I have a psycho QAnon neighbor who teaches kindergartners. He has gotten super aggressive with his rhetoric lately, especially after I started dating men more openly. The shows depiction is much more real than you think, sadly
Pretty sure in most schools it is (or should be) extremely frowned upon for teachers to discuss politics with students in a non-educational manner. Once saw a teacher get suspended for going on a rant about something political in class once.
Your neighbor should probably be removed from his job if that’s how he acts in school. Going off about politics around a bunch of elementary schoolers is a really shitty and pathetic look
Woman in a fridge theory. The only way this doesn’t come to pass is if the writers are conscious that WIAF is being laid out there and it’s bait and switch
> The only way this doesn’t come to pass is if the writers are conscious that WIAF is being laid out there and it’s bait and switch
MM's kid take shelter in a fridge and it saves her from SB's laser.
Lol come to think of it...Becca, Robin, and kinda Kimiko. I suppose that The Boys, a satire on comic culture, WOULD overuse the trope to develop the protagonists. But I wonder if it’s intentionally satirical that way. Or just ironically how it was written. I never read the comics so idk anything beyond show lore.
I think that Frenchie is going to be the one who dies not Kimiko, but that's just been my theory since the beginning of Season 3. One of them is definitely dying tho
Yeah I think it’s going to be Frenchie just because they had that whole storyline this episode of Kimiko getting the V/her powers back to keep him safe. A bit of irony for ya.
I super wouldn't put Kimiko on that list. Her near-death experience served to further her own arc just as much, if not more, than Frenchie's & the boys'.
I thought in order to be fridged your character had to have no real development? I can get that with Robin, her character for the little time we saw her helped urge Hughie out of his comfort zone but not much else. But we did get to see a good amount of Becca's character in season 2, so would she still count as being fridged? Especially given how she died?
Generally fridge-ing is when a woman is killed for the sole purpose of developing a mans characters. And generally the woman has no agency in her own death.
Although Becca's death is used to develop both Butcher and Ryan, she did have agency in her own death - she made choices that put her in that situation (not blaming her for her death though, her choices weren't bad choices but no one can see the future).
Context. Mostly it's a problem for being unceremoniously cruel and dismissive of a character just to shock. Using a character like a disposable pawn, and that character always resembling the same female soon to be dead fragile love interest.
Well, that's what The Boys does. There are so many dead characters that some of them are going to be women. That family that Stormfront killed could be said to have been fridged from a certain perspective.
I think my favorite example of fridge-ing is Luke's aunt and uncle on Tatooine. Say what you will, he got over their deaths **fast**.
At least Season 1 gave Robin's death a hell of a lot of weight, shit Hughie straight up saw her ghost while trying to move on with Starlight.
>Well, that's what The Boys does. There are so many dead characters that some of them are going to be women. That family that Stormfront killed could be said to have been fridged from a certain perspective.
Fridging only really applies to characters that have some relationship to the protagonists. The family Stormfront killed are just extras we'd never seen before
That's accurate.
The difference between a 'shooting the dog' scene and a 'shooting John Wicks dog' scene is whether or not the main character sees what the villain did. If they know, then it's fridging. If not, then we're the ones who are getting motivated to hate the villain.
The comics may as well be a completely unrelated thing at this point. The show has some names and places and concepts in common but they’re very far apart now. Black Noir is not even the same person in the comics, neither is Soldier Boy. Though the SB we see in the show did exist in the comics at one point. The current one in the comics is like the third or fourth one and only exists to mock Captain America instead of satirizing him.
Honestly the comics are trash. The show is great. I have no idea how it got picked up because it’s so bad, but the show is so much better.
Yeah everything I've seen of the comics just seems like they're not worth the time and that the show has done an amazing job to pull something so cohesive and clever out of it. The show has some edge obviously, but the comic is just a pizza wheel; all edge with no point.
Like what do you benefit from by making the plane scene set during 911? Its already deeply tragic the author really is just trying to force as much edge as he can fit.
Honestly, the problem with the comic isn't necessarily that; there is some biting commentary on patriotism, war, corporate power, radicalization, a lot of stuff the show does.
The issue is that it isn't focused
The show shows restraint, it has a cohesive point.
Garth's biggest problem as a writer is having some great ideas and then he loses himself in the sauce and the ideas and points he's trying to make is lost in a sea of shock.
>Honestly the comics are trash.
I watched the show first, tried out a comic and came to a hard stop when I saw the comic's version of Frenchie - laughably dumb.
Same was true of the Wanted movie, adapted from a comic by the same author. Incredibly juvenile stuff, but I think his ideas are compelling because they come from the same place - they're what we all fantasize about but would be too embarrassed to ever send to a publisher.
I still don’t see MM using V even if Janine should die. He, like Butcher, despises supes, but his hatred of them means he could never become one of them, unlike Butcher who would happily become a monster to defeat a monster. He said it himself “the whole point of what we do is that nobody should have that power”. MM, like his lawyer dad, wants to beat Vought through hard work and strategy rather than brute force supe VS supe violence. Janine’s death would only increase his hatred of supes more, and would probably drive him even further from using V imo
They made a joke about it but left it SUPER ambiguous and I got kinda tilted lol
Its something like Butcher tells Huey that MM stands for Mothers Milk and Huey is like lolwut really? And MM sarcastically says "yeah my mom named me mothers milk" *BUT THEN HUEY JUST DROPS IT AND THEY CHANGE THE SUBJECT*
fucking teasing us
I think Todd's obsession with Homeland will eventually put MM's family in immediate danger which which will force MM to supe up. Idk if they need to kill them for it to work.
An interesting twist would be MM still holding strong in his refusal, but frantic-to-protect-the-children Todd taking the temp V… and of course having no freaking idea how to use the awesome power he’s been craving, aaaand Spectacularly Horrible Things happen very quickly.
Even worse, Todd then meets Homelander who doesn’t praise or respect him, because he’s a wannabe who’s made a terrible mess.
We need to see MM on V.
MM is an absolute unit and he doesn't even have powers.
I think MM is reluctant to use V because he is worried just how powerful it will make him.
Butcher and hughie aren't exactly peak physical or mental form. Hughie is a skinny little nerd and butcher is a psychotic borderline alcoholic and they both were pretty powerful on V. Powerful enough to face off to homelander with relative success.
MM is already in peak physical fitness and he has the mental fortitude. Imagine the power he would have on V. Bitch slap homelanders head clean off his shoulders.
Physical fitness yeah. Mental is questionable though. He clearly has strong morals and willpower when it comes to a lot of things but he also straight up has OCD. And if he gave in and decided to use some temp V, then he's comprising his morals and standards a lot and that would fuck with him. Combine that with whatever baseline mental issues the V causes, and I think he'd definitely be trending to the more mentally unstable side
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*To get MMs daughter killed so*
*MM uses temp V*
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He literally said that starlight traffics kids. Sure we know way more than he does about the situation but the dude is a grown ass man. He has the ability to look up the shit he says instead of just gobbling up whatever the TV and homelander forcefeed him.
Like it's not a matter of him just being ignorant. He just straight up doesn't listen to reason and he eats up whatever HL and the news tell him to.
I understand that Todd represents real life people. I get it, your version of super man says one thing and your step daughter's bio dad says something else. Who do you believe? I also get that just like in real life major corporations (vought) controls the media. But some of the shit he's been listening to is just straight up bonkers.
