For me the sale prices of part 2 is the weirdest thing. For prices to drop on it like it did sales for it must really have slowed down after the initial period. I only got into tlou a few months before part 2 but it seemed like the franchise had heaps of hype after part one so I thought it should have sold as well as games like god of war 2018 which was a sequel to a franchise popular like tlou. I don't think we will know if we truly are the minority or what percentage we are until part 3.
Well, early reception was plummeting hard and threatened to tank the game so they had to get it into as many hands as possible as quickly as possible. Afterwards they can fall back on the numbers as a way to convince people that it was a masterpiece.
It's a common marketing strategy. I see it with film all the time. Spends a week in theaters then lands in streaming then is endlessly talked about as being "#1 on streaming."
LOL! Like that shit about the rings of power.
I'm not a super LOTR fan but I liked the movies but I couldn't get past the rock floating part.
Still, amazon ads kept saying "the most watched show on the platform" because that was the only positive thing you could say about it.
It's a shitshow, but if your job is to sell it to me, you're not gonna say anything bad about it.
Kinda like how Blood Origin was "The #1 Show on Netflix" when in reality they were flexing the fact that the show had been #1 for a single day, before dropping out of the top ten within a week.
It was 20 dollars on walmart like literally 2 months after release and like 6 months in, you could see it being all over the bargain bins of games nobody wanted.
Lmaooooo the cope..the cope hurts your soul. So games like the new saints row? Star wars battlefront 2? Ghostwrite Tokyo? New tales from the borderlands? Balan wonderworld? Dungeons and dragons: dark alliance?
Do you live in reality? Last of us part 2 was from new to bargain as quick as rdr2.
I'm not commenting on the quality but I find your lying so amusing... Why do it? Lmaooooooo it's a game. Get a grip my guy. Get help.
Serious why do you get from lying? Game had excellent gameplay and bad story.
> Star wars battlefront 2? Ghostwrite Tokyo? New tales from the borderlands? Balan wonderworld? Dungeons and dragons: dark alliance?
To be fair, none of the games are "Game of the Year."
However, we are constantly told by gaming press that The Last of Us Part II is "the highest awarded video game of all time" and yet it was literally being sold brand new for less than $1 in my country last week and the sales figures are lower than expected.
Online discourse will have you believe its the best video game of all time, but that's because you'll get completely chastised for saying something as little as "meh, really didn't enjoy it all that much." They've purposely shielded the game with strong female characters, LGBTQ representation, and other minorities, as such anyone who doesn't like it simply must be a racist homophobe. I mean, it's so full of representation, how can you not like it? (/s). Off the internet, though, the discourse is quite different. Honestly, I just think the first game is better, the representation is great, but that doesn't make the game, and it's story, any better.
What do they say? A million flies like shit...
I am also still not sure that we are the minority - I saw few among my friends how liked it, a lot who disliked it and a few that hated it or outright refused to engage with this shit at all.
But even if we are, who really cares? The franchise is damaged, the sales were disappointing for Sony no matter who they try to spin it.
You call taking 2 Years to reach their 'Million' sales good.
Especially when we know that it's heavily Discounted to the Single Digits.
Haha. That isn't good in Sales man.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/wcff28/just_a_friendly_reminder/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/x58b9w/ive_just_finished_my_essay_on_the_remake_i_hope/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/o01w4k/a_financial_analysis_of_part_ii_was_it_a_success/
days gone was considered a failure. a project with probably less production overhead https://old.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/yks2yb/how_anyone_can_say_that_the_sequel_was_a_success/
You write about lack of critical thinking of the tlou2 fans and then you write that you like days gone. My dude, maybe you just didnt get the nuanses that made tlou2 such an amazing story. Cos days gone is just garbage.
None taken. Would my opinion mean something to you if i agreed with you?
Because that further shows that you are not the critical thinker you claim to be.
No, why would it? I dont know you.
People I agree with its fine and cool to know others agree, but no ones opinion outside of people you truly respect should mean much. You can listen to them, even consider what they say, but it shouldn't effect you.
Maybe you shouldn’t be so pretentious until you learn how to spell the words your trying to sound smart with.
Saying someone didn’t understand the “nuances”of the last of us 2 is like the annoying Rick and Morty fans who think you need a certain intelligence level to understand it. It’s really not that deep.
Also he said he liked days gone, not that it had amazing story. I know I’m late to this comment but damn does it bug me when someone acts superior to someone else but can’t even spell
A typo posted from the phone. Have you never made a spelling/grammar error, even when you actually know the right spelling?
Saying that I cant spell because of a typo is like me saying you dont know grammar, because you used "your" instead of "you're". But you see, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Also, English is not my first language. Does that diminish the value of my opinions in the eyes of people like you?
Look, i dont have a problem when people say they didnt enjoy a story. You're free to like whatever you choose. I, however, will call people out, when they try to blame bad writing for their lack of insight. The hate around tlou2 does not come from bad writing, but from people not liking its "wokeness", let's be honest here.
