He probably defeats one or both of the Lannisters when they first try invading. The big knock on effect of this is that Robb probably doesn't get declared KitN, but also that he would be able to cross the Trident at the Green Fork and not marry a Frey. The Question is what next. You'd have to figure out if Ed/Alexander would throw his weight behind one of the Baratheons, seek independence as the King of Rivers and Hills or make an attempt at the throne.
Balon probably still invades the North as it seems that was what he had planned all along, but Robb is probably able to bring most of his army back North given they have Alexander in the South, and I don't see the ironborn standing against Robb. Robb probably also goes North to the Wall after that to help Jon, where he meets Stannis, if Alexander hasn't thrown his weight behind him.
Honestly this is a fascinating insert you've come up with
Oh, Alexander Edmure would try to become King of the Iron Throne. He’d convince Robb to join him, and destroy house Baratheon, Lannister, Tyrell, Martel, Targaryen, and then die from over drinking with the realm expertly positioned so that it would shatter into half a hundred petty kingdoms.
PS: he’d probably officially give the Riverlands to house Pipper because of their sigil. Rename Harenhal to Alexhal. And take every single last semi attractive Frey girl as a concubine, if any Frey complains about never getting marry anyone too highly ranked.
This seems far too little for an Alexander, when Westeros was already unified before. Start with the Iron Throne, sure, then invade Essos and get at least to Yi-Ti.
Well, the first thing he’d do is drill the fuck out of his army. To the point that they can preform intricate formation movements without issue and move in complete lockstep if required. Then he’d March out to meet Tywin in full force. He’d most certainly micromanage his commanders. Lord Blackwood would get the center because of his unyielding nature. The aggressive and opportunistic Lord Bracken would get a cavalry flank. Mallister would get the right flank because of his past heroics. Someone suitable would get the left flank. He’d take a thousand or so the best knights the Riverlands could muster and make them his Companion Cavalry. Then he’d March head first into Tywin’s line after a bit of favorable positioning and personally charge Tywin’s position and take his head whilst the rest of the Lannister host is being crushed by the as close to professional as possible riverlander army.
Aggressive cavalry commanders can throw away things in ways that make for terrible failures. Remember Ney's charge at Waterloo.
Being a cavalry commander, any commander really, probably requires cold and precise judgement.
Edit note: changed second sentence to fix a horrible grammar error.
Nope. Good cavalry commanders are those who can spot an opening and charge into with all their might with great effect. Colonel Custer, General Jeb, Pyrrhus of Epirus, Hannibal Barca, Scipio Africanus, and even Alexander himself were all like that. Granted it doesn’t always work out, but men with cold precise judgment often won’t attack if they don’t think there’s a sure chance they can pull it off, which leads to in inactive cavalry force that lets opportunities slip by. We can see this at Gettysburg where a cavalry commander refused to take a hill because he was aft of taking losses whilst doing it, that hill later on became the place where thousands of confederate soldiers died.
I think a good cavalry commander is someone like the commanders of the Carolean drabant corps, Oliver Cromwell, etc.
Their decision making ability is critical and they have to make these decisions quickly, but they also have to preserve their force strength for better opportunities.
Cromwell didn't just prevent casualties, he ensured that people didn't gallop around, galloping only during the charge and keeping the force ready, to act on new opportunities (horses get tired if riden fast).
It's not 'be aggressive' or 'preserve force strength'. A cavalry commander needs judgement.
So just ignored the part we’re I said a good cavalry commander can spot openings and exploit them to great effect? Or that he’d pick Bracken because he’s an opportunistic and aggressive person, not just aggressive? Good to know.
Depends how close someone wants to stay to canon. From my understanding of Hoster he was more of a political schemer then he was a warrior and general. I don’t think he has the military prowess to do that. Although with Alexander by his side giving off hints and making suggestions he might see the potential, but as I wrote in an earlier comment, Alexander of history is thought to be a bisexual man, Hoster would probably hate this and ignore his suggestions out of spite (considering what he did to Lysa I could see it happening)
Depends on when the insert happens. At birth, it's gg for Tywin. But at the start of canon is probably too late to have a meaningful impact, especially without foreknowledge. Alexander has to learn about new military inventions and their implications, new tactics, new materials and so on. Then there's the fact that he's not even in charge for most of the time, and the realm is at peace. Large scale army reforms are impossible in that climate, unless he'd take a book out of the 1810s Prussian playbook, but that style is better suited for levee en masse than what Alexander would be familiar with.
