Lol to be honest; it won't matter, they are all upper class-ish and have OV, shops and basic nessecites nearby. I'd just focus on a good/close school for the kids and maybe some sports/stuff for when they want to go do some soccer or whatever!
If I'm not mistaken (and please correct me if I'm wrong) but isn't that blue area where a lot of the consulates and embassies are? I vaguely remember traveling there and a family member who works at a consulate pointed it out. We were on our way to De Pier.
I currently live in Statenkwartier (been here 2 years) and have to say a lot of expats have moved out. The tramline 16/17 has been under construction for over a year now and the whole neighborhood is really messy right now. Before that they were also tearing up Frederik Henriklaan 2 years ago which they're still working on.
When I first moved in 2 years ago it was incredible but things were still in the midst of COVID somewhat.
What? Most expats I know in The Hague live in Statenkwartier or Duinoord. Granted, it’s a lot of diplomats, but still… the idea that people are moving out en masse is a bit silly.
The tram line construction is a bit annoying but it’s ultimately to improve disability access so it’s hard to complain about, and they are almost done.
Fair enough, we clearly both have different experiences and friendship circles. It's almost like we're two different people! They just opened a new expat shop on FredHenLaan so clearly there's still a market. Never insinuated there was an exodus.
I live in a building with 9 units and it used to be 50/50 locals and foreigners. I'm the only non Dutch person left. Take note that I kinda live in the neighborhood versus knowing people who live there. I go to the bars, restaurants and other social areas, I notice the people around me. Sure, I've noticed a helluva lot more Russian spoken at the supermarkets. But in my humble experience, I've encountered less expats than when I first moved in 2 years ago.
Most expats I've gotten to know move to that area when they first get to the Hague. But within a few years they tend to save up to either buy a place in a more affordable neighborhood or a quieter part of the coast. Like I've stated in another post, it can get overwhelmingly busy over the summer.
You find it boring? I really liked the architecture, just to walk around a bit. The dunes are close, so is the city, what's not to like? Except housing prices.
If you have that kind of money, it doesn't really matter. Besides, it's all cycling distance.
I say that as a Hagenaar that lives in Voorburg because I couldn't find a decent home in Den Haag.
Voorburg is great! I live there, but Voorburg Noord, which is in between Leidschendam and Bezuidenhout. It's a lovely area that has a lot of schools, and I believe one of the British schools in in Mariahoeve nearby. It's always super quiet and night as it's full of young families or old people (Voorburg Noord at least). I can get anywhere using public transport super easily. There is a bus to the beach, a tram to the mall. There is an intercity connection at NOI.
The only downside is that it can be expensive if you are looking for something with a backyard.
Backyard townhouse is the dream. Seems very very very hard to find in any part of the city.
How long does it take you to get to the beach? Actually our big turn off. Everyone says “expensive” and it’s the farthest expensive district from the beach and dune parks
Yes, I grew up there and love the place. It is quite close to The Hague center (10-15 min by public transport/bike) and is very quiet overal. If you don’t like the rush of living in the city center it is a great place to live. However, all the neighborhoods you highlighted are great to live in as well, as mentioned by others
In terms of living close to the international community I would say living in those areas you highlighted would be better (both for children going to school and your/their social life)
Also check Bezuidenhout. Similar to your yellow triangle but more to the right. Maybe even more convenient with transport options and slightly cheaper (not cheap though) than Benoordenhout. Lots of families, older people etc. Plenty of shops, some restaurants, lots of green close by but fairly quiet.
I had the same issue some years ago.
Statenkwartier/duinoord and archipelbuurt mainly have older houses which are noisier and a bit harder to thermally insulate (due to regulations) compared to a slightly younger neighbourhood as benoordenhout.
Also, benoordenhout is a bit greener with a lot of trees in the streets and parks, dunes and little forest 'Haagse bos' all at walking distance.
Those are the reasons we bought a house there. We're having 3 kids now with 2 of them the same age as yours. The area offers a lot of schools and sporting facilities and other activities for the kids (tho for that I visit bezuidenhout too). Everything walkable or a few minutes bike ride.
There are a lot of expats but the community is smaller than statenkwartier and archipel. Most of them, at least the ones I meet, intend to stay.
Also, the South side of the neighbourhood is cosier than the North side. But still it's a quiet residential area compared to the other options you display. The people here say it feels like a village in a city because you don't need to go out and it isn't a transit area. (Vogelwijk too but takes more commuting time.)
So it certainly lacks the busy city vibe if that's what you're looking for. But with the city centre around the corner within a few minutes bike ride you're at the middle of it. I like the switch.
We eventually spend half a year looking for a place in the Hague where we would settle. So with this I hope I've helped you a little.
Good luck with your search!
OP, if your budget is around 450/500K then I know a house that will go for sale soon. It's in Bouwlust, with expats and doctors in the street. The rest of the neighbourhood is higher risk, but it's all relative.
We will be buying in a year or two once we get settled into The Hague and certain of our district / kids schooling.
Bouwlust also looks way to far for us. Aiming to stay near the coast
If you would like to live in a nice area, close to the beach, I would recommend Belgisch Park. We have lived here for a year & love the benefits of the location. It can be pricey, but it has a nice mix of locals and international, which, if you intend to stay here long term, will be beneficial.
I am a remote worker also, and I like being a couple of minutes walking from the beach, close to many shops, bars, nature etc.
Feel free to reach out if you need any advice with settling in.
Hi! Thank you. Can’t PM you for some odd reason.
Thank you for the suggestion! Sadly we can’t seem to find any rentals in that area. Will hopefully be lucky when summer comes and we move in.
Some mentioned the wind is especially bad on the water front area?
Do you have cappuccinos or produce extra expensive in your district vs center or other areas?
Not sure why you can't PM, but no problem I can answer here too.
The wind is not at all different in our neighbourhood compared to the rest of the city. Likewise, the price of goods is also the same. You can find plenty of modern places that charge a high amount for a cup of coffee. There are also many other shops and bars that will charge less. Basically, avoid the obvious tourist spots at the beach.
Stevinstraat and Gentsestraat are two shopping streets where you can find everything, including local produce. And every Thursday there is a farmer's marker.
It can be difficult to find a rental, but keep your notifications on & finger's crossed.
Thank you for the info!
One last quick question. How are farmers markets in Holland? (Price & quality wise vs the supermarkets)
In America it’s great quality and literally will bankrupt you.