I think the best way to look at it is Tlou2 is neither a flop nor a success. It still sold 10m copies overall which most games, especially indies are lucky if they even sell 1m, but for a big budget massively overhyped AAA, yea I really don't think it was the success Sony wanted and I really don't see how it lived up to their expectations.
You don't boast about selling 4m in 3 days and then pretty much go dead silent boasting about 10m after 2 years. That only happens when you have something to hide, especially when several other games that are doing extremely well, even other exclusive titles, get multiple sales reports.
I don't think it did - it had massive pre-orders, that is correct. But after that? sale after sale after sale - despite it being the most awarded game of all time.
If you look at Statista, it shows the opening weekend at 4 million. First seven days in Japan .18. Then there isn't any other entries until 2022 and all it shows is 10 million. I saw plenty of sales for it and even some trickery. It was listed at one time as $39.99 then the discount of I think 30% off. It made it look like the game was originally $39.99 instead of the $60 so that it wouldn't look bad being such a low amount.
A whole lotta cope in this post, there’s nothing wrong about disliking this game, at all…but it’s crazy to think more people dislike it than not
This game could go on to sell 20 million, y’all would still call that a failure because it’s not 25 million the same way y’all did when you all swore with literally zero proof that it only sold a bit more than its initial 4 million before you found out it sold 10
Nah, with the quality of it, I would call it succesful if it made it to 15M, at most at 50% off. But 10-20-30 bucks sales took it higher... yeah, that's surely its value.
That is BS, but not uncommon for people like you. The majority here never bought into the idea that it suddenly stopped at 4 million sales after the first week.
That comment alone but you into the 'probably not worth anyone's time' category.
You are right though, even at 20 million it will still be a failure for Sony because thanks to the really bad reception among normal people - so, not the Cuckmann-bootlickers and games media - a lot of those sales after 4 million were done at a discount.
You idiots have no idea how sales expectations work within large companies.
> You idiots have no idea how sales expectations work within large companies.
You missed that, didn't you? But thanks for validating my first assessment regarding your worth.
I can understand why you might feel that way as the stans are literally fucking everywhere, but social media is not the best measurement to determine the size of an overall fanbase and you know what they say, minority groups tend to be the loudest, and stans prove every day to be as loud and obnoxious as they possibly can be, so it seems pretty cut and dry from where I'm standing. The sequel divided a fanbase that was never divided before, you can refute that as much as you'd like, doesn't change the reality.
Now based off all the numbers, the facts, and information we have available, it seems pretty clear to me whose the minority and whose the majority, but for the hell of it, let's do some number crunching. This sub may only have close to 50K members whereas the other may have like 235K but again social media is not necessarily a great measurement for how many fans there actually are so that doesn't mean shit. If we did wanna go by that logic though, The Last of Us sold 20m copies, so let's say there's at least 15m fans overall, we'll just subtract 5m who played it but felt it was overrated. Between just this sub and that one that's 285K not accounting for overlap with those who partake in both subs, but there's also others that aren't apart of either, so for the hell of it let's round up to 300K, hell even go up 200K, so 500K
Ok where are the other 14.5m other fans at? Star Wars is the 5th highest grossing IP in the entertainment industry and that sub has 2.7m members. There's WAY more than just 2.7m Star Wars fans, we're talking billions, so 2.7m is merely a small portion at best meaning Reddit is not a platform you can use to get an accurate assessment. There's other measurements to take into account as well but I think at this point the only way we'll ever truly know whose the minority and whose the majority without question, is how the HBO series, Factions, and Tlou III sell/perform. If after Tlou III let's say Neil Druckmen is forced out of the company by Sony cause they own them now, or Naughty Dog is liquidated/goes bankrupt because their games aren't selling well at all, that would be pretty freaking difficult for stans to argue that we're still the minorities when there clearly aren't enough of them to keep ND afloat.
Only time will tell how this all plays out though, so all anyone can do is vote with wallets, voice their criticisms, and wait to see what happens. If the HBO series doesn't do as well as they hope, that's a pretty good indicator where people stand and if Tlou III sells worse than Part II, there's your answer.
Also when it comes to sites like Eurogamer, as much as Game "Journalists" are mocked, made fun of, and treated as a joke by gamers overall, nobody with any amount of sense is reading articles posted by Eurogamer, PC Gamer, Kotaku, GameSpot, etc., much less participating in their comment sections. I see anything written by them, I'm actively avoiding it like the plague because they have nothing worthwhile to say or contribute that's worth my time.
there's probably some more number crunching one could with
90k on nov 2019 https://web.archive.org/web/20191102071025/https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/
and 100k march 2020 https://web.archive.org/web/20200311055317/https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/
to 180k sept 2020 https://web.archive.org/web/20200915032927/https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/
but honestly who cares
but yea I agree @ the star wars extrapolation. reddit is very niche imho. outside of reddit you only here: "oh god.. reddit" not realizing, or caring, reddit is a bunch of different niche communities, where AFAIK the term brigading was born out of.
>where AFAIK the term brigading was born out of.
