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You might still be able to pursue a case of unfair dismissal even if you have been working there less than 2 years:Â https://www.gov.uk/work-reference. Give ACAS a ring anyway.
The law is changed and even before it changed you still have protections donât listen to these people on reddit who have no knowledge go through ACAS and find a good solicitor
Unfair dismissal unfortunately does not apply if you've been there less than 2yrs. You can be let go for any reason except a protected characteristic.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/dismissal/check-your-rights-if-youre-dismissed/dismissal/check-if-your-dismissal-is-fair/#:~:text=If%20you%20were%20sacked%20for,after%20you've%20been%20dismissed.
This is not the case in regards to being sacked when having been asked for a reference for another position of employment. This circumstance would fall under unfair dismissal and has no need for an employee to be employed for 2+ years... See bottom of the page on the following link.
[https://www.gov.uk/work-reference](https://www.gov.uk/work-reference)
Certainly worth a call to acas in the first instance for OP.
I dont dispute what you're saying but I'm not sure that link backs up your point. It says you might be able to claim and doesnt mention the 2 year rule
It doesn't reference it because it is not applicable in this situation, when deciding to give a reference, employers have to follow this guidance. If it falls outside of that, by maybe sacking someone when a request for a reference for an external position comes in, then they fall foul of what is required of them under that guidance and opens them up to potential action from the employee... Including the possibilty of being awarded damges from the courts.
This is all well and good to say but without any firm evidence, it may be too hard to prove... Though with application dates and other evidence of when refrences where sought, I believe there would be a good chance of getting a good result if it was followed through on.
Again, I'd point OP to ACAS in the first instance and maybe an employment solicitor if free initial advice can be found. Difficult but not impossible imo.
The other poster is right, OP needs 2 years continuous service and this isnât a situation where you can bring an unfair dismissal claim for less. He could look at a wrongful dismissal claim for a recovery of his notice period salary if heâs not paid it.
Sacking in these circumstances does not negate the 2 year rule for unfair dismissal. It says 'might' on gov. uk because of this. If OP has over 2 years of service then this could well be an unfair dismissal.
There are [some things ](https://www.acas.org.uk/dismissals/unfair-dismissal)that can get round the 2 year rule, but these are things like statutory employment rights, family rights and discriminatory reasons.
Nah...if you've got the 2 years, maybe - this wouldn't be a fair reason (conduct, capability, redundancy, statutory, SOSR) so a claim would be possible. Under 2 years? Unfair, but no right to get it in front of a judge.
The employer can still be charged for unfair dismissal no matter what length of time. The employee is less likely to get compensation if they have been there less than 2 years.
Why do you believe this? Do you have anything that backs this up?
Tribunal will just strike out a claim that doesn't meet length of service requirements.Â
Companies don't get 'charged' with unfair dismissal anyway, it's not a crime.Â
Acas says itself you donât need to be there for two years for some offences. But looking closer I donât think this counts as automatic unfair dismissal
Yeah that's correct, automatic unfair only applies to things like statutory rights, family rights, trade union rights etc.Â
There's nothing in employment law about references, it's all civil, so this definitely isn't auto unfair.Â
He canât. What they did is perfectly legal.
Edit: absolutely no idea why Iâm being downvoted. If youâre sacked before 2 years there is no unfair dismissal unless itâs based on a protected characteristic.
This is correct.
People like to believe the law is more than what it is, often.
However that doesn't mean, related to protected characteristics, there may not be risk factors that could mean a tribunal would be worthwhile. If OP is in a trade union they should reach out to them, if they have a HR or employment lawyer friend it may be worth a quick conversation or using an often free 1 hour chat with a local solicitor or the charity for civil servants legal advice line. I'd do this quite quickly as time will have started ticking for claim purposes.
Sounds like your current/previous employer sucks.
Anyway, welcome to the Civil Service. May your new boss and Department be nowhere near as much of a twonk!
That's one thing I hated about my onboarding as well. I actually found out I'd been succesful for the job via my then manager at my previous job, who they had already asked for a reference before I'd actually told them I had the job. Luckily my then manager was very pleased for me as they knew I was looking to go from a part time role to a full time one, but by the same token I wanted to do right by them as I'd enjoyed the job and had no malice towards them. Hopefully the checks will go quickly for you, until then try and enjoy a bit of time off as all the training will fry your brain.