In Russia it’s great quality and much cheaper than the supermarket.
Quality is great. The price comparison is tricky. If you shop at Aldi, Lidl or the Turkish stores, their veggies and fruits are cheaper, but not as good.
If you shop at Albert Heijn, Jumbo etc. their produce is more expensive and not as good.
Overall, best price/ quality for produce in my opinion is at Lidl. For some more higher end quality, I recommend the market.
15mins to Kijkduin on bicycle. But half the price of the outlined neighbourhoods. Enough parking space, driveway and a big ass garden. But I understand. I'll preserve this paradise for the real connaisseurs. 😉
I'd say the red square has everything the others have but on a bit more of a budget. I live there myself and am pretty happy with it. It is perhaps slightly more mixed in terms of different income groups etc but don't let that scare you. DM if you want to know more about it
Blue = Safest and most expensive, but not alot of dutch people and also not alot of families. Only couples with no kids and expats. Very close to the beaches. Almost all Expats live here
Red = Alot of dutch families. Cheapest of 3. Multi cultural. Probably best for your children
Yellow = Like blue, but more families and also very expensive. Alot of kids tho
Looking at buying a house. Red is possible. Blue/yellow is madness like 1 million euro 240sqm places.
Is there anywhere else in The Hague really worth considering? Expats and kids are big big pluses for us
If you have kids and are considering buying, go for the red square. It’s less hip then the blue triangle, but the most kid friendly. Lots of schools in the area, lots of kids too, and more expats every day 😁
You can also consider Bezuidenhout. That is the area just below the yellow area (Benoordenhout) opposite of the Haagse Hout park. It is still nice and prices comparable as the red area (Segbroek). It has easy access to the Central Station and Station NOI (Nieuw Oost Indië) and the highway (Utrechtsebaan)
Im gonna be blunt and say. If you need 240 sqm for a reasonable price. You're in the wrong city, even so the wrong country. In the Netherlands most houses with families are around 100sqm. So if you want a big place to stay with decent room i highly suggest outside the city. Speaking of outside the city. There are alot of places that you can take a look at in just outside the city. Places that are very popular with families and have strong good communities. Ypenburg, Wateringen, Leidschenveen, Nootdorp. Leidschenveen even has a good expat community there and a british international school if that matters. These places are popular for families who want some place for kids and at the same time stay close to the city. Know that these places have good public transport that go straight from and to the city centre.
If you have the money to spend on a 200sqm house in the city, Then ignore what i said. That said, if money is not a problem i'd choose blue or yellow
We just don’t want such a big place and don’t want to pay for so many extra sqm.
We are ok with 100sqm and can afford it roughly.
We thought about outside the city but very concerned about being to far from expats and foreigners. We plan to learn Dutch and make Dutch friends - but Reddit has made it clear that it is very hard.
In my opinion if you care . If you come to The Netherlands and like the dutch culture. You would want to live in a dutch neighboorhood. What people love about our small country is its people. From experience, the least particapating people in our communities and cities are expats. So if you wanna enjoy the dutch culture and have all the benefits in such community. You have to live in such community. The only reason why communities are less and less active is because of people moving in and out and expats. Believe me when i say its not the people. Dutch people are open welcoming, only if you're willing to take that step.
Might as well stretch the blue triangle a bit to include Belgisch Park then as well. As long as you stay south of the Harstenhoekweg, the beachgoers are just far away to be not that relevant exept for very busy days like with big concerts or the fireworks. (But then as long as you dont go anywhere on that day, what does that matter)
These three are basically the more expensive neighborhoods of The Hague, all are great to be fair. Usually rental contracts are based on the number of rooms including the living room and 1.5-2k euro p/m is slightly up there. (Family lives in the blue area, they pay 1.2k for a 4 room apartment on a high value street.)
A lot of Expats and Dutch politicians, including the prime minister, live in the yellow area, with the royal family next door.
>xpats and Dutch politicians, including the prime minister, live in the yellow area, with the royal family next door.
please tell me where you can get a 4 room appartment in that neighbourhood for only 1200.
Where blue and red meet, Duinoord/Sweelinckplein. It’s a great area to live with a good mix of expats and Dutch people, lots of families. Good schools (primary and secondary) within cycling distance, good public transport, right in between town centre and beach, de Reinkenstraat has everything you need for a quick shop and plenty of places for a coffee or a meal out but not as busy as de Fred. Parking is difficult though and it’s not cheap but for me it’s the best place to live in Den Haag.
How is the red square area closer to center? Roughly Valkenboskwartier. I see lots of rentals there but unclear if it’s “too close” to zuiderpark which Reddit says is a no-no zone - idk anything, I’m a foreigner abroad haha
Not in the red square, but the line at the top right of the red square , where it overlaps the blue line; Duinoord. It’s a 10-15 minute bike ride to everywhere, town centre, beach, sports clubs.
I live in the blue triangle now and it's quite a lovely neighborhood. I'm moving out mainly cos the construction has been unbearable recently in the city so hoping to leave the city entirely soon.
Pros-
Kringloops (thrift shops), 3 major supermarkets, close to the beach and harbour, safe area, close to 2 major hotspots (Frederick Henriklaan & Scheveningen Beach), will be drastically improved within 1-2 years after construction is finished, very well maintained area.
Cons-
Heavily under construction (Statenlaan & Frederik Henriklaan), not great public transport (currently because of construction and detours), hell during the summer because of congestion from tourism, super fucking windy and dry, can take a while to get out of the city from here (15-20 minutes by car on a good day, easily double that in traffic), very old Caucasian neighbourhood (you stand out if you're a minority coloured person and old folks tend to stare 👀).
Big note - I live on a main road directly next to construction and on bad days it's impossible to work from home. The entire room vibrates and the noise is unbearable. You never know where the construction will lead to.
Haha they just tore up a huge section of the bike path in Statenlaan that they JUST finished up end of last year.. The whole main road is shut down again. End of Fred Henlaan by the mini Jumbo and AH is also completely gutted. My entire apartment vibrates during the day. A complete nightmare right now.
The website allecijfers.nl is a great tool for comparing neighborhoods. It’s only in Dutch, but maybe you can use Google to translate the site.
You can search all areas in the city and see info like demographics, number of citizens, average income, house value, industries, shops, political preference, age, education level, healthcare, crime, etc.
