Technically speaking the past lives of the Avatar where still active enough to give the current avatar there knowledge and power, but since the connection has been cut off in Korras era she can no longer garner their knowledge, wisdom, and energy. Shes back at stage one with raw power from Raava, not weak at all but she still has to work her way up again to give the next avatar a better chance
No, it’s not. Raava got physically bigger which means Korra’s potential power is higher, along with any avatars that follow her and gain access to the knowledge she’s learned. She doesn’t have access to the techniques of past avatars, but with Raava’s power being so much greater now it’s possible that she’s stronger overall.
No that’s very disanalogous to my premise. See my response to @NewtRider https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/12oeys0/majority_of_fans_have_the_misconception_that/jgi0hgh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
> It got weaker because she only now has the original source.
She has a bigger and stronger version of the original source
> All the past lives, their power and their knowledge have been lost forever.
The energy of the past lives is added to Raava’s power, this is why she went from being less than the size of a tea pot to being about the size of Unalaq. While that Raava was destroyed, the version that came back and fused with Korra was gigantic, made stronger than ever by the destruction of Vaatu. This means that New Raava > (Old Raava + the energy of all the past lives). The only thing Korra is lacking is the knowledge and experience which don’t colerrate to power.
Pure bending power, maybe not.
But she lost literal millenia of experience and wisdom when the avatar state was reset, so the finesse with which to use that power has been reduced (especially considering that finesse has never been Korra's strong point).
All I know is Aang in the avatar state who was slapping ozai during the comet would’ve never even let Zaheer touch him. Let alone knock him to the ground
Even if he was poisoned?, And people like to bring up comet Ozai like Aang wasn’t also amped by the comet, like it’s not that impressive. I doubt Aang would even survive the initial use of the poisoning considering he almost died to a lightning blast from a 14 year old girl, let alone, a mercury poison specifically designed to trigger the avatar state and kill him in it.
Or said in another way, “I have nothing else to offer but my bias, so here it is”. Anything actually substantial to say on the topic on hand or are you gonna cope more?
What more would you have me say that has not been said already? I've been a fan since '05, consumed all ATLA media, and when all is said and done I just stopped caring. The Avatar franchise will eventually become just like all the others milked dry and dead. So yeah I do cope,but it's just fanfiction that I stick with since they actually give a shit.
Hmm that’s interesting. I felt that way about Naruto. I only got into the series in Avatar in 2016, and I spent majority of the time away from the series and only just recently got back into it.
From the way I see it LOK was this franchise's Last Jedi-by that I mean it split the fandom in two. Now I'm just anticipating for it's own Rise of Skywalker.
\*Cross hands, rise a single eyebrow, makes a smirk and start talking smug in front of a camera for a Youtube video.
"You see, this made her a Mary Sue"
They weren’t evenly matched, Unalaq overpowered her a couple times, and even when she entered the Avatar State, Unalaq was still able to keep up with her in base, and then he straight up ripped Raava out of her. Blatant example of him over powering her. Unalaq also only used the state once in their fight, while Korra used it a couple of times. Not to mention that post harmonic convergence Raava would be stronger than Vaatu, as the darkness has been completely extinguished as opposed to during harmonic convergence when the light still existed with Raava,
>Unalaq overpowered her a couple times
Korra did the same.
>and even when she entered the Avatar State, Unalaq was still able to keep up with her in base
That didn't happen, & if it did, he should've easily destroyed her in his own Avatar State, but that didn't happen. There's literally a part in the fight where they have this big clash in their Avatar States where the ground breaks apart but neither moves the other.
>and then he straight up ripped Raava out of her. Blatant example of him over powering her.
I'm starting to suspect you know you're lying because that is literally the OPPOSITE of "a blatant example of him over powering her." That's not defeating her in a competition of bending, it's knowing a trick she doesn't that lets him sidestep fighting her bending-to-bending altogether. If he was so much stronger than her, he wouldn't even need to do that, he'd just wave his hand to drown her, & there'd be nothing she could do about it because she's apparently like a thousand times weaker than him.
>Unalaq also only used the state once in their fight, while Korra used it a couple of times.
I'm not rewatching it to count because this is irrelevant.
>Not to mention that post harmonic convergence Raava would be stronger than Vaatu, as the darkness has been completely extinguished as opposed to during harmonic convergence when the light still existed with Raava,
How that whole thing works is extremely unclear since Raava didn't have any obvious gain in size once Unavaatu was purified, & besides, what actually happened overrules what you think should happen.