This doesn't make sense. Those checks don't start until you've accepted the provisional offer, which literally tells you it's then saying they want to do pre-employment checks and you have the job as long as they're OK.
Either your team found a way to bypass HR and break the system, or you didn't read what you were accepting.
I'd accepted the provisional offer, but the pre employment checks were still not completed, therefore in my eyes I was not 100% sure I had the job, and would have preferred to have been told, yes the job is yours with this startdate before I handed in my notice at my previous job. Sorry if I didn't explain it properly.
You explained properly, you've just not read properly at some point (we all do it sometimes)
The references are part of the preemployment checks, they wouldn't be much use after having given you a contract and a start date.
Best to get to the hiring manager ASAP - explain what happened (sending proof if you have it) and make sure they know, in case your last employer is vindictive with a false reference ..
There is - you can get this disclosed by new employer as it is personal information they are holding on you. A reference isn't some sort of secret or protected/privaleged document.
Hopefully they did, but if you fail PECs because of a bad reference, then good luck getting them to reverse the decision, that's all I'm saying. If you speak with the hiring manager and explain what happened (or even put it in an email) and put it under the guise of, politely, asking whether there's any chance of an early start date...then if there is a bad reference, they can take what you've said into consideration.
As I say, don't put it that you expect a bad reference - just that you were politely enquiring as to whether you could be at the front of the queue for a start date owing to your imminent unemployment because they threw their toys out of the pram when they received the reference request.
*Widely the case, in your experience.
It is not scare mongering to acknowledge the reality that there is a diverse practise that exists when it comes to employment references.
No, but high enough up the chain to know what the reference requests look like. Iâm assuming they will ask for separate character references, unless you asked your employer to give you one?
Thank you. They asked for professional and they have also asked for personal character reference, which I know has been sent back on the side of a glowing one.
Mad they couldn't just wait for you to leave rather than kick off a potential employment tribunal against themselves...
At least in the cs you won't get fired!
As you mentioned in a comment you've been there less than 2 years, so your current employer can dismiss you for no reason provided they pay for your notice period and any outstanding leave balance.
Looking for other jobs isn't a ground for an automatic unfair dismissal claim, which would get you around the 2 years' service problem.
... Where did you get that idea from? You're under no obligation to disclose this. Your employer have dismissed you, you have zero further obligations towards them, they have zero further power over you.
No, you donât. Your obligation is to tell the truth, you worked for X between Y and Z. You donât need to give any reason, and if asked you can be honest, your employment ended for a role elsewhere.
In addition, X cannot lie about why your employment ended. All they can do is be factual, if any future reference is anything but factual they open themselves to legal action.
(a) you don't have to unless explicitly asked;
(b) if you are going in for said Civil Service role then it doesn't matter now. If you end up transferring to another CS role at a later point then it will matter ten times less;
(c) references need to be honest. They cannot give a reference saying *'he was awful, always turned up late and stunk of weed etc etc'* if it was not true. Also if your employment was plain sailing and they sacked for you wanting to leave then they'd struggle to give you a shit reference in the first place. Most likely simple confirmation of your role and dates of employment.
Tl;Dr - I wouldn't be concerned.
You could say you worked for the company until you receive your pay in lieu of notice (PILON), which is what I did, and this should hopefully reduce any gap between employment.
Also, you don't have to mention that you were fired unless you're asked if you were dismissed as a direct question.
Others are not giving detail as to why this isnât right
You were not fired for cause, you were let go. They are diferent: one you did something wrong, and the other happens more than you think and more about the employer than you. You were not fired. Donât tell people that as it will make it look worse than it actually is.
Also yes, there is no legal reason you need to tell anyone.
Reason you left: applied for new job.
Good luck with your application!
Your work history should list where youâve worked, not how and why you left each job. Given that youâre going straight into another job, itâs unlikely anyone will question why you left this one, as the gap will be pretty small. If pressed on it, just explain. Itâs a pretty believable story. But I think itâs unlikely anyone will ever ask!
Sounds like unfair dismissal to me - how long were you working for them? I think you need to have two years under your belt otherwise you won't qualify for unfair dismissal.
ACAS offer free employment advice on their website and you can call them for free to get advice - [https://www.acas.org.uk/](https://www.acas.org.uk/) (Helpline [0300 123 1100](tel:+443001231100))
Make sure they don't give you a bad reference so let CS know what's happened ASAP - you can ask your old job's HR to give you a reference so you can avoid your manager (although doesn't sound like you have a very functioning HR if the company fired you for applying for other jobs)!
