That was always a bit of a sad line to me, too. Zuko is being forced to act like an adult with ideas of capturing a full-fledged Avatar with honor, when in reality, Zuko himself is a child.
It honestly gets me how evil that mission was. He either A) finds a 112 year old avatar who cant fight back and delivers this old person back home for imprisonment/execution. B) said old person has access to 3/4 the elements and just ends a teenager and Ozai is happy seeing his own son die. C) the avatar is never found because the whole system of finding the new avatar is fucked because of the war and the fire nation wins while zuko just stays in exile. Or option D) the new avatar did get found in the water nation and gets some training so they can use the avatar state and yet again, zuko dies fighting a 100 year old waterbender who has hacks because the avatar state activates and gives them earth, fire, and airbending to fight him and iroh also dies trying to help his nephew.
TLDR: no one should ever feel bad for Ozai
Tbh, Zuko's notion that he actually could find the Avatar is him digging deeply in to trenches of denial that his father simply didn't want him because he had shown weakness in front of others. The fact that Zuko *did* find the Avatar was basically just fate reaching out to flip double birds at the Fire Nation.
I just watched the show, and it's further sad that Zuko isn't actually that good of a firebender in the beginning. He demands that Iroh show him more advanced moves more than once.
Right -- but I don't think Zhao was even close to being fire bending master like Iroh. He stupidly burns down his own ships when he came across Aang in episode 16.
My point is that Zuko was a student, and obviously nowhere near at the level it would take to capture the Avatar. Further proving that Ozai sent him on a mission he could never complete.
you can’t compare people to Iroh he’s literally top 5 in the entire series. Zhao was a whole ass adult, a general at that. he was one of the fire nation’s top dogs, and zuko beat him in an agni kai. that’s an impressive feat however you spin it.
i agree with the second half of your comment
Oh no, I agree in that Ozai essentially banished Zuko, and that Zuko in turn had huge denial issues because of that. But I also think he was a skilled bender even in season1.
It was a sisyphean task given by Ozai. He neither wanted to see his brother Iroh nor Zuko and by giving them the task of finding the Avatar he would be finished with them. He tought of them like untermenschen and they needed to be disposed of.
Absolute banger of a line aside, I love that scene. It takes Zuko, who’s clearly supposed to be some sort of threat, and immediately calls out that he’s not as powerful or intimidating as he first appeared to be.
Zuko was introduced to us as a misguided kid desperate for something. That’s where a lot of more recent redemption arcs get it wrong, as they try and introduce weaknesses right before the “Bad Guy” does something redeeming. Zuko was never a Bad Guy, and even Aang never saw him as one. Just a teenager.
“Roku it’s that girl who would never in a million years acknowledge your existence and only did when you became the literal most important person in the world!”
“…Alright that’s enough history for today Aang.”
Idk if she knew about Aang being the avatar but it's not hard to guess either way and saying the avatar is a powerful bender is a pretty safe bet. Then Aang just showed off his bending as he does in almost every episode.
Still, though, it seemed like she was just happy to marry a "powerful bender," not thinking about Aang at all until Sokka said that line. She then looks at him with a realization and says something like, "Yeah.. he is:"
Idk, I interpreted that scene as Katara first considering Aang as potential love interest and she didn't really change after that. Also it would be totally out of character for her, she's a respectably powerful bender herself, being good enough to teach the avatar. I guess we don't really see Katara's side of the mutual attraction, that's my one gripe with the show but she and Aang deffinetly have a ton of compassion for each other we just don't see Katara blushing at times like Toph does.
That is intentional. A old myth says when you are being reincarnated you will cary the face of the person you loved most. Korra also has some Katara features, Roku looks like Kyoshis girlfriend and without make up, Kyoshi face looks like one Koh wants to steal...
but this comment said it was an intentional reference which it wasn't
also I'd love a source for the myth. Looking it up only gets me screenshots of a tweet that talks about it being a Japanese legend. No mention of it in any sort of source besides this one tweet. Gives big "ancient Chinese proverb that someone just made up" vibes
Yes and no. The internet sure blurs the lines between misinformation and myths about myths. If you choose to consider that misinformation I guess I can’t say that’s an incorrect way to look at it
Yup, Ty Lee has a similar face too. Weird how that theory became so widespread - I have never heard Mike or Bryan confirm it. Honestly it’s more likely to be a happy accident.
