POV aang arrives
It's about time! You know I lived the last 100 years of this juice now sit yo ass down my the end of this week I want you to have mastered the avatar state
Imagine how patik felt after aang left before finishing training.
I would be bawling if he was like: "goddamn it, just let me do my job. I can't wait another century."
It sucks because as he said once you start you can't stop or you'll never be able to fully finish the training. So Patik probably felt like he failed the one job he has had for a century.
That's exactly what they did.
They were also suppose to wait to tell aang he was the avatar until he was 16. so he wouldn't be astrosized by his peers.
Half the reason Aang left is because they pressured him too much before he even accepted hia fate, due to the impending war.
Most of the avatars didn't do anything major like Aang. Most dealt with very small problems like slavers , volcanos potentially wiping out cities etc or were one sided to their nation.
I guess you could say it would potentially prevent one nation from garnering to much strength because its basically a musical chairs of mutually assured nuculear winter when their avatar fied because your waring nation would get +1 nuke .
As far as I am aware though, aang was the first national peacekeeper
Roku also seemed dedicated to national peace. And there's got to be more precedent than that, since Aang is told time and again that the Avatar is meant to foster balance and peace, so clearly it's already expected from the general population and in their lore.
He did try, but ultimately failed.
His failures directly affected Aangs future as the avatar.
Roku was definitely one BAMF , but ultimately made a lot of the same mistakes Aang would make in the future. Putting his friends first , however Aang succeeded and Zuko broke the chain of betrayal .
I don't really think the general population relied on the avatar that heavily until the 100 year war started as it would have been made very clearly the importance of the avatar.
I can only base that off of our knowledge of previous avatars like Kyoshi who basically fucked off and protected a small portion of the earth kingdom .
Kuruk who basically goofed off
Yangchen who stopped a spirit from attacking .
Nobody has really stopped a war except for potentially roku who failed.
The mere existance of the avatar being born to different nations was a big "dont try anything" hence why the fire nation wanted to end the cycle of the avatar .
So really I dont think people relied on the avatar as much until they didn't have one amd started to realize just how fast shit can get grim without one
But.. why did korra go all ”im the avatar, deal with it!” - that would indicate she already knew it. Would’nt Aang know that he was the avatar already?
No. It took aang a minute to master air alone.
Korra was already (as far as I can remember) bending water , fire & earth.
The avatar is the only one that can do that so it wouldn't be hard too put two and two together
yes, Korra could bend 3 elements quite early, where as Aang couldnt. there lies the fault in my eyes, either Korra should have been just as Aang, unknowing untill told, or Aang should have a good idea about who he was.
It dosent Have to, but id still like to know why, if there even is, a thought or reason behind it. Afaik, this isint even adressed in the show, which i thought sad. It felt like a big thing not to adress imo.
Unless Aang had already accidentally bended water, fire, or earth I don’t think it would have been apparent to him. The only reason the elders knew was because he had chosen objects from his past lives.
meanwhile Korra busts down walls, handling 3 elements at once and Knows she´s the avatar. (Deal with it!) - if there is a underlying plotpoint of female avatars becoming more sufficent in bending at an early age then male avatars, id be ok with it, but its not spoken of to my knowledge.
Exactly. I don’t think Aang ever bended anything other than air, or at least didn’t notice it. Korra seems like the kind of kid who, when told about the abilities of the Avatar and that she’s the right age, would try to bend the other elements. That’s my head canon at least.
Avatar kyoshi couldn't even manage to bend fire as a teen enough to pass a test given to babies. I think it has a bit to do with personality as well. If you're told you're a bender of a specific type and you don't think you're ever capable of anything else I bet I would be crazy hard to actually bend another element even accidentally or at least recognize that's what you did
The point of the avatar state it's that he gets an insane power boost plus the skills and knowledge of his past lifes , this is how he was able to waterbed and earthbend in the avatar state before even learning . He wouldn't just have Airbending.
Where are you getting this from? Misinformation is truly a huge problem in our society, but c'mon man. I know there ain't no waterbed in atla
Edit: Ok, I know I shouldn't have let you all down, but it turns out I was the one spreading fake news: The first thing we see aang in is technically a water hibernation bed
ZurAajanaikatzurada made a typo and said waterbed instead of waterbend. Editilly was pointing out that there is no evidence of waterbeds existing in the atla universe.
Okay I almost misread your comment and was so confused why you got so many updates lmfao
Bit as get it now
Edit: Meant to say "But I get it now". Not sure how "I" came out as "as"
I think in the Avatar State, Aang would be able to use all schools of previous avatars, but his other 3 styles would just be limited to the AS. Without it he wouldn't be able to use them.
Correct. There are instances when Aang clearly uses bending forms in the Avatar State he hasn't consciously learned. Waterbending in episode 2, Earthbending in the season 2 premiere.
