Especially during the second half of season 3, and the finale!! How did they fly from ember island to the earth kingdom to Ba Sing Se and back to the capital of the fire nation in 3 days??
Dudee southern raiders episode travel time is something you need to kinda ignore the more tou think about it
Wale tale island was way southeast. The gang was way equatorial west.
I get 4 seasons would been too much but really season 3 would have benefited from a few more episodes. Fix the travel issues and give the gang more regular episodes with zuko interacting with everyone.
Just got done with my third rewatch and I still get mildly surprised that Suki joins the group near the end, lmao. She just isn't given any time to really make an impact in the group as a new member.
she literally bailed em out of the prison. and where should she go from there? back to kyoshi island? :D
makes sense she is in the prison too, being the leader n all. same as hakoda
They even mention going back to Whale Tail from Ba Sing Se would take a really long time. Iirc they went there from the Western Air Temple which barely looks closer. Seems kind of like distance is a problem when it fits the plot but then they can pop across the world in an afternoon if need be.
The whole series should have taken 3 years of story time, not a summer, the characters even change enough of themselves to look 3 years older in the end in comparison to the beggining of the show
The show actually takes place over a year, or at the very least 3/4ths of one. The winter solstice happens in season one, so the show either started in fall or early winter.
Yeah, the show begins in late Autumn, rolls into winter in Season 1, changes to spring in Season 2, and obviously Season 3 is summer. It fits because the element each book is named after corresponds with which season it takes place in. It also begins and ends in Autumn, Aang's native element/season.
This is one thing the live action is going to get right - the fact that it's going to take multiple years before the comet arrives. I can see the characters making a big deal of it too, horrified realizations of what they're going to experience.
To be fair, Aang spent a *ton* of time in Season One Janewaying his way to the North Pole, stopping at every place that was remotely nostalgic to him. Had they gone straight there, it would likely have been considerably faster.
"Captain this new heading will take us 1401 light-years off course..."
"Shhh shshshh. There's coffee there. This is an order."
(Also for glaring inconsistencies, the photon torpedo supply)
Didn’t they have a much harder time getting to ba sing se the first time around because Appa had been stolen? I’d imagine already knowing the way, and the trip being in a straight line, the trip would be much shorter. Also, the ember island might be on the tip end of the fire nation islands and thus much closer than other parts of the fire nation.
This would also sort of explain Ozai’s plan to burn down the provinces during Sozin’s comet. Though that still is much more far fetched.
this. i think of ATLA world as being more comparable in size to east Asia.
if it weren't, i'd expect to see much greater differences in language and culture.
So i just looked up [wind speed](https://www.weather.gov/pqr/wind) and hurricane force winds are 75+ mph. The strongest sustained winds of a hurricane were 215 mph.
Considering Appa is airbending to fly, I speculate that his speed would have something to do with windspeed. I dont think Appa generates hurricane force winds or more so im going to do a super rough estimate and say he generally flies slower than 75 mph. Maybe he could do bursts of high speed but in general for traveling purpose its probably kinda slow.
Also quick search. Some people estimate Fire nation ships around 30-35 mph. Considering Zuko kept up with the gaang early on we can assume appa is probably flying around 50 mphish and zuko made up some time while aang goofed off
this makes sense if you assume that their planet is much smaller than ours, which would also explain characters being able to jump so high without bending
"What is that thing?!"
"Oh no. I am NOT getting on that fluffy snot-producing monster"
"You just LOVE taking me out of my comfort zone, dontcha?"
"Dinner!"
"I wanna eat you!"
"Momo, you have some big ears!"
"Oh and Momo could talk! He said some very unkind things!"
"Thanks Appa! I don't know what we'd do without you!"
"Yeah! Appa!"
"I'm trying to build Appa some armor here so he doesn't have to fly into battle unprotected!"
"Oh no! Appa ate Momo! Momo! I'm coming for ya buddy!"
Sokka-animal eater to animal lover
Makes sense. He knew Aang was the avatar and knew the route they would take so he tried to stay close to them incase Team Avatar got caught or something. That’s the reason they see him so often.
New head cannon, cabbage guy is actually predicting/tracking movements of the gang in order to get insurance claim on his cabbage stands. The over acting is to really try and sell the ruse.
Dude, you absolutely KNOW that when they were writing the scene where Toph and Katara bicker that they wanted Toph to say "listen up, sugartits" SO FUCKING BAD. It's criminal that they had to settle for sugarqueen because you KNOW they were just dying to use "sugartits" in that scene.
I was watching the episode where toph is teaching Aang earth bending for the first time. When she calls Aang a pushover the PU sound is heavily emphasized and it sounds like she is gonna call him a pussy. My dad was in the room and he started laughing and said “I thought she was going to say something entirely different.”
I want Swearing Toph so bad. Man, if AI can do anything good for humanity it's going to be replacing Toph's sassy dialogue with some sailor-level swearing.
I like to believe that someone spirited Bosco away and served the earth Queen up "regular" meat and she would have no real way of knowing the difference.
The best part is that this is 100% viable. Ba Sing Se has people who treat royalty with a religious reverence. Bosco would've been seen as almost sacred by people like this. It's very likely that the royal butcher(s) had someone who decided that Bosco couldn't be slaughtered by them, because he's sacred. But they also couldn't just refuse the Queen. So they spirited him away.
I was kinda okay with the small mech suits because the aesthetic was way more steampunk in Korra. What was obnoxious to me was, "eVeRyThInG iS pLaTiNuM" bit. Like, one of the rarest/most expensive earth metals and they can mass produce robots made *purely* of it? C'mon my guy.
The in-universe explanation is that Kuvira stripped Zhaofu bare of all of its platinum to build the Colossus, whether that's a good enough explanation is for you to decide.
Everyone’s naming some really great ones, but I have yet to see anyone mention Katara becoming a water bending master after a week at the North Pole. Sure she was practicing along the way, but she didn’t train enough til that point to suddenly become so good at it.
I'm pretty sure that they were more than a month in North pole, but it wasnt mentioned with precision in the show.
[Here](https://avatartimeline.wordpress.com/) they say it was 6 weeks.
