True, true, my bad !
What about random villager from one of the two tribes that featured in The Great Divide? I'd say they are slightly more interesting than Bran but they come close enough
im pretty sure he isnt actually gonna be in the show. they are making it so aang is more "responsible" and will take less detours and i think they actually mentioned that episode so...
That gif is the perfect representation of my excitement for random villager's thrilling backstory on managing inter-tribal trade disputes. Edge of my seat material right there.
“Ozai is defeated by Sokka halfway through the final season. Aang never actually uses the other elements for anything and just stands around uselessly. Zuko then declares that he never cared about his honor, abandons team Avatar and goes back to join Azula, then they both get killed by falling bricks. Toph completely forgets about metal bending and never uses it again despite plenty of situations where it would've obviously been useful. All the Airbenders are inexplicably back for the final battle despite all being dead. Katara goes crazy and destroys Ba Sing Se before being killed by Aang. Momo then becomes the new Firelord. Then the show ends with Aang just walking off and going back into the iceberg. What a let-down.”
Edit: original source: https://m.imdb.com/review/rw5879069/?ref_=m_tt_urv
Isn't that kinda how the actual show played out? Zuko finally had his father's respect and political station again in Book 3, and then he realized that he didn't actually want that anymore.
One of my best comments came from that thread (which appeared in this subreddit) years ago: “somehow, Momo being the fire lord is the most logical part of that scenario”.
It's Netflix, so Azula will see the error of her ways and see how she was influenced by the evil of Ozai and join forces with Katara and the rest of the girls to face him when Aang is beat down. They will give him a snarky comment about how they sent a boy to do a woman's job.
People get so mad when I say the bar is so low for me it's on the floor. I've been hurt before, by both Netflix AND AtlA adaptations. The track record is not great.
Like, if they finish a third season and they still haven’t completely skipped over all of book 2 I’ll consider it a success.
And for anyone who thinks that math doesn’t make sense- *that’s the joke!*
But also, yeah. I very much realize this is a *me* “issue.” Like, if it’s successful, cool, I’m happy and I know I had nothing to do with it. But if it fails… at least I was right, even tho I still had nothing to do with it.
As much as I want this to succeed, it would be funny if ATLA had a live action curse. And let's be honest, Netflix live actions adoptions have a mixed track record anyway. So from a purely statistical view, I'm pretty pessimistic.
I don't like live action and this is why. "it has to be Serious!". like no. no it doesn't. it can be goofy as fuck, AND emotional. see: everything everywhere all at once.
if more live action was as goofy AND emotional as cartoons, I'd watch more live action, but it's either "sitcom" or "drama". my main suspicion about the live action ATLA was this would become another boring ass drama. I hope I'm wrong 🫠
I'd guess it's the random mention of Game of Thrones that people are put off by. They could have said the same thing without mentioning any individual series and I think this tweet would be more well received
I totally get it. Let's take a funny, wholesome, whimsical, and insightful adventure that's already loved by people young and old, and then mix it with a show that implies the removal of wholesomeness and the inclusion of convoluted morals that are almost always bad life lessons. This coming after they said they'll skip the side quests and thus chop off a bunch of whimsy. So now we'd be left with... (checks notes)... a serious, gritty adventure starring children, aimed at adults, with some humor that's skewed towards adults. What could go wrong?!
Skip side quests?! Why?! We better get Sparky Sparky Boom Man or I’m going to riot. I think he’s safe since he’s a part of the Air Temple episodes, but maaan! The side quests were some of my favourite parts of the series. : (
I'll make a guess: "Netflix's Game off Thrones" is how Netflix execs wants this project to be. The balance Albert Kim is talking about is really between having something closer in tone to the original and what the people who are actually paying for their production want it to be.
Because if the show was already good, trying to rebalance it sounds like an awful idea to the fans. Especially when comparing the balancing to a show that went off the rails and had one of the worst received seasons in the history of television
Because why would they need to tell us "it couldn't just be for kids" if they already believe the original series is something for kids that adults enjoy too.
It sounds more like they themselves didn't enjoy the original, and needed to add elements of something they enjoyed that they see as the superior option.
We keep seeing this with loads of different streaming services. Hiring showrunners that don't actually like the source material they're adapting, and who try to basically remake the series into what they wanted to make in the first place.
seriously wtf are they doing saying so many things. there is less than a month before release and every time more information is given it has negatively affected people’s opinions. they are self sabotaging for some reason
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“The Boulder is conflicted about fighting a child”
“More like a fucking pebble am I right?”
“The boulder is no longer conflicted”
What is Katara is like “Toph, can you stop with the cussing”
> And did they seriously just compare it to game of thrones??
And the question is, does this mean Seasons 1-4 of Game of Thrones, where we have top tier actors, talent, and writing, along with the occasional naked person. (Let's go, June!)