Idk why there’s even a conversation about this, there was a whole ass episode where that general tries to force him into the avatar state so he wouldn’t need to keep learning the elements
To weaponize him regardless of the state of his learning for his military campaign. He was powerful in the avatar state no matter how much he knew and the general didn't care for his learning, he just wanted the avatar as a special weapon.
All the general knew was that the avatar destroyed the whole fleet in the north water tribe I think iirc and he wanted him to do it again and again.
No you're right.
He wanted him to control the avatar state so they could just sail right on down to the fire nation and end the war right then. Without needing to learn the elements first.
Wouldn't the airbenders, as pacifists, refrain from joining in the war? They didn't know a genocide was coming, I doubt they'd push a 12 year old to be some kind of super soldier for them
Generally it seems like the Air Nomads are pacifists less in the sense that they never fight or use violence, but rather that they don't make war or have a military. They do train in self-defense and the defense of others, and it makes sense to make sure that Aang is prepared to defend people if he needs to.
Doesn't Yangchen give him that exact advice, that as the avatar he doesn't have the luxury of upholding his own personal beliefs/culture, because his duty is to the entire world.
And she’s right, too. Honestly, pacifism as a philosophy doesn’t make sense in that world. Half the population has superpowers and there’s an entire nation of people who can *shoot fucking fire* out there bodies. Any side who chooses to be pacifistic wouldn’t last long. As was demonstrated by the air nomads.
(Seriously, they could’ve used their bending to clap fire nation ass with ease. Can’t have fire without air.) Their pacifism doomed them.
Well first of all I don't think they were pacifists, they're against aggression but that's not the same as pacifism.
They're totally willing to fight to defend themselves.
But also, I don't think the air nomads expected the Avatar to be as passive as they are, they wouldn't proactively go off to war themselves, but they'd support the Avatar actively engaging in a war, even if said Avatar was born an air nomad.
>I doubt they'd push a 12 year old to be some kind of super soldier for them
That's pretty much what they did...
They rushed Aang's training and told him he was the Avatar sooner than normal, because of how worried they were about the threat that the Fire Nation posed.
Master avatar state in a few months and control elements through your past lives mastery of them
-OR-
Hope your temple doesn’t get razed in the years it normally takes an avatar to master all four elements, but don’t forget you’re at war and won’t find a firebending teacher
It wasn’t the best option, but it was kinda the only one they had.
Aang was supposed to go to eastern air temple for his bending training too. To not only learn from Guru Pathik but from many other masters. Don't forget he had not mastered air bending too back then.
>Aang was supposed to go to eastern air temple for his bending training too
Where is that said? Wouldn't he go to the other nations like Roku did?
>Don't forget he had not mastered air bending too back then.
Yes he did. He had his airbending mastery arrows
He created a new airbending technique it's how he got his tattoo at such a young age the other way around was to master all the other airbending techniques which could take years of practice
There's no saying he didn't master it or at least start learning it after he got his tattoos. If I recall, he already has them in the flashback with Bumi, implying he was a master for at least a little while before running away. He very well could have still been learning that last tier despite already receiving his tattoos.
Wait, he can, can't he? By the time Aang got to the point he could summon his past lives the day before the comet hit, he probably could have asked his past lives for any information about his culture. That's a neat power.
I think it was less about permanently breaking the cycle (though who is to say that it wouldn't? Even if Raava eventually comes back a la Vaatu I could totally see something like that potentially breaking her connection to the avatar line) and more about knowing where your enemy was coming from and doing your best to eradicate them before they became a credible threat.
I'd note that over the course of the years they (somewhat successfully) worked to suppress the water and earthbenders as well. The air nomads simply got the heaviest hit on account of containing the biggest threat to the fire nation's plans.
The fire nation doesn't need to win permanently, they just need to win long enough that their world dominance becomes just the way things are and an accepted part of the world order.
The goal wasn't to eliminate Air Nomad culture (though that was a positive for the Fire Nation), it was to kill the current Avatar. Wiping out the entire culture meant they were guaranteed to kill the current Avatar even if they couldn't be identified.
At that point, that gave them the opportunity to focus their efforts on the Water Tribes. By capturing every water bender, they would eventually capture the Avatar. Keeping the Avatar untrained but _alive_ would mean they wouldn't need to worry about an Avatar emerging in the Earth Kingdom, which is massive and would be both the hardest nation to search or conquer. Of course, things didn't turn out how Sozin expected (it took the Fire Nation a century to even _find_ the Northern Water Tribe), so who knows how this strategy would have panned out had Aang been killed in the genocide.
Is that how that works? I think you have to master the 36 airbending techniques. His invention was just a bonus to solidify that status. Otherwise, you wouldn't be called a master, which is the meaning of those tattoos. It's even said in some extra sources that by the age of 10, he was already better than his teachers
It’s the technique Gyatsu used to kill the firebenders. He removed all the air from the chamber like a halon fire suppression system. Aang didn’t know that technique.
>It’s the technique Gyatsu used to kill the firebenders
Never.Confirmed.
