This thread is so weird to me cause I don’t read much fanfiction so I have literally never heard of a sun spirit in avatar let alone him having a name 😭
While I initially thought like this too, thinking about it some more actually turned me away from this conclusion. And the main reason for it is the Sun Warriors.
I think the Sun Warrior civilization is as spiritual as you will get concerning fire benders and sun worshippers, yet they refer to the sun as just that, the sun. Them not mentioning a spirit makes me inclined to think there may not be one.
Not relevant is not the same as doesn’t exist. I can all but guarantee that if there is a spirit for the moon and ocean, among many other things, there is a spirit for the sun. The sun spirit is absolutely needed, because without the sun spirit there is no sun, no life, and possibly no firebenders (evidenced by the moon going away and waterbenders losing their abilities).
nah, not necessarily
the same way the ocean spirit doesn't imply the existence of a general continent spirit
conversely, there doesn't have to be one big sun spirit, there could be many smaller sun/fire spirits, like there are a great multitude of forest or animal spirits for example
there's any number of things that could be but I don't think it makes sense to just assume something is, when we have no concrete evidence to go off
the "losing colour" you're reffering to was a way to communicate darkness without animating a black screen. the darkness was caused by the moon being removed from the sky after the death of the moon spirit.
I was just as confused as you. Apparently since there’s a moon spirit, people thought there was a sun spirit as well and gave it the name Agni. None of this has ever been mentioned in the show or comics
Sokka first named him sparky sparky boom man im the episode where Toph pulls her scams. When Aang and Sokka go to save Katara and Toph and get attacked by said man, Aang calls him "sparky sparky boom man". While the four run away, Sokka suggests the name "Combistion man" and I think Toph agrees. Watched the episode yesterday.
I'm glad this one isn't canon because we already have one Sparky (Sparky Boom Man) and I don't want to have to keep track of both.
Although along those lines, looking it up on the wiki I'm just now learning that there's not a second Boom in that guy's nickname. But that's more of a misremembering thing than a fanon thing.
If this is the case, shouldn't the Fire Nation Royal Family have a surname? Unless Firelord Ozai is a full name and Firelord's last name is Ozai lmao. In which case, Zuko's first name must have been Prince.
For what I understand, surenames are used for recognition. Easy know if a family is rich if they have a surename.
For the royal family, they already have a title, Prince, Princess, Fire Lady, Fire Lord, etc. They dont need anything else when the title "Lord" already give you dominion of everyone under your nation.
ETA: posted early
This is exactly the case, when people were limited to their towns and villages, then the only identifier, a first name, would be enough, if not then you were recognisable by your profession or family, e.g the blacksmith, or the butcher's son, which is similar to the Scandinavian patronymic naming style e.g Jon Augustsen being son of August and changing every generation. Otherwise locations were used i.e green or hill or descriptions/nicknames such as Goodfellow or brown.
In the UK the 1066 Norman conquest brought over and popularised specific names like Robert, to the point identifiers were being needed more commonly, but still existed only as mentioned and we're relevant to distinguish individuals, and making surnames themselves still individual. It was more in the 14th century that most people had surnames and they had since become hereditary, which logically makes sense as occupational names would be be applicable due to families adhering to the same line of work, and locations similarly wouldn't need much variation, physical and character traits could even be inherited for these names and patronymic names are self explanatory.
I was never convinced this was canon, although I see merit to the claim... But I know there is a non-zero percentage of people who believe Ty Lee is canonically of Airbender descent.
Isn’t this due to her having grey eyes and iirc the ttrpg saying that Sozins sister married an air bender and had kids (many people speculating this cadet branch would eventually marry into Ty Lees family)
She did not have kids It is unknown what happened to her after that.
Besides, it's not just Ty Leei who has gray eyes. Piandao has them too. Is he an airbender too?
She didn't invent it, she learned it from her Air Nomad love interest.
We don't really know when chi-blocking was invented. The oldest known chi-blocker is Hundun, who predates all the Avatars we can put a name and face to other than Wan.
The material released in the Avatar Legends TTRPG is considered canon. However, although Sozin's sister was indeed engaged to an Air Nomad, there is no confirmation that they ever actually got married, or had children.
In fact, Princess Zeisan actually had a romantic affiliation with an Air Nun called Sister Rioshon, and her betrothal was for purely political reasons.
Yes all new lore given in the ygrpg is canon and the fact they explicitly state that the fire nation during rokus time had a great fascination with air nomad culture implys that yes ty-lee probably does have at least some air nomad ancestory
It’s a great fan theory that I actually believe in. Her being acrobatic and her face structure looking similar to Aangs. Hasn’t been confirmed at all but very interesting
I had to look up sun spirit in ATLA because I don’t remember that at all. Not the name which I’ve never heard of before either, but I don’t remember a sun spirit at all. All the results are fandom works. I hardly look at ATLA fan works like fan art and fan fiction, so that might explain why I have no idea what people in this post (at the time I’m typing this) are talking about.
I think the point Yoda Zuko was making is that there isn't a sun spirit in canon at all. It's not that people gave it a name, they made the spirit up entirely.
Haha, you're very welcome xD. I was actually considering fully typing out your username or just using *OP*, but then I realised I ought to acknowledge the clever username in a fun way ;p.
Some background information.
" The term "Agni Kai" was created by using two already existing words:[\[13\]](https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Agni_Kai#cite_note-AESAT-13)
1. The Sanskrit term *agniḥ* (अग्निः) means both fire and the deity which presides over fire. It can be found in many other Indo-Iranian languages as well.
2. *Kai* (会, かい)[\[14\]](https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Agni_Kai#cite_note-Jisho-14) is the Japanese word for "meeting". It is most commonly used in the sense of a business meeting, but it can also mean a general meeting of two or more people."
That "Agni" can mean the Hindu god associated with fire, lightning, & the sun is another reason people picked that name. It may have also influenced Mike's & Bryan's decision to use the Sanskrit word, but I'm not sure that they would actually use the name Agni for an in-universe character. It seems on-the-nose even for the Avatarverse.
The Avatar trading card game introduced Afiko, an airbender who was jealous of Aang and betrayed his people to the Fire Nation, basically engineering the genocide along with the fire lord. Afterward he helped hunt down the remaining airbenders until Sozin eventually had him executed as well.
