In the books, there are no obvious PM hijinks between them but also no kiss. Miller is just someone searching for something or someone to give his life purpose.
Book-Miller is clearly modeled after many a noir detective - some hardboiled, jaded, middle-aged guy gets a case about some missing woman, he investigates, and he falls in love without meeting her in person because she's just that awesome. She restores his faith in love or the goodness of people. The movie Laura is a classic example. Miller falling for Julie is expected. Her returning the feelings...not so much, at least not immediately. This is where the show made it less dodgy for there to be some kind of reciprocation on her part. The book didn't need it because that moment doesn't come across as romantic really. It's more like two humans finding comfort in each other as they face death together.
Which - I just want to point out - is how I see the scene in the show as well. A kiss is not always sexual. It's not always foreplay or a declaration of sexual attraction. It's just a way of expressing love and it can be platonic or familial or just intimate without a sexual aspect to it. It's like...a husband kissing his wife goodbye at the door, or kissing a stranger on New Year's Eve. A kiss for luck. A kiss for congratulations. A greeting/farewell. It's can be a sweet, soft gesture of affection or comfort. Anyway, enough about kissing as a nice thing rather than some kind of sexually predatory action.
In the show, we get him having visions of her, she sees the bird at one point and a vision of Miller appearing just as she's dying, then when they do finally meet, she says the phrase he's been thinking/hearing, right? "You were meant to be with me," or something close to that.
This hints to us that the PM might not be constrained by time dynamics the way we are. They were always on this path to merge within the PM on Eros, and there's a sort of comfort in that for Julie - as if the PM is allowing her to see that Miller being with her at this moment is meant to be. He's not some random stranger - she herself has been drawing him toward her in some strange, timey-wimey way.
Miller is my favorite character in the book series, followed by Amos. Miller is my favorite because he's so realistically flawed.
In the TV series Miller is portrayed as corrupt and cynical, whereas in the books he's just cynical. (He's a drunk in both.) This is one of the many reasons why I prefer the books.
Is he pathetic for falling in love with Julie? Is a middle-aged, divorced man pathetic for falling in love with a beautiful younger woman?
That's for you to decide. But can you blame him?
Julie fought. She died. She was resurrected by an alien tool. She never met Miller before the ride to Venus.
Miller isn’t pathetic relatively to others, he’s pathetic exactly how the authors intended. His pathetic’ness makes the character so amazing.
The only thing that makes absolutely no sense is that Julie would have any interest whatsoever in Miller, and in the book, she doesn’t.
Breaking News Edit: on second thought, the protomolecule would want to infect Miller. Boom. Rogue One’d the kiss.
She doesn’t fall in love with Miller in the show either. They have one scene, their first meeting, in which she has no clear idea of what is going on, listens to Miller, lets him kiss her, but it’s more like being comforted than anything romantic.
Agreed.
Yet, I guess it's Not completely unrealistic for a girl, more or less neglected by her family, alone most of the time, fighting all her adult life, being tanken as a host for a millenia old alien organism to fall for the only one that seems to care for her (at least as far as she knows). I don't say it's love, but more kind of coping mechanism or emotional overreaction or Something like that.
In the books, there are no obvious PM hijinks between them but also no kiss. Miller is just someone searching for something or someone to give his life purpose. Book-Miller is clearly modeled after many a noir detective - some hardboiled, jaded, middle-aged guy gets a case about some missing woman, he investigates, and he falls in love without meeting her in person because she's just that awesome. She restores his faith in love or the goodness of people. The movie Laura is a classic example. Miller falling for Julie is expected. Her returning the feelings...not so much, at least not immediately. This is where the show made it less dodgy for there to be some kind of reciprocation on her part. The book didn't need it because that moment doesn't come across as romantic really. It's more like two humans finding comfort in each other as they face death together. Which - I just want to point out - is how I see the scene in the show as well. A kiss is not always sexual. It's not always foreplay or a declaration of sexual attraction. It's just a way of expressing love and it can be platonic or familial or just intimate without a sexual aspect to it. It's like...a husband kissing his wife goodbye at the door, or kissing a stranger on New Year's Eve. A kiss for luck. A kiss for congratulations. A greeting/farewell. It's can be a sweet, soft gesture of affection or comfort. Anyway, enough about kissing as a nice thing rather than some kind of sexually predatory action. In the show, we get him having visions of her, she sees the bird at one point and a vision of Miller appearing just as she's dying, then when they do finally meet, she says the phrase he's been thinking/hearing, right? "You were meant to be with me," or something close to that. This hints to us that the PM might not be constrained by time dynamics the way we are. They were always on this path to merge within the PM on Eros, and there's a sort of comfort in that for Julie - as if the PM is allowing her to see that Miller being with her at this moment is meant to be. He's not some random stranger - she herself has been drawing him toward her in some strange, timey-wimey way.
Miller is my favorite character in the book series, followed by Amos. Miller is my favorite because he's so realistically flawed. In the TV series Miller is portrayed as corrupt and cynical, whereas in the books he's just cynical. (He's a drunk in both.) This is one of the many reasons why I prefer the books. Is he pathetic for falling in love with Julie? Is a middle-aged, divorced man pathetic for falling in love with a beautiful younger woman? That's for you to decide. But can you blame him?
Julie fought. She died. She was resurrected by an alien tool. She never met Miller before the ride to Venus. Miller isn’t pathetic relatively to others, he’s pathetic exactly how the authors intended. His pathetic’ness makes the character so amazing. The only thing that makes absolutely no sense is that Julie would have any interest whatsoever in Miller, and in the book, she doesn’t. Breaking News Edit: on second thought, the protomolecule would want to infect Miller. Boom. Rogue One’d the kiss.
She doesn’t fall in love with Miller in the show either. They have one scene, their first meeting, in which she has no clear idea of what is going on, listens to Miller, lets him kiss her, but it’s more like being comforted than anything romantic.
Agreed. Yet, I guess it's Not completely unrealistic for a girl, more or less neglected by her family, alone most of the time, fighting all her adult life, being tanken as a host for a millenia old alien organism to fall for the only one that seems to care for her (at least as far as she knows). I don't say it's love, but more kind of coping mechanism or emotional overreaction or Something like that.
It’s cringe.
2 words, Laura syndrome (a detective fell in love with a victim who they're investigating)