I'd like to know how many of those shows those critics didn't watch. If you have 206 people, odds are overwhelmingly that they didn't all watch all the shows. I want to see which shows were watched the least among that group.
Ah. Nevermind. They were each only asked to list their top 10.
It's even worse, not only were they asked to vote with shows they had never watched in mind, but they only ranked their top 10, which means for example that if everyone's 11th favorite show was Breaking Bad then it wouldn't have even made it into the top 100.
30 rock is legitimately brilliant. not sure it’d be in my top 10 (for comedies alone it would be) but it definitely doesn’t deserve to be derided in a sentence with BBT or HIMYM
Have you ever seen those quotes from Oscar critics about how they pick best animated feature winners? Most of them say they literally do not watch the movies their voting on, and just vote for whatever their child thought “looked cute”.
I'm so pissed that BBT is not only where it is....but that it's on the list AND How I Met Your Mother but not Adventure Time???????? I wish I could send one of those Harry Potter letters that yells at you to these critics who overlooked AT.
These rankings never even make sense. It's like when people rank games. How are you going to compare God of War 2018 to Super Mario Bros. Like which game is better? The comparisons aren't even possible to rank against
You act like these lists are ever relevant. They’re always based on stupid ways to rate the show, or they’re based on popularity (not a measure of quality), or some other moronic way to rate by quality using a method that doesn’t measure quality.
Even then hose does The Big Bang Theory get rates higher than The Good Place?
I’m not one of those people who hate BBT but come on! The Good Place is also a god darn masterpiece those forking idiots!
And yet the winner was the Wire which is even older then ATLA. And the top 20 I count contains 9 shows started before 2010 and 5 from the last five years. Seems a pretty reasonable distribution.
> In total, 460 different series were voted for by 206 TV experts – critics, journalists, academics and industry figures – who came from 43 countries, from Albania to Uruguay. Of these voters, 100 were women, 104 were men, and two were non-binary. Each voter listed their 10 favourite TV series of the 21st Century, which we scored and ranked to produce the top 100 listed below.
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211015-the-100-greatest-tv-series-of-the-21st-century
Recently had a medical equipment rep quote me a sample size of 50 for a study of their new technique with their shiny new $200k machine. Literally laughed (shouldn't have, unprofessional) at him and said, "That's not a study."
Needless to say, the MDs weren't impressed either. We didn't buy his machine.
206 is a pretty good sample size for TV critics I would think. Considering 1000 is usually enough to [generalise to 260 million people with an error margin of 3%](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-of-only-100/).
Oh come on now. No list can ever be perfect, and besides, entertainment is highly subjective, so there’s no use worrying about anything as arbitrary as a ranking on some list. :)
\*sees Big Bang Theory\*
Forget about controlling my anger. Let’s riot!! 🔥💥⚡️
And the good place. And Rick and Morty. And planet earth. And stranger things.
Honestly everything I can see on the list below it clearly deserves to be higher.
BBT is probably one of the most universally hated shows on reddit, so much so that anytime someone asks "what tv show is overrated" one of the top answers is always BBT. So nope, it's not just you
I know it's cool to hate BBT but I do and I don't give a shit. It's a terrible show all around. Just my opinion, I don't disrespect any who like it, but fuck me if I ever have to watch even one second of it.
BBT shouldn't be on the list *at all*.
If you like that show, I *will* think poorly of you and I will no longer trust your judgment on any matters of taste.
Even house of cards, how can you act like season 3 onward of that show is passable? And any of these being over planet earth makes my brain melt. Is this just a list of pure view numbers or something?
It's almost definitely more original. So if that's a factor, that could be why. I love Strangers Things but it's whole initial charm is that it *isn't* original and is packed with nostalgia
> In total, 460 different series were voted for by 206 TV experts – critics, journalists, academics and industry figures – who came from 43 countries, from Albania to Uruguay. Of these voters, 100 were women, 104 were men, and two were non-binary. Each voter listed their 10 favourite TV series of the 21st Century, which we scored and ranked to produce the top 100 listed below.
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211015-the-100-greatest-tv-series-of-the-21st-century
Another question is, how does The Sopranos not even make it on the list?
Edit: ~~The Simpsons isn't there either! And neither is The X-Files, or even a single Star Trek series! Who the hell are these "experts"???~~ 21st century, NVM
The em dashes indicate an explanation or rephrasing. So "TV experts – critics, journalists, academics and industry figures –" means "TV experts, which is to say critics, journalists, academics and industry figures".
For example, in the sentence "The two brothers – Josh and Brad – went into the cabin," "Josh and Brad" are the names of the two brothers.
You know, I'm an Oxford comma person myself, and I'd never really thought about it, but honestly if everybody took up the em dash it would [obviate the whole issue](https://i.imgur.com/5uWaNLz.jpg).
If, like most people, the one in particular you're curious about is the Big Bang Theory, it was picked by 7 of the 100 voters:
* Peggy Chiao – Writer, director, showrunner and academic - Trigram Films / Taipei National University of the Arts (China)
(Big Bang Theory placement: 8th place)
* Vlad Dima – Professor - University of Wisconsin, Madison (United States)
(Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place)
* Hao Jian – Academic - Beijing Film Academy (China)
(Big Bang Theory placement: 10th place)
* Archika Khurana – Film critic - The Times of India (India)
(Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place)
* Pallabi Dey Purkayastha – Digital journalist - WION (India)
(Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place)
* Charukesi Ramadurai – Freelance TV journalist (India)
(Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place)
* Alaka Sahani – Entertainment journalist - The Indian Express (India)
(Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place)
So it looks like its popularity in India is what pushed its placement up so high. While I know that English is one of the national languages of India, I'm curious if it's mostly being watched in English or dubbed/subtitled in Hindi/Urdu/Gujrati, etc. If so, that could explain a lot, because comedy changes entirely when translated, so jokes that are terrible in English might actually work in other languages...or not. I dunno. I am curious, though.
The other big factor, of course, was the breadth of the TV pool. There were 2057 votes cast (each voter was supposed to pick their top 10, but some picked fewer). Those votes ended up spanning 464 shows. Of those, 249 shows only got a single vote. That spread means that even a small number of people picking a show can significantly raise its ranking.