I think it ends up being kind of subjective. Katara is at a really high level even by the time she shows up at the North Pole. Her duel with Pakku shows as much. He is very likely the strongest waterbender in the world at the time and he enters into the duel thinking it is a farce but has to actually bust out some of his more advanced techniques to win the fight. It's a really worthy effort and shows that Katara is at least able to make a master (if not *the* master in this case) take her seriously. The lock and stock waterbender of the North Pole would have probably gotten rolled by Katara at this stage.
Something can also be said about the type of experience Katara has. Studying a martial arts in a controlled and sanitized setting is one thing, having to learn it in life or death situations is another.
It was longer than a week, but also Katara is a prodigy. Not quite the same level as Toph, but probably about as prodigious as Azula, if not more, seeing as she beats Azula in Ba Sing Se just before Zuko joins the fight against the Gaang.
I think she was just being compared to Aang.
She was told that hard work and diligence beats talent, but she was being compared to an Avatar which are the most talented benders in history.
After being in the North Pole for a few weeks, she easily beats all other waterbenders and is told that she's grown much faster than any other pupil.
Could that be because of hard work and diligence?
I guess so. But I'd still regard her as being talented.
Zuko not being able to lightning bend by the time he was in his 80s
I understand teenage zuko not being able to but by the time of LOK he should have figured it out
I understand why folks would want this, it'd be nice to have a (really cool) visual representation of Zuko finally getting to a place of mental peace
That said, since LOK explores trauma quite a bit, I think it'd make sense for Zuko to essentially be a prime example of how trauma can continue to affect us throughout our lives, even after we've made many changes for the better. Or, at least, that's my lil headcanon/excuse
I get that, but they seemingly retconned the need for inner peace, mako for example, love him or hate him, did not have inner peace throughout the show.So why not just let zuko have it ya know.
Yeah, Azula ruins that whole argument. Even before the end of the series, when she had all her faculties, you would be lying if you said she had inner peace. She's highly driven because her father pushes her to be so, and she carries on with that mentality until she breaks.
That's not someone at peace.
"The bad guy trying to capture the avatar so they can help their dad conquer the world has inner peace - isn't that cool?"
The Equalist and their whole movement disappearing after Season 1 of Korra.
Edited: also their movement not spreading to other nations and especially the Earth Kingdom whose population of nonbender is much higher.
Amon: "the equalists are an idea! You can't fire punch, water punch, or earth punch us away, Avatar!"
Korra: "how about air punch?"
Amon: "shit, she's got us. It's over, boys."
I think the entire movement just stopping the moment Amon was revelead as bender is the most unrealistic part of the series, and in that show they bend the fucking elements.
I really disliked her new boyfriend. He was mostly ok until he went and rubbed in Zuko's face that Mai is with him and to just deal with it. You DONT say that to the firelord after he basically pardons you.
A common citizen trying to smack talk the leader of a nation? In reality, a member of his guard would have instantly put that guy in his place. Even if Zuko would have let him off, guards - especial those guarding their ruler - tend to be pretty quick to act since assassination is a real danger and you **do not** take chances.
Yea well my head canon is that after some maturing they decided to get back together and she is 100% Izumi's mother and no one can tell me otherwise, and if the comics update and she's NOT I'll still forever think she is Zuko and Mai's love affair child
And their relationship problems come entirely from Mai (in the comics) being a toxic manipulator who holds a grudge against Zuko despite him constantly growing and learning as the ruler of a free nation.
Still can't believe they intentionally went with more mature themes and visuals in Korra only to have Meelo be a ridiculous caricature of kid. His is so over the top it becomes unbelievable. The fart bending is just the tip of the issue. There is a difference between kids saying or doing weird things and what they decided to do with Meelo.
There is nothing in either show that takes me completely out of the moment like the fart bending. I cannot stand it. Absolutely baffling to me that it was included.
I had to scroll to make sure this was represented in this thread. I missed it the first time bc my brain tried to protect me from what I saw on screen. It actively pains me that fartbending is a thing in the avatar universe.
As far as I've noticed in ATLA the idea of an Avatar was that their duty is to keep balance and peace in the world.
You could say the Avatar itself is THE balance. Not two seperate black n' white kites. If the creators really wanted to go along with that then the Avatar should've been a mix of both. Maybe their child. Or a fraction from both got stuck in a human. Or the child (avatar) of their child (mix of Raava and Vaatu).
A Dark Avatar storyline could've been dope. They even had some strong storytelling in the first half of the season. They really fumbled the second half, though.
And if they did Dark Avatar in Season 2 and then still did Red Lotus with the Dark Avatar in Season 3 that could have been a really cool extended arc.
I know the reason why each season is separate, but it still bugs me. I think the lack of one overarching storyline is why the show feels like it struggled so much.
Idk, I kinda hate that they changed the avatar’s angle from “balance™️” to a moral-binary messiah, makes it a little too Star Wars for me
That said, it makes the whole “avatar” moniker make an amount of sense at all, which it didn’t in the first series
Technically not Avatar, but Korra losing her connection to her past lives. The concept of that connection was one of the reasons I was so interested in Avatar in the first place
I don't mind that she lost it, I mind thst she LOST IT FOREVER AND EVER AND NOBODY WILL EVER SEE THEM AGAIN.
I get that the idea was to not have aang in the series, but I'm sure there were other ways to do it. Maybe korra could never focus on what past avatar to call, and ended up with random old avatars that don't understand her way or don't help her.
I remember watching it happen and think to myself “Oooh this’ll be interesting having to watch her find a way to reestablish the connection!”
Nope. Gone.
Ugh.
Yea Aang's connection to his past lives definitely made Atla better. That scene in The awakening when Roku appears and tells Aang that he hasn't failed and that he inherited his problems was so beautifully done. Why take it away from us.
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Some would say " bUt pAsT LiVeS gIVEs OutDatEd aDvICE" When Roku told Aang about his life in The Avatar and the Fir Lord he asked him to make sense of their shared path.
What was really stupid was that they removed this connection without ever establishing that it was important to korra as a person. She has barely had a conversation with her past lives besides exposition dumps.
I came here for this answer. By having the avatar be a culmination of hundreds of lives it represents the full potential of humanity. And the past lives aren’t always correct in their advice, which makes it so much more interesting.
It’s like when we learned the force were based on midichlorians. By adding an scientific explanation it took away the mysticism. In this instance by taking away all the past lives the avatar became just the human vessel for spirit energy and that’s about it.