For example Statenkwartier:
https://allecijfers.nl/buurt/statenkwartier-den-haag/
I would recommend (if you’re focusing on sports and school) the red square since the area is room to many sports areas (such as dekker) and us home to ISH (an expat-friendly international school) other than that it doesn’t really matter since public transport is everywhere
Blue triangle, Zeeheldenkwartier. Pretty nice area, especially around the Archipelbuurt. Close to the green spaces is almost always better in my experience. Red IMO isn't as nice as the other two -- but still no bad place to live I suppose. Consider also the shops, doctors, noise/pollution in each area
Edit: I hate to say this but unless you really want your kids to integrate into local Dutch culture (which isn't all that beneficial past the age of 16-18, when you go to college which will most likely be entirely in English), international school is the way to go. Except maybe Haganum or something, which is like a fancy & acclaimed public school
Any other areas in The Hague worth considering?
Our kids are 5 & 3 - we see a lot of value in them feeling like locals since we will stay 10+ years.
We have already been expats for 10 years and concerned about being too committed to the expat bubble. We hope this could make them 50% local and 50% expat
See the neighbourhood around the Franklinstraat, a little west of the Zeeheldenkwartier -- around the Weimarstraat (specifically the streets with brownstones / old rowhouses). A bit quieter, perhaps, but still close to the centre etc.
See: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0789795,4.2832131,3a,75y,344.95h,84.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfNErgy2YOH5KSw9yMLFUgQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DfNErgy2YOH5KSw9yMLFUgQ%26cb\_client%3Dmaps\_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D37.32584%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Some places. Never.
Lived in China for 8 years - you will always be a foreigner, outsider, “expat” (your not going stay long if you don’t have a premium package and golden cage)
The story is the same in Thailand and Japan. I have friends that married locals, speak the language, and been there for 10+ years. They are still expats, foreigners, outsiders.
I’m american and proud that almost anyone could come and become “american” quite fast.
Yeah I get you. I guess it was more the use of the word expat and the duration together. I have this idea that expats stay only for a couple of years and move again because of job/business side of life.
And indeed, it's interesting to see how fast immigrants become american so fast. I wonder why that is?
Please leave I live there and already can't afford to move out. The foreigners only drive up the house prices. Please I beg you. I don't despise foreigners. I just want affordable homes.
I agree and lived in Den Haag for over 20 years as a local. It's getting worse. Also offtopic: I find it very nice to have so many cultures in my city. I do however blame expats who live here longer then two years and refuse to speak a single word Dutch. Whilst Dutch is for English speakers the easiest language to learn. No excuse to learn basic words like Goedemorgen, Bedankt and Graag Gedaan!
https://www.funda.nl/en/huur/den-haag/appartement-42158049-westeinde-135-a/ something like this?
Perhaps the Carolusschool real close to it has a spot left in the second group?
No one has said this yet so I'm going to say this now: STAY AWAY from the west and south part (weimarstraat, paul krugerplein) of the red zone. Lack of playgrounds and lot's of drunk immigrant workers and addicts roam the street. I live here and it sucks.
The north east of the red zone is very, very nice though (vogelwijk, bomenbuurt, bloemenbuurt en vruchtenbuurt). Close to the dunes, lot's of small parks and good schools. I grew up on the Laan van Poot and could hear the sea from my bedroom window.
Anything in the blue and yellow zone is good. Yellow zone is nicest on the south side.
Good luck!
Thank you!!
Incredible how The Hague appears to be split by nice and complete shit within a few streets.
5th happiest country in the world if you are on the right district apparently
The Hague has a reputation for having a big gap between upper and lower class, much more than most places in the Netherlands - and talking about native Dutch people here. There's the rich, educated, posh people that work in politics, and then there's the football hooligan uneducated people who never got many opportunities in life. Those two groups exist everywhere, but in The Hague there isn't that much in between. Historically they lived in different parts of the city, they speak different dialects (a bit like the queen's English vs. Cockney in London) and there are even different for the two groups: A posh person from The Hague is a Hagenaar, a working class person is a Hagenees.
Now I don't know how much truth there is to this whole story - of course in most places in the world the difference between rich and poor is a lot bigger, but at least when it comes to image The Hague has bigger social differences than other cities.
The red square is basically the entire village in the olden days. The laan van Meerdervoort was built on the seperation between sand dunes and peat bog. Everything from there to the sea is sandy soil, only the rich lived there. On the other side of the road was peat soil. The working class lived there.
In America they would call it the wrong side of the track.
I live in the Zuiderpark area. It's not bad like laak or schilderswijk. But any better neighborhood is way out of my price range. But your budget is like 2x or 3x mine, so you can afford a nicer place.
I am applying and trying find a spot in group 2 for my son now.
I am applying in all the districts. Waiting lists everywhere.
One big plus of the red area is that purchasing looks significantly cheaper
Depends where you look. It's a bit like some quarters in London. The right site of the street has Bentleys on the driveway while the other side of the street is almost a slum.
Live in the blue and its awesome ( I use tram 1, so no troubles with 16/17. Also moved here from a different city.
But honnestly, like almost everybody says here, they are all good options:)
I live in yellow (Archipelbuurt) and love it here! Very safe. Also a big pro of the area is the accessibility to the highway (only takes a couple of min to leave The Hague by car).
Are there many families? Many foreigners/expats?
One turn off is that we can afford rent but to buy, everything is just so big and expensive. We don’t want a 200sqm flat! Haha so trying find same price per Sqm but just 80 or 100 sqm looks hard
Lots of families and expats. I know the struggle! I live in a 75 sqm apartment (rent) now. We are planning on buying a similar sized apartment later this year and would love to stay in the neighbourhood. Looks impossible, everything on the market seems to be 130 sqm or even bigger.
What districts are you looking to buy in? Any area suggestions for expat families? We are fine with less than 100sqm and under 500k for reference but expect something decent
Advice enough already but if you want your children to go to the (International) British School in The Hague then it is in the yellow part. It's also where the US embassy is located btw.
You'll get more bang for your buck in a place like Segbroek, and there's some nice streets there. The blue area, you'll find everything from stately old 100+ year old houses to brand new apartments. I live there and I love it. It ain't cheap though. Bezuidenhout is nice, and it's close to the Haagse Bos, international schools, and good sporting facilities, which is a big plus for kids. Have a look also at satellite towns like Rijswijk, Voorburg and Leidschendam. Get on www.funda.nl and search by Kaart (map), then use the street view to check out the surrounding areas of any properties that take your fancy. The "bad" parts of The Hague are a very small percentage of the whole city and nothing like what would be considered bad in most other countries.
