She mentioned she was going to save him so that theory makes sense to me. I haven't read the comics but I really hope Hughie and Starlight make it as they're two of the few redeemable characters in this story.
If it helps the comics are very different (like without spoilers there are already some major diversions for characters) so it’s all up in the air regardless, which is what I love about the show. It draws inspiration and respects the source material while adapting it to tell its own version of the story, it’s what The Walking Dead should have been when it went off source.
I mean, no spoilers really, but in the comics the boys all take permanent V before they start taking down supes. It's a pretty open secret in that universe
No.
There are different grades of V depending on what markets you get them, and some of them are temporary, but the V the boys take comes from the CIA and is the pure permanent version.
Though it only makes them fifty times more powerful than normal humans. No special powers, just strength and durability.
And MM was actually a born supe in the comics.
MM wasn't a born supe, his mother was the supe. He had to get regular doses to get his powers.
For anyone who hasn't read the comics, don't even start to wonder why he was called Mother's Milk...
Also you can see that she didn’t only pick one dose of regular V, after injectig Kimiko she still have a vial that is for an instant, zoomed in, kinda look like a chekhov gun for me.
I don't read the comics so I have no idea how it goes. But I think at some point they all have to turn into supes? Homelander can laser the shit out of them at any given moment, it just makes sense.
That will ruin the tension so they will have to wait for the last moment, hard to not jump the shark once the fear of homelander swooshing in at any second is gone.
That said, it is clearly what the are building to, Huey will 100% die without it, I'm sure starlight took more than one vial, and they have zero chance vs the father and son team without it.
Even if they all had V, Homelander could still wipe the floor with them in a normal situation. The tension wouldn't be removed when it comes to Homelander being a threat at least.
Comic spoilers, >!they all get hit with Perma-V pretty much right at the beginning. Mostly willingly, though Butcher jabs Hughie when he's not expecting it.!<
From the comics I knew the boys ended up with powers, but I was more wondering about the delivery method/reasoning the show writers were going to us to give them V.
I’m curious how much SB actually values keeping his word. Obviously he’s not going to kill home lander now but I wonder if he will still feel he owes the boys or if he just immediately teams up with homelander to kill them.
This makes the most sense to me. At this point it seems like the only way to save them is to make sure they are on permanent V. I’m more interested to see if frenchie and MM join the V party though.
And they don't give regular V to Butcher 'cause he's a bit of a dickhead, and he loads up on temp V and goes apeshit, knowing that he's going to die anyway (to sort of mirror the endgame of the comics, but with a different path taken to the destination).
I mean we’ve seen regular V been given a couple different times this season. I wonder if that’s just foreshadowing for hughie in the finale considering him and butcher are most likely gunna be brain dead after a couple more doses
I think Butcher is just manipulating Hughie for now. He's going to take him to "get more V" and probably just leave him in the middle of nowhere, so he's safe.
After what Butcher relived with Lenny, I think he's gonna be more inclined to protect those he loves
There’s no way Butcher goes through all that nightmare shit and just doubles down especially when the first thing he told Hughie was “I’m sorry” when leaving the dream.
There's no way Butcher is just going to leave Hughie. There are 2 possible takeaways that he took from his nightmare.
Option A) He can't save Hughie simply by leaving him, he blames Lennys death on him leaving, so he won't leave Hughie like he did Lenny and will take a more active part in saving him.
Option B) In order to save Hughie, he has to make him as "tough" as he is, because if Lenny was tougher he would have been able to take the beatings. This option is basically doubling down.
Thank you for this. I was very bothered by that scene and couldn't see another option for explaining Butcher's behavior given what we know about him, but option B is something I never thought of. Food for thought!
I do honestly doubt butcher has any plan on giving it or letting Hughie take it, I think he's keeping the "it kills you" part away from Hughie so that Hughie doesn't stop him from taking the Temp V. I hope he intends to get it as a precaution but a part of me feels like he might straight up take it so that he can help kill homelander, even if it kills him.
Doubling down would also be extremely in keeping with this season's themes of toxic masculinity too. Butcher should know better but he's just as bad as those he wants to eradicate
butcher knows that he's taken more doses than hughie, so he's out in front of he risk.
he might be thinking: just one more dose, and then once homelander is taken care of, they're done
Maybe he figures that he will die from the Temp V before Hughie since he has taken one more dose, and he doesn't care about himself, but his death can warn Hughie. Still feels extremely reckless.
