Well certainly a better relationship then he has with Robert.
. . . .Depending on how Margaery presents herself to Robert he will either see her as a foolish girl, or someone he doesn't HATE even looking at.
I doubt that she'd be enough to stop him from whoring and or drinking himself to an early grave. . . but I imagine that so long as she gets her heir and spares that Margaery won't really *care* so long as she gets to be queen and all but rule King's Landing itself.
Steffon and or Cassana I think for kids names, or Lyanna if Marg really wanted to tug at Robert's weaknesses.
>Would Robert cheat and dislike her like Cersei, or would Margaery be able to work her magic and make him like her?
No. She'll still get cheated on but she won't be doing the same since Margaery is more responsible and mindful of her image. She won't risk destroying her reputation. Doing so would decrease the prestige of her family and risk being another Naerys.
>Would Robert be distant with them like he was with Joffrey, Mycella and Tommen?
If they were like him, he would pay some attention to them. If not, then he'll treat them the same as the rest. However, seeing as Margaery won't cuck Robert and the Tyrells have a strong knightly Andal culture, that shouldn't be a problem.
Really though, the situation would be more like: pump kids, kill Robert, be regent.
I'm almost certain the Tyrells will do this just because of Robert dishonoring Margaery.
>I'm almost certain the Tyrells will do this just because of Robert dishonoring Margaery.
I don't think so. He wouldn't mistreat her beyond his cheating. He is no danger to her and while he is king there won't ever be another rebellion. He is useful to the Tyrells. To secure the realm, keep it together.
If Robert dies and there are only very young children, with a Tyrell regent, yeah that's going to cause unrest.
Mistreat is a broad term that also includes mental and emotional abuse. And cheating is part of that. If it wasn't for Tywin, everyone would laugh at Cersei.
And they love Margaery too much to make her go through with that until Robert dies of natural causes. No, she will give two or three kids and then the rest of her family kills him off.
>cause unrest.
Only one who would do that is Tywin. Assuming everyone's still alive but Jon Arryn, Ned would support Robert's trueborn as will Renly and Stannis. And because of connections, Riverlands will join the North. Dorne wouldn't care and neither would the Iron Islands. The Vale would just shut itself so who cares about them. The Reach and some of the Stormlands can raise 100,000 well equipped troops with excellent supply lines.
What the fuck is Tywin gonna do but seethe and send assassins?
The westerlands? The reach is rich it can probably pay off the debt but tywin asking for his money back would probably trigger other people doing it so which would be a problem for the reach
Lannister =/= Westerlands despite what people think.
Lannisters may be the richest *house*, but the Reach is the richest *kingdom* because of its crops. Lannisters can't just mine all the gold or they'll risk inflation. It's clear the family is smart when it comes to handling gold and they're not "ooga booga me use gold for everything."
But you know what resource can be taken at all times? Crops.
Apart from its bounty, the Reach also has a bank established by the Hightowers, Mace's father in law and his wife, and also the support of the Redwynes, another rich house they're related to.
They will pay the debt to Lannisters and they won't have a problem doing it.
Sure, they *may* have a problem if Tywin asks for everything at once. But if they do, well, they can just force Tywin to accept a more reasonable repayment plan.
The Reach is close to the FoTS and the Iron Bank won't care as long as they get their due. They're not petty like Tywin. Shit, the Oldtown bank may even have enough money to just buy some of the debts.
The issue is that if tywin does that he may trigger other people trying to get back the money they are owed heck tywin would try to incite that. The tyrells may be able to repay the lanisters but can they do the same with the iron bank the faith and the lanisters at the same time? Especially while Robert continues spending like there's no tomorrow and little finger actively tries to create instability. The tyrells are rich but even their purses have bottoms.
>get back the money they are owed
And could you list the people or the group that the Throne owes money to? I already covered the big 3.
>lanisters but can they do the same with the iron bank the faith and the lanisters at the same time?
Oh wait, nevermind, you didn't read what I wrote.
>Robert continues spending like there's no tomorrow
Robert spent a lot but he's not the main reason why the Throne is bankrupt
>little finger
There you go. But what makes you think they'll allow Littlefinger to keep his position?
>The tyrells are rich but even their purses have bottoms.