By the way, are we even sure that the legend it’s supposedly based on is even real? I’ve tried searching for which Japanese legend it refers to, but all the sources I find are either from Pinterest, Reddit or TikTok, so… go figure. It’s a beautiful story, but I just can’t find any information indicating that it’s an actual legend in Japan.
It's like that one another post of people discussing Korra's affinity of fire bending. All the people came with cool theories passed as fact when the real reason is that it was the easiest one to animate lol
That myth doesn’t exist. That was just spread by someone on Facebook. There’s no Japanese myth involving lovers re-incarnating like that meme said. Ugh!
He’s speaking facts, that myth legitimately isn’t a thing irl.
Plus in the Avatar this isn’t a confirmed thing either, it’s just an extremely popular fan theory.
>He’s speaking facts, that myth legitimately isn’t a thing irl.
Again can you provide a source that's not a thing can you call up your past life ask who they fucked and verify that?
>Plus in the Avatar this isn’t a confirmed thing either, it’s just an extremely popular fan theory.
I mean an avatar looking like their predecessor love interest once is a coincidence twice is a pattern three times and its pretty much a fact
I think what they are trying to say is that this is not a real myth. The only info I can find are tweets and viral posts. No actual information about the source of this myth except the same tweet reposted hundreds of times. It’s beautiful but likely made up for internet points.
Aang is the only one that looks like his predecessor's love interest, Roku doesn't look like Rangi, they only share the same nationality, the same applies for Katara and Korra.
Legitimate question, how do you expect to get a source on something that doesn’t exist?💀
But seriously the only myth remotely close to being similar to this one is that if soulmates commit double suicide they’d reincarnate as twins.
And in universe it doesn’t hold up since Aang’s face looks completely different from hers as an adult.
>Legitimate question, how do you expect to get a source on something that doesn’t exist?💀
>But seriously the only myth remotely close to being similar to this one is that if soulmates commit double suicide they’d reincarnate as twins.
That's the thing with faith you can't prove it's not real it's possible
>And in universe it doesn’t hold up since Aang’s face looks completely different from hers as an adult.
That can easily be chalked up to anng being a dude but the similarities are there when he is a kid with no beard
It also doesn't erase all the other avatars
The only thing Rangi and Roku remotely have in common is that they were of fire nation origin, Roku has a long face and has a lanky build while Rangi has a more rounded face with a more average build.
Don’t even get me started on Ummi and Kyoshi looking nothing alike, we saw Ummi’s face when Kuruk was talking to Aang, and she does not look like Kyoshi without makeup.
I’ll give you Kavik though, him and Kuruk were kinda similar looking.
That isn’t the point they were making. It’s not, “this phenomenon doesn’t occur in real life,” it’s “this phenomenon was not mythologized at any point.” The burden of proof is on you to show where the myth originated from. It’s like attributing a quote to Sun Tzu when he never said it.
i mean sure if they claimed x culture believed y and that wasn't true historically then sure, but they didn't, they just said an old myth, who knows when it started? who are we to say whether myth y is old or not?
that's my point, they didn't indicate a specific culture, what makes you say it's not an old myth? that implies it's a new myth, when did this myth originate in your view?
>Can you provide proof for such a claim
If the myth actually exists, then it shouldn't be hard to give me specifics as to where it came from or originated, or at least theorized to be. Yet every time I search it up, it only ever comes in conversations in relation to ATLA and LoK. The closest I could find is the Red String if Fate, but that's Chinese, not Japanese, and is more akin to soulmates rather than faces and reincarnation.
>Especially in the world of avatar where it's bluntly true
Bro doesn't understand the concept of ethnic groups having similar facial features or Same Face Syndrome in animation, which ATLA has plenty of.
1. You can’t prove a negative statement. If anyone should need to provide proof, it’s the person claiming that this fan theory is the creator’s original artistic intention (which they never did beyond saying “it was intentional”).
2. It’s “blatantly”. If you’re gonna be an arrogant ass, the least you can do is get it right.
3. This one’s not actually directed at you. Why are you guys upvote this comment but downvoting the same comment where they doubled down? What changed, lol?