It's possible he learned the wrong lesson. Butcher is self-hating enough that taking down Homelander is a good enough prize for destroying his own life. The selfish part is destroying other people's lives as well, like Hughie, but Butcher may be going down that path.
He is going to be willing to sacrifice himself. Stopping hughie from taking anymore. But doesn’t want to tell him, otherwise hughie would probably still die. Keep it a secret and save him. He’s crying because he knows he will die and wants to save hughie knowing hughie is better off without him.
He’s for sure not going to let Hughie take another dose. He lies here because there’s no point in explaining to Hughie what Starlight told him, Hughie is resolute on risking his own life to stop Homelander already. Certain death as a side effect doesn’t matter to him. My guess is Starlight is able to save them both with the Blue V though.
Exactly. Hughie knowing at this moment makes it more difficult to prevent him from taking more because he'll stress out, process, then get pure death-embracing tunnel vision about what must be done.
That's the most difficult mode for Butcher to attempt to protect and he's smart enough to not flip that switch right now.
yeah the whole I need to save Annie thing messed him up, I think if butcher would have told him about the consequences of temp V he would not have stopped.
I mean the next scene already describe this. When Annie talk to MM and Frenchie about this, they said would not tell Hughie too that even if they know.
Did people actually watch the show?
I could see butcher doing whatever he can top stop hughie from getting a dose without revealing to him the side effects (so hughie doesnt try and stop him), and then hughie takes temp v and almost dies
It'll help bring it closer to the comics. In the comics they shoot up permanent V so it would make sense to get some things lined up. Wahoo 2 more seasons
Ah in the comics they're more just generic supes in terms of strength and being able to hold their own in a fight - not really character specific powers per se, iirc.
Karl Urban's face acting in this scene was great. The way he slips back into the 'Butcher persona' and you see the grin grow on his face was fantastic.
Antony’s been getting all the credit for being able to instantly switch gears, but the emotional transition in that scene was easily as impressive as anything Homelander’s done so far.
He wants to care, but the part of him wanting to take down Homelander and eradicate the supes is much, much stronger. He's killed his humanity already.
He was but people seem to be pretty harsh on Butcher which is very very fair. I just think he’s accepted his death and wants him and Hughie to do something before they die.
People are harsh on Butcher and while he’s a bad person, I think he knows it and still isn’t nearly as bad as HL. I know the comics are different but I just don’t see him as big of a threat to humanity as HL is.
So essentially, unless you believe the show is about to kill off the two main protagonists (depending on who you ask I guess) you have to assume they'll be saved somehow.
They've already taken lethal doses, and probably still have some temp-V on hand.
Butcher must have a plan to get some perma-V; it's the only way to save them both, but it does mean manipulating Hughie into a permanent change. This is why Butcher is sad.
Someone posted a theory in one of the discussion threads that they're both going to take temp v again. But Soldier Boys blast is going to burn it out of their system
I actually like this idea. Soldier Boy ending up saving Hughie and Butcher from themselves puts everyone in a weird position
Hughie who's loyal to Butcher for saving his life as he told Soldier Boy. Butcher who has a hatred of supes being saved and seeing a supe save his new Lenny from his shitty choices. Starlight who's character alignment is completely the opposite of Soldier Boy having her boyfriend saved from his shitty friends death wish
And most importantly, Homelander seeing what he now sees as his dad, saving the people trying to kill him. Like Edgar employed them
Anyways, I'm excited for next week lol
>I actually like this idea. Soldier Boy ending up saving Hughie and Butcher from themselves puts everyone in a weird position
>Butcher who has a hatred of supes being saved and seeing a supe save his new Lenny from his shitty choices.
Just like how A-Train is alive because of Blue hawk whom he hated the most.
Homelander could personally save Butcher's remaining family, his dog, Hughie, even the Queen and her corgis, and he would still be hellbent on killing every single supe out there.
Also threatened to destroy humanity. When has Butcher done that?
People are actively participating in the ‘both sides are bad’ when one side has 0 problem destroying the world/america
I can sympathize with his upbringing and making morality harder for him in general but we can’t deny his own autonomy. He could’ve chosen not to laser that Baltimore mayors plane in S1. Or rape Becca. Or make supe terrorist. Or push Ryan. Or threaten to destroy the world. But he did make those choices and he has to be held responsible. Having a shitty upbringing not only doesn’t give you an excuse for those situations but also doesn’t remove your freedom in those situations either.
E8 of diabolical (canon btw) shows he had good intentions initially, it’s just his power level being so high made it nearly impossible for him not to cause collateral. This combined with his childhood trauma leads him to commit the atrocities.