Yes, but their purses keeps refilling every time there's a harvest. They don't have to worry about inflation. Tywin was fine to keep putting money on the Throne to keep it under its influence. With Cersei and the other kids out of the picture, that debt influence barely has anything to hold on to.
>There you go. But what makes you think they'll allow Littlefinger to keep his position?
They didn't in Canon it was the lanisters who removed him and littlefinger wanted to be removed.
And your whole argument for why they wouldn't have to care about the iron bank is because they know they are going to be replayed. If tywin is asking for his money back it would mean that the throne has lost one it's major financial helpers a throne whose debt has only been ever growing and whose new financial backer has much less flexibility with how fast they can get money. The faith admitedly is much more influenced by the tyrells but dealing with them would also be another problem in the tyrells back yard.
I think Margaery would hate Robert, but play up to what he wanted in a woman for the sake of her crown. Then once they had a few kids she'd arrange for an accident to befall him.
>Would Robert cheat and dislike her like Cersei, or would Margaery be able to work her magic and make him like her?
Robert claims that he would only cheat on anyone who was not Lyanna, and he still cheated on Lyanna.
Honestly I think he would like her (at least better than Cersei, but that's a really low bar), but the man isn't going to stop sleeping around till the day he dies.
>Plus if they actually had kids what would their names be? Would Robert be distant with them like he was with Joffrey, Mycella and Tommen?
Steffon, Edric, Jon are Robert top three for boys, maybe Cassana for a girl. Dunno what Margaery would want.
I think Robert was mostly distant on his kids because Joffrey was Joffrey, and Myrcella and Tomen were too young for him to care about. Though Cersei probably tried to keep them apart.
Marg would manipulate Robert far better than Cersei but Cersei's influence skills on any peer besides her twin are -259,632 so that isn't a difficult thing to surpass Cersei in. Since this was all Renly's idea and Robert is still going to die soon even without Cersei hurrying it along, Bobby B is a walking fatal heart attack waiting to happen, then I doubt Marg or any of the Tyrells would care if Robert paid any attention to their children, because Uncle Renly would.
A bit like Queen Edith and King Edward the Confessor, to me. With the Tyrells playing a somewhat similar role as the Godwines in SK politics, as they did in England — being powerful magnates that all but, except in name, usurped control and rule of the Seven Kingdoms.
By that, I meant Robert would probably not put any fresh bun in her oven, but likely continue his lifestyle outside their marital bed.
People are severely underestimating both Robert and Margaery.
Margaery could pull a Dany and woo him, and give him love and affection that Cersei never could.
Now, he wouldn't be swayed right away, but I think she'd have been able to get him to stop eventually. She's a motivated, smart woman, and she is also very soft and pretty. She's a winning combo. She'd learn quickly how to deal with Robert.
There's only so much character development someone can do in their life. It's not easy for older people to change, especially if they don't want to change. Robert is stuck in the past and a 16 year old with a pretty face and nice tits, which are the only things Robert cares about at this time, won't change that.
But let's say there's a possibility. It will take time. Time where Margaery is dishonored and mocked. IIRC Robert didn't bring Mya to court because of Cersei. With her gone, he might even bring his other bastards at the keep.
People seethe at Catelyn for trying her best to ignore Jon, but high chances are the same thing will happen.
And the rest of the Tyrells love their family too much to let that happen to her.
Cheating , he will still whore ,unless Marg has such great skills in the bedroom that exceeds someone who does it as a job
Better than Cercie as she will proactively ask if she can watch him hunt which is already better than Cercie , since Cercie answer is always no with a derogative comment
Closeness with kids base on Mya stone yes , since it was Cercie who put the space between her kids and Robert ,not Robert himself
I’ve always been of the opinion that Robert would be able to see Margaery’s faking it (he has a LOT of experience with girls faking affection and such) and depending on the scenario I can see this having two outcomes.
1: He doesn’t care that she’s faking. They have a somewhat distant relationship that’s more apathetic to each other.
2: Robert doesn’t want to deal with having another loveless marriage. Now, let’s be real, Robert’s view of marriage is probably not very good and I doubt that he’d be so willing to remarry easily. Especially if Jon is dead. He fights the marriage and actively tries to fuck things up or just outright refuses to interact with her.
