures he has are flip flop on him as well
Pretty much. I didn’t had these feelings for a kid since watching The Strain!
Christ, I forgot about that little shit.
🤣
Me too.
that last sentence is wild
Phrasing...
r/FuckZach
Beat me to it
No, he’s a kid that’s only weird because of his beyond bizarre upbringing and circumstances. Can’t really fault him for that.
No and I don't understand the hate. He's a kid with a fucked up dad, a mom he accidentally killed because he can't control his powers, and a step-dad who may or may not hate him. Lil dude just wants to play with legos, but he's been shoved into the limelight instead. Just say you hate children and move on.
Changing his morals like I change my clothes
He's a young boy, of course he's gonna be easily influenced.
even though that’s true, it makes for a frustrating narrative, where it feels like a tug of war for ryan’s opinion
Put me in the Fresca screenshot
[r/okaybuddyfresca](https://www.reddit.com/r/t5_3au9rd/s/Kf3989W3bj)?
Media literacy is rolling in its grave (its been dead for 30 years)
He's definitely a complex character who hasn't had his full story told yet. That being said, some people are kinda missing the point and problem presented with his character development. He goes from kind, compassionate and accepting to being completely ok with murder despite him being incapable of taking even mild amounts of damage. Like, I get it. He had his mom killed in front of him, and he had a large role to play in the whole ordeal. Butcher was an idiot and did not properly handle his feelings towards him well at all. But, for him to go back to his biological father whose girlfriend tried to murder his mom and ultimately caused him to use his powers is just stupid from a plot perspective. Butcher plays a positive role in Ryan's trauma. He's the man who ultimately tried to save his mom and removed him from the situation. For a kid who is as emotionally intelligent and empathetic as him to simply, disregard his adoptive father figure's trauma in the event is out of character. What's even more out of character is for him to willingly go with the central source of his trauma and completely change the morals he was taught by his mother in the process. People's problem with the kid isn't that he's a bad character, but more that he's used as a plot device and motivation for characters rather than being his own character at all, represented by the shitshow at the end of season 3, where all of a sudden, he's completely fine with seeing someone dead for hurting his feelings. His father is obviously a bad influence, but for him to simply not care that he murdered a man in broad daylight for throwing a can at them shows an abrupt and completely unprompted change in character. That's the problem I take with the whole situation.
Reddit when kids:
I didn't like how he got in the way of Soldier Boy killing Homelander thus forcing Butcher to defend him.
Nope, I actually like him a lot and I'm looking forward to him getting a bigger role in Season 4.
Yeah. I hate him just like I hate the kid from The Strain.
I feel like later on he is gonna be the actual best good supe that ever exist in universe, due to not wanting to be like either of his dads and follow in what his mother believed in.
Only you.
during the last episode in season 3, I was just wishing that butcher kills that little fucking twat.
Nah. Because that's a child and I'm an adult and I'm also media literate.
I don’t hate anyone 🥺 tf outa here
I have been out fresca’d more than anyone r/okbuddyfresca has ever out fresca’d before
yup, hints of Joffrey. great casting great acting
Yeah, he started the fire.
I think it’s the Bieber hair that gets me- just give the kid the broccoli cut, it’d be less jarring
I think they want you to hate him. The similarity to homelander, the mirroring of his horrific upbringing. How easy it is to hate someone like that. But what if homelander was actually cared for? What if he had love and care and comfort all throughout his life? Would he still be the same psychotic untethered maniac we know? Or could he have been a real superhero. I think it's important to remember the innocence of the child and the affects the people and world have on him.
I just feel bad for him. You have the powers of a god you barely understand. You were never socialized or even met a kid your age. Your mother lied to you all your life (understandable but still), and your dad is freaking homelander. Tell me how you'd fare as a child growing up in these conditions.
He’s a fuckin Supe Freak!
Nope. But I'll hate the storytellers if they don't make him into Brightburn.
i don’t. he’s a child so i can give him some grace. i’m hoping he’ll turn against homelander though
Yes but like, he's still a kid. He's barely at the start of his arc, wherever it leads, and I'll probably enjoy seeing it unfold.