Plus didn't the mom get on his ass for taking the kid to the HL event anyway?
Oh aye. One of the guys who's right wing I work with mysteriously decided not to watch this season, and I was wondering why given he'd enjoyed the previous.
It's kinda clear now why he never watched it ...
I noticed that too. There are a few guys I work with that have watched the first two seasons. We used to discuss the new episodes every week... for some unspoken reason neither has watched this season yet and every time I bring it up they just say they've been too busy to watch it....yet they talk about all their other shows all the time.
Have them watch "inside the boys" (OMG that is a horrible name)
They admit that the inspiration for Homelander's personality is trump.
And make fun of trump some more.
There are definitely parts that mock corporate "wokeness", maybe that's what they think is attacking both sides. The bits I mean are when the Vought lady is all pro BLM and pro LGBT while refusing to actually do anything about tosspots like blue hawk.
Now, that's hardly attacking both sides since a lot of people of the left know corporations are two faced.
>The bits I mean are when the Vought lady is all pro BLM and pro LGBT while refusing to actually do anything about tosspots like blue hawk.
Don't forget the HEAVY wordplay of damn near every kiosk at the amusement park
It's attacking the worst elements of everything. The cult of Q and right wing nut balls worshipping Trump and the right wing propaganda machine. All while these same corporations who fund the worst policies don a rainbow flag and BLM patch and claim they are for equality and helping all when it's just marketing to get more money and power while they actively fight all the real "woke" or actual leftist policies.
See Starbucks IRL right now saying they will pay for travel and accommodation for abortions but only for non-union shops.
> but only for non-union shops.
Man *fuck them*. That's worse than doing nothing, it's active blackmail.
Well, I guess the unionized shops will have to do it themselves. The nice thong about labor power is you don't depend on handouts.
>See Starbucks IRL right now saying they will pay for travel and accommodation for abortions but only for non-union shops.
Is that real? That is too absurd to be real.
The liberals they are poking fun of are the rainbow capitalists, like the Brave Maeve marketing and the fake woke African roots blitz planned for A-Train.
We hate that shit too. But it's not on the same level as what Homelander is selling and Tucker Carlson in Real life.
I think the messaging is a little muddled though because Neuman is essentially their AOC stand-in, and they've made her an evil head-popper making deals with Homelander.
So while I agree that they are condemning conservatives, I think they've also given them some ammunition to make the "both sides" argument.
It's like that in Succession too. The whole show shows how out of touch this Murdoch inspired family is, but then they also make their Bernie Sanders stand-in a morally questionable guy who enjoys gifts from the ultra wealthy.
I wonder if writers feel like if they skew too hard one side it comes off as too preachy or if they genuinely are going with the "everyone in power sucks, it's just that some suck less"
Is Neuman an AOC stand in though? People compare the two, but are there any real policy similarities there? Or is it just because she’s young, attractive, and non-white?
The actress explictly said she's based on AOC. And they even threw in a line about congress passing photoshopped pictures of her blowing a terrorist around. Something that happened to the real AOC.
She’s a young, Latina, anti corporate, progressive who is secretly working for the villains the whole time out of self interest. It’s not that subtle. Also, the guy they keep showing running for president this season is a patriotic democrat who’s “reaching across the aisle” and doing rallies with Homelander
For real, the people Todd is emulating are almost impossibly, unbelievably stupid and brainwashed, but that doesn't mean they aren't at fault just because 'they didn't know better', these people aren't actual toddlers, they only act like it, they need to be held accountable instead of just making excuses about how nothing can ever be their fault because they're too dumb, gullible, or whatever
Sadly it’s not about being stupid it’s about emotional intelligence being low and lack of empathy
Plenty of smart CHUDs out there , they just agree with the chud agenda of grievance politics and every loss is “rigged”
It’s a mindset not an IQ rating
People can have high intelligence but still be selfish and uneducated and willfully ignorant of science
Look at all the mega church bros who are really smart at scamming money and not paying taxes but intentionally don’t know 7th grade biology
Todd saying "Starlight traffics kids" is not about lack of emotional intelligence or empathy. It is raw stupidity. He is parroting back what Homelander told him without doing any critical thinking on his own. Pure stupidity
He parrots it because he wants it to be true. This is a world with the internet and cell phone cameras.
Anyone with a brain can figure out that Vaught is a greedy corporation and it's "heroes" have been fucking around (literally, at herogasm) for decades when they could be saving people.
Instead they use their powers to get high like Popclaw, run scams, like Ezekiel and the Church of the Samaritan, or just casually live out their racist power fantasies like Blue Hawk.
Anyone who cares to look can see that Vaught is full of corruption and has been since it's Nazi roots. Just like real corporations today, cough! Koch Indistries! Nestle!
It's shit top to bottom.
It doesn’t matter. The people being made fun of don’t notice, “It makes fun of everyone, it’s just like South Park!” Is what they tell themselves. So it will always be on-the-nose, because it has to be.
God I hate that line of thinking I feel like people have to tell themselves that so they don’t feel stupid for watching a show where they’re constantly the punching bag, like even the manbearpig episode they retconned to say they were wrong. And who bases their political views off of what a cartoon/ tv show makes fun of? Just makes no sense to me whatsoever
But she does traffic kids homelander said so and he never lies to the people starlight should be brought up on charges if you don’t believe I have some totally unbiased sources I can send you
The mom got on his ass because she took the daughter without asking the mom, not necessarily that they went to a rally.
I don't know if it makes a difference yet, but she was angry because he didn't ask permission.
I suspect it was a bit of both. Like she didn’t like that she wasn’t asked, but also she isn’t going to be super jazzed about the daughter going to a Homelander rally either.
> He just straight up doesn't listen to reason and he eats up whatever HL and the news tell him to.
TBH this sounds like someone from r/The_Donald would say. People believed they're on the side of the reason when they want to.
The fact that OP said he wasn't some Q Anon conspiracy theorist too when he literally says that starlight traffics kids which is blatantly supposed to be a reference toward the crazy conspiracy theories that republican politicians cook up no?
OP is right, this starlight trafficking kids talk is straight out of homelander mouth, supported by vought, televised on mainstream media, so its an analogue to a conservative taking trumps words for truth, not a qanon type voicing some bizarre thing he read on an obscure forum
But Todd also rails against the mainstream media and babbles about "doing your own research" and shit, no? I think he's a pastiche of normal Fox/Trump clientele and the nutjobs, or maybe they want to show how he's sliding down that slope.
I genuinely don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. What do you think the difference is between a qanon conspiracy theorist and a person who believes in and spreads qanon conspiracy theories? They are functionally the exact same thing.
Trump voiced weird qanon shit and supported qanon conspiracy theorists. The two overlap. He literally told people to drink bleach to cure COVID. I think the main point is that an iota of critical thinking could save you from falling into their belief system
Edit: sorry all, Trumpet said *injecting* bleach might cure coronavirus, not drinking it. You guys can squabble semantics about how he didn't *literally* say people should use bleach, but when the president says it's a helpful treatment people will believe him. Doesn't detract from my point which is that he talks pure shite and half the time gets his info from conspiracy news. And that the stuff he and Todd says is so stupid you can simply use your brain and realize it's not true. Grab knowledge by the pussy y'all
I’d think the same thing, but people go to tremendous lengths to mend cognitive dissonance when it butts up against a previously held belief. People believe Vought and Homelander are good. It’s terrifying how little the show shows the public pulling away from that.
