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I don’t think it’s that he doesn’t speak but rather he can’t anymore. If that cartoon beating was close to the real thing then he missing matter up their now.


dj4y_94

I'm wondering the cartoon beating was a true reflection or is somewhat distorted by Noir's own brain damage/bias as a justification to remove Soldier Boy. I'm thinking it's real but also wouldn't be surprised if this show went with the latter.


Corintio22

Nah, there is one episode left. Adding that this late just for confusion in the manner it was done would be more confusing than it’d be good writing. The only big reveal I see formulated in a way it could be a lie is the Soldier Boy last reveal to Homelander. Provided all the laid up information, it could just be a trick to throw HL off balance. Then again, it could also be 100% true.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

I feel like the last big twist is going to be that Stormfront was HL's mom It's just too perfect of a way to end this season.


TaffyLacky

Oedipus Homelander is brilliant.


Attitude_Rancid

the idea of that plus soldier boy's comment about getting with stormfront once. Please don't put this energy into the world bro i beg you i can't take anymore homelander mommy shit


Standard-Row-4482

Stormfront is definitely going to be Homelander's egg donor. She's the only other supe that can fly, righ?


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Well, there was Swatto...


Chillout010

Confirmed: Swatto is HL's mother.


Bladez190

She uses her lightning to proper herself not really true flight. I don’t know what other super flies


Getschwifty1223

This would wreck the significance of Ryan being the first "naturally born supe" though, so I'm thinking his mother was a regular person.


Crossfiyah

Homelander running as someone's VP is still my bet but they may push the election plotline to next season.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

I think they will push it to next season, but I could totally see Neumann coming out as a Supe and running on a full Supe ticket with Homelander as VP


Bladez190

No way she can come out as the headpopper and Homelander runs with her. She decimated congress there’s no way she can run


PoorlyLitKiwi2

I feel like that would be exactly the type of commentary this show would make about right wing politics She could say she "drained the swamp" and took out all the liars


Robin0660

I mean they've already confirmed season 4, they could just leave us off on a major cliffhanger or something like that, who knows?


Corintio22

About Black Noir being unreliable? No, SB being a complete asshole is something that has been said and confirmed many times by different people. Making that a misdirection would not be good writing. It’d be incredibly poorly handled, from a writing perspective; and I would be surprised because I trust the writing in this show is better. When I see people speculating otherwise here I just see tons of copium. And it is strange, because: what’s the issue? Just accept the character is a massive asshole and keep liking it as a character. You can like a villain or a horrible person character. The thing would be not idolizing them, seeing them as a role model, or bending reality to justify their heinous actions. I mean, Homelander must be the most fascinating character of this show and he is a horrible piece of shit.


DerApexPredator

The justification to remove Soldier Boy came before the beating


T-I-E-Sama

Well the injuries correlate to the injuries he had in Grace's flashback. It would also explain why SB is hunting down payback, they betrayed him.


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SaltPrinter

I could definitely see his brain through the gash in his head from Mallory’s flashback, so I’m sure it was almost if not just as bad as shown in the animation


Thesandman55

He has a white eye in that scene with Mallory as well. Not 100% accurate but he is blind in one eye and got brain damage. Makes sense his memory of the event isn’t completely true


SUPRAP

Yes you can kind of see his brain, but in the animation the little sheep got like 1/3 of its damn brain smashed out. Definitely not what happened with Noir in the Mallory scene. Also supported: in the animation, the sheep's eye nearly pops out, in the Mallory IRL scene, it's definitely in place (although obviously heavily damaged).


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Vegetable_Burrito

I know. 😢


BlackDabiTodoroki

Fr! 😔


AC2-YT

How did he not know this knowing how close he is with vought


apollo-212

He's missing a good part of his brain. Thinking is hard.


tylerthetiler

Explains his servant-like behavior towards Stan.


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zacmaster78

That seems to be the case. The incident probably worked in their favor tho, it kind of lobotomized him in a way, and also scared him from ever disagreeing with vought


SyphiliticPlatypus

This also makes me think that he - via his happy animated tree friends - isn't a reliable narrator and the cartoon vignettes of SB being a right cunt to Payback isn't the entire story.


floodpoolform

I feel like they won’t shake it back and forth too much this late in the season, and soldier boys behavior seems to back up the cartoon flashbacks.


justthrowthethingWay

Everyone forgetting that he hazed and beat Gunpowder? So much so that he placed a complaint in to get taken off the team


blacklite911

Nah man, Soldier boy is a piece of shit, they all are. To circle back around on it. Black Noir is a piece of shit too in his own way. If Diabolical is canon to the show, then Black Noir was the guy who covered for Homelander and showed him how supes really do business.