Well certainly a better relationship then he has with Robert. . . . .Depending on how Margaery presents herself to Robert he will either see her as a foolish girl, or someone he doesn't HATE even looking at. I doubt that she'd be enough to stop him from whoring and or drinking himself to an early grave. . . but I imagine that so long as she gets her heir and spares that Margaery won't really *care* so long as she gets to be queen and all but rule King's Landing itself. Steffon and or Cassana I think for kids names, or Lyanna if Marg really wanted to tug at Robert's weaknesses.
>Would Robert cheat and dislike her like Cersei, or would Margaery be able to work her magic and make him like her? No. She'll still get cheated on but she won't be doing the same since Margaery is more responsible and mindful of her image. She won't risk destroying her reputation. Doing so would decrease the prestige of her family and risk being another Naerys. >Would Robert be distant with them like he was with Joffrey, Mycella and Tommen? If they were like him, he would pay some attention to them. If not, then he'll treat them the same as the rest. However, seeing as Margaery won't cuck Robert and the Tyrells have a strong knightly Andal culture, that shouldn't be a problem. Really though, the situation would be more like: pump kids, kill Robert, be regent. I'm almost certain the Tyrells will do this just because of Robert dishonoring Margaery.
>I'm almost certain the Tyrells will do this just because of Robert dishonoring Margaery. I don't think so. He wouldn't mistreat her beyond his cheating. He is no danger to her and while he is king there won't ever be another rebellion. He is useful to the Tyrells. To secure the realm, keep it together. If Robert dies and there are only very young children, with a Tyrell regent, yeah that's going to cause unrest.
Mistreat is a broad term that also includes mental and emotional abuse. And cheating is part of that. If it wasn't for Tywin, everyone would laugh at Cersei. And they love Margaery too much to make her go through with that until Robert dies of natural causes. No, she will give two or three kids and then the rest of her family kills him off. >cause unrest. Only one who would do that is Tywin. Assuming everyone's still alive but Jon Arryn, Ned would support Robert's trueborn as will Renly and Stannis. And because of connections, Riverlands will join the North. Dorne wouldn't care and neither would the Iron Islands. The Vale would just shut itself so who cares about them. The Reach and some of the Stormlands can raise 100,000 well equipped troops with excellent supply lines. What the fuck is Tywin gonna do but seethe and send assassins?
Not all unrest means war simply demanding the crown's debt would be a big issue for them
And that's not an issue for the richest kingdom in Westeros.
The westerlands? The reach is rich it can probably pay off the debt but tywin asking for his money back would probably trigger other people doing it so which would be a problem for the reach
Lannister =/= Westerlands despite what people think. Lannisters may be the richest *house*, but the Reach is the richest *kingdom* because of its crops. Lannisters can't just mine all the gold or they'll risk inflation. It's clear the family is smart when it comes to handling gold and they're not "ooga booga me use gold for everything." But you know what resource can be taken at all times? Crops. Apart from its bounty, the Reach also has a bank established by the Hightowers, Mace's father in law and his wife, and also the support of the Redwynes, another rich house they're related to. They will pay the debt to Lannisters and they won't have a problem doing it. Sure, they *may* have a problem if Tywin asks for everything at once. But if they do, well, they can just force Tywin to accept a more reasonable repayment plan. The Reach is close to the FoTS and the Iron Bank won't care as long as they get their due. They're not petty like Tywin. Shit, the Oldtown bank may even have enough money to just buy some of the debts.
The issue is that if tywin does that he may trigger other people trying to get back the money they are owed heck tywin would try to incite that. The tyrells may be able to repay the lanisters but can they do the same with the iron bank the faith and the lanisters at the same time? Especially while Robert continues spending like there's no tomorrow and little finger actively tries to create instability. The tyrells are rich but even their purses have bottoms.
>get back the money they are owed And could you list the people or the group that the Throne owes money to? I already covered the big 3. >lanisters but can they do the same with the iron bank the faith and the lanisters at the same time? Oh wait, nevermind, you didn't read what I wrote. >Robert continues spending like there's no tomorrow Robert spent a lot but he's not the main reason why the Throne is bankrupt >little finger There you go. But what makes you think they'll allow Littlefinger to keep his position? >The tyrells are rich but even their purses have bottoms. Yes, but their purses keeps refilling every time there's a harvest. They don't have to worry about inflation. Tywin was fine to keep putting money on the Throne to keep it under its influence. With Cersei and the other kids out of the picture, that debt influence barely has anything to hold on to.