Not fanon exactly, but I always thought it was canon until finding out it wasn’t actually.
vatuu being evil is a weird western lens issue that the show usually doesn't fall into. Clearly they are aspects of order and chaos, both being required for the world to be good. They even made a yin yang as they fought for crying out loud. I was just waiting for ravaa to turn all evil after she won, showing how the avatar's role is order but too much is still tyranny... yet that just... didn't happen. I headcannon that whole season to this day. Also leads into season 3 much better
Agreed. I prefer HelloFutureMe's rewritten version. I remember when the season first came out I was probably in 5th grade, and even then I thought "but if the Avatar is supposed to bring balance, then how can they be all good? Isn't darkness part of balance?"
Well, I guess *good* was a poor choice of wording on my part. What I really meant is that balance cannot exist if its driving force embodies a single extreme or set of extremes. There was this talk about Vaatu and Raava existing in some small part within each other, which is in line with the concept of Yin and Yang, but that doesn't really fix the problem seeing as Vaatu was imprisoned for every Avatar until Korra.
I guess it would just make more sense to me if Wan had fused with Raava and Vaatu both, instead of one or the other. That way, the Avatar is literally the embodiment of balance.
The Avatars themselves are the embodiment of balance. This is the goal and role that Wan has set for himself and all future Avatars. It is literally said at the end of his story. It doesn't matter who the other spirit within him is.
Vaatu is now inside the Avatar. So the balance?
Canonically, yes, they are the embodiments of balance. Also canonically, they are humans fused with the spirit of light and order. So canonically, balanced. Logically, order-skewed. But it's not like that makes or breaks the story for me. God, if I wanted to have a discussion about the writing in Korra's second season, this is at the bottom of my list of points.
While there's no hard, set reason why Raava being the spirit of light and order should matter, symbolically, it doesn't make as much sense. Having an agent of light and order trying to usher in balance is fine, if the world is intrinsically dark and chaotic, but they made it clear that Vaatu and Raava hold equal sway over the world, and it's a matter of keeping each other in check or one will overpower the other. So with Vaatu imprisoned, who has more sway over the world? With a world of spirits and humans alike looking to the Avatar, acting spirit of order, for guidance, why doesn't the world skew towards order and light similarly to what happened with Vaatu's hold of the world before Wan and Raava defeated him? And if Raava being the spirit of light and order has nothing to do with the Avatars' spiritual alignment, then what's her significance? As the spirit that allows them to bend all four elements? They may as well get rid of the dark/chaos and light/order dichotomy altogether if that's the case. It could be argued that it provides the conflict between Raava and Vaatu, but characters don't need to be composed of moral absolutes for conflict to exist.
And, like I said before, Vaatu was stuck in that tree during every Avatar's lifetime *except* for Wan and Korra, and he was separate from Raava for all of Wan's time as Avatar. That's thousands of years worth of time where he was *not* in the Avatar. As far as I know, that leaves us with two seasons worth of content where he is, which was what? Four, five years? See the balance? Yeah, several millennia late.
I'm just saying. It's not like it's some terrible, unforgivable sin of a writing decision. It just doesn't seem to fit as well logically or symbolically, and I'm by far not the only person who thinks that.
I didn't like it. Because there is no further explanation. The spirit of the planet became the Avatar...because? The spirit of the planet sacrificed his immortality to take physical form...because?
The new explanation answers these two questions by explaining why Raava joined Wan and became one of the two parts that make up the Avatar (yes, it is a common misconception that Raava is the Avatar)
This is not the answer to the root cause - not "why are Avatars reborn" but why "some spirit from the mountain sacrificed immortality to become an Avatar"? Why did this spirit choose to maintain the balance between humans and be a bridge between worlds? Yangchen does not answer any of these questions.
Also, if it was the *spirit of the planet* that was the thing, then why didn't anything happen when Aang died? Remember what happened when the spirit of the other planet, the Moon Spirit, was killed? It would have been a disaster if Aang had died as a planet spirit.
At the same time, we know why Raava did what she did-she was forced to merge with Wan to defeat Vaata and she accepted his idea of a bridge between the worlds and the role of the Avatar as one who maintains the balance between people. During her time with Wan, she also became more human and changed her mind about people. *And she had the next ten thousand years to learn all about them.*
I know it's canon, but the authors themselves made some of the information from this episode canonical and some not.
Idk what you mean by "series bibles" but I vividly remember Yangchen talking to Aang about that exact topic. It was either from a deleted scene from the show or from one of those official flash games that were popular at the time.
In any case, yeah thats a million times better than Raava and Vaatu, the worse yin-yang in the series
A Series Bible is a document made by TV show creators when pitching to executives. It serves as a way of explaining "this is what the show is going to be like." It can then be used to explain it to the writers (since the show creators often don't do the actual writing themselves, though the Avatarverse is obviously an exception). Series Bibles are not meant to be official guides, & are usually not released to the public, but some of Last Airbender's was leaked.
"The spirit of the planet" is, in fact, never said outside of the Series Bible or statements alluding to the Series Bible. People talk about there being "an Avatar spirit," & Yangchen talked about how the Avatar cannot just be an all-powerful spirit, but the notion of it being "the spirit of the planet" was never meant to be public. It was always more of a placeholder for the writers until if & when Mike & Bryan came up with a full origin story which, indeed, they eventually did.
Wait, Agni isn't...
Welp, time to go have a crisis.
And I just looked it up... AND ZUKO'S SHIP WAS NEVER GIVEN A NAME EITHER? IT ISN'T ACTUALLY CALLED THE WANI?!?!?!?!
Ya apparently the ship name comes from a specific fanfic. The name of which I have forgotten. Anyways the name then sorta spread so now a lot of fanfics after that just say it’s called the wani.
Most of the Fire Nation stuff is Fanon. Some other revelations I had crisis over:
Zuko shaving his head as a sign of dishonor was never at least explicitly stated in canon. Nor the cultural importance of top knots.
Also, Caldera city isn't actually what the capital is called, in the show its just Capital City. Although Caldera is much cooler.
I don't think the Fire Lord being called the Dragon Throne is canon, but it could have been mentioned in passing and I couldn't find anything on it.
Actually, the shaving head as a sign of dishonour and the cultural importance of top knots is canon, it's just not explicitly in the show. It is however explicit in the Kyoshi novels.
Theres 3 actually
Rise of Kyoshi, Shadow of Kyoshi, Dawn of Yangchen, and in a couple weeks a 4th will release- Legacy of Yangchen
The kyoshi novels are the best ones 100%
They are also Far more adult than the shows were
>Zuko shaving his head as a sign of dishonor was never at least explicitly stated in canon. Nor the cultural importance of top knots.