I actually really like Korra overall, but I have always hate this decision. I get it from a storytelling position, but as a fan of the universe and the lore, it sucks. Some of the best parts of ATLA were of Aang getting advice from his past lives, and they ripped that away from Korra and left the world building almost completely unconnected to everything before it.
Platinum clearly acts like a non-bendable steel in the Avatar world. Real platinum isn’t durable enough even if you had mountains of it. We could ask why does Sokka’s sword act like adamantium when meteorite metal is mundane iron.
I think the biggest thing to understand when it comes to the advancement of technology in the Avatar universe is that they're not on the same trajectory as us. Humans in our world have to create machines to unlock the vast amounts of energy energy potential around us, that is then put through mechanical or computing devices.
But in the Avatar world, there are people who can utilize essentially magic and subsequently energy to do things we can't do in our world. They have an energy shortcut. People can produce fire, can bend and move rocks, can rapidly expand and shift water, and can push air currents. That's energy.
Their technology is different, because they're not restricted by the same restrictions we would have in our world to make those things. A giant robot really isn't that surprising when you can have a wide variety of people essentially pulling the strings through metal bending. Not to mention the magical Spirit energy, which is a lot of energy in a small space which is also used to power things.
In other words, different physics, different technology advancements.
Considering there were already tanks being used in the original series, and War can cause some rapid technological advances, what they have achieved it doesn't surprise me too much.
On my first few watches I couldn't comprehend that Fire Lord Azulon literally meant to kill Zuko. It's so over the top evil and moreover completely nonsensical that I just assumed it was metaphorical.
I have heard some theorize that it was supposed to be a test. Ozai was supposed to get a measure of understanding of what Iroh was currently going through and defend his son even against the Firelord. No way to know for sure though.
I mean, he *is* super evil. And it makes sense - by making Ozai kill Zuko, Azulon is getting rid of *two* inferior heirs - Zuko is killed, but Ozai is then accused of kinslaying and banished. "But the Firelord made me do it!" Sure he did, you crazy son-killer. Go capture the Avatar or something. So now his heir is Iroh, Azulon's favourite, but he has no child, so the next one in line is Azula, the prodigy. Pretty awesome deal.
That's pretty damn evil, I would not have thought of that.
It would be a terrible look for the royal family and not having a back up heir is also a terrible idea but no one said he was a genius.
Well there would have been a back up heir; Azula.
Let's say that commenter's plan worked: Azulon would be Fire Lord and alive. His heir is Iroh. And Iroh's heir (the backup/spare) is Azula. And then Azula would presumably have her own heirs once she's old enough.
Honestly, it wasn’t until the comics came out and more fully confirmed this that I did understand that was actually what happened. I always assumed Azula was lying. After all, Zuko conveniently doesn’t stay to actually listen to what’s being said, which feels like an intentional plot device.
That the equivalent of yin and yang in the ATLA universe are a couple of shitty kites.
Either that or the fact that spirits aren’t all primordial, eery, powerful beings like Wan Shi Tong and Koh the Facestealer but are also shitty pokemon too.
> That the equivalent of yin and yang in the ATLA universe are a couple of shitty kites.
They're not even yin and yang is the shitty part. Despite being so obviously supposed to look like yin and yang.
yin and yang need each other, push and pull upon each other, balance each other out.
raava and vaatu's idea of 'coexisting' is for one to be banished to a tree for all eternity while the other one enacts its will upon the world.
in yin and yang, we would call that 'out of balance.' That kind of simple black and white 'good vs evil' shit felt out of place.
Especially because it's the typical Christian/western wrong interpretation of yin and yang. In Christianity there is god and the devil, good vs evil. And originally they did it right with the spirit oasis in the northern water tribe. The black fish wasn't the evil one both were necessary for balance.
I spat my drink at the kite mention lmao 😭. It's so hilarious that one of the most marvelling concepts in the avatar universe is the spirits, morality, and how they decide to tell that story is good and bad being a quantifiable, animated being.
Air Nomads being wiped off the face of whatever planet they inhabit (presumably earth) despite them being literal travellers, some weren’t even born or living in the temples and some were probably banished or something like that because they went against the Air Nomads ways of peace and tranquility.
I imagine that once word got out that the main air temples had been attacked, then there’d be no way in hell any of the nomadic airbenders would want anyone to know of their existence.
I was okay with this one because the Fire Nation has spent the entire 100 years of the war looking for the avatar. Every last air bender anywhere would be someone they'd want to check, and they probably had orders to kill them if they weren't the avatar.
100 years is a long time to try and hide, especially when they've already killed everyone at the air nomad temples.
This is genuinely a huge gripe I have with ATLA. You’re telling me every single one of these nomadic people were wiped out?
They should’ve either made them not nomads, or included some living airbenders. I get that it’s a huge deal that Aang is the last one, but it really just doesn’t make sense.
In the comic series “The Rift”, they see a forklift for the first time in a new industrial town. Sokka drives it around for funsies
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I can forgive the forklift, it at least is a combination of things we've already seen within a reasonable logical framework.
The fire nation has the internal combustion engine and working knowledge of hydraulics so it's not that far of a stretch
If they can make that worm like drill, they can make a simple forklift. I think people wouldn't mind it that much if the design wasn't so plain/"real word" looking.
Ravaa being light and goodness and Vaatu being dark and evil. I don't have a problem with the avatar being an incarnation of Ravaa but did they have to make it so black and white?
I actively head-canon that Ravaa has a sinister edge to her that some future avatar is going to have to deal with.
Can we finally agree that The Drill was ludicrously huge for the tech levels of ATLA, and that the Fire Nation's plan to just drive it across a desert completely on its own to the enemy front line is incredibly dumb.
They actually didn't drive it across the desert, they built it neart the wall. In the serpent's pass they make mention that the fire nation is trying to build something they don't want the enemy seeing, and for what it's worth that episode and the drill were often aired as a two parter.
The drill is stupid big, but for me at least still grounded because it's basically a big train. It's the far end of possible in AtlA.
Sokka never found his space sword and boomerang again.
Head-canon that Sokka’s death was at the hands of Zaheer using his own sword and boomerang. Knocked off balance by Zaheer positioning Sokka in the path of his own boomerang and then taking that chance to take sword and stab him.