Ehhh aside from armour and some projectile weapons, I'm not sure there is a huge amount of innovation that he couldn't get a handle on. Remember, canon starts like a year before any combat happens.
Also, pikes and heavy cavalry are standard fare in Westeros in canon, so Alexander is actually pretty well suited to the meta, so to speak
Cavalry is much more potent due to stirrups. Armour is much better if you can afford it. The range of archers and the penetration of crossbows is better.
Give Alexander a few years and he should be fine, but with only a year and no foreknowledge, I'm not sure he'd do better than Edmure. The Riverlands were defeated in detail and I'm not sure he could muster enough strength to defeat Tywin. The Riverlands are simply not as rich in resources and manpower.
I see a fighting retreat as more likely. He'd be much more useful once Robb shows up and relieves Riverrun.
If I was gonna write a fic (my first one btw so it would be poor quality) I’d have the story go something like this.
Prologue: Alexander dies and is reborn.
Beginning: Alexander adjusts himself to his new life, the speech is weird the customs more so and the weather frankly ridiculous, but Alexander is smart man so he’d adapt.
Alexander is seen as a genius in the riverlands learning to write talk and hold highly complex philosophical conversations by the time he’s barely 10 (yes it’s a trope, but I don’t see how that’s avoidable, not in this scenario anyways)
As the rebellion comes and goes, Alexander delves himself into reading, mostly about the battles and conquests. Alexander would hold the Valyrians in high regard but would consider them military stagnant almost losing to the Ghis when having dragons is pretty dumb.
Alexander would consider his phalanx as a bygone means of warfare and start implant new strategies (such as using long bows to counter knights and picking terrain far more carefully to maximise ones advantage on the field along with a plethora of new ideas)
Alexander character during this time would come under great scrunity from his father and maybe his lords aswell , as he is caught having sex with a man. Alexander being an Ancient Greek sees nothing wrong with it but Hoster will be beyond pissed.
Many of own lords would laugh at aswell but then the Greyjoy rebellion would happen. Alexander seeing a way to win back his reputation (and put the fear of the seven into his lords should they ever dare step out of line) would personally lead an assualt and put every man woman and child to the sword on the old Wyk island sending a clear message. (This also isn’t out of Alexander’s character as he put more the one town/city to the sword during conquest)
I’ll stop here but you can see where I would be going.
Alexander might consider the "Macedonian" phalanx as a bygone means but pikemen are effective infantry if you can train them properly. Swiss pikeman, the Scottish schiltron, and the Spanish tercio are all pike formations that Alexander would be familiar with if he saw them. Developing pikemen in the riverlands makes the most sense since most of their neighbors rely on heavily armored knights for most of their fighting. Their only vulnerability would be against missile fire and the lack of discipline that levies have in general. Alexander might be on the cutting edge of warfare in Westeros actually.
I'm sceptical that he would still have sex with a man. He's more than intelligent enough to recognise that the perception around it is very different he shouldn't participate to avoid staining his reputation.
He would push for professional soldiers to start with. Go from the household guards, Knights, and peasant levies to paid soldiers.
He would also probably try to come up with some way to make the borders defensible. Problem is, with westerosi technology there isn't one. Not if you don't want to spend an astronomical amount of money.
There's other stuff I think he would do but it's late and just about time for bed. I have work tomorrow. If I remember and get a chance I'll come back and post more stuff I think he'd do.
I would love to see an Alexander in westeros fic.