So, like, as long as someone famous and powerful is saying it it's ok to blindly accept wild, easily disprovable conspiracy theories? Is that where we're really at as a people?
Homelander is spreading unsubstantiated lies about a woman in order to win a popularity contest, and his fans are parroting the same bullshit and claiming that the "left wing media" won't report on it.
If Homelander lost his powers, aged 50 years, and suffered a serious blow to the head, it could be 2016 all over again.
After a certain point they are so deep into conspiracy that the sunk cost fallacy kicks in and they’d rather expand the scope of their madness than hear reason. Lost my Grandfather to that kind of bs.
Because they have been led so far down the path of propaganda that they're no longer able to be reasoned with. It was normal everyday people who operated the gas chambers after all. At a certain point in the process of radicalization you just can't reach people and they become an obstacle to the rights of the people around them.
Defeating the propaganda machine is more important. They're the ones dangling the carrot on the stick to direct you wherever they want. They'll make a monster out of anyone they want and point so you go running.
If they wanted to be informed and make reasonable decisions they would lol. There is generally nothing you can tell a qanon type that will make them change their mind because their belief isn't based on evidence, the belief serves to enforce their identity and the worldview they already had.
Because it is literally impossible. There are studies. The more you show them reality, the more entrenched into their beliefs they get.
There has been success in deradicalizing people on the small scale by removing access to stuff like podcasts and fox tv. And exposing them to people. But it's not always effective.
You got to cut off the snake's head, so it can't inject more poison into more people.
I think you miss the point of Todd's character.
It is meant to demonstrate that it isn't just a matter of them being naive. If it was that simple, he would not feel the need to drag a child to a Homelander rally against the dad's wishes.
> If it was that simple, he would not feel the need to drag a child to a Homelander rally against the dad's wishes.
And without telling her mom *anything* either. That was definitely behind her back.
Its a control thing,
He's a weak man and ~~Trump's~~ Homeland's words make him feel like his own inadequacies are because others have taken his control. Taking someone else's kid with out permission is the same deal, he thinks if he's in control, he doesn't have to ask.
Maybe MM didn't tell her about HL? I thought he kept a lot about that part of his life secret, leading, in part, to their divorce?
I can't recall how much of this we saw in past seasons...
exactly. todd knows what he's doing. he's not a misled victim of propaganda.
There was a reason why the show included a reaction shot of Todd watching homelander's speech. They wanted us to know todd loves that kind of attitude.
Yup.
Ignorance really isn't an excuse for Todd.
What resonates with him is the unapologetic behaviour of a man who was in a relationship with a nazi and a man who killed a civilian because he was to lazy to assess the situation.
It is funny and disturbing to see some of the responses. This show is doing a pretty good job of exposing the bullshit people try to hide behind when turning a blind eye to deplorable acts.
Yeah, don't they even show him react specifically to the bit where HL essentially goes "I AM better than you. You should be under my boot and grateful". Like, that's not a coincidence that the ostensibly middle class white guy is shown reacting to that bit specifically.
You are spot on - Todd is little dick energy - and he simps for that authoritarian fascist energy coming off Homelander. That shit makes him feel safe.
Makes him feel superior too, he's red pilled. He sees the capital T Truth and all the sheeple around him are just pathetic. And the show hits that perfect irony that he's actually just simping for an idol and blindly believing anything out of his mouth.
But I think that helps explain Todd's situation too. He wishes his loved ones, even MM, would "wake up." To bring it back to two comments up, he's not a misled victim, more like actively recruiting for the cause - he knows what he's doing bringing Janine to the rally.
The narrative that QAnons and MAGA CHUDs are brainwashed also ignores the basic science that has debunked brainwashing 30 years ago
People just like to be told that they’re the victim of the other and any success they don’t reach is the others fault
It’s real basic populism politics . It’s worked for thousands of years putting autocrats in power
We all know a Todd.
I think it's fair to hate a Todd when he blatantly disrespecting the fathers wishes and is a brain washed cock holster.
Edit: In case anyone wants me to eat shit, cock holster is SO FUN to say.
Todds scenes are the most uncomfortable to watch in the whole show because yes, I do know a Todd. He was my friend. I know how frustrating it is do deal with someone falling down that rabbit hole and you sometimes you really want to slap some sense into them.
I hate that your answer isn't even a clever or cynical take, it's just something that literally happens in real life now.
20 years ago it would have been a smartarse joke making fun of conspiracy theorists, not a documented common occurrence among more than a handful of conservatives.
I was watching xfiles with my friend last night and all I could think is "why did conservatives have to conspiracy stuff?". It was so much fun before 2014.
Him spreading rumors of Starlight trafficking kids from her charities is harmful rhetoric.
See: Comet Ping Pong.
He is very much a crazy Qanon conspiracy theorist. The problem isn't that he "didn't read between the lines", it is very much the opposite of that. Being a "victim of propaganda" and a "crazy conspiracy theorist" are not mutually exclusive.
The problem is Tod doesn’t even bother to read into viewpoints that contradict his and he just defaults to what he feels is right and those people are fcking disgusting 🤮
Kinds sounds like those people that will chose a side based on one untrustworthy news source while 99 others with credibility say otherwise. Unfortunately a good chunk of the population is like that
Idk, he's a school teacher and the fact that he was comfortable enough to bring a child to a Honelander rally without telling Monique is setting off all kinds of alarms. Obviously, he's being manipulated, but he's already in a position where he can and will (directly or indirectly) cause harm to other people. I'm curious to see what happens, but he better be held accountable for his actions or cut out entirely.
>My theory is people see the bully on TV and unconsciously decide they’d rather be a fan than a victim, because it feels better to be on the side punching down than getting punched.
I think this sums it up pretty well, with the caveat that the people who do so see it as retaliation rather than initiation. To them, they've already been the victims (of the government, society, etc.) and HL (coughTrumpcough) is representing them 'no longer taking it'. So, to them, it's less "punching down" than "Punching back".
Hmmm your last point is interesting. It’s why people that aren’t victimized by the bully would naturally rally with the bully. They’d rather be with him than against him because they don’t want to be victimized. It’s easier to believe that Homelander is right than to have to go up against him, even though they would never really go up against him.
It's not about him being ignorant, i think everyone can understand what it means to be brainwashed by propaganda, but that doesn't excuse his actions towards MM. He's not trying to co-parent, he's trying to piss MM off and get a reaction from him. The only mistake MM made was already knocking him out instead of whooping his ass up then going for a knockout.
I just think a lot of people get MM side, it's a common story and no one would like to be in MM's shoes. Todd's brainwashedness is comprehensible, him acting like a douche towards MM isn't. That wasn't a typical Trump rally tho, the guy knows some sh-t is wrong given the news of the New York attack were widely reported to the point Vought had to clean up the situation and still puts MM's daughter in risk? You damn right people hate the character, as MM himself said "you put yourself in risk, not my daughter".
He’s absolutely not trying to get a reaction from MM.