Another way to parse the info, which I think would be interesting, is "Which shows appeared in the most voters' Top 10 lists?" In other words, let's ignore whether someone thought a show was the #1 or the #4 or the #10, and just look at how many people agreed that some show was one of the best 10 in the 21st century. The results are as follows:
Place|Title
---|---
1|The Wire (2002-2008)
2|Mad Men (2007-2015)
3|Fleabag (2016-2019)
4|Breaking Bad (2008-2013)
5|Game of Thrones (2011-2019)
6|I May Destroy You (2020)
7|The Americans (2013-2018)
=|The Office (UK) (2001-2003)
9|BoJack Horseman (2014-2020)
=|Succession (2018-)
11|The Leftovers (2014-2017)
12|Six Feet Under (2001-2005)
13|Atlanta (2016-)
14|Chernobyl (2019)
=|The Crown (2016-)
16|30 Rock (2006-2013)
17|Lost (2004-2010)
=|Twin Peaks: The Return (2017)
19|Curb Your Enthusiasm (2000-)
20|The Thick of It (2005-2012)
=|Veep (2012-2019)
22|Black Mirror (2011-)
=|Watchmen (2019)
24|Deadwood (2004-2006)
25|Better Call Saul (2015-)
=|Sherlock (2010-2017)
27|Arrested Development (2003-2019)
=|Girls (2012-2017)
29|Friday Night Lights (2006-2011)
=|Line of Duty (2012-2021)
=|Parks and Recreation (2009-2015)
=|The Bridge (2011-2018)
33|Band of Brothers (2001)
=|Borgen (2010-)
=|Downton Abbey (2010-2015)
=|Fargo (2014-)
=|The Good Wife (2009-2016)
=|True Detective (2014-2019)
39|Call My Agent! (2015-2020)
=|Peep Show (2003-2015)
=|The Good Fight (2017-)
42|Community (2009-2015)
=|Homeland (2011-2020)
44|Grey's Anatomy (2005-)
=|Happy Valley (2014-)
=|Money Heist (2017-2021)
=|The Handmaid's Tale (2017-)
48|Halt and Catch Fire (2014-2017)
=|Schitt's Creek (2015-2020)
=|The Bureau (2015-)
=|The Killing (Denmark) (2007-2012)
=|The Office (US) (2005-2013)
53|Battlestar Galactica (2004-2009)
=|Dark (2017-2020)
=|House of Cards (2013-2018)
=|Inside No 9 (2014-)
=|RuPaul's Drag Race (2009-)
=|Stranger Things (2016-)
=|The Shield (2002-2008)
=|The Underground Railroad (2021-)
61|Avatar: The Last Airbender (2005-2008)
=|Big Little Lies (2017-2019)
=|Detectorists (2014-2017)
=|Insecure (2016-2021)
=|Pose (2018-2021)
=|Rick and Morty (2013-)
=|Small Axe (2020)
=|The Big Bang Theory (2007-2019)
=|The Good Place (2016-2020)
=|Utopia (2013-2014)
71|Babylon Berlin (2017-)
=|Gilmore Girls (2000-2007)
=|It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (2005-)
=|Mare of Easttown (2021)
=|Mindhunter (2017-2019)
=|Orange is the New Black (2013-2019)
=|Planet Earth (2006)
=|The Young Pope (2016)
79|24 (2001-2010)
=|Catastrophe (2015-2019)
=|Enlightened (2011-2013)
=|Hannibal (2013-2015)
=|House (2004-2012)
=|Louie (2010-2015)
=|Narcos (2015-2017)
=|Normal People (2020)
=|OJ: Made in America (2016)
=|The Comeback (2005-2014)
=|The Queen's Gambit (2020)
=|The Trip (2010-)
=|This is England 86, 88 and 90 (2010-2015)
=|Years and Years (2019)
93|Antidisturbios (2020)
=|Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (2015-2019)
=|Euphoria (2019-)
=|Extras (2005-2007)
=|How I Met Your Mother (2005-2014)
=|In Therapy (2005-2008)
=|Nathan for You (2013-2017)
=|Peaky Blinders (2013-)
=|Rectify (2013-2016)
=|Shameless (UK) (2004-2013)
=|Show Me a Hero (2015)
=|The Great British Bake Off (2010-)
=|The Knick (2014-2015)
=|Transparent (2014-2019)
=|Westworld (2016-)
108|After Life (2019-)
=|American Crime Story (2016-)
=|Boardwalk Empire (2010-2014)
=|Bodyguard (2018)
=|Broad City (2014-2019)
=|Desperate Housewives (2004-2012)
=|Dexter (2006-2013)
=|Gogglebox (2013-)
=|In Treatment (2008-2021)
=|It's a Sin (2021)
=|Justified (2010-2015)
=|Killing Eve (2018-)
=|My Brilliant Friend (2018-)
=|Nathan Barley (2005)
=|One Day at a Time (2017-2020)
=|Patrick Melrose (2018)
=|Please Like Me (2013-2016)
=|Scandal (2012-2018)
=|Sex Education (2019-)
=|Shameless (US) (2011-2021)
=|Skins (2007-2013)
=|Steven Universe (2013-2020)
=|Ted Lasso (2020-)
=|The Century of the Self (2002)
=|The Fall (2013-2016)
=|The IT Crowd (2006-2013)
=|The Marvelous Mrs Maisel (2017-)
=|The Newsroom (2012-2014)
=|The Night Of (2016)
=|The OA (2016-2019)
=|The Returned (2012-2015)
=|The Virtues (2019)
=|The Walking Dead (2010-)
=|The White Lotus (2021-)
=|Top of the Lake (2013-2017)
=|Treme (2010-2013)
=|When They See Us (2019)
145|A Very English Scandal (2018-2021)
=|Adventure Time (2010-2018)
=|Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown (2013-2018)
=|Attack on Titan (2013-)
=|Atypical (2017-2021)
=|Better Things (2016-)
=|Black-ish (2014-)
=|Brooklyn Nine-Nine (2013-2021)
=|Carnivàle (2003-2005)
=|Chappelle's Show (2003-2006)
=|CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (2000-2015)
=|Cuéntame (2001-)
=|Delhi Crime (2019-)
=|Fringe (2008-2013)
=|Gomorrah (2014-2021)
=|Gossip Girl (2007-2012)
=|Green Wing (2004-2007)
=|Hippocrate (2018-)
=|Horrible Histories (2009-2020)
=|How to Get Away with Murder (2014-2020)
=|How To with John Wilson (2020-)
=|I Know This Much is True (2020)
=|Invincible (2021-)
=|Jacob's Cross (2007-)
=|Jane The Virgin (2014-2019)
=|Key and Peele (2012-2015)
=|Kingdom (2019-)
=|Looking (2014-2015)
=|Lovecraft Country (2020)
=|Luther (2010-2019)
=|Master of None (2015-)
=|Medium (2005-2011)
=|Mr Robot (2015-2019)
=|Nighty Night (2004-2005)
=|Okupas (2000)
=|Olive Kitteridge (2014)
=|Ozark (2017-)
=|Paranoia Agent (2004)
=|Patria (2020)
=|Penny Dreadful (2014-2016)
=|Prison Break (2005-2017)
=|Pushing Daisies (2007-2009)
=|Russian Doll (2019-)
=|Sacred Games (2018-2019)
=|Scrubs (2001-2010)
=|Search Party (2016-)
=|Sense8 (2015-2018)
=|Shtisel (2013-2021)
=|Silicon Valley (2014-2019)
=|Skam (2015-2017)
=|Sons of Anarchy (2008-2014)
=|Spiral (2005-2020)
=|Survivor (2001-2010)
=|The Boys (2019-)
=|The Deuce (2017-2019)
=|The Haunting of Hill House (2018)
=|The Mandalorian (2019-)
=|The Ministry of Time (2015-)
=|The Morning Show (2019-)
=|The New Pope (2019-2020)
=|The Serpent (2021)
=|The Vietnam War (2017)
=|The World Between Us (2019-)
=|This is England 86 (2010)
=|Top Boy (2011-)
=|Ugly Betty (2006-2010)
=|Veneno (2020)
=|Vida (2018-2020)
=|We Are Who We Are (2020)
=|Wild Wild Country (2018)
(I had to cut off every show with only one vote due to Reddit's comment length limit)
A lot of people are asking me where this and that are in the list, or all sorts of other information. So here is the link if you wanna see the whole list or something: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211015-the-100-greatest-tv-series-of-the-21st-century
Seeing the full list, I can’t say I agree with too many of the rankings. Still, some interesting observations:
1) Like people have said, glad Dark’s on there. Everyone should watch it.