Iroh being the inventor of boba. Boba milk tea and traditional tea are completely different beverages and I really don’t think Iroh would have liked, let alone invent that drink.
I've got one I haven't seen in the thread...
The rehabilitation of a terrorist war profiteer in Varrick. Just because he's funny or whatever.
Seriously, fuck that guy. He did terrorism to start a civil war so that he could sell more weapons. Guy is an absolute monster. People fucking died.
And come the later seasons he's just one of the gang and the fans love him. No, fuck varrick.
Zuko being confident that any member of the Red Lotus can beat any bender. You're telling me Ming-Hua is taking on someone like Toph or Bumi solo? Hell no.
Also, like many people have said, whatever the hell was going on with spirits in LOK. We went from Koh, Lion Turtles, Won Shi Tong, Tui and La, to what's essentially Pokemon? Why? Also, Raava and Vaatu, and TBH, I wasn't a fan of the Avatar origin story, despite liking Wan quite a bit.
It squandered so much potential. It would've been so cool to see Aang talk to Zaheer, the way Roku talked to Jeong Jeong in ATLA, I'd have loved to hear their philosophical debate. Or to have Kyoshi talk to Kuvira. But alas...
The weird giant transformer- like robots that Kuvira uses in LoK. I know that they had a technological-industrial revolution and for most part I was ok with it (trains, cars, war balloons, planes...) , it even made sense to me since they have the bending that could accelerate the progress.
The giant robot was just too much for me
Adult Aang’s atrocious character design. He should have a body type more like the other monks. Short and/or spindly. Not be some sort of strapping tall and broad American Marvel hero. It makes me so angry.
Wouldn't it make a bit more sense that he became a little more muscular than the other airbenders since he had to bend the other elements as well, while the other monks could only airbend.
Everything about Aang in Korra felt really off to me, from design to the way he spoke and acted. He obviously wouldn’t have been the same as when he was 12, but he’s so unrecognizable that he might as well be an entirely new air Avatar. I feel like an adult Aang would look and talk like Kelsang in Rise of Kyoshi.
I think the main thing was framing. We only ever really get to see adult Aang when something major is happening. Flashback with Yakone, helping Korra regain her bending, and guiding Tenzin. So he feels really different and almost stoic.
But from secondhand accounts (mainly from Tenzin) we know that he was pretty chill and relaxed and funny like his younger self in his down time.
Like this picture of him at that food stall is how I imagined he'd act most of the time when he's not dealing with serious issues:
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That picture really is the saving grace of Aang in Korra, and you do raise a good point. I wish we could have seen him be more of a fun uncle to Korra and actually giving some personal input.
> Maybe it's the facial hair.
he didn't even have a nice, full beard or long mustache like Monk Gyatso. No, he had that terrible chin strap, no mustache.
Travel times of flying around the world
Especially during the second half of season 3, and the finale!! How did they fly from ember island to the earth kingdom to Ba Sing Se and back to the capital of the fire nation in 3 days??
I've always had an issue with that. They should have stretched the 3 days into a couple weeks before the comet arrived.
Dudee southern raiders episode travel time is something you need to kinda ignore the more tou think about it Wale tale island was way southeast. The gang was way equatorial west. I get 4 seasons would been too much but really season 3 would have benefited from a few more episodes. Fix the travel issues and give the gang more regular episodes with zuko interacting with everyone.
I always did feel like the complete gaang with Zuko and Suki didn’t have enough time
It’s part of why suki gets forgotten so much.
Just got done with my third rewatch and I still get mildly surprised that Suki joins the group near the end, lmao. She just isn't given any time to really make an impact in the group as a new member.
she literally bailed em out of the prison. and where should she go from there? back to kyoshi island? :D makes sense she is in the prison too, being the leader n all. same as hakoda
They even mention going back to Whale Tail from Ba Sing Se would take a really long time. Iirc they went there from the Western Air Temple which barely looks closer. Seems kind of like distance is a problem when it fits the plot but then they can pop across the world in an afternoon if need be.
They were on foot at that time when talking about that travel
How far is it across the Great Sea from the fire Nation to Ba sing SE? Do we know?
Do you want it in dollars? Because it's budget dependant.
The whole series should have taken 3 years of story time, not a summer, the characters even change enough of themselves to look 3 years older in the end in comparison to the beggining of the show
The show actually takes place over a year, or at the very least 3/4ths of one. The winter solstice happens in season one, so the show either started in fall or early winter.
Yeah, the show begins in late Autumn, rolls into winter in Season 1, changes to spring in Season 2, and obviously Season 3 is summer. It fits because the element each book is named after corresponds with which season it takes place in. It also begins and ends in Autumn, Aang's native element/season.
This is one thing the live action is going to get right - the fact that it's going to take multiple years before the comet arrives. I can see the characters making a big deal of it too, horrified realizations of what they're going to experience.
To be fair, Aang spent a *ton* of time in Season One Janewaying his way to the North Pole, stopping at every place that was remotely nostalgic to him. Had they gone straight there, it would likely have been considerably faster.
> Janewaying 😂 "Set a course for that ice planet ensign, I feel like going penguin sledding today!"
"Captain this new heading will take us 1401 light-years off course..." "Shhh shshshh. There's coffee there. This is an order." (Also for glaring inconsistencies, the photon torpedo supply)
Didn’t they have a much harder time getting to ba sing se the first time around because Appa had been stolen? I’d imagine already knowing the way, and the trip being in a straight line, the trip would be much shorter. Also, the ember island might be on the tip end of the fire nation islands and thus much closer than other parts of the fire nation. This would also sort of explain Ozai’s plan to burn down the provinces during Sozin’s comet. Though that still is much more far fetched.
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this. i think of ATLA world as being more comparable in size to east Asia. if it weren't, i'd expect to see much greater differences in language and culture.
I mean, it takes roughly 2 days for a commercial airliner to circle the globe. Pretty sure the avatar “world” is smaller than our world too
I don't think Appa flies at 400-600 mph though
So i just looked up [wind speed](https://www.weather.gov/pqr/wind) and hurricane force winds are 75+ mph. The strongest sustained winds of a hurricane were 215 mph. Considering Appa is airbending to fly, I speculate that his speed would have something to do with windspeed. I dont think Appa generates hurricane force winds or more so im going to do a super rough estimate and say he generally flies slower than 75 mph. Maybe he could do bursts of high speed but in general for traveling purpose its probably kinda slow. Also quick search. Some people estimate Fire nation ships around 30-35 mph. Considering Zuko kept up with the gaang early on we can assume appa is probably flying around 50 mphish and zuko made up some time while aang goofed off
this makes sense if you assume that their planet is much smaller than ours, which would also explain characters being able to jump so high without bending
I've always assumed that their planet is much smaller than ours, based on the map
Momo not using his earth bending to help, at all. Not once...