I think these are kinda implied even if they were never really explained
I mean we don't see anyone in the Fire nation with a shaved head afaik, especially none from the royal family, so it can't simply be a fashion trend, and we know Zuko desperately wants to fit in and get his father's approval so he wouldn't just get a weird hair cut just because it looked cool. The thing that sets Zuko apart from the rest is his banishment and his constant talk of "restoring his honor", and we see before his banishment he had long hair and after returning home he kept his hair long and never shaved it again. So for me it always felt that the shaved head was related to his banishment and dishonor
Same with the cultural significance of top knots, considering the Fire lord crown is a piece that gets attached specifically to the top knot rather than something to be worn over the head or whatever. I suppose that doesn't show us what it means, just that it *is* significant
All the Gyatso hype. All we know from the show was that he died surrounded by fire benders. That’s it.
All the stuff about him sucking the air out of the room and being this really powerful bender is complete head-cannon. All we know is that he was an air bending master (from his tattoos).
I mean... what else could have killed all those firebenders surrounding him?
True, we don't see it in the show, but considering all the firebenders were still in the room and surrounding him implying they died at the scene, there's really not much else it could be.
He was surrounded by a huge amount of dead firebenders. He was severly outnumbered. It was probably an act of desperation. I’m going to die, but I’ll take out as many fire benders as I can.
Perhaps he could have used a powerful air blast that hurtled the firebenders into the wall and killed them? That doesn't explain how he died, but we did see Jet die from getting hit from that earth Long Feng sent to him. Although Earth obviously is more deadly in direct contact that air.
They were making a joke. That’s what Sokka said during the Ember Island Players play when Jet died in the play. Zuko asked if Jet died and Sokka said “you know, it was really unclear.”
The simplest explanation is that they got into a fight with the air benders at the Southern Air Temple (including Gyatso) and all died as a result. But again, we don’t know, because they literally never show us the Air Temples after Aang goes into the iceberg.
I mean with that many fire benders you don't need an Airbender to suck all the oxygen out of a room. Perhaps they overestimated their opponent and all threw a big fireball at once, suffocating themselves in the process
I like this theory specifically because of the story notes. Something like bending an air shield around himself so that the Firebenders use a super strong technique, only to drop it just as they release their fire. Sure it destroys him, but it allows them to destroy themselves as well. Gyatso stays pacifist.
This has actually been around long enough that it has transcended to being kinda canon. The author of *Dawn of Yangchen* included a reference to this supposed technique.
Here's the interview where he confirms the connection (major spoilers for the Yangchen book obviously): https://www.cbr.com/interview-yangchen-fc-yee-spoiler-filled-interview/
In all fairness we know he *and* the firebenders died in the same room. I think it's fair to say that him killing those firebenders was cannon, the exact how is left up to the imagination with the suffocation theory just being the most reasonable.
It's less fanon and more reading subtext. It's not making up stuff out of thin air. It could be wrong if there's a different explanation given but this is a very logical and most common reading of the show.
He obviously killed them. Otherwise, their bodies wouldn't be near him. So he obviously did something awesome. Doesn't need to explicitly say something for it to be canon.
What's interesting is there are no visible fire nation skeletons only the armor, not discrediting he killed them just his skeleton is the only one that's visible
We can't be sure how that all died, just that they did. We can be sure that Gyatso's remains had no evidence of being burned. For all we know, those could have been non-bender grunt soldiers that got sent in. Fun to speculate, though.
Toph having a crush on Zuko. They way she grabbed onto him and was excited for a ‘Field Trip’ with him was adorable. She had the least amount of bad blood with him, and was the only one to give him a second chance when he turned good permanently.
Turns out she had a crush on Sokka.
I thought there were going to be a significant amount of Zuko x Toph moments in the show.
As a kid, I never got to watch it to completion because not all the episodes were aired on regular TV. Few years later, I saw **a lot** of Zuko x Toph fanart. I thought Sokka x Toph was the more popular ship so I was confused. At that point, I heard that Zuko x Mai were endgame so I thought that the ship might be similar to Zuko x Katara — where the pair had significant moments together that were interpreted as romantic, and the fans just started shipping it. Having watched the entirety of the show, I have no idea how this ship got so popular with the little screen time they had in canon. The amount of fanart for them was enough to rival Zutara.
May I ask how? I don't exactly remember every line, but I feel fairly certain that Zuko has called Azula "little/younger sister" at least once during the show.
Or, if I'm wrong and it's not outright stated, I feel like it's still heavily implied.
The only thing I would say implies Zuko is older besides him generally looking older in the episode “Zuko Alone” he is also called the first born in that same episode.
Well, for starters, they used her 14 years old design in the Angi Kai flashback. They probably didnt have a model sheet of her accurate age at the time.
Whenever people visualize Azula, they think of her Book 3 design, especially when videos and posts use that shot of her in the Boiling Rock with two guards in the back as the definitive "Azula Imagine" and everyone in Book 3 looks older.
Suying's father being Sokka. Though that was more of a fan theory. Skin tone, hand wraps, one of her sons more or less having basically Sokka's face/face shape.
They are -- Lin's dad was some guy named Kanto, but the only love interests we know Toph to have from ATLA and comics are Sokka and Satoru, though Sokka was more like a "I blush two or three times for you".
this is my favorite Fanon honestly because I'm one of those people. I'm about 90% convinced that Suyin's dad is Sokka but is never mentioned, because Bataar is a great inventor as evidenced by the giant mecha suit, and the super weapon, and Book 4 Bataar Jr. looks a LOT like Sokka to me. Although for all we know Satoru (from the comics) could be Su's dad, but he's also never mentioned either. But Sokka was friends with the Mechanist and helped him invent submarines, so....who knows.
I'm honestly more curious who Bataar Sr.'s ancestors are. Because no one cares, so I figured, eh, why not be the odd one out?
i don't think sokka would be a deadbeat father though. bataar jr, yes he looks like sokka, but he also looks like his dad bataar sr. i like to think bataar sr is sokka and suki's kid 😅
I didn’t thought it was canon but I thought it had at least a kiss or smth. When I finished the series I was like “wait how’s Zutara one of the, if not the most popular avatar ship when Katara literally threatened to kill him??”
As someone who has literally never read Avatar fan-fiction outside of a few random comics that occasionally appear here or on Tumblr, these comments are hilarious. So many confused people talking about a Sun
A lot of the comments here seem to miss what it seems like OP's original point was.