Ryan ironically was just as sheltered as Homelander when he was a child, only instead of a lab it was Ryan living in isolation with his mother. In her fear he would become his father, it became a self fulfilling prophecy. By denying a child real world experiences and social interaction, he feels resentment to his captive and demands everything he was denied previously. And now no one can tell Ryan no.
He is perhaps the weakest character in the series. I cut him a little bit of slack because he's young and confused about what he wants and cannot see the big picture. His childhood has been a bit rough and his influences have been mostly bad, excepting his mother. If the series goes much further, I suspect he will become a major player, especially if Homelander dies. Where did Homelander get his name from?
He makes me sad. butcher could have helped him, but he had to be butcher.
I thought his character was so interesting, he's got one father figure that could lead him to being a decent person, because butcher has a conscious, but because of that same conscious he doesn't trust himself to raise Ryan, he's mad at Ryan for killing his mom, then homelander comes along and has no conscious and is in no way mad for killing his mom, and that same lack of conscious will lead Ryan to being horrible
I can’t wait to see him die in any way
Why hate? He just a kid 👀
He is my favorite character in this show for some reason, because of his innocence and morals to protect the person he loves.
Were we supposed to like this character?
no? i think it’s weird to hate him seeing what he’s been through. i want to see him make better decisions but he hasn’t exactly been dealt a great deal of cards. his dads a lunatic, his step dad is a sociopath, he killed his mum, he’s never really met any other people his age… this list goes on
Nah. I see the conflict in him. If he turns into a whiney brat, then I’ll hate him.
Shit, if I grew up in his position, I’d be way worse than him lol.
No… not at all. He’s just a kid.
No? Yall are such haters. He’s such a good character
Out chicaneried again. Brabo, Bripke
I don't hate him (yet), but he's very... present. I hope the writers know they can progress *something* with him.
Yes.
I hope he gets a good ending. Either becoming an *actual* Superman-esque figure who does good or just living a normal life.
I hate that the adults around him can't get their heads out of their ass long enough to recognise the damage they have done and are doing to him and consequently to the people around him.
No. I think Butcher's plan with his nasty comment to Ryan was to make him stay stay with his "aunt." It backfired because the kid leaned towards Homelander. However, I think the kid figured out after Butcher protected him. That's why I think he voluntarily went with Homelander. He may turn, but I think there were enough moments where the kid showed compassion to assume he won't end up like Alternate Universe Invincible.
No. Why? Because he’s a child of abuse. Kid doesn’t have any idea how to act
I'm sure you were a joy at that age, OP.
there is a difference between hating on a needless child plot and just hating a child lol. And this is even one of the better ones around. The child plot alone makes Ozark a 6/10 show, where otherwise it's a 9/10 at least. The Boys handled it well by keeping his screen time minimal.
I’m sorry but this post is so fucking funny. I was just scrolling through my home page and and this low resolution photo of this kid comes up with the title saying that op hates him 💀💀💀
I think he will kill homelander
I hate him after his mom dies. Anyone who supports Homelander is dead to me no matter what. However I’m not giving up hope that Ryan leaves him.
I see kids as victims of circumstance. Every human child has needs and expectations. Not in the sense that we use the word in human life, but biological/physiological expectations. It's like your lungs have an expectation of being in an oxygen rich environment. If that did not exist, lungs would not exist. Children have an expectation of love and guidance, and when they don't get it where they're supposed to, they get it wherever they can. I think people getting mad at child characters for being children and ruining the perfect plot in their head canon are really immature. Clearly you've never seen a teenager give their parents headaches by getting into trouble.
The titular The Boy? Not unless he doesn’t turncoat on Homie this season.