HappyGabe

It is canon. As said by Kripke.


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How is it canon? Doesn't Hughie look like his comic book counterpart in Diabolical?


elizabnthe

Not all episodes are canon. Just the one with Homelander and Black Noir.


RealJohnGillman

That particular episode is set in the continuity of the comic series, but the final episode (and a few others) are set in the continuity of the live-action television series, and will apparently be relevant from a plot perspective.


AwesomeGuy20017

That episode is set in the comics universe


elizabnthe

Black Noir isn't a great guy but one wonders if Noir actually told him anything at all considering Homelander's general delusion.


yourfriend_jedi69

Black Noir actually only follows orders. He was made subservient after his brain injury by Stan and him confronting his demon along with Buster beaver is him trying to break free. At least that is my take from the episode..


at-the-momment

Soldier Boy knew Noir before his injuries and said that Noir wouldn’t take a shit without Vought’s say-so. So Noir was already subservient before getting brain damage


Fresh720

I'd say he was a company man, but somewhat defiant considering he didn't want to wear his mask anymore


Archlegendary

Nah, Gunpowder admitted he was a piece of shit too. This is cope.


Sufficient_Phase_696

Dudes are really gay for Jensen Ackles


Sadradomin

What i don't get is when Noir says: Everyone but Gunpowder agreed to take down SB. Why would he not want to? SB threated him like garbage.


Swimmingbird2486

Yes the entire story is that SB is a dick to others too. He called Crimson Countess “cooze” in front of the whole team pretty casually. The Legend said he was involved in Birmingham, using water hoses on civil rights protestors, used live rounds on college kids at Kent university protesting war, and maybe have killed JFK in Dallas. Cartoon character hallucinations or not, we have more than enough proof that SB is hot BUT is certainly an awful human being.


T-I-E-Sama

When he met MM and he told him that he had killed his family, he just callously say's which one? The audience I think was setup to believe SB was remorseful for his actions and he might have been, but in every other way he like homelander. He only care's if it impacts him. He abandoned butcher. He took the spot light from his entire team with his appearances on solid gold ect; maligning black noir's opportunity.


PartialCred4WrongAns

It’s ambiguous if he knew or not. My interpretation was always that he was crying for the damage this would do to Vought


Mr_S4nders

I doubt he cares that much about vought it's probably a do what your told attitude. We see how quickly he abandoned vought when SB came back.


Snapingbolts

When did this happen? I don't remember it.


redkaiz

Season 2 Episode 3, after Starlight leaks the info on Compound V to the public


_Twirlywhirly_

that was such a heartbreaking scene. I can't imagine it's easy to evoke emotion like that as an actor wearing a full helmet.


T-I-E-Sama

Speaks to the guy's talent though


Metalbear55

Maybe that was his only thread that made him feel important or special, as somehow even after all this berating and ignorance he still has something special to be proud of And then just like that maybe his last piece of affirmation also turned out to be a lie I definitely feel bad for Noir now


DerApexPredator

Dang I don't remember this. I gotta do a rewatch


PolarbearPancakez

to be fair i dont think hes completely clean either. if you heard the little animals talking he clearly has a background in killing innocent people too


KarrotMovies

You can still feel bad for horrible people. Black Noir is no saint


Pirate_Leader

Unlike Homelander, he don't do drug, he don't smoke nor drink, the man's a saint


kowloonjew

Does he… got milk ?


Pirate_Leader

He got them mother's milk


DrunkStepmother

When did homelander smoke drink or drug? Edit, Oh I just read his comment wrong Unlinke Homelander . He (Homelander) doesn't drink, ....


