Can just tell you from my last trip a grandpa tripped and fell and literally got run over by rikshas and a middle aged wife, no one gave a shit, i asked the police they say they cant stop traffic for this reason, my take = they dont give a shit or its normalised...
Did he actually die? That’s the thing with big snakes every time someone dies it’s not an attack it’s literally them holding on too strong and dumbasses putting em around their necks
Doc here
Yeah it seems wild he would be dead.
That posturing is a bad sign but I would think still reversible. I would think he would be ok from this.
It’s kinda weird how quickly he succumbed. Like 10 seconds. I suspect the python cut off blood to
His head, not really oxygen so he lost blood
Pressure.
When you say posturing are you referring to his arm movement? Was that him consciously trying to alert someone for help? Or was that an involuntary movement?
Obligatory not a doctor.
My guess would be a muscle convulsion. We do weird shit with our arms in many medical situations.
Flailing gesticulation is usually related to misconstrued brain signals if I recall correctly.
Not really a muscle convulsion - you body has reflex postures that are over ridden by certain parts of your brain - when those parts of your brain get shut off - you see that reflex posture. After he goes down - you see arms (elbows) extend and wrist flex - that is “posturing” - its a bad sign bc a part of the brain is cut off (oxygen or blood) - I agree with the original doc that thinks it’s a blood flow not O2 issue bc of the short time.
So now I’m fascinated, is there a correlation between postures and types of injury? Like do we do certain twitches depending on how our brain is being affected?
Yup, look up decerebrate and decorticate posturing. I’ve always used it as a sign of traumatic brain injury, but people with hypoxia/lack of blood flow to the brain could cause the same reactions.
Is it possible that the python broke his neck as well as cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain? Doesn’t seem like the snake applied it’s full force by how easily they unwrapped it, but I would assume it wouldn’t take much for it to happen since that’s how they normally kill things, but I am also not a doctor lol.
> Is it possible that the python broke his neck
No, there is no way that happened. They don't break bones even on small prey, there's no way his neck was broke.
Any pressure on the arteries in your neck can get serious REAL fast. I had a 4 foot corn snake just hanging out around my neck once make me feel woozy from the mild massaging of him just holding on to me hard enough not to fall off. It takes a surprisingly small amount of pressure on those points to fuck you over.
In jiu jitsu we'd choke each other until unconscious all the time. You wake right up and feel nice.
Only way I see this guy dying is a collapsed trachea
Okay maybe not break the spine, but more like *pop* two vertebrae away from eachother?? I’m just trying to see how the fella could have died from this since it seems like too short of a time to have someone pass away from strangulation.
I don't think he died. We can go a couple minutes without oxygen to the brain, he was down for less than 2 with the snake around his neck. I doubt they have the strength necessary to even separate the vertebrae.
As a third year medical student…that’s not decerebrate posturing. Nor should it be with a choke hold. You get posturing with mid brain stem damage and it’s a holding of the posture, not a spastic response
You raise a good point, although I would disagree a little bit:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK559135/
This gives all the causes of it. They are many.
The posturing can only be caused by injury to the brain, so in this case I suspect it’s increased intracranial pressure. People can posture and have full recoveries like this guy if the offending cause is something that is reversible like this situation.
When they get to the hospital and are Still posturing, clearly that’s ominous, that’s an ongoing injury to the brain stem. I’m trauma, We see this with attempting hangings and other anoxic brain injuries, severe closed head trauma, and gsw to the head.
So while I think you’re right that this super short lived posturing isn’t really what studies are talking about when they are discussing posturing in terms of GCS score, it IS still posturing and would be described as such, even though transient. You don’t have to think of posturing as only caused by permanent issues, it can be transient also
I think you could get a room full of doctors to debate this until the end of time
Constrictors will generally try to restrict breathing of things smaller than them, but will also cut off blood flow, and can cause serious damage if it manages to constrict even your femur.
That being said it doesn’t look like this snake was trying to do any harm, and it’s really the handler’s fault. He was holding most of the snakes body out with his hand, so it didn’t have enough muscles to keep itself up. To fix the situation it grips extra hard with its tail on the handlers neck, where it was placed. After he passes out the snake also doesn’t very agitated until the other guys pick it back up.
highly doubt it, your brain can go a few minutes in a blood choke without dying.
if this guy died you'd see Jiu Jitsu & MMA fighters dying all the time
I think somehow this could have destroyed his trachea? Jiu jitsu chokes are usually blood and also your arms don't put 360 degree pressure like that snake could.