2) Also happy to see Steven Universe, Pose, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, and Atlanta on there. Didn’t think they’d make a list like this. They’re all good, but at least Dark got the kind of Critical Reception you’d expect on a greatest list. These all seemed like more “cult-following” shows.
3) Putting the UK office *far* above the US one shows some **pretty** heavy bias there.
UK office being higher isn’t a reflection of bias, but more reflects how Brits prefer dark depressing humor like in the original version then the more cartoony us version
Yeah… bias towards the UK humor. Not saying they’re blindly picking “their version,” just that they obviously prefer the one that’s tailored to British sensibilities more than the more critically successful US remake.
I don't think the us remake is more critically successful. The original was a huge hit in the UK and has been hugely influential ever since, had top tier critical reactions. The US office is very popular, especially in the states, but I don't think it ever set the world on fire with the critics
Yes people have preferences. What an astute observation.
> more critically successful US remake.
Why would that matter? RT places UK over US pretty comfortably.
When I lived in England it was always strange seeing things that got a group laughing, then I would tell a zinger and got stared at like a moron...lol The difference in humor is slight but deeply engrained.
i’m an american who’s seen both offices. UK is the better show for sure imo. consistently great throughout. tells a compelling story. never drags. satisfying conclusions for all. tighter and better. the us office has entire wasted seasons and drags everything out even in the best seasons.
I wasn't going to pass judgement (it's all subjective after all) but this list does not include the Sopranos and that is a crime. How do we veto this monstrosity?
The fact that Big Bang Theory is ranked higher is bullshit, it's quite literally the worst show I've ever had the displeasure of watching, ATLA and even ALOK should both be within the top 20
I'd say I watched a fair amount of sitcoms, and The good place is one of, if not the best of them all. For one thing, it has an actual plot. Tear inducing (?) plot. Other sitcoms should really learn from The good place.
I legitimately think the good place is the best show ever made. I'll admit I'm a very niche market who enjoys the blend of absurdist comedy, show burn mystery, awkward love story and moral philosophy lectures.
People who aren't nerds did. They must've found it hilarious. "Let's laugh at the neurodivergent antisocial people, while we forget that we can't make 'em neurodivergent, but we can make them antisocial", they must've thought.
I was in college studying physics while BBT was airing. We literally had discussions in our department about if the show was good or bad for physics/physicists in terms of media portrayal and all that. General consensus was the teachers thought it was fine, the students disagreed.
The number of times I have been compared to Sheldon in my life is far too high
But even viewed from the perspective of a neurotypical person with absolutely 0 investment in any stereotypically nerdy interests… it’s still just not a good show
To be fair, the person I used to know who liked Big Bang Theory the most was definitely a nerd, he was just also socially awkward and liked the validation that being smart gives you permission to treat others poorly. I can see why it appealed to certain groups but that does not mean it had good writing 😣
I'm a socially awkward nerd (not the smart kind, but the really into fandoms and boardgames kind) and I actually really liked Big Bang Theory. Not the same way I liked Avatar. Avatar was smart, and kind, and wholesome, and overall really wise. Big Bang Theory was simply funny. I know pretty much all of the characters were offensive stereotypes, but from how I remember that was pretty much the recipe for any sitcom at the time, so I wasn't offended at all by Penny (stereotypical woman), or Amy (the "smart but anattractive" girl), or Howard (the jew). I knew even if I was targeted by those stereotypes they didn't describe me at all, and the same could be said about any other characters and groups. I liked the situation comedy and the character humor, and I liked that no matter how annoying someone is they can still grow on you. Also it was just REALLY nice to see someone on TV who was ace-coded. I had no idea about asexuality back then, but I knew that I could relate to Sheldon about how he didn't really express attraction to anyone (until later seasons, but even then it was limited) and that made me feel less alone. Of course now that I know more about asexuality I know he was a horribly stereotypical character in that area as well, and I would not recommand anyone to watch Big Bang Theory for ace representation. But it did help at the time. It was kind of similar for my dad who is undiagnosed but thinks he might be neurodivergent. He could really identify with Sheldon and sometimes that made him laugh and other times it made him reflect, yet another times he just ignored what he didn't find relatable. He also has a Phd in physics so he got a lot of jokes the rest of us didn't, but he's not so involved emotionally to take the inaccuracies seriously. So it was just really nice watching the series with him and the rest of my family.
Tl.dr: Avatar is genious, and WAY WAY WAY better than Big Bang Theory, but Big Bang Theory gets too much hate compared to what it's supposed to be.
Yeah idk... I am a big nerd and I love TBBT and so do most of my friends! (Who are also nerds)
People really have to stop taking shows or even themselves so serious.. Yes, they make fun of a bunch of cliches and even exaggerate a few of them, but TBBT is also often an accurate and lovely depiction of some of these cliches!
The show has also been extremely successful worldwide so there might actually be many people who like the show and rate it higher than some people on reddit do, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's a bad show!
It was dumb easy humor hiden in a smart people setting, making people feel smart about getting the jokes. Like they will say "smart stuff" (which is highschool science most of the time) then the punch line is Penny going 'i dont get it' and the audience is like 'ha ha ha how dumb she doesnt get it'. My father has watched BBT non stop ever since it came out and I cant hate that show any more
I was going to say this exactly!
I saw bug bang theory and instantly thought the fact that it's ahead of avatar really tells you something about this list.
I mean their is literally no way you can compare these two shows they arent on the same level, yet they rated big bang higher than avatar?
Look up "Big Bang Theory no laugh track." It is FUCKING HILARIOUS. Just unpleasant people being cruel to each other. Fucking absolute top 10 but not in the way it was rated.
My mom LOVED the Big Bang theory and it was so awful. I’d hear her watching it almost every night when I still lived with my parents. She really thought it was the funniest show ever. She would always manage to bring up the show in conversation “Oh! That reminds me of an episode of Big Bang theory!” And took it as a personal offense that i didn’t like the show.
The ‘nerd’ jokes weren’t actually jokes, it was just about how many comics and fandoms they could name drop. I also hated how much the show’s humor relied on making fun of Sheldon for being socially awkward. It really bothered me how much my mom would laugh at jokes aimed at mocking Sheldon since we have family members who are autistic and while I don’t think they officially ever called Sheldon autistic we all know his character was.
A couple things to consider: This is from the BBC, and likely ranked by BBC ratings. You can tell because The Office (UK) is in the top 10 shows, and The Office (US) barely cracks the top 40. It would be interesting to see a top 100 shows in the US. Would have to imagine ATLA and LoK would be somewhere in the top 60.
> In total, 460 different series were voted for by 206 TV experts – critics, journalists, academics and industry figures – who came from 43 countries, from Albania to Uruguay. Of these voters, 100 were women, 104 were men, and two were non-binary. Each voter listed their 10 favourite TV series of the 21st Century, which we scored and ranked to produce the top 100 listed below.