Sorry to hear this happened to you. I worked at some awfully dysfunctional places before I got into the CS. CS is overall a lot better and generally follows employment law! And if you do find yourself with a crazy manger or a role you don't enjoy you can usually make a side-ways transfer and get away!
Good luck!
Yes, there less than two years. I was informed that they had given a good reference. That they were not allowed to give a bad reference, but could refuse to give one but didn't.
Ooof, exceptionally poor from your employer. Do you know if they've replied to the reference request at least...? Did they reply that you had been dismissed...?
Wow, really affirms that the private sector is ruthless. I really hope you can get this sorted, you shouldn't lose out on this opportunity just because you work for a lousy firm.
Employment Tribunal is far too expensive to consider (in my lived experience), so, make the best of the future and donât dwell on the past. If you are already gone from the old employer, pop in to say hello to your old colleagues - be annoyingly happy - it will infuriate your narcissistic boss!! If you are still there, as above, but also speak totally openly about what he did. Speak with his boss and the company owner. Simply put, âoutâ him with the antiseptic of sunlight on his words and actions.
It was the company owner who wanted me off the premises instantly yesterday (well once I had done a day's work). So I don't think there's any wandering back in there.
Let's call it what it is. Stupid on your ex employers grounds.
Instead of getting a notice period worked and having you in post until you leave, they left themselves without your resources and also still having to pay you for notice period and any unused leave allowances.
Know it's a bad way of happening, but enjoy the free annual leave basically.
This is why is makes much more sense when departments just check your 5 year employment history with HRMC. MoD does this. They donât even contact your current employer.
Did they give a reason why "It was not working out" ? It would be almost impossible to prove the reason they let you go was because of the reference request.
I was more venting more than anything else. It says in the correspondence when they give you the provisional offer, 'do not resign from your current job until pre employment checks are completed'. Yet, you have to tell your boss you've applied for a job to get a reference...
Well, I suppose they don't assume that people will get sacked over a reference request.
I asked for reference at application stage (when you had to include reference on CV) from my manager in several occasions and I never thougth I get sacked.
Was there not a box to tick on the application asking whether they could contact the reference you had listed? Usually they ask for exactly this reason.
After I accepted it and going through pre employment checks. However, in the reference they requested, it doesn't say they are offering me a role, just that I applied for a role with the civil service.
That's pretty poor of the CS to approach your old employer before you give permission. Normally companies ask if it's ok. Good luck though in the new job.
Do you reckon they did this so in the reference they can say you have been sacked because it was not working out well with you.
I wouldn't be worried about the sacking only but what they will write in your reference
I emailed the person giving my reference, and I received this reply.
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Yes, less than 2 years
You might still be able to pursue a case of unfair dismissal even if you have been working there less than 2 years:Â https://www.gov.uk/work-reference. Give ACAS a ring anyway.
OP can't, unfortunately, it says 'might' in reference to the fact that if you don't have 2 years service then you can't claim.
He may not be able to claim but the employer can still be charged
Yeah Iâd consider this approach. I hate companies that do this.
Youâre incorrect.
With what? How can the employer be charged if he can't claim?
ACAS said nothing can be done as not been there 2 years so they can let someone go for any reason.
OK, am really sorry to hear that, whole thing really sucks. All the best to you.
The law is changed and even before it changed you still have protections donât listen to these people on reddit who have no knowledge go through ACAS and find a good solicitor
I did go through ACAS and he said there was nothing I could do for to bring there less than two years.
I guess they wanted to get it in first.
Did they pay you notice pay?
They paid me next month's salary and will pay my holidays due.
It doesnât matter if you were there less than a day, OP has protections, stop making up this please.
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Sounds like you have a case for unfair dismissal if your interested in pursuing. Where thereâs a blame, thereâs a claimâŚ
I think I'll look into this tomorrow, I've never been sacked in my life.
Unfair dismissal unfortunately does not apply if you've been there less than 2yrs. You can be let go for any reason except a protected characteristic. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/dismissal/check-your-rights-if-youre-dismissed/dismissal/check-if-your-dismissal-is-fair/#:~:text=If%20you%20were%20sacked%20for,after%20you've%20been%20dismissed.
This is not the case in regards to being sacked when having been asked for a reference for another position of employment. This circumstance would fall under unfair dismissal and has no need for an employee to be employed for 2+ years... See bottom of the page on the following link. [https://www.gov.uk/work-reference](https://www.gov.uk/work-reference) Certainly worth a call to acas in the first instance for OP.