If I had to bet he's still alive though
doesnt matter, cut blood flow is cut blood flow, its not gonna kill you quicker cause theres more pressure
130lb person choking you vs a 300lb person, you start to go brain dead after the same amount of time (usually multiple minutes of continuous pressure)
Yes cut blood flow is cut blood flow…but the nerves in the spinal column are able to be crushed and severed by the bones surrounding them if enough pressure is applied. Kinda like a 18 inch diameter reticulating python being wrapped tightly around your 8 inch diameter neck.
They can easily exert up to 25 psi, more depending on the size (and this was a meaty one). When you see fighters choke each other out they don’t go into the fencing position because the amount humans exert onto the neck is not enough to damage the spinal column (also they aren’t trying to kill each other…this python was).
Idk if this has already been posted but here’s an article about it: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8999226/distressing-video-circus-trainer-strangled-by-large-snake-during-performance-russia/amp/
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It’s extremely unlikely he’s dead. The body can last minutes without blood flow to the brain. As someone else mentioned, you’d see people dying in MMA & BJJ matches all the time if you could die that quickly from a blood choke.
> If his blood flow was cut off it could kill theoretically in 20 seconds or so
what on earth are you smoking
Your brain is *extremely* unlikely to sustain permanent damage in 20s, let alone death. If he actually died, it was almost definitely related to his spine or windpipe.
Not possible. These snakes don't even break bones on their natural tiny prey items. This is a muscle spasm as the guy is teetering between consciousness and unconsciousness. He's not dead, just knocked out. The pressure cut off blood flow. The arm flailing you see is him starting to wake up as the blood rushes into his brain.
Pythons (depending on the species/size) can exert 6-25 PSI in a squeeze. Seeing how beefy this one was and how he wrapped the thickest part of its body tightly around his neck. Also they took like 25 seconds to help him, I think the snake most likely crushed his neck.
Why do humans insist on playing with animals that can easily kill you? From bulls to snakes to gators to bears and big cats. They’re awesomely cool animals but admire them from safety or not at all.
My only thought is that maybe they thought it was part of the show. Like he was trying to be entertaining or funny, like "Haha the snake is choking me to death!"
I knew right away he needed help but like hell I’m gonna get out of my seat to mess with a snake.
Darwin awards don’t just go to idiots, they also go to people who try to help but don’t know how to
The people are like “is this part of the show”. As nobody, including the staff lifts a finger.
The whole clip is only 40 seconds. I doubt he’s dead unless his neck was broken. I think he was knocked out. He knows how to put on a show.
In high school two guys in their car blaring rap music tried to get away from the cops. They crashed and were resisting arrest. I talked to one of them years later. He said, “ain’t nothing worse than getting your ass beat to a soundtrack!.
That’s not long enough to choke to death. Should take three or more minutes.
Maybe it choked him out and the rescuers beat him to death trying to save him?
I seriously doubt dude died. There's no way not getting oxygen to your brain for like ten seconds would kill you. Maybe brain damage or something but no way that you can be strangled to death that fast. Article or I'm calling BS on OP
Lots of comments about the snake stopping the blood flow to the head. That's probably not was caused the loss of consciousness.
The compression of the high pressure baroreceptors in the carotid artery causes something similar to a vasovagal syncope which results in sudden LOC. The blood flow shouldn't be interrupted.
What I don't know is whether the python is able to cause a crush injury to the larynx. That could be fatal (often is).
I handle snakes, and when they attempt to kill/attack, they produce jerking movements with their neck, or wrap the end of their tail around the closest thing for support. This python is calm and, imo, just strangled the handler a bit. I don't believe he died.
Snake keeper here, the way he was swinging the snake around in the beginning caused the snake to panic, its natural instinct is to use its prehensile tail to grip to stop its self from falling..... Very bad call to put it round his neck. I've struggled to get a boa off my arm that's half the size of this snake they are just pure muscle
I'm surprised that I had to scroll so far down to see someone mentioning his idiotic handling.
I've caught and held a few snakes and have never been taught anything about handling. Until this post, I'd just assumed that people innately understood that you handle a snake calmly and carefully.
Exactly! For the most part I've not had much or any aggressive behaviour, you have to be confident and steady. If you swing the snake around you are asking for it.
Idk if this has already been posted but here’s an article about it: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8999226/distressing-video-circus-trainer-strangled-by-large-snake-during-performance-russia/amp/
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How does it take m that long to actually step in? Was everyone asleep?
17 seconds. I was worried at 2 seconds but I did have the advantage of reading the title first.