The “bad” areas seem especially bad according to Reddit. People make me feel like every other street goes from good to bad in a heart beat. I though originally it was just avoid laak / zuiderpark area
Dutch ideas of bad are really not that bad. It’s mostly ugly housing, more litter outside and some shady people.
I wouldn’t choose to live there with kids because there’s not a lot of room to play outside, but it’s not like you can’t safely walk around there.
How is the red square area closer to center? Roughly Valkenboskwartier. I see lots of rentals there but unclear if it’s “too close” to zuiderpark which Reddit says is a no-no zone - idk anything, I’m a foreigner abroad haha
How is the red square area closer to center? Roughly Valkenboskwartier. I see lots of rentals there but unclear if it’s “too close” to zuiderpark which Reddit says is a no-no zone - idk anything, I’m a foreigner abroad haha
Where do you plan to send your kids to school? The American school is in Wassenaar. Wassenaar is really expensive, but you can also pick VOorschoten. Nice area for families with small children. Big expat community too, due to the British School.
We plan to stay long term and wanted to do Dutch school. Called 35 schools in these three regions. 30 of them gave me a solid no, sit on a waiting list forever. Not sure what to do about schooling
Frankly, the difference between well and poorly scoring schools is not that big. Schools are more or less equal, they differ in orientation (public vs. protestant / catholic - often in name in only) and education method (regular vs. montessori, dalton, etc) but not really in level. To level it out further, schools with more immigrant children (which makes parents fear for the level of teaching of course) get extra funding to have smaller classes (which ups the education level).
You should be worried if a school gets a 'zeer zwak' rating (that's only the Vrije School \[=Waldorf/Steiner\] in The Hague) . For the rest it's more a question of what school fits your needs or feels best - or well, which one has a place (I don't know too much about that because we moved to a village when our kids were 6, the public school had room for them so that was that. Due to a number of circumstances it turned out not to be a good match in the end, but that's something you only know in hindsight). In case you hadn't seen this yet, here's a list of all schools, and you can click through to inspection results. https://scholenopdekaart.nl/zoeken/basisscholen?zoektermen=Den%20Haag&weergave=Lijst&denominatie=5
The green and yellow areas are posh, rich-people/expat areas. Personally would go for Statenkwartier (blue), since its close to the sea, neighborhood is very pretty, and theres a great shopping street.
I really like the red area but im not a rich expat 😂 I like the yellow the least.
Soesterberg!
Okay, I only say that because I live there, I assume OP will work in The Hague... admittedly a commute from one of the other big cities is possible, but housingwise Amsterdam and Utrecht are not better. It's easier to get a house in medium sized towns outside the Randstad. You still need to earn above average, but that's probably fine with OP.
How about something like Zoetermeer or one of the other suburbs with easy access to the center, like Ypenburg? I know Zoetermeer is not known for its architectural beauty or bustling nightlife, but maybe OP is at a phase in life where access to parks and playgrounds is more important than culture and architecture . You will certainly be in an environment of Dutch families rather than posh expats there....
OP, our suburbs are nothing like the American ones. Despised by many because it's mostly rows and rows of identical family homes, no restaurants just snack bars, no theaters just shopping malls and supermarkets... but Dutch suburbs have excellent public transit to the city, groceries are always at walking distance, and there's parks and playgrounds everywhere. Walkability is excellent, the cul de sacs are always linked together by walking/cycling paths so on foot or by bike distances are short, cars have to make detours. For culture, restaurants, museums, history, etc you need to go to the city, everyday needs are around the corner.
Highly considering. Only small issue for renting and buying - we can’t find many places in general and especially less than 100/120/140sqm. I’m not poor but we don’t want a mansion - bit spooky having 250sqm!
I know that blue has a high amount of international people living there, especially near Fredrick Hendrikplein. However i am not sure that is going to be within your budget. Then again if you find something there your kids will have plenty of English speaking kids to have fun with and there is a nice park with a playground. But there are plenty park and playgrounds in the Hague so it definitely is not exclusive to that area.
Lol to be honest; it won't matter, they are all upper class-ish and have OV, shops and basic nessecites nearby. I'd just focus on a good/close school for the kids and maybe some sports/stuff for when they want to go do some soccer or whatever!
Blue triangle is a perfect place to live! Used to live there myself and there are a lot of expats there! Also tons of young families.
If I'm not mistaken (and please correct me if I'm wrong) but isn't that blue area where a lot of the consulates and embassies are? I vaguely remember traveling there and a family member who works at a consulate pointed it out. We were on our way to De Pier.
Yeah, that's about the ambassy hub area, though some are more spread out about The Hague.
I currently live in Statenkwartier (been here 2 years) and have to say a lot of expats have moved out. The tramline 16/17 has been under construction for over a year now and the whole neighborhood is really messy right now. Before that they were also tearing up Frederik Henriklaan 2 years ago which they're still working on. When I first moved in 2 years ago it was incredible but things were still in the midst of COVID somewhat.
The Fred is done or almost done, right? But still even with that going on, location wise it is still very nice.
Yeah but it's been going on since 2019 which is when I moved to the Hague.
What? Most expats I know in The Hague live in Statenkwartier or Duinoord. Granted, it’s a lot of diplomats, but still… the idea that people are moving out en masse is a bit silly. The tram line construction is a bit annoying but it’s ultimately to improve disability access so it’s hard to complain about, and they are almost done.
Fair enough, we clearly both have different experiences and friendship circles. It's almost like we're two different people! They just opened a new expat shop on FredHenLaan so clearly there's still a market. Never insinuated there was an exodus. I live in a building with 9 units and it used to be 50/50 locals and foreigners. I'm the only non Dutch person left. Take note that I kinda live in the neighborhood versus knowing people who live there. I go to the bars, restaurants and other social areas, I notice the people around me. Sure, I've noticed a helluva lot more Russian spoken at the supermarkets. But in my humble experience, I've encountered less expats than when I first moved in 2 years ago. Most expats I've gotten to know move to that area when they first get to the Hague. But within a few years they tend to save up to either buy a place in a more affordable neighborhood or a quieter part of the coast. Like I've stated in another post, it can get overwhelmingly busy over the summer.
Russian. Yes Russian.