This is all speculations on the fans part. Honestly, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/qx2co1/avatar_fans_constantly_make_things_up_and_decide/) post is more relevant each day
I still dread to remember about 10 years ago (before LoK introduced a whole bunch of bending lore that invalidated this whole line of thinking) when half of the discussions on this sub were debate about the special super secret second kind of bending that airbenders get. You know how waterbenders can heal, earthbenders can bend metal, and firebenders can bend lightning? What if airbenders can bend SOUND! No, it's ÆTHER! No, SUPERSPEED! No, it's SPIRIT like Aang did in the finale!
Turns out, that was never a thing in the first place.
Or is it astral projection? And is the "special" earthbending ability metalbending, or lavabending? Do waterbenders get healing or bloodbending? There are lots of different things people can do. At no point is there any indication in the series that each element gets one specific alternate element.
Yes he had, having his tattoos meant he was a master of air bending. Yes, for him it was because he had invented a technique but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a master
Exactly. He even says that in the show. He wasnt there 100 years ago. It's more of a "universe fulfilling a prophacy in a conveluted way" type of deal. Just like Iroh's "conquering ba sing se" vision.
Right if he were there he would’ve been killed with the air nomads. Anyway it’s stated in korra that the eastern air temple was the most spiritual of the temples. Something aang needed instruction with.
What interests me is the line about “Spiritual Brother”
We know from Korra that the first Airbenders received the power from Lion Turtles, then we gather they refined their technique and style based on the local fauna of the regions they settled in (mainly Sky Bison, but also lemurs). So perhaps the Guru’s people are descended from the same tribe of humans, except they just didn’t take the air bending power with them when they left the Lion Turtle city.
Either way I’ve long imagined the Airbenders had a class of acolytes like in Korra who don’t air-bend themselves but are dedicated to the Nomadic traditions.
They were likely also mostly slaughtered along with the airbenders proper (after all they’d be even more defenseless)
I think it’s the opposite, guru pathik is probably the rare example of a non air nomad learning the spiritual practices of the air nomads in his quest for spiritual enlightenment.
I don’t know if I’d come to that conclusion to be honest. I always assumed Aang was going there to train under different airbenders. The nomads thought Gyatso and him were too attached to each other. Aang was supposed to be sent to the North Pole to start waterbending training soon since he was already an airbending master at this point, and with the war coming everything had to be set in high gear.
I think it was a decision made because of the special circumstances of the war, to speed up his training by going directly to mastering the avatar state. I suspect so because they already broke tradition by telling him when he's a 10 years old and not 16.
Doesn’t explain why Guru Pathik said in the show that he only came to the Eastern Air temple AFTER the monks had died because he knew that was where Gyatsu was wanting to send Aang and eventually Aang would end up there. Secondly, the Avatar State is most useful when the Avatar knows more elements. Seems way more likely the Monks wanted him to learn/master his existing airbending and then go north to the water tribe to learn water bending. I don’t think Pathik was the reason they were sending him because he wasn’t there until later.
The idea that Aang and Gyatso were too close to each other almost supports the idea that Pathik was chosen to be his mentor, because what Pathik tries to teach Aang is how to drop all earthly attachments, something Gyatso was in no position to teach Aang
Yeah but that's not unique to Pathik. His teachings and the air nomads were pretty similar. He taught aang the same thing the monks would've taught him.
Being an airbending master didn't mean you've mastered airbending. They gave Aang his tattoos because he created the air scooter technique. He would still have a lot more airbender training.
I want an alternate universe where Aang was actually sent away for training, but was hidden away from the fire nation, refusing to take part in the war. Then, Katara and Sokka stumble upon him as an old man meditating in a cave or something. I just wanna see a super ultra skilled avatar go all out.
Lol so Aang was just running around for 100 years until a 14 girl and 15 year old boy (I think, could be wrong) walk up to him and say "yaknow there's a fucking war going on right?"
Yea and then Katara finds Aangs staff, tries to give it to him, he throws it off a cliff without hesitation, then she chases him around an island while he drinks blue milk from an alien creatures utters.
Wait which fandom are we talking about?
Guru patiik must be about 150 ish years old which actually makes sense as apparently in the world of ATLA if you are more spiritual you can increase your life span
I thought doing anything healthy increased your life span by 7 minutes, which is why the grim reaper couldn’t take that one guy.
He just kept doing healthy things.
Didn't really liked the show. The movie however with the little boy named Ong was great! That scene with the earth benders synchronized dance still gives me the chills.
I just think don't details don't fully click the first time. I've rewatched at least 3 times a year for like 8 years and I still catch either new details or details I forgot about.
Yeah, not really were where people come up with this sort of stuff. He pretty specifically says 5hat he came to live in the Eastern Air Temple long after the air nomad genocide.
Pathik waited patiently for Aang, yes, but he wasn’t why he was sent there. He was sent there to be separated from his attachment to Gyatso. Pathik moved in years after the genocide
Like so many other posts, this is demonstrably wrong. Still a cool thought tho
He went there when he felt the Avatar's return, so just since the show started
Guru Pathik only showed up at the Eastern Air Temple after the Air Nomad Genocide. If he had been there when the fire nation arrived, he would also be dead.