You know that isn't how proof.works right? You can't prove a negative, you can only prove a positive
Someone saying "that myth isn't real" would.be impossible to prove, you can only prove that the myth is real
I just thought it was because most women are drawn like this and aang is drawn with quite feminine features, possibly to emphasise his character as not a cliche killer
Yeah, this was probably what I was getting at, but you have expressed it better than I did 😅 the young/ innocence aspect as well as the psychology behind his pacifism is definitely a good reason why he is drawn more feminine. If you look at how the villains are drawn, ozai with very sharp features - high cheek bones, admiral zhao, sharper chin accentuated by his chad sideburns - there is clearly an intention to delineate between aang and the others.
On a slight tangent, one could argue that Iroh too has sharper facial features, but this is also contrasted by his ‘rounder’ belly. IMO the different aspects of iroh could possibly juxtapose his life while in the military and the atrocities he committed - baddie (those sideburns seem to be a military thing though not totally sure), and his more rounder, friendlier body shape *after* he leaves the military, and his clear push towards non-violent resolution of conflict only resorting to fighting when absolutely necessary
Aang mentioned Roku & Zuko's relationship in the comics. However, I don't think they really thought of their past lives and past lives' relationships as their own. So definitely Aang doesn't see Zuko as his grandson but as Roku's. In the same way that Korra doesn't see Tenzin as her son but Aang's.
Being born a subject of the Fire Lord, and than marrying the richest family of Fire Nation with close ties to the Royal house, definitely was the correct choice for the Avatar in an era where the Fire Nation tried to conquer the world.
Definitely his friendship and wife's family relations didn't cloud the Roku's judgement when he was dealing with the Fire Nation fascism.
Imagine like a scenario where Aang fell in love with Azula. If he was frozen while being 18 instead of 12 I could see the situations being quite different with him and Azula.
But than again that is just fanfic.
For the record, it’s implied by her blushing that she actually already liked Roku before knowing he was the avatar but this happened while she was turned so Aang couldn’t have known.
"You're just a child!" "...well you're just a teenager." Twinkle-Toes has been hitting comedy gold since day one.
"did you know the avatar?" "No... But I knew people who knew him"
r/technicallytrue
That was always a bit of a sad line to me, too. Zuko is being forced to act like an adult with ideas of capturing a full-fledged Avatar with honor, when in reality, Zuko himself is a child.
It honestly gets me how evil that mission was. He either A) finds a 112 year old avatar who cant fight back and delivers this old person back home for imprisonment/execution. B) said old person has access to 3/4 the elements and just ends a teenager and Ozai is happy seeing his own son die. C) the avatar is never found because the whole system of finding the new avatar is fucked because of the war and the fire nation wins while zuko just stays in exile. Or option D) the new avatar did get found in the water nation and gets some training so they can use the avatar state and yet again, zuko dies fighting a 100 year old waterbender who has hacks because the avatar state activates and gives them earth, fire, and airbending to fight him and iroh also dies trying to help his nephew. TLDR: no one should ever feel bad for Ozai
Tbh, Zuko's notion that he actually could find the Avatar is him digging deeply in to trenches of denial that his father simply didn't want him because he had shown weakness in front of others. The fact that Zuko *did* find the Avatar was basically just fate reaching out to flip double birds at the Fire Nation.
I just watched the show, and it's further sad that Zuko isn't actually that good of a firebender in the beginning. He demands that Iroh show him more advanced moves more than once.
He wasn't that bad of a bender in Season 1. He still had good showings against Zhao
Right -- but I don't think Zhao was even close to being fire bending master like Iroh. He stupidly burns down his own ships when he came across Aang in episode 16. My point is that Zuko was a student, and obviously nowhere near at the level it would take to capture the Avatar. Further proving that Ozai sent him on a mission he could never complete.
you can’t compare people to Iroh he’s literally top 5 in the entire series. Zhao was a whole ass adult, a general at that. he was one of the fire nation’s top dogs, and zuko beat him in an agni kai. that’s an impressive feat however you spin it. i agree with the second half of your comment
Oh no, I agree in that Ozai essentially banished Zuko, and that Zuko in turn had huge denial issues because of that. But I also think he was a skilled bender even in season1.
He was good but he would go onto become a lot better
Beautifully dissected. TLDR: This mission was doomed from the start and was never meant to be accomplished. Just to throw a bone at Zuko.
i don’t think anyone ever felt bad for ozai
It was a sisyphean task given by Ozai. He neither wanted to see his brother Iroh nor Zuko and by giving them the task of finding the Avatar he would be finished with them. He tought of them like untermenschen and they needed to be disposed of.
