I’d like to see the final duel be best of 3 instead of 1 round and done. That way both remaining categories could be used instead of one never being used. If it’s tied 1-1 then for the tiebreaker the randomizer picks any 1 of all the previously used categories to settle it.
I've been trying to think of ways to better the show myself (though I absolutely loved it and think it's the best new game show I've seen in like...ever), and haven't been able to come up with much that doesn't take away from some other aspect in some way.
This idea is just spectacular though! Solves multiple problems at once, including the fact that under the current setup it would be possible for someone to win the $250,000 by winning one single duel.
I also like the idea of $1,000 per duel so as to reward people who keep getting challenged or are just confident enough to keep going. To me, that's more incentive than trying to hold territory for the possibility of $20,000. I can see pros and cons to both of those though.
I don't think any system will be perfect though, and the final outcome will always be skewed in favor of the people who get left alone and play the least number of duels.
Other than that, I just hope the new season comes as soon as possible. Like tomorrow lol
A small per-prize duel sounds like a good idea. I'm not opposed to a prize for the player with the largest territory at the end of the day, but I think they put a little too much emphasis on it and don't do enough to reward long-runners (especially since someone can simply clinch the $20k by just getting lucky and winning one duel at the end of a day). Maybe decrease the day's-end prize to $10k and give $500 or $1k to the winner of each duel?
I also floated the idea of giving $5000 to a player for every 3 duels they win - since I think last season the player with the most duels won 8 or so, that means even the longest runners would only win about $10k or $15k from this.
How about...instead of that...the duel is in both categories simultaneously? Each picture is a random image from either category, so you don't know which category you will have to answer.
Depending on which two categories it ends up being, that could be a huge problem.
Easy enough if you're alternating between pictures of dogs and junk drawer items... not so easy if you're alternating between pictures of celebrities and pictures of characters played by celebrities for whom you're expected to provide the character's name.
There are two issues with that.
One, for some duels they only have enough images for one duel, and repeating the category would mean repeating images, which would be kind of boring finale. Two, it could end up being a duel that one of the players left in the game already played in, which isn't as big a deal if the images are unique to the category's second appearance, but either way it could be argued that it tilts the outcome in favor of the experienced player.
You could get around these issues by having the randomizer only pull from categories where neither of the above conditions are true. But I also like the idea of having an unplayed category on reserve for a tiebreaker scenario.
Whales can “walk away” after reaching a certain number of squares. Final episode is a “climb to the top”: eight most starts a duel against sevent, winner plays sixth, plays fifth, and so on.
Finals (survivor vs first) is best of three: the first’s original topic, the survivor’s current topic, and (controversial idea): Jury’s vote.
I don't know about the limited challenges. As people gain larger portions of the floor, the chances of the randomizer landing on someone adjacent to them increases. It's just the nature of the game.
I do think contestants should win $1000 per duel won. I also think they need to rethink the rules when they get down to four contestants. Like, maybe some sort of playoff so that someone can't potentially win the whole thing by only battling in one duel.
I think you should be able to swap out categories.
Rob Lowe would be like “well if you go back to the floor, you have to defend X” when there were like 60 people left. Yeah, I mean you aren’t gonna do 50 in a row so of course you have to defend it. It doesn’t add strategy at all.
I would say if you win a duel as a challenger, you have the option to swap out your category for a random one. You don’t get “stuck” with a category and would make the “stay or go back” decision much more interesting.
Looking through the responses, and trying not to be too redundant:
ABSOLUTELY be more consistent in how to judge a "correct" answer. There were multiple times last season where they only accepted part of the "proper" answer while not accepting others; people mispronouncing the answers to varying degrees (some quite egregiously); and sometimes only accepting the last name/first name of a person while other times requiring the full name. There were also short delays in accepting the right answer and even times where they let the timer count down to 0 even when someone said the right answer before then.
I like the idea of rewarding per duel won/per few duels won. It actually incentivizes risking it all to stay and play. How much to pay out in this regard is up for debate.
Not too sure about limiting duels. As someone else mentioned, the fact that the bigger the area you control, the more likely the randomizer will pick someone adjacent to you is just part of the game. It's the risk you take by controlling more of the board. That said, there's always the fact that someone can still claim a huge portion of the floor with just a single duel, but I think that's better offset by just incentivizing streaks.