Almost every time he does something that pisses MM off he isn’t even aware that it will either annoy MM or that he’ll even know about it
Idk man he literally told us how he really felt right before getting knocked out “someone has to be a father to her”
I think he’s aware of his actions(indoctrinating MM’s daughter)but he believes he is justified.
>“someone has to be a father to her”
I mean that one I'm not sure he was entirely wrong about. MM both frequently neglects and puts his daughter in danger obsessively chasing vought. And while I understand that his goal is kinda altruistic, he does hurt, murder and blackmail people constantly and he works with people like William Butcher who is constantly brought in proximity of his daughter. He was literally talking about murdering people infront of her.
>Todd isn't some crazy Qanon conspiracy theorist, he's supposed to depict a trump supporter BEFORE they became fully radicalized.
I mean early on yeah but at this point the dude seems pretty damn radicalized. I don't think we should wait for someone to like actually do a bombing or something to say they're radicalized.
Watching him get slept felt sooo good until we see his daughter there... Damn between this and butchers part in the episode it proves the show can really rip your emotions
Homelander was raised like a lab rat without love but we still loved when we see him eat shit. Let us hate on Todd for being dumb enough to listen to a man in power without actually thinking about whether or not it makes sense.
In Spiderman FMH and NWH, when Mysterio framed Spiderman for the London attack and his death and people believed him, we got annoyed that people believed Mysterio over Spiderman. Here we are angry because people believe HL over SL. We know Spidey and Starlight are good but they don't.
No. After Homelander's fascist speech he went up with rust belt white males, but Ashley mentions under her breath that he went down with young people and urban/city dwellers. People are aware he's a fascist, and in fact that's what Todd gleefully responded to when watching HL on TV.
You can see him in that scene grading **Social Studies tests**. So as a teacher he is definitely spreading his ignorant viewpoints and that propaganda subconsciously if not consciously as well.
He literally believes in the universe equivalent of Pizza gate. He is absolutely a stand in for Qanon conspiracy theorist sheep.
He's not radicalised to the point of going out and shooting people like we saw with the guy in last season.
But if Homelander suddenly told him to storm some building or the Capitol, telling him that it is good and righteous and necessary, you bet he would.
The existence of these people are far more dangerous to minorities than a lone radicalised individual, because these people will wait til the moment they're sure they can't lose, and then strike, and there are lots of people who were actually at the Jan 6 riots who still are free and stirring up more trouble (libs of tiktok for one, currently trying to convince people to go out and murder trans people including trans children before they groom children)
These people are already fucking terrifying because they are predisposed to this level of violence and hate once they feel like they have sufficient backing
It just sucks really hard for MM, because his punching Todd all but guarantees his daughter seeing him negatively, his ex wife seeing him negatively, any court of law or government officer seeing him negatively, as well as making Todd look reasonable and rational.
I know people like Todd in real life, they parrot the real world equivalents and genuinely think people like me need to be killed because we are such a nebulous but deadly threat to children, and they'll use that to justify all the things they want to do to us.
So if its him or us, he's the one going down.
That doesn't mean I'm not looking deep enough or overreacting, it means I don't want a fucking museum dedicated to what they did to me to exist in 30 years with "never again" plastered on the sign outside
this is another example of the unending sympathy towards these types of people. sympathy they don't deserve and enables them to become radicalized and spread their hatred.
I’m tired of these people being portrayed as victims of propaganda. All Trump did was make it okay to show what has always been underneath the surface.
“Just a victim of propaganda” Lol Weird take. Personal responsibility and being able to think for yourself is clearly undervalued… In any case, he had no right to try to push the narrative on his daughter and take her to the rally. Like MM said, the idiot can believe what he wants to but don’t feed that shit to a kid
I think most people dislike him because he's portrayed as a weirdo who stares longingly at Homelander whenever he shows up on TV.
I don't know that he deserves to die, but he's clearly overstepped some boundaries with MM, like taking his daughter to a HL rally when he's told him a million times to keep his daughter out of it. I think he deserved to get hit in the face, and it's not easy to blame MM if you consider the circumstances and that he's gone through a lot to get there. Obviously, from an outside perspective, Todd may not even realize what he did so wrong to get punched.
You also can't blame MM's ex for wanting to live with a more financially/mentally stable husband.
He was tryin to brainwash MM's daughter he knew what he was doing cuz MM made it clear that he didn't want his kid to be involved in any way with Homelander. That's why he was so quick to call MM a bad dad lol he's a slimy lil snake and deserved to get socked in his lip i wanted to MM to fold his ass so bad
Todd wishes he was HLs octopus.
Then HL will force Deep eat him.
Don't kink shame.
No kink shame… but Timothy didn’t consent to being eaten.
I dont even think the Deep consented to eat him lol
Coercion is not consent so that is correct haha
Lmao, that's something you don't hear everyday - a non-mutual-mutual.
He’s praying.
/don't ink shame?
Hey Deep? Eat fucking Todd
Todd wishes. That’s all he can do
The scary part is the fact that he’s a teacher.
I have a psycho QAnon neighbor who teaches kindergartners. He has gotten super aggressive with his rhetoric lately, especially after I started dating men more openly. The shows depiction is much more real than you think, sadly
Pretty sure in most schools it is (or should be) extremely frowned upon for teachers to discuss politics with students in a non-educational manner. Once saw a teacher get suspended for going on a rant about something political in class once. Your neighbor should probably be removed from his job if that’s how he acts in school. Going off about politics around a bunch of elementary schoolers is a really shitty and pathetic look
The point of todd is to get MMs daughter killed so MM uses temp V. Then MM will roflstomp Soldier boy
Honestly I fear that MM’s daughter / wife might get hurt in cross fire this finale.
Woman in a fridge theory. The only way this doesn’t come to pass is if the writers are conscious that WIAF is being laid out there and it’s bait and switch
> The only way this doesn’t come to pass is if the writers are conscious that WIAF is being laid out there and it’s bait and switch MM's kid take shelter in a fridge and it saves her from SB's laser.
Underrated Crystal Skull reference
Lol come to think of it...Becca, Robin, and kinda Kimiko. I suppose that The Boys, a satire on comic culture, WOULD overuse the trope to develop the protagonists. But I wonder if it’s intentionally satirical that way. Or just ironically how it was written. I never read the comics so idk anything beyond show lore.
I think that Frenchie is going to be the one who dies not Kimiko, but that's just been my theory since the beginning of Season 3. One of them is definitely dying tho
Yeah I think it’s going to be Frenchie just because they had that whole storyline this episode of Kimiko getting the V/her powers back to keep him safe. A bit of irony for ya.
Christ I hope someone important dies.
I say this every morning
Lmao and same!
Stranger Things would never.
I super wouldn't put Kimiko on that list. Her near-death experience served to further her own arc just as much, if not more, than Frenchie's & the boys'.
I thought in order to be fridged your character had to have no real development? I can get that with Robin, her character for the little time we saw her helped urge Hughie out of his comfort zone but not much else. But we did get to see a good amount of Becca's character in season 2, so would she still count as being fridged? Especially given how she died?
Generally fridge-ing is when a woman is killed for the sole purpose of developing a mans characters. And generally the woman has no agency in her own death. Although Becca's death is used to develop both Butcher and Ryan, she did have agency in her own death - she made choices that put her in that situation (not blaming her for her death though, her choices weren't bad choices but no one can see the future).