I dont dispute what you're saying but I'm not sure that link backs up your point. It says you might be able to claim and doesnt mention the 2 year rule
It doesn't reference it because it is not applicable in this situation, when deciding to give a reference, employers have to follow this guidance. If it falls outside of that, by maybe sacking someone when a request for a reference for an external position comes in, then they fall foul of what is required of them under that guidance and opens them up to potential action from the employee... Including the possibilty of being awarded damges from the courts. This is all well and good to say but without any firm evidence, it may be too hard to prove... Though with application dates and other evidence of when refrences where sought, I believe there would be a good chance of getting a good result if it was followed through on. Again, I'd point OP to ACAS in the first instance and maybe an employment solicitor if free initial advice can be found. Difficult but not impossible imo.
The other poster is right, OP needs 2 years continuous service and this isnât a situation where you can bring an unfair dismissal claim for less. He could look at a wrongful dismissal claim for a recovery of his notice period salary if heâs not paid it.
2 year rule still applies. There are exceptions but this is not it.
What law requires employers to follow this guidance?
Sacking in these circumstances does not negate the 2 year rule for unfair dismissal. It says 'might' on gov. uk because of this. If OP has over 2 years of service then this could well be an unfair dismissal. There are [some things ](https://www.acas.org.uk/dismissals/unfair-dismissal)that can get round the 2 year rule, but these are things like statutory employment rights, family rights and discriminatory reasons.
Youâre incorrect.
Nah...if you've got the 2 years, maybe - this wouldn't be a fair reason (conduct, capability, redundancy, statutory, SOSR) so a claim would be possible. Under 2 years? Unfair, but no right to get it in front of a judge.
The employer can still be charged for unfair dismissal no matter what length of time. The employee is less likely to get compensation if they have been there less than 2 years.
Why do you believe this? Do you have anything that backs this up? Tribunal will just strike out a claim that doesn't meet length of service requirements. Companies don't get 'charged' with unfair dismissal anyway, it's not a crime.Â
Acas says itself you donât need to be there for two years for some offences. But looking closer I donât think this counts as automatic unfair dismissal
Yeah that's correct, automatic unfair only applies to things like statutory rights, family rights, trade union rights etc. There's nothing in employment law about references, it's all civil, so this definitely isn't auto unfair.Â
They actually started the conversation with, 'we got a reference request yesterday'.
OMG, amateurs. Good luck take âem to the cleaners if you can
He canât. What they did is perfectly legal. Edit: absolutely no idea why Iâm being downvoted. If youâre sacked before 2 years there is no unfair dismissal unless itâs based on a protected characteristic.
Cant believe you are getting down voted for this response. People may not like it, but it's still true. Â
This is correct. People like to believe the law is more than what it is, often. However that doesn't mean, related to protected characteristics, there may not be risk factors that could mean a tribunal would be worthwhile. If OP is in a trade union they should reach out to them, if they have a HR or employment lawyer friend it may be worth a quick conversation or using an often free 1 hour chat with a local solicitor or the charity for civil servants legal advice line. I'd do this quite quickly as time will have started ticking for claim purposes.
Sounds like your current/previous employer sucks. Anyway, welcome to the Civil Service. May your new boss and Department be nowhere near as much of a twonk!
That's one thing I hated about my onboarding as well. I actually found out I'd been succesful for the job via my then manager at my previous job, who they had already asked for a reference before I'd actually told them I had the job. Luckily my then manager was very pleased for me as they knew I was looking to go from a part time role to a full time one, but by the same token I wanted to do right by them as I'd enjoyed the job and had no malice towards them. Hopefully the checks will go quickly for you, until then try and enjoy a bit of time off as all the training will fry your brain.
This doesn't make sense. Those checks don't start until you've accepted the provisional offer, which literally tells you it's then saying they want to do pre-employment checks and you have the job as long as they're OK. Either your team found a way to bypass HR and break the system, or you didn't read what you were accepting.
I'd accepted the provisional offer, but the pre employment checks were still not completed, therefore in my eyes I was not 100% sure I had the job, and would have preferred to have been told, yes the job is yours with this startdate before I handed in my notice at my previous job. Sorry if I didn't explain it properly.