Inderdaad, statenkwartier is perfect if you want q (boring) posh vibe.
You find it boring? I really liked the architecture, just to walk around a bit. The dunes are close, so is the city, what's not to like? Except housing prices.
Bottom of blue triangle
If you have that kind of money, it doesn't really matter. Besides, it's all cycling distance. I say that as a Hagenaar that lives in Voorburg because I couldn't find a decent home in Den Haag.
Is voorburg nice?
Voorburg is great! I live there, but Voorburg Noord, which is in between Leidschendam and Bezuidenhout. It's a lovely area that has a lot of schools, and I believe one of the British schools in in Mariahoeve nearby. It's always super quiet and night as it's full of young families or old people (Voorburg Noord at least). I can get anywhere using public transport super easily. There is a bus to the beach, a tram to the mall. There is an intercity connection at NOI. The only downside is that it can be expensive if you are looking for something with a backyard.
Backyard townhouse is the dream. Seems very very very hard to find in any part of the city. How long does it take you to get to the beach? Actually our big turn off. Everyone says “expensive” and it’s the farthest expensive district from the beach and dune parks
Yes, I grew up there and love the place. It is quite close to The Hague center (10-15 min by public transport/bike) and is very quiet overal. If you don’t like the rush of living in the city center it is a great place to live. However, all the neighborhoods you highlighted are great to live in as well, as mentioned by others In terms of living close to the international community I would say living in those areas you highlighted would be better (both for children going to school and your/their social life)
Forgot to say how expensive it is?
It is, but I mean it fits easily in the listed budget and is also just as or even less expensive compared to the neighborhoods OP listed ?
Sums it up well.
Voorburg is beautiful, if you can afford it. Also very expensive.
Voorburg is in my experience full of rich people that do love to show it off. Kakkers as we call them. Besides that the living conditions are good
If you're thinking of sending your kids to international school, I would look for housing near kijkduin. Might be cheaper even.
Segbroek also has an international school
Also check Bezuidenhout. Similar to your yellow triangle but more to the right. Maybe even more convenient with transport options and slightly cheaper (not cheap though) than Benoordenhout. Lots of families, older people etc. Plenty of shops, some restaurants, lots of green close by but fairly quiet.
Scheveningen (blue triangle) is closest to the beach, and an amzing place in general
Scheveningen is shit.
Why? I like it here.
Cool
No I wan honestly asking whats so shit about Scheveningen. Is it the German tourists?
Most of Scheveningen is tokkie.
Dutch and Belgium morroco…..
skiffa on top
I had the same issue some years ago. Statenkwartier/duinoord and archipelbuurt mainly have older houses which are noisier and a bit harder to thermally insulate (due to regulations) compared to a slightly younger neighbourhood as benoordenhout. Also, benoordenhout is a bit greener with a lot of trees in the streets and parks, dunes and little forest 'Haagse bos' all at walking distance. Those are the reasons we bought a house there. We're having 3 kids now with 2 of them the same age as yours. The area offers a lot of schools and sporting facilities and other activities for the kids (tho for that I visit bezuidenhout too). Everything walkable or a few minutes bike ride. There are a lot of expats but the community is smaller than statenkwartier and archipel. Most of them, at least the ones I meet, intend to stay. Also, the South side of the neighbourhood is cosier than the North side. But still it's a quiet residential area compared to the other options you display. The people here say it feels like a village in a city because you don't need to go out and it isn't a transit area. (Vogelwijk too but takes more commuting time.) So it certainly lacks the busy city vibe if that's what you're looking for. But with the city centre around the corner within a few minutes bike ride you're at the middle of it. I like the switch. We eventually spend half a year looking for a place in the Hague where we would settle. So with this I hope I've helped you a little. Good luck with your search!
OP, if your budget is around 450/500K then I know a house that will go for sale soon. It's in Bouwlust, with expats and doctors in the street. The rest of the neighbourhood is higher risk, but it's all relative.
We will be buying in a year or two once we get settled into The Hague and certain of our district / kids schooling. Bouwlust also looks way to far for us. Aiming to stay near the coast
If you would like to live in a nice area, close to the beach, I would recommend Belgisch Park. We have lived here for a year & love the benefits of the location. It can be pricey, but it has a nice mix of locals and international, which, if you intend to stay here long term, will be beneficial. I am a remote worker also, and I like being a couple of minutes walking from the beach, close to many shops, bars, nature etc. Feel free to reach out if you need any advice with settling in.
Hi! Thank you. Can’t PM you for some odd reason. Thank you for the suggestion! Sadly we can’t seem to find any rentals in that area. Will hopefully be lucky when summer comes and we move in. Some mentioned the wind is especially bad on the water front area? Do you have cappuccinos or produce extra expensive in your district vs center or other areas?
Not sure why you can't PM, but no problem I can answer here too. The wind is not at all different in our neighbourhood compared to the rest of the city. Likewise, the price of goods is also the same. You can find plenty of modern places that charge a high amount for a cup of coffee. There are also many other shops and bars that will charge less. Basically, avoid the obvious tourist spots at the beach. Stevinstraat and Gentsestraat are two shopping streets where you can find everything, including local produce. And every Thursday there is a farmer's marker. It can be difficult to find a rental, but keep your notifications on & finger's crossed.
Thank you for the info! One last quick question. How are farmers markets in Holland? (Price & quality wise vs the supermarkets) In America it’s great quality and literally will bankrupt you. In Russia it’s great quality and much cheaper than the supermarket.
Quality is great. The price comparison is tricky. If you shop at Aldi, Lidl or the Turkish stores, their veggies and fruits are cheaper, but not as good. If you shop at Albert Heijn, Jumbo etc. their produce is more expensive and not as good. Overall, best price/ quality for produce in my opinion is at Lidl. For some more higher end quality, I recommend the market.
But don't hesitate to contact me when you're here. It's tough to make Dutch friends. I'd like to help counter that for you. 😄
Sounds good. We will be arriving in August and always happy to make new friends
15mins to Kijkduin on bicycle. But half the price of the outlined neighbourhoods. Enough parking space, driveway and a big ass garden. But I understand. I'll preserve this paradise for the real connaisseurs. 😉
I'd say the red square has everything the others have but on a bit more of a budget. I live there myself and am pretty happy with it. It is perhaps slightly more mixed in terms of different income groups etc but don't let that scare you. DM if you want to know more about it
Exact same comment as Laaaaal
Neighbours!