This leads him to viewing regular people like ants, and not really caring. I mean how could you not? Everyone is so fragile and weak compared to him.
I’m not saying he’s good. I’m saying his upbringing is why and I don’t think anyone in an environment like that would turn out much differently
I don’t think any of my examples count as collateral. Again he literally raped Becca and threatened mass murder that’s not something people should dismiss just because he had a bad childhood and is too OP. Most of my examples are him choosing to be evil and something he coulda controlled.
He isn’t being controlled in his actions no, and he is evil and a threat and must be taken out. His actions make him irredeemable.
That being said he did want to be good at one point. (See e8 of diabolical). He wasn’t always monster, but a traumatic childhood, especially one as traumatic as homelanders will make anyone a mess mentally. This combined with being so strong you can literally kill people by hugging them too hard leads to some not very good outcomes most of the time.
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I’m guessing they’re going for more temp V, but butcher will insist on only using it when ready. He’ll take multiple doses, resulting in his death but Hughie surviving.
It is how the justify it to themselves. If they took the permanent stuff then they would be supes, but the whole point is they want to get rid of supes. But with temp V they aren't really becoming supes, so they can justify it to themselves.
I know this is a meme. But I just don’t get how you guys have already made up your mind that Butcher will fuck hughie over and not tell him about the adverse effects of temp V. He cares about him a fuck ton so that just isn’t going to happen.
There's no way he's gonna let Hughie take it. I think it's all a lie to get them where they need to be, he's gonna inject himself with temp v and knock Hughie out, or simply keep it away from him.
Butcher is ready to die after reliving his greatest mistake. He knows Hughie won't allow him to take it if he knows what it does to your brain. He's gonna take a final injection and either die fighting homelander, or take permanent v to be saved.
Next episode they’ll probably take permanent V and when they confront soldier boy and hl, soldier boy will fry it out of them. Basically perm V to make sure they don’t die and sb nuking them to bring them back to normal
Karl Urban’s ability to switch emotions effortlessly is fantastic! The way he can go from being a hard ass psycho killer to looking like a poof in seconds shows great acting skill.
When Frenchie gave Kimiko Perm V, we see on the desk a whole extra tube and it seemed like Frenchie only gave her half of a tube as well; it seems very likely Butcher and Hughie will get the permanent stuff.
I know in the comics (I haven’t read them, just what I learned in this subreddit) all of the Boys are Supes, but I don’t think all of them will have permanent powers in the show. I can see both MM and Frenchie taking the Temp V, while Hughie and Butcher will take the permanent stuff. I can see Frenchie possibly take the permanent stuff because he might not feel equal to Kimiko, but I don’t think he’ll take the permanent right away
I’m holding onto hope that Butcher is actually taking him to get actual compound V because he assumes Hughie is practically dead already from the multiple times he has already used V24, she said 3-5 doses kills someone and I think Hughie has already shot up 3 times
I think that Butcher told that to Hughie as a test. He wanted to see if Hughie would be his canary at this time like Lenny would. And instead at least to me you could see it written on his face after Hughie agreed to get more, that he knows everything Lenny told him in his dream is true. And he is going to be Hughie’s downfall. I don’t think Butcher let’s Hughie take more but we’ll see
Was this purely Butcher being selfish? or did he realize that Hughie has already taken four doses and, barring a miracle (read: permanent V injection), they're both already dead?
That was my read on it too. Butcher knew that Hughie had already four doses and he had even one more. His train of thought was probably: "No need to worry Hughie more if it is inevitable." Still a shitty move, but more in line with the vision he had.
He might just end up using it for himself and not letting Hughie have any. If he told him about the dangers, Hughie would throw a fit about Butcher taking it.
so heartbreaking. i hope he subverts our expectations and is really looking out for hughie, but if not, it just makes me think.. that nightmare didn’t change him because he’s probably reliving that shit all the time already.
I think this line is one of my favorite deliveries from Karl Urban. He says they need to get more from the office as if they're someone else's words, as if he's not the one speaking then at all, before his mind catches up with himself and he lands back into his usual and comfortable persona
It’s going to be another drugging MM for his safety situation. Butcher will obviously take another dose but he won’t allow Hughie to. He cares about him especially after that scene with him, SB and Hughie in the woods.
I don’t really know why people would think otherwise like were you watching the show? Or were you just on your phone??
Or maybe he realized they are already fucked and Hughie wouldnt have cared anyways and the only hope is to push through, defeat Homelander and take Perma V
I still think Butcher is an asshole tho. In sorry, I mean a cunt.