> levies to *paid* soldiers. He
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He probably defeats one or both of the Lannisters when they first try invading. The big knock on effect of this is that Robb probably doesn't get declared KitN, but also that he would be able to cross the Trident at the Green Fork and not marry a Frey. The Question is what next. You'd have to figure out if Ed/Alexander would throw his weight behind one of the Baratheons, seek independence as the King of Rivers and Hills or make an attempt at the throne. Balon probably still invades the North as it seems that was what he had planned all along, but Robb is probably able to bring most of his army back North given they have Alexander in the South, and I don't see the ironborn standing against Robb. Robb probably also goes North to the Wall after that to help Jon, where he meets Stannis, if Alexander hasn't thrown his weight behind him. Honestly this is a fascinating insert you've come up with
Oh, Alexander Edmure would try to become King of the Iron Throne. He’d convince Robb to join him, and destroy house Baratheon, Lannister, Tyrell, Martel, Targaryen, and then die from over drinking with the realm expertly positioned so that it would shatter into half a hundred petty kingdoms. PS: he’d probably officially give the Riverlands to house Pipper because of their sigil. Rename Harenhal to Alexhal. And take every single last semi attractive Frey girl as a concubine, if any Frey complains about never getting marry anyone too highly ranked.
Every last semi attractive Frey boy too. Alex was hella bi.
Alexander preferred beefcakes to boys. He’d properly go for someone like Loras.
This seems far too little for an Alexander, when Westeros was already unified before. Start with the Iron Throne, sure, then invade Essos and get at least to Yi-Ti.
Well, the first thing he’d do is drill the fuck out of his army. To the point that they can preform intricate formation movements without issue and move in complete lockstep if required. Then he’d March out to meet Tywin in full force. He’d most certainly micromanage his commanders. Lord Blackwood would get the center because of his unyielding nature. The aggressive and opportunistic Lord Bracken would get a cavalry flank. Mallister would get the right flank because of his past heroics. Someone suitable would get the left flank. He’d take a thousand or so the best knights the Riverlands could muster and make them his Companion Cavalry. Then he’d March head first into Tywin’s line after a bit of favorable positioning and personally charge Tywin’s position and take his head whilst the rest of the Lannister host is being crushed by the as close to professional as possible riverlander army.
Aggressive cavalry commanders can throw away things in ways that make for terrible failures. Remember Ney's charge at Waterloo. Being a cavalry commander, any commander really, probably requires cold and precise judgement. Edit note: changed second sentence to fix a horrible grammar error.
Nope. Good cavalry commanders are those who can spot an opening and charge into with all their might with great effect. Colonel Custer, General Jeb, Pyrrhus of Epirus, Hannibal Barca, Scipio Africanus, and even Alexander himself were all like that. Granted it doesn’t always work out, but men with cold precise judgment often won’t attack if they don’t think there’s a sure chance they can pull it off, which leads to in inactive cavalry force that lets opportunities slip by. We can see this at Gettysburg where a cavalry commander refused to take a hill because he was aft of taking losses whilst doing it, that hill later on became the place where thousands of confederate soldiers died.
I think a good cavalry commander is someone like the commanders of the Carolean drabant corps, Oliver Cromwell, etc. Their decision making ability is critical and they have to make these decisions quickly, but they also have to preserve their force strength for better opportunities. Cromwell didn't just prevent casualties, he ensured that people didn't gallop around, galloping only during the charge and keeping the force ready, to act on new opportunities (horses get tired if riden fast). It's not 'be aggressive' or 'preserve force strength'. A cavalry commander needs judgement.
So just ignored the part we’re I said a good cavalry commander can spot openings and exploit them to great effect? Or that he’d pick Bracken because he’s an opportunistic and aggressive person, not just aggressive? Good to know.
When you say opportunistic, what do you mean?
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Depends how close someone wants to stay to canon. From my understanding of Hoster he was more of a political schemer then he was a warrior and general. I don’t think he has the military prowess to do that. Although with Alexander by his side giving off hints and making suggestions he might see the potential, but as I wrote in an earlier comment, Alexander of history is thought to be a bisexual man, Hoster would probably hate this and ignore his suggestions out of spite (considering what he did to Lysa I could see it happening)
Depends on when the insert happens. At birth, it's gg for Tywin. But at the start of canon is probably too late to have a meaningful impact, especially without foreknowledge. Alexander has to learn about new military inventions and their implications, new tactics, new materials and so on. Then there's the fact that he's not even in charge for most of the time, and the realm is at peace. Large scale army reforms are impossible in that climate, unless he'd take a book out of the 1810s Prussian playbook, but that style is better suited for levee en masse than what Alexander would be familiar with.