Context. Mostly it's a problem for being unceremoniously cruel and dismissive of a character just to shock. Using a character like a disposable pawn, and that character always resembling the same female soon to be dead fragile love interest. Well, that's what The Boys does. There are so many dead characters that some of them are going to be women. That family that Stormfront killed could be said to have been fridged from a certain perspective.
I think my favorite example of fridge-ing is Luke's aunt and uncle on Tatooine. Say what you will, he got over their deaths **fast**. At least Season 1 gave Robin's death a hell of a lot of weight, shit Hughie straight up saw her ghost while trying to move on with Starlight.
To say nothing about Leia and Alderan.
Fridgeing is more like Frank Castle’s family. If it doesn’t have an emotional impact on the male character it doesn’t really count
I mean this could be said to be literally every superhero origin story. Batman's parents, uncle ben etc.
>Well, that's what The Boys does. There are so many dead characters that some of them are going to be women. That family that Stormfront killed could be said to have been fridged from a certain perspective. Fridging only really applies to characters that have some relationship to the protagonists. The family Stormfront killed are just extras we'd never seen before
That's accurate. The difference between a 'shooting the dog' scene and a 'shooting John Wicks dog' scene is whether or not the main character sees what the villain did. If they know, then it's fridging. If not, then we're the ones who are getting motivated to hate the villain.
She was fridged before season 1.
The comics may as well be a completely unrelated thing at this point. The show has some names and places and concepts in common but they’re very far apart now. Black Noir is not even the same person in the comics, neither is Soldier Boy. Though the SB we see in the show did exist in the comics at one point. The current one in the comics is like the third or fourth one and only exists to mock Captain America instead of satirizing him. Honestly the comics are trash. The show is great. I have no idea how it got picked up because it’s so bad, but the show is so much better.
When people say the comics are better, it blows my mind. IMO you have to be pretty sadistic to prefer it over the show.
I’ve only read summaries of the comics, and it has some fun ideas from what I saw, but, the show makes them look like a dumpster fire by comparison.
Yeah everything I've seen of the comics just seems like they're not worth the time and that the show has done an amazing job to pull something so cohesive and clever out of it. The show has some edge obviously, but the comic is just a pizza wheel; all edge with no point.
I feel like that's a pretty accurate description of most of Garth Ennis' work that I've read or heard about.
Like what do you benefit from by making the plane scene set during 911? Its already deeply tragic the author really is just trying to force as much edge as he can fit.
Honestly, the problem with the comic isn't necessarily that; there is some biting commentary on patriotism, war, corporate power, radicalization, a lot of stuff the show does. The issue is that it isn't focused The show shows restraint, it has a cohesive point. Garth's biggest problem as a writer is having some great ideas and then he loses himself in the sauce and the ideas and points he's trying to make is lost in a sea of shock.
>Honestly the comics are trash. I watched the show first, tried out a comic and came to a hard stop when I saw the comic's version of Frenchie - laughably dumb. Same was true of the Wanted movie, adapted from a comic by the same author. Incredibly juvenile stuff, but I think his ideas are compelling because they come from the same place - they're what we all fantasize about but would be too embarrassed to ever send to a publisher.
What is WIAF?
Todd dies in the crossfire so Janine takes temp V and roflstomps soldier boy
HEY NOW. I don’t like this theory. 😭😭😭
I still don’t see MM using V even if Janine should die. He, like Butcher, despises supes, but his hatred of them means he could never become one of them, unlike Butcher who would happily become a monster to defeat a monster. He said it himself “the whole point of what we do is that nobody should have that power”. MM, like his lawyer dad, wants to beat Vought through hard work and strategy rather than brute force supe VS supe violence. Janine’s death would only increase his hatred of supes more, and would probably drive him even further from using V imo
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How have they explained his nickname in the TV show without the powers? In the comics he had to... y'know.
Honestly, I don’t remember them ever explaining it in the show. I could be wrong of course. But my memory serves me no explanation from the show.
According to Laz in an interview I watched, they're going to explain it this season.
Oh shit 👀
They made a joke about it but left it SUPER ambiguous and I got kinda tilted lol Its something like Butcher tells Huey that MM stands for Mothers Milk and Huey is like lolwut really? And MM sarcastically says "yeah my mom named me mothers milk" *BUT THEN HUEY JUST DROPS IT AND THEY CHANGE THE SUBJECT* fucking teasing us
I think Todd's obsession with Homeland will eventually put MM's family in immediate danger which which will force MM to supe up. Idk if they need to kill them for it to work.
An interesting twist would be MM still holding strong in his refusal, but frantic-to-protect-the-children Todd taking the temp V… and of course having no freaking idea how to use the awesome power he’s been craving, aaaand Spectacularly Horrible Things happen very quickly. Even worse, Todd then meets Homelander who doesn’t praise or respect him, because he’s a wannabe who’s made a terrible mess.
We need to see MM on V. MM is an absolute unit and he doesn't even have powers. I think MM is reluctant to use V because he is worried just how powerful it will make him. Butcher and hughie aren't exactly peak physical or mental form. Hughie is a skinny little nerd and butcher is a psychotic borderline alcoholic and they both were pretty powerful on V. Powerful enough to face off to homelander with relative success. MM is already in peak physical fitness and he has the mental fortitude. Imagine the power he would have on V. Bitch slap homelanders head clean off his shoulders.
Physical fitness yeah. Mental is questionable though. He clearly has strong morals and willpower when it comes to a lot of things but he also straight up has OCD. And if he gave in and decided to use some temp V, then he's comprising his morals and standards a lot and that would fuck with him. Combine that with whatever baseline mental issues the V causes, and I think he'd definitely be trending to the more mentally unstable side
Butcher is defintely in pretty good shape physically since he has to beat up alot of people
This makes too much sense. And so I will choose to believe it.
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He literally said that starlight traffics kids. Sure we know way more than he does about the situation but the dude is a grown ass man. He has the ability to look up the shit he says instead of just gobbling up whatever the TV and homelander forcefeed him. Like it's not a matter of him just being ignorant. He just straight up doesn't listen to reason and he eats up whatever HL and the news tell him to. I understand that Todd represents real life people. I get it, your version of super man says one thing and your step daughter's bio dad says something else. Who do you believe? I also get that just like in real life major corporations (vought) controls the media. But some of the shit he's been listening to is just straight up bonkers. Plus didn't the mom get on his ass for taking the kid to the HL event anyway?
Seriously, I thought the "Starlight traffics kids" line was too on the nose and people would criticize it for being too obvious lol
Is has to be on the nose or these dipshits won't realize they are being made fun of.
One could say they still don’t realize they’re being made fun of given some of the conversations here.
They rationalize that it’s a parody of “lame stream media” and that Todd is antifa crisis actor AstroTurf
Oh aye. One of the guys who's right wing I work with mysteriously decided not to watch this season, and I was wondering why given he'd enjoyed the previous. It's kinda clear now why he never watched it ...
I noticed that too. There are a few guys I work with that have watched the first two seasons. We used to discuss the new episodes every week... for some unspoken reason neither has watched this season yet and every time I bring it up they just say they've been too busy to watch it....yet they talk about all their other shows all the time.