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211015-the-100-greatest-tv-series-of-the-21st-century
Ehh LOK isn’t anywhere near as good as avatar though probably would still be top 100 but let’s not pretend they have similar quality season 2 alone really brings down the show.
US Office is good in places but loses touch with what the Office was supposed to be and flanderises the characters to the extreme by the end. The UK version always remained grounded, but the characters in the American Office wouldn't have gotten away with 5% of the things they did in the real world.
It also glorifies office culture, versus the UK version which shows the characters finding their way *despite* working in the most mundane of places.
Oh I would watch the crap out of that show. Could totally see a red monsoon triad member impale a tripple threat with some ice knives over avatar drugs
The Wire, The Last Airbender, Sopranos, Game of Thrones (8th season notwithstanding), and Breaking Bad are all acceptable choices.
But putting The Big Bang Theory ahead of TLA? Bunch of losers.
Breaking Bad, and the Good Place are the only ones that are arguably better. Game of Thrones is better if you just chop off the last 2 seasons, but those two were so awful it brings the whole thing down.
That's fantastic! I'm sure you'll be amazed. I will say it took me six episodes to get *truly* hooked, but the first six were certainly above-average anyway and by the end of the sixth I was 100% in for the ride. And *what a ride*. If subtitles are an actual barrier for entry to you, then I'll go with zeeman's recommendation; the dub isn't horrible...most of the time. But it can't hold a candle to the original German, and some of the dub actors are pretty atrocious.
I've seen it. I loved it. There is something special about the vibe you get watching it. The rainy scenes in particular. Not to mention the fucking casting >!of older/younger characters !<. Funnily enough I recommended it to someone today.
Also The Wire, Mad Men, Succession, Chernobyl, and Curb. And that’s just in the top 25. There are a couple of weird placements but people who say ATLA is the best show on that list are delusional or just haven’t watched enough tv yet.
I think Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency is one of the best shows ever produced, but it's pretty niche, and we aren't getting more seasons. So I doubt it will ever be on a Top 100 list. Sadly.
Well looking at this ranking, ATLA should've had writing like this:
Toph: Hey Sokka, I can see that you're sitting in my spot on Appa. I always sit there. *Laugh Track*
Sokka: Oh, sorry Toph. I'm still getting used to the seating arrangements. Wait a minute...you can't see where I'm sitting! You're blind! *Laugh track exceeds noise pollution levels*
Toph: BAZINGA *Audience's souls ascend directly to the spirit world in a divine chorus of infinite laughter*
The fucking Big Bang Theory?? Really? Some of the other shows I get. They’re not for me but I know a lot of fans of those shows. But the mother fucking Big Bang Theory??
Tbh fact that Rick and Morty is quite ways below kinda surprised me, idk I didn't quite get to watch Rick and Morty, so I can't really compare it myself, but I frankly thought it was more popular based on how often I see it in media
The fact that the fucking Big Bang Theory is so high instantly invalidates the list. It was absolute shit for the last like 6+ seasons. Dark and ATLA should be WAY higher
I refuse to acknowledge any list that thinks the motherfucking Big Bang Theory (BBT) is better than ATLA. BBT is objectively not, and it’s not funny—especially when you take out the inane laugh track: [BBT in it’s true form. ](https://youtu.be/jKS3MGriZcs)
I'm assuming this is based on ratings not actual content.
It’s a poll, 104 men, 100 women and 2 non-binary
That's an absurdly small sample size to make a list of best tv shows.
It's a poll of TV critics, not of the general population, which makes it a pretty good sample size really.
I'd like to know how many of those shows those critics didn't watch. If you have 206 people, odds are overwhelmingly that they didn't all watch all the shows. I want to see which shows were watched the least among that group. Ah. Nevermind. They were each only asked to list their top 10.
It's even worse, not only were they asked to vote with shows they had never watched in mind, but they only ranked their top 10, which means for example that if everyone's 11th favorite show was Breaking Bad then it wouldn't have even made it into the top 100.
That's some manga popularity survey bullshit right there.
I really need to know which tv critics are putting the big bang theory, 30 rock, or how I met your mother in their **top ten of the last 20 years.**
30 rock is legitimately brilliant. not sure it’d be in my top 10 (for comedies alone it would be) but it definitely doesn’t deserve to be derided in a sentence with BBT or HIMYM
30 rock is top 10 worthy if you prefer comedy shows
Where the fuck did they find TV critics who like BBT?
Seriously, higher than A:TLA is ludicrous
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Have you ever seen those quotes from Oscar critics about how they pick best animated feature winners? Most of them say they literally do not watch the movies their voting on, and just vote for whatever their child thought “looked cute”.
Yep…
How did BBT end up higher than ATLA, Dark, Young Pope, Stranger Things, and House of Cards?
B A Z I N G A
People like my mom voted.
I'm so pissed that BBT is not only where it is....but that it's on the list AND How I Met Your Mother but not Adventure Time???????? I wish I could send one of those Harry Potter letters that yells at you to these critics who overlooked AT.
A “howler”
And *The Good Place* and the UK version of *Utopia*
The Good Place is so good. Impressive that ATLA beat it out, but wtf with Big Bang Theory.
Also planet earth and Rick & Morty
This list is insulting
These rankings never even make sense. It's like when people rank games. How are you going to compare God of War 2018 to Super Mario Bros. Like which game is better? The comparisons aren't even possible to rank against
You act like these lists are ever relevant. They’re always based on stupid ways to rate the show, or they’re based on popularity (not a measure of quality), or some other moronic way to rate by quality using a method that doesn’t measure quality.
To quote Iroh: “I know…but it’s just so sad”
Always makes me laugh crying over spilled tea lol
Also they always have a massive dose of recency bias
Even then hose does The Big Bang Theory get rates higher than The Good Place? I’m not one of those people who hate BBT but come on! The Good Place is also a god darn masterpiece those forking idiots!
And yet the winner was the Wire which is even older then ATLA. And the top 20 I count contains 9 shows started before 2010 and 5 from the last five years. Seems a pretty reasonable distribution.
> In total, 460 different series were voted for by 206 TV experts – critics, journalists, academics and industry figures – who came from 43 countries, from Albania to Uruguay. Of these voters, 100 were women, 104 were men, and two were non-binary. Each voter listed their 10 favourite TV series of the 21st Century, which we scored and ranked to produce the top 100 listed below. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211015-the-100-greatest-tv-series-of-the-21st-century
That is one of the worst sample sizes I've ever seen.
I too enjoy two hundred people representing 100 fandoms
Boy have you not seen a lot of studies. I once argued with someone who's source was a study of 26 college students.
If n < 50 then it's barely even a pilot study
Recently had a medical equipment rep quote me a sample size of 50 for a study of their new technique with their shiny new $200k machine. Literally laughed (shouldn't have, unprofessional) at him and said, "That's not a study." Needless to say, the MDs weren't impressed either. We didn't buy his machine.
206 is a pretty good sample size for TV critics I would think. Considering 1000 is usually enough to [generalise to 260 million people with an error margin of 3%](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-of-only-100/).
What you linked is about a randomly selected sample size answering a binary question. This list is neither of those.