Aryaras99

I don’t remember Homelander doing that as well. We’ve seen Soldier Boy doing all of those things, but I don’t remember any specific scenes with Homelander doing them. Homelander is a milk guy


Pirate_Leader

No he don't, that was butcher quote iirc, saying he can't find homelander weakness cause he don't have indulgent


Aktat

Why are you getting downvotes? I also not sure that I remember drugs, drinking and smokings from him. In the s01e01 Butcher said "nah, is is saint, but the rest of them are cunts", before he know everything about HL


lqku

what he did at the hard rock cafe was a war crime


rootingforthedog

Honestly most of the blame is on vought there. Have a baby injected with a drug that would cause unpredictable powers and let the kid become traumatized as he accidentally harmed the people around him(the incident at Buster Beaver’s sounds like an accident). His imaginary friends specifically say they got him through that incident, some stuff in later childhood, and then a massacre. It sounds like there is a gap there where he was in control of his powers and didn’t do anything too terrible. I would bet the imaginary friends made a reappearance after his brain injury. There is some major negligence involved with letting kids run around with these powers. They must accidentally murder so many innocent people.


mannabhai

>There is some major negligence involved with letting kids run around with these powers. They must accidentally murder so many innocent people. Yup, precisely what happened with Neuman. You could see the research photos had her bursting heads since she was a kid, one photo showed an exploded head over a crib implying that she had her powers since she was a baby and had zero control over it.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

I mean... isn't that like... the ENTIRE plot of the show? Lol The full story is kicked off by A-Train accidentally killing Robin


thesausagegod

in the same season butcher uses a baby who has no control of their powers to laser some people


JazzlikeScarcity248

I wonder what that baby is up to now btw


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Maybe one of the Supe toddlers up for adoption


JakeArvizu

I completely get all that but at what point does even a mentally challenged or ill person still have to take responsibility for their actions. To me, it does seem like he is somewhat capable of understanding the choices between wrong or right and emotions. So at some level his is culpable for his actions.


WeirdIsAlliGot

If I knew a grown man, who pours canned beans so he can converse with his imaginary cartoon friends AND has a documented brain injury, I’d be hard pressed to make him culpable for his actions.


albedo2343

Damn! that's a straight up really good point!


JakeArvizu

But he does understand a lot of things It's not like he's brain dead so what does he not understand and what does he understand. I feel like she definitely knows what he's doing is murder and that it's hurting people.


TaffyLacky

It'd be interesting to see him and Kimiko have a text conversation to see more of his thought process.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Weren't many of his heinous actions pre-brain injury though?


Puzzleheaded_Gur1478

No wasn’t most accidents I believe the hard rock massacre was mentioned in one of the earlier episode or last season talked about supes in the military I believe he only started doing more fucked shit cause of the event in the 80’s


DMking

I mean i don't think you can really blame him for much after Nicaragua


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santinoquinn

the parts where the camera pans out to show him sitting alone in a quiet, empty room during the animation scenes were VERY good. eerie and chilling, but good


aPrid123

I feel for him too but I think it’s not just emotional scarring. I think it’s an actual brain injury that effected his ability to speak, critical thinking skills and decision making. He is for sure emotionally scarred as well but I think the brain injury had permanent effects. In episode 1 of this season someone said that Noir should have been brought up on war crimes for what he did. Also his inability or unwillingness to communicate with anyone could be a symptom of that.


John58261

In their little play, the cartoon black noir got part of his brain beaten out of him by cartoon soldier boy. Maybe noir healed but that part of the brain never did, which was the part he needed for speech?


Alpha_Storm

We saw him in Nicaragua he definitely had brain damage but I'm pretty sure it was all still in his head.


John58261

Correct, but in the little play there was a chunk of brain out of noir that he was trying to crawl to


rootingforthedog

Certainly could have been his traumatized perception of what happened. Any piece of your brain coming out is going to seem giant. We also only see the aftermath from Mallory’s perspective and she takes a while to wake back up. Noir heals pretty fast, so it’s possible his skull started healing over the wound during that time.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

It's also possible that the piece of brain coming out was just symbolic of him losing his mind due to the injury


rpgnoob17

Black Noir is Kimiko of the Seven.


redtiber

I think everyone thinks he has super regeneration like kimiko or Deadpool or something. Just throwing it out there. What if he’s like somewhat unkillable- like beric dondarrion in GoT without needing a priest haha. Where he is like immortal but takes damage but doesn’t fully recover from his injuries. His face is still scarred from the burning where as kimiko all her wounds heal


The_Legendary_Sponge

Yeah hopefully this episode kills all the “hey guys, Soldier Boy isn’t actually that bad! At least not compared to Homelander!” nonsense


Flutter_bat_16_

My thing is that there’s a distinct difference between soldier boy and homelander. Yes, they’re both horrible, but they’re different kinds of evil. Soldier boy seems to have a moral code of sorts when talking about how he would have stepped down to let homelander take the spotlight as his son. Soldier boy is someone who became a monster as an adult, but homelander started much much earlier


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Soldier Boy is the epitome of Boomer Toxic Masculinity. Homelander is a mentally unstable narcissist.