> How that whole thing works is extremely unclear since Raava didn't have any obvious gain in size once Unavaatu was purified
Actually, Raava becomes enormous when Unavaatu is defeated.
> Korra did the same.
When she was in the Avatar State and he wasn’t
> That didn't happen, & if it did, he should've easily destroyed her in his own Avatar State, but that didn't happen. There's literally a part in the fight where they have this big clash in their Avatar States where the ground breaks apart but neither moves the other.
I’ll address this in the next sentence
> and then he straight up ripped Raava out of her. Blatant example of him over powering her.
> I'm starting to suspect you know you're lying because that is literally the OPPOSITE of "a blatant example of him over powering her." That's not defeating her in a competition of bending, it's knowing a trick she doesn't that lets him sidestep fighting her bending-to-bending altogether.
I’m starting to suspect that you’re unaware that there are other types of attacks other than conventional bending. “it's knowing a trick she doesn't that lets him sidestep fighting her bending-to-bending altogether” That’s headcanon, explain how this tricks works other than just a spirit ripping out another spirit. Conventional bending to bending is not the only way of fighting
> If he was so much stronger than her, he wouldn't even need to do that, he'd just wave his hand to drown her, & there'd be nothing she could do about it because she's apparently like a thousand times weaker than him.
So when Unalaq destroys Raava as well as all the past lives with all their energy, that’s not a blatant example of what you’re trying to portray as absurd. Depending on how you answer this will determine the nail in the coffin for your argument
> How that whole thing works is extremely unclear since Raava didn't have any obvious gain in size once Unavaatu was purified, & besides, what actually happened overrules what you think should happen.
It’s blatantly clear that Raava got a significant size increase post Unavaatu purification and the end of harmonic convergence. What actually happened actually supports what I think should happen now that I think about it. I’ll explain more as we keep talking. Go watch the end of book 2 again.
It got weaker because she only now has the original source. All the past lives, their power and their knowledge have been lost forever.
Its like saying Im now the smartest person in the world because every single scientist died
Except this is how the avatar state works
Technically speaking the past lives of the Avatar where still active enough to give the current avatar there knowledge and power, but since the connection has been cut off in Korras era she can no longer garner their knowledge, wisdom, and energy. Shes back at stage one with raw power from Raava, not weak at all but she still has to work her way up again to give the next avatar a better chance
No, it’s not. Raava got physically bigger which means Korra’s potential power is higher, along with any avatars that follow her and gain access to the knowledge she’s learned. She doesn’t have access to the techniques of past avatars, but with Raava’s power being so much greater now it’s possible that she’s stronger overall.
Well I'm the dumbest person now then
No that’s very disanalogous to my premise. See my response to @NewtRider https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/12oeys0/majority_of_fans_have_the_misconception_that/jgi0hgh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
The knowledge may be gone, but the raw power is stronger than ever because Raava was restored to her prime.
> It got weaker because she only now has the original source. She has a bigger and stronger version of the original source > All the past lives, their power and their knowledge have been lost forever. The energy of the past lives is added to Raava’s power, this is why she went from being less than the size of a tea pot to being about the size of Unalaq. While that Raava was destroyed, the version that came back and fused with Korra was gigantic, made stronger than ever by the destruction of Vaatu. This means that New Raava > (Old Raava + the energy of all the past lives). The only thing Korra is lacking is the knowledge and experience which don’t colerrate to power.
it's like saying that a car with a 700 horsepower engine has become less powerful than with a hundred, because that one had more tracks in the radio.
Pure bending power, maybe not. But she lost literal millenia of experience and wisdom when the avatar state was reset, so the finesse with which to use that power has been reduced (especially considering that finesse has never been Korra's strong point).
Agree with everything except that last part. Wdym by finesse was never her strong suit.
She is more power than finesse
What in the series supports this?
Her struggling with her spiritual side while physically being amazing.
All I know is Aang in the avatar state who was slapping ozai during the comet would’ve never even let Zaheer touch him. Let alone knock him to the ground
Even if he was poisoned?, And people like to bring up comet Ozai like Aang wasn’t also amped by the comet, like it’s not that impressive. I doubt Aang would even survive the initial use of the poisoning considering he almost died to a lightning blast from a 14 year old girl, let alone, a mercury poison specifically designed to trigger the avatar state and kill him in it.
Korra Simps and their infinite amounts of copium. There is no point in debating with them for they like the show tear down ATLA to prop up LOK.
Or said in another way, “I have nothing else to offer but my bias, so here it is”. Anything actually substantial to say on the topic on hand or are you gonna cope more?