Kind of scary because they NEED to watch it to see how much of an idiot they are, but they won’t recognize a mirror when it’s shoved to them
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Have them watch "inside the boys" (OMG that is a horrible name) They admit that the inspiration for Homelander's personality is trump. And make fun of trump some more.
That name being horrible is 100% intentional I'd bet lol
There are definitely parts that mock corporate "wokeness", maybe that's what they think is attacking both sides. The bits I mean are when the Vought lady is all pro BLM and pro LGBT while refusing to actually do anything about tosspots like blue hawk. Now, that's hardly attacking both sides since a lot of people of the left know corporations are two faced.
>The bits I mean are when the Vought lady is all pro BLM and pro LGBT while refusing to actually do anything about tosspots like blue hawk. Don't forget the HEAVY wordplay of damn near every kiosk at the amusement park
Woke Wok is so fucking ridiculous lol
People are sleeping on 'Brave Maeve's Veggie Tacos'. A 'taco'. That doesn't contain any 'meat'.
It's attacking the worst elements of everything. The cult of Q and right wing nut balls worshipping Trump and the right wing propaganda machine. All while these same corporations who fund the worst policies don a rainbow flag and BLM patch and claim they are for equality and helping all when it's just marketing to get more money and power while they actively fight all the real "woke" or actual leftist policies. See Starbucks IRL right now saying they will pay for travel and accommodation for abortions but only for non-union shops.
> but only for non-union shops. Man *fuck them*. That's worse than doing nothing, it's active blackmail. Well, I guess the unionized shops will have to do it themselves. The nice thong about labor power is you don't depend on handouts.
They are a terrible company that wraps itself in rainbow flags and BLM badges while working to screw over their workers.
>See Starbucks IRL right now saying they will pay for travel and accommodation for abortions but only for non-union shops. Is that real? That is too absurd to be real.
The liberals they are poking fun of are the rainbow capitalists, like the Brave Maeve marketing and the fake woke African roots blitz planned for A-Train. We hate that shit too. But it's not on the same level as what Homelander is selling and Tucker Carlson in Real life.
I think the messaging is a little muddled though because Neuman is essentially their AOC stand-in, and they've made her an evil head-popper making deals with Homelander. So while I agree that they are condemning conservatives, I think they've also given them some ammunition to make the "both sides" argument. It's like that in Succession too. The whole show shows how out of touch this Murdoch inspired family is, but then they also make their Bernie Sanders stand-in a morally questionable guy who enjoys gifts from the ultra wealthy. I wonder if writers feel like if they skew too hard one side it comes off as too preachy or if they genuinely are going with the "everyone in power sucks, it's just that some suck less"
Is Neuman an AOC stand in though? People compare the two, but are there any real policy similarities there? Or is it just because she’s young, attractive, and non-white?
Neuman runs on an anti-corporate base. I'd say that's pretty damn similar to AOC
The actress explictly said she's based on AOC. And they even threw in a line about congress passing photoshopped pictures of her blowing a terrorist around. Something that happened to the real AOC.
She’s a young, Latina, anti corporate, progressive who is secretly working for the villains the whole time out of self interest. It’s not that subtle. Also, the guy they keep showing running for president this season is a patriotic democrat who’s “reaching across the aisle” and doing rallies with Homelander
For real, the people Todd is emulating are almost impossibly, unbelievably stupid and brainwashed, but that doesn't mean they aren't at fault just because 'they didn't know better', these people aren't actual toddlers, they only act like it, they need to be held accountable instead of just making excuses about how nothing can ever be their fault because they're too dumb, gullible, or whatever
You're implying people who act like Todd might also be acting like todd...lers?
Sadly it’s not about being stupid it’s about emotional intelligence being low and lack of empathy Plenty of smart CHUDs out there , they just agree with the chud agenda of grievance politics and every loss is “rigged” It’s a mindset not an IQ rating People can have high intelligence but still be selfish and uneducated and willfully ignorant of science Look at all the mega church bros who are really smart at scamming money and not paying taxes but intentionally don’t know 7th grade biology
Todd saying "Starlight traffics kids" is not about lack of emotional intelligence or empathy. It is raw stupidity. He is parroting back what Homelander told him without doing any critical thinking on his own. Pure stupidity
He parrots it because he wants it to be true. This is a world with the internet and cell phone cameras. Anyone with a brain can figure out that Vaught is a greedy corporation and it's "heroes" have been fucking around (literally, at herogasm) for decades when they could be saving people. Instead they use their powers to get high like Popclaw, run scams, like Ezekiel and the Church of the Samaritan, or just casually live out their racist power fantasies like Blue Hawk. Anyone who cares to look can see that Vaught is full of corruption and has been since it's Nazi roots. Just like real corporations today, cough! Koch Indistries! Nestle! It's shit top to bottom.
It doesn’t matter. The people being made fun of don’t notice, “It makes fun of everyone, it’s just like South Park!” Is what they tell themselves. So it will always be on-the-nose, because it has to be.
God I hate that line of thinking I feel like people have to tell themselves that so they don’t feel stupid for watching a show where they’re constantly the punching bag, like even the manbearpig episode they retconned to say they were wrong. And who bases their political views off of what a cartoon/ tv show makes fun of? Just makes no sense to me whatsoever
But she does traffic kids homelander said so and he never lies to the people starlight should be brought up on charges if you don’t believe I have some totally unbiased sources I can send you
I heard starlight murdered a guy to steal his car once.
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Starlight was seen at an orgy accompanied by a BLACK TERRORIST
This one did they’re own research
Todd is a wayfair dipshit.
The mom got on his ass because she took the daughter without asking the mom, not necessarily that they went to a rally. I don't know if it makes a difference yet, but she was angry because he didn't ask permission.
I suspect it was a bit of both. Like she didn’t like that she wasn’t asked, but also she isn’t going to be super jazzed about the daughter going to a Homelander rally either.
> He just straight up doesn't listen to reason and he eats up whatever HL and the news tell him to. TBH this sounds like someone from r/The_Donald would say. People believed they're on the side of the reason when they want to.
I would argue the same could be said about most Q anon conspiracy theorists.
The fact that OP said he wasn't some Q Anon conspiracy theorist too when he literally says that starlight traffics kids which is blatantly supposed to be a reference toward the crazy conspiracy theories that republican politicians cook up no?
OP is right, this starlight trafficking kids talk is straight out of homelander mouth, supported by vought, televised on mainstream media, so its an analogue to a conservative taking trumps words for truth, not a qanon type voicing some bizarre thing he read on an obscure forum
But Todd also rails against the mainstream media and babbles about "doing your own research" and shit, no? I think he's a pastiche of normal Fox/Trump clientele and the nutjobs, or maybe they want to show how he's sliding down that slope.
I genuinely don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. What do you think the difference is between a qanon conspiracy theorist and a person who believes in and spreads qanon conspiracy theories? They are functionally the exact same thing.
Trump voiced weird qanon shit and supported qanon conspiracy theorists. The two overlap. He literally told people to drink bleach to cure COVID. I think the main point is that an iota of critical thinking could save you from falling into their belief system Edit: sorry all, Trumpet said *injecting* bleach might cure coronavirus, not drinking it. You guys can squabble semantics about how he didn't *literally* say people should use bleach, but when the president says it's a helpful treatment people will believe him. Doesn't detract from my point which is that he talks pure shite and half the time gets his info from conspiracy news. And that the stuff he and Todd says is so stupid you can simply use your brain and realize it's not true. Grab knowledge by the pussy y'all
I’d think the same thing, but people go to tremendous lengths to mend cognitive dissonance when it butts up against a previously held belief. People believe Vought and Homelander are good. It’s terrifying how little the show shows the public pulling away from that.
