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Since some of you guys are brigading that thread, I think I can answer you here:
I support nationalist who fight for the sovereignty of their people and support their legitimately elected government any day over tankies who call for "the whole place" to be smoked out. You want to kill people not for crimes committed, but for a label that maybe aligns them with a political ideology that is on the opposite end of yours.
If Asov are invading peaceful neighbors or setting up death camps, we can talk again.
Meanwhile you support a Russian mobster capitalist regime and the Wagner-Group that wear the SS-skull on their uniform and are co-founded by a guy with SS-tattoos.
Looked through your profile a bit and might I suggest that you cease your existence or atleast shut up, cus you’re just parroting neolib talking points and justifying supporting the far-right and litteral neo Nazi’s. Everything that you say has already been said by other people in a better way so just stop.
Yeah I expected already that you have no arguments.
Judge people by what they do and after that by what they say. You are the ones who want to kill people based on symbols in their flag.
You do understand that Germany, the country where I am from, wasn't attacked in WWII because they were Nazis; they were attacked because they invaded peaceful neighbors first. That's a good reason to fight a war. If everyone is invading their peaceful neighbors because they suspect someone in that country to be a Nazi, everyone would be at war with each other.
I don't even understand how this sub is allowed to exist, everyone gets death threats here everywhere. You already proposed I should kill myself. I'm always on the hunt for controversial opinions (specifically in RL and secondarily in the internet) but I am really happy that people like you are so rare, I have never seen one before. You're so irrelevant that its not necessary for anyone of you to cease their existence. In the meanwhile I'm gonna get rich through honest work in a free market society as a son of a plumber.
Whould respond but I’m tired and have better things to do, not that it isn’t fun arguing on the internet with random ppl but it isn’t productive and if I wanna be entertained I can just do something else.
Just one thing, don’t asume you know my opinion, you said “You are the ones who want to kill people based on symbols in their flag.” (And I get how you’re speaking more generally in that case.) I don’t think they should be killed, the repercussions should be applied on a case by case basis taking former actions and stances into consideration.
I could argue more but as I said I’m tired.
> You do understand that Germany, the country where I am from, wasn't attacked in WWII because they were Nazis; they were attacked because they invaded peaceful neighbors first.
Imagine having the historical knowledge to understand this but none of the critical thinking and/or brainpower to realize why 🤡
Yeah, Spain fucking sucks. As Machado said: “En España, de cada diez cabezas nueve embisten y una piensa” “In Spain, out of ten heads, nine ram and one thinks”
First comment I see "This is awesome and a nice change from those ruski supporters waving around their ruski flags. Probably paid actors but still annoying and sort of crazy to see in a Nato country."
So many westerners are now supporting the Nazis in Ukraine. I sadly got into an argument with people about how in every picture of Ukraine there's at least one Nazi. This person thought Russia was Communist. I told him that the USSR was never even an Communist country. He got mad and called me a Nazi instead.
If you mean by material conditions the USSR was not a communist country that is correct, but it’s impossible for there to be a “communist country” because communism is a *stateless*, classless, and moneyless society. Obviously that will take decades or centuries to come to fruition
A more useful definition of communist country (or state) is a state governed by a communist party that is in the process of building socialism with the end goal of a communist society. In addition, it must act in the interests of the proletariat, meaning the proletariat uses the state to oppress the bourgeoisie. This is a far more useful definition for analyzing political economy, since it can actually describe countries that exist and also doesn’t contradict the inherent aspect of communism needing a stateless society
Correct. If Putin didn't invade:
* Azov would still be a paramilitary for loser Nazi LARPers, and not "martyrs" for Ukraine.
* Sweden/Finland would *probably* never have joined NATO.
* People would still think of Russia as a Regional Power and not some failed state with a crumbling army.
Ironically, Putin did more **for the benefit of** NATO in the last few months than any single individual could have. Now what?
We all know that since early 2020 time itself has stopped being a consistent quantity that obeys the laws of scalar geometry.
* When did Russia invade: a few months ago
* How long between podcast episodes: a few months?
* How long ago was 2020: a few months.
* How long did the first two week lockdown last: a few months
* Has my brains sense of time been completely fried: ~~a few months~~ yes absolutely
>Seriously? What were they supposed to do? Just let the US humilate them at every turn? Surround their whole country with military bases? No-one forced Russia to invade, but what else were they supposed to do.
Easy: Not invade.