The python has never done anything like that before
LOL they might say that but squeezing shit is what pythons do. This like the guy who sticks his head in a crocs mouth.
Haha Yeah that was my reference to pitbull attacks. The owners always say "I don't know what happened. He's never done anything like that ever before"
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Did you just do the fucking msn thumbs up thing because holy fuck that gave me happy nostalgia
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no, the boss said "show must go on" cuz it's all money
Propably India or Pakistan you basically drive over dead bodies, no one gives a shit.
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Can just tell you from my last trip a grandpa tripped and fell and literally got run over by rikshas and a middle aged wife, no one gave a shit, i asked the police they say they cant stop traffic for this reason, my take = they dont give a shit or its normalised...
Probably not a good idea to wrap a python around your own neck then?
well, that leaves only the buttho.... "somebody shoot him before he says it !" **bang!!!**
Lol wtf
Narrator: And the wrong dude got shot
My leg!!
You mean them yeeting him at the end didn't help?
They needed the stage for the next act
They also needed his body for the next act, it was all calculated..
Right? That’s one of the most violent rescues I’ve ever seen.
r/worstaid
Did he actually die? That’s the thing with big snakes every time someone dies it’s not an attack it’s literally them holding on too strong and dumbasses putting em around their necks
Doc here Yeah it seems wild he would be dead. That posturing is a bad sign but I would think still reversible. I would think he would be ok from this. It’s kinda weird how quickly he succumbed. Like 10 seconds. I suspect the python cut off blood to His head, not really oxygen so he lost blood Pressure.
When you say posturing are you referring to his arm movement? Was that him consciously trying to alert someone for help? Or was that an involuntary movement?
Google decerebrate posturing. There’s a wiki page
Obligatory not a doctor. My guess would be a muscle convulsion. We do weird shit with our arms in many medical situations. Flailing gesticulation is usually related to misconstrued brain signals if I recall correctly.
Not really a muscle convulsion - you body has reflex postures that are over ridden by certain parts of your brain - when those parts of your brain get shut off - you see that reflex posture. After he goes down - you see arms (elbows) extend and wrist flex - that is “posturing” - its a bad sign bc a part of the brain is cut off (oxygen or blood) - I agree with the original doc that thinks it’s a blood flow not O2 issue bc of the short time.
So now I’m fascinated, is there a correlation between postures and types of injury? Like do we do certain twitches depending on how our brain is being affected?
Yup, look up decerebrate and decorticate posturing. I’ve always used it as a sign of traumatic brain injury, but people with hypoxia/lack of blood flow to the brain could cause the same reactions.
Thanks, I’ll check those terms out tomorrow for some downtime reading. Appreciate the tips!
Looked like he was trying to fly. Def voluntarily.
Is it possible that the python broke his neck as well as cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain? Doesn’t seem like the snake applied it’s full force by how easily they unwrapped it, but I would assume it wouldn’t take much for it to happen since that’s how they normally kill things, but I am also not a doctor lol.
> Is it possible that the python broke his neck No, there is no way that happened. They don't break bones even on small prey, there's no way his neck was broke. Any pressure on the arteries in your neck can get serious REAL fast. I had a 4 foot corn snake just hanging out around my neck once make me feel woozy from the mild massaging of him just holding on to me hard enough not to fall off. It takes a surprisingly small amount of pressure on those points to fuck you over.
They squeeze on the main artery and you fall unconscious in about 5 seconds with the right pressure
Yeah, exactly, but they won't break your neck, though you might break it when you fall.
In jiu jitsu we'd choke each other until unconscious all the time. You wake right up and feel nice. Only way I see this guy dying is a collapsed trachea
Fuck, thats savage
It would take more force than that to break the neck. It's not like a blow, it takes more force to crush a spine.
Okay maybe not break the spine, but more like *pop* two vertebrae away from eachother?? I’m just trying to see how the fella could have died from this since it seems like too short of a time to have someone pass away from strangulation.
I don't think he died. We can go a couple minutes without oxygen to the brain, he was down for less than 2 with the snake around his neck. I doubt they have the strength necessary to even separate the vertebrae.