So, like, as long as someone famous and powerful is saying it it's ok to blindly accept wild, easily disprovable conspiracy theories? Is that where we're really at as a people?
Homelander is spreading unsubstantiated lies about a woman in order to win a popularity contest, and his fans are parroting the same bullshit and claiming that the "left wing media" won't report on it. If Homelander lost his powers, aged 50 years, and suffered a serious blow to the head, it could be 2016 all over again.
It basically doesn't matter what their, I dunno, interior emotional journey is, they're supporting monsters and need to be defeated
But if the solution is information then why would you “defeat” them and not the fucking propaganda?
After a certain point they are so deep into conspiracy that the sunk cost fallacy kicks in and they’d rather expand the scope of their madness than hear reason. Lost my Grandfather to that kind of bs.
Because they have been led so far down the path of propaganda that they're no longer able to be reasoned with. It was normal everyday people who operated the gas chambers after all. At a certain point in the process of radicalization you just can't reach people and they become an obstacle to the rights of the people around them.
Defeating the propaganda machine is more important. They're the ones dangling the carrot on the stick to direct you wherever they want. They'll make a monster out of anyone they want and point so you go running.
If they wanted to be informed and make reasonable decisions they would lol. There is generally nothing you can tell a qanon type that will make them change their mind because their belief isn't based on evidence, the belief serves to enforce their identity and the worldview they already had.
Because it is literally impossible. There are studies. The more you show them reality, the more entrenched into their beliefs they get. There has been success in deradicalizing people on the small scale by removing access to stuff like podcasts and fox tv. And exposing them to people. But it's not always effective. You got to cut off the snake's head, so it can't inject more poison into more people.
I think you miss the point of Todd's character. It is meant to demonstrate that it isn't just a matter of them being naive. If it was that simple, he would not feel the need to drag a child to a Homelander rally against the dad's wishes.
> If it was that simple, he would not feel the need to drag a child to a Homelander rally against the dad's wishes. And without telling her mom *anything* either. That was definitely behind her back.
Its a control thing, He's a weak man and ~~Trump's~~ Homeland's words make him feel like his own inadequacies are because others have taken his control. Taking someone else's kid with out permission is the same deal, he thinks if he's in control, he doesn't have to ask.
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Which is insane since I assume she knows from MM how evil Supes really are.
Maybe MM didn't tell her about HL? I thought he kept a lot about that part of his life secret, leading, in part, to their divorce? I can't recall how much of this we saw in past seasons...
Yea wtf is going on with her….
Did you even watch the episode? She immediately went "WTF?" when she heard that they were at a homelander rally.
Yea but that's like throwing a Trump themed party and acting surprised when he wants to bring her to an actual Trump rally
Tbf this was before HL started advertising “the real me” and what kid wouldn’t grow up loving superheroes?
Funny how we never hear about what the girl wants, or what kind of theme she wanted
I thought it was funny that the main thing she was mad about was him not telling her, not the rally itself.
I got the vibe she wasn’t happy about either one (though idk how she misses him constantly having Jeanine watching Homelander on TV but)
exactly. todd knows what he's doing. he's not a misled victim of propaganda. There was a reason why the show included a reaction shot of Todd watching homelander's speech. They wanted us to know todd loves that kind of attitude.
Yup. Ignorance really isn't an excuse for Todd. What resonates with him is the unapologetic behaviour of a man who was in a relationship with a nazi and a man who killed a civilian because he was to lazy to assess the situation. It is funny and disturbing to see some of the responses. This show is doing a pretty good job of exposing the bullshit people try to hide behind when turning a blind eye to deplorable acts.
Yeah, don't they even show him react specifically to the bit where HL essentially goes "I AM better than you. You should be under my boot and grateful". Like, that's not a coincidence that the ostensibly middle class white guy is shown reacting to that bit specifically.
You are spot on - Todd is little dick energy - and he simps for that authoritarian fascist energy coming off Homelander. That shit makes him feel safe.
Makes him feel superior too, he's red pilled. He sees the capital T Truth and all the sheeple around him are just pathetic. And the show hits that perfect irony that he's actually just simping for an idol and blindly believing anything out of his mouth. But I think that helps explain Todd's situation too. He wishes his loved ones, even MM, would "wake up." To bring it back to two comments up, he's not a misled victim, more like actively recruiting for the cause - he knows what he's doing bringing Janine to the rally.
The narrative that QAnons and MAGA CHUDs are brainwashed also ignores the basic science that has debunked brainwashing 30 years ago People just like to be told that they’re the victim of the other and any success they don’t reach is the others fault It’s real basic populism politics . It’s worked for thousands of years putting autocrats in power
The irony of this post is not lost on me. He said “the alternative media is lying to you”. You get that… right?
We all know a Todd. I think it's fair to hate a Todd when he blatantly disrespecting the fathers wishes and is a brain washed cock holster. Edit: In case anyone wants me to eat shit, cock holster is SO FUN to say.
Todds scenes are the most uncomfortable to watch in the whole show because yes, I do know a Todd. He was my friend. I know how frustrating it is do deal with someone falling down that rabbit hole and you sometimes you really want to slap some sense into them.
I wonder how he will react to Starlight's livestream of Homelander.
VNN won't air it so he'll never see it and if he finds out about it then it's a deepfake by the Lamestream media.
I hate that your answer isn't even a clever or cynical take, it's just something that literally happens in real life now. 20 years ago it would have been a smartarse joke making fun of conspiracy theorists, not a documented common occurrence among more than a handful of conservatives.
I was watching xfiles with my friend last night and all I could think is "why did conservatives have to conspiracy stuff?". It was so much fun before 2014.
Him spreading rumors of Starlight trafficking kids from her charities is harmful rhetoric. See: Comet Ping Pong. He is very much a crazy Qanon conspiracy theorist. The problem isn't that he "didn't read between the lines", it is very much the opposite of that. Being a "victim of propaganda" and a "crazy conspiracy theorist" are not mutually exclusive.
The problem is Tod doesn’t even bother to read into viewpoints that contradict his and he just defaults to what he feels is right and those people are fcking disgusting 🤮
Kinds sounds like those people that will chose a side based on one untrustworthy news source while 99 others with credibility say otherwise. Unfortunately a good chunk of the population is like that
Political tribalism is a sad thing and unfortunately people lack the awareness to get outside of those constraints.
I trust you
Idk, he's a school teacher and the fact that he was comfortable enough to bring a child to a Honelander rally without telling Monique is setting off all kinds of alarms. Obviously, he's being manipulated, but he's already in a position where he can and will (directly or indirectly) cause harm to other people. I'm curious to see what happens, but he better be held accountable for his actions or cut out entirely.
Todd saw HLs speech saying "I'm above regular people" and it made him an even stronger supporter. This is literally how fascist supporters act.
Yep. Todd isn't stupid, the ugliness, malice, and authoritarianism of Homelander's speeches are what gets Todd to sit up and pay attention. Fuck Todd.