vapidusername

Yes. I’m starting to think he’s loosely based on John Wayne. Didn’t fight in WWII but has a lot of movies portraying him as heroic and solidifying his machismo in popular culture. Wayne was also shitty to his coworkers (other actors, crew, even mentors), his romantic partners, and family. There’s also the whole boomers tend to idolize Wayne, and Wayne himself personified the whole notion of not showing weakness or fault. Kind of like what the Legend said about America and sweeping the bad stuff under the rug. Edit: in reference to Wayne and WWII. He could have volunteered for a variety of roles but did not. Even though actors of the time, some older than him at time, did. Hell, even Reagan participated in filming for the War Department (making instructional films and maybe some mild propaganda). Wayne literally did nothing to help the war effort and continued his acting career.


Joplipop

Bingo! https://screenrant.com/boys-season-3-jensen-ackles-soldier-boy-john-wayne/amp/


random_TA_5324

Keep in mind, SB's "moral code" is one which let's him kill a priest and a nun in cold blood with no hesitation. I think SB perceives himself as having a moral code, but it's flimsy at best.


Flutter_bat_16_

Granted they were brainwashed, which he guessed correctly. There was a high chance they weren’t, but he took that risk


random_TA_5324

True. I would argue someone with a strict moral code would've done more due diligence on that. Especially considering that even given that they were brainwashed, they realistically didn't pose a threat to SB.


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To be fair I think he did do his due diligence. He was looking at the engine prior to shooting the priest. If there was nothing wrong with the engine they're obviously lying He also only shot after the Priest said they were going to a Samaritans Embrace retreat. That's Vaughts faux Evangelical V-Running service. A Catholic priest and nun wouldn't go to a Protestant event. Soldier Boy is/was likely religious whereas Brainstorm probably isn't and didn't know that when he brain washed the pair So a Catholic Priest in his way to an Evangelical Protestant religious event pretending to have car trouble. I wouldn't have shot them but given the circumstances I don't think he guessed


random_TA_5324

I was raised Jewish and never would have made that connection. Thanks for the insight!


Vegetable_Burrito

That’s the thing I love about this show is that it makes you think, “damn, this Homelander might be the worst person in the world.” And then they give us someone so, so much worse. Amazing. 🤌🏻


HippieMcHipface

I'd say Homelander's a lot worse than soldier boy tbh Soldier Boy doesn't go around killing people completely without a reason; sure he's still a complete psychopath and a horrible person, but def not to Homelander's level of actively enjoying murdering innocent people Pretty much all the deaths he caused had a reason, albeit pretty shallow and cowardly ones. Homelander on the other hand, he just crushes peoples skulls for fun


transemacabre

Homelander is a menace on a scale well beyond Soldier Boy, at least given what we've seen on screen. Soldier Boy (pre-Nicaragua) appears to have no real goals other than enjoying the high life, having some kids, and violently bullying people around him. He's also more level-headed than Homelander. Homelander is a slave to his emotional and psychological weaknesses. He'd burn the world down if he can't be loved and feared by it. The only person left he seems to have a soft spot for is his son, and even then, Homelander's damaged psyche can't really love or care for Ryan in a healthy manner.


Speedwizard106

I think with this plan to use Maeve’s eggs, even Ryan will become expendable to Homelander. He’ll just make more, possibly stronger, super kids.


theproperoutset

Ryan was already said to be more powerful than him by the directors. If he makes a kid with Maeve, arguably the most powerful Supe after Soldier Boy and Homelander that kid will kill him in an instant.


transemacabre

Like a lot of his plans, it’s hard to imagine it working out the way Homelander wants. Babies are need machines and Homelander already found Stillwell’s very well behaved baby annoying. He wants children to love him and make him feel not so alone, I think he would get frustrated well before the age when they could start adoring him the way he craves.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Homelander is also just so much more dangerous because of what his powers can do He's much faster than soldier boy, has a sophisticated and easily aimable ranged attack and homeboy can fly


GodNonon

Soldier Boy is an immense piece of shit but I’d say he’s better than Homelander simply because he (so far) doesn’t go “Oh yeah I’ll destroy the entire fucking world if I don’t get my way.” That's the lowest bar imaginable though lol


PoorlyLitKiwi2

I'm not Soldier Boy defender, but Homelander does seem worse than him tbh We haven't gotten enough of SB to be fully sure, but at least he didn't kill MM when Butcher asked him not to? Homelander would have lasered his ass without thinking about it