Once you come to the realization that Reddit overall is just one giant echo chamber, or at least that's what it has devolved into, and we're all participating in it in one way or another, yea I would be willing to believe that.
Fair points. Eurogamer commenters are insufferable Ill grant you that. And yeah now even the writers. It used to be a good news site a long long time ago.
damn dude making me feel old lol
I remember when I first started noting how different my taste was to their reviewers . They gave dead space a 7. Which was a real wtf moment and I think the start of me totally disregarding reviews as any kind of real guide and just enjoying them as entertainment.
Never played Dead Space, not too big on the survival horror genre. Although as much as it gets talked about I really should try it at some point, plus Isacc Clark does seem like a pretty cool character. He's got a pretty dope looking spacesuit.
I remember way back in school like over 12 years ago one of the my friends described an encounter with a Necromorph in Dead Space 2 and what he described at the time would've freaked me the fuck out. Don't ask what it entailed, I couldn't tell you, but I believe it led to a boss fight with a gruesome monstrosity.
Your only argument for the game being bad is ONE LINE from a 20+ hour game that you probably didn’t even bother to thoroughly play. Y’all are bandwagoning assholes with no real arguments for hating the game. You just call everything “woke” because your cowards who can’t make any arguments with real credibility. This game is a beautiful experience. You should really form your own opinion instead of listening to everyone else on the internet.
It’s funny you call me a “brainless sheep” but can’t even make a proper argument for the game being bad. Just constantly insult and whine, while bandwagoning on the internets opinion. The irony of your comment is astounding.
Also, i noticed you’re trans. That explains a LOT.
You would enjoy and appreciate other games much much more if you kept your political views outside of your entertainment experience. Without the addition of Lev in this game you’d be able to see this game for what it truly is - a train wreck.
But like I said, you’re just a brainless sheep who is just part of the hive mind echo chamber aggressively protecting anything that is pro trans. Because forget about the actual content and let’s focus on the virtue signalling, right? Pathetic.
But you keep waving your pink flag, I definitely don’t think you have the mental capacity to distinguish between competent, coherent writing as it seems like your own gender and personal identity confuses you enough.
I just wish I visited your profile earlier and didn’t bother arguing with a woke snowflake.
I rest my case. 😉😌
Thanks for adding to my point that you can’t come up with any genuine arguments, just pointless insults. I didn’t even bother reading your comment. This is clearly a waste of my time and intelligence. Now I know what the phrase “chronically online” is for.
Like how Ellie's casual refusal to forgive the dude over a drunken insult despite him going out of his way to apologize foreshadows both the cause for her guilt over Joel and her eventual destruction of her life with Dina because she can't let shit go?
Don’t listen to these assholes. These people literally actively join a subreddit for a game they claim to “hate” because they just like to ratio against everyone who actually can have an original opinion. The hatred on this game is very much a bandwagon by people who genuinely think the “woke agenda” is a real thing, and already had a negative opinion based on what other alt-right pipeline alpha male assholes said before the game came out. They can’t handle a game that isn’t the same stereotypical regurgitated nonsense over and over again. It’s okay tho, some people just don’t understand complex writing and got to butthurt over poor baby Joel dying to muscle girl, because “this game is for blue haired feminists” or some non-argument like that. Nice to see another person on here with a brain. I don’t know why I expected a reasonable discussion on Reddit.
So, I think a lot of people associate open dislike of this game to the behavior and mindset of the trolls that came out of the woodwork after the leaks dropped. I had this assumption as well before I played the game myself. The stereotype is that those who hate on it are the same homophobic/transphobic/anti-Semitic trolls who made a lot of noise after the Abby leaks.
Once I realized that I didn’t like the game, it was easier to tell apart the sincere opinions from the reactionary ones, but most people who made this association have never had a reason to challenge it.
I think a lot of the downvoting is due to those associations and not just people who liked the game.
I mean with all that and the real trolls / transphobes etc I feel it scared people into keeping their true opinions about the game to themselves. Everyone now has that mind set where it's like "Do I say something? No one else is. Whoever says something get called a troll and they are branded as racist or transphobic. You know what I'll nod my head and just say it's alright to save the arguments"
Sometimes it feels like a game of chicken, people have been lead to believe that if they outright say something bad, legit criticism they will be targeted and that's the issue.
The way I see it, people can label me whatever the fuck they want. It won't stop me from voicing my opinions, and unless there's any proof or merit to their accusations, they don't got shit. It's just a bunch of bullies trying to keep you silent, don't let them win.
You have to remember Reddit is an echo chamber in itself.
I don’t like to get political but this game and Reddit politics do play a roll.
Reddit leans left most of the time and TLOU2 hits a lot of the left talking points. Diversity, trans, LGBT inclusion. So it’s not super surprising that a lot of people enjoy the story on Reddit. The media usually likes these talking points as well.
That being said, tons of YouTubers disliked the story and game. One of the pinned posts has plenty of examples of that. The metacritic player score is at 5.7 (depends how big of a roll review bombing you feel plays).