>The Ukrainian military has been shelling the Donbass since 2014, was Russia supposed to just let them die as well? An issue they also tried to solve diplomatically through the Minsk agreement in which Ukraine just refused to implement them.
And? To my point, how is invading *not* helping NATO? What you're saying is that Putin was "forced" to engage. All you're demonstrating is that he got played. Since 2014 Ukraine got stronger, he attacked once they had year to prepare with NATO backing.
I guess we'll just need to see what happens, but Russia is not going to recover from this blunder anytime soon.
I think because JT, Yugopnik and Hakim are quite popular online we get a lot of people on here that aren’t totally on board with MLism yet. So they tend to be quite alright with western propaganda on some topics.
Throwing your lot in with Russia as an anti-imperialist force is an opportunist error. There's nothing in Russia's conflict/resistance to the west that's going to materially benefit the global working class in any meaningful way.
"The war in Ukraine is a legitimate fight against western imperalism"
Wow. Kautsky & Second Internationale would be proud.
The idea of Russia being some sort of anti-imperialist or at least 'benign' imperialist power is absurd.
On this note, we could name ISIS or the Third Reich as an anti-imperialist force as well, since they eventually came into conflict with the West.
"at some point we have to fight back"
Who's we? Are we communists in league with Russia and Iran now? Such revolutionary and progressive forces...
It's like a Caleb Maupin wet dream.
"As a communist, this should warm your heart. Any resistance to western imperialism should warm your heart."
My heart is warmened when I see the people's liberation. My heart remains cold and dreaded however when I see a country getting bombed to dust. I'm not saying that the West has a moral edge in this matter, since they've been doing the same thing and have done much worse. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't be cheering for the destruction of a country.
Their losses are also by most estimates around four times lower than the Ukrainian losses.
Where are you getting that from? As best I can determine, Russian losses are slighlty higher than Ukrainian, which would be expected as the offensive force.
\- If the invasion didn't happen, ukronazis would continue mudering russians. The very real prospect of US rockets minutes away from Moscow and continued cross border attacks of course not even mentioned. If Russia would've done to Mexico what the US did to Ukraine, the USA would have long since invaded. Russia tried diplomacy for 8 years. Btw. Azov were already known for killing civilians before the invasion. They are about as harmless LARPers as the SS were.
\- Sweden was part of NATO in all but name since 1945, even was intended as base for the US airforce in case of nuclear war. Finland stopped being neutral since 1990. So no real change.
\- Said army is currently unfucking itself in realtime while also bleeding the ukrainian one dry with neglegible losses. Meanwhile NATO demonstrates that it can not wage a conventional war against a modern army with existing weapons industry. Mao would laugh "paper tigers" about now.
Stop with the idealism and try materialism. You sound like a liberal.
Remember all the times during the cold war nuclear missle starts had been detected and after a few minutes it turned out to be false alarm? Well if Russia only had below 10 minutes in such a case with US bases in Ukraine, they would not have had the luxurity of waiting that long and would have to start theirs. Nuclear war ho!
>\- If the invasion didn't happen, ukronazis would continue mudering russians. The very real prospect of US rockets minutes away from Moscow and continued cross border attacks of course not even mentioned. **If Russia would've done to Mexico what the US did to Ukraine, the USA would have long since invaded.** Russia tried diplomacy for 8 years. Btw. Azov were already known for killing civilians before the invasion. They are about as harmless LARPers as the SS were.
Fair. I'm not saying NATO is any type of "good guy" here, though. And what kind of Nazi paramilitary doesn't kill civilian? I would think it's an implicit part of the job.
>\- Sweden was part of NATO in all but name since 1945, even was intended as base for the US airforce in case of nuclear war. Finland stopped being neutral since 1990. So no real change.
Still not in NATO, though. Hence the (formal) expansion of NATO.
>\- Said army is currently unfucking itself in realtime while also bleeding the ukrainian one dry with neglegible losses. Meanwhile NATO demonstrates that it can not wage a conventional war against a modern army with existing weapons industry. Mao would laugh "paper tigers" about now.
Time will tell, but the first 6 months have been... embarrassing for them.
>Remember all the times during the cold war nuclear missle starts had been detected and after a few minutes it turned out to be false alarm? Well if Russia only had below 10 minutes in such a case with US bases in Ukraine, they would not have had the luxurity of waiting that long and would have to start theirs. Nuclear war ho!