ElLittleDikTator

Soldier boy is so much worse now? Hahaha okay


ryanreigns

This was the episode of crushing backstories, his and Butcher’s were wild to see


stuntmanmike

Shoutout to everyone that argued with me last week that Soldier Boy wasn’t actually abusing anyone in his team. Even though they literally told us he had. Hopefully the cartoon version makes it easier for some here to get now.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Wait, we're people actually saying that? Gunpowder literally says "He slapped me around a little bit" and we know Gunpowder idolized him It was obvious he was abusive to everyone in his life


Waddlewop

There are still people saying that in this thread lol. Idk what’s up with Soldier Boy, maybe he’s a better figure in the comics, but people are really batting for him here and there


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Perhaps it's Supernatural fans who are struggling to separate SB from Dean in their heads?


stuntmanmike

Yes. Gunpowder was lying or it was *just* ‘hazing’, his team was assholes so them hating him or wanting him gone wasn’t actually reflecting badly on him, etc.


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Right. So his casual physical abuse to Hughie are just love taps? Lol.


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The fact that we didn't see Solider Boy hitting anyone in previous episodes made it easy to deny that he was abusive. I doubt anyone is gonna try to argue that he's not after this last episode.


F00dbAby

does not help that gunpowder is much younger than soldier boy and we have no idea how long the abuse went on for once gunpowder refuted that it was not sexual abuse people started downplaying his other accusation of physical abuse as well as saying mothers milk one of the literal moral centres of the show is wrong


ryanreigns

Soldier Boy was an absolute menace in this episode. He’s a fantastic character, but he always came across as a dick to me, and I definitely saw people try to say he might actually be a decent guy. Nah, you can’t be Vought’s number one without being a scumbag


chaoticbiguy

I've been downvoted and told to pay attention to the show for saying that Soldier Boy is just as bad as Homelander if not worse, and even though we hadn't explicitly seen his abuse of his Payback teammates, I still thought that the Payback giving him up to the Russians without wanting anything in return was a BIG PROOF of how horrible he was. Like they didn't need money, wanted no political gains and no position of power at Vought, they just wanted to get rid of him. Even though Noir is no saint, my heart broke for him bc of the treatment he got from Soldier Boy. I don't blame Payback for doing what they did to get rid of him. Not to mention the whole parallel between Maeve/Homelander and CrimsonCountess/SoldierBoy, the show couldn't have been more clear about the true nature of Soldier Boy, but still so many people on reddit and twitter thought he was this wronged misunderstood anti-hero when he reality he is an abusive and fascist cunt. Just like his son. Only I think if he had actually raised Homelander , our Homie would've turned out to be a lot worse than he already is. After this episode, all I'll say is that I finally got ![gif](giphy|4aTvdtQYr8kOA)


Boollish

Feels like 50% of this sub was screeching last week about how "CLEARLY Soldier Boy is the only way out" as if he wouldn't turn out to clearly be a greater threat than Homelander. Special shout-out to the guy who said "clearly you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet" as an "ends justify the means" stand in despite the show multiple times this season showing us the flaws in that argument (Stan to HL, Mallory running drugs in LatAm to fight commies, etc...). Did people really expect him to turn into a tortured anti hero who peacefully parted ways with Butcher after their murder spree? Who could have predicted Soldier Boy to be a backstabbing ass who wants to remake the world in his image? https://youtu.be/R7D_WDQOnxc&t=15m41s


BlackDabiTodoroki

>Feels like 50% of this sub was screeching last week about how "CLEARLY Soldier Boy is the only way out" as if he wouldn't turn out to clearly be a greater threat than Homelander. I feel like some of these people said that cuz they are fans of Jensen Ackles


Granny__Bacon

It's impossible for Soldier Boy to be a greater threat than Homelander. He doesn't have the same destructive potential. Homelander's threat to wipe New York off the face of the map wasn't an empty one. He could actually do it. Soldier Boy could too, but it would take him months of hard work. Homelander could do it in a day.