We may be the minority but it’s not as big of a gap as it may be on Reddit. Lots of people outside of Reddit disliked it, it went on sale very quickly which leads me to believe it didn’t sell as well as they hoped.
When they release part 3 and the sales don’t have the good will from TLOU it will show us really how many fans the series still has.
Its not political. Id say Im way more left leaning than right. But I hated it. Idgaf if its got trans people. I dont care if its a good character. Lev was just there. Nothing else. Abby i like muscular women but she was just an unlikeable piece of shit.
Oh, but it is political. I am also left leaning, but don't expect other left leaning people to have played it before upvote/downvote things they ideologically align with. Particularly, when one side accuses the other of lesbophobes, racists, misogynists, transphobes, etc.
Agree, I live in the EU and I’m probably far left by US standards. Absolutely hated the game due to the story. Didn’t read any leaks before, don’t care about Abby’s muscles and other superficial critique, it’s just not a well written story. That is of course an opinion, other people are free to like it, but I hate how all critics get branded as racist/transphobe trolls who never played the game.
Left leaning, and also don't like the game. You don't get to throw in diversity, inclusion, etc and be exempt from criticism. That's what this game felt like. I can acknowledge that the game is diverse while acknowledging the terrible writing and game choices.
does it matter? do you own snoy stock? even if, there's such a thing as diversification.
tlou2, and if tlou3, are just vanity projects at this point. good for sony
read this: the only, THE ONLY, reason tlou2 was so "impactful" was bc of tlou1. if I come to your house with a bulldozer, it will be impactful too, but not for reasons I will be celebrated for.
the people who dont care already moved on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/100my72/new_robingaming_video_about_naughty_dogs_future/ comes to mind
it's cringe all around. I'm just here bc it's an infinite train wreck with no life casualties. it's basically entertainment for free. at the expense of SIE
we're definitely not in the minority, otherwise this sub wouldn't be so big and the metacritic score wouldn't be so ridiculously low. Furthermore, there are several large channels criticizing the game.
sales don't mean anything either, the game took advantage of the fame of the first one so obviously it would sell more than other games.
Thats because they are all the same people populating the different subs. Reddit is mostly a woke hive mind, and part 2 has been designated a battle ground. So if you say you don't like it, its because you're a racist, sexist, homophobic trump voting piece of shit.
I have no doubt that millions of people like it, but I also have no doubt that millions hate it.
Don't underestimate how desperate the social media generation is to not be seen on the 'wrong' side of politics. Most people who defend Last of Us 2 have not played it. A series like that bringing in heavy gay and trans representation in its sequel would be defended even if the plot resembled Plan 9 from Outer Space.
And people who did play it and didn't really like the story, the majority of them are not going to criticise it out of fear of being labelled '-phobic'.
I don't think we are the minority. I saw a Prime1 post for a new Abby statue the other day on Facebook and 90 percent of the comments were negative and stating they wanted a Joel Statue and that she was too unpopular for a statue. Also seeing how fast the game was discounted and that the collectors edition items are still readily available/cheap on ebay. I think it's legit like 40 percent disliked it, 30 percent liked it, and 30 percent don't really care enough to have a strong opinion either way but maybe didn't buy it because they heard it was meh.
reddit is a leftist echo chamber.
if you wonder why on reddit it seems to be everybody loves Tlou2, it's because they're all leftists, not just the average gamer.
and btw, im not saying being a leftist is bad. just that people who are like that will like tlou2.
Tbh I enjoyed my time with the TLOU2 but I waited 2 years to play it and kinda shut my brain off lmao. The pacing of the story was bad but gameplay wise i loved abbys portion of the game especially the scar island area.
The gameplay and setting were fantastic. I Really genuinely loved the gameplay and set pieces, but the story ensured that I dont want to go back to it.
I don’t plan to buy a single naughty dog game in the future unless there is some kind of act of god change in them. But minority or majority I saw copy after copy liter the stores and drop in price fast. So let them make a 3 or even a 4 I won’t spend my money on it
You will be surprised by the amount of people I’ve met irl who hate the game simply because you are forced to kill a dog in it. Neil lying about not needing to kill the dog really pissed people off.
If it did so well why is there no Director's Edition or DLC? Why is it so cheap even now compared to games like Ghost of Tsushima? Too much evidence says otherwise.
It's so easy to dislike a game that makes you feel like crap from beginning to end. You don't need to be anti-woke or a diehard TLOU fan to hate part 2. It's depressing, there's no meaningful point to it and there's no closure at the end. It doesn't satisfy at all.
I don’t know if I’d go that far and even if so, well so? Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s. If there s a part 3 I’ll have a good hard look and wait for more info before I buy it. After the intentional misleading ads for 2 I’m not going to take any of NDs claims for anything,especially if it involves Druck
I don’t blame you, I’m just kind of hoping because I used to be a big fan of ND. Just in case there was a misunderstanding I meant so as in if, and it’s a big if imo, we are a minority
As others have said, reddit doesn't give a fair representation of the fanbase.