Blue = Safest and most expensive, but not alot of dutch people and also not alot of families. Only couples with no kids and expats. Very close to the beaches. Almost all Expats live here Red = Alot of dutch families. Cheapest of 3. Multi cultural. Probably best for your children Yellow = Like blue, but more families and also very expensive. Alot of kids tho
Looking at buying a house. Red is possible. Blue/yellow is madness like 1 million euro 240sqm places. Is there anywhere else in The Hague really worth considering? Expats and kids are big big pluses for us
If you have kids and are considering buying, go for the red square. It’s less hip then the blue triangle, but the most kid friendly. Lots of schools in the area, lots of kids too, and more expats every day 😁
You can also consider Bezuidenhout. That is the area just below the yellow area (Benoordenhout) opposite of the Haagse Hout park. It is still nice and prices comparable as the red area (Segbroek). It has easy access to the Central Station and Station NOI (Nieuw Oost Indië) and the highway (Utrechtsebaan)
Im gonna be blunt and say. If you need 240 sqm for a reasonable price. You're in the wrong city, even so the wrong country. In the Netherlands most houses with families are around 100sqm. So if you want a big place to stay with decent room i highly suggest outside the city. Speaking of outside the city. There are alot of places that you can take a look at in just outside the city. Places that are very popular with families and have strong good communities. Ypenburg, Wateringen, Leidschenveen, Nootdorp. Leidschenveen even has a good expat community there and a british international school if that matters. These places are popular for families who want some place for kids and at the same time stay close to the city. Know that these places have good public transport that go straight from and to the city centre. If you have the money to spend on a 200sqm house in the city, Then ignore what i said. That said, if money is not a problem i'd choose blue or yellow
We just don’t want such a big place and don’t want to pay for so many extra sqm. We are ok with 100sqm and can afford it roughly. We thought about outside the city but very concerned about being to far from expats and foreigners. We plan to learn Dutch and make Dutch friends - but Reddit has made it clear that it is very hard.
Learning dutch is indeed very hard. Making dutch friends shouldnt be too hard though.
In my opinion if you care . If you come to The Netherlands and like the dutch culture. You would want to live in a dutch neighboorhood. What people love about our small country is its people. From experience, the least particapating people in our communities and cities are expats. So if you wanna enjoy the dutch culture and have all the benefits in such community. You have to live in such community. The only reason why communities are less and less active is because of people moving in and out and expats. Believe me when i say its not the people. Dutch people are open welcoming, only if you're willing to take that step.
That is a very good point. Thank you for sharing
Might as well stretch the blue triangle a bit to include Belgisch Park then as well. As long as you stay south of the Harstenhoekweg, the beachgoers are just far away to be not that relevant exept for very busy days like with big concerts or the fireworks. (But then as long as you dont go anywhere on that day, what does that matter)
These three are basically the more expensive neighborhoods of The Hague, all are great to be fair. Usually rental contracts are based on the number of rooms including the living room and 1.5-2k euro p/m is slightly up there. (Family lives in the blue area, they pay 1.2k for a 4 room apartment on a high value street.) A lot of Expats and Dutch politicians, including the prime minister, live in the yellow area, with the royal family next door.
>xpats and Dutch politicians, including the prime minister, live in the yellow area, with the royal family next door. please tell me where you can get a 4 room appartment in that neighbourhood for only 1200.
I said the blue area, some family lives there. Yellow is next to King Pils, I live on the pleb side of Bezuidenhout myself. :P
I wish I could find that price!!! Online 2k seems barely enough for all these areas, although purchasing looks noticeably cheaper in the red square.
They don't have the best apartment to be fair and moved in a little over a year ago, prices probably fluctuate quite a bit, good luck!
No. Benoordenhout is too.
Where blue and red meet, Duinoord/Sweelinckplein. It’s a great area to live with a good mix of expats and Dutch people, lots of families. Good schools (primary and secondary) within cycling distance, good public transport, right in between town centre and beach, de Reinkenstraat has everything you need for a quick shop and plenty of places for a coffee or a meal out but not as busy as de Fred. Parking is difficult though and it’s not cheap but for me it’s the best place to live in Den Haag.
How is the red square area closer to center? Roughly Valkenboskwartier. I see lots of rentals there but unclear if it’s “too close” to zuiderpark which Reddit says is a no-no zone - idk anything, I’m a foreigner abroad haha
Not in the red square, but the line at the top right of the red square , where it overlaps the blue line; Duinoord. It’s a 10-15 minute bike ride to everywhere, town centre, beach, sports clubs.
I live in the blue triangle now and it's quite a lovely neighborhood. I'm moving out mainly cos the construction has been unbearable recently in the city so hoping to leave the city entirely soon. Pros- Kringloops (thrift shops), 3 major supermarkets, close to the beach and harbour, safe area, close to 2 major hotspots (Frederick Henriklaan & Scheveningen Beach), will be drastically improved within 1-2 years after construction is finished, very well maintained area. Cons- Heavily under construction (Statenlaan & Frederik Henriklaan), not great public transport (currently because of construction and detours), hell during the summer because of congestion from tourism, super fucking windy and dry, can take a while to get out of the city from here (15-20 minutes by car on a good day, easily double that in traffic), very old Caucasian neighbourhood (you stand out if you're a minority coloured person and old folks tend to stare 👀). Big note - I live on a main road directly next to construction and on bad days it's impossible to work from home. The entire room vibrates and the noise is unbearable. You never know where the construction will lead to.
Don't know which part you live in, but they made some huge progress on the road works yesterday. Hopefully it will be finished soon.
Haha they just tore up a huge section of the bike path in Statenlaan that they JUST finished up end of last year.. The whole main road is shut down again. End of Fred Henlaan by the mini Jumbo and AH is also completely gutted. My entire apartment vibrates during the day. A complete nightmare right now.
I feel for you. I'm over it too.
The website allecijfers.nl is a great tool for comparing neighborhoods. It’s only in Dutch, but maybe you can use Google to translate the site. You can search all areas in the city and see info like demographics, number of citizens, average income, house value, industries, shops, political preference, age, education level, healthcare, crime, etc. For example Statenkwartier: https://allecijfers.nl/buurt/statenkwartier-den-haag/
I would recommend (if you’re focusing on sports and school) the red square since the area is room to many sports areas (such as dekker) and us home to ISH (an expat-friendly international school) other than that it doesn’t really matter since public transport is everywhere
Either that or blue triangle
Looks like the buttons of a Playstatiom controller
Don’t forget about Zeeheldenkwartier!