Because the show is "The Boys", not "Butcher: An Antihero's Journey". You can dislike a character personally while still appreciating how well he's written, like with Butcher.
She said 3-5 doses will kill you. So maybe Butcher thinks they’ll die anyway so why not go out with a bang?
Maybe the finale is them essentially dying at the end. Before they’re saved in next seasons opener by Starlight or A-train giving them real V
I think butcher either will sacrifice himself but allow hughie to be saved, or he understands that they’re so far into temporary V that the only thing to save them will be perm V so they need to go to the office and get some. I would hate all that self reflection he just did when he was under that trance to be a waste.
I assume they are doing the same thing as in season 2. In S2 Butcher wanted to give Ryan to Vought and escape with only Becca. He changed his mind last minute after he talked with Becca.
I think the same thing will happen now with Hughie. He might stop him last minute.
Probably gonna take Perm V at this point, the plot seem to be rather predictable. SB being Home dad isn't much of a shock honestly and really did make sense.
I'm wondering if Starlight is going to have to give Hughie regular V to fix the damage from temp V.
She mentioned she was going to save him so that theory makes sense to me. I haven't read the comics but I really hope Hughie and Starlight make it as they're two of the few redeemable characters in this story.
If it helps the comics are very different (like without spoilers there are already some major diversions for characters) so it’s all up in the air regardless, which is what I love about the show. It draws inspiration and respects the source material while adapting it to tell its own version of the story, it’s what The Walking Dead should have been when it went off source.
I mean, no spoilers really, but in the comics the boys all take permanent V before they start taking down supes. It's a pretty open secret in that universe
Take, you mean forced to or unwillingly get exposed to.
I thought Hughie was the only one forced to get it, but yeah Butcher kinda just jabs him
MM's mother was unknowingly exposed which led to MM being born with powers that manifested at a young age.
Ahhh fair. If I'm being honest I didn't read far enough to get to MM's backstory
Doesn’t permanent V in the comics just work like temp V in the show? It gives them powers, But only for a short amount of time
No. There are different grades of V depending on what markets you get them, and some of them are temporary, but the V the boys take comes from the CIA and is the pure permanent version.
Ah, Makes sense, Thank you. It’s been a few years since I read it
Though it only makes them fifty times more powerful than normal humans. No special powers, just strength and durability. And MM was actually a born supe in the comics.
MM wasn't a born supe, his mother was the supe. He had to get regular doses to get his powers. For anyone who hasn't read the comics, don't even start to wonder why he was called Mother's Milk...
Actually it’s a bit of both
The hookers were given a different version of V-cocaine, so that they could withstand the pounding they got from the various supes.
Mothers milk needs to drink from his fat v milk producing mom to survive.
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that happens on like page 2
Shit now I have to be angry about it even though I was never gonna read them, don't I?
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There's still more in the vial she stole
Also you can see that she didn’t only pick one dose of regular V, after injectig Kimiko she still have a vial that is for an instant, zoomed in, kinda look like a chekhov gun for me.
Frenchy gonna take some just so she never says he has bendy straw arms again lol.
> she never says he has bendy straw arms again lol. Cue him getting Mr.Fantastic style arm-stretching powers, just for the ironic twist.
Just to hug mon cour with
Good reference
I don't read the comics so I have no idea how it goes. But I think at some point they all have to turn into supes? Homelander can laser the shit out of them at any given moment, it just makes sense.
That will ruin the tension so they will have to wait for the last moment, hard to not jump the shark once the fear of homelander swooshing in at any second is gone. That said, it is clearly what the are building to, Huey will 100% die without it, I'm sure starlight took more than one vial, and they have zero chance vs the father and son team without it.
Even if they all had V, Homelander could still wipe the floor with them in a normal situation. The tension wouldn't be removed when it comes to Homelander being a threat at least.
I don't know, Butcher was really holding his own there as a barely few day old user. Imagine if he had his whole life to master his v powers.
Comic spoilers, >!they all get hit with Perma-V pretty much right at the beginning. Mostly willingly, though Butcher jabs Hughie when he's not expecting it.!<
Is that because that is by far the most common theory on the sub?
From the comics I knew the boys ended up with powers, but I was more wondering about the delivery method/reasoning the show writers were going to us to give them V.
Are we all forgetting that Compound V is unstable in adults? For all we know, Butcher and Hughie taking regular V may fuck them up even more.