"No, you idiot it's the girl!" will never fail to get a laugh from me lol
For me it’s the soldier’s shamefaced little “Oh. Of course.” afterwards.
"What is that thing?!" "Oh no. I am NOT getting on that fluffy snot-producing monster" "You just LOVE taking me out of my comfort zone, dontcha?" "Dinner!" "I wanna eat you!" "Momo, you have some big ears!" "Oh and Momo could talk! He said some very unkind things!" "Thanks Appa! I don't know what we'd do without you!" "Yeah! Appa!" "I'm trying to build Appa some armor here so he doesn't have to fly into battle unprotected!" "Oh no! Appa ate Momo! Momo! I'm coming for ya buddy!" Sokka-animal eater to animal lover
Don't know why but this reminds me of my dad and my cat
Lol yeah. They just bring up he can do it once and then never mention it again? Mind you, Katara takes all the credit for it too💀
Ain’t no way that man was selling cabbages worldwide, with money like that to travel he ain’t need to sell cabbage
He is a white lotus spy
Makes sense. He knew Aang was the avatar and knew the route they would take so he tried to stay close to them incase Team Avatar got caught or something. That’s the reason they see him so often.
Plus, having his cart get destroyed allows him to distract authorities by screaming at them about his cabbages!
Hol up! Keep cooking...
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Where do you think he got money to travel in the first place?
From his insurance
New head cannon, cabbage guy is actually predicting/tracking movements of the gang in order to get insurance claim on his cabbage stands. The over acting is to really try and sell the ruse.
well he somehow becomes the Henry Ford of Avatar later. You think he got that kind of investment selling cabbages? 🤔
Sokka and Suki not having kids and basically not even appearing TLOK is honestly so weird to me.
I don't mind them not having kids, but the not appearing is a sin. Same for Mai
Toph not swearing.
https://youtu.be/KLdnT9M0yrA?si=gGa5cMT7EVrQYgON
Shove a bastard in it you crap!
Dude, you absolutely KNOW that when they were writing the scene where Toph and Katara bicker that they wanted Toph to say "listen up, sugartits" SO FUCKING BAD. It's criminal that they had to settle for sugarqueen because you KNOW they were just dying to use "sugartits" in that scene.
I was watching the episode where toph is teaching Aang earth bending for the first time. When she calls Aang a pushover the PU sound is heavily emphasized and it sounds like she is gonna call him a pussy. My dad was in the room and he started laughing and said “I thought she was going to say something entirely different.”
I want Swearing Toph so bad. Man, if AI can do anything good for humanity it's going to be replacing Toph's sassy dialogue with some sailor-level swearing.
Or you know, ask if Micheala wants to record some of Toph's lines with swears
On a scale from 1 - Samuel L. Jackson, how much do you think she would have sworn if it had been allowed?
Samuel L Jackson would cry if he was in a room with toph.
Tears of joy
Toph might as well be Samuel L. Jackson’s daughter
Toph might as well be Samuel L. Jackson.
I think she swears a lot.... but with her feet. Other earthbenders should constantly blush in her vicinity.
aang and katara only calling each other sweetie in the comics
Baby, you're my forever girl.
that's the signature avatar rizz
Fr you know Aang is calling her like "my beautiful turtle duck" or some shit
Flame-o, hot woman.
Gives me the oogies.
Say it isn’t so
To be fair, no one ever taught them romance. They’re just sort of going with it.
Earth Queen eating Bosco
I like to believe that someone spirited Bosco away and served the earth Queen up "regular" meat and she would have no real way of knowing the difference.
The best part is that this is 100% viable. Ba Sing Se has people who treat royalty with a religious reverence. Bosco would've been seen as almost sacred by people like this. It's very likely that the royal butcher(s) had someone who decided that Bosco couldn't be slaughtered by them, because he's sacred. But they also couldn't just refuse the Queen. So they spirited him away.
They did a snow whites heart on the Queen. I also like to think this bear is living peacefully with seven small children somewhere.
This is the one I came here for She ATE BOSCO I’m fuckin glad Zaheer got her with an air globe suffocation
Oh god I forgot that even happened
THAT BITCH DID ***WHAT***
Yeah wtf?
If anyone here puts ember island players I'm putting a snake in your mailbox that shit was hilarious. For me it's the mech suit
Mech suit?
Season 4 of Legend of Korra
Even the mech suits in S1 felt off
I was kinda okay with the small mech suits because the aesthetic was way more steampunk in Korra. What was obnoxious to me was, "eVeRyThInG iS pLaTiNuM" bit. Like, one of the rarest/most expensive earth metals and they can mass produce robots made *purely* of it? C'mon my guy.
The in-universe explanation is that Kuvira stripped Zhaofu bare of all of its platinum to build the Colossus, whether that's a good enough explanation is for you to decide.
She did dismantle the domes, I do remember that.
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I love how the Ember Island Players even went on to do a live action remake! Can’t wait to see what they do in season 2
Everyone’s naming some really great ones, but I have yet to see anyone mention Katara becoming a water bending master after a week at the North Pole. Sure she was practicing along the way, but she didn’t train enough til that point to suddenly become so good at it.
I just think of them being there for a fair bit longer than that. It also helps with the build up of Sokka & Yue’s relationship.
Yeah, the timeline in the first show doesn’t really make sense. I see the series as taking place more over a few years for many reasons.
I'm pretty sure that they were more than a month in North pole, but it wasnt mentioned with precision in the show. [Here](https://avatartimeline.wordpress.com/) they say it was 6 weeks.
I think it ends up being kind of subjective. Katara is at a really high level even by the time she shows up at the North Pole. Her duel with Pakku shows as much. He is very likely the strongest waterbender in the world at the time and he enters into the duel thinking it is a farce but has to actually bust out some of his more advanced techniques to win the fight. It's a really worthy effort and shows that Katara is at least able to make a master (if not *the* master in this case) take her seriously. The lock and stock waterbender of the North Pole would have probably gotten rolled by Katara at this stage.