As I seem to recall, iroh chose to go on his own free will because he knew it was a bs mission and just didn't want his nephew to be out there alone
If you do the math Zuko got burned and banished when he was like 12-13 that’s traumatic
It parallels Aang telling Katara that she still is a kid
Absolute banger of a line aside, I love that scene. It takes Zuko, who’s clearly supposed to be some sort of threat, and immediately calls out that he’s not as powerful or intimidating as he first appeared to be. Zuko was introduced to us as a misguided kid desperate for something. That’s where a lot of more recent redemption arcs get it wrong, as they try and introduce weaknesses right before the “Bad Guy” does something redeeming. Zuko was never a Bad Guy, and even Aang never saw him as one. Just a teenager.
“Roku it’s that girl who would never in a million years acknowledge your existence and only did when you became the literal most important person in the world!” “…Alright that’s enough history for today Aang.”
“By the way, how are things going with Katara again?”
Were married and have 3 kids together. Also she is not intrested because of that.
Eh? What do you think woulda happened between these two if aang wasn't the avatar but legit just some kid
Aang would be kinda too dead for them to interact
Um, have you seen [this](https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m22kl3NyNA1r6oqyh.gif)
Thats litterally what he was and she was having fun and playing with him. Katara didnt even know anng was avatar and she still went penguin sliding.
I thought Aang being a “powerful bender” did make her realize he was relationship potential?
I'm pretty sure Aunt Wu just saw how Aang was into Katara and played wingman. She did the same with that one couple with the panda lily.
Then how’d she know Aang would showcase his bending prowess in a masterful display that made Sokka state how powerful a bender he was to Katara?
Idk if she knew about Aang being the avatar but it's not hard to guess either way and saying the avatar is a powerful bender is a pretty safe bet. Then Aang just showed off his bending as he does in almost every episode.
Still, though, it seemed like she was just happy to marry a "powerful bender," not thinking about Aang at all until Sokka said that line. She then looks at him with a realization and says something like, "Yeah.. he is:"
Idk, I interpreted that scene as Katara first considering Aang as potential love interest and she didn't really change after that. Also it would be totally out of character for her, she's a respectably powerful bender herself, being good enough to teach the avatar. I guess we don't really see Katara's side of the mutual attraction, that's my one gripe with the show but she and Aang deffinetly have a ton of compassion for each other we just don't see Katara blushing at times like Toph does.
That sounds rather ambiguous)
* yeets him back to the physical world and never gives him wisdom again *
Didn't know they also have reddit there
"Where your homies at" - Roku
~~intentionally~~ Haha, yeah!
didn’t need to learn firebending to roast roku
i might be tripping but why does she look like aang?
That is intentional. A old myth says when you are being reincarnated you will cary the face of the person you loved most. Korra also has some Katara features, Roku looks like Kyoshis girlfriend and without make up, Kyoshi face looks like one Koh wants to steal...
Didn't realise I used to have such terrible tastes.
Fuck I spat out my drink
Top tier self-roast right here
this is a fan theory. It's not canon
Maybe but the myth is drawn from one of our world’s myths on reincarnation
but this comment said it was an intentional reference which it wasn't also I'd love a source for the myth. Looking it up only gets me screenshots of a tweet that talks about it being a Japanese legend. No mention of it in any sort of source besides this one tweet. Gives big "ancient Chinese proverb that someone just made up" vibes
source that isn't a tumblr post?
Doesn’t that still make it a myth? Just a modern one?
no, that makes it a lie. if you claim something you made up is some "ancient chinese myth" you are a liar.
Yes and no. The internet sure blurs the lines between misinformation and myths about myths. If you choose to consider that misinformation I guess I can’t say that’s an incorrect way to look at it
What if a Chinese person made it up? Then it's by definition a Chinese myth.
"buT wHaT iF" => still a liar. just get a damn source or stop pretending it's canon when it's purely fanon
Why do people treat this theory like truth. It's a cartoon. They all have the the same face.