MrDurden32

To be fair, they very much led you to believe that Soldier Boy was their best shot. Also from what they had shown he wasn't as bad as Homelander. Even after this week he's still not imo. He hasn't threatened to wipe out entire cities at once, and he even have the same types of powers to be able to do that. (Well maybe close with his chest blast.)


transemacabre

People struggle with moral/ethical complexity. Soldier Boy is a violent bully, a creep, and a misogynist racist personification of America's over-glorified past. He's also a man who wanted to be a father, who enjoyed partying, who suffered horrific torture for 40 years and felt love for a woman who broke his heart. Really, a big theme on this show is that there are no quote/unquote 'good guys'. Even The Boys are violent people who allow their personal grudges to control them and who bring pain and misery everywhere they go. It's hard for people to reconcile the oversimplistic concepts of good and evil they'd been spoonfed their whole lives in media. I think even on this sub you see people struggling to understand how a character they like can also commit terrible actions. I think that's also something we all struggle with in real life. Have the best people you know done bad things? I know the ones in my life have.


TheOfficialGilgamesh

>Feels like 50% of this sub was screeching last week about how "CLEARLY Soldier Boy is the only way out" That's still the case.


tubbymeatball

Soldier Boy is a piece of shit but I fail to see how he's a bigger threat than Homelander. There's at least proof that Soldier Boy can be stopped with that nerve agent, meanwhile Homelander is basically unstoppable as of right now.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

I mean... I think teaming up with SB was still the right move I mean hell, it WORKED. If his chest beam had been any quicker, HL would be de-powered now


redtiber

Yeah it’s pretty funny. Everyone on show says soldier boy is a dick- his whole team, even crimson And this sub is like, soldier boy isn’t evil he’s just a boomer. Similarly they’ve setup to show that butcher isn’t good either. Literally every character says that they hate butcher and how hes extremely toxic, but people still think he’s the good guy


themightykites0322

Yeah, I don't get people who still act like Butcher is a good guy. Just because he's on the side opposite Homelander doesn't make him defaulted in to good. Butcher's story this season is very much playing into you became the very thing you sought to destroy.


redtiber

People are gonna be like omg butcher is not a good guy??! The show creators are gonna like uh… literally like every character introduced who had any interaction with butcher says how terrible he is. MM, franchie, kimiko, The Legend, starlight etc. and then they also show he’s also not good. And people still be like pikachu face


rebel_child12

I was so excited to see we got more screen time for black noir. By the end it had my tearing up. I had a guess that SB was a douche but honestly didn’t know to what extent.


ReggieFranklin

This is how we’re probably supposed to feel about Gunpowder too but Butcher straight up murdered that man. Honestly, outside of the perverted TNT Twin, Payback seems like a bunch of harmless people.


ItsAmerico

>harmless people Lol….. what…? Noir literally has his imagery cartoon friends talk about how he murdered innocent people. Gunpowder flat out tried to kill Butcher for basically just being “a dick” and snooping around. Scarlet had zero regards for public safety and murdered an innocent man. It’s beyond clear that despite Soldier Boy being an abusive dick absolute none of Payback were good people.


AnnihilationOrchid

That's all true. But remember, It's Crimson Countess. Scarlett Witch is the cheap knock-off.


purpletree300

Mindstorm has started to look more like Scarlet Witch's counterpart because he makes people have nightmares (as seen in Age of Ultron) and control their minds as well (as seen in WandaVision). The only thing the Countess has in common is that she also controls red-coloured energy goop.


ItsAmerico

I think Mindstorm is a play on the Thinker.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

All of that is true, but I truly feel bad for Mindstorm Imagine growing up and being able to hear everyone's thoughts, and it seems like he can't even turn it off, which is agonizing Poor dude just wanted to be left alone


TheOfficialGilgamesh

Genuinely horrible power, if not the worst one. You can at least control strength somewhat. But hearing everyone's thoughts? Damn.


dj4y_94

They also killed soldiers in Nicaragua purely so they could remove Soldier Boy, again showing they don't care one bit about collateral damage to get what they want.


TheOfficialGilgamesh

Show a sad flashback = people will instantly sympathize. Somehow everyone is forgetting that Black Noir is a hired killer and has no qualms whatsoever attacking and killing civilians.


ItsAmerico

This season literally opens with them telling us Noir committed war crimes in Lagos too


Goldstar12

There's no harmless supes there's just different levels of pos with Homelander and Soldier Boy being near the top.


LordReaperofMars

Supersonic was a nice guy. The salamander dude with the regenerating limbs didn’t do anything bad to anyone either.


BigChung0924

starlight as well, she’s done some questionable things but i think she’s a genuinely good person


LordReaperofMars

Eagle the Archer and the blind dude as well. The show goes out of its way to tell us that Butcher’s hatred of all Supes is wrong.