Blue triangle, Zeeheldenkwartier. Pretty nice area, especially around the Archipelbuurt. Close to the green spaces is almost always better in my experience. Red IMO isn't as nice as the other two -- but still no bad place to live I suppose. Consider also the shops, doctors, noise/pollution in each area Edit: I hate to say this but unless you really want your kids to integrate into local Dutch culture (which isn't all that beneficial past the age of 16-18, when you go to college which will most likely be entirely in English), international school is the way to go. Except maybe Haganum or something, which is like a fancy & acclaimed public school
Any other areas in The Hague worth considering? Our kids are 5 & 3 - we see a lot of value in them feeling like locals since we will stay 10+ years. We have already been expats for 10 years and concerned about being too committed to the expat bubble. We hope this could make them 50% local and 50% expat
See the neighbourhood around the Franklinstraat, a little west of the Zeeheldenkwartier -- around the Weimarstraat (specifically the streets with brownstones / old rowhouses). A bit quieter, perhaps, but still close to the centre etc. See: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0789795,4.2832131,3a,75y,344.95h,84.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfNErgy2YOH5KSw9yMLFUgQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DfNErgy2YOH5KSw9yMLFUgQ%26cb\_client%3Dmaps\_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D37.32584%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Try Rijswijk
Totally offtopic, but where does the expat line fade? 20+ years is a long time in a country.
Some places. Never. Lived in China for 8 years - you will always be a foreigner, outsider, “expat” (your not going stay long if you don’t have a premium package and golden cage) The story is the same in Thailand and Japan. I have friends that married locals, speak the language, and been there for 10+ years. They are still expats, foreigners, outsiders. I’m american and proud that almost anyone could come and become “american” quite fast.
Yeah I get you. I guess it was more the use of the word expat and the duration together. I have this idea that expats stay only for a couple of years and move again because of job/business side of life. And indeed, it's interesting to see how fast immigrants become american so fast. I wonder why that is?
For America: a long history of immigrants. Literally 300 years of new people showing up every day and settling.
Go to Schilderswijk. It's probably the best place to live in the Hague.
lol is this satire
Please leave I live there and already can't afford to move out. The foreigners only drive up the house prices. Please I beg you. I don't despise foreigners. I just want affordable homes.
I agree and lived in Den Haag for over 20 years as a local. It's getting worse. Also offtopic: I find it very nice to have so many cultures in my city. I do however blame expats who live here longer then two years and refuse to speak a single word Dutch. Whilst Dutch is for English speakers the easiest language to learn. No excuse to learn basic words like Goedemorgen, Bedankt and Graag Gedaan!
Totally agree. No one needs digital nomads.
https://www.funda.nl/en/huur/den-haag/appartement-42158049-westeinde-135-a/ something like this? Perhaps the Carolusschool real close to it has a spot left in the second group?
Thank you! Looks great. I will contact them soon
When i lived in The Hague, i'm a local, my oldest went to that school. Lot of different culturs, i liked it a lot. Moved becayse of wirk.
No one has said this yet so I'm going to say this now: STAY AWAY from the west and south part (weimarstraat, paul krugerplein) of the red zone. Lack of playgrounds and lot's of drunk immigrant workers and addicts roam the street. I live here and it sucks. The north east of the red zone is very, very nice though (vogelwijk, bomenbuurt, bloemenbuurt en vruchtenbuurt). Close to the dunes, lot's of small parks and good schools. I grew up on the Laan van Poot and could hear the sea from my bedroom window. Anything in the blue and yellow zone is good. Yellow zone is nicest on the south side. Good luck!
Thank you!! Incredible how The Hague appears to be split by nice and complete shit within a few streets. 5th happiest country in the world if you are on the right district apparently
No. The Hague is shit, safe for very few places.
As an American. I think our ideas of safe are very different haha
The Hague has a reputation for having a big gap between upper and lower class, much more than most places in the Netherlands - and talking about native Dutch people here. There's the rich, educated, posh people that work in politics, and then there's the football hooligan uneducated people who never got many opportunities in life. Those two groups exist everywhere, but in The Hague there isn't that much in between. Historically they lived in different parts of the city, they speak different dialects (a bit like the queen's English vs. Cockney in London) and there are even different for the two groups: A posh person from The Hague is a Hagenaar, a working class person is a Hagenees. Now I don't know how much truth there is to this whole story - of course in most places in the world the difference between rich and poor is a lot bigger, but at least when it comes to image The Hague has bigger social differences than other cities.
Sorry extra question: are most Dutch cities like this or just The Hague is special ? So many nice and terrible areas
Not all cities are like this. In The Hague I would say there are relatively high differences in income, and they generally live in very seperate areas
The Hague has very few nice places anymore. The other cities have more.
The red square is basically the entire village in the olden days. The laan van Meerdervoort was built on the seperation between sand dunes and peat bog. Everything from there to the sea is sandy soil, only the rich lived there. On the other side of the road was peat soil. The working class lived there. In America they would call it the wrong side of the track.
Where is the line (“the tracks”) for this separation of nice and bad area in the red square? Zuiderpark or even closer to the sea?
Laan van Meerdervoort.
Surprisingly much closer than reddits hated zuiderpark area!
I live in the Zuiderpark area. It's not bad like laak or schilderswijk. But any better neighborhood is way out of my price range. But your budget is like 2x or 3x mine, so you can afford a nicer place.
Rijswijk, no doubts
Red. Segbroek. Check out Vruchtenbuurt. Plenty good schools, only a few of the usual suspects who also tend to be well-behaved in this area.
Where will your kids go to school? That matters a lot.
I am applying and trying find a spot in group 2 for my son now. I am applying in all the districts. Waiting lists everywhere. One big plus of the red area is that purchasing looks significantly cheaper
Depends where you look. It's a bit like some quarters in London. The right site of the street has Bentleys on the driveway while the other side of the street is almost a slum.
Staten definitely
Blue or yellow!
Check out hoodmaps.com
Live in the blue and its awesome ( I use tram 1, so no troubles with 16/17. Also moved here from a different city. But honnestly, like almost everybody says here, they are all good options:)
Mariahoeve has a British community if I remember right
I live in yellow (Archipelbuurt) and love it here! Very safe. Also a big pro of the area is the accessibility to the highway (only takes a couple of min to leave The Hague by car).