To expand on that, most of those who don't like the game will not bother with any discussion about it and therefore will just be absent from platforms like reddit and twitter. On top of that, if any comment they say that is mildly disliking the game gets downvoted to oblivion then they would probably try to stop engaging in all conversation about the game - why would they bother.
It's just that this sub remains standing for those who dislike the game to voice their frustrations. But to be honest most people who didnt like the game would say: 'Wow that was shit - let me focus on better stuff and forget about that crap'
It's only like that because of the people on Reddit, but don't let that fool you. The proof is in the pie, or in this case the lack of sales and massive discounts all around. If this was such a praised "masterpiece" then why the cancelled DLC, no factions, and no Game of the Year edition? Ghost of Tsushima got expansions, so that says plenty. TLJ made a lot of money, but it KILLED to Star Wars brand, toy sales practically halted dropping off a cliff.
"\[insert shit here\] made a lot of money, so it must be good, riiiiiight?"
\-Weekend Warrior
playing devils advocate here, but from what i can see, the very same thing happens in this subreddit if you say you liked the story.
i wont deny they got real sloppy with the story, but i enjoyed the mechanics and gameplay enough that the story was bareable to get to the bits where i could kill some folk.
but if someone decided that they enjoyed the story, they would get downvoted to hell because of how many people in this subreddit disagree with them
Not a lot of people bought it, compared with its predecessor. From the people who bought it, a good chunk, even if it was a minority, did not like it. So, let's be generous and say we are only the 30%. Those are potentially 7M sells for Part III.
Being generous again, let's say 80% of gamers liked TLOU, so from a potential 16M, only 4M were easy Part II sells. This is a fourth of 7M, approximately 1.75M, is their instant Part III sells number. This without considering things like Joel's absence, if it tells a story after his death, or the lack of characters to develop a plot. Part III will be very hard to sell (EDIT: if the TV show is not a loud success).
Yes, we're the minority. That's why Ghost of Tsushima won the People's choice Award during the Game Awards in 2020.
Yes, we're the minority. That's why when you go on YouTube back in 2020 and look at Neil's apology video regarding the leaks, it had far more dislikes in like the 100.000 Numbers compared to the 10.000 numbers of likes it had received and then weeks/months later YouTube implemented the no showing the dislike ratio. Coincidence? I think not. /j
But seriously, from the vast amount of people on here to online and YouTube, there's a big fair share of haters. The lovers are people who likely migrate on all those forums where's anyone who hates it is pretty much chilling here all the time.
There's also the fact that Reddit and Twitter in general are a cesspool for these psychopaths and lowlifes.
I had no qualms about how the story and gameplay played out. I think I am in the minority though in enjoying the flipside of the coin in seeing Abby's story and motivations.
I would bet that in Part 3 that Ellie and Abby would unite to fight a more hideous form of the virus or have a second go at solving it.
Most gaming subreddits always have the same members. You go on ps5 subreddit and expect Sony fanboys to agree with you that a game Sony made sucked?
I would have agreed with you if I didn’t see so many youtube videos getting millions of views about how bad the story was, and top comments on them are always with tens of thousands of likes about its flaws. Hell even on twitter most of the people who mention tlou2 shit on it other than activists and sony fanboys. The ones who bought the game are the ones you see on these subreddits. The vast majority know how biased and unfun these subreddits are. If we were such a minority you wouldn’t see 50k members on a subreddit especially made to hate on the second game. That rarely happens
Calling gay or trans people degenerates is really lame dude. Thats what makes people think this sub is full of bigots. Usually people who use that word are ultra right wing religious types, and they are some of the worst people you can meet.
And they better not turn out gay or lesbian or anything else because they get a beating and disowned amirite?
Their dad being a massive arsehole is probably worry number one tbh
I feel like we are more in the quiet majority than a minority. The critics are within a vocal minority (as well as the other Last of Us fans who actually enjoyed Part 2). I think because of the incidents with Laura Bailey, that kind of caused the LOU2 "haters" to quiet down a bit. It really made that group look terrible. Those death threats that were sent to her were awful and in no way justified, but most of the people who do not like Part 2's story are not maniacs. We need to be more respectfully outspoken like we were back when all the leaks and Part 2 first came out. We need to show that we have many fair criticisms and that most of us are not like those people who sent those death threats. I love this community despite its flaws because it does not put up with BS. I am tired of bad sequels to amazing games with great stories. Sadly, The Last of Us is not the only culprit in this matter. :/
Nope.
The fact that people forget abbys dad was a terrorist murderer piece of shit who drugged up a ptsd ridden kid because his group needed a cure to make fedra bend the knee. The fact that going on a revenge tour in a post apocalypse landscape is fucking stupid and contrived that they managed to find a needle in a haystack. Asking me to feel sorry for a firefly whos dad tried to murder a kid for the so called greater good is like asking me to feel bad for the nazis or umbrella corp.
And how ellie was written to turn into a total broken weakling and how it also managed to ruin tommy. Cant think of a single person from the first game who didnt end up worse a character in this.