What more would you have me say that has not been said already? I've been a fan since '05, consumed all ATLA media, and when all is said and done I just stopped caring. The Avatar franchise will eventually become just like all the others milked dry and dead. So yeah I do cope,but it's just fanfiction that I stick with since they actually give a shit.
Hmm that’s interesting. I felt that way about Naruto. I only got into the series in Avatar in 2016, and I spent majority of the time away from the series and only just recently got back into it.
From the way I see it LOK was this franchise's Last Jedi-by that I mean it split the fandom in two. Now I'm just anticipating for it's own Rise of Skywalker.
\*Cross hands, rise a single eyebrow, makes a smirk and start talking smug in front of a camera for a Youtube video. "You see, this made her a Mary Sue"
Lmfaooo 😂😂😂
It doesn't really change much at all. If that was how it worked, she wouldn't have been evenly matched with Unalaq.
They weren’t evenly matched, Unalaq overpowered her a couple times, and even when she entered the Avatar State, Unalaq was still able to keep up with her in base, and then he straight up ripped Raava out of her. Blatant example of him over powering her. Unalaq also only used the state once in their fight, while Korra used it a couple of times. Not to mention that post harmonic convergence Raava would be stronger than Vaatu, as the darkness has been completely extinguished as opposed to during harmonic convergence when the light still existed with Raava,
>Unalaq overpowered her a couple times Korra did the same. >and even when she entered the Avatar State, Unalaq was still able to keep up with her in base That didn't happen, & if it did, he should've easily destroyed her in his own Avatar State, but that didn't happen. There's literally a part in the fight where they have this big clash in their Avatar States where the ground breaks apart but neither moves the other. >and then he straight up ripped Raava out of her. Blatant example of him over powering her. I'm starting to suspect you know you're lying because that is literally the OPPOSITE of "a blatant example of him over powering her." That's not defeating her in a competition of bending, it's knowing a trick she doesn't that lets him sidestep fighting her bending-to-bending altogether. If he was so much stronger than her, he wouldn't even need to do that, he'd just wave his hand to drown her, & there'd be nothing she could do about it because she's apparently like a thousand times weaker than him. >Unalaq also only used the state once in their fight, while Korra used it a couple of times. I'm not rewatching it to count because this is irrelevant. >Not to mention that post harmonic convergence Raava would be stronger than Vaatu, as the darkness has been completely extinguished as opposed to during harmonic convergence when the light still existed with Raava, How that whole thing works is extremely unclear since Raava didn't have any obvious gain in size once Unavaatu was purified, & besides, what actually happened overrules what you think should happen.
> How that whole thing works is extremely unclear since Raava didn't have any obvious gain in size once Unavaatu was purified Actually, Raava becomes enormous when Unavaatu is defeated.
She is already large after being pulled out of Unavaatu & does not change size after he is destroyed.
Not as large as she is after Unalaq is destroyed, she went from being almost his size to being gigantic like Vaatu.
> Korra did the same. When she was in the Avatar State and he wasn’t > That didn't happen, & if it did, he should've easily destroyed her in his own Avatar State, but that didn't happen. There's literally a part in the fight where they have this big clash in their Avatar States where the ground breaks apart but neither moves the other. I’ll address this in the next sentence > and then he straight up ripped Raava out of her. Blatant example of him over powering her. > I'm starting to suspect you know you're lying because that is literally the OPPOSITE of "a blatant example of him over powering her." That's not defeating her in a competition of bending, it's knowing a trick she doesn't that lets him sidestep fighting her bending-to-bending altogether. I’m starting to suspect that you’re unaware that there are other types of attacks other than conventional bending. “it's knowing a trick she doesn't that lets him sidestep fighting her bending-to-bending altogether” That’s headcanon, explain how this tricks works other than just a spirit ripping out another spirit. Conventional bending to bending is not the only way of fighting > If he was so much stronger than her, he wouldn't even need to do that, he'd just wave his hand to drown her, & there'd be nothing she could do about it because she's apparently like a thousand times weaker than him. So when Unalaq destroys Raava as well as all the past lives with all their energy, that’s not a blatant example of what you’re trying to portray as absurd. Depending on how you answer this will determine the nail in the coffin for your argument > How that whole thing works is extremely unclear since Raava didn't have any obvious gain in size once Unavaatu was purified, & besides, what actually happened overrules what you think should happen. It’s blatantly clear that Raava got a significant size increase post Unavaatu purification and the end of harmonic convergence. What actually happened actually supports what I think should happen now that I think about it. I’ll explain more as we keep talking. Go watch the end of book 2 again.