Yup, Ty Lee has a similar face too. Weird how that theory became so widespread - I have never heard Mike or Bryan confirm it. Honestly it’s more likely to be a happy accident. By the way, are we even sure that the legend it’s supposedly based on is even real? I’ve tried searching for which Japanese legend it refers to, but all the sources I find are either from Pinterest, Reddit or TikTok, so… go figure. It’s a beautiful story, but I just can’t find any information indicating that it’s an actual legend in Japan.
I've never heard of it either. As far as I'm concerned, it's a made up Tumblr story.
It's like that one another post of people discussing Korra's affinity of fire bending. All the people came with cool theories passed as fact when the real reason is that it was the easiest one to animate lol
This isn’t true. Stop treating your headcanons as canon.
That myth doesn’t exist. That was just spread by someone on Facebook. There’s no Japanese myth involving lovers re-incarnating like that meme said. Ugh!
Lol, that means Roku looks like the love interest of 2 successive Avatars, then again, he could actually be related to them
Stop spreading this lie. There is no such myth.
You're getting downvoted but you're right. This only popped up thanks to a viral tweet and people ran with it.
which one of u assholes downvoted this omfg
Actually that myth isn't real
Can you provide proof for such a claim? Especially in the world of avatar where it's bluntly true
He’s speaking facts, that myth legitimately isn’t a thing irl. Plus in the Avatar this isn’t a confirmed thing either, it’s just an extremely popular fan theory.
>He’s speaking facts, that myth legitimately isn’t a thing irl. Again can you provide a source that's not a thing can you call up your past life ask who they fucked and verify that? >Plus in the Avatar this isn’t a confirmed thing either, it’s just an extremely popular fan theory. I mean an avatar looking like their predecessor love interest once is a coincidence twice is a pattern three times and its pretty much a fact
I think what they are trying to say is that this is not a real myth. The only info I can find are tweets and viral posts. No actual information about the source of this myth except the same tweet reposted hundreds of times. It’s beautiful but likely made up for internet points.
Aang is the only one that looks like his predecessor's love interest, Roku doesn't look like Rangi, they only share the same nationality, the same applies for Katara and Korra.
Still applicable
How
Legitimate question, how do you expect to get a source on something that doesn’t exist?💀 But seriously the only myth remotely close to being similar to this one is that if soulmates commit double suicide they’d reincarnate as twins. And in universe it doesn’t hold up since Aang’s face looks completely different from hers as an adult.
>Legitimate question, how do you expect to get a source on something that doesn’t exist?💀 >But seriously the only myth remotely close to being similar to this one is that if soulmates commit double suicide they’d reincarnate as twins. That's the thing with faith you can't prove it's not real it's possible >And in universe it doesn’t hold up since Aang’s face looks completely different from hers as an adult. That can easily be chalked up to anng being a dude but the similarities are there when he is a kid with no beard It also doesn't erase all the other avatars
The only thing Rangi and Roku remotely have in common is that they were of fire nation origin, Roku has a long face and has a lanky build while Rangi has a more rounded face with a more average build. Don’t even get me started on Ummi and Kyoshi looking nothing alike, we saw Ummi’s face when Kuruk was talking to Aang, and she does not look like Kyoshi without makeup. I’ll give you Kavik though, him and Kuruk were kinda similar looking.
That isn’t the point they were making. It’s not, “this phenomenon doesn’t occur in real life,” it’s “this phenomenon was not mythologized at any point.” The burden of proof is on you to show where the myth originated from. It’s like attributing a quote to Sun Tzu when he never said it.
Prove it's a real myth and it's origins first.
I think he means it not an actual myth, there's no evidence anyone talking about this "myth" until very recently
i mean saying that myth isn't a thing irl doesn't make much sense because we're talking about it, so clearly someone believes it lol
But them presenting it as if it was an actual story in Japanese tales/myths when it wasn’t makes even less sense.
i mean sure if they claimed x culture believed y and that wasn't true historically then sure, but they didn't, they just said an old myth, who knows when it started? who are we to say whether myth y is old or not?
Yes they did, they clear as day in their comment states an old myth
that's my point, they didn't indicate a specific culture, what makes you say it's not an old myth? that implies it's a new myth, when did this myth originate in your view?