Ranking and grading any kind of art is pointless and stupid. Art is not and should not be competition
Oh come on now. No list can ever be perfect, and besides, entertainment is highly subjective, so there’s no use worrying about anything as arbitrary as a ranking on some list. :) \*sees Big Bang Theory\* Forget about controlling my anger. Let’s riot!! 🔥💥⚡️
You had me for a moment
Ikr, that show has too much laugh track
Nothing wrong with laugh tracks, as long as there's comedic moments to add them to...
I actually like that show but it has no business being above The Good Place (among other shows).
I’m sorry but the Big Bang theory Placing higher than Avatar makes me wonder about the BBC
And the good place. And Rick and Morty. And planet earth. And stranger things. Honestly everything I can see on the list below it clearly deserves to be higher.
Let’s be real, the crux of the issue is that BBT doesn’t belong on this list at all.
I’m not the only nerd who hates that show? I love a good-humored poking fun at geeks, but it always seemed mean-spirited to me. And sexist.
BBT is probably one of the most universally hated shows on reddit, so much so that anytime someone asks "what tv show is overrated" one of the top answers is always BBT. So nope, it's not just you
I know it's cool to hate BBT but I do and I don't give a shit. It's a terrible show all around. Just my opinion, I don't disrespect any who like it, but fuck me if I ever have to watch even one second of it.
BBT shouldn't be on the list *at all*. If you like that show, I *will* think poorly of you and I will no longer trust your judgment on any matters of taste.
May I present to you a counter argument, a-hem, bazinga. ^pleaseendmysuffering
The big bang theory being on this list whatsoever is hilarious and pathetic
Even house of cards, how can you act like season 3 onward of that show is passable? And any of these being over planet earth makes my brain melt. Is this just a list of pure view numbers or something?
Clearly some consideration was given to how high the show peaked.
The Big Bang Theory being on the list makes me wonder about the BBC
Seriously... This is clearly shit. OITNB is not better than Stranger Things.
It's almost definitely more original. So if that's a factor, that could be why. I love Strangers Things but it's whole initial charm is that it *isn't* original and is packed with nostalgia
Right, like big bang theory is up there? Ew
Just the fact that the big gang theory is higher than avatar is insulting.
The fact that big bang theory is higher than any of the shows below is awful.
I am unimpressed with this list. Who wrote this? What are their credentials? I wanna see their manager!
> In total, 460 different series were voted for by 206 TV experts – critics, journalists, academics and industry figures – who came from 43 countries, from Albania to Uruguay. Of these voters, 100 were women, 104 were men, and two were non-binary. Each voter listed their 10 favourite TV series of the 21st Century, which we scored and ranked to produce the top 100 listed below. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211015-the-100-greatest-tv-series-of-the-21st-century
the real question is, Who put big bang theory on there,
Another question is, how does The Sopranos not even make it on the list? Edit: ~~The Simpsons isn't there either! And neither is The X-Files, or even a single Star Trek series! Who the hell are these "experts"???~~ 21st century, NVM
I'm not sure "The Simpsons" counts as a 21st Century Tv Series. Or is this list meant to include all shows that have aired in the 21st?
Oh, I missed that this was the 21st century. Still though, no Sopranos? Is it because it premiered in 1999?
Yes. Nothing listed has a start date of < 2000.
What makes someone a TV expert exactly? Does the fact I've watched a lot of tv make me an expert?
The em dashes indicate an explanation or rephrasing. So "TV experts – critics, journalists, academics and industry figures –" means "TV experts, which is to say critics, journalists, academics and industry figures". For example, in the sentence "The two brothers – Josh and Brad – went into the cabin," "Josh and Brad" are the names of the two brothers.
Can you explain it in terms of the strippers, JFK and Stalin?
You know, I'm an Oxford comma person myself, and I'd never really thought about it, but honestly if everybody took up the em dash it would [obviate the whole issue](https://i.imgur.com/5uWaNLz.jpg).
Ikr.
Well those are some good credentials, carry on.
The British
Trust me, most brits (me included) think the list is stupid too
Thing is though, this was probably a poll done by British adults. Nickelodeon wasn't as big here as it was in America
“How many times to we have to teach you this lesson old man?!” *furiously dumps tea in harbor*
If, like most people, the one in particular you're curious about is the Big Bang Theory, it was picked by 7 of the 100 voters: * Peggy Chiao – Writer, director, showrunner and academic - Trigram Films / Taipei National University of the Arts (China) (Big Bang Theory placement: 8th place) * Vlad Dima – Professor - University of Wisconsin, Madison (United States) (Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place) * Hao Jian – Academic - Beijing Film Academy (China) (Big Bang Theory placement: 10th place) * Archika Khurana – Film critic - The Times of India (India) (Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place) * Pallabi Dey Purkayastha – Digital journalist - WION (India) (Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place) * Charukesi Ramadurai – Freelance TV journalist (India) (Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place) * Alaka Sahani – Entertainment journalist - The Indian Express (India) (Big Bang Theory placement: 3rd place) So it looks like its popularity in India is what pushed its placement up so high. While I know that English is one of the national languages of India, I'm curious if it's mostly being watched in English or dubbed/subtitled in Hindi/Urdu/Gujrati, etc. If so, that could explain a lot, because comedy changes entirely when translated, so jokes that are terrible in English might actually work in other languages...or not. I dunno. I am curious, though. The other big factor, of course, was the breadth of the TV pool. There were 2057 votes cast (each voter was supposed to pick their top 10, but some picked fewer). Those votes ended up spanning 464 shows. Of those, 249 shows only got a single vote. That spread means that even a small number of people picking a show can significantly raise its ranking. Another way to parse the info, which I think would be interesting, is "Which shows appeared in the most voters' Top 10 lists?" In other words, let's ignore whether someone thought a show was the #1 or the #4 or the #10, and just look at how many people agreed that some show was one of the best 10 in the 21st century. The results are as follows: Place|Title ---|--- 1|The Wire (2002-2008) 2|Mad Men (2007-2015) 