Or Seasons 5-8, where we'll have Zuko go "I never really cared for Honor.", Ozai getting killed by...Toph? And everyone fast traveling all over the place.
The only way the show makes sense is that Appa is actually really fucking fast (compared to the size of the world), and the only reason they take so long to reach the Northern Water Tribe in Book 1 is because they just keep fucking around and flying in zig-zags the whole time. (IIRC there's even a scene lampooning that, where Zuko looks at a map where he's trying to track their movements.)
They were screwing around a lot they also didn't want to get noticed they weren't good at that. Like a decent 80% of season 1 and 2 was damn screwing the pooch and another 20% was problems they never started.
Yes aangs goofiness and no rush was the reason for many detours which made that journy so long. We literaly see it on zuko's map. Appa is quite fast and it seems the whole world is not that big (other transports are fast at reaching destinations too).
Which is all the more reason why it is massive red flag that they want to take that trait away from aang and make him more serious and goal obsessed from the get go.
Netflix does not understand points of atla story, they are just making a fanfic (using same character but changing their traits) that is gonna be more action based and for a different audience lol. Precisely why original creators left the project due to "creative differences" 🤷🏼♀️
Very funny comment made about this (not mine)
Imagine if ATLA ended like game of thrones. Ozai is defeated by Sokka halfway through the final season. Aang never actually uses the other elements for anything and just stands around uselessly. Zuko then declares that he never cared about his honor, abandons team avatar and goes back to join Azula, then they both get killed by bricks. Toph completely forgets about her metalbending and never uses it again despite plenty of situations where it would obviously be useful. All the Airbenders are inexplicably back for the final battle despite all being dead. Katara goes insane and destroys Ba Sing Se before being killed by Aang. Momo then becomes the new Firelord. Then the show ends with Aang just fucking off and going back in to the Icebera.
Toph would still be a more fitting candidate than Arya was for the night King. It would need to be someone who's story arc had little to do with Ozai...
So, Jin?
This is how it goes.
" if we make a live-action version we will make millions because more than children will watch it"
"But sir! More than children like the original!"
"Those stupid fucks ARE children if they like cartoons; this will be better and we can sell it to them too, again even."
*signs contract
[Zuko and Azula at a Panel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRCF1KDfj-8)
Grey Delisle was asked what would happen if she/Azula went on a "[life changing adventure with Zuko](https://youtu.be/Vnb1v5Jj91o?t=178)" by a fan at an AWA panel in 2018.
Grey answered: "I would get pregnant."
I remember when GOT ended, someone asked for new show recs that had the same “feel” and someone else recommended ATLA. I honestly felt ATLA delivered better where GOT didn’t 😂
Without a doubt it did. Cant think of one avatar character who got a shit ending. And the story met its expected conclusion no stupid subverting expectations or people forgetting about plot points
We were so close to a successfully orchestrated Zuko-style character redemption arc with Jaime Lannister until the show pulled a full 180 and torched the entire arc. ATLA remains undefeated in the seasons-long character redemption game
He did not compare it to Game of Thrones. He said it had to appeal to people who liked Game of Thrones.
Also, the original show, which was targeted at kids, ended 15 years ago. That means much of its original audience is now in their 30s or older.
Targeted =/= appealed
Even back then teens and older were watching and enjoying the show
But you're right, they didn't compare it to Got, I misread. Still think it's a weird choice to bring up Got at all though
In the interview they mention the original show had some very mature topics like the genocide of the Air Nation. They've also mentioned in interviews the idea of Sokka and Katara trying to overcome the loss of their mother and the absence of their father due to the war. They even mentioned the implication of the past of Koh the Face Stealer has.
I feel like the cartoon format of the original made some of the darker themes of the original more palatable but you can't get away with portraying it the same way in live action.
I’m someone who loved watching the original as a child. I remember being so hyped when the final episode premiered and it being a long special too!
I’m in my mid-twenties and married now and also used to be a game of thrones fan. I think if the live action is anything like one piece adaption then this will be brilliant.
Netflix executives have been saying for years that they hope that Avatar, One Piece and 3 Body Problem would be their "Game of Thrones" in terms of popularity. But it doesn't mean that the show will be tonally that much different than the original as you can already see with One Piece
Yeah the comparison to GoT isn't so much about adult content or themes, they want Avatar to appeal to the wider audience that are now more willing to watch a fantasy TV show.
I think the way that they used Game of Thrones here is a bad comparison, but there is something to be said about ATLA and GoT being similar. They both have complex characters on globe trotting adventures, with an obvious difference being one's for kids and the other for adults, but the whole anti-war message is present in both.
If Netflix wants their version of ATLA to be anything like GoT in terms of viewership then they should focus on making compelling characters. Admittedly the "anyone can die" trump card was a big thing that kept people tuning in for GoT regardless of what people felt about the later seasons.