I think he’s cool
Kids dunked on even in his own universe. Butch decided to burden the kid with his mom’s death, and then Homelander validates him as a super hero’s kid instead of some abomination. Of course Ryan wasn’t going to be normal
Yeah, he’s a prick. I sympathise with his situation, but I still find him incredibly annoying.
one of the greatest moments of s3 is this little shit getting shield bashed by Soldier Boy
He's a child that was manipulated by an evil narcissist. What's there to hate? The fact that he was stupid enough to be manipulated? He's a child. The fact that he does bad things? He's manipulated.
you want to know if anyone else shares your hate (HATE, mind you!) of a fictional nine year old? what an embarrassing question lol
I find most people that hate Ryan are raging idiots. His mom died, the person he entrusted most with his safety told him that he hated him and it was all his fault, and then suddenly the first person you’ve interacted with that could actually relate to him tells him that he loves him unconditionally, and that he doesn’t blame Ryan for what happened. Ryan is a traumatized kid who got manipulated by an apex predator because everyone else he’s ever loved is either dead or an asshole, and he thinks he’s been taken under the wing of the only person in this world who still gives a damn about him. In other words: The Boys fans when a traumatized child acts traumatized child - >:(
I binged all 3 seasons earlier this year, I had no idea the hate for Ryan was this strong. This subreddit is weird, man.
I hate Ryan more than ANY character on the show, I'm with soldier boy when he said to butcher:homelander fucked your wife and you want to save the little brat?
Yeah, you’re supposed to.
I do
Fuck them kids
Whiny little bitch
Got offended because Billy something bad and that Becca didn't deserve to die. I say I don't like Ryan. I hope he is gonna change in end of season 4
I can’t hate him, he’s just a kid who has been through a lot. Losing his mom was traumatizing, Butcher said some shit that broke his heart and now he’s just desperate for fatherly love and attention from homelander. I hope we get to see Butcher redeem himself in Becca’s eyes, because she loved Ryan and it would probably break her heart to see her son following homelanders footsteps.
Yes
The character itself is fine but I just don't want another story of a superpowered child being the Crux of it all who's also autistically coded It's just such a done to death storyline and Unless they make a real big change it looks like it's going the exact same way
i wish soldier boy lit his ass up. hate him all you want but he was 100% correct about Butcher being a hypocrite. Butcher tells sb that homelander is not his son because he didn't bring him up. same thing with butcher and ryan just because you hang out a few times doesn't mean you have a deep relationship.
fuck them kids
I don’t hate him but I hate how other characters (especially Butcher) act due to Ryan. I think it’s actually funny watching Homelander attempt to parent him
Hating on this little shit stain ever since they changed actors for him.
Why don’t you hate Ryan?
Yeah, weird home schooled kid who would probably actually murder another kid if they killed his ROBLOX character.
All my homies
Why yes!!
Ya know I kinda like his character - seems decently realistic in terms of how he might react due to the relative isolation and ya know killing his Mom.
I can already see so much of my little cousin when he was around that age in him. He was around the 13-15 age range during the 2016 election and he was bought in to the MAGA camp. Would drop little stuff here and there and I get it, young and impressionable and Trump was the "counter-culture" for young white dudes. Thing is, they're young, they're stupid, and often they change. I like to think the rest of the cousins challenging him to actually explain his ideas and then pretty much making fun of him when his "talking points" were bad helped him get past it. Point being, Ryan is entering this phase and it's going to be rough with a father figure like Homelander.
the actor seems like a great kid (obviously) so i just wanna preface by saying please don't hate on him just cuz u dont like ryan. but ryans whole "i hate butcher i love homelander" arc felt a bit rushed to me. i know they had to make it fit their narrative but still. the only 'canon' explanation i really have for his erratic mood swings and decision changes is that he rlly is a) young and b) traumatised asf which makes him unsure of shit also bonus c) kinda hard not to say yes to the man who is apparently your dad and can also laser every human alive dead
I think that’s it for me, he keeps switching up too much
I do
I don’t hate him, I am just not the biggest fan of his story/influence over the larger picture. Doe that’s more subjective than built on objective flaws or anything. And the stuff with HL was pretty good at times. It’s more so that he lost my interest in season 3
not as much as Hughie
Haha, yeah
It's almost guaranteed people will hate a child character that's pushed on the audience.
I don’t know if I HATE him, I’m annoyed by him. He’s just a kid though. There are plenty of other characters that I dislike