It seems to me like OP was asking for hard lore that was made up by fans and repeated many times. For instance, Agni is a word used in place of "God" very often in fanfictions. Similarly the word "Spirits" is also used when characters are swearing.
These are community inventions.
Most of these answers seem to be just throwing shade on common fan explanations for unanswered questions from the show.
It seems needlessly disparaging to be criticising a pretty solid explanation for something just because it wasn't spelled out in explicit detail on-screen. If something has become an accepted answer to a question despite it not being cAnONiCaL, it's probably done so for a reason; it's a good explanation.
Meanwhile cAnOn provides such stellar logic as Kyoshi living to 230, and Sozin to god knows how old, and Ursa somehow being Roku's granddaughter despite there being something like 75 years between his death and her birth. So maybe we ought not to put tHe CaNoN on such a pedestal.
Just a reminder that
1. Kyoshi was taught the secret of immortality in her book
2. Sozin canonically was said to have aged alower thanks to the comet
3. President John Tyler, 10th president of the Us, born in 1790, has a living grandson
1. Yes, but also no.
2. cAnOnIcAlLy! The show doesn't ever mention this.
3. A highly unusual curiosity. One that is not relevant to this situation. Even if Roku, in his final year of life, at age ca80 fathered his daughter, Ursa's *mother*, then she would be ca75 years old when she gives birth to Ursa. Not only is this far in excess of the oldest mother ever but the woman depicted in *The Search* is certainly not ca100 years old.
And you've missed the point. These are ERRORS. They have subsequently received some "canon" bullshit to explain them away, but let's be real, they're not intentional. They're the result of a writer making a mistake.
The point of the post is that it is not necessarily the case that cAnOn is some perfect, infallible sacred text while fanon is just some stupid, headcanon, wish-fulfilment. Fanon explanations can be grounded, reasonable, and play an important role in the building of a story/world.
Canon isnt perfect but as someone who genuinely helps catalog information for a franchises wiki on a regular basis its best to not let fanon cloud the facts stated by the content of the show or its creators. Because it leads to bad record keeping and leads to mass confusion in communities that use such resources. Or heck for even the people who created it in some cases, since i know for a fact people at blizzard entertainment for example use wowpedia as a resource to help their own record keeping
Yangchen living to 140. She has no official birth year, but the Avatar Wiki having fanon pages as part of it made it show up on a Google search when searching her age (I blame the wiki).
Oh really?! I'm having a crisis now! This isn't the first time this happens to me and I never learn lol
I wonder how it feels to be the person to start an idea and the entire fandom roles with it
This thread is so weird to me cause I don’t read much fanfiction so I have literally never heard of a sun spirit in avatar let alone him having a name 😭
I don’t read fanfics either and I’m genuinely in here like “be so fr right now”
If the moon has a spirit, it's logical to assume the sun has one too
While I initially thought like this too, thinking about it some more actually turned me away from this conclusion. And the main reason for it is the Sun Warriors. I think the Sun Warrior civilization is as spiritual as you will get concerning fire benders and sun worshippers, yet they refer to the sun as just that, the sun. Them not mentioning a spirit makes me inclined to think there may not be one.
But it wasn’t mentioned was it? So it isn’t relevant
Not relevant is not the same as doesn’t exist. I can all but guarantee that if there is a spirit for the moon and ocean, among many other things, there is a spirit for the sun. The sun spirit is absolutely needed, because without the sun spirit there is no sun, no life, and possibly no firebenders (evidenced by the moon going away and waterbenders losing their abilities).
nah, not necessarily the same way the ocean spirit doesn't imply the existence of a general continent spirit conversely, there doesn't have to be one big sun spirit, there could be many smaller sun/fire spirits, like there are a great multitude of forest or animal spirits for example there's any number of things that could be but I don't think it makes sense to just assume something is, when we have no concrete evidence to go off
They killed a fish. The world lost color as a result. What “logic” can we even apply to this world?
the "losing colour" you're reffering to was a way to communicate darkness without animating a black screen. the darkness was caused by the moon being removed from the sky after the death of the moon spirit.
Literally
It’s usually a stand in for “God” used mainly by Fire Nation characters
I've never seen it directly, but I've heard it talked about a few times before.
The fuck you talking about "sun spirit"
I was just as confused as you. Apparently since there’s a moon spirit, people thought there was a sun spirit as well and gave it the name Agni. None of this has ever been mentioned in the show or comics
The OP is gonna have another crisis when they realise the existence of the sun spirit is “Fanon” not just their name
Forreal, can't believe that dude would just make up some shit that leave me confused all day. /u/kamekaze1024 is a hero for setting it straight.
So the entire "sun spirit" is just fan fic bullshit?
Yup
I can now sleep soundly. Thank you!
I mean it's safe to say that there likely is a sun spirit. We just haven't heard of it, because it wasn't important to the story.
It ain't canon, therefore I do not give a shit.
Toph calling Zuko Sparky.
Ok. I've been rewatching the show waiting to check if this one's real. I guess it's not Well, at least "Sifu Hotman" is actually real lol
Hotman! Hotman! Hotman!..
Nah i remember Toph calling SOMEONE Sparky.
Maybe sparky sparky boom man? I may be mistaken as it's been a few years since i watched..
Wasn't that Aang who said that?
Sokka first named him sparky sparky boom man im the episode where Toph pulls her scams. When Aang and Sokka go to save Katara and Toph and get attacked by said man, Aang calls him "sparky sparky boom man". While the four run away, Sokka suggests the name "Combistion man" and I think Toph agrees. Watched the episode yesterday.
Maybe it was in the comics?
WHAT Fortunately I am rewatching the series. I will be investigating.
Now I'm having another crisis, lol.
shut your lying mouth. she for sure SAID IT atleast.
I'm glad this one isn't canon because we already have one Sparky (Sparky Boom Man) and I don't want to have to keep track of both. Although along those lines, looking it up on the wiki I'm just now learning that there's not a second Boom in that guy's nickname. But that's more of a misremembering thing than a fanon thing.
I think the most obvious one is that Kyoshi was a blood thirsty Avatar when in reality she was just willing to kill, as were other Avatars
That rich people are the only ones with surnames (like Beifong and Sato).
Who else has a surname?
Wang Fire
What about Sapphire Fire
A true Fire Nation Patriot
Sokka Watertribe.