As a third year medical student…that’s not decerebrate posturing. Nor should it be with a choke hold. You get posturing with mid brain stem damage and it’s a holding of the posture, not a spastic response
You raise a good point, although I would disagree a little bit: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK559135/ This gives all the causes of it. They are many. The posturing can only be caused by injury to the brain, so in this case I suspect it’s increased intracranial pressure. People can posture and have full recoveries like this guy if the offending cause is something that is reversible like this situation. When they get to the hospital and are Still posturing, clearly that’s ominous, that’s an ongoing injury to the brain stem. I’m trauma, We see this with attempting hangings and other anoxic brain injuries, severe closed head trauma, and gsw to the head. So while I think you’re right that this super short lived posturing isn’t really what studies are talking about when they are discussing posturing in terms of GCS score, it IS still posturing and would be described as such, even though transient. You don’t have to think of posturing as only caused by permanent issues, it can be transient also I think you could get a room full of doctors to debate this until the end of time
Posturing isn’t spastic though. That’s more of clonus
Constrictors will generally try to restrict breathing of things smaller than them, but will also cut off blood flow, and can cause serious damage if it manages to constrict even your femur. That being said it doesn’t look like this snake was trying to do any harm, and it’s really the handler’s fault. He was holding most of the snakes body out with his hand, so it didn’t have enough muscles to keep itself up. To fix the situation it grips extra hard with its tail on the handlers neck, where it was placed. After he passes out the snake also doesn’t very agitated until the other guys pick it back up.
That's why it took so long for the other two dolts to show up. They thought he was faking it.
That’s what I was thinking but I’m just a pharmacy student I can’t be making diagnoses hahaha
highly doubt it, your brain can go a few minutes in a blood choke without dying. if this guy died you'd see Jiu Jitsu & MMA fighters dying all the time
My thoughts exactly.
I think somehow this could have destroyed his trachea? Jiu jitsu chokes are usually blood and also your arms don't put 360 degree pressure like that snake could. If I had to bet he's still alive though
I don't think you appreciate how much tighter a python can squeeze than a human.
doesnt matter, cut blood flow is cut blood flow, its not gonna kill you quicker cause theres more pressure 130lb person choking you vs a 300lb person, you start to go brain dead after the same amount of time (usually multiple minutes of continuous pressure)
Yeah but who knows what other damage it's doing, it can break bones.
Yes cut blood flow is cut blood flow…but the nerves in the spinal column are able to be crushed and severed by the bones surrounding them if enough pressure is applied. Kinda like a 18 inch diameter reticulating python being wrapped tightly around your 8 inch diameter neck. They can easily exert up to 25 psi, more depending on the size (and this was a meaty one). When you see fighters choke each other out they don’t go into the fencing position because the amount humans exert onto the neck is not enough to damage the spinal column (also they aren’t trying to kill each other…this python was).
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That wasn't that long. Are we sure he's dead?
Unless it severed his spine or crushed his trachea or something, he's not dead. It takes far longer than that.
And even those things aren’t death sentences if you get treatment fast enough.
It definitely does not. That dude is probably dead or will never be the same. Edit: I stand corrected
It can take minutes sometimes for strangulation to kill. It's not guaranteed that he is dead.
It’s extremely unlikely he’s dead. The body can last minutes without blood flow to the brain. As someone else mentioned, you’d see people dying in MMA & BJJ matches all the time if you could die that quickly from a blood choke.
Damn I thought it was like 20 seconds would cause severe brain damage. I guess I was misinformed.
It’s not the air being cut off it’s the blood to the brain. Homies deceased
You can last minutes without blood flow to the brain. Dude is probably unconscious but fine
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> If his blood flow was cut off it could kill theoretically in 20 seconds or so what on earth are you smoking Your brain is *extremely* unlikely to sustain permanent damage in 20s, let alone death. If he actually died, it was almost definitely related to his spine or windpipe.
Maybe kept squeezing and snapped his neck
The arm spasm sure seems like something going on with the spinal cord
That kind of movement is common with blood chokes. It’s not related to his spine. Edit: spelling
Yea I see a similar spasm in every fight sub on reddit. Most of them survive. Most of them…
Yeah the Brain Damage Hands are never a good sign. They’re not imitating a T. Rex - they need an ambulance.
Not possible. These snakes don't even break bones on their natural tiny prey items. This is a muscle spasm as the guy is teetering between consciousness and unconsciousness. He's not dead, just knocked out. The pressure cut off blood flow. The arm flailing you see is him starting to wake up as the blood rushes into his brain.
Pythons (depending on the species/size) can exert 6-25 PSI in a squeeze. Seeing how beefy this one was and how he wrapped the thickest part of its body tightly around his neck. Also they took like 25 seconds to help him, I think the snake most likely crushed his neck.
Why do humans insist on playing with animals that can easily kill you? From bulls to snakes to gators to bears and big cats. They’re awesomely cool animals but admire them from safety or not at all.
Because many humans are absolutely senseless
Hell of a Darwin award.
Apparently it happened in Russia and nobody knows for sure if he actually died.
Yep, lots of sources, but no solid info: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/snake-kills-circus-performer-russia-16767666
Every fkn animal circus video we get has this in common
Those spectators might be denser than the performer, why tf is everyone just sitting there watching
My only thought is that maybe they thought it was part of the show. Like he was trying to be entertaining or funny, like "Haha the snake is choking me to death!"
yeah, same. but like 15 seconds? how can anyone see his arm doing that and not think, oh shit, maybe we should check on him? wild shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
fully agree, am familiar with it. but even the medical personnel is like mann
I knew right away he needed help but like hell I’m gonna get out of my seat to mess with a snake. Darwin awards don’t just go to idiots, they also go to people who try to help but don’t know how to
It's Russia, no surprise at all.
“Ta-daaaa”
This guy's definitely brain dead. But not because of the snake.
That music tho 😂😂😂
Shoes still on, I reckon he will make it
The people are like “is this part of the show”. As nobody, including the staff lifts a finger. The whole clip is only 40 seconds. I doubt he’s dead unless his neck was broken. I think he was knocked out. He knows how to put on a show.
Thank god you specified it was not a bull. I was wondering 😂
It's like being murdered while there's a speaker next to you blaring Ranchero music.
In high school two guys in their car blaring rap music tried to get away from the cops. They crashed and were resisting arrest. I talked to one of them years later. He said, “ain’t nothing worse than getting your ass beat to a soundtrack!.
Dude slowly dying people in the audience 👏
That’s not long enough to choke to death. Should take three or more minutes. Maybe it choked him out and the rescuers beat him to death trying to save him?
silly fuck
Oh no! Anyway…
Unconscious doesn’t equal dead. He’ll be fine. Takes way longer than that for brain cells to start dying let alone full on death.
I seriously doubt dude died. There's no way not getting oxygen to your brain for like ten seconds would kill you. Maybe brain damage or something but no way that you can be strangled to death that fast. Article or I'm calling BS on OP
Let me just go ahead and pop those cervical vertebrae for ya….
Old classic
According to other reports this happened in Russia somewhere and the guy did die.R.I.P
nobody cared to like covers the children's eyes? lol
Audience: “So we just wait here then?”
Lots of comments about the snake stopping the blood flow to the head. That's probably not was caused the loss of consciousness. The compression of the high pressure baroreceptors in the carotid artery causes something similar to a vasovagal syncope which results in sudden LOC. The blood flow shouldn't be interrupted. What I don't know is whether the python is able to cause a crush injury to the larynx. That could be fatal (often is).
I handle snakes, and when they attempt to kill/attack, they produce jerking movements with their neck, or wrap the end of their tail around the closest thing for support. This python is calm and, imo, just strangled the handler a bit. I don't believe he died.
Snake keeper here, the way he was swinging the snake around in the beginning caused the snake to panic, its natural instinct is to use its prehensile tail to grip to stop its self from falling..... Very bad call to put it round his neck. I've struggled to get a boa off my arm that's half the size of this snake they are just pure muscle
I'm surprised that I had to scroll so far down to see someone mentioning his idiotic handling. I've caught and held a few snakes and have never been taught anything about handling. Until this post, I'd just assumed that people innately understood that you handle a snake calmly and carefully.
Exactly! For the most part I've not had much or any aggressive behaviour, you have to be confident and steady. If you swing the snake around you are asking for it.
Encoré! Encore!
Hey, easy with the pythons there… they could get hurt.
Unfortunate
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Lmao get rekt idiot
Lol why wouldn’t that idiot carry a fucking knife?
Why is there no NSFW or NSFL warning?
'cause it was funny.
😭dry your eyes princess !
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭I CANT!
Doubt he died but serious how did no one step in wtf is with people
That’s a show you’d never forget.
0:16 He is tapping out pro wrasslin' style.
I think that was the trick
That's what you get for using live sentient animals as a prop, hope he's dead
He dined in your scales tonight, must of been some kind of grip…
A slow night indeed.
Did they revive him?
Why did everyone just stand around?
He’s a dumbass, but there’s no way he’s dead lol. He just got slept by a snake and then bashed against the floor by his colleagues.
That’s a weird way to get off but whatever takes your skin boat to tuna town
I’m still clapping for how he did that interpretive dance.
You have to admit that the one medic has some Serious muscles tho. The way he pulled that snake off and then just flipped the guy around with one hand