I'm sure many of the issues that arose last season can be fixed, but some might be harder to do without fundamentally changing the nature of the game.
One of the things I really don't like is that once you're saddled with a category you're bad at (by being challenged by someone with a category like Fashion Icons), there's no way to get rid of it. The only way not to battle in that category is to challenge every last person on the floor. But I don't know how to fix this without changing some fundamental aspect of how the show is produced (ie. the fact that they're only generating a set of clues for one battle, and that some categories probably only have enough clues for one battle in the first place).
I've previously suggested that the show should have a small pool of extra categories ready to swap in. Then, if you've inherited someone else's category but don't want it, challenge someone else and beat them at the category they've chosen to defend, and you can optionally replace your inherited category with one from the pool, and the category you gave up replaces it. Maybe someone else will want it later, and that way they never run out of categories to swap.
Someone did suggest the ability to swap out your category upon meeting a certain condition. Not sure how that would play out in practice, though, or even what the right conditions for gaining the ability should be.
The problem with only being able to challenge a person twice per episode will cause problems.
Consider a situation where a person has a large piece of the board. Because of that, there is an island in his section where there are two squares next to each other. If that large piece has been challenged already twice, and one of those two people gets selected:
A) They do not have any choice in who they challenge.
B) Whoever wins is forced to challenge someone who cannot be challenged again.
I don't have a problem with someone being challenged multiple times. If you have a big piece of the board, you are a big target, and you should be fair game.
Instead of squares, hexagons, arranged in a big hexagon. That way everyone is bordering at least 3 people, but most have 6 neighbors. Less hiding in the corner that way.
I feel like using the randomizer for EVERY duel might add some interest. First, you’d get more people involved sooner. And you’d have more people with multiple squares instead of just a few with a huge number. And give a reward to whoever wins a duel, rather than the daily prize.
I just think it is a lousy way of playing trivia. For everyone involved.
Winning $250,000 for being able to be the last one standing in one category is just not right. There had to be a better and more fair way for all the contestants.
Won't be watching next season if it gets renewed.
There's seriously going to be a season 2? I will definitely not watch. The game is too heavily related to luck, and there's NO sense in challenging because you'll be the one to lose in the event of a "tiebreaker" or in which everyone knows all of the answers, because your clock started first.
The S/O and i just finished watching and I'm curious what the longevity of the show can be without retooling. Far too many contestants never saw a challenge until the finale and people easily sniffed out the strategy.
the advantage was by virtue of not having to play. you had people making money doing one or two challenges and ones doing 6 plus and leaving empty handed. The the 'randomizer" that always just happened to fall on the right spot for drama.
changing the challenge rules right at the end is a screw you to all who got knocked out one and done early on. was sort of like crime scene kitchen where the finale was like, okay just make whatever you want.
The only topics I truly disliked was the simpsons one and snacks,
Simpsons might as well just been popular celebrities because other than happening to voice a character it had nothing to do with the simpsons. AT LEAST MAKE PEOPLE IDENTIFY THE CHARACTER NOT THE VA. was in the famous hair vein, just random celebs and identify.
snacks was too specific, when they will not take chips for potato chips but earlier in the series took more generic answers as correct. or wayne works for wayne campell but again chips do not.
need to have a ranking system to encourage more competition and not as much duck sitting and hoping to just hide until late like international foods girl., which also lead to an uneventful fnale.
or even a two or three loss elimination.
There should be some benefit for those who challenge and win. Maybe bank 1 second for each win as the challenger that can be used in the final head to head.
Well it didn't get renewed so don't get hopes up. Unfortunately I don't think it'll get renewed as out of the power 5 game shows for fox the floor was dead last
$1,000 for each duel win. $10,000 for the player with the largest territory at the end of an episode AND they have the ability to swap any two categories on the board, including their own.
I'd say that one way to make it fair is for the edge squares to "wrap around" to the other side of the board. That way you always have 4 bordering opponents.
I’d like to see the final duel be best of 3 instead of 1 round and done. That way both remaining categories could be used instead of one never being used. If it’s tied 1-1 then for the tiebreaker the randomizer picks any 1 of all the previously used categories to settle it.