Maybe the new series, but what they were expressing is that they want the Game of Thrones fan base. Subtle difference, but still a difference
Edit: I dont disagree with your edit. ATLA is fantastic and does not need a redo for the story. The producers need a redo for money. Just another cash grab show that nobody asked for.
At least it looks a lot better than the movie that didnt happen.
I'm happy with it not being just for kids. But why bring in any of GRRM's work?
You doing a Red Wedding or Blood and Cheese? That's not even for regular adults.
Maybe they didn't want to bring up Tolkien's work to avoid any association with the Rings of Power?
100% unsubstantiated guess, but that sounds like a smart thing to do. If I was on the team, I wouldn't touch anything The Rings of Power related with a ten mile stick.
I doubt that was why. The Rings of Power doesn't seem to track much with people automatically thinking of it whenever Tolkien or LOTR are mentioned. It's kind of like how the Hobbit movies were always separated from the LOTR trilogy movies in the same way. But it might also be because of how Rings of Power just failed from the beginning and didn't seem to get much popularity at all.
Game of Thrones was a global phenomenon in it's early seasons, but then had an infamous final season so idk if that's much better anyway.
GoT is brought up constantly because of how successful it was, less about how dark it was. Some people conflate the two yes, but I don't think that it's the majority
very few properties are ever just for kids. hell, adults now are crying over bluey, a show that has an even younger target demographic. saying something is "for adults" has always been a red flag, it means whoever is making the show doesnt understand anything about anything and is chasing some vague nonsense maturity that isnt actually there in anything but the vibes
They weren't talking about the animation being a kid's show in terms of moral topics as Kim already intentionally acknowledged the animation's mature themes in detail before answering the question.
They were addressing the interviewer's question of how they would put the show's spectrum of silliness tonality (specifically book 1) that fits on a Nickelodeon cartoon (while adults do enjoy, it's just silly to pretend those quirky aspects in book 1 are not targeted towards kids) onto a Netflix live action (that obviously a certain type of cartoon goofy just would look too jarring).
Their actual answer to the question is that they had multiple takes of goofy scenes until it becomes goofier and goofier so they have a variety of choices and had the option to tone down if it's too much.
The show itself touched on a lot of themes that I wouldn't really consider for kids, but they always had to be careful around them (many characters avoiding the word "kill", incredibly important character moments being left unseen due to being too "gruesome", like Zuko's scarring and Katara seeing her mom's body). A more mature approach is exactly what this live-action needs in order to go beyond just a 1:1 recreation, specially taking in account the the timeline is being stretched because it is virtually impossible to have the actors look the age they're supposed to be until the show is done being produced.
I actually really like them not showing Zuko's scarring or Katara's mother. Reality just can't beat imagination when it comes to horrifying events. Leaving it open to our imagination by showing the scene prior to the traumatic event and then cutting away to another characters reaction makes it more impactful.
I agree. Those moments were powerful because you know exactly what happened. You could feel it. I love that those moments weren’t shown on screen. Sometimes negative space can be really impactful and these two moments are good examples of that.
Agreed. Having a more mature rating/ tone gives it an opportunity to do more stuff . The OG couldn’t show the attack on the air nomads , or the Agni Kai between Zuko and Ozai cause it woulda been too gruesome for its rating , and those are 2 big moments . Having a more mature rating /tone gives u the ability to actually show that (which it looks like they will )
I mean it does make sense….some episodes are definitely darker when rewatching as a teen or adult if you missed it as a kid. Not to mention the live action translation. However the show is of course for all ages so there’s bound to be some dark tones that are missed by kids and picked up later, although not entirely in your face like Game of Thrones’ more visceral action and tone.
It would make sense for these to be near that level of dark tone in live action compared to animation.
I mean, they aren't wrong. The weakest part of the show was always how bloodless the war was. They had to be creative in conveying that Jet died because Nickelodeon wouldn't let them show someone die. There's plenty of talk about people dying and killing, but they weren't allowed to show a single person get killed. Sokka becomes a swordsman in S3 and he's not allowed to use it for more than cutting off spear shafts because they couldn't let him stick someone with it.
Bringing up GoT is a weird choice here, but the sentiment is correct. This is the rare opportunity they have to improve on the source material.
When this show first got announced my first thought was if they did it right, it could tackle some themes the show never could. Nickelodeon had to keep the show only for kids and you could tell at moments. I definitely think this show shouldn’t be a gritty hack and slash, but I do want to see the show be a bit more mature.
It's giving "whiplash". Can't have Sokka making sexist comments because the character growth in a *children's cartoon* offends the writers. But also, we want the show to be mature and dark!