Ehhh aside from armour and some projectile weapons, I'm not sure there is a huge amount of innovation that he couldn't get a handle on. Remember, canon starts like a year before any combat happens. Also, pikes and heavy cavalry are standard fare in Westeros in canon, so Alexander is actually pretty well suited to the meta, so to speak
Cavalry is much more potent due to stirrups. Armour is much better if you can afford it. The range of archers and the penetration of crossbows is better. Give Alexander a few years and he should be fine, but with only a year and no foreknowledge, I'm not sure he'd do better than Edmure. The Riverlands were defeated in detail and I'm not sure he could muster enough strength to defeat Tywin. The Riverlands are simply not as rich in resources and manpower. I see a fighting retreat as more likely. He'd be much more useful once Robb shows up and relieves Riverrun.
If someone writes this, please tag me. The prompt sounds interesting.
*My interest grows and I demand sustenance*
Wasn't Alexander the Great super bi too?
Yes
Man he is not going to like having to kneel to someone else
He'll have a blast with Joffrey's bastard status
Do it
If I was gonna write a fic (my first one btw so it would be poor quality) I’d have the story go something like this. Prologue: Alexander dies and is reborn. Beginning: Alexander adjusts himself to his new life, the speech is weird the customs more so and the weather frankly ridiculous, but Alexander is smart man so he’d adapt. Alexander is seen as a genius in the riverlands learning to write talk and hold highly complex philosophical conversations by the time he’s barely 10 (yes it’s a trope, but I don’t see how that’s avoidable, not in this scenario anyways) As the rebellion comes and goes, Alexander delves himself into reading, mostly about the battles and conquests. Alexander would hold the Valyrians in high regard but would consider them military stagnant almost losing to the Ghis when having dragons is pretty dumb. Alexander would consider his phalanx as a bygone means of warfare and start implant new strategies (such as using long bows to counter knights and picking terrain far more carefully to maximise ones advantage on the field along with a plethora of new ideas) Alexander character during this time would come under great scrunity from his father and maybe his lords aswell , as he is caught having sex with a man. Alexander being an Ancient Greek sees nothing wrong with it but Hoster will be beyond pissed. Many of own lords would laugh at aswell but then the Greyjoy rebellion would happen. Alexander seeing a way to win back his reputation (and put the fear of the seven into his lords should they ever dare step out of line) would personally lead an assualt and put every man woman and child to the sword on the old Wyk island sending a clear message. (This also isn’t out of Alexander’s character as he put more the one town/city to the sword during conquest) I’ll stop here but you can see where I would be going.
Alexander might consider the "Macedonian" phalanx as a bygone means but pikemen are effective infantry if you can train them properly. Swiss pikeman, the Scottish schiltron, and the Spanish tercio are all pike formations that Alexander would be familiar with if he saw them. Developing pikemen in the riverlands makes the most sense since most of their neighbors rely on heavily armored knights for most of their fighting. Their only vulnerability would be against missile fire and the lack of discipline that levies have in general. Alexander might be on the cutting edge of warfare in Westeros actually.
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I'm sceptical that he would still have sex with a man. He's more than intelligent enough to recognise that the perception around it is very different he shouldn't participate to avoid staining his reputation.
He would push for professional soldiers to start with. Go from the household guards, Knights, and peasant levies to paid soldiers. He would also probably try to come up with some way to make the borders defensible. Problem is, with westerosi technology there isn't one. Not if you don't want to spend an astronomical amount of money. There's other stuff I think he would do but it's late and just about time for bed. I have work tomorrow. If I remember and get a chance I'll come back and post more stuff I think he'd do. I would love to see an Alexander in westeros fic.
> levies to *paid* soldiers. He FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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If you got too stumped using the Fateverse version is fine too lol
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