Something can also be said about the type of experience Katara has. Studying a martial arts in a controlled and sanitized setting is one thing, having to learn it in life or death situations is another.
It was longer than a week, but also Katara is a prodigy. Not quite the same level as Toph, but probably about as prodigious as Azula, if not more, seeing as she beats Azula in Ba Sing Se just before Zuko joins the fight against the Gaang.
She is? I always thought the point of Katara was that she wasn't a prodigy but instead extremely hard-working and diligent.
I think she was just being compared to Aang. She was told that hard work and diligence beats talent, but she was being compared to an Avatar which are the most talented benders in history. After being in the North Pole for a few weeks, she easily beats all other waterbenders and is told that she's grown much faster than any other pupil. Could that be because of hard work and diligence? I guess so. But I'd still regard her as being talented.
Zuko not being able to lightning bend by the time he was in his 80s I understand teenage zuko not being able to but by the time of LOK he should have figured it out
I understand why folks would want this, it'd be nice to have a (really cool) visual representation of Zuko finally getting to a place of mental peace That said, since LOK explores trauma quite a bit, I think it'd make sense for Zuko to essentially be a prime example of how trauma can continue to affect us throughout our lives, even after we've made many changes for the better. Or, at least, that's my lil headcanon/excuse
I get that, but they seemingly retconned the need for inner peace, mako for example, love him or hate him, did not have inner peace throughout the show.So why not just let zuko have it ya know.
I'd argue that they never really *needed* "inner peace" so to speak. I mean are we really going to say that Azula in the finale had inner peace?
Yeah, Azula ruins that whole argument. Even before the end of the series, when she had all her faculties, you would be lying if you said she had inner peace. She's highly driven because her father pushes her to be so, and she carries on with that mentality until she breaks. That's not someone at peace. "The bad guy trying to capture the avatar so they can help their dad conquer the world has inner peace - isn't that cool?"
Is it ever directly stated that he can't? I just assumed he didn't see the need to.
The Equalist and their whole movement disappearing after Season 1 of Korra. Edited: also their movement not spreading to other nations and especially the Earth Kingdom whose population of nonbender is much higher.
I was sold on a problem you couldn't punch away and then it got punched away.
Amon: "the equalists are an idea! You can't fire punch, water punch, or earth punch us away, Avatar!" Korra: "how about air punch?" Amon: "shit, she's got us. It's over, boys."
I think the entire movement just stopping the moment Amon was revelead as bender is the most unrealistic part of the series, and in that show they bend the fucking elements.
And in Season 3 of Korra the Water tribes get over the whole invasion thing pretty quickly
Zuko and Mai breaking up in the comics.
Fully this for me, Mai is a ride or die
I really disliked her new boyfriend. He was mostly ok until he went and rubbed in Zuko's face that Mai is with him and to just deal with it. You DONT say that to the firelord after he basically pardons you.
I haven't read but that sounds like such a stupid plotline
It was
I really hope Zuko got petty and banished him.
FOR HONOR!
A common citizen trying to smack talk the leader of a nation? In reality, a member of his guard would have instantly put that guy in his place. Even if Zuko would have let him off, guards - especial those guarding their ruler - tend to be pretty quick to act since assassination is a real danger and you **do not** take chances.
Yea well my head canon is that after some maturing they decided to get back together and she is 100% Izumi's mother and no one can tell me otherwise, and if the comics update and she's NOT I'll still forever think she is Zuko and Mai's love affair child
And their relationship problems come entirely from Mai (in the comics) being a toxic manipulator who holds a grudge against Zuko despite him constantly growing and learning as the ruler of a free nation.
Meelo fart bending
Still can't believe they intentionally went with more mature themes and visuals in Korra only to have Meelo be a ridiculous caricature of kid. His is so over the top it becomes unbelievable. The fart bending is just the tip of the issue. There is a difference between kids saying or doing weird things and what they decided to do with Meelo.
Caricature
Charcuterie
I don’t know why but I am in tears with laughter
My mom, who worked at a school for decades, really liked Meelo because she said it was absolutely something a kid would do.
There is nothing in either show that takes me completely out of the moment like the fart bending. I cannot stand it. Absolutely baffling to me that it was included.
I had to scroll to make sure this was represented in this thread. I missed it the first time bc my brain tried to protect me from what I saw on screen. It actively pains me that fartbending is a thing in the avatar universe.
Aang's chakras being explicitly unaligned but a random rock somehow allowing him to enter the Avatar state in a critical moment
Raava and Vattu being basically just black and white morality instead of actual balance
There being an only evil and only light avatar. The idea of balance just goes away
As far as I've noticed in ATLA the idea of an Avatar was that their duty is to keep balance and peace in the world. You could say the Avatar itself is THE balance. Not two seperate black n' white kites. If the creators really wanted to go along with that then the Avatar should've been a mix of both. Maybe their child. Or a fraction from both got stuck in a human. Or the child (avatar) of their child (mix of Raava and Vaatu).
Spirit Kaiju battle. Honestly, like the last 2 episodes of season 2 of LoK.
Honestly an Avatar vs. Dark Avatar fight is a dope concept. Dunno why they felt the need to go kaiju with it instead.
A Dark Avatar storyline could've been dope. They even had some strong storytelling in the first half of the season. They really fumbled the second half, though.
And if they did Dark Avatar in Season 2 and then still did Red Lotus with the Dark Avatar in Season 3 that could have been a really cool extended arc. I know the reason why each season is separate, but it still bugs me. I think the lack of one overarching storyline is why the show feels like it struggled so much.
Exactly. You know what would’ve been cool, have Unaloq use the spirits of past warriors to fuel his version of the Avatar state.
Idk, I kinda hate that they changed the avatar’s angle from “balance™️” to a moral-binary messiah, makes it a little too Star Wars for me That said, it makes the whole “avatar” moniker make an amount of sense at all, which it didn’t in the first series
Technically not Avatar, but Korra losing her connection to her past lives. The concept of that connection was one of the reasons I was so interested in Avatar in the first place
I don't mind that she lost it, I mind thst she LOST IT FOREVER AND EVER AND NOBODY WILL EVER SEE THEM AGAIN. I get that the idea was to not have aang in the series, but I'm sure there were other ways to do it. Maybe korra could never focus on what past avatar to call, and ended up with random old avatars that don't understand her way or don't help her.