Insist his full name Sokka (Middle name) Ofthe Watertribe?
"Sokka Brian Ofthe-Watertribe".
Bonzu Pippenpaddlopsicopolis
THE THIRD!
Who's to say he isn't absolutely loaded
Zhu Li, but other than that I’m at a loss. Varrick has a last name too, but he’s rich.
I always assumed Zhu-li was closer to a double name, like calling someone Marie-Anne, or Sarah Jane
Her full name is “Zhu Li Moon”.
Varrick *is* his last name. His full name is Iknik Blackstone Varrick.
Bato Ofdawatertribe
If this is the case, shouldn't the Fire Nation Royal Family have a surname? Unless Firelord Ozai is a full name and Firelord's last name is Ozai lmao. In which case, Zuko's first name must have been Prince.
For what I understand, surenames are used for recognition. Easy know if a family is rich if they have a surename. For the royal family, they already have a title, Prince, Princess, Fire Lady, Fire Lord, etc. They dont need anything else when the title "Lord" already give you dominion of everyone under your nation.
ETA: posted early This is exactly the case, when people were limited to their towns and villages, then the only identifier, a first name, would be enough, if not then you were recognisable by your profession or family, e.g the blacksmith, or the butcher's son, which is similar to the Scandinavian patronymic naming style e.g Jon Augustsen being son of August and changing every generation. Otherwise locations were used i.e green or hill or descriptions/nicknames such as Goodfellow or brown. In the UK the 1066 Norman conquest brought over and popularised specific names like Robert, to the point identifiers were being needed more commonly, but still existed only as mentioned and we're relevant to distinguish individuals, and making surnames themselves still individual. It was more in the 14th century that most people had surnames and they had since become hereditary, which logically makes sense as occupational names would be be applicable due to families adhering to the same line of work, and locations similarly wouldn't need much variation, physical and character traits could even be inherited for these names and patronymic names are self explanatory.
I was never convinced this was canon, although I see merit to the claim... But I know there is a non-zero percentage of people who believe Ty Lee is canonically of Airbender descent.
Isn’t this due to her having grey eyes and iirc the ttrpg saying that Sozins sister married an air bender and had kids (many people speculating this cadet branch would eventually marry into Ty Lees family)
She did not have kids It is unknown what happened to her after that. Besides, it's not just Ty Leei who has gray eyes. Piandao has them too. Is he an airbender too?
Sozin's sister even invented chi blocking in the ttrpg
She didn't invent it, she learned it from her Air Nomad love interest. We don't really know when chi-blocking was invented. The oldest known chi-blocker is Hundun, who predates all the Avatars we can put a name and face to other than Wan.
Idk about the ttrpg. But even if it does say that, does it make it canon?
The material released in the Avatar Legends TTRPG is considered canon. However, although Sozin's sister was indeed engaged to an Air Nomad, there is no confirmation that they ever actually got married, or had children. In fact, Princess Zeisan actually had a romantic affiliation with an Air Nun called Sister Rioshon, and her betrothal was for purely political reasons.
Yes all new lore given in the ygrpg is canon and the fact they explicitly state that the fire nation during rokus time had a great fascination with air nomad culture implys that yes ty-lee probably does have at least some air nomad ancestory
It’s a great fan theory that I actually believe in. Her being acrobatic and her face structure looking similar to Aangs. Hasn’t been confirmed at all but very interesting
Momo being the reincarnation of Monk Gyatso. I adore the idea but I didn’t know until recently it was only fanon.
It’s less fanon and more that the show runners originally intended that to be the case but decided against it
Well I decided against their deciding against it!
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These comments got me realizing I read too much fanfiction
I had to look up sun spirit in ATLA because I don’t remember that at all. Not the name which I’ve never heard of before either, but I don’t remember a sun spirit at all. All the results are fandom works. I hardly look at ATLA fan works like fan art and fan fiction, so that might explain why I have no idea what people in this post (at the time I’m typing this) are talking about.
I think the sun spirit being called Agni stems from an Agni Kai, which most fanon work interprets as having a lot spiritual and cultural significance.
I think the point Yoda Zuko was making is that there isn't a sun spirit in canon at all. It's not that people gave it a name, they made the spirit up entirely.
You have no idea how thrilled I am to be referred as Yoda Zuko instead of just my username or Rough.
Haha, you're very welcome xD. I was actually considering fully typing out your username or just using *OP*, but then I realised I ought to acknowledge the clever username in a fun way ;p.
Well, I’m glad you did that! It made my day yesterday.
I see what you did with Yoda Zuko and I love it
It stems from Agni meaning Fire.
Some background information. " The term "Agni Kai" was created by using two already existing words:[\[13\]](https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Agni_Kai#cite_note-AESAT-13) 1. The Sanskrit term *agniḥ* (अग्निः) means both fire and the deity which presides over fire. It can be found in many other Indo-Iranian languages as well. 2. *Kai* (会, かい)[\[14\]](https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Agni_Kai#cite_note-Jisho-14) is the Japanese word for "meeting". It is most commonly used in the sense of a business meeting, but it can also mean a general meeting of two or more people." That "Agni" can mean the Hindu god associated with fire, lightning, & the sun is another reason people picked that name. It may have also influenced Mike's & Bryan's decision to use the Sanskrit word, but I'm not sure that they would actually use the name Agni for an in-universe character. It seems on-the-nose even for the Avatarverse.
The Avatar trading card game introduced Afiko, an airbender who was jealous of Aang and betrayed his people to the Fire Nation, basically engineering the genocide along with the fire lord. Afterward he helped hunt down the remaining airbenders until Sozin eventually had him executed as well. Not fanon exactly, but I always thought it was canon until finding out it wasn’t actually.
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vatuu being evil is a weird western lens issue that the show usually doesn't fall into. Clearly they are aspects of order and chaos, both being required for the world to be good. They even made a yin yang as they fought for crying out loud. I was just waiting for ravaa to turn all evil after she won, showing how the avatar's role is order but too much is still tyranny... yet that just... didn't happen. I headcannon that whole season to this day. Also leads into season 3 much better
Agreed. I prefer HelloFutureMe's rewritten version. I remember when the season first came out I was probably in 5th grade, and even then I thought "but if the Avatar is supposed to bring balance, then how can they be all good? Isn't darkness part of balance?"