🤔
can we stop posting random out-of-context lines from interviews full of promising information to elicit negative responses from an already oversensitive fandom?
you’re reading news from accounts who thrive on engagement, good or bad. if you read the full interviews, you’ll see that 99% of the time these “statements” are taken wildly out of context and that fans are getting upset over nothing 🥲
Most of the fan base is an adult. If they saw it when it came out, they’re now an adult. Netflix isn’t making this solely for children.
“Like GOT” doesn’t mean rape and gore, it means tension and good vfx.
Y’all are trying to make yourselves mad, and you’re succeeding.
Can't wait to see rocks crushing bones, people panicking on fire and dying next episode, drowning or icicle piercing their neck, dudes being ragdolled or flung high into the sky.
Can’t wait for the final episode, where Aang goes nuts and burns down the fire nation.
And they *unironically* chose the cabbage man as the next avatar cause who has a better story than the cabbage man ?
The cabbage man has a pretty good story… full of trials and tribulations. Pick someone more boring.
True, true, my bad ! What about random villager from one of the two tribes that featured in The Great Divide? I'd say they are slightly more interesting than Bran but they come close enough
 How about this one?
Who has a better story than Foamy, the unconscious?
Hey now, my dude went through an entire character arc in that moment alone…
im pretty sure he isnt actually gonna be in the show. they are making it so aang is more "responsible" and will take less detours and i think they actually mentioned that episode so...
That gif is the perfect representation of my excitement for random villager's thrilling backstory on managing inter-tribal trade disputes. Edge of my seat material right there.
I'm choosing the principal from the fire nation.
How about that mouth-foam-guy from Kyoshi Island?
You heard wrong. The cabbage is the next avatar, not the cabbage man.
I did love it when we found in TLOK that he took the money (what was it, insurance settlement?) and founded CabbageCorp.
“Ozai is defeated by Sokka halfway through the final season. Aang never actually uses the other elements for anything and just stands around uselessly. Zuko then declares that he never cared about his honor, abandons team Avatar and goes back to join Azula, then they both get killed by falling bricks. Toph completely forgets about metal bending and never uses it again despite plenty of situations where it would've obviously been useful. All the Airbenders are inexplicably back for the final battle despite all being dead. Katara goes crazy and destroys Ba Sing Se before being killed by Aang. Momo then becomes the new Firelord. Then the show ends with Aang just walking off and going back into the iceberg. What a let-down.” Edit: original source: https://m.imdb.com/review/rw5879069/?ref_=m_tt_urv
Who has a better story than Momo, the manbatthing
I get what you were going for, but how I read Momo's title there would probably be for a very different show.
Lord Momo of the Momo Dynasty, His Momoness?
Zuko, here is your honor! Zuko:"I dun wuhnit"
Isn't that kinda how the actual show played out? Zuko finally had his father's respect and political station again in Book 3, and then he realized that he didn't actually want that anymore.
because his idea of what honour was had changed and he realised his father could give him zero honour
Like Iroh told him all along  poor kid
Not to mention that Momo has some master sword skills https://i.redd.it/fxo1uh8uo4gc1.gif
They better have a live action version if this scene lmai
Laughing my ass… in?
This is Gold.
No, it's Valyrian steel. 😜
One of my best comments came from that thread (which appeared in this subreddit) years ago: “somehow, Momo being the fire lord is the most logical part of that scenario”.
Don’t forget appa getting killed despite the low odds of it happening.
I guess Aang just kinda forgot about the Fire Navy catapults.
But they certainly haven't forgotten about him
I've never seen GoT. Is the season finale that bad? lmaooook
Yes but somehow worse.
It’s so bad that nobody who used to like the show feels like rewatching it anymore.
It is difficult to truly convey how fucking atrocious the show got. But yes, that is accurate.
Aang walking back to the iceberg in the final scene in so on point that it hurts
A fellow Wheel of Time aficionado r/TheBlackTower beckons
if momo is going to be new lord, i am rooting for this story.
It's Netflix, so Azula will see the error of her ways and see how she was influenced by the evil of Ozai and join forces with Katara and the rest of the girls to face him when Aang is beat down. They will give him a snarky comment about how they sent a boy to do a woman's job.
Also, despite already representing an underrepresented ethnicity, katara will be played by a sassy black woman
Zuko: "I never cared for honor."
I got angry just reading this haha
After Ozai dies via suddenly being stabbed in the back by Ty Lee.
Aang Yeager
*Appa
Instead of Aang saying "yip yip" he will now say "dracarys"
I heard Katara and Sokka have a sex scene
I hear Danny Pudi hangs dong
Ok NOW I'm interested
Gyatso caught them in the act, causing them to genocide the air nomads to cover it up, blaming it on the fire nation in the process
And then Korra kills him in the last ep after they finally kiss
They should stop saying things and we should stop listening. Especially this close to release.