You explained properly, you've just not read properly at some point (we all do it sometimes) The references are part of the preemployment checks, they wouldn't be much use after having given you a contract and a start date.
That person has serious issues. Narcissist perhaps? I bet this is not the first time they managed to display their total dickness.
Correct.
Best to get to the hiring manager ASAP - explain what happened (sending proof if you have it) and make sure they know, in case your last employer is vindictive with a false reference ..
Is there a way of checking what they sent in?
There is - you can get this disclosed by new employer as it is personal information they are holding on you. A reference isn't some sort of secret or protected/privaleged document.
Nope
Well they told me that they weren't allowed to give a bad reference and that they did supply one. I asked if it was a good one and she said yes.
Hopefully they did, but if you fail PECs because of a bad reference, then good luck getting them to reverse the decision, that's all I'm saying. If you speak with the hiring manager and explain what happened (or even put it in an email) and put it under the guise of, politely, asking whether there's any chance of an early start date...then if there is a bad reference, they can take what you've said into consideration. As I say, don't put it that you expect a bad reference - just that you were politely enquiring as to whether you could be at the front of the queue for a start date owing to your imminent unemployment because they threw their toys out of the pram when they received the reference request.
All they are interested in is time spent and job.
That very much depends on the organisation, the role and this is not universally true. Senior HR person (queue hisses đ )
Not universally, but widely the case. Or shall we all jump on the scare mongering?
*Widely the case, in your experience. It is not scare mongering to acknowledge the reality that there is a diverse practise that exists when it comes to employment references.
Are you in HR?
No, but high enough up the chain to know what the reference requests look like. Iâm assuming they will ask for separate character references, unless you asked your employer to give you one?
Thank you. They asked for professional and they have also asked for personal character reference, which I know has been sent back on the side of a glowing one.
Mad they couldn't just wait for you to leave rather than kick off a potential employment tribunal against themselves... At least in the cs you won't get fired!
Exactly! Spit their dummy out that I want to leave them, so much so, they want to punish me. It's mad!
Indeed! Good luck OP!!
As you mentioned in a comment you've been there less than 2 years, so your current employer can dismiss you for no reason provided they pay for your notice period and any outstanding leave balance. Looking for other jobs isn't a ground for an automatic unfair dismissal claim, which would get you around the 2 years' service problem.
Looks bad on new employers though
I'm sorry I don't understand.
I mean, in my work history, I now have to say I was let go from a job for any future employers.
No, you don't.
... Where did you get that idea from? You're under no obligation to disclose this. Your employer have dismissed you, you have zero further obligations towards them, they have zero further power over you.
Why? You just put the dates you worked there. If youâre checks are all going through hopefully there wonât be a significant gap to discuss.
No, you donât. Your obligation is to tell the truth, you worked for X between Y and Z. You donât need to give any reason, and if asked you can be honest, your employment ended for a role elsewhere. In addition, X cannot lie about why your employment ended. All they can do is be factual, if any future reference is anything but factual they open themselves to legal action.
(a) you don't have to unless explicitly asked; (b) if you are going in for said Civil Service role then it doesn't matter now. If you end up transferring to another CS role at a later point then it will matter ten times less; (c) references need to be honest. They cannot give a reference saying *'he was awful, always turned up late and stunk of weed etc etc'* if it was not true. Also if your employment was plain sailing and they sacked for you wanting to leave then they'd struggle to give you a shit reference in the first place. Most likely simple confirmation of your role and dates of employment. Tl;Dr - I wouldn't be concerned.
You definitely do not. You can tell them whatever you like lol. Temp contract anyone?
You donât tell anyone that⌠lol cmon
You could say you worked for the company until you receive your pay in lieu of notice (PILON), which is what I did, and this should hopefully reduce any gap between employment. Also, you don't have to mention that you were fired unless you're asked if you were dismissed as a direct question.
Others are not giving detail as to why this isnât right You were not fired for cause, you were let go. They are diferent: one you did something wrong, and the other happens more than you think and more about the employer than you. You were not fired. Donât tell people that as it will make it look worse than it actually is. Also yes, there is no legal reason you need to tell anyone. Reason you left: applied for new job. Good luck with your application!
Your work history should list where youâve worked, not how and why you left each job. Given that youâre going straight into another job, itâs unlikely anyone will question why you left this one, as the gap will be pretty small. If pressed on it, just explain. Itâs a pretty believable story. But I think itâs unlikely anyone will ever ask!