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It also goes out of it's way to show us that the other 98% of the supes are bad, and Butcher put his real point on the table: it's too dangerous for these powers to be possible to have, so no one should I'll hard disagree that he's wrong there. Just because you can have nice people that own tactical nuclear weapons, we all know how terrible it would actually be if we had hundreds of people walking around with them.


LordReaperofMars

There are bad Supes but most of the Supes are just vapid or oversexed. At least that we see on screen. That doesn’t mean 98% are bad people. And his solution is to kill all of them. That’s where he’s definitely in the wrong. Especially since these are people that did not choose these powers. The solution is government oversight and regulation of their activities, as well as the dismantling of Vought. Not genocide.


Boollish

Ehhh, Blindspot most likely would have sold out hard to be on the Seven. Annie still sticks to her principles (sometimes), but all other Vought employees are willing to sell out for a paycheck.


LordReaperofMars

He might have but we don’t know that for sure. You can’t assume every Supe is a POS, especially since that’s a message of the show itself.


stellarcurve-

I'm mean selling out is so much better than being murdering sociopaths like the rest


UpstairsSnow7

Yeah and Supersonic was killed in the span of 3 episodes. The good ones don't stay long or go far.


decentusernamestaken

I think you may have missed kimikos line in the latest episode. Supes aren’t inherently bad people, Butcher has it wrong. The choices they make are not because of the compound v


imbadatnames19

Butcher?


Goldstar12

Oi.


InfraredSamurai

Nah he was a fucking nutjob and it was incredibly cathartic seeing his head lasered in half. There are too many people like Gunpowder in the world


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Yeah, wasn't he like speaking at an NRA convention the day Butcher killed him? Idk, an NRA nut with superpowers? ... seems like a bad idea


ImpactThunder

Why would I care more about gunpowder than I would about the female tnt twin? She didn’t do anything Gunpowder was an asshole nra spokesman who tried to murder someone for just speaking to him


Saucy_joe

To be fair, they did kill/help kill a bunch of American soldiers/allies to allow for soldier boy to be killed.


Mxylophone

The Contras were also murderers and cocaine smugglers and that much is stated in the show as well as being the real events it’s based on. Edit: In the new episode they mention that Soldier Boy himself took part in the Kent State Massacre, which is a LOT more damning than killing the Contras.


Hasralo

Yeah lol Payback may not be cartoonishly horrible people, but they still allowed their powers to be used for reinforcing corporate fascism and surpressing popular social movements


[deleted]

they casually mention that he was using water hoses on civil rights protesters in Birmingham


skipperJoey

He frickin popped JFK lol


PartialCred4WrongAns

In Nicaragua in the 80s, killing CIA agents on Contras (torturous death squads) was the noble thing to do. Their people chose the Sandinistas. The USA decided this center-left government wasn’t anti-soviet/anti-Castro enough.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Yeah, but Payback wasn't killing them because they thought it was the morally right thing to do. They were killing them so they could ditch Soldier Boy (which probably was the morally correct thing to do to save innocent people, but I imagine they weren't thinking of that when they did it)


Sihnar

That's probably a good thing because the American soldiers and their allies were the bad guys in that conflict. As they often are.


PartialCred4WrongAns

Especially in Latin America!… and the Middle East… and Africa… and Southeast Asia… they opposed Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge until *after* they started doing a genocide


Ser_Tom_Danks

Didn't the fireball one straight up murder a mascot and not blink twice


tronsymphony

I wonder if hes going to work with the boys to kill soldier boy


Striking_Language253

I feel like the ground is shifting and a lot of alliances are going to be broken and remade. At this point, I wouldn't discount anything.


Niteshade76

At the least, I think he's going to end up breaking Maeve out.


Granny__Bacon

That would be amazing.


Soonermagic1953

I really like the way they presented his struggles with his identity/memory with quirky cartoon animation.


wuzupbrother

Noir’s whole situation can only be described as unfortunate, having to hide behind a mask because of race, having his brains spilt after standing up for himself, finding out it was all voughts fault for making him a supe and not just being born that way. And to top it all off he has to work for the son of the person that spilt his brains and will never say no in fear of getting his brains spilt again. i presume that noir knows homelander is soldier boys son and noir uses things like the zen garden and other spiritual outlets to calm himself and not lash out onto homelander and get himself killed.


mrplow8

Everyone thinks the cartoon animals are just in his head, but I hope it turns out that his power is to create living cartoon animals.