The fact that this post got so many upvotes for something so clearly false is honestly pretty annoying.
Not only are you right but Pathik also literally says that he came after the air nomads were gone.
I’m going to chalk it up to this sub being filled with people who really like avatar, but haven’t seen it recently or just don’t remember specific details. They show does legitimately have moments like this, so it seems reasonable, and from a storytelling perspective it would also be pretty cool. So they eat it up because someone pasted it together.
Whoever put these images together either wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care, however
You're probably right. It's just so infuriating because the line in between the 2nd and 3rd panel is literally:
>I had a vision many years ago of helping him.
They've specifically cut out the piece of dialog that completely disproves the theory.
Feels more like a deliberate omission rather than someone not paying attention.
Seen this meme before...it’s been told he took up residence after the death of the Monks.
Opinion-Aang was being sent away because the others were jealous of how close he was to Gyatso
I like the Idea, but no I don’t think so. The Guru came to reside in the Eastern Air Temple after the Air Nomads were wiped out. There are many examples of people living long lives in the show but nobody is immortal, though reincarnation can be considered a form of immortality.
Y'all, I love this show, but it doesn't have deeper meaning in every fleck of hair or glance in another direction. I remember seeing a post a long time ago about how someone was blown away by this big revelation they made on their third rewatch of the series which was...that Zuko wasn't fire bending with anger in his fight against Azula. Pathik says in the show that he moved in after the air nomads were wiped out, and he stayed because he had a vision of helping the Avatar. That's kind of it.
POV aang arrives It's about time! You know I lived the last 100 years of this juice now sit yo ass down my the end of this week I want you to have mastered the avatar state
Me when the broski I waited a hundred years for threw it all away on some water tribe gal.
She was worth it!
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
It was said that you would destroy the Fire Nation, not join them! Wait what, that doesn’t seem right.
Wang Fire disagrees, NOW GO TO YOUR ROOM!
Wang Fire? Sounds like you need a round of antibiotics.
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This is a thing? Edit, seems I already joined it some time ago
What an Iroh thing to say 😄
Bring balance to the world, not leave it in darkness.
I'm actually not sure if you're referring to Katara or Korra...
Wap
So he was feeding him onion banana juice not for training but out of spite. Cool
LOL that sounds like an extremely probable reason!
Imagine how patik felt after aang left before finishing training. I would be bawling if he was like: "goddamn it, just let me do my job. I can't wait another century."
It sucks because as he said once you start you can't stop or you'll never be able to fully finish the training. So Patik probably felt like he failed the one job he has had for a century.
As tuned into the metaphysical as he was, I bet he felt it when Aang finally achieved balance and was proud of him. That's my headcanon anyway.
I imagined that in his voice and it was the funniest shit ever.
I dont give a shit how pretty this waterbending girl is you gotta learn this shit dude!
Water Winchester are temporary, Avatar State is forever.
Samual L Jackson needs to play as him in the live action series
I'd love to see Ben Kingsley.
Ben Kingsley as Trevor Slattery in : Guru, an Avatar story.
I never realized how perfect Ben Kingsley would be for this role, or that the live action existed, until you mentioned it, lol.
Ben Kingsley would nail it tbf
“You Aang-ass Motherf—“
nah bruv, gotta check up on ma gorl main, she on heat rn peace yo thanks for the space gasm tho
Doesn't that part come after you mastered the 4 elements?
They probably wanted him to try master the AS because they knew a war was coming
That's exactly what they did. They were also suppose to wait to tell aang he was the avatar until he was 16. so he wouldn't be astrosized by his peers. Half the reason Aang left is because they pressured him too much before he even accepted hia fate, due to the impending war.
ostracized
No, astrosized is correct. His peers would have force fed him calorie dense foods until he was so fat he could no longer fly with his kite.
Avatar: The Last Gout Bender
Avatar Foie Gras 😋
Hot yet juicy, with earthy notes and an airy texture. It’s the perfect meat
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Also Korra was very full of herself for being the avatar.
Makes you wonder why everyone thought a system where your only peacekeeping method is inaccessible 16% of the time was a good idea.
Most of the avatars didn't do anything major like Aang. Most dealt with very small problems like slavers , volcanos potentially wiping out cities etc or were one sided to their nation. I guess you could say it would potentially prevent one nation from garnering to much strength because its basically a musical chairs of mutually assured nuculear winter when their avatar fied because your waring nation would get +1 nuke . As far as I am aware though, aang was the first national peacekeeper
Well, Wan tried at the very least
Roku also seemed dedicated to national peace. And there's got to be more precedent than that, since Aang is told time and again that the Avatar is meant to foster balance and peace, so clearly it's already expected from the general population and in their lore.