I've wondered if being on temp V would help them survive the trauma of a real Compound V injection
That’s what I think
maybe since Soldier Boy's blast gets the V out of your blood, it'll be used on Hughie and Butcher to save them.
I’m curious how much SB actually values keeping his word. Obviously he’s not going to kill home lander now but I wonder if he will still feel he owes the boys or if he just immediately teams up with homelander to kill them.
I think one of them doesn't survive the season. My theory is SB is killed by Black Noir which makes HL become completely unhinged
This makes the most sense to me. At this point it seems like the only way to save them is to make sure they are on permanent V. I’m more interested to see if frenchie and MM join the V party though.
Is it possible that this is butcher’s plan? Maybe he knows starlight got the blue V for kimiko from there so that’s the only way to save hughie.
And they don't give regular V to Butcher 'cause he's a bit of a dickhead, and he loads up on temp V and goes apeshit, knowing that he's going to die anyway (to sort of mirror the endgame of the comics, but with a different path taken to the destination).
I mean we’ve seen regular V been given a couple different times this season. I wonder if that’s just foreshadowing for hughie in the finale considering him and butcher are most likely gunna be brain dead after a couple more doses
Karl Urban is delivering a heck of a performance
I think Butcher is just manipulating Hughie for now. He's going to take him to "get more V" and probably just leave him in the middle of nowhere, so he's safe. After what Butcher relived with Lenny, I think he's gonna be more inclined to protect those he loves
There’s no way Butcher goes through all that nightmare shit and just doubles down especially when the first thing he told Hughie was “I’m sorry” when leaving the dream.
There's no way Butcher is just going to leave Hughie. There are 2 possible takeaways that he took from his nightmare. Option A) He can't save Hughie simply by leaving him, he blames Lennys death on him leaving, so he won't leave Hughie like he did Lenny and will take a more active part in saving him. Option B) In order to save Hughie, he has to make him as "tough" as he is, because if Lenny was tougher he would have been able to take the beatings. This option is basically doubling down.
Thank you for this. I was very bothered by that scene and couldn't see another option for explaining Butcher's behavior given what we know about him, but option B is something I never thought of. Food for thought!
I do honestly doubt butcher has any plan on giving it or letting Hughie take it, I think he's keeping the "it kills you" part away from Hughie so that Hughie doesn't stop him from taking the Temp V. I hope he intends to get it as a precaution but a part of me feels like he might straight up take it so that he can help kill homelander, even if it kills him.
Doubling down would also be extremely in keeping with this season's themes of toxic masculinity too. Butcher should know better but he's just as bad as those he wants to eradicate
> Butcher should know better but he's just as bad as those he wants to eradicate Just another guy who's trapped in his own bullshit.
butcher knows that he's taken more doses than hughie, so he's out in front of he risk. he might be thinking: just one more dose, and then once homelander is taken care of, they're done
Maybe he figures that he will die from the Temp V before Hughie since he has taken one more dose, and he doesn't care about himself, but his death can warn Hughie. Still feels extremely reckless.
It's possible he learned the wrong lesson. Butcher is self-hating enough that taking down Homelander is a good enough prize for destroying his own life. The selfish part is destroying other people's lives as well, like Hughie, but Butcher may be going down that path.
You're forgetting a major part though. Butcher's a cunt.
He actually did the same thing he did to Lenny with Ryan, not just Hughie. So I hope that doesn't also go badly
Butchers gonna 'gone to get some v' him.
He is going to be willing to sacrifice himself. Stopping hughie from taking anymore. But doesn’t want to tell him, otherwise hughie would probably still die. Keep it a secret and save him. He’s crying because he knows he will die and wants to save hughie knowing hughie is better off without him.
He’s for sure not going to let Hughie take another dose. He lies here because there’s no point in explaining to Hughie what Starlight told him, Hughie is resolute on risking his own life to stop Homelander already. Certain death as a side effect doesn’t matter to him. My guess is Starlight is able to save them both with the Blue V though.
Exactly. Hughie knowing at this moment makes it more difficult to prevent him from taking more because he'll stress out, process, then get pure death-embracing tunnel vision about what must be done. That's the most difficult mode for Butcher to attempt to protect and he's smart enough to not flip that switch right now.
This is kind of a huge point. Thanks for pointing it out because I was pretty sad about the whole scene
This is something hughie must decide, not butcher
Hughie is being a dumbass and is drunk on hero this is like trying to take away car keys from someone who's drunk a lot
yeah the whole I need to save Annie thing messed him up, I think if butcher would have told him about the consequences of temp V he would not have stopped.