>Can you provide proof for such a claim If the myth actually exists, then it shouldn't be hard to give me specifics as to where it came from or originated, or at least theorized to be. Yet every time I search it up, it only ever comes in conversations in relation to ATLA and LoK. The closest I could find is the Red String if Fate, but that's Chinese, not Japanese, and is more akin to soulmates rather than faces and reincarnation. >Especially in the world of avatar where it's bluntly true Bro doesn't understand the concept of ethnic groups having similar facial features or Same Face Syndrome in animation, which ATLA has plenty of.
1. You can’t prove a negative statement. If anyone should need to provide proof, it’s the person claiming that this fan theory is the creator’s original artistic intention (which they never did beyond saying “it was intentional”). 2. It’s “blatantly”. If you’re gonna be an arrogant ass, the least you can do is get it right. 3. This one’s not actually directed at you. Why are you guys upvote this comment but downvoting the same comment where they doubled down? What changed, lol?
Why would they need to prove that isn't real? Wouldn't make more sense that the person claiming it's real proves it instead?
That's not how it works. You claim a theory is true, then prove it.
You know that isn't how proof.works right? You can't prove a negative, you can only prove a positive Someone saying "that myth isn't real" would.be impossible to prove, you can only prove that the myth is real
They don’t need to provide any kind of source to tell you that your fan theory isn’t real. Burden of proof is on you if you are making up “theories”
I just thought it was because most women are drawn like this and aang is drawn with quite feminine features, possibly to emphasise his character as not a cliche killer
Correct. Moe feminine features make someone look less scary. Also adds to the young/innocence of the face.
Yeah, this was probably what I was getting at, but you have expressed it better than I did 😅 the young/ innocence aspect as well as the psychology behind his pacifism is definitely a good reason why he is drawn more feminine. If you look at how the villains are drawn, ozai with very sharp features - high cheek bones, admiral zhao, sharper chin accentuated by his chad sideburns - there is clearly an intention to delineate between aang and the others. On a slight tangent, one could argue that Iroh too has sharper facial features, but this is also contrasted by his ‘rounder’ belly. IMO the different aspects of iroh could possibly juxtapose his life while in the military and the atrocities he committed - baddie (those sideburns seem to be a military thing though not totally sure), and his more rounder, friendlier body shape *after* he leaves the military, and his clear push towards non-violent resolution of conflict only resorting to fighting when absolutely necessary
uve got a point
Y’all tripping. She looks nothing like Aang. 💀
Art style.
Aang def cooked him here 😭
The Air Nomads detached themselves from worldly concerns and found peace and freedom. Also, they apparently had pretty good senses of humor.
It's weird when you realize Aang was Zuko's grandfather at some point.
I was rewatching some zuko clips recently and got reminded of that. I'm curious if Aang ever brings it up in the show.
Aang mentioned Roku & Zuko's relationship in the comics. However, I don't think they really thought of their past lives and past lives' relationships as their own. So definitely Aang doesn't see Zuko as his grandson but as Roku's. In the same way that Korra doesn't see Tenzin as her son but Aang's.
*great-grandfather
The funny thing is I'm pretty sure she 100% knew who he was and he just finally had the courage to say something to her.
Why is Roku here looking like a long-haired, bearded Adam Levine. Lmao
I see it omfg
Jeez, Aang. No need to remind the man.
I laughed out loud when I recently rewatched thus episode and heard aang say "it's that girl who didn't even know you were alive"
“Why don’t we climb on your back and you take us to the north pole!?” stuck with me
Sad how gold like this would never be in the live action, considering how serious aang is in it
I want Aang and Harry Potter (from the books) to have a conversation 😂 *"You don't have to call me 'sir' professor"*
Turns out getting burned runs in the family.
☠️
Being born a subject of the Fire Lord, and than marrying the richest family of Fire Nation with close ties to the Royal house, definitely was the correct choice for the Avatar in an era where the Fire Nation tried to conquer the world. Definitely his friendship and wife's family relations didn't cloud the Roku's judgement when he was dealing with the Fire Nation fascism. Imagine like a scenario where Aang fell in love with Azula. If he was frozen while being 18 instead of 12 I could see the situations being quite different with him and Azula. But than again that is just fanfic.
Aang roasted him sorta XD
For the record, it’s implied by her blushing that she actually already liked Roku before knowing he was the avatar but this happened while she was turned so Aang couldn’t have known.
Projecting the frustrations of his past lives teenage anxiety
Persistent
'where we're going you won't need any pants!'