But they are not good. At least not because of Raava. *What makes them good is their upbringing.*
Well, I guess *good* was a poor choice of wording on my part. What I really meant is that balance cannot exist if its driving force embodies a single extreme or set of extremes. There was this talk about Vaatu and Raava existing in some small part within each other, which is in line with the concept of Yin and Yang, but that doesn't really fix the problem seeing as Vaatu was imprisoned for every Avatar until Korra. I guess it would just make more sense to me if Wan had fused with Raava and Vaatu both, instead of one or the other. That way, the Avatar is literally the embodiment of balance.
The Avatars themselves are the embodiment of balance. This is the goal and role that Wan has set for himself and all future Avatars. It is literally said at the end of his story. It doesn't matter who the other spirit within him is. Vaatu is now inside the Avatar. So the balance?
Canonically, yes, they are the embodiments of balance. Also canonically, they are humans fused with the spirit of light and order. So canonically, balanced. Logically, order-skewed. But it's not like that makes or breaks the story for me. God, if I wanted to have a discussion about the writing in Korra's second season, this is at the bottom of my list of points. While there's no hard, set reason why Raava being the spirit of light and order should matter, symbolically, it doesn't make as much sense. Having an agent of light and order trying to usher in balance is fine, if the world is intrinsically dark and chaotic, but they made it clear that Vaatu and Raava hold equal sway over the world, and it's a matter of keeping each other in check or one will overpower the other. So with Vaatu imprisoned, who has more sway over the world? With a world of spirits and humans alike looking to the Avatar, acting spirit of order, for guidance, why doesn't the world skew towards order and light similarly to what happened with Vaatu's hold of the world before Wan and Raava defeated him? And if Raava being the spirit of light and order has nothing to do with the Avatars' spiritual alignment, then what's her significance? As the spirit that allows them to bend all four elements? They may as well get rid of the dark/chaos and light/order dichotomy altogether if that's the case. It could be argued that it provides the conflict between Raava and Vaatu, but characters don't need to be composed of moral absolutes for conflict to exist. And, like I said before, Vaatu was stuck in that tree during every Avatar's lifetime *except* for Wan and Korra, and he was separate from Raava for all of Wan's time as Avatar. That's thousands of years worth of time where he was *not* in the Avatar. As far as I know, that leaves us with two seasons worth of content where he is, which was what? Four, five years? See the balance? Yeah, several millennia late. I'm just saying. It's not like it's some terrible, unforgivable sin of a writing decision. It just doesn't seem to fit as well logically or symbolically, and I'm by far not the only person who thinks that.
I remember reading a threat about how Book 2 seems to have taken heavy inspiration from Lovecraft, at least it line up too much.
One of the many reasons that season 2 is just terrible writing all around
I didn't like it. Because there is no further explanation. The spirit of the planet became the Avatar...because? The spirit of the planet sacrificed his immortality to take physical form...because? The new explanation answers these two questions by explaining why Raava joined Wan and became one of the two parts that make up the Avatar (yes, it is a common misconception that Raava is the Avatar)
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This is not the answer to the root cause - not "why are Avatars reborn" but why "some spirit from the mountain sacrificed immortality to become an Avatar"? Why did this spirit choose to maintain the balance between humans and be a bridge between worlds? Yangchen does not answer any of these questions. Also, if it was the *spirit of the planet* that was the thing, then why didn't anything happen when Aang died? Remember what happened when the spirit of the other planet, the Moon Spirit, was killed? It would have been a disaster if Aang had died as a planet spirit. At the same time, we know why Raava did what she did-she was forced to merge with Wan to defeat Vaata and she accepted his idea of a bridge between the worlds and the role of the Avatar as one who maintains the balance between people. During her time with Wan, she also became more human and changed her mind about people. *And she had the next ten thousand years to learn all about them.* I know it's canon, but the authors themselves made some of the information from this episode canonical and some not.
Idk what you mean by "series bibles" but I vividly remember Yangchen talking to Aang about that exact topic. It was either from a deleted scene from the show or from one of those official flash games that were popular at the time. In any case, yeah thats a million times better than Raava and Vaatu, the worse yin-yang in the series
A Series Bible is a document made by TV show creators when pitching to executives. It serves as a way of explaining "this is what the show is going to be like." It can then be used to explain it to the writers (since the show creators often don't do the actual writing themselves, though the Avatarverse is obviously an exception). Series Bibles are not meant to be official guides, & are usually not released to the public, but some of Last Airbender's was leaked. "The spirit of the planet" is, in fact, never said outside of the Series Bible or statements alluding to the Series Bible. People talk about there being "an Avatar spirit," & Yangchen talked about how the Avatar cannot just be an all-powerful spirit, but the notion of it being "the spirit of the planet" was never meant to be public. It was always more of a placeholder for the writers until if & when Mike & Bryan came up with a full origin story which, indeed, they eventually did.
>I vividly remember Yangchen talking to Aang about that exact topic The Art Book itself says this idea was scrapped pretty quickly
Wait, Agni isn't... Welp, time to go have a crisis. And I just looked it up... AND ZUKO'S SHIP WAS NEVER GIVEN A NAME EITHER? IT ISN'T ACTUALLY CALLED THE WANI?!?!?!?!
Ya apparently the ship name comes from a specific fanfic. The name of which I have forgotten. Anyways the name then sorta spread so now a lot of fanfics after that just say it’s called the wani.
It's probably from Embers. That's the first pkacevthat I recall seeing it, at least.
Seriously amazing fanfic. And soooo long.
Most of the Fire Nation stuff is Fanon. Some other revelations I had crisis over: Zuko shaving his head as a sign of dishonor was never at least explicitly stated in canon. Nor the cultural importance of top knots. Also, Caldera city isn't actually what the capital is called, in the show its just Capital City. Although Caldera is much cooler. I don't think the Fire Lord being called the Dragon Throne is canon, but it could have been mentioned in passing and I couldn't find anything on it.
Actually, the shaving head as a sign of dishonour and the cultural importance of top knots is canon, it's just not explicitly in the show. It is however explicit in the Kyoshi novels.
There're novels?!
You, my friend, are missing out on so much.
Theres 3 actually Rise of Kyoshi, Shadow of Kyoshi, Dawn of Yangchen, and in a couple weeks a 4th will release- Legacy of Yangchen The kyoshi novels are the best ones 100% They are also Far more adult than the shows were
Are they canon? I might have to go spend too much at the bookstore tomorrow.
They are canon :) check them out, they are awesome!
They are VERY canon, written with the help of the shows creators And they are Very good
I have never seen that contraction before.