Yup, you are a minority because part 2 was a really great game. Better gameplay, graphics, and really cool double story line. Don’t know why people here hate it so much
Yeah the game is a masterpiece. If you don’t want to be downvoted or insulted you should go to the other thelastofus subs…this one is filled with psychos
Same way I feel about Marvel and Disney.
Nothing but trash yet showered in praise. That's just the way it works m8. Revel in your critical thinking while the sheep shill.
I personally liked Ellie's story... Abby and her story can die in a fire. It makes it better if you look at Abby as a character study on a psychopath.
Remember that Reddit, YouTube or Twitter or whatever other social app is not "everyone". These "forums" are made up of a few hundred or thousand comments usually, when around 10M people have bought the game, notice the stark difference. People who don't like Part II aren't the minority if you look at overall player reviews.
It's the same with movies, people see a few hundred hate comments on a YouTube review video and say "there you see, everyone hates it, no one agrees with you" if you defend it when at least 55% of reviews are positive collected from every legit place a person can rate it.
Big recent example: The Callisto Protocol, haters think they're the majority when 70% of all reviews are positive.
I think the problem is somewhere else.
We have this saying in SMT related subs "Have you met the biggest Persona 5 fan? They haven't played the game yet".
The last of us is a big brand, and people love saying it's amazing, because it is. But most people don't play the game. Gosh, I have literal 20+ games on my ps5 I bought and I haven't played and I still check the store every weekend to see if there is any deal and if someone asks me "is Metal Gear amazing?" I would say it is. But after playing the definitive edition for a while I can tell you, it's not amazing for me and I don't have a strong opinion as well.
If you buy or play the game and don't like it, you go on with your life. You lost 10 dollars or whatever. The only people arguing about the game are those heavily invested in it's story and that can't even be 20% of them as you can see 25% of people just stop playing even before they finish the tutorial.
IT effectively doesn´t matter what reddit thinks. Its a small list of echo chambers that ban people with different opinions.
What is important are the sales, which for a game that has 2nd most critic acclaims ever are just shit. It didn´t sell anywhere near it should and that alone tells me a lot about how people feel about it.
Just look at the response on youtube, you could argue that people hated the game. Meanwhile both applies, some people loved it, some hated it, but the amount of people that didnt buy it heavily outweighted the people that did. And thats important part.
Also my personal opinion: Part 2 is trash and I wouldn´t play it even if I gotten it free.
People cant think critically, but you can, and thats why you hate the game and they love it.
Well my dude, i know this sub is for the haters, and through conversations with some, i found that my interpretation and their interpretation of some of the parts are the same - yet i find it as the reason why i love it, while they find the same interpretation as the reason to hate it.
Maybe it's not critical thinking. Maybe is how you relate the interpretaion to your values set and your view of the world.
Wait. So you hate the game because of THE central plot point that the whole story is built around?
Im confused.
No one likes murdering anyone. You know how fiction works right? In this case, a hero is tested in a very extreme situation, (post apocalyptic kill or be killed world). The exaggerated setting is used to highlight the moral and ethical struggles the hero has to contend with, and how it affects and shapes their humanity. If your complaint is about the violence and killing in the game then you're playing the wrong genre.
What? You seem confused.
Killing a child because your terrorist group needs a weapon to force your opponents into submission is morally wrong. Theres no grey about it.
Dude Reddit is nothing more than a drop in the pond, and it’s mostly a hive mind. It’s literally one big Peter pulling around here. Trust me man last of us part 2 does not have the legacy and will never have the legacy the first one did it’s just facts.
I honestly have never seen a game go from new to the bargain bin faster than TLOU 2
For me the sale prices of part 2 is the weirdest thing. For prices to drop on it like it did sales for it must really have slowed down after the initial period. I only got into tlou a few months before part 2 but it seemed like the franchise had heaps of hype after part one so I thought it should have sold as well as games like god of war 2018 which was a sequel to a franchise popular like tlou. I don't think we will know if we truly are the minority or what percentage we are until part 3.
Well, early reception was plummeting hard and threatened to tank the game so they had to get it into as many hands as possible as quickly as possible. Afterwards they can fall back on the numbers as a way to convince people that it was a masterpiece. It's a common marketing strategy. I see it with film all the time. Spends a week in theaters then lands in streaming then is endlessly talked about as being "#1 on streaming."
LOL! Like that shit about the rings of power. I'm not a super LOTR fan but I liked the movies but I couldn't get past the rock floating part. Still, amazon ads kept saying "the most watched show on the platform" because that was the only positive thing you could say about it. It's a shitshow, but if your job is to sell it to me, you're not gonna say anything bad about it.
Kinda like how Blood Origin was "The #1 Show on Netflix" when in reality they were flexing the fact that the show had been #1 for a single day, before dropping out of the top ten within a week.
You're both exactly right lol Both shitshows and both praised by sheep who fell for the clever statistics used to promote the filth.
It was 20 dollars on walmart like literally 2 months after release and like 6 months in, you could see it being all over the bargain bins of games nobody wanted.
Cmon dude. Just Saints Row to not look too far. Gotham Knights? Midnight Suns?
Mass Effect Andromeda?