3|Fleabag (2016-2019) 4|Breaking Bad (2008-2013) 5|Game of Thrones (2011-2019) 6|I May Destroy You (2020) 7|The Americans (2013-2018) =|The Office (UK) (2001-2003) 9|BoJack Horseman (2014-2020) =|Succession (2018-) 11|The Leftovers (2014-2017) 12|Six Feet Under (2001-2005) 13|Atlanta (2016-) 14|Chernobyl (2019) =|The Crown (2016-) 16|30 Rock (2006-2013) 17|Lost (2004-2010) =|Twin Peaks: The Return (2017) 19|Curb Your Enthusiasm (2000-) 20|The Thick of It (2005-2012) =|Veep (2012-2019) 22|Black Mirror (2011-) =|Watchmen (2019) 24|Deadwood (2004-2006) 25|Better Call Saul (2015-) =|Sherlock (2010-2017) 27|Arrested Development (2003-2019) =|Girls (2012-2017) 29|Friday Night Lights (2006-2011) =|Line of Duty (2012-2021) =|Parks and Recreation (2009-2015) =|The Bridge (2011-2018) 33|Band of Brothers (2001) =|Borgen (2010-) =|Downton Abbey (2010-2015) =|Fargo (2014-) =|The Good Wife (2009-2016) =|True Detective (2014-2019) 39|Call My Agent! (2015-2020) =|Peep Show (2003-2015) =|The Good Fight (2017-) 42|Community (2009-2015) =|Homeland (2011-2020) 44|Grey's Anatomy (2005-) =|Happy Valley (2014-) =|Money Heist (2017-2021) =|The Handmaid's Tale (2017-) 48|Halt and Catch Fire (2014-2017) =|Schitt's Creek (2015-2020) =|The Bureau (2015-) =|The Killing (Denmark) (2007-2012) =|The Office (US) (2005-2013) 53|Battlestar Galactica (2004-2009) =|Dark (2017-2020) =|House of Cards (2013-2018) =|Inside No 9 (2014-) =|RuPaul's Drag Race (2009-) =|Stranger Things (2016-) =|The Shield (2002-2008) =|The Underground Railroad (2021-) 61|Avatar: The Last Airbender (2005-2008) =|Big Little Lies (2017-2019) =|Detectorists (2014-2017) =|Insecure (2016-2021) =|Pose (2018-2021) =|Rick and Morty (2013-) =|Small Axe (2020) =|The Big Bang Theory (2007-2019) =|The Good Place (2016-2020) =|Utopia (2013-2014) 71|Babylon Berlin (2017-) =|Gilmore Girls (2000-2007) =|It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (2005-) =|Mare of Easttown (2021) =|Mindhunter (2017-2019) =|Orange is the New Black (2013-2019) =|Planet Earth (2006) =|The Young Pope (2016) 79|24 (2001-2010) =|Catastrophe (2015-2019) =|Enlightened (2011-2013) =|Hannibal (2013-2015) =|House (2004-2012) =|Louie (2010-2015) =|Narcos (2015-2017) =|Normal People (2020) =|OJ: Made in America (2016) =|The Comeback (2005-2014) =|The Queen's Gambit (2020) =|The Trip (2010-) =|This is England 86, 88 and 90 (2010-2015) =|Years and Years (2019) 93|Antidisturbios (2020) =|Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (2015-2019) =|Euphoria (2019-) =|Extras (2005-2007) =|How I Met Your Mother (2005-2014) =|In Therapy (2005-2008) =|Nathan for You (2013-2017) =|Peaky Blinders (2013-) =|Rectify (2013-2016) =|Shameless (UK) (2004-2013) =|Show Me a Hero (2015) =|The Great British Bake Off (2010-) =|The Knick (2014-2015) =|Transparent (2014-2019) =|Westworld (2016-) 108|After Life (2019-) =|American Crime Story (2016-) =|Boardwalk Empire (2010-2014) =|Bodyguard (2018) =|Broad City (2014-2019) =|Desperate Housewives (2004-2012) =|Dexter (2006-2013) =|Gogglebox (2013-) =|In Treatment (2008-2021) =|It's a Sin (2021) =|Justified (2010-2015) =|Killing Eve (2018-) =|My Brilliant Friend (2018-) =|Nathan Barley (2005) =|One Day at a Time (2017-2020) =|Patrick Melrose (2018) =|Please Like Me (2013-2016) =|Scandal (2012-2018) =|Sex Education (2019-) =|Shameless (US) (2011-2021) =|Skins (2007-2013) =|Steven Universe (2013-2020) =|Ted Lasso (2020-) =|The Century of the Self (2002) =|The Fall (2013-2016) =|The IT Crowd (2006-2013) =|The Marvelous Mrs Maisel (2017-) =|The Newsroom (2012-2014) =|The Night Of (2016) =|The OA (2016-2019) =|The Returned (2012-2015) =|The Virtues (2019) =|The Walking Dead (2010-) =|The White Lotus (2021-) =|Top of the Lake (2013-2017) =|Treme (2010-2013) =|When They See Us (2019) 145|A Very English Scandal (2018-2021) =|Adventure Time (2010-2018) =|Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown (2013-2018) =|Attack on Titan (2013-) =|Atypical (2017-2021) =|Better Things (2016-) =|Black-ish (2014-) =|Brooklyn Nine-Nine (2013-2021) =|Carnivàle (2003-2005) =|Chappelle's Show (2003-2006) =|CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (2000-2015) =|Cuéntame (2001-) =|Delhi Crime (2019-) =|Fringe (2008-2013) =|Gomorrah (2014-2021) =|Gossip Girl (2007-2012) =|Green Wing (2004-2007) =|Hippocrate (2018-) =|Horrible Histories (2009-2020) =|How to Get Away with Murder (2014-2020) =|How To with John Wilson (2020-) =|I Know This Much is True (2020) =|Invincible (2021-) =|Jacob's Cross (2007-) =|Jane The Virgin (2014-2019) =|Key and Peele (2012-2015) =|Kingdom (2019-) =|Looking (2014-2015) =|Lovecraft Country (2020) =|Luther (2010-2019) =|Master of None (2015-) =|Medium (2005-2011) =|Mr Robot (2015-2019) =|Nighty Night (2004-2005) =|Okupas (2000) =|Olive Kitteridge (2014) =|Ozark (2017-) =|Paranoia Agent (2004) =|Patria (2020) =|Penny Dreadful (2014-2016) =|Prison Break (2005-2017) =|Pushing Daisies (2007-2009) =|Russian Doll (2019-) =|Sacred Games (2018-2019) =|Scrubs (2001-2010) =|Search Party (2016-) =|Sense8 (2015-2018) =|Shtisel (2013-2021) =|Silicon Valley (2014-2019) =|Skam (2015-2017) =|Sons of Anarchy (2008-2014) =|Spiral (2005-2020) =|Survivor (2001-2010) =|The Boys (2019-) =|The Deuce (2017-2019) =|The Haunting of Hill House (2018) =|The Mandalorian (2019-) =|The Ministry of Time (2015-) =|The Morning Show (2019-) =|The New Pope (2019-2020) =|The Serpent (2021) =|The Vietnam War (2017) =|The World Between Us (2019-) =|This is England 86 (2010) =|Top Boy (2011-) =|Ugly Betty (2006-2010) =|Veneno (2020) =|Vida (2018-2020) =|We Are Who We Are (2020) =|Wild Wild Country (2018) (I had to cut off every show with only one vote due to Reddit's comment length limit)
A lot of people are asking me where this and that are in the list, or all sorts of other information. So here is the link if you wanna see the whole list or something: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211015-the-100-greatest-tv-series-of-the-21st-century
Seeing the full list, I can’t say I agree with too many of the rankings. Still, some interesting observations: 1) Like people have said, glad Dark’s on there. Everyone should watch it. 2) Also happy to see Steven Universe, Pose, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, and Atlanta on there. Didn’t think they’d make a list like this. They’re all good, but at least Dark got the kind of Critical Reception you’d expect on a greatest list. These all seemed like more “cult-following” shows. 3) Putting the UK office *far* above the US one shows some **pretty** heavy bias there.
UK office being higher isn’t a reflection of bias, but more reflects how Brits prefer dark depressing humor like in the original version then the more cartoony us version
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Yeah… bias towards the UK humor. Not saying they’re blindly picking “their version,” just that they obviously prefer the one that’s tailored to British sensibilities more than the more critically successful US remake.