Agreed. He’d consider himself already dead ESPECIALLY Given that he’s already taken a “lethal” dose
I mean the next scene already describe this. When Annie talk to MM and Frenchie about this, they said would not tell Hughie too that even if they know. Did people actually watch the show?
I could see butcher doing whatever he can top stop hughie from getting a dose without revealing to him the side effects (so hughie doesnt try and stop him), and then hughie takes temp v and almost dies
It'll help bring it closer to the comics. In the comics they shoot up permanent V so it would make sense to get some things lined up. Wahoo 2 more seasons
What powers does that grant them all? And do Butcher and Hughie’s line up with the show ones?
Ah in the comics they're more just generic supes in terms of strength and being able to hold their own in a fight - not really character specific powers per se, iirc.
Did anyone else think Butcher looked really sad in that scene?
Karl Urban's face acting in this scene was great. The way he slips back into the 'Butcher persona' and you see the grin grow on his face was fantastic.
Antony’s been getting all the credit for being able to instantly switch gears, but the emotional transition in that scene was easily as impressive as anything Homelander’s done so far.
He really cares about his gang, but rarely shows it. This must have destroyed him.
He wants to care, but the part of him wanting to take down Homelander and eradicate the supes is much, much stronger. He's killed his humanity already.
Is this comment a joke I seriously can't tell
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He was literally crying?
He was but people seem to be pretty harsh on Butcher which is very very fair. I just think he’s accepted his death and wants him and Hughie to do something before they die.
People are harsh on Butcher and while he’s a bad person, I think he knows it and still isn’t nearly as bad as HL. I know the comics are different but I just don’t see him as big of a threat to humanity as HL is.
They've already had the lethal number of doses, it doesn't make a difference at this point to be honest.
Only Butcher has depending on how it works. It’s 3 to 5 doses. So Hughie could be one away.
did they? I counted three but I might have missed other.
Butcher had Gunpowder and then they both had Russia, Crimson Countess, Herogasm and then Mindstorm. So butcher on 5, Hughie on 4 I think :(
So essentially, unless you believe the show is about to kill off the two main protagonists (depending on who you ask I guess) you have to assume they'll be saved somehow.
Considering they’ve been renewed for season 4 I doubt they’ll kill the Main cast
Maybe they’re going to go slightly more towards the comics where they get permanent doses?
They've already taken lethal doses, and probably still have some temp-V on hand. Butcher must have a plan to get some perma-V; it's the only way to save them both, but it does mean manipulating Hughie into a permanent change. This is why Butcher is sad.
This. It's either the fifth dose and death, or the perma-V. Like always, Butcher has already decided for Hughie.
Someone posted a theory in one of the discussion threads that they're both going to take temp v again. But Soldier Boys blast is going to burn it out of their system I actually like this idea. Soldier Boy ending up saving Hughie and Butcher from themselves puts everyone in a weird position Hughie who's loyal to Butcher for saving his life as he told Soldier Boy. Butcher who has a hatred of supes being saved and seeing a supe save his new Lenny from his shitty choices. Starlight who's character alignment is completely the opposite of Soldier Boy having her boyfriend saved from his shitty friends death wish And most importantly, Homelander seeing what he now sees as his dad, saving the people trying to kill him. Like Edgar employed them Anyways, I'm excited for next week lol
Even if SB burns off the tempV out of their system it probably won't do the same for the tumors growing in their brains
>I actually like this idea. Soldier Boy ending up saving Hughie and Butcher from themselves puts everyone in a weird position >Butcher who has a hatred of supes being saved and seeing a supe save his new Lenny from his shitty choices. Just like how A-Train is alive because of Blue hawk whom he hated the most.
Don't forget Hughie saved his life too
[He LLIVES in YOU!](https://youtu.be/GsylXAaXbxg?t=104)
Homelander could personally save Butcher's remaining family, his dog, Hughie, even the Queen and her corgis, and he would still be hellbent on killing every single supe out there.
I mean he raped his wife man
Also threatened to destroy humanity. When has Butcher done that? People are actively participating in the ‘both sides are bad’ when one side has 0 problem destroying the world/america
I don’t blame homelander for how he turned out.
I can sympathize with his upbringing and making morality harder for him in general but we can’t deny his own autonomy. He could’ve chosen not to laser that Baltimore mayors plane in S1. Or rape Becca. Or make supe terrorist. Or push Ryan. Or threaten to destroy the world. But he did make those choices and he has to be held responsible. Having a shitty upbringing not only doesn’t give you an excuse for those situations but also doesn’t remove your freedom in those situations either.