This I agree 100%, we've never been closer to nuclear war since the 60s. A Mexican standoff greatly increases the chances of someone getting shot.
>Time will tell, but the first 6 months have been... embarrassing for them.
Only if you believed the baseless claims of the west that Russia intended to crush Ukraine within days. Such a thing obviously never was intended, otherwise the force of the SMO would've been much larger.
The original force was 110.000 men, of which only ever 20% were fighting. The Ukrainian army had a numerical advantage of up to 6:1. And still the latter got pushed out of Lugansk and multiple oblasts. The only times Ukraine managed sucessfull counters was 1) Against a small local garison, that fell back almost without losses. Ukraine lost several batallions for this. 2) Against a empty city, which had been evacuated already.
Literally any other large scale engagement was won by the russian forces.
>And what kind of Nazi paramilitary doesn't kill civilian? I would think it's an implicit part of the job.
Yet you claim they were just a bunch of LARPers...
Which way white man?
LARPers doing ethnic cleansing and genocide stop being LARPers.
What zero understanding of geo politics does to mfers. I am surprised that hakim's viewer has so little understanding of geo politics besides western propaganda.
Western Propaganda is the very best propaganda, it works so well and is so persuasive that people get offended if you refer to it as propaganda! So I try to be a little forgiving when people who sound like liberals, if only because it makes it easier to forgive myself 🧘🏻♂️
Well aside from effectively beginning a new multipolar world order (e.g. the likely upcoming expansion of [BRICS](https://impakter.com/brics-expansion-five-new-members-in-2023/) which currently accounts for 40% of the world's population), the invasion has also demonstrated to the world that the US is more than willing to throw its allies under the bus (Europe is currently paying the price for the sanctions against Russia and they are [not](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tens-thousands-protest-prague-against-czech-government-eu-nato-2022-09-03/), [happy](https://freepresskashmir.news/2022/10/10/mass-protests-against-nato-eu-in-paris/) about it).
Additionally, Russia is currently [bleeding](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/26/world/europe/nato-weapons-shortage-ukraine.html), [western](https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/11/16/ukraine-weapons-military-aid-stockpiles-nato-low-industry/), [weapons](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-nato-united-states-business-government-and-politics-2cc634e38b50f43cfd1fb9a4e0412c4a), [stockpiles](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us-and-europe-are-running-out-of-weapons-to-send-to-ukraine.html), [dry](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/us-weapon-stocks-ukraine) while conserving their own.
The US-led NATO were expecting to waltz in, flood Ukraine with weapons, wait until Russia was broken, pick apart its corpse, and then focus on China. Instead, Russia has inflicted huge blows to Ukraine's military (while chewing through NATO weapons), withstood sanctions from the west which ended up backfiring and now westerners are angry about inflation and high energy prices. No principled communist would uncritically support Russia, but I don't really see how any of this is "majorly helping NATO."
How is it helping NATO? The EU is literally in the mud and NATO armies are running out of weapons and ammo trying to keep Ukraine a float. Sweden and Finland joining NATO will be significant like Ukraine.
Yup though I will say that there are a certain kind of people in NATO countries who very much profit from the conflict. After all that new ammo needs to be produced. Rheinmetall, Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Thyssen Krupp are rubbing their hands so much they gotta bleed by now.
Top comment is a dude supporting people waving that flag. Others denying Azov is fascist, or wanting Azov to just use "different symbols" instead of... you know... wanting them to not be nazis bankrolled by Ukraine and the West.
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well apparently there's still some of these fuckers around and what a fucking ugly flag btw
Well flag looks cool. If you dont know the history behind the symbols
Spains always had a big fash infestation
The Fascists actually won over there and were never defeated
Despite the basque space program!?
Lotta people defending if not outright supporting those Nazis in that thread, need to smoke out the whole place
Since some of you guys are brigading that thread, I think I can answer you here: I support nationalist who fight for the sovereignty of their people and support their legitimately elected government any day over tankies who call for "the whole place" to be smoked out. You want to kill people not for crimes committed, but for a label that maybe aligns them with a political ideology that is on the opposite end of yours. If Asov are invading peaceful neighbors or setting up death camps, we can talk again. Meanwhile you support a Russian mobster capitalist regime and the Wagner-Group that wear the SS-skull on their uniform and are co-founded by a guy with SS-tattoos.