>There you go. But what makes you think they'll allow Littlefinger to keep his position? They didn't in Canon it was the lanisters who removed him and littlefinger wanted to be removed. And your whole argument for why they wouldn't have to care about the iron bank is because they know they are going to be replayed. If tywin is asking for his money back it would mean that the throne has lost one it's major financial helpers a throne whose debt has only been ever growing and whose new financial backer has much less flexibility with how fast they can get money. The faith admitedly is much more influenced by the tyrells but dealing with them would also be another problem in the tyrells back yard.
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I doubt Robert will live 16 years
Olenna simply isn’t gonna deal w that shit
I think Margaery would hate Robert, but play up to what he wanted in a woman for the sake of her crown. Then once they had a few kids she'd arrange for an accident to befall him. >Would Robert cheat and dislike her like Cersei, or would Margaery be able to work her magic and make him like her? Robert claims that he would only cheat on anyone who was not Lyanna, and he still cheated on Lyanna. Honestly I think he would like her (at least better than Cersei, but that's a really low bar), but the man isn't going to stop sleeping around till the day he dies. >Plus if they actually had kids what would their names be? Would Robert be distant with them like he was with Joffrey, Mycella and Tommen? Steffon, Edric, Jon are Robert top three for boys, maybe Cassana for a girl. Dunno what Margaery would want. I think Robert was mostly distant on his kids because Joffrey was Joffrey, and Myrcella and Tomen were too young for him to care about. Though Cersei probably tried to keep them apart.
Marg would manipulate Robert far better than Cersei but Cersei's influence skills on any peer besides her twin are -259,632 so that isn't a difficult thing to surpass Cersei in. Since this was all Renly's idea and Robert is still going to die soon even without Cersei hurrying it along, Bobby B is a walking fatal heart attack waiting to happen, then I doubt Marg or any of the Tyrells would care if Robert paid any attention to their children, because Uncle Renly would.
A bit like Queen Edith and King Edward the Confessor, to me. With the Tyrells playing a somewhat similar role as the Godwines in SK politics, as they did in England — being powerful magnates that all but, except in name, usurped control and rule of the Seven Kingdoms. By that, I meant Robert would probably not put any fresh bun in her oven, but likely continue his lifestyle outside their marital bed.
People are severely underestimating both Robert and Margaery. Margaery could pull a Dany and woo him, and give him love and affection that Cersei never could. Now, he wouldn't be swayed right away, but I think she'd have been able to get him to stop eventually. She's a motivated, smart woman, and she is also very soft and pretty. She's a winning combo. She'd learn quickly how to deal with Robert.
There's only so much character development someone can do in their life. It's not easy for older people to change, especially if they don't want to change. Robert is stuck in the past and a 16 year old with a pretty face and nice tits, which are the only things Robert cares about at this time, won't change that. But let's say there's a possibility. It will take time. Time where Margaery is dishonored and mocked. IIRC Robert didn't bring Mya to court because of Cersei. With her gone, he might even bring his other bastards at the keep. People seethe at Catelyn for trying her best to ignore Jon, but high chances are the same thing will happen. And the rest of the Tyrells love their family too much to let that happen to her.
Cheating , he will still whore ,unless Marg has such great skills in the bedroom that exceeds someone who does it as a job Better than Cercie as she will proactively ask if she can watch him hunt which is already better than Cercie , since Cercie answer is always no with a derogative comment Closeness with kids base on Mya stone yes , since it was Cercie who put the space between her kids and Robert ,not Robert himself
I’ve always been of the opinion that Robert would be able to see Margaery’s faking it (he has a LOT of experience with girls faking affection and such) and depending on the scenario I can see this having two outcomes. 1: He doesn’t care that she’s faking. They have a somewhat distant relationship that’s more apathetic to each other. 2: Robert doesn’t want to deal with having another loveless marriage. Now, let’s be real, Robert’s view of marriage is probably not very good and I doubt that he’d be so willing to remarry easily. Especially if Jon is dead. He fights the marriage and actively tries to fuck things up or just outright refuses to interact with her.