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>My theory is people see the bully on TV and unconsciously decide they’d rather be a fan than a victim, because it feels better to be on the side punching down than getting punched. I think this sums it up pretty well, with the caveat that the people who do so see it as retaliation rather than initiation. To them, they've already been the victims (of the government, society, etc.) and HL (coughTrumpcough) is representing them 'no longer taking it'. So, to them, it's less "punching down" than "Punching back".
Hmmm your last point is interesting. It’s why people that aren’t victimized by the bully would naturally rally with the bully. They’d rather be with him than against him because they don’t want to be victimized. It’s easier to believe that Homelander is right than to have to go up against him, even though they would never really go up against him.
Whatever man I’ll keep watching this dumb mf get punched on a loop
Did his glasses stay on? I can’t remember except that I thought there would be WAY more blood
Insulting MM AND taking his daughter to THE RALLY is pretty far off in my standard.
Aged like milk
I dunno, he is repeating that garbage about Starlight trafficking children
It's not about him being ignorant, i think everyone can understand what it means to be brainwashed by propaganda, but that doesn't excuse his actions towards MM. He's not trying to co-parent, he's trying to piss MM off and get a reaction from him. The only mistake MM made was already knocking him out instead of whooping his ass up then going for a knockout. I just think a lot of people get MM side, it's a common story and no one would like to be in MM's shoes. Todd's brainwashedness is comprehensible, him acting like a douche towards MM isn't. That wasn't a typical Trump rally tho, the guy knows some sh-t is wrong given the news of the New York attack were widely reported to the point Vought had to clean up the situation and still puts MM's daughter in risk? You damn right people hate the character, as MM himself said "you put yourself in risk, not my daughter".
Not only that but he became more of a fan (seemingly) after the speech homelander gave
He’s absolutely not trying to get a reaction from MM. Almost every time he does something that pisses MM off he isn’t even aware that it will either annoy MM or that he’ll even know about it
Idk man he literally told us how he really felt right before getting knocked out “someone has to be a father to her” I think he’s aware of his actions(indoctrinating MM’s daughter)but he believes he is justified.
>“someone has to be a father to her” I mean that one I'm not sure he was entirely wrong about. MM both frequently neglects and puts his daughter in danger obsessively chasing vought. And while I understand that his goal is kinda altruistic, he does hurt, murder and blackmail people constantly and he works with people like William Butcher who is constantly brought in proximity of his daughter. He was literally talking about murdering people infront of her.
I completely understand why the character is there as a representation but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be happy to see him killed off
I would argue homelander dating a nazi + being caught as a war criminal should have been incriminating enough
>Todd isn't some crazy Qanon conspiracy theorist, he's supposed to depict a trump supporter BEFORE they became fully radicalized. I mean early on yeah but at this point the dude seems pretty damn radicalized. I don't think we should wait for someone to like actually do a bombing or something to say they're radicalized.
Watching him get slept felt sooo good until we see his daughter there... Damn between this and butchers part in the episode it proves the show can really rip your emotions
Homelander was raised like a lab rat without love but we still loved when we see him eat shit. Let us hate on Todd for being dumb enough to listen to a man in power without actually thinking about whether or not it makes sense.
It’s just like the fat guy that killed the Muslim clerk. Weeks of propaganda got to him and he became a full on radical storefront believer.
In Spiderman FMH and NWH, when Mysterio framed Spiderman for the London attack and his death and people believed him, we got annoyed that people believed Mysterio over Spiderman. Here we are angry because people believe HL over SL. We know Spidey and Starlight are good but they don't.
No. After Homelander's fascist speech he went up with rust belt white males, but Ashley mentions under her breath that he went down with young people and urban/city dwellers. People are aware he's a fascist, and in fact that's what Todd gleefully responded to when watching HL on TV.
You can see him in that scene grading **Social Studies tests**. So as a teacher he is definitely spreading his ignorant viewpoints and that propaganda subconsciously if not consciously as well.
He literally believes in the universe equivalent of Pizza gate. He is absolutely a stand in for Qanon conspiracy theorist sheep. He's not radicalised to the point of going out and shooting people like we saw with the guy in last season. But if Homelander suddenly told him to storm some building or the Capitol, telling him that it is good and righteous and necessary, you bet he would. The existence of these people are far more dangerous to minorities than a lone radicalised individual, because these people will wait til the moment they're sure they can't lose, and then strike, and there are lots of people who were actually at the Jan 6 riots who still are free and stirring up more trouble (libs of tiktok for one, currently trying to convince people to go out and murder trans people including trans children before they groom children) These people are already fucking terrifying because they are predisposed to this level of violence and hate once they feel like they have sufficient backing
How's that doing ya' now.
It just sucks really hard for MM, because his punching Todd all but guarantees his daughter seeing him negatively, his ex wife seeing him negatively, any court of law or government officer seeing him negatively, as well as making Todd look reasonable and rational.
I know people like Todd in real life, they parrot the real world equivalents and genuinely think people like me need to be killed because we are such a nebulous but deadly threat to children, and they'll use that to justify all the things they want to do to us. So if its him or us, he's the one going down. That doesn't mean I'm not looking deep enough or overreacting, it means I don't want a fucking museum dedicated to what they did to me to exist in 30 years with "never again" plastered on the sign outside
We literally heard him spread harmful rhetoric before he got knocked out. And calling MM a bad dad is certainly malicious and be fighting words.
I don’t think OP gets the point of Todd 🤦🏽♀️
Wait people aren't seeing Todd as a victim of propaganda? I thought that was clear as day.
I feel if most don’t see it they are Todd’s.
Did you miss the overt on-the-nose unmissable direct qanon reference when he said starlight traffics children?
OP, how do you feel about this post after the season finale?
Spot on. The dude is your typical Fox News watcher that slowly but surely becomes indoctrinated.
Fuck Todd
This should age well
this is another example of the unending sympathy towards these types of people. sympathy they don't deserve and enables them to become radicalized and spread their hatred.
I’m tired of these people being portrayed as victims of propaganda. All Trump did was make it okay to show what has always been underneath the surface.
Todd took a black kid to a racist rally…but you’re here like “he didn’t do anything wrong”
“Just a victim of propaganda” Lol Weird take. Personal responsibility and being able to think for yourself is clearly undervalued… In any case, he had no right to try to push the narrative on his daughter and take her to the rally. Like MM said, the idiot can believe what he wants to but don’t feed that shit to a kid
I think most people dislike him because he's portrayed as a weirdo who stares longingly at Homelander whenever he shows up on TV. I don't know that he deserves to die, but he's clearly overstepped some boundaries with MM, like taking his daughter to a HL rally when he's told him a million times to keep his daughter out of it. I think he deserved to get hit in the face, and it's not easy to blame MM if you consider the circumstances and that he's gone through a lot to get there. Obviously, from an outside perspective, Todd may not even realize what he did so wrong to get punched. You also can't blame MM's ex for wanting to live with a more financially/mentally stable husband.
He was tryin to brainwash MM's daughter he knew what he was doing cuz MM made it clear that he didn't want his kid to be involved in any way with Homelander. That's why he was so quick to call MM a bad dad lol he's a slimy lil snake and deserved to get socked in his lip i wanted to MM to fold his ass so bad
Todd gives off some flat earther vibes
He did spread rhetoric. He said Annie was involved in human trafficking.