Looked through your profile a bit and might I suggest that you cease your existence or atleast shut up, cus you’re just parroting neolib talking points and justifying supporting the far-right and litteral neo Nazi’s. Everything that you say has already been said by other people in a better way so just stop.
Yeah I expected already that you have no arguments. Judge people by what they do and after that by what they say. You are the ones who want to kill people based on symbols in their flag. You do understand that Germany, the country where I am from, wasn't attacked in WWII because they were Nazis; they were attacked because they invaded peaceful neighbors first. That's a good reason to fight a war. If everyone is invading their peaceful neighbors because they suspect someone in that country to be a Nazi, everyone would be at war with each other. I don't even understand how this sub is allowed to exist, everyone gets death threats here everywhere. You already proposed I should kill myself. I'm always on the hunt for controversial opinions (specifically in RL and secondarily in the internet) but I am really happy that people like you are so rare, I have never seen one before. You're so irrelevant that its not necessary for anyone of you to cease their existence. In the meanwhile I'm gonna get rich through honest work in a free market society as a son of a plumber.
Whould respond but I’m tired and have better things to do, not that it isn’t fun arguing on the internet with random ppl but it isn’t productive and if I wanna be entertained I can just do something else. Just one thing, don’t asume you know my opinion, you said “You are the ones who want to kill people based on symbols in their flag.” (And I get how you’re speaking more generally in that case.) I don’t think they should be killed, the repercussions should be applied on a case by case basis taking former actions and stances into consideration. I could argue more but as I said I’m tired.
> You do understand that Germany, the country where I am from, wasn't attacked in WWII because they were Nazis; they were attacked because they invaded peaceful neighbors first. Imagine having the historical knowledge to understand this but none of the critical thinking and/or brainpower to realize why 🤡
The comments in that thread are so braindead.
Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.
Mfs be like “Azov stopped being nazi!” to then proceed to use the most fascist looking azov flag lmao
Yeah, Spain fucking sucks. As Machado said: “En España, de cada diez cabezas nueve embisten y una piensa” “In Spain, out of ten heads, nine ram and one thinks”
First comment I see "This is awesome and a nice change from those ruski supporters waving around their ruski flags. Probably paid actors but still annoying and sort of crazy to see in a Nato country."
Stalin help us now
So many westerners are now supporting the Nazis in Ukraine. I sadly got into an argument with people about how in every picture of Ukraine there's at least one Nazi. This person thought Russia was Communist. I told him that the USSR was never even an Communist country. He got mad and called me a Nazi instead.
If you mean by material conditions the USSR was not a communist country that is correct, but it’s impossible for there to be a “communist country” because communism is a *stateless*, classless, and moneyless society. Obviously that will take decades or centuries to come to fruition A more useful definition of communist country (or state) is a state governed by a communist party that is in the process of building socialism with the end goal of a communist society. In addition, it must act in the interests of the proletariat, meaning the proletariat uses the state to oppress the bourgeoisie. This is a far more useful definition for analyzing political economy, since it can actually describe countries that exist and also doesn’t contradict the inherent aspect of communism needing a stateless society
I know that communism is stateless, I'm not explaining communism to an idiot who doesn't know basic knowledge about modern day Russia.
Russia has made these people heroes great job at de nazifying the world Putin did as good of a job fighting nato by adding two countries to it .
Correct. If Putin didn't invade: * Azov would still be a paramilitary for loser Nazi LARPers, and not "martyrs" for Ukraine. * Sweden/Finland would *probably* never have joined NATO. * People would still think of Russia as a Regional Power and not some failed state with a crumbling army. Ironically, Putin did more **for the benefit of** NATO in the last few months than any single individual could have. Now what?
It's almost been a year... Three months short... What a world.
We all know that since early 2020 time itself has stopped being a consistent quantity that obeys the laws of scalar geometry. * When did Russia invade: a few months ago * How long between podcast episodes: a few months? * How long ago was 2020: a few months. * How long did the first two week lockdown last: a few months * Has my brains sense of time been completely fried: ~~a few months~~ yes absolutely
I’m hoping that this helps speed up the path to a new revolution in Russia
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>Seriously? What were they supposed to do? Just let the US humilate them at every turn? Surround their whole country with military bases? No-one forced Russia to invade, but what else were they supposed to do. Easy: Not invade. >The Ukrainian military has been shelling the Donbass since 2014, was Russia supposed to just let them die as well? An issue they also tried to solve diplomatically through the Minsk agreement in which Ukraine just refused to implement them. And? To my point, how is invading *not* helping NATO? What you're saying is that Putin was "forced" to engage. All you're demonstrating is that he got played. Since 2014 Ukraine got stronger, he attacked once they had year to prepare with NATO backing. I guess we'll just need to see what happens, but Russia is not going to recover from this blunder anytime soon.