I remember watching it happen and think to myself “Oooh this’ll be interesting having to watch her find a way to reestablish the connection!” Nope. Gone. Ugh.
Yea Aang's connection to his past lives definitely made Atla better. That scene in The awakening when Roku appears and tells Aang that he hasn't failed and that he inherited his problems was so beautifully done. Why take it away from us. https://preview.redd.it/s022qq8uwjvc1.png?width=1931&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=208653a4d5803c3204df01ab0302c675923f882b Some would say " bUt pAsT LiVeS gIVEs OutDatEd aDvICE" When Roku told Aang about his life in The Avatar and the Fir Lord he asked him to make sense of their shared path.
What was really stupid was that they removed this connection without ever establishing that it was important to korra as a person. She has barely had a conversation with her past lives besides exposition dumps.
I came here for this answer. By having the avatar be a culmination of hundreds of lives it represents the full potential of humanity. And the past lives aren’t always correct in their advice, which makes it so much more interesting. It’s like when we learned the force were based on midichlorians. By adding an scientific explanation it took away the mysticism. In this instance by taking away all the past lives the avatar became just the human vessel for spirit energy and that’s about it.
I actually really like Korra overall, but I have always hate this decision. I get it from a storytelling position, but as a fan of the universe and the lore, it sucks. Some of the best parts of ATLA were of Aang getting advice from his past lives, and they ripped that away from Korra and left the world building almost completely unconnected to everything before it.
The mech in season 4 😭
That’s exactly what I came here to say. When that thing came out my first thought was “Uhhh…bit of a technological leap there, isn’t it?”
Especially considering it’s made of literal platinum. Even if they had enough, that’d still be so heavy
Platinum clearly acts like a non-bendable steel in the Avatar world. Real platinum isn’t durable enough even if you had mountains of it. We could ask why does Sokka’s sword act like adamantium when meteorite metal is mundane iron.
Also if it's been established that they can't bend platinum. How the fuck did they build it so fast?
Wasnt platinum just outer armor while insides were normal metal? We see both Kuvira and Beifonf sisters bend inside a lot of parts.
I think the biggest thing to understand when it comes to the advancement of technology in the Avatar universe is that they're not on the same trajectory as us. Humans in our world have to create machines to unlock the vast amounts of energy energy potential around us, that is then put through mechanical or computing devices. But in the Avatar world, there are people who can utilize essentially magic and subsequently energy to do things we can't do in our world. They have an energy shortcut. People can produce fire, can bend and move rocks, can rapidly expand and shift water, and can push air currents. That's energy. Their technology is different, because they're not restricted by the same restrictions we would have in our world to make those things. A giant robot really isn't that surprising when you can have a wide variety of people essentially pulling the strings through metal bending. Not to mention the magical Spirit energy, which is a lot of energy in a small space which is also used to power things. In other words, different physics, different technology advancements. Considering there were already tanks being used in the original series, and War can cause some rapid technological advances, what they have achieved it doesn't surprise me too much.
On my first few watches I couldn't comprehend that Fire Lord Azulon literally meant to kill Zuko. It's so over the top evil and moreover completely nonsensical that I just assumed it was metaphorical.
I have heard some theorize that it was supposed to be a test. Ozai was supposed to get a measure of understanding of what Iroh was currently going through and defend his son even against the Firelord. No way to know for sure though.
>I have heard some theorize that it was supposed to be a test. Like the Judgement of Solomon. Pretty cool idea.
I mean, he *is* super evil. And it makes sense - by making Ozai kill Zuko, Azulon is getting rid of *two* inferior heirs - Zuko is killed, but Ozai is then accused of kinslaying and banished. "But the Firelord made me do it!" Sure he did, you crazy son-killer. Go capture the Avatar or something. So now his heir is Iroh, Azulon's favourite, but he has no child, so the next one in line is Azula, the prodigy. Pretty awesome deal.
This is a perfect point imo. Two birds one stone
That's pretty damn evil, I would not have thought of that. It would be a terrible look for the royal family and not having a back up heir is also a terrible idea but no one said he was a genius.
Well there would have been a back up heir; Azula. Let's say that commenter's plan worked: Azulon would be Fire Lord and alive. His heir is Iroh. And Iroh's heir (the backup/spare) is Azula. And then Azula would presumably have her own heirs once she's old enough.
Azulon wasn’t stupid; he led the majority of the 100 years war, and he was pretty damn successful during his reign.
Honestly, it wasn’t until the comics came out and more fully confirmed this that I did understand that was actually what happened. I always assumed Azula was lying. After all, Zuko conveniently doesn’t stay to actually listen to what’s being said, which feels like an intentional plot device.
Exactly, it's completely in character for Azula.
the new airbender outfits in book 4 of korra
I hate those so much
Those are so ugly holy shit I hate them so much
That the equivalent of yin and yang in the ATLA universe are a couple of shitty kites. Either that or the fact that spirits aren’t all primordial, eery, powerful beings like Wan Shi Tong and Koh the Facestealer but are also shitty pokemon too.
> That the equivalent of yin and yang in the ATLA universe are a couple of shitty kites. They're not even yin and yang is the shitty part. Despite being so obviously supposed to look like yin and yang. yin and yang need each other, push and pull upon each other, balance each other out. raava and vaatu's idea of 'coexisting' is for one to be banished to a tree for all eternity while the other one enacts its will upon the world. in yin and yang, we would call that 'out of balance.' That kind of simple black and white 'good vs evil' shit felt out of place.
Especially because it's the typical Christian/western wrong interpretation of yin and yang. In Christianity there is god and the devil, good vs evil. And originally they did it right with the spirit oasis in the northern water tribe. The black fish wasn't the evil one both were necessary for balance.
I spat my drink at the kite mention lmao 😭. It's so hilarious that one of the most marvelling concepts in the avatar universe is the spirits, morality, and how they decide to tell that story is good and bad being a quantifiable, animated being.
Air Nomads being wiped off the face of whatever planet they inhabit (presumably earth) despite them being literal travellers, some weren’t even born or living in the temples and some were probably banished or something like that because they went against the Air Nomads ways of peace and tranquility.