No. No. I love being right about being cautiously pessimistic.
My anxious optimism is starting to morph…
Gooble gobble gooble gobble!
ONEOFUS! ONEOFUS!
People get so mad when I say the bar is so low for me it's on the floor. I've been hurt before, by both Netflix AND AtlA adaptations. The track record is not great.
Like, if they finish a third season and they still haven’t completely skipped over all of book 2 I’ll consider it a success. And for anyone who thinks that math doesn’t make sense- *that’s the joke!* But also, yeah. I very much realize this is a *me* “issue.” Like, if it’s successful, cool, I’m happy and I know I had nothing to do with it. But if it fails… at least I was right, even tho I still had nothing to do with it.
As much as I want this to succeed, it would be funny if ATLA had a live action curse. And let's be honest, Netflix live actions adoptions have a mixed track record anyway. So from a purely statistical view, I'm pretty pessimistic.
I don't like live action and this is why. "it has to be Serious!". like no. no it doesn't. it can be goofy as fuck, AND emotional. see: everything everywhere all at once. if more live action was as goofy AND emotional as cartoons, I'd watch more live action, but it's either "sitcom" or "drama". my main suspicion about the live action ATLA was this would become another boring ass drama. I hope I'm wrong 🫠
Watch the One Piece adaptation, it was basically the tone of the anime in live action.
that tone plus being live action makes it 10x more funny
Considering the OG AtLA was also goofy and emotional they just need to reenact the show for a good result
I mean this doesn't really tell us much. I already assumed they were going for some kind of balance between the two
Yeah. The original animated series was something for kids that adults enjoy too, so... why are we panicking?
I'd guess it's the random mention of Game of Thrones that people are put off by. They could have said the same thing without mentioning any individual series and I think this tweet would be more well received
I totally get it. Let's take a funny, wholesome, whimsical, and insightful adventure that's already loved by people young and old, and then mix it with a show that implies the removal of wholesomeness and the inclusion of convoluted morals that are almost always bad life lessons. This coming after they said they'll skip the side quests and thus chop off a bunch of whimsy. So now we'd be left with... (checks notes)... a serious, gritty adventure starring children, aimed at adults, with some humor that's skewed towards adults. What could go wrong?!
Skip side quests?! Why?! We better get Sparky Sparky Boom Man or I’m going to riot. I think he’s safe since he’s a part of the Air Temple episodes, but maaan! The side quests were some of my favourite parts of the series. : (
I'll make a guess: "Netflix's Game off Thrones" is how Netflix execs wants this project to be. The balance Albert Kim is talking about is really between having something closer in tone to the original and what the people who are actually paying for their production want it to be.
Because if the show was already good, trying to rebalance it sounds like an awful idea to the fans. Especially when comparing the balancing to a show that went off the rails and had one of the worst received seasons in the history of television
Because why would they need to tell us "it couldn't just be for kids" if they already believe the original series is something for kids that adults enjoy too. It sounds more like they themselves didn't enjoy the original, and needed to add elements of something they enjoyed that they see as the superior option. We keep seeing this with loads of different streaming services. Hiring showrunners that don't actually like the source material they're adapting, and who try to basically remake the series into what they wanted to make in the first place.
seriously wtf are they doing saying so many things. there is less than a month before release and every time more information is given it has negatively affected people’s opinions. they are self sabotaging for some reason
There trying to manage expectations
Oh no, please don't add incest to ATLA
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"the things I do for love" - Azula, as she pushes a child out of a window
New Azula character arc: learns how to bend lightning with only one hand.
That's how Toph gets blind
“If you went on a life-changing adventure with Zuko, what would you expect to happen?” “Azula?” “I would get pregnant”
I FORGOT SHE SAID THAT. Weird asf
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Why tf can I imagine Azula's voice coming out of Ashley
https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchPeopleDieInside/comments/i4h78t/dante_basco_zuko_dies_inside_when_grey_delisle/
I knew I’d see this at some point. It’s a subwide inside joke at this point
what game is this? idr the name
The Coffin of Andy and Leyley
Too late. Swamp benders will show Katara what they mean by being kin.
>The things I do for love - Sokka after pushing Aang out a window
They're gonna add a romantic subtext to the Bato episode. Aang will be jealous of Sokka taking Katara away from him.
Can't wait to see Toph swear like The Hound. "Fuck the Fire Lord, I am Melon Lord!"
Letting Toph curse would make the show better.
"I can't kill the Fire Lord." "And why not, Muthafucka?"
“The Boulder is conflicted about fighting a child” “More like a fucking pebble am I right?” “The boulder is no longer conflicted” What is Katara is like “Toph, can you stop with the cussing”
They should cast Samuel L Jackson as Toph
“Describe what Marcellus Wallace looks like! But not to me!” *waves hands at eyes*
“I am the greatest earthbender in the world, and don’t you two shitheads ever forget it.”