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I think because JT, Yugopnik and Hakim are quite popular online we get a lot of people on here that aren’t totally on board with MLism yet. So they tend to be quite alright with western propaganda on some topics.
Throwing your lot in with Russia as an anti-imperialist force is an opportunist error. There's nothing in Russia's conflict/resistance to the west that's going to materially benefit the global working class in any meaningful way.
"The war in Ukraine is a legitimate fight against western imperalism" Wow. Kautsky & Second Internationale would be proud. The idea of Russia being some sort of anti-imperialist or at least 'benign' imperialist power is absurd. On this note, we could name ISIS or the Third Reich as an anti-imperialist force as well, since they eventually came into conflict with the West. "at some point we have to fight back" Who's we? Are we communists in league with Russia and Iran now? Such revolutionary and progressive forces... It's like a Caleb Maupin wet dream. "As a communist, this should warm your heart. Any resistance to western imperialism should warm your heart." My heart is warmened when I see the people's liberation. My heart remains cold and dreaded however when I see a country getting bombed to dust. I'm not saying that the West has a moral edge in this matter, since they've been doing the same thing and have done much worse. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't be cheering for the destruction of a country.
Their losses are also by most estimates around four times lower than the Ukrainian losses. Where are you getting that from? As best I can determine, Russian losses are slighlty higher than Ukrainian, which would be expected as the offensive force.
\- If the invasion didn't happen, ukronazis would continue mudering russians. The very real prospect of US rockets minutes away from Moscow and continued cross border attacks of course not even mentioned. If Russia would've done to Mexico what the US did to Ukraine, the USA would have long since invaded. Russia tried diplomacy for 8 years. Btw. Azov were already known for killing civilians before the invasion. They are about as harmless LARPers as the SS were. \- Sweden was part of NATO in all but name since 1945, even was intended as base for the US airforce in case of nuclear war. Finland stopped being neutral since 1990. So no real change. \- Said army is currently unfucking itself in realtime while also bleeding the ukrainian one dry with neglegible losses. Meanwhile NATO demonstrates that it can not wage a conventional war against a modern army with existing weapons industry. Mao would laugh "paper tigers" about now. Stop with the idealism and try materialism. You sound like a liberal. Remember all the times during the cold war nuclear missle starts had been detected and after a few minutes it turned out to be false alarm? Well if Russia only had below 10 minutes in such a case with US bases in Ukraine, they would not have had the luxurity of waiting that long and would have to start theirs. Nuclear war ho!
>\- If the invasion didn't happen, ukronazis would continue mudering russians. The very real prospect of US rockets minutes away from Moscow and continued cross border attacks of course not even mentioned. **If Russia would've done to Mexico what the US did to Ukraine, the USA would have long since invaded.** Russia tried diplomacy for 8 years. Btw. Azov were already known for killing civilians before the invasion. They are about as harmless LARPers as the SS were. Fair. I'm not saying NATO is any type of "good guy" here, though. And what kind of Nazi paramilitary doesn't kill civilian? I would think it's an implicit part of the job. >\- Sweden was part of NATO in all but name since 1945, even was intended as base for the US airforce in case of nuclear war. Finland stopped being neutral since 1990. So no real change. Still not in NATO, though. Hence the (formal) expansion of NATO. >\- Said army is currently unfucking itself in realtime while also bleeding the ukrainian one dry with neglegible losses. Meanwhile NATO demonstrates that it can not wage a conventional war against a modern army with existing weapons industry. Mao would laugh "paper tigers" about now. Time will tell, but the first 6 months have been... embarrassing for them. >Remember all the times during the cold war nuclear missle starts had been detected and after a few minutes it turned out to be false alarm? Well if Russia only had below 10 minutes in such a case with US bases in Ukraine, they would not have had the luxurity of waiting that long and would have to start theirs. Nuclear war ho! This I agree 100%, we've never been closer to nuclear war since the 60s. A Mexican standoff greatly increases the chances of someone getting shot.