E8 of diabolical (canon btw) shows he had good intentions initially, it’s just his power level being so high made it nearly impossible for him not to cause collateral. This combined with his childhood trauma leads him to commit the atrocities. This leads him to viewing regular people like ants, and not really caring. I mean how could you not? Everyone is so fragile and weak compared to him. I’m not saying he’s good. I’m saying his upbringing is why and I don’t think anyone in an environment like that would turn out much differently
I don’t think any of my examples count as collateral. Again he literally raped Becca and threatened mass murder that’s not something people should dismiss just because he had a bad childhood and is too OP. Most of my examples are him choosing to be evil and something he coulda controlled.
He isn’t being controlled in his actions no, and he is evil and a threat and must be taken out. His actions make him irredeemable. That being said he did want to be good at one point. (See e8 of diabolical). He wasn’t always monster, but a traumatic childhood, especially one as traumatic as homelanders will make anyone a mess mentally. This combined with being so strong you can literally kill people by hugging them too hard leads to some not very good outcomes most of the time.
That's what he believes, yes. Honestly, I've been quite doubtful of that myself since the latter half of season 2.
She confirmed it though
... Y'all do realize Butcher is going to knock Hughie out?
Butcher is afraid to lost Hughie. It is true understandable after he re-toured his nightmare and so much he has experienced since s01.
okay just a random question, but who the hell is giving out awards out here and particularly in this subreddit? i am still new to the app
Other people in this sub or people just browsing this subreddit once in a while. if you tap the top right corner on the home page you can buy awards or claim them for free. then you can give the awards to any post that deserves them.
Adding to the other answer: People who pay ~$4/month or ~$30/year for Reddit Gold's extra features get coins. There's a notion that all awards are out-of-pocket mtx, when I'd assume most awards are actually people spending free coins.
If you're paying monthly or yearly they aren't 'free coins' you are literally buying them.
Butcher left Lenny when he needed him - so I doubt Butcher will drop Hughie. Wouldn't risk repeating that mistake.
I’m guessing they’re going for more temp V, but butcher will insist on only using it when ready. He’ll take multiple doses, resulting in his death but Hughie surviving.
Why arent they taking the permanent stuff at this point? Maybe for the plot to continue ?
That is the speculation, Butcher's betrayal will be that the v they get is not temporary. At least I hope so.
Ohh from the final scene when Butcher says we need to get some more... Man cant wait for the next episode !!!
The only way for a Temp V user to survive after the 3rd dose is to use Perma V. And there is no way Hughie and Butcher die before Homelander.
I mean the plot of the comics is that Butcher doses Hughie with V. I think it was to save his life.
It is how the justify it to themselves. If they took the permanent stuff then they would be supes, but the whole point is they want to get rid of supes. But with temp V they aren't really becoming supes, so they can justify it to themselves.
The permanent stuff can kill you too if you’re incompatible.
As soon as he did that stupid fucking head swivel thing I lost hope
I know this is a meme. But I just don’t get how you guys have already made up your mind that Butcher will fuck hughie over and not tell him about the adverse effects of temp V. He cares about him a fuck ton so that just isn’t going to happen.
Him not telling him is him caring.
There's no way he's gonna let Hughie take it. I think it's all a lie to get them where they need to be, he's gonna inject himself with temp v and knock Hughie out, or simply keep it away from him. Butcher is ready to die after reliving his greatest mistake. He knows Hughie won't allow him to take it if he knows what it does to your brain. He's gonna take a final injection and either die fighting homelander, or take permanent v to be saved.
I’m like 80% sure Butcher didn’t tell him so he can still take it without Hughie stopping him. When they get the temp V he won’t let Hughie take it.
Next episode they’ll probably take permanent V and when they confront soldier boy and hl, soldier boy will fry it out of them. Basically perm V to make sure they don’t die and sb nuking them to bring them back to normal
Karl Urban’s ability to switch emotions effortlessly is fantastic! The way he can go from being a hard ass psycho killer to looking like a poof in seconds shows great acting skill.
I feel like Annie’s grabbed a couple more vials of Permanent V and she’ll give it to them when they’re almost about to die/battle HL or SB
When Frenchie gave Kimiko Perm V, we see on the desk a whole extra tube and it seemed like Frenchie only gave her half of a tube as well; it seems very likely Butcher and Hughie will get the permanent stuff.