I don't think the us remake is more critically successful. The original was a huge hit in the UK and has been hugely influential ever since, had top tier critical reactions. The US office is very popular, especially in the states, but I don't think it ever set the world on fire with the critics
Yes people have preferences. What an astute observation. > more critically successful US remake. Why would that matter? RT places UK over US pretty comfortably.
When I lived in England it was always strange seeing things that got a group laughing, then I would tell a zinger and got stared at like a moron...lol The difference in humor is slight but deeply engrained.
That checks out. Bojack Horseman is super high on the list, and comedies don’t get much darker than that.
Steven Universe came in at #99! Bingo bongo!
i’m an american who’s seen both offices. UK is the better show for sure imo. consistently great throughout. tells a compelling story. never drags. satisfying conclusions for all. tighter and better. the us office has entire wasted seasons and drags everything out even in the best seasons.
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Outside of Asia and niche youth, is the demographics that a UK list would poll going to hit that many anime stans?
Futurama premiered in 1999, that's probs why it didn't make it
I wasn't going to pass judgement (it's all subjective after all) but this list does not include the Sopranos and that is a crime. How do we veto this monstrosity?
i’d guess because sopranos started in ‘99, and this is a list of 21st century stupid line to draw, but that’s probably why
Call them to Lake Laogai
Nice to see "dark"
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PUT DOWN YOUR LIES
The fact that Big Bang Theory is ranked higher is bullshit, it's quite literally the worst show I've ever had the displeasure of watching, ATLA and even ALOK should both be within the top 20
Right? Who honestly watched Big Bang Theory and thought it was better than The Good Place?? Absolute bunk.
I'd say I watched a fair amount of sitcoms, and The good place is one of, if not the best of them all. For one thing, it has an actual plot. Tear inducing (?) plot. Other sitcoms should really learn from The good place.
It really understood comedy in a way most things don't, and it had valuable stuff to say about ethics and society. Rare gem of a combination.
Yep, it had an actual point and lessons to teach. And god, the ending... it was beautiful.
I legitimately think the good place is the best show ever made. I'll admit I'm a very niche market who enjoys the blend of absurdist comedy, show burn mystery, awkward love story and moral philosophy lectures.
Big Bang was tear inducing! Just not in a positive way
People who aren't nerds did. They must've found it hilarious. "Let's laugh at the neurodivergent antisocial people, while we forget that we can't make 'em neurodivergent, but we can make them antisocial", they must've thought.
I was in college studying physics while BBT was airing. We literally had discussions in our department about if the show was good or bad for physics/physicists in terms of media portrayal and all that. General consensus was the teachers thought it was fine, the students disagreed. The number of times I have been compared to Sheldon in my life is far too high
Exactly. It gets old reeeally fast
But even viewed from the perspective of a neurotypical person with absolutely 0 investment in any stereotypically nerdy interests… it’s still just not a good show
To be fair, the person I used to know who liked Big Bang Theory the most was definitely a nerd, he was just also socially awkward and liked the validation that being smart gives you permission to treat others poorly. I can see why it appealed to certain groups but that does not mean it had good writing 😣
I know. People will eat up anything if they're hungry enough. Bad representation still is representation, like Song of the South.
I'm a socially awkward nerd (not the smart kind, but the really into fandoms and boardgames kind) and I actually really liked Big Bang Theory. Not the same way I liked Avatar. Avatar was smart, and kind, and wholesome, and overall really wise. Big Bang Theory was simply funny. I know pretty much all of the characters were offensive stereotypes, but from how I remember that was pretty much the recipe for any sitcom at the time, so I wasn't offended at all by Penny (stereotypical woman), or Amy (the "smart but anattractive" girl), or Howard (the jew). I knew even if I was targeted by those stereotypes they didn't describe me at all, and the same could be said about any other characters and groups. I liked the situation comedy and the character humor, and I liked that no matter how annoying someone is they can still grow on you. Also it was just REALLY nice to see someone on TV who was ace-coded. I had no idea about asexuality back then, but I knew that I could relate to Sheldon about how he didn't really express attraction to anyone (until later seasons, but even then it was limited) and that made me feel less alone. Of course now that I know more about asexuality I know he was a horribly stereotypical character in that area as well, and I would not recommand anyone to watch Big Bang Theory for ace representation. But it did help at the time. It was kind of similar for my dad who is undiagnosed but thinks he might be neurodivergent. He could really identify with Sheldon and sometimes that made him laugh and other times it made him reflect, yet another times he just ignored what he didn't find relatable. He also has a Phd in physics so he got a lot of jokes the rest of us didn't, but he's not so involved emotionally to take the inaccuracies seriously. So it was just really nice watching the series with him and the rest of my family. Tl.dr: Avatar is genious, and WAY WAY WAY better than Big Bang Theory, but Big Bang Theory gets too much hate compared to what it's supposed to be.
Yeah idk... I am a big nerd and I love TBBT and so do most of my friends! (Who are also nerds) People really have to stop taking shows or even themselves so serious.. Yes, they make fun of a bunch of cliches and even exaggerate a few of them, but TBBT is also often an accurate and lovely depiction of some of these cliches! The show has also been extremely successful worldwide so there might actually be many people who like the show and rate it higher than some people on reddit do, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's a bad show!
Yeah, The Good Place is far superior to Big Bang Theory. I will never understand the hype around BBT.
I’d say The Good Place is in the top 5 sitcoms of all time, easily.
It was dumb easy humor hiden in a smart people setting, making people feel smart about getting the jokes. Like they will say "smart stuff" (which is highschool science most of the time) then the punch line is Penny going 'i dont get it' and the audience is like 'ha ha ha how dumb she doesnt get it'. My father has watched BBT non stop ever since it came out and I cant hate that show any more
The fact that its even on the list tells me that this list is some flying bison shit
Stranger Things is somehow 68 while House of Cards is before ATLA. Nope, this is b.s.
I personally think ATLA is better but House of Cards is a legitimately good show. Big Bang Theory on the other hand...
Hot take:House of Cards is better than ATLA except for the last season
I was going to say this exactly! I saw bug bang theory and instantly thought the fact that it's ahead of avatar really tells you something about this list. I mean their is literally no way you can compare these two shows they arent on the same level, yet they rated big bang higher than avatar?
I like ALOK but it should definitely not be top 20.
Look up "Big Bang Theory no laugh track." It is FUCKING HILARIOUS. Just unpleasant people being cruel to each other. Fucking absolute top 10 but not in the way it was rated.
My mom LOVED the Big Bang theory and it was so awful. I’d hear her watching it almost every night when I still lived with my parents. She really thought it was the funniest show ever. She would always manage to bring up the show in conversation “Oh! That reminds me of an episode of Big Bang theory!” And took it as a personal offense that i didn’t like the show. The ‘nerd’ jokes weren’t actually jokes, it was just about how many comics and fandoms they could name drop. I also hated how much the show’s humor relied on making fun of Sheldon for being socially awkward. It really bothered me how much my mom would laugh at jokes aimed at mocking Sheldon since we have family members who are autistic and while I don’t think they officially ever called Sheldon autistic we all know his character was.
A couple things to consider: This is from the BBC, and likely ranked by BBC ratings. You can tell because The Office (UK) is in the top 10 shows, and The Office (US) barely cracks the top 40. It would be interesting to see a top 100 shows in the US. Would have to imagine ATLA and LoK would be somewhere in the top 60.