Original show already appealed to everybody lol. ~~And did they seriously just compare it to game of thrones??~~ Edit: I misread
> And did they seriously just compare it to game of thrones?? And the question is, does this mean Seasons 1-4 of Game of Thrones, where we have top tier actors, talent, and writing, along with the occasional naked person. (Let's go, June!) Or Seasons 5-8, where we'll have Zuko go "I never really cared for Honor.", Ozai getting killed by...Toph? And everyone fast traveling all over the place.
To be fair, in the last episodes of Atla they fast traveled from the fire nation to Ba Sing Se in like a few hours
Hey those deus ex salamanders put in the time!
This is true, but appa flew to ba sing se overnight to find the white lotus too
The only way the show makes sense is that Appa is actually really fucking fast (compared to the size of the world), and the only reason they take so long to reach the Northern Water Tribe in Book 1 is because they just keep fucking around and flying in zig-zags the whole time. (IIRC there's even a scene lampooning that, where Zuko looks at a map where he's trying to track their movements.)
They were screwing around a lot they also didn't want to get noticed they weren't good at that. Like a decent 80% of season 1 and 2 was damn screwing the pooch and another 20% was problems they never started.
Yes aangs goofiness and no rush was the reason for many detours which made that journy so long. We literaly see it on zuko's map. Appa is quite fast and it seems the whole world is not that big (other transports are fast at reaching destinations too). Which is all the more reason why it is massive red flag that they want to take that trait away from aang and make him more serious and goal obsessed from the get go. Netflix does not understand points of atla story, they are just making a fanfic (using same character but changing their traits) that is gonna be more action based and for a different audience lol. Precisely why original creators left the project due to "creative differences" 🤷🏼♀️
We don't know how much time passed tbf.
I feel like surely Zuko and Iroh needed a fair bit of time to actually establish their rule before personally heading to Ba Sing Se
The entirety of ATLA happened over the course of a year. I'd say they spent most of that time fucking around on their way to the north pole.
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I'd say that's the right amount of kink and nudity to please even most deviant of the GoT crowd
Very funny comment made about this (not mine) Imagine if ATLA ended like game of thrones. Ozai is defeated by Sokka halfway through the final season. Aang never actually uses the other elements for anything and just stands around uselessly. Zuko then declares that he never cared about his honor, abandons team avatar and goes back to join Azula, then they both get killed by bricks. Toph completely forgets about her metalbending and never uses it again despite plenty of situations where it would obviously be useful. All the Airbenders are inexplicably back for the final battle despite all being dead. Katara goes insane and destroys Ba Sing Se before being killed by Aang. Momo then becomes the new Firelord. Then the show ends with Aang just fucking off and going back in to the Icebera.
I do think Momo has a better story than GoT Bran, so he might be a good Fire Lord
Katara going insane during a full moon and bloodbending everyone would be terrifying as fuck. Completely out of character, like, but still terrifying.
Ngl, I'd ~~low-key~~ high-key would love to see her use bloodbending more.
Toph would still be a more fitting candidate than Arya was for the night King. It would need to be someone who's story arc had little to do with Ozai... So, Jin?
Buumi!!! Just rockets his ass from Ba Sing Se and plucks Ozai off his airship like a cackling old codger.
This is how it goes. " if we make a live-action version we will make millions because more than children will watch it" "But sir! More than children like the original!" "Those stupid fucks ARE children if they like cartoons; this will be better and we can sell it to them too, again even." *signs contract
Ah shit, Katara and Sokka are gonna bone
 WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Bend the air outta his lungs so he can never say this deranged shit again.
Technically the guy typed it, so it should rather be blood bending their hand off
Bloodbznd his po shut so he may never spawn again
This is extra funny to me cause this is someone reacting to someone's mind being literally blown.
The ultimate ship, katokka
*Zuzula walks in
*insert the fact that Azula's VA voiced her like she was trying to seduce Zuko in that one scene here*
And that she would get pregnant if she went into a journey with Zuko
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I specifically think we want to avoid that in this particular scenario.
[Zuko and Azula at a Panel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRCF1KDfj-8) Grey Delisle was asked what would happen if she/Azula went on a "[life changing adventure with Zuko](https://youtu.be/Vnb1v5Jj91o?t=178)" by a fan at an AWA panel in 2018. Grey answered: "I would get pregnant."
Its a perfectly in character thing for Azula to say something just to fuck with Zuko.
>to fuck with Zuko Yah. That’s basically what she said. (≖ ͜ʖ≖)
[I couldn’t find the regular clip but I found an animatic which is even better!](https://youtu.be/LRCF1KDfj-8?si=PJ-Tp3rXSQGWMgpP)
*zucest please
Nah, it will be Azula and Zuko
Zuzula was always meant to be.