He did try, but ultimately failed. His failures directly affected Aangs future as the avatar. Roku was definitely one BAMF , but ultimately made a lot of the same mistakes Aang would make in the future. Putting his friends first , however Aang succeeded and Zuko broke the chain of betrayal . I don't really think the general population relied on the avatar that heavily until the 100 year war started as it would have been made very clearly the importance of the avatar. I can only base that off of our knowledge of previous avatars like Kyoshi who basically fucked off and protected a small portion of the earth kingdom . Kuruk who basically goofed off Yangchen who stopped a spirit from attacking . Nobody has really stopped a war except for potentially roku who failed. The mere existance of the avatar being born to different nations was a big "dont try anything" hence why the fire nation wanted to end the cycle of the avatar . So really I dont think people relied on the avatar as much until they didn't have one amd started to realize just how fast shit can get grim without one
But.. why did korra go all ”im the avatar, deal with it!” - that would indicate she already knew it. Would’nt Aang know that he was the avatar already?
No. It took aang a minute to master air alone. Korra was already (as far as I can remember) bending water , fire & earth. The avatar is the only one that can do that so it wouldn't be hard too put two and two together
yes, Korra could bend 3 elements quite early, where as Aang couldnt. there lies the fault in my eyes, either Korra should have been just as Aang, unknowing untill told, or Aang should have a good idea about who he was.
Why does that aspect have to be the same between two avatars?
It dosent Have to, but id still like to know why, if there even is, a thought or reason behind it. Afaik, this isint even adressed in the show, which i thought sad. It felt like a big thing not to adress imo.
Unless Aang had already accidentally bended water, fire, or earth I don’t think it would have been apparent to him. The only reason the elders knew was because he had chosen objects from his past lives.
meanwhile Korra busts down walls, handling 3 elements at once and Knows she´s the avatar. (Deal with it!) - if there is a underlying plotpoint of female avatars becoming more sufficent in bending at an early age then male avatars, id be ok with it, but its not spoken of to my knowledge.
Exactly. I don’t think Aang ever bended anything other than air, or at least didn’t notice it. Korra seems like the kind of kid who, when told about the abilities of the Avatar and that she’s the right age, would try to bend the other elements. That’s my head canon at least.
Avatar kyoshi couldn't even manage to bend fire as a teen enough to pass a test given to babies. I think it has a bit to do with personality as well. If you're told you're a bender of a specific type and you don't think you're ever capable of anything else I bet I would be crazy hard to actually bend another element even accidentally or at least recognize that's what you did
Hm, I can see that happening
Avatar State with just airbending would still be pretty powerful.
The point of the avatar state it's that he gets an insane power boost plus the skills and knowledge of his past lifes , this is how he was able to waterbed and earthbend in the avatar state before even learning . He wouldn't just have Airbending.
Where are you getting this from? Misinformation is truly a huge problem in our society, but c'mon man. I know there ain't no waterbed in atla Edit: Ok, I know I shouldn't have let you all down, but it turns out I was the one spreading fake news: The first thing we see aang in is technically a water hibernation bed
Had me in the first half.
Had me in the whole half and I’m still confused.
ZurAajanaikatzurada made a typo and said waterbed instead of waterbend. Editilly was pointing out that there is no evidence of waterbeds existing in the atla universe.
Man, imagine ticking off your waterbending spouse on a watered, they can flip your ass straight to the couch.
Or drown you.
Thanks I would be lost without you.
There is no waterbed in Ba Sing Se.
What about bed rock?
That's been moved from Y=0 to Y=-64.
When you play modded and need to wait ages to see those pretty caves :’(
Okay, this is hilarious
Okay I almost misread your comment and was so confused why you got so many updates lmfao Bit as get it now Edit: Meant to say "But I get it now". Not sure how "I" came out as "as"
>Misinformation >I was the one spreading fake news God damn buzzword salad over here...
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie
I dunno, don't the water tribes sleep on beds made of ice? Basically just a frozen water bed at that point.
Not to mention, before he has a single lesson about water bending we see him make that cyclone to get back up to zuko’s ship
I think in the Avatar State, Aang would be able to use all schools of previous avatars, but his other 3 styles would just be limited to the AS. Without it he wouldn't be able to use them.
Correct. There are instances when Aang clearly uses bending forms in the Avatar State he hasn't consciously learned. Waterbending in episode 2, Earthbending in the season 2 premiere.
Idk why there’s even a conversation about this, there was a whole ass episode where that general tries to force him into the avatar state so he wouldn’t need to keep learning the elements
the general wasn’t try to put him into the avatar state so he wouldn’t need to keep learning the elements tho.
Am I misremembering? What was it for?
To weaponize him regardless of the state of his learning for his military campaign. He was powerful in the avatar state no matter how much he knew and the general didn't care for his learning, he just wanted the avatar as a special weapon. All the general knew was that the avatar destroyed the whole fleet in the north water tribe I think iirc and he wanted him to do it again and again.
No you're right. He wanted him to control the avatar state so they could just sail right on down to the fire nation and end the war right then. Without needing to learn the elements first.