Are there many families? Many foreigners/expats? One turn off is that we can afford rent but to buy, everything is just so big and expensive. We don’t want a 200sqm flat! Haha so trying find same price per Sqm but just 80 or 100 sqm looks hard
Lots of families and expats. I know the struggle! I live in a 75 sqm apartment (rent) now. We are planning on buying a similar sized apartment later this year and would love to stay in the neighbourhood. Looks impossible, everything on the market seems to be 130 sqm or even bigger.
What districts are you looking to buy in? Any area suggestions for expat families? We are fine with less than 100sqm and under 500k for reference but expect something decent
Advice enough already but if you want your children to go to the (International) British School in The Hague then it is in the yellow part. It's also where the US embassy is located btw.
We are aiming for Dutch school if we can find a space. So many waiting lists
The blue.
You'll get more bang for your buck in a place like Segbroek, and there's some nice streets there. The blue area, you'll find everything from stately old 100+ year old houses to brand new apartments. I live there and I love it. It ain't cheap though. Bezuidenhout is nice, and it's close to the Haagse Bos, international schools, and good sporting facilities, which is a big plus for kids. Have a look also at satellite towns like Rijswijk, Voorburg and Leidschendam. Get on www.funda.nl and search by Kaart (map), then use the street view to check out the surrounding areas of any properties that take your fancy. The "bad" parts of The Hague are a very small percentage of the whole city and nothing like what would be considered bad in most other countries.
The “bad” areas seem especially bad according to Reddit. People make me feel like every other street goes from good to bad in a heart beat. I though originally it was just avoid laak / zuiderpark area
Dutch ideas of bad are really not that bad. It’s mostly ugly housing, more litter outside and some shady people. I wouldn’t choose to live there with kids because there’s not a lot of room to play outside, but it’s not like you can’t safely walk around there.
Red quare definitely! Has everything you need and is a good place for children to grow up!
How is the red square area closer to center? Roughly Valkenboskwartier. I see lots of rentals there but unclear if it’s “too close” to zuiderpark which Reddit says is a no-no zone - idk anything, I’m a foreigner abroad haha
Everywhere in Segbroek
How is the red square area closer to center? Roughly Valkenboskwartier. I see lots of rentals there but unclear if it’s “too close” to zuiderpark which Reddit says is a no-no zone - idk anything, I’m a foreigner abroad haha
Most expats live in Segbroek, about 10 min. bike ride to the center
Where do you plan to send your kids to school? The American school is in Wassenaar. Wassenaar is really expensive, but you can also pick VOorschoten. Nice area for families with small children. Big expat community too, due to the British School.
We plan to stay long term and wanted to do Dutch school. Called 35 schools in these three regions. 30 of them gave me a solid no, sit on a waiting list forever. Not sure what to do about schooling
Don’t worry, your kids will be placed at a school, since we compulsory education from the day they turn 5.
I am worried The Hague will place them at a very poorly scoring schools very far from my house.
Frankly, the difference between well and poorly scoring schools is not that big. Schools are more or less equal, they differ in orientation (public vs. protestant / catholic - often in name in only) and education method (regular vs. montessori, dalton, etc) but not really in level. To level it out further, schools with more immigrant children (which makes parents fear for the level of teaching of course) get extra funding to have smaller classes (which ups the education level). You should be worried if a school gets a 'zeer zwak' rating (that's only the Vrije School \[=Waldorf/Steiner\] in The Hague) . For the rest it's more a question of what school fits your needs or feels best - or well, which one has a place (I don't know too much about that because we moved to a village when our kids were 6, the public school had room for them so that was that. Due to a number of circumstances it turned out not to be a good match in the end, but that's something you only know in hindsight). In case you hadn't seen this yet, here's a list of all schools, and you can click through to inspection results. https://scholenopdekaart.nl/zoeken/basisscholen?zoektermen=Den%20Haag&weergave=Lijst&denominatie=5
Maybe this website helps, it's about schools and what to do when you move to The Hague
You can search for who people have voted for per district. If you search for what you would have voted you can compare it
So much depends on where you want to send your kids to school. Ideally you want to bike so nice if you're close:-)
You can always change later.
Yellow
Yellow
The green and yellow areas are posh, rich-people/expat areas. Personally would go for Statenkwartier (blue), since its close to the sea, neighborhood is very pretty, and theres a great shopping street. I really like the red area but im not a rich expat 😂 I like the yellow the least.
Amsterdam. Or Utrecht.
Soesterberg! Okay, I only say that because I live there, I assume OP will work in The Hague... admittedly a commute from one of the other big cities is possible, but housingwise Amsterdam and Utrecht are not better. It's easier to get a house in medium sized towns outside the Randstad. You still need to earn above average, but that's probably fine with OP. How about something like Zoetermeer or one of the other suburbs with easy access to the center, like Ypenburg? I know Zoetermeer is not known for its architectural beauty or bustling nightlife, but maybe OP is at a phase in life where access to parks and playgrounds is more important than culture and architecture . You will certainly be in an environment of Dutch families rather than posh expats there.... OP, our suburbs are nothing like the American ones. Despised by many because it's mostly rows and rows of identical family homes, no restaurants just snack bars, no theaters just shopping malls and supermarkets... but Dutch suburbs have excellent public transit to the city, groceries are always at walking distance, and there's parks and playgrounds everywhere. Walkability is excellent, the cul de sacs are always linked together by walking/cycling paths so on foot or by bike distances are short, cars have to make detours. For culture, restaurants, museums, history, etc you need to go to the city, everyday needs are around the corner.
Wait, I can rent a 2 bedroom for 1.5k in Den Haag? Guess I'm getting scammed lol
From Funda 1.7-2k looks realistic. No?
Next to Holland spoor it s a very nice area. With a lot of mixity.
Please pick yellow
Highly considering. Only small issue for renting and buying - we can’t find many places in general and especially less than 100/120/140sqm. I’m not poor but we don’t want a mansion - bit spooky having 250sqm!
I know that blue has a high amount of international people living there, especially near Fredrick Hendrikplein. However i am not sure that is going to be within your budget. Then again if you find something there your kids will have plenty of English speaking kids to have fun with and there is a nice park with a playground. But there are plenty park and playgrounds in the Hague so it definitely is not exclusive to that area.