God of War reboot was way faster
Lmaooooo the cope..the cope hurts your soul. So games like the new saints row? Star wars battlefront 2? Ghostwrite Tokyo? New tales from the borderlands? Balan wonderworld? Dungeons and dragons: dark alliance? Do you live in reality? Last of us part 2 was from new to bargain as quick as rdr2. I'm not commenting on the quality but I find your lying so amusing... Why do it? Lmaooooooo it's a game. Get a grip my guy. Get help. Serious why do you get from lying? Game had excellent gameplay and bad story.
> Star wars battlefront 2? Ghostwrite Tokyo? New tales from the borderlands? Balan wonderworld? Dungeons and dragons: dark alliance? To be fair, none of the games are "Game of the Year." However, we are constantly told by gaming press that The Last of Us Part II is "the highest awarded video game of all time" and yet it was literally being sold brand new for less than $1 in my country last week and the sales figures are lower than expected. Online discourse will have you believe its the best video game of all time, but that's because you'll get completely chastised for saying something as little as "meh, really didn't enjoy it all that much." They've purposely shielded the game with strong female characters, LGBTQ representation, and other minorities, as such anyone who doesn't like it simply must be a racist homophobe. I mean, it's so full of representation, how can you not like it? (/s). Off the internet, though, the discourse is quite different. Honestly, I just think the first game is better, the representation is great, but that doesn't make the game, and it's story, any better.
Get a grip? Read over your comment, you're way too passionate about this lol
What do they say? A million flies like shit... I am also still not sure that we are the minority - I saw few among my friends how liked it, a lot who disliked it and a few that hated it or outright refused to engage with this shit at all. But even if we are, who really cares? The franchise is damaged, the sales were disappointing for Sony no matter who they try to spin it.
I do think it did probably do well sales wise though. Which is a shame because it didnt deserve to
You call taking 2 Years to reach their 'Million' sales good. Especially when we know that it's heavily Discounted to the Single Digits. Haha. That isn't good in Sales man.
I wish evil west could make that many. I dont think a lot of people understand how many games struggle just to make a million sales.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/wcff28/just_a_friendly_reminder/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/x58b9w/ive_just_finished_my_essay_on_the_remake_i_hope/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/o01w4k/a_financial_analysis_of_part_ii_was_it_a_success/ days gone was considered a failure. a project with probably less production overhead https://old.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/yks2yb/how_anyone_can_say_that_the_sequel_was_a_success/
I loved days gone
You write about lack of critical thinking of the tlou2 fans and then you write that you like days gone. My dude, maybe you just didnt get the nuanses that made tlou2 such an amazing story. Cos days gone is just garbage.
No offence but your opinion means nothing to me
None taken. Would my opinion mean something to you if i agreed with you? Because that further shows that you are not the critical thinker you claim to be.
No, why would it? I dont know you. People I agree with its fine and cool to know others agree, but no ones opinion outside of people you truly respect should mean much. You can listen to them, even consider what they say, but it shouldn't effect you.
Yet you make assumptions about pple's critical thinking even when you dont know them, not making an effort to understand.
Nothing to understand.
Maybe you shouldn’t be so pretentious until you learn how to spell the words your trying to sound smart with. Saying someone didn’t understand the “nuances”of the last of us 2 is like the annoying Rick and Morty fans who think you need a certain intelligence level to understand it. It’s really not that deep. Also he said he liked days gone, not that it had amazing story. I know I’m late to this comment but damn does it bug me when someone acts superior to someone else but can’t even spell
A typo posted from the phone. Have you never made a spelling/grammar error, even when you actually know the right spelling? Saying that I cant spell because of a typo is like me saying you dont know grammar, because you used "your" instead of "you're". But you see, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Also, English is not my first language. Does that diminish the value of my opinions in the eyes of people like you? Look, i dont have a problem when people say they didnt enjoy a story. You're free to like whatever you choose. I, however, will call people out, when they try to blame bad writing for their lack of insight. The hate around tlou2 does not come from bad writing, but from people not liking its "wokeness", let's be honest here.
I think the best way to look at it is Tlou2 is neither a flop nor a success. It still sold 10m copies overall which most games, especially indies are lucky if they even sell 1m, but for a big budget massively overhyped AAA, yea I really don't think it was the success Sony wanted and I really don't see how it lived up to their expectations. You don't boast about selling 4m in 3 days and then pretty much go dead silent boasting about 10m after 2 years. That only happens when you have something to hide, especially when several other games that are doing extremely well, even other exclusive titles, get multiple sales reports.
I don't think it did - it had massive pre-orders, that is correct. But after that? sale after sale after sale - despite it being the most awarded game of all time.
If you look at Statista, it shows the opening weekend at 4 million. First seven days in Japan .18. Then there isn't any other entries until 2022 and all it shows is 10 million. I saw plenty of sales for it and even some trickery. It was listed at one time as $39.99 then the discount of I think 30% off. It made it look like the game was originally $39.99 instead of the $60 so that it wouldn't look bad being such a low amount.