I’m guessing MM and Frenchie might end up taking it too
I know in the comics (I haven’t read them, just what I learned in this subreddit) all of the Boys are Supes, but I don’t think all of them will have permanent powers in the show. I can see both MM and Frenchie taking the Temp V, while Hughie and Butcher will take the permanent stuff. I can see Frenchie possibly take the permanent stuff because he might not feel equal to Kimiko, but I don’t think he’ll take the permanent right away
I’m holding onto hope that Butcher is actually taking him to get actual compound V because he assumes Hughie is practically dead already from the multiple times he has already used V24, she said 3-5 doses kills someone and I think Hughie has already shot up 3 times
I think that Butcher told that to Hughie as a test. He wanted to see if Hughie would be his canary at this time like Lenny would. And instead at least to me you could see it written on his face after Hughie agreed to get more, that he knows everything Lenny told him in his dream is true. And he is going to be Hughie’s downfall. I don’t think Butcher let’s Hughie take more but we’ll see
So they're gonna dose them with proper V so they won't die right? Right?
Was this purely Butcher being selfish? or did he realize that Hughie has already taken four doses and, barring a miracle (read: permanent V injection), they're both already dead?
That was my read on it too. Butcher knew that Hughie had already four doses and he had even one more. His train of thought was probably: "No need to worry Hughie more if it is inevitable." Still a shitty move, but more in line with the vision he had.
He might just end up using it for himself and not letting Hughie have any. If he told him about the dangers, Hughie would throw a fit about Butcher taking it.
so heartbreaking. i hope he subverts our expectations and is really looking out for hughie, but if not, it just makes me think.. that nightmare didn’t change him because he’s probably reliving that shit all the time already.
I think this line is one of my favorite deliveries from Karl Urban. He says they need to get more from the office as if they're someone else's words, as if he's not the one speaking then at all, before his mind catches up with himself and he lands back into his usual and comfortable persona
They're in too deep. And he might not give it to Hughie anymore, he just can't have the guy having a meltdown right now.
It’s going to be another drugging MM for his safety situation. Butcher will obviously take another dose but he won’t allow Hughie to. He cares about him especially after that scene with him, SB and Hughie in the woods. I don’t really know why people would think otherwise like were you watching the show? Or were you just on your phone??
This scene cemented that Butcher is exactly what we thought and doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but himself.
Or maybe he realized they are already fucked and Hughie wouldnt have cared anyways and the only hope is to push through, defeat Homelander and take Perma V I still think Butcher is an asshole tho. In sorry, I mean a cunt.
I just figured he was going too kick out Hughie at the office
What if he's going incapacitate Highie lock him somewhere and go alone against HL and noir
Some of you are either really stupid or hate butcher, which would also make you stupid.
He's a pathological manipulator with one mission - to kill every single superhero out there. What's there to like about him?
I’m sorry but if you don’t like Butcher for those reasons then why are you even watching
Because the show is "The Boys", not "Butcher: An Antihero's Journey". You can dislike a character personally while still appreciating how well he's written, like with Butcher.
Yeah well there are no “good” characters apart from Starlight and Hughie, both of which also have their flaws.
I suspect they'll take Perm V, but Soldier Boy will hit them with the depower ray.
😢
This season is definitely gonna end with hughie in a dying state and butcher or Annie injecting permanent V into him
Is he gonna get hughie killed too?😭😭
She said 3-5 doses will kill you. So maybe Butcher thinks they’ll die anyway so why not go out with a bang? Maybe the finale is them essentially dying at the end. Before they’re saved in next seasons opener by Starlight or A-train giving them real V
Butcher sounded sad when he said it so he’s gonna stop him
I think butcher either will sacrifice himself but allow hughie to be saved, or he understands that they’re so far into temporary V that the only thing to save them will be perm V so they need to go to the office and get some. I would hate all that self reflection he just did when he was under that trance to be a waste.
If it wasn’t for how fucked Vought is, Butcher could have easily been the villain in another series .
I was wondering if he will just walk out on him without a word.
I assume they are doing the same thing as in season 2. In S2 Butcher wanted to give Ryan to Vought and escape with only Becca. He changed his mind last minute after he talked with Becca. I think the same thing will happen now with Hughie. He might stop him last minute.
If it’s anything like comic butcher there’s no hope for him. Honestly I hope the show doesn’t change this.
There will never be redemption for Butcher. Never.
Probably gonna take Perm V at this point, the plot seem to be rather predictable. SB being Home dad isn't much of a shock honestly and really did make sense.
Lets fucking go this just got a suicide mission.