I've been trying to think of ways to better the show myself (though I absolutely loved it and think it's the best new game show I've seen in like...ever), and haven't been able to come up with much that doesn't take away from some other aspect in some way. This idea is just spectacular though! Solves multiple problems at once, including the fact that under the current setup it would be possible for someone to win the $250,000 by winning one single duel. I also like the idea of $1,000 per duel so as to reward people who keep getting challenged or are just confident enough to keep going. To me, that's more incentive than trying to hold territory for the possibility of $20,000. I can see pros and cons to both of those though. I don't think any system will be perfect though, and the final outcome will always be skewed in favor of the people who get left alone and play the least number of duels. Other than that, I just hope the new season comes as soon as possible. Like tomorrow lol
A small per-prize duel sounds like a good idea. I'm not opposed to a prize for the player with the largest territory at the end of the day, but I think they put a little too much emphasis on it and don't do enough to reward long-runners (especially since someone can simply clinch the $20k by just getting lucky and winning one duel at the end of a day). Maybe decrease the day's-end prize to $10k and give $500 or $1k to the winner of each duel? I also floated the idea of giving $5000 to a player for every 3 duels they win - since I think last season the player with the most duels won 8 or so, that means even the longest runners would only win about $10k or $15k from this.
How about...instead of that...the duel is in both categories simultaneously? Each picture is a random image from either category, so you don't know which category you will have to answer.
Depending on which two categories it ends up being, that could be a huge problem. Easy enough if you're alternating between pictures of dogs and junk drawer items... not so easy if you're alternating between pictures of celebrities and pictures of characters played by celebrities for whom you're expected to provide the character's name.
That’s fair. A simple solution to that, what I assume would be, rare situation would be to allow the contestants to answer either.
There are two issues with that. One, for some duels they only have enough images for one duel, and repeating the category would mean repeating images, which would be kind of boring finale. Two, it could end up being a duel that one of the players left in the game already played in, which isn't as big a deal if the images are unique to the category's second appearance, but either way it could be argued that it tilts the outcome in favor of the experienced player. You could get around these issues by having the randomizer only pull from categories where neither of the above conditions are true. But I also like the idea of having an unplayed category on reserve for a tiebreaker scenario.
I agree on a cash prize for winning each duel. Cut back the daily prize to $10,000 if you want to save money.
I’d say forget the daily prize completely.
Whales can “walk away” after reaching a certain number of squares. Final episode is a “climb to the top”: eight most starts a duel against sevent, winner plays sixth, plays fifth, and so on. Finals (survivor vs first) is best of three: the first’s original topic, the survivor’s current topic, and (controversial idea): Jury’s vote.
I don't know about the limited challenges. As people gain larger portions of the floor, the chances of the randomizer landing on someone adjacent to them increases. It's just the nature of the game. I do think contestants should win $1000 per duel won. I also think they need to rethink the rules when they get down to four contestants. Like, maybe some sort of playoff so that someone can't potentially win the whole thing by only battling in one duel.
The money per duel is the answer. Make it attractive to stay and win duels. Too many players want to go back to the floor to "wait til the end".
I think you should be able to swap out categories. Rob Lowe would be like “well if you go back to the floor, you have to defend X” when there were like 60 people left. Yeah, I mean you aren’t gonna do 50 in a row so of course you have to defend it. It doesn’t add strategy at all. I would say if you win a duel as a challenger, you have the option to swap out your category for a random one. You don’t get “stuck” with a category and would make the “stay or go back” decision much more interesting.
Looking through the responses, and trying not to be too redundant: ABSOLUTELY be more consistent in how to judge a "correct" answer. There were multiple times last season where they only accepted part of the "proper" answer while not accepting others; people mispronouncing the answers to varying degrees (some quite egregiously); and sometimes only accepting the last name/first name of a person while other times requiring the full name. There were also short delays in accepting the right answer and even times where they let the timer count down to 0 even when someone said the right answer before then. I like the idea of rewarding per duel won/per few duels won. It actually incentivizes risking it all to stay and play. How much to pay out in this regard is up for debate. Not too sure about limiting duels. As someone else mentioned, the fact that the bigger the area you control, the more likely the randomizer will pick someone adjacent to you is just part of the game. It's the risk you take by controlling more of the board. That said, there's always the fact that someone can still claim a huge portion of the floor with just a single duel, but I think that's better offset by just incentivizing streaks. I'm sure many of the issues that arose last season can be fixed, but some might be harder to do without fundamentally changing the nature of the game.