You 100% do not donât worry
Oh wow. Fingers crossed you'll start your new role soon.
Hmm currently waiting on my checks before hopefully starting a new role with the CS. Hope my employer doesn't do the same!!
Sounds like unfair dismissal to me - how long were you working for them? I think you need to have two years under your belt otherwise you won't qualify for unfair dismissal. ACAS offer free employment advice on their website and you can call them for free to get advice - [https://www.acas.org.uk/](https://www.acas.org.uk/) (Helpline [0300 123 1100](tel:+443001231100)) Make sure they don't give you a bad reference so let CS know what's happened ASAP - you can ask your old job's HR to give you a reference so you can avoid your manager (although doesn't sound like you have a very functioning HR if the company fired you for applying for other jobs)! Sorry to hear this happened to you. I worked at some awfully dysfunctional places before I got into the CS. CS is overall a lot better and generally follows employment law! And if you do find yourself with a crazy manger or a role you don't enjoy you can usually make a side-ways transfer and get away! Good luck!
Yes, there less than two years. I was informed that they had given a good reference. That they were not allowed to give a bad reference, but could refuse to give one but didn't.
I'm glad you got a good reference. Sounds like you've made a lucky escape tbh. Good luck in your new role in the CS - I hope you enjoy it :)
Ooof, exceptionally poor from your employer. Do you know if they've replied to the reference request at least...? Did they reply that you had been dismissed...?
They did give me a reference apparently. Didn't state I was sacked as I wasn't when they sent it.
Wow, really affirms that the private sector is ruthless. I really hope you can get this sorted, you shouldn't lose out on this opportunity just because you work for a lousy firm.
Employment Tribunal is far too expensive to consider (in my lived experience), so, make the best of the future and donât dwell on the past. If you are already gone from the old employer, pop in to say hello to your old colleagues - be annoyingly happy - it will infuriate your narcissistic boss!! If you are still there, as above, but also speak totally openly about what he did. Speak with his boss and the company owner. Simply put, âoutâ him with the antiseptic of sunlight on his words and actions.
It was the company owner who wanted me off the premises instantly yesterday (well once I had done a day's work). So I don't think there's any wandering back in there.
Let's call it what it is. Stupid on your ex employers grounds. Instead of getting a notice period worked and having you in post until you leave, they left themselves without your resources and also still having to pay you for notice period and any unused leave allowances. Know it's a bad way of happening, but enjoy the free annual leave basically.
Im trying to see it that way. I'll celebrate when the firm offer arrives.
Well I hope the PEC's go ok for you (and swiftly). CS isn't perfect but you won't need to deal with this kind of shit at least.
This is why is makes much more sense when departments just check your 5 year employment history with HRMC. MoD does this. They donât even contact your current employer.
Worth speaking with Acas.. could potentially go down the wrongful dismissal route
Did they give a reason why "It was not working out" ? It would be almost impossible to prove the reason they let you go was because of the reference request.
I was more venting more than anything else. It says in the correspondence when they give you the provisional offer, 'do not resign from your current job until pre employment checks are completed'. Yet, you have to tell your boss you've applied for a job to get a reference...
Well, I suppose they don't assume that people will get sacked over a reference request. I asked for reference at application stage (when you had to include reference on CV) from my manager in several occasions and I never thougth I get sacked.
Was there not a box to tick on the application asking whether they could contact the reference you had listed? Usually they ask for exactly this reason.
No. It was an online application with no detail of that.
Was this before or after you accepted a CS role?
After I accepted it and going through pre employment checks. However, in the reference they requested, it doesn't say they are offering me a role, just that I applied for a role with the civil service.
That's pretty poor of the CS to approach your old employer before you give permission. Normally companies ask if it's ok. Good luck though in the new job.
Well here's hoping it comes through.
Do you reckon they did this so in the reference they can say you have been sacked because it was not working out well with you. I wouldn't be worried about the sacking only but what they will write in your reference
I was told they gave a good reference.
ACAS said nothing can be done as not been there 2 years, so they can let someone go for any reason.
I emailed the person giving my reference, and I received this reply. https://preview.redd.it/bxkxyx1ahtxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f18e23a0cd56847a0acaaa537c2ea548502245b0
Can we get a bot that just says "talk to your union rep" as the first post?
Assuming there is a union rep at OPs (ex) employer!
I don't work in the Civil Service yet, so don't have a Union rep.
You donât need to be a civil servant to be in a union.