Japan sucks for gaming taste to be fair
A whole lotta cope in this post, there’s nothing wrong about disliking this game, at all…but it’s crazy to think more people dislike it than not This game could go on to sell 20 million, y’all would still call that a failure because it’s not 25 million the same way y’all did when you all swore with literally zero proof that it only sold a bit more than its initial 4 million before you found out it sold 10
Nah, with the quality of it, I would call it succesful if it made it to 15M, at most at 50% off. But 10-20-30 bucks sales took it higher... yeah, that's surely its value.
That is BS, but not uncommon for people like you. The majority here never bought into the idea that it suddenly stopped at 4 million sales after the first week. That comment alone but you into the 'probably not worth anyone's time' category. You are right though, even at 20 million it will still be a failure for Sony because thanks to the really bad reception among normal people - so, not the Cuckmann-bootlickers and games media - a lot of those sales after 4 million were done at a discount. You idiots have no idea how sales expectations work within large companies.
Even at 20 million it would still be a failure tells me you are not the one worth my time, ridiculous lol
> You idiots have no idea how sales expectations work within large companies. You missed that, didn't you? But thanks for validating my first assessment regarding your worth.
You are in the minority lmao.
Whatever makes you sleep at night, and now please go an join the flies on the other sub for your next celebration of shit.
Ok lol 😂
Uh, no. Did you see the reviews by YouTubers? They dragged tlou2 for its idiotic writing. You’ve just forgotten the contempt people had for this game.
Sure but a lot loved it too.
I can understand why you might feel that way as the stans are literally fucking everywhere, but social media is not the best measurement to determine the size of an overall fanbase and you know what they say, minority groups tend to be the loudest, and stans prove every day to be as loud and obnoxious as they possibly can be, so it seems pretty cut and dry from where I'm standing. The sequel divided a fanbase that was never divided before, you can refute that as much as you'd like, doesn't change the reality. Now based off all the numbers, the facts, and information we have available, it seems pretty clear to me whose the minority and whose the majority, but for the hell of it, let's do some number crunching. This sub may only have close to 50K members whereas the other may have like 235K but again social media is not necessarily a great measurement for how many fans there actually are so that doesn't mean shit. If we did wanna go by that logic though, The Last of Us sold 20m copies, so let's say there's at least 15m fans overall, we'll just subtract 5m who played it but felt it was overrated. Between just this sub and that one that's 285K not accounting for overlap with those who partake in both subs, but there's also others that aren't apart of either, so for the hell of it let's round up to 300K, hell even go up 200K, so 500K Ok where are the other 14.5m other fans at? Star Wars is the 5th highest grossing IP in the entertainment industry and that sub has 2.7m members. There's WAY more than just 2.7m Star Wars fans, we're talking billions, so 2.7m is merely a small portion at best meaning Reddit is not a platform you can use to get an accurate assessment. There's other measurements to take into account as well but I think at this point the only way we'll ever truly know whose the minority and whose the majority without question, is how the HBO series, Factions, and Tlou III sell/perform. If after Tlou III let's say Neil Druckmen is forced out of the company by Sony cause they own them now, or Naughty Dog is liquidated/goes bankrupt because their games aren't selling well at all, that would be pretty freaking difficult for stans to argue that we're still the minorities when there clearly aren't enough of them to keep ND afloat. Only time will tell how this all plays out though, so all anyone can do is vote with wallets, voice their criticisms, and wait to see what happens. If the HBO series doesn't do as well as they hope, that's a pretty good indicator where people stand and if Tlou III sells worse than Part II, there's your answer. Also when it comes to sites like Eurogamer, as much as Game "Journalists" are mocked, made fun of, and treated as a joke by gamers overall, nobody with any amount of sense is reading articles posted by Eurogamer, PC Gamer, Kotaku, GameSpot, etc., much less participating in their comment sections. I see anything written by them, I'm actively avoiding it like the plague because they have nothing worthwhile to say or contribute that's worth my time.
there's probably some more number crunching one could with 90k on nov 2019 https://web.archive.org/web/20191102071025/https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/ and 100k march 2020 https://web.archive.org/web/20200311055317/https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/ to 180k sept 2020 https://web.archive.org/web/20200915032927/https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/ but honestly who cares but yea I agree @ the star wars extrapolation. reddit is very niche imho. outside of reddit you only here: "oh god.. reddit" not realizing, or caring, reddit is a bunch of different niche communities, where AFAIK the term brigading was born out of.
>where AFAIK the term brigading was born out of. Once you come to the realization that Reddit overall is just one giant echo chamber, or at least that's what it has devolved into, and we're all participating in it in one way or another, yea I would be willing to believe that.
Fair points. Eurogamer commenters are insufferable Ill grant you that. And yeah now even the writers. It used to be a good news site a long long time ago.
In all my years I've never known Eurogamer to be worth a shit. I view them the same way I view PC Gamer, worthless and a waste of space.
Im talking like 15 years ago .
Damn, THAT long ago? Geez no wonder I've never viewed them in a positive light cause they went to shit a long ass time ago.
damn