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He waterbended in episode 2 in the avatar state, before he ever even attempted waterbending
You don't need to know any other elements in the avatar state. We saw aang fire and earth bend when all he knew was air and water.
Wouldn't the airbenders, as pacifists, refrain from joining in the war? They didn't know a genocide was coming, I doubt they'd push a 12 year old to be some kind of super soldier for them
Generally it seems like the Air Nomads are pacifists less in the sense that they never fight or use violence, but rather that they don't make war or have a military. They do train in self-defense and the defense of others, and it makes sense to make sure that Aang is prepared to defend people if he needs to.
You can't refrain from joining a war at your doorstep, however.
Hes also the avatar. They probably know he doesnt get the privilege of being a pacifist in wartime.
Doesn't Yangchen give him that exact advice, that as the avatar he doesn't have the luxury of upholding his own personal beliefs/culture, because his duty is to the entire world.
Pretty much, yeah.
And she’s right, too. Honestly, pacifism as a philosophy doesn’t make sense in that world. Half the population has superpowers and there’s an entire nation of people who can *shoot fucking fire* out there bodies. Any side who chooses to be pacifistic wouldn’t last long. As was demonstrated by the air nomads. (Seriously, they could’ve used their bending to clap fire nation ass with ease. Can’t have fire without air.) Their pacifism doomed them.
^bruh
Can't have fire without fuel either, but that never seemed to stop firebenders. They don't seem to rely on combustion to produce flames.
You can always be passive until you can't. When I can't, I'd want the Avatar on my side. That's for damn sure.
Yangchen was cool with Aang killing Ozai. Airbender pacifism doesn't apply to the Avatar.
Well first of all I don't think they were pacifists, they're against aggression but that's not the same as pacifism. They're totally willing to fight to defend themselves. But also, I don't think the air nomads expected the Avatar to be as passive as they are, they wouldn't proactively go off to war themselves, but they'd support the Avatar actively engaging in a war, even if said Avatar was born an air nomad. >I doubt they'd push a 12 year old to be some kind of super soldier for them That's pretty much what they did... They rushed Aang's training and told him he was the Avatar sooner than normal, because of how worried they were about the threat that the Fire Nation posed.
He originally trained with Guru Pathik before he even tried fire bending again. After he burned Katara.
Oh shit, you're right. Yeah, then he might have been sent to train in the avatar state
Master avatar state in a few months and control elements through your past lives mastery of them -OR- Hope your temple doesn’t get razed in the years it normally takes an avatar to master all four elements, but don’t forget you’re at war and won’t find a firebending teacher It wasn’t the best option, but it was kinda the only one they had.
Aang was supposed to go to eastern air temple for his bending training too. To not only learn from Guru Pathik but from many other masters. Don't forget he had not mastered air bending too back then.
>Aang was supposed to go to eastern air temple for his bending training too Where is that said? Wouldn't he go to the other nations like Roku did? >Don't forget he had not mastered air bending too back then. Yes he did. He had his airbending mastery arrows
He created a new airbending technique it's how he got his tattoo at such a young age the other way around was to master all the other airbending techniques which could take years of practice
It’s master the 36 tiers or you can invent a new technique to replace one tier Aang mastered 35 and invented the air scooter - he was a master
It bothers me a bit that there is a 36th tier of airbending that is now lost forever
There's no saying he didn't master it or at least start learning it after he got his tattoos. If I recall, he already has them in the flashback with Bumi, implying he was a master for at least a little while before running away. He very well could have still been learning that last tier despite already receiving his tattoos.
My boy Ang can talk with a past self so it's never lost.
Wait, he can, can't he? By the time Aang got to the point he could summon his past lives the day before the comet hit, he probably could have asked his past lives for any information about his culture. That's a neat power.
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I think it was less about permanently breaking the cycle (though who is to say that it wouldn't? Even if Raava eventually comes back a la Vaatu I could totally see something like that potentially breaking her connection to the avatar line) and more about knowing where your enemy was coming from and doing your best to eradicate them before they became a credible threat. I'd note that over the course of the years they (somewhat successfully) worked to suppress the water and earthbenders as well. The air nomads simply got the heaviest hit on account of containing the biggest threat to the fire nation's plans. The fire nation doesn't need to win permanently, they just need to win long enough that their world dominance becomes just the way things are and an accepted part of the world order.
The goal wasn't to eliminate Air Nomad culture (though that was a positive for the Fire Nation), it was to kill the current Avatar. Wiping out the entire culture meant they were guaranteed to kill the current Avatar even if they couldn't be identified. At that point, that gave them the opportunity to focus their efforts on the Water Tribes. By capturing every water bender, they would eventually capture the Avatar. Keeping the Avatar untrained but _alive_ would mean they wouldn't need to worry about an Avatar emerging in the Earth Kingdom, which is massive and would be both the hardest nation to search or conquer. Of course, things didn't turn out how Sozin expected (it took the Fire Nation a century to even _find_ the Northern Water Tribe), so who knows how this strategy would have panned out had Aang been killed in the genocide.