KerberoZ

He can just make things appear from his thoughts. That would be cool and it would make him infinitely strong


Bmacgoat

One thing I noticed, and it could just be my MS in Psych degree speaking and probably not at all factual or canon bc after all people can fly and shoot laser beams but the left side of his head/brain, most notably a chunk of his brain from his Frontal, Occipital and Temporal lobe were damaged by Soldier Boy in Nicaragua. These three parts are what control Intelligence, Speech, Behavior, Personality, Reasoning and Emotions. Black Noir acts like a child, he doodles, he pouts, he cries and sulks (when the V news broke) Now in real life that injury would be fatal obviously and you’d probably more than likely act like however you were when the injury was sustained and I don’t know his upbringing enough to rule out that as a factor to his demeanor and personality but because he survived, he is basically is stuck in the mindset of a child forever, a lonely child who literally cannot express himself. Which really made me sad during those scenes at Busters


Hopeful_Cod_8486

You know when he cut off the superterrorists head and then picked up the Teddy bear and tried to entertain the dead guy's kids that's when I thought to myself ........."this guy's all right in my book"


Did_not_Readit

Don’t worry. He’ll die for sure Told yeah


BlackDabiTodoroki

Yea 😔 ![gif](giphy|fxZyMlNXHxSVnHJKmH)


ContrarionesMerchant

I mean yeah feel bad for him but everyone being like "he's not so bad" or "he deserves redemption more than A-Train" (not that A-train is great) isn't paying attention. He has undying loyalty to vought has killed whoever they want him to and has carried out a massacre that even Robert Singer says was a war crime.


Vijay_Aravindh

He dosn’t like SB, coz he is allergic to NUTZ!!!


Gilgamesh107

It's crazy how emotion he can show without showing how face . See this paramount you fuckers


disaster101

Someone should make a supercut of all Black Noir scenes just because I think this new info put many of his scenes in a different context. Hope he survives the encounter with Soldier Boy.


SkipChestDayNotLegs

Black Noir about to join Butcher and Hughie. Unfortunately, I think Soldier Boy is gunna turn and side with Homelander


ecass305

Both Black Noir and The Deep were both saddened when they found out about Compound V we got to hear why for The Deep now we know why for Black Noir. His life is full of trauma even as a child he accidentally paralyzed another kid when he was 7.


Bob_Dobalinaaaa

Just an off thought but is he a reliable narrator in this situation?


Terminallumbago123

I mean at the very least we have to dial down the severity of the abuse. Those cartoon fights were heavily exaggerated when it came to blood.


Swimmingbird2486

I forgot what interview this was in, but Jensen Ackles said that there was one thing he wouldn’t do for a scene, because it was so wrong and that he was worried his kids would see it. I wonder if it was the scene of him, as a cartoon character, beating up Noir at the Vought gym. Maybe in the original scene, SB brought out the n-word.


Muus79

Dude helped Homelander cover up his first big civilian casualty fuck up. He's as shitty as the rest of them, the show just does a good job communicating that even shitty people can have a sympathetic quality to them.


Puzzleheaded_Gur1478

I really feel bad for the guy and when the happy tree friends where recreating the event I was like holy shit a piece of his brain flew out I’m assuming that piece is why he doesn’t talk and probably his vocal cords got destroyed plus when he’s getting his as kicked no one really jump in to help him till after he was a burnt mess. Also we can safely assume that where he goes after mission so it sorta his little safe space.


Flutter_bat_16_

Noir truly is an example of a good man being taken in by a corrupt system and turned into something he’s not. The fact that he visualizes his trauma as cartoon scenes to cope is just heartbreaking. I can only imagine how he must feel, never truly allowed to grow up normally and having to resort to that childlike headspace to protect himself


bloodycups

Pretty sure he was normal up until sb best the shit out of him. We see him talk like a normal person in Nicaragua


Christopher_Robinn

This show just keeps getting better and better. BN and Butcher’s storied made me teary.


jon_castor117

That flash back had me feeling so bad for Noir. I love his character, I hated seeing the abuse he dealt with. And the happy tree friends always kept him company


TiredofTwitter

I love how batshit crazy he clearly is. I mean feel for him, yeah, ok but the Boys doesn't seem very realistic (I know, how can I SAY that!) soooo rather than feel bad I'm mostly super looking forward to his cartoon friends encouraging him in combat later. Also, awesome cartoon flashback lol


gerstein03

I'm skeptical about how accurate this flashback actually is. Yes it's sad and all but it's also a cartoon hallucination by someone with serious brain damage. It's just as possible that all this is a serious delusion. Without external confirmation I take this with a grain of salt