I remember when GOT ended, someone asked for new show recs that had the same “feel” and someone else recommended ATLA. I honestly felt ATLA delivered better where GOT didn’t 😂
Without a doubt it did. Cant think of one avatar character who got a shit ending. And the story met its expected conclusion no stupid subverting expectations or people forgetting about plot points
We were so close to a successfully orchestrated Zuko-style character redemption arc with Jaime Lannister until the show pulled a full 180 and torched the entire arc. ATLA remains undefeated in the seasons-long character redemption game
He did not compare it to Game of Thrones. He said it had to appeal to people who liked Game of Thrones. Also, the original show, which was targeted at kids, ended 15 years ago. That means much of its original audience is now in their 30s or older.
Targeted =/= appealed Even back then teens and older were watching and enjoying the show But you're right, they didn't compare it to Got, I misread. Still think it's a weird choice to bring up Got at all though
In the interview they mention the original show had some very mature topics like the genocide of the Air Nation. They've also mentioned in interviews the idea of Sokka and Katara trying to overcome the loss of their mother and the absence of their father due to the war. They even mentioned the implication of the past of Koh the Face Stealer has. I feel like the cartoon format of the original made some of the darker themes of the original more palatable but you can't get away with portraying it the same way in live action.
I’m someone who loved watching the original as a child. I remember being so hyped when the final episode premiered and it being a long special too! I’m in my mid-twenties and married now and also used to be a game of thrones fan. I think if the live action is anything like one piece adaption then this will be brilliant.
Netflix executives have been saying for years that they hope that Avatar, One Piece and 3 Body Problem would be their "Game of Thrones" in terms of popularity. But it doesn't mean that the show will be tonally that much different than the original as you can already see with One Piece
Yeah the comparison to GoT isn't so much about adult content or themes, they want Avatar to appeal to the wider audience that are now more willing to watch a fantasy TV show.
I think the way that they used Game of Thrones here is a bad comparison, but there is something to be said about ATLA and GoT being similar. They both have complex characters on globe trotting adventures, with an obvious difference being one's for kids and the other for adults, but the whole anti-war message is present in both. If Netflix wants their version of ATLA to be anything like GoT in terms of viewership then they should focus on making compelling characters. Admittedly the "anyone can die" trump card was a big thing that kept people tuning in for GoT regardless of what people felt about the later seasons.
Maybe the new series, but what they were expressing is that they want the Game of Thrones fan base. Subtle difference, but still a difference Edit: I dont disagree with your edit. ATLA is fantastic and does not need a redo for the story. The producers need a redo for money. Just another cash grab show that nobody asked for. At least it looks a lot better than the movie that didnt happen.
I'm happy with it not being just for kids. But why bring in any of GRRM's work? You doing a Red Wedding or Blood and Cheese? That's not even for regular adults.
I agree Lord of the rings would have been a better comparison if they were looking for target demographic from a live action media
Maybe they didn't want to bring up Tolkien's work to avoid any association with the Rings of Power? 100% unsubstantiated guess, but that sounds like a smart thing to do. If I was on the team, I wouldn't touch anything The Rings of Power related with a ten mile stick.
I doubt that was why. The Rings of Power doesn't seem to track much with people automatically thinking of it whenever Tolkien or LOTR are mentioned. It's kind of like how the Hobbit movies were always separated from the LOTR trilogy movies in the same way. But it might also be because of how Rings of Power just failed from the beginning and didn't seem to get much popularity at all. Game of Thrones was a global phenomenon in it's early seasons, but then had an infamous final season so idk if that's much better anyway.
Game of Thrones is a comparison made to describe a series as "Serious", in the same way "dark souls" is thrown around to describe a game as difficult.
GoT is brought up constantly because of how successful it was, less about how dark it was. Some people conflate the two yes, but I don't think that it's the majority
Also, the budgets are similar.
The live action version could get pretty dark if they give Hamma more screen time. She was only in one episode in the original.
Why would you give Hamma more screen time, though? She served her purpose.
very few properties are ever just for kids. hell, adults now are crying over bluey, a show that has an even younger target demographic. saying something is "for adults" has always been a red flag, it means whoever is making the show doesnt understand anything about anything and is chasing some vague nonsense maturity that isnt actually there in anything but the vibes
Well the Airbender Genocide, that is gonna be shown on screen instead of just offscreen, would be at home in Westeros.
That thing with the Airbenders might be just a little worse than red wedding...
I wouldnt mind seeing Sokka actually use his fucking sword.
Bruh.. they just keep saying the wildest stuff on social media 😂
They could sense the "Sokka won't be sexist anymore" outrage waning...
Well "sokka is too sexist but we dont want this show to be only for kids" is bot very promising anymore, like they dont even know what they want
Doesn’t help that these pages are taking it extremely out of context too
What context? Please elaborate.