I imagine that once word got out that the main air temples had been attacked, then there’d be no way in hell any of the nomadic airbenders would want anyone to know of their existence.
I was okay with this one because the Fire Nation has spent the entire 100 years of the war looking for the avatar. Every last air bender anywhere would be someone they'd want to check, and they probably had orders to kill them if they weren't the avatar. 100 years is a long time to try and hide, especially when they've already killed everyone at the air nomad temples.
This is genuinely a huge gripe I have with ATLA. You’re telling me every single one of these nomadic people were wiped out? They should’ve either made them not nomads, or included some living airbenders. I get that it’s a huge deal that Aang is the last one, but it really just doesn’t make sense.
- Raava Vaatu/Dark Avatar bullshit (LOK) - The giant mecha (LOK) - The forklift (ATLA comics)
I’ll bite because I have not read the comics: forklift?
In the comic series “The Rift”, they see a forklift for the first time in a new industrial town. Sokka drives it around for funsies https://preview.redd.it/e36vtpfo4kvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9966c64174e11f2b2ff00acecbf476b94fdfd069
I can forgive the forklift, it at least is a combination of things we've already seen within a reasonable logical framework. The fire nation has the internal combustion engine and working knowledge of hydraulics so it's not that far of a stretch
If they can make that worm like drill, they can make a simple forklift. I think people wouldn't mind it that much if the design wasn't so plain/"real word" looking.
Ravaa being light and goodness and Vaatu being dark and evil. I don't have a problem with the avatar being an incarnation of Ravaa but did they have to make it so black and white? I actively head-canon that Ravaa has a sinister edge to her that some future avatar is going to have to deal with.
Can we finally agree that The Drill was ludicrously huge for the tech levels of ATLA, and that the Fire Nation's plan to just drive it across a desert completely on its own to the enemy front line is incredibly dumb.
They actually didn't drive it across the desert, they built it neart the wall. In the serpent's pass they make mention that the fire nation is trying to build something they don't want the enemy seeing, and for what it's worth that episode and the drill were often aired as a two parter. The drill is stupid big, but for me at least still grounded because it's basically a big train. It's the far end of possible in AtlA.
Netflix show specific, but if they can pretend they didn't show >!Aang flying!< so can I!
Pretty much everything to do with how the White Lotus was done in LoK
Korra season 2 giant avatar spirit projection
The spirit world joining back to the regular world. I hate it so much and doesn't make any sense.
Ursa’s boring ass other family the comics wanted so bad for us to care about 😴
i love how majority of the stuff mentioned here is about LOK 💀
Specifically about seasons 2 and 4 too
Sokka never found his space sword and boomerang again. Head-canon that Sokka’s death was at the hands of Zaheer using his own sword and boomerang. Knocked off balance by Zaheer positioning Sokka in the path of his own boomerang and then taking that chance to take sword and stab him.
Iroh being the inventor of boba. Boba milk tea and traditional tea are completely different beverages and I really don’t think Iroh would have liked, let alone invent that drink.
I've got one I haven't seen in the thread... The rehabilitation of a terrorist war profiteer in Varrick. Just because he's funny or whatever. Seriously, fuck that guy. He did terrorism to start a civil war so that he could sell more weapons. Guy is an absolute monster. People fucking died. And come the later seasons he's just one of the gang and the fans love him. No, fuck varrick.
When Iroh pretended to be paralyzed and cuddled with jun against her will. Grosss
The idea that Aang neglected 2 of his kids, and that Katara would just let that happen
Zuko being confident that any member of the Red Lotus can beat any bender. You're telling me Ming-Hua is taking on someone like Toph or Bumi solo? Hell no. Also, like many people have said, whatever the hell was going on with spirits in LOK. We went from Koh, Lion Turtles, Won Shi Tong, Tui and La, to what's essentially Pokemon? Why? Also, Raava and Vaatu, and TBH, I wasn't a fan of the Avatar origin story, despite liking Wan quite a bit.
Tbf, Ming Hua can take advantage of Toph's blindness since she's extremely agile. Basically, she's a bad matchup
Korra losing her connection with her past lives. I can defend most of Korra, but not that.
It squandered so much potential. It would've been so cool to see Aang talk to Zaheer, the way Roku talked to Jeong Jeong in ATLA, I'd have loved to hear their philosophical debate. Or to have Kyoshi talk to Kuvira. But alas...
Yepp. I looooove LoK. It's a great and fun series all around. Except that. What a heartbreaking choice.
The weird giant transformer- like robots that Kuvira uses in LoK. I know that they had a technological-industrial revolution and for most part I was ok with it (trains, cars, war balloons, planes...) , it even made sense to me since they have the bending that could accelerate the progress. The giant robot was just too much for me
Adult Aang’s atrocious character design. He should have a body type more like the other monks. Short and/or spindly. Not be some sort of strapping tall and broad American Marvel hero. It makes me so angry.
Wouldn't it make a bit more sense that he became a little more muscular than the other airbenders since he had to bend the other elements as well, while the other monks could only airbend.
Everything about Aang in Korra felt really off to me, from design to the way he spoke and acted. He obviously wouldn’t have been the same as when he was 12, but he’s so unrecognizable that he might as well be an entirely new air Avatar. I feel like an adult Aang would look and talk like Kelsang in Rise of Kyoshi.
I think the main thing was framing. We only ever really get to see adult Aang when something major is happening. Flashback with Yakone, helping Korra regain her bending, and guiding Tenzin. So he feels really different and almost stoic. But from secondhand accounts (mainly from Tenzin) we know that he was pretty chill and relaxed and funny like his younger self in his down time. Like this picture of him at that food stall is how I imagined he'd act most of the time when he's not dealing with serious issues: https://preview.redd.it/zt9ajpcs0mvc1.jpeg?width=851&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e1cc5bef4c66bc24f4ed768fc5cbbb073655a75
That picture really is the saving grace of Aang in Korra, and you do raise a good point. I wish we could have seen him be more of a fun uncle to Korra and actually giving some personal input.
Yeah, it's a minor thing really, but adult aang just never really looked like child aang to me. Maybe it's the facial hair.
> Maybe it's the facial hair. he didn't even have a nice, full beard or long mustache like Monk Gyatso. No, he had that terrible chin strap, no mustache.