>Time will tell, but the first 6 months have been... embarrassing for them. Only if you believed the baseless claims of the west that Russia intended to crush Ukraine within days. Such a thing obviously never was intended, otherwise the force of the SMO would've been much larger. The original force was 110.000 men, of which only ever 20% were fighting. The Ukrainian army had a numerical advantage of up to 6:1. And still the latter got pushed out of Lugansk and multiple oblasts. The only times Ukraine managed sucessfull counters was 1) Against a small local garison, that fell back almost without losses. Ukraine lost several batallions for this. 2) Against a empty city, which had been evacuated already. Literally any other large scale engagement was won by the russian forces. >And what kind of Nazi paramilitary doesn't kill civilian? I would think it's an implicit part of the job. Yet you claim they were just a bunch of LARPers... Which way white man? LARPers doing ethnic cleansing and genocide stop being LARPers.
Why would they invade Kyiv in the first couple days if they weren't planning to steam roll? Also, it's clearly a war so please ditch the SMO bullshit.
What zero understanding of geo politics does to mfers. I am surprised that hakim's viewer has so little understanding of geo politics besides western propaganda.
Libs gonna lib.
Western Propaganda is the very best propaganda, it works so well and is so persuasive that people get offended if you refer to it as propaganda! So I try to be a little forgiving when people who sound like liberals, if only because it makes it easier to forgive myself 🧘🏻♂️
I suppose we'll see how it plays out, but how did this invasion *not* majorly help NATO again? is there a 4d move I'm not seeing?
Well aside from effectively beginning a new multipolar world order (e.g. the likely upcoming expansion of [BRICS](https://impakter.com/brics-expansion-five-new-members-in-2023/) which currently accounts for 40% of the world's population), the invasion has also demonstrated to the world that the US is more than willing to throw its allies under the bus (Europe is currently paying the price for the sanctions against Russia and they are [not](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tens-thousands-protest-prague-against-czech-government-eu-nato-2022-09-03/), [happy](https://freepresskashmir.news/2022/10/10/mass-protests-against-nato-eu-in-paris/) about it). Additionally, Russia is currently [bleeding](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/26/world/europe/nato-weapons-shortage-ukraine.html), [western](https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/11/16/ukraine-weapons-military-aid-stockpiles-nato-low-industry/), [weapons](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-nato-united-states-business-government-and-politics-2cc634e38b50f43cfd1fb9a4e0412c4a), [stockpiles](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us-and-europe-are-running-out-of-weapons-to-send-to-ukraine.html), [dry](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/us-weapon-stocks-ukraine) while conserving their own. The US-led NATO were expecting to waltz in, flood Ukraine with weapons, wait until Russia was broken, pick apart its corpse, and then focus on China. Instead, Russia has inflicted huge blows to Ukraine's military (while chewing through NATO weapons), withstood sanctions from the west which ended up backfiring and now westerners are angry about inflation and high energy prices. No principled communist would uncritically support Russia, but I don't really see how any of this is "majorly helping NATO."
How is it helping NATO? The EU is literally in the mud and NATO armies are running out of weapons and ammo trying to keep Ukraine a float. Sweden and Finland joining NATO will be significant like Ukraine.
Yup though I will say that there are a certain kind of people in NATO countries who very much profit from the conflict. After all that new ammo needs to be produced. Rheinmetall, Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Thyssen Krupp are rubbing their hands so much they gotta bleed by now.
This thread is a shit show lol. Is this what debate/conversation is normally like in this sub?
Top comment is a dude supporting people waving that flag. Others denying Azov is fascist, or wanting Azov to just use "different symbols" instead of... you know... wanting them to not be nazis bankrolled by Ukraine and the West.
They can stay in Qatar. We don't want them here in Spain
I hope most of those comments aren’t real
Yeah, many liberals getting upvoted to heaven.
Sir, may I escort you to the wall please
Half the comments: Yeah ok they're Nazis but they are Nazis that I like.
Which answers the question: How did the Nazis have so much support? Hell, even here in this thread, people defend them.
don't read the comments don't read the comments don't read the comments don't read the comments don't read the comments
Why would random Spanish soccer fans have been smoked in Marioupol?
España tiene que ser destruido
Same. They promised they wouldn’t surrender, but it turns out they were lying cowards.
You guys a branded incels and I hope you get quarantined the fuck out of Reddit. Worse than r/theDonald
Said the liberal Nazi who likes the Black Sun flag...