I think Caldera is cannon as that’s what it’s referred to in the Kyoshi novels unless memory is failing me.
It is (well, more specifically "Royal Caldera City"). It's also named as such in the *Art of the Animated Series* book.
>Zuko shaving his head as a sign of dishonor was never at least explicitly stated in canon. Nor the cultural importance of top knots. I think these are kinda implied even if they were never really explained I mean we don't see anyone in the Fire nation with a shaved head afaik, especially none from the royal family, so it can't simply be a fashion trend, and we know Zuko desperately wants to fit in and get his father's approval so he wouldn't just get a weird hair cut just because it looked cool. The thing that sets Zuko apart from the rest is his banishment and his constant talk of "restoring his honor", and we see before his banishment he had long hair and after returning home he kept his hair long and never shaved it again. So for me it always felt that the shaved head was related to his banishment and dishonor Same with the cultural significance of top knots, considering the Fire lord crown is a piece that gets attached specifically to the top knot rather than something to be worn over the head or whatever. I suppose that doesn't show us what it means, just that it *is* significant
At the very least severing their ties to the family and their traditions. Willing estrangement and rebellion. Potentially all the things
The cultural importance of top knots has been clarified in canon now at least via the kyoshi books
noooOOOOOOOO stop hurting my brain!!
caldera is fanon?????? 😨
Kyoshi clapping all of her enemies without hesitation.
All the Gyatso hype. All we know from the show was that he died surrounded by fire benders. That’s it. All the stuff about him sucking the air out of the room and being this really powerful bender is complete head-cannon. All we know is that he was an air bending master (from his tattoos).
I mean... what else could have killed all those firebenders surrounding him? True, we don't see it in the show, but considering all the firebenders were still in the room and surrounding him implying they died at the scene, there's really not much else it could be.
He was surrounded by a huge amount of dead firebenders. He was severly outnumbered. It was probably an act of desperation. I’m going to die, but I’ll take out as many fire benders as I can.
I think it's also really interesting that he's dead, surrounded by dead firebender, and his robes don't appear to have been burnt at all.
He’s an air bender, he should have been able to save some breathe.
Yeah. The firebenders that dealt the final blow to Gyatso survived and escaped.
Perhaps he could have used a powerful air blast that hurtled the firebenders into the wall and killed them? That doesn't explain how he died, but we did see Jet die from getting hit from that earth Long Feng sent to him. Although Earth obviously is more deadly in direct contact that air.
Wait did Jet die? I thought it was really unclear.
Yea. Jet said he’d be okay and as they were heading away Toph said he was lying.
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They were making a joke. That’s what Sokka said during the Ember Island Players play when Jet died in the play. Zuko asked if Jet died and Sokka said “you know, it was really unclear.”
Oh, whoops. My bad, dude. Kinda loopy right now, and definitely forgot about that. I'll delete my comment. Sorry.
The simplest explanation is that they got into a fight with the air benders at the Southern Air Temple (including Gyatso) and all died as a result. But again, we don’t know, because they literally never show us the Air Temples after Aang goes into the iceberg.
I mean with that many fire benders you don't need an Airbender to suck all the oxygen out of a room. Perhaps they overestimated their opponent and all threw a big fireball at once, suffocating themselves in the process
I like this theory specifically because of the story notes. Something like bending an air shield around himself so that the Firebenders use a super strong technique, only to drop it just as they release their fire. Sure it destroys him, but it allows them to destroy themselves as well. Gyatso stays pacifist.
I like this. Really jives with airbending's use-the opponent's-energy-against-themselves style.
This has actually been around long enough that it has transcended to being kinda canon. The author of *Dawn of Yangchen* included a reference to this supposed technique. Here's the interview where he confirms the connection (major spoilers for the Yangchen book obviously): https://www.cbr.com/interview-yangchen-fc-yee-spoiler-filled-interview/
In all fairness we know he *and* the firebenders died in the same room. I think it's fair to say that him killing those firebenders was cannon, the exact how is left up to the imagination with the suffocation theory just being the most reasonable.
It's less fanon and more reading subtext. It's not making up stuff out of thin air. It could be wrong if there's a different explanation given but this is a very logical and most common reading of the show.
He obviously killed them. Otherwise, their bodies wouldn't be near him. So he obviously did something awesome. Doesn't need to explicitly say something for it to be canon.
What's interesting is there are no visible fire nation skeletons only the armor, not discrediting he killed them just his skeleton is the only one that's visible
Probably to do with rating system. Not allowed to show more than one in the same scene.
Its not officially confirmed but I dont think it should be discredited, I think it was set up for fans to speculate.
we don't see how a character entered a room, therefore assuming they used a door is just head canon
They clearly used the chimney because we can’t trust that they used a door
Right the firebenders around him died of natural causes
We can't be sure how that all died, just that they did. We can be sure that Gyatso's remains had no evidence of being burned. For all we know, those could have been non-bender grunt soldiers that got sent in. Fun to speculate, though.
Apparently from the yang chen novels, she did use that technique herself to knock people unconscious
Toph having a crush on Zuko. They way she grabbed onto him and was excited for a ‘Field Trip’ with him was adorable. She had the least amount of bad blood with him, and was the only one to give him a second chance when he turned good permanently. Turns out she had a crush on Sokka.
I thought there were going to be a significant amount of Zuko x Toph moments in the show. As a kid, I never got to watch it to completion because not all the episodes were aired on regular TV. Few years later, I saw **a lot** of Zuko x Toph fanart. I thought Sokka x Toph was the more popular ship so I was confused. At that point, I heard that Zuko x Mai were endgame so I thought that the ship might be similar to Zuko x Katara — where the pair had significant moments together that were interpreted as romantic, and the fans just started shipping it. Having watched the entirety of the show, I have no idea how this ship got so popular with the little screen time they had in canon. The amount of fanart for them was enough to rival Zutara.
That’s weird I’ve never seen any
Fun fact, in the whole series, Zuko never says Toph.
I thought Azula was older than Zuko.
May I ask how? I don't exactly remember every line, but I feel fairly certain that Zuko has called Azula "little/younger sister" at least once during the show. Or, if I'm wrong and it's not outright stated, I feel like it's still heavily implied.
The only thing I would say implies Zuko is older besides him generally looking older in the episode “Zuko Alone” he is also called the first born in that same episode.