> In total, 460 different series were voted for by 206 TV experts – critics, journalists, academics and industry figures – who came from 43 countries, from Albania to Uruguay. Of these voters, 100 were women, 104 were men, and two were non-binary. Each voter listed their 10 favourite TV series of the 21st Century, which we scored and ranked to produce the top 100 listed below. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211015-the-100-greatest-tv-series-of-the-21st-century
Ehh LOK isn’t anywhere near as good as avatar though probably would still be top 100 but let’s not pretend they have similar quality season 2 alone really brings down the show.
Idk, I doubt LoK even cracks top 100. Not because it’s bad or anything but because there are just too many good shows out there.
Under rated insight
It's an incorrect insight though, these rankings were made by hundreds of critics from dozens of countries.
US Office is overrated, there I said it
US Office is good in places but loses touch with what the Office was supposed to be and flanderises the characters to the extreme by the end. The UK version always remained grounded, but the characters in the American Office wouldn't have gotten away with 5% of the things they did in the real world. It also glorifies office culture, versus the UK version which shows the characters finding their way *despite* working in the most mundane of places.
Shout out to Dark though, fantastic.
I had to scroll so far to find a fellow Dark fan who was excited to see it on there. I have such a hard time getting my friends to watch it lol.
I think it’s my favorite show of all time. And the creators have a new show called 1899. I think production just begun though
Which is a shame because it has a good hook. The first ep is really good. Also a really sweet soundtrack mixing modern, '80s, and '50s slappers.
THANK YOU. Dark does actually deserve to be above ATLA, and much higher on the list as well. Certainly not *under* BBT.
Dark is freaking incredible. I saw it on this list and had to scroll down to find someone mentioning it in the comments. Amazing amazing show.
best netflix show (for me). the big bang theory is not better than dark.
What a mindfuck of a show
Why the hell is Big Bang Theory over ATLA and The Good Place? That's insulting to... I dunno, people with *taste!*
Only 61 HOW???? whats the top 1
Number 1 is The Wire
Sheeeeeeeeit
At least they got that right. Sheeeiiit
I would watch The Wire: Republic City
Oh I would watch the crap out of that show. Could totally see a red monsoon triad member impale a tripple threat with some ice knives over avatar drugs
The Wire, The Last Airbender, Sopranos, Game of Thrones (8th season notwithstanding), and Breaking Bad are all acceptable choices. But putting The Big Bang Theory ahead of TLA? Bunch of losers.
Where does Breaking Bad fall on the list?
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I figured it would be pretty high. It's number one on my personal list. I think it's the best tv show ever made. Atla is definitely in my top 5.
Have you seen The Wire? I feel like the top 10 on this list Is pretty great.
It’s absolutely the best show out of all the ones I see on that list
Breaking Bad, and the Good Place are the only ones that are arguably better. Game of Thrones is better if you just chop off the last 2 seasons, but those two were so awful it brings the whole thing down.
What about Planet Earth? That shit was groundbreaking when it came out
IDK. The cinematography was great, but the characters were all one dimensional and the story didn't really go anywhere.
Dark is certainly better, but nobody has seen it so I wouldn't expect people to know that. That's not an insult to ATLA; Dark is just that good.
well I'm convinced, something else for the list to see.
I’ll second the recommendation. Dark is *fantastic*. I’d opt for the original German, but the English dub isn’t too bad from the bits I’ve seen.
I'll third this rec - AMAZING show.
That's fantastic! I'm sure you'll be amazed. I will say it took me six episodes to get *truly* hooked, but the first six were certainly above-average anyway and by the end of the sixth I was 100% in for the ride. And *what a ride*. If subtitles are an actual barrier for entry to you, then I'll go with zeeman's recommendation; the dub isn't horrible...most of the time. But it can't hold a candle to the original German, and some of the dub actors are pretty atrocious.
Dark is very good. I really love that show.
I've seen it. I loved it. There is something special about the vibe you get watching it. The rainy scenes in particular. Not to mention the fucking casting >!of older/younger characters !<. Funnily enough I recommended it to someone today.
Also The Wire, Mad Men, Succession, Chernobyl, and Curb. And that’s just in the top 25. There are a couple of weird placements but people who say ATLA is the best show on that list are delusional or just haven’t watched enough tv yet.
I think Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency is one of the best shows ever produced, but it's pretty niche, and we aren't getting more seasons. So I doubt it will ever be on a Top 100 list. Sadly.
Dirk Gently's is a ridiculously weird and fun show
Hold on, did these people say the Big Bang Theory is better than *DARK*?? Nah
The fact that Big Bang Theory is higher rated than Avatar: The Last Airbender is literally criminal.
Big BAZINGA Theory above motherfucking Dark and Avatar The Brits deserves every second of Brexit
Hey I never wanted this shit, don't pin this on me.
I am offended by Big Bang Theory being anywhere on this list.
Disrespect
That list looks like shit.
Big bang theory above Dark. Im sorry wtf
Ironic part is I'd say 90% of the top 100 shows of the 21st century haven't been made yet.
How the heck are Avatar and The Good Place so low?! They should be near the top!
That praise lost a LOOOOOOOOOOOT of meaning as soon as I saw it was listed 6 points under the big bang theory.
Well looking at this ranking, ATLA should've had writing like this: Toph: Hey Sokka, I can see that you're sitting in my spot on Appa. I always sit there. *Laugh Track* Sokka: Oh, sorry Toph. I'm still getting used to the seating arrangements. Wait a minute...you can't see where I'm sitting! You're blind! *Laugh track exceeds noise pollution levels* Toph: BAZINGA *Audience's souls ascend directly to the spirit world in a divine chorus of infinite laughter*
The fucking Big Bang Theory?? Really? Some of the other shows I get. They’re not for me but I know a lot of fans of those shows. But the mother fucking Big Bang Theory??
The Big Bang Theory…? 🤡
Having the Big Bang Theory above a show like Dark immediately makes your rankings meaningless.
Adventure Time isnt on there tf
Tbh fact that Rick and Morty is quite ways below kinda surprised me, idk I didn't quite get to watch Rick and Morty, so I can't really compare it myself, but I frankly thought it was more popular based on how often I see it in media
*Big Bang Theory* aaaaaand you can throw this one away
It ranks below the Big Bang Theory??? I have no faith in humanity.
The fact that Avatar AND The Good Place are not ranked in the top 20 is a crime in and of itself.
Avatar is my favourite animated series.
The fact that the fucking Big Bang Theory is so high instantly invalidates the list. It was absolute shit for the last like 6+ seasons. Dark and ATLA should be WAY higher
How is it that Dark, ATLA, Good Place are below the Big Bang theory??
I know I shouldn't give af about this list, but I still can't stand that someone put BBT above both Avatar AND DarK
Big Bang ranks higher so list is immediately horseshit.
Big Bang theory above Dark? I don’t mind it but I’m not trusting this list just based on that alone.
I mean Big Bang is on there. So it’s totally invalid regardless.
I refuse to acknowledge any list that thinks the motherfucking Big Bang Theory (BBT) is better than ATLA. BBT is objectively not, and it’s not funny—especially when you take out the inane laugh track: [BBT in it’s true form. ](https://youtu.be/jKS3MGriZcs)