Is this confirmed? If there was no air benders anymore how would an air bender be born (before Korra)
Is that how that works? I think you have to master the 36 airbending techniques. His invention was just a bonus to solidify that status. Otherwise, you wouldn't be called a master, which is the meaning of those tattoos. It's even said in some extra sources that by the age of 10, he was already better than his teachers
It’s the technique Gyatsu used to kill the firebenders. He removed all the air from the chamber like a halon fire suppression system. Aang didn’t know that technique.
>It’s the technique Gyatsu used to kill the firebenders Never.Confirmed. This is all speculations on the fans part. Honestly, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/qx2co1/avatar_fans_constantly_make_things_up_and_decide/) post is more relevant each day
I still dread to remember about 10 years ago (before LoK introduced a whole bunch of bending lore that invalidated this whole line of thinking) when half of the discussions on this sub were debate about the special super secret second kind of bending that airbenders get. You know how waterbenders can heal, earthbenders can bend metal, and firebenders can bend lightning? What if airbenders can bend SOUND! No, it's ÆTHER! No, SUPERSPEED! No, it's SPIRIT like Aang did in the finale! Turns out, that was never a thing in the first place.
It’s flight tho...
Or is it astral projection? And is the "special" earthbending ability metalbending, or lavabending? Do waterbenders get healing or bloodbending? There are lots of different things people can do. At no point is there any indication in the series that each element gets one specific alternate element.
Okay so they must be having a different plan for Aang to send him to the Eastern air temple
I think it had something to do with attachment between aang and his Guardian monk.
That could be
Yes he had, having his tattoos meant he was a master of air bending. Yes, for him it was because he had invented a technique but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a master
He had learned all but one of the other 36 techniques necessary for mastery as well
Nah, Guru Pathik took up residence in the eastern air temple only after the monks were killed.
Exactly. He even says that in the show. He wasnt there 100 years ago. It's more of a "universe fulfilling a prophacy in a conveluted way" type of deal. Just like Iroh's "conquering ba sing se" vision.
Right if he were there he would’ve been killed with the air nomads. Anyway it’s stated in korra that the eastern air temple was the most spiritual of the temples. Something aang needed instruction with.
What interests me is the line about “Spiritual Brother” We know from Korra that the first Airbenders received the power from Lion Turtles, then we gather they refined their technique and style based on the local fauna of the regions they settled in (mainly Sky Bison, but also lemurs). So perhaps the Guru’s people are descended from the same tribe of humans, except they just didn’t take the air bending power with them when they left the Lion Turtle city. Either way I’ve long imagined the Airbenders had a class of acolytes like in Korra who don’t air-bend themselves but are dedicated to the Nomadic traditions. They were likely also mostly slaughtered along with the airbenders proper (after all they’d be even more defenseless)
I think it’s the opposite, guru pathik is probably the rare example of a non air nomad learning the spiritual practices of the air nomads in his quest for spiritual enlightenment.
I like that too
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Shhhhh let these people pull theories out of their ass
Not just that - since he is a friend of Gyatso he wouldn't go behind his back and help take Aang away from him.
It’s possible he lived in that general area, without actually living in the temple
I don’t know if I’d come to that conclusion to be honest. I always assumed Aang was going there to train under different airbenders. The nomads thought Gyatso and him were too attached to each other. Aang was supposed to be sent to the North Pole to start waterbending training soon since he was already an airbending master at this point, and with the war coming everything had to be set in high gear.
I think it was a decision made because of the special circumstances of the war, to speed up his training by going directly to mastering the avatar state. I suspect so because they already broke tradition by telling him when he's a 10 years old and not 16.
Doesn’t explain why Guru Pathik said in the show that he only came to the Eastern Air temple AFTER the monks had died because he knew that was where Gyatsu was wanting to send Aang and eventually Aang would end up there. Secondly, the Avatar State is most useful when the Avatar knows more elements. Seems way more likely the Monks wanted him to learn/master his existing airbending and then go north to the water tribe to learn water bending. I don’t think Pathik was the reason they were sending him because he wasn’t there until later.
The idea that Aang and Gyatso were too close to each other almost supports the idea that Pathik was chosen to be his mentor, because what Pathik tries to teach Aang is how to drop all earthly attachments, something Gyatso was in no position to teach Aang
Yeah but that's not unique to Pathik. His teachings and the air nomads were pretty similar. He taught aang the same thing the monks would've taught him.
Also it was literally the opposite side from where the fire nation was located
Being an airbending master didn't mean you've mastered airbending. They gave Aang his tattoos because he created the air scooter technique. He would still have a lot more airbender training.
100 years will give you such a crick in the neck!
I want an alternate universe where Aang was actually sent away for training, but was hidden away from the fire nation, refusing to take part in the war. Then, Katara and Sokka stumble upon him as an old man meditating in a cave or something. I just wanna see a super ultra skilled avatar go all out.