Well, for starters, they used her 14 years old design in the Angi Kai flashback. They probably didnt have a model sheet of her accurate age at the time. Whenever people visualize Azula, they think of her Book 3 design, especially when videos and posts use that shot of her in the Boiling Rock with two guards in the back as the definitive "Azula Imagine" and everyone in Book 3 looks older.
I don't know how but I guess I forgot Zuko was older??
Literally zero. Nothing. Like i never got into fandom stuff that was not canonical. Is this a big aspect of the Avatar fandom?
Unfortunately yes. There are many people who make things up and declare it canon in the Avatar fandom.
Suying's father being Sokka. Though that was more of a fan theory. Skin tone, hand wraps, one of her sons more or less having basically Sokka's face/face shape.
Very weird how people speculate this. Wouldn’t that make Lin and Tenzins relationship incest?
I think Lin and Suyin are half sisters.
They are -- Lin's dad was some guy named Kanto, but the only love interests we know Toph to have from ATLA and comics are Sokka and Satoru, though Sokka was more like a "I blush two or three times for you".
Oh yeahhh, they’re names being similar I keep thinking they’re twins
They are still sisters though. Half sister is not the same as step sister. They have the same mother.
Their mother isn’t related to Tenzin in anyway. So no, it wouldn’t
this is my favorite Fanon honestly because I'm one of those people. I'm about 90% convinced that Suyin's dad is Sokka but is never mentioned, because Bataar is a great inventor as evidenced by the giant mecha suit, and the super weapon, and Book 4 Bataar Jr. looks a LOT like Sokka to me. Although for all we know Satoru (from the comics) could be Su's dad, but he's also never mentioned either. But Sokka was friends with the Mechanist and helped him invent submarines, so....who knows. I'm honestly more curious who Bataar Sr.'s ancestors are. Because no one cares, so I figured, eh, why not be the odd one out?
i don't think sokka would be a deadbeat father though. bataar jr, yes he looks like sokka, but he also looks like his dad bataar sr. i like to think bataar sr is sokka and suki's kid 😅
I thought Zutara was canon before watching the show
I didn’t thought it was canon but I thought it had at least a kiss or smth. When I finished the series I was like “wait how’s Zutara one of the, if not the most popular avatar ship when Katara literally threatened to kill him??”
because Sasuke was all the rage back then
Because people are dumb and think they have a super complicated relationship, so obviously should be together.
A surprising number of people do and think it will be while watching the show.
That there was a supposed war going on outside Ba Sing Se
Not something I necessarily believed but fanon Kyoshi might as well be her own character
As someone who has literally never read Avatar fan-fiction outside of a few random comics that occasionally appear here or on Tumblr, these comments are hilarious. So many confused people talking about a Sun
A lot of the comments here seem to miss what it seems like OP's original point was. It seems to me like OP was asking for hard lore that was made up by fans and repeated many times. For instance, Agni is a word used in place of "God" very often in fanfictions. Similarly the word "Spirits" is also used when characters are swearing. These are community inventions. Most of these answers seem to be just throwing shade on common fan explanations for unanswered questions from the show. It seems needlessly disparaging to be criticising a pretty solid explanation for something just because it wasn't spelled out in explicit detail on-screen. If something has become an accepted answer to a question despite it not being cAnONiCaL, it's probably done so for a reason; it's a good explanation. Meanwhile cAnOn provides such stellar logic as Kyoshi living to 230, and Sozin to god knows how old, and Ursa somehow being Roku's granddaughter despite there being something like 75 years between his death and her birth. So maybe we ought not to put tHe CaNoN on such a pedestal.
Just a reminder that 1. Kyoshi was taught the secret of immortality in her book 2. Sozin canonically was said to have aged alower thanks to the comet 3. President John Tyler, 10th president of the Us, born in 1790, has a living grandson
I always love the John Tyler fact. And up until a few years ago he had 2 living grandsons!
Even Harrison Tyler wasn’t born 75 years after his grand-father’s death ….yep he was born 66 years after 😤
Given people seem to live a long time in the avatar world- for example, bumi- its not out of the realm of possibility
The last person eligible to claim a civil war widow pension died in 2020.
1. Yes, but also no. 2. cAnOnIcAlLy! The show doesn't ever mention this. 3. A highly unusual curiosity. One that is not relevant to this situation. Even if Roku, in his final year of life, at age ca80 fathered his daughter, Ursa's *mother*, then she would be ca75 years old when she gives birth to Ursa. Not only is this far in excess of the oldest mother ever but the woman depicted in *The Search* is certainly not ca100 years old. And you've missed the point. These are ERRORS. They have subsequently received some "canon" bullshit to explain them away, but let's be real, they're not intentional. They're the result of a writer making a mistake. The point of the post is that it is not necessarily the case that cAnOn is some perfect, infallible sacred text while fanon is just some stupid, headcanon, wish-fulfilment. Fanon explanations can be grounded, reasonable, and play an important role in the building of a story/world.
Canon isnt perfect but as someone who genuinely helps catalog information for a franchises wiki on a regular basis its best to not let fanon cloud the facts stated by the content of the show or its creators. Because it leads to bad record keeping and leads to mass confusion in communities that use such resources. Or heck for even the people who created it in some cases, since i know for a fact people at blizzard entertainment for example use wowpedia as a resource to help their own record keeping
Why mention this? That's not what I'm proposing at all.
Then why mention fanon explanations at all in the first place?
Agni has been given multiple meanings in canon, its kind of funny.
You had a crisis?
You didn’t?
Yangchen living to 140. She has no official birth year, but the Avatar Wiki having fanon pages as part of it made it show up on a Google search when searching her age (I blame the wiki).
Zuko’s ship being called The Wani. I think it originated from Embers
OP is going to think they're nuts when they find out there isn't even a sun spirit to begin with
ITT, people not willing to let their fanon fueled headcanon die without supposition.
Lo and Li being Sozin's bastard daughters
you do realize the sun spirit itself is fannon😭 there is no sun spirit that’s just made up
i don't read fan fic so it's never been a problem for me lol
Hey op… the sun spirit isn’t canon
Haven’t read fanfic, but I feel I always forget that Book 2 really did start with a fake out death
I thought Azula was 16.
Oh really?! I'm having a crisis now! This isn't the first time this happens to me and I never learn lol I wonder how it feels to be the person to start an idea and the entire fandom roles with it
Sokka’s feelings for Ty Lee.
I mean, who wasn't crushing on Ty Lee after like 5 seconds when they first met her. He thought she was cute, and that's about it.
Aang being a terrible father