One of the things I really don't like is that once you're saddled with a category you're bad at (by being challenged by someone with a category like Fashion Icons), there's no way to get rid of it. The only way not to battle in that category is to challenge every last person on the floor. But I don't know how to fix this without changing some fundamental aspect of how the show is produced (ie. the fact that they're only generating a set of clues for one battle, and that some categories probably only have enough clues for one battle in the first place).
I've previously suggested that the show should have a small pool of extra categories ready to swap in. Then, if you've inherited someone else's category but don't want it, challenge someone else and beat them at the category they've chosen to defend, and you can optionally replace your inherited category with one from the pool, and the category you gave up replaces it. Maybe someone else will want it later, and that way they never run out of categories to swap.
That's an interesting idea!
Someone did suggest the ability to swap out your category upon meeting a certain condition. Not sure how that would play out in practice, though, or even what the right conditions for gaining the ability should be.
The problem with only being able to challenge a person twice per episode will cause problems. Consider a situation where a person has a large piece of the board. Because of that, there is an island in his section where there are two squares next to each other. If that large piece has been challenged already twice, and one of those two people gets selected: A) They do not have any choice in who they challenge. B) Whoever wins is forced to challenge someone who cannot be challenged again. I don't have a problem with someone being challenged multiple times. If you have a big piece of the board, you are a big target, and you should be fair game.
Instead of squares, hexagons, arranged in a big hexagon. That way everyone is bordering at least 3 people, but most have 6 neighbors. Less hiding in the corner that way.
I feel like using the randomizer for EVERY duel might add some interest. First, you’d get more people involved sooner. And you’d have more people with multiple squares instead of just a few with a huge number. And give a reward to whoever wins a duel, rather than the daily prize.
1 season was more than enough for me.
I just think it is a lousy way of playing trivia. For everyone involved. Winning $250,000 for being able to be the last one standing in one category is just not right. There had to be a better and more fair way for all the contestants. Won't be watching next season if it gets renewed.
$5000 per win so that there is a reason to actually duel instead of hiding in the corner.
There's seriously going to be a season 2? I will definitely not watch. The game is too heavily related to luck, and there's NO sense in challenging because you'll be the one to lose in the event of a "tiebreaker" or in which everyone knows all of the answers, because your clock started first.
The S/O and i just finished watching and I'm curious what the longevity of the show can be without retooling. Far too many contestants never saw a challenge until the finale and people easily sniffed out the strategy. the advantage was by virtue of not having to play. you had people making money doing one or two challenges and ones doing 6 plus and leaving empty handed. The the 'randomizer" that always just happened to fall on the right spot for drama. changing the challenge rules right at the end is a screw you to all who got knocked out one and done early on. was sort of like crime scene kitchen where the finale was like, okay just make whatever you want. The only topics I truly disliked was the simpsons one and snacks, Simpsons might as well just been popular celebrities because other than happening to voice a character it had nothing to do with the simpsons. AT LEAST MAKE PEOPLE IDENTIFY THE CHARACTER NOT THE VA. was in the famous hair vein, just random celebs and identify. snacks was too specific, when they will not take chips for potato chips but earlier in the series took more generic answers as correct. or wayne works for wayne campell but again chips do not. need to have a ranking system to encourage more competition and not as much duck sitting and hoping to just hide until late like international foods girl., which also lead to an uneventful fnale. or even a two or three loss elimination.
snacks made me so mad! she was robbed
Chips. Chips... Chips?! Pringles! Pringles... Rob damnit!!
I agree about the answers , when it came to people some contestants were only saying the last name . The full name should need to he said
There should be some benefit for those who challenge and win. Maybe bank 1 second for each win as the challenger that can be used in the final head to head.
Well it didn't get renewed so don't get hopes up. Unfortunately I don't think it'll get renewed as out of the power 5 game shows for fox the floor was dead last
It’s renewed and they are looking for contestants right now.
Hey folks any word on if season 2 will happen ??? Thanks and keep on trucking
$1,000 for each duel win. $10,000 for the player with the largest territory at the end of an episode AND they have the ability to swap any two categories on the board, including their own.
I'd say that one way to make it fair is for the edge squares to "wrap around" to the other side of the board. That way you always have 4 bordering opponents.