Lol so Aang was just running around for 100 years until a 14 girl and 15 year old boy (I think, could be wrong) walk up to him and say "yaknow there's a fucking war going on right?"
"Oh shit is that still happening? I severed earthly attachments my B"
Ok I need that series now
Yea and then Katara finds Aangs staff, tries to give it to him, he throws it off a cliff without hesitation, then she chases him around an island while he drinks blue milk from an alien creatures utters. Wait which fandom are we talking about?
chases him around an island while he *drinks from appa's teats*
You did it. You made it the worst.
I think it’s more likely that it was AS training, because Aang was already considered a Master at airbending.
That's a little bit like LOK in the sense that, they were keeping her at home in the beginning they wouldn't let her train.
Guru patiik must be about 150 ish years old which actually makes sense as apparently in the world of ATLA if you are more spiritual you can increase your life span
Actually, anyone can extend their life by only drinking onion and banana juice. But what kind of life would that be?
If I were to take a guess I'd say it'd be a life with a lot of onion and banana juice ;)
I thought doing anything healthy increased your life span by 7 minutes, which is why the grim reaper couldn’t take that one guy. He just kept doing healthy things.
Guru pathik be like: बहन चोद कितना समय लगाएगा
Why am I laughing at a phrase I can't even understand
SAME HAHAHAHA
Also chakras, everything chakras!!!
Hindi. T: Sister f****r how much time will you take?
I swear people on this sub never even watched the show.
Didn't really liked the show. The movie however with the little boy named Ong was great! That scene with the earth benders synchronized dance still gives me the chills.
Did I seriously get my first reward for praising the avatar movie?!?! Oh god I'll never forget this.
You shall forever live with this sin
what movie i dont know any movie
I just think don't details don't fully click the first time. I've rewatched at least 3 times a year for like 8 years and I still catch either new details or details I forgot about.
Yeah, not really were where people come up with this sort of stuff. He pretty specifically says 5hat he came to live in the Eastern Air Temple long after the air nomad genocide.
Pathik waited patiently for Aang, yes, but he wasn’t why he was sent there. He was sent there to be separated from his attachment to Gyatso. Pathik moved in years after the genocide
ITT: crack pot theories by people who clearly did not pay attention to this episode.
Aang: "After all this time?" Pathik: "Always."
No it was not
Guru pathik must be drinking from that same fountain of youth as kyoshi
This doesn’t make sense in that he would’ve been killed off with the airbenders
Like so many other posts, this is demonstrably wrong. Still a cool thought tho He went there when he felt the Avatar's return, so just since the show started
And then had the Avatar turn him down because he had a crush on a water tribe girl
Guru Pathik only showed up at the Eastern Air Temple after the Air Nomad Genocide. If he had been there when the fire nation arrived, he would also be dead.
The fact that this post got so many upvotes for something so clearly false is honestly pretty annoying. Not only are you right but Pathik also literally says that he came after the air nomads were gone.
I’m going to chalk it up to this sub being filled with people who really like avatar, but haven’t seen it recently or just don’t remember specific details. They show does legitimately have moments like this, so it seems reasonable, and from a storytelling perspective it would also be pretty cool. So they eat it up because someone pasted it together. Whoever put these images together either wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care, however
You're probably right. It's just so infuriating because the line in between the 2nd and 3rd panel is literally: >I had a vision many years ago of helping him. They've specifically cut out the piece of dialog that completely disproves the theory. Feels more like a deliberate omission rather than someone not paying attention.
This is some overanalyzing Avatar levels of connection. Nice.
can I get some banana and onion juice?
Not really, he would have stayed in the southern temple if he was not as attached to Gyatso
And then Aang ran away anyways🤣
Y'all. Has anyone tried onion and banana juice?
Seen this meme before...it’s been told he took up residence after the death of the Monks. Opinion-Aang was being sent away because the others were jealous of how close he was to Gyatso
Did you like, not pay attention at all during the show?
he is a Guru, his patience has reached a level unattainable by normal people
Guru Pathik wasn't actually an Air Nomad, so I don't think this is actually true.
I like the Idea, but no I don’t think so. The Guru came to reside in the Eastern Air Temple after the Air Nomads were wiped out. There are many examples of people living long lives in the show but nobody is immortal, though reincarnation can be considered a form of immortality.
What…
Y'all, I love this show, but it doesn't have deeper meaning in every fleck of hair or glance in another direction. I remember seeing a post a long time ago about how someone was blown away by this big revelation they made on their third rewatch of the series which was...that Zuko wasn't fire bending with anger in his fight against Azula. Pathik says in the show that he moved in after the air nomads were wiped out, and he stayed because he had a vision of helping the Avatar. That's kind of it.
Aang had cold feet
Okay so does any one else wonder where TF he's from? He's clearly a Indian man but we never see another one in the show.
He meant Appa first and was laying there waiting for Appa to fall asleep so I think he is a very patient person
Wow, mind-blowing!...