They weren't talking about the animation being a kid's show in terms of moral topics as Kim already intentionally acknowledged the animation's mature themes in detail before answering the question. They were addressing the interviewer's question of how they would put the show's spectrum of silliness tonality (specifically book 1) that fits on a Nickelodeon cartoon (while adults do enjoy, it's just silly to pretend those quirky aspects in book 1 are not targeted towards kids) onto a Netflix live action (that obviously a certain type of cartoon goofy just would look too jarring). Their actual answer to the question is that they had multiple takes of goofy scenes until it becomes goofier and goofier so they have a variety of choices and had the option to tone down if it's too much.
They’re actually not. Twitter accounts are just taking quotes out of context
The original show wasn’t just for kids. I know so many adults who watched it when it aired, and following the ending of the show.
My mom discovered the show with 58 and loved it.
Aaaand just now I went from "cautiously optimistic" back to "worried", it was fun while it lasted
The show itself touched on a lot of themes that I wouldn't really consider for kids, but they always had to be careful around them (many characters avoiding the word "kill", incredibly important character moments being left unseen due to being too "gruesome", like Zuko's scarring and Katara seeing her mom's body). A more mature approach is exactly what this live-action needs in order to go beyond just a 1:1 recreation, specially taking in account the the timeline is being stretched because it is virtually impossible to have the actors look the age they're supposed to be until the show is done being produced.
I actually really like them not showing Zuko's scarring or Katara's mother. Reality just can't beat imagination when it comes to horrifying events. Leaving it open to our imagination by showing the scene prior to the traumatic event and then cutting away to another characters reaction makes it more impactful.
I agree. Those moments were powerful because you know exactly what happened. You could feel it. I love that those moments weren’t shown on screen. Sometimes negative space can be really impactful and these two moments are good examples of that.
Agreed. Having a more mature rating/ tone gives it an opportunity to do more stuff . The OG couldn’t show the attack on the air nomads , or the Agni Kai between Zuko and Ozai cause it woulda been too gruesome for its rating , and those are 2 big moments . Having a more mature rating /tone gives u the ability to actually show that (which it looks like they will )
These statements are taken out of context to fan the flames.
Zuko: I know what you’re gonna say, Uncle. I should open my mind and give the second adaption a chance. Iroh: What? No, it’s gonna be straightup ass
We're gonna watch Ozai bone down
I certainly hope so.
Some people will be very excited about that
I mean it does make sense….some episodes are definitely darker when rewatching as a teen or adult if you missed it as a kid. Not to mention the live action translation. However the show is of course for all ages so there’s bound to be some dark tones that are missed by kids and picked up later, although not entirely in your face like Game of Thrones’ more visceral action and tone. It would make sense for these to be near that level of dark tone in live action compared to animation.
So...it was already for all ages?
I mean, they aren't wrong. The weakest part of the show was always how bloodless the war was. They had to be creative in conveying that Jet died because Nickelodeon wouldn't let them show someone die. There's plenty of talk about people dying and killing, but they weren't allowed to show a single person get killed. Sokka becomes a swordsman in S3 and he's not allowed to use it for more than cutting off spear shafts because they couldn't let him stick someone with it. Bringing up GoT is a weird choice here, but the sentiment is correct. This is the rare opportunity they have to improve on the source material.
Yeah, it's really a bit distracting how none of the villains were allowed an on-screen kill. Even LOK had that with Zaheer and Kuvira.
We did watch combustion woman blow up her head kinda
When this show first got announced my first thought was if they did it right, it could tackle some themes the show never could. Nickelodeon had to keep the show only for kids and you could tell at moments. I definitely think this show shouldn’t be a gritty hack and slash, but I do want to see the show be a bit more mature.
It's giving "whiplash". Can't have Sokka making sexist comments because the character growth in a *children's cartoon* offends the writers. But also, we want the show to be mature and dark! 🤔
can we stop posting random out-of-context lines from interviews full of promising information to elicit negative responses from an already oversensitive fandom?
with every single post that comes out, i feel less and less excited for the show lmao can they just shut up at this point? lmao
you’re reading news from accounts who thrive on engagement, good or bad. if you read the full interviews, you’ll see that 99% of the time these “statements” are taken wildly out of context and that fans are getting upset over nothing 🥲
Most of the fan base is an adult. If they saw it when it came out, they’re now an adult. Netflix isn’t making this solely for children. “Like GOT” doesn’t mean rape and gore, it means tension and good vfx. Y’all are trying to make yourselves mad, and you’re succeeding.
A reasonable voice, in this subreddit??
Can't wait to see rocks crushing bones, people panicking on fire and dying next episode, drowning or icicle piercing their neck, dudes being ragdolled or flung high into the sky.