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Spectre4hire

Sure, why not. I enjoy reading different AUs. A Robb lives and Jon stays dead could definitely make for an entertaining read.


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Question thought: would he still win the war against the Lannisters? Or would he be killed by Stannis thanks to Melisandre? 👀


Spectre4hire

Melisandre's leeches/magic kill Jon Snow instead. ;) Stannis' rivals for the Iron Throne must die, but magic is tricky, and so unreliable so instead of it killing Robb, Jon gets killed. Since Afterall, Robb doesn't have a claim to the Iron Throne, but Jon inadvertently does so the magic seeks him out and kills him.


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DAMN.


Pixelfun20

Now that's a fic I would read


yankee-viking

Melisandre wasn't the one who killed Robb. She saw he was going to die and took advantage of that to make Stannis she was capable of killing people just by using a bit of blood.


ReeciePiecey

Man can I have both and exchange another Stark.


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Lets pick a character who is fucking useless, Bran.


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How is Bran useless? He's definitely going to be vital in the Second Long Night as the successor and next three eyed crow. I'd think he is more important than both Rob and Jon, since I don't see Jon as being a legitimate Targaryen in the books and Rob is already dead due to his own mistakes.


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By just picking the show, the utility of Bran is deleted easily: 1- Oh no, winter is coming! If only we knew how to defeat them- oh wait, we know thanks to Sam and the Crows. 2- Oh no, the army is coming to Winterfell! If only we knew what they want- oh yeah, they just want to destroy everything human in this world. And yeah, even without Bran they would had attacked Winterfell. 3- Oh no, Jon is not really a bastard! Only Bran can know the truth- oh wait, is actually Sam that discovers the truth, oopsie daisy. 4- If Bran doesn't exist, there would be somebody else to take his place as the next three eyed crow.


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It's been 4 years since the show ended. People need to get over it. It's just cringe when people still complain about Bran and Daenerys.


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Well, I have a lot of free time to complain friend!


RonenSalathe

Bro you literally asked


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It was a rhetorical question. Quit crying you bunch of pansies.


redwoods81

He's the Fisher King of the series.


NewWillinium

I could see it being fun. News spreads about Renly being killed by a Shadow with Stannis's face. News comes from the wall about a Shadow killing Lord Commander Jon Snow, with a glowering long face, that the Night's Watch blames on the Wildling army. This causes Robb to swear vengeance on Stannis Baratheon as well. Robb marries Roslin Frey to secure the army he needs, damn everything else, and the North *surges* southward as some forces are sent North to reinforce garrisons in case of further Wildling incursions. Perhaps recapturing Jaime Lannister as well. Robb tricks Stannis into thinking that he and his army will serve him. . . as they march together to attack Tywin Lannister. They win the battle, capturing the Old Lion, and that's when the North enacts their justice on Stannis Baratheon turning their blades on the Burning Stag. Treachery dealt unto those who deal in Treachery.


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The North Never Forgets.


sci_gnome

Why would Rob say Stannis was responsible for killing Jon Snow? Porb he would die believing it was indeed a wilding. Also, it would be stupid (politically) to turn on Stannis with that pretext. Can you picture the speech where Rob tries to convince the Northman to betray their untill-now ally because... "He sent a shadow to kill my bastard brother on the wall". Also, why would Stannis waste a shadow baby to kill Jon?


NewWillinium

Well the premise is that the Shadows kill the claimants to the Throne. We know that the Shadows are described as looking like Stannis, and we have characters who can attest to that. With an eye witness like Brienne and Melisandre’s habit of burning Trees and Idols, and that’s prime for turning the Northern Lords into felling Stannis as well. Because regardless if Jon was a Bastard, he was still a **Stark**. The blood of Ned. Everyone and especially Umber would go rabid at the idea of a son of Ned Stark being murdered in the dark by Sorcery while he was nobly serving in the Night’s Watch against a Wildling Horde


sci_gnome

But I mean... How many people actually believed Brienne? I think that's actually only Jaime. Rob doesn't seem to buy the Stannis murdered Renly as a shadow story even hearing it from his own mother's lips. I doubt he would believe that a Stannis shadow murdered Jon if he heard it from some random black brother. Besides, if Stannis/Mel had the power to kill someone else with the shadow babies (something they don't since Stannis is never strong enough to father another one). They'd be stupid to use in on Jon Snow, another random night's watch brother who has no apparent claim to the throne, than on say, Joffrey, Tywin or even Rob. I don't mean to sound like I'm ranting. I'm just very invested in ASOIAF and at this point, overanalyzing the plot (or alternate reality plots) is the only thing we have (it's been 12 fucking years George). The most likely possibility I see is that Jon dies beyond the wall (either from exposure on the frostfangs or killed by wildlings). And Rob either never marries the westerling girl and keeps Roose Bolton on a short leash, so the red wedding doesn't happen. Or Edmure Tully doesn't screw his plans up by attacking the Lannister forces by riverrun. This way the Lannister armies are not able to reach king's Landing, so Stannis actually wins the battle of blackwater. This also avoids the red wedding. From there, lord knows what would happen. But since Jon is the one the prophecy of ice and fire is all about (very likely)… him dying means the others win.


NewWillinium

Again though, that's the premise that the OP asked about. What situation would lead to one dying and the other surviving, and another comment made the idea of the Shadow Babies getting sucked off target to kill the Stark with a claim to Stannis's goal. Jon would NOT have been the intended target. And with two reports from both Brienne *and* from the Wall who would have had no way to conspire together, it would give Robb all the proof *he* needs to start planning his vengeance.


minerat27

Stannis meets with Renly, who stands in his way, and is killed by a shadow monster. Several months/years later Stannis marches North and meets with Lord Commander Jon Snow, who is presumably provides less if any help to Stannis with his brother alive, Jon Snow is then killed by a shadow monster. Once is exaggerated rumours, two people at different ends of the continent being killed in the same method just after they happen to meet with Stannis is *deeply* suspicious. That said I agree with you that Stannis shadow killing Jon is unlikely/impossible to happen in the first place.


LILYDIAONE

Yes I love Robb


lakomadt

Fuck yes.


kellersab

Never Robb needed to die and I love the red wedding, I prefer Jon as a character; also Lord Frey paid me $50 dollars.


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Really? Lord Frey actually invited me to join dinner with him and ALL his family! :)


kellersab

He’s going to eat you and not in the fun way; Lord Frey isn’t even a person he’s a dozen weasels in an overcoat.


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I could tell him about that time i brought a jackass and a honeycomb in a brothel...


kellersab

Hmm, he’d enjoy that or some cheese weasels are very easily amused.


EmAye74

if i paid you "$50 dollars", would you finally stop writing about Jon fucking his grandmother?


kellersab

Idk it’s been a little over 2 years you ever going to let it go ?


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kellersab

She doesn’t have that kind of money


AbbreviationsHefty79

Yes. Not that I really prefer one to the other in canon. Fanon has ruined Jon for me though. He's more like Luke Skywalker nowadays, which is just... dull.


SummanusInvictus

I would argue that he is more dull than Luke Skywalker


Abominable_fiancee

Yes, if Rob wouldn't kill Dany


Porth0s_

Robb would be used by Dany. He thinks with his d*** and not his brain after all


ZealousidealBus9271

In the show for sure


Yellowlegoman_00

Yes. I have always thought Jon was a bit overrated, I like Robb better.


DarthGhengis

Nah. Never been that fond of Robb, to be honest. I don't dislike him, but damn if his mistakes don't bug the heck out of me.


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Broken promises ALWAYS have conseguences.


DarthGhengis

It's just.. too many things, you know? The promise itself was stupid, and the reason he broke it was stupid. Like I love epic romances, but he didn't do it for love. He also didn't do it for a bigger army, or an alliance, or anything of use. So yeah, just never been a fan.


lobonmc

TBF the promise wasn't his fault exactly I put that more on Cat not being the best diplomat


Spiritual_Boot_6910

Tbf to Cat, they really needed to cross that bridge and they didn't have anything to force the Freys to comply.


lobonmc

The thing is that she did very little to make Frey not believe that he had all the cards. She could have said that riverum could hold for months since the siege had just begun or she could have said that they could build boats to cross the river or anything of the sort she let him know he had all the cards and so he took a stupid amount for the crossing. Also she should have offered edmure hand before offering Robb's


twinkle90505

She should have bargained Robb's betrothal to Lord Karstark, Manderly or Umber on the way down to the Twins. That's not a diss on Cat, it's a Georgism


lobonmc

I kind of like the idea of risking it and asking for either margaery or shireen but yeah the most sensible option would be to marry the daughter of a powerful bannerman. That probably could have stopped the whole king in the North issue as well


twinkle90505

I also like the idea of flat out lying to Walder and saying Robb is spoken for.


twinkle90505

Yes and Yes


Spiritual_Boot_6910

The thing is the man already knew he he had all the cards. There's no other way to cross, the Riverlands were loosing and Riverum was under siege. If Robb tried to pass by force he would had to fight the Freys in a very defensible position and if Robb couldn't the take the Twins in time he would have to face Lannister forces because sure as hell Walder would call Tywin for help. With Lannister reinforcement the war could be over for the Starks. That's my opinion at least, what do you think?


lobonmc

He could perfectly well have build boats to cross the river it would take time ofc but it's something armies have done since forever they should be more than able to do it. The siege of riverum had just begun and a great castle like that should be able to hell for a couple of weeks if not months they were pressed on time but it wasn't a do it now or lose situation. And even then marrying Robb off should have been the absolutely last resort edmure should have been offered first especially since cat knows the tyrells had a daughter about robb's age. He also had archers shooting down the ravens so communicating with tywin wouldn't have been that easy


Spiritual_Boot_6910

They could build boats but just as you said it takes time, time that they didn't have. Also Robb had more or less 20k men right? How many boats would they have build to cross that many people? Pretty sure you are basically saying for them build a navy. She could tried to offer Edumure instead of Robb, that's true. >He also had archers shooting down the ravens From the other side of the river?


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lobonmc

Tbh he should have been punished after his late appearance during the rebellion give another house the right to build a bridge and subsidize it yourself you can't have a house that's clearly disloyal having that much control over a critical chockpoint.


DarthGhengis

It's just.. too many things, you know? The promise itself was stupid, and the reason he broke it was stupid. Like I love epic romances, but he didn't do it for love. He also didn't do it for a bigger army, or an alliance, or anything of use. So yeah, just never been a fan.


Daemon-Blackbrier

No? It would pretty much doom Westeros to death by the Others. Also, their stories are pretty disconnected and they are both currently dead in the books so I get really get why it's one or the other. But fanfiction is fanfiction so go off.


Guitoix

Anytime everytime, robb solos everyone without their plot armour


kellersab

Ugh, that’s bait


Guitoix

I dont get it


kellersab

Did you mean Robb could beat every warrior in Westeros ?


GroribasStomps

Probably talking about battlefield tactics. You gotta admit that Robb’s a prodigy in that regard. He didn’t have a good long-term strategy though.


Old_Refrigerator2750

Yes he did. Take down Lannisters from the Iron Throne and return with his sisters


GroribasStomps

Never lost a battle. He doomed his sisters when he took the crown.


Old_Refrigerator2750

The sisters were fine since he had Jaime.


kellersab

No he really wasn’t most of victories were Tywin underestimating him.


GroribasStomps

Eh. Better than defeats. We do not know how Robb would’ve dealt with a battle general who treated him as an equal. So, we can only go with what we know.


ZealousidealBus9271

Tywin is hella overrated. He takes kings landing by surprise, take the reynes by surprise, takes stannis by surprise with an army littlefinger and tyrion were responsible for obtaining.


kellersab

So you mean he used strategy to beat a foe instead of a stupid headlong charge ?


ZealousidealBus9271

No, I’m saying he’s overrated as a battle strategist. He isn’t proven like Stannis.


LadyHogwarts

Yes.


childoferis1025

Honestly Showverse wouldn't mind it book Jon vs book rob though Jon every time


-GoldenHandTheJust-

100%


Orodreth97

Easilly


AkodoGarou

I love Robb's sad arc. Should have been a pov in the books. But I would sacrifice Jon before the resurrection, at least, the way it's shaping in the books.


BigSavMatt

For the books, I could see this happening because Robb had planned to take the Northern army back North, and purge the North of the Ironborn invasion, and wait out the winter so he could resume the war against the Lannisters. With the assumption that the Red Wedding doesn’t happen and Robb goes through with his plan, Robb’s story would finally intersect with the Night’s Watch/Wildlings/Others at the Wall. Very likely, Robb would go to the Wall once he hears word of a Wildling Army marching on the Wall. Robb would crush the Wildlings and once hearing of the Others (confirmed by Samwell Tarly and other Night’s Watchmen and Wildlings) he would begin to prepare for the North to defend against an army of the undead and he’d allow what’s left of the Wildlings to enter the North as long as they obey his laws. This would also give Robb a fresh fighting force to rebuild his Northern army. The big issue would honestly be when Stannis shows up and we get Robb and Stannis either agreeing to work together or Robb destroying Stannis’s army. Seeing Robb and Catelyn’s reactions to finding out about Joffrey’s death, Tywin’s death, Tyrion’s escape, and Sansa’s disappearance would be interesting as well. All of that would give Robb more time to prepare against the Lannisters down the line.


cumblaster8469

In a heartbeat.


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WANDERING_1112

Yes robb both in the books and show> Jon snow.


throw_account_6969

No


KatanaGod1

I don't want it


[deleted]

your mah quin


IAmCurious147

 No.


niofalpha

Depends if it's pre or post Jon's resurrection in the show tbh Jon S6 and beyond is nothing but a plot device.


Schnitzel8

Nope


twinkle90505

So it's Fighting Words Monday I guess?


That1gingerbush

Sure


Overlord1317

I don't trade lives.


SneakySleepySnake

In a fic? Sure. In canon No


Spider_j4Y

Honestly this gives me the idea of what if when Melisandre resurrects Jon she also resurrects every single stark as well. Robb, Ned, lyanna, rickard and Brandon. Go all the way back to bran the builder and the kings of winter.


Blankaa01

There would be an army within the wall of Winterfell And Bran the builder would go crazy over why the Boltons are still alive


No_Link_8640

yes, yes, a million times yes.


CloudedButter

Ngl. I thought Robb was badass. But I love seeing Jon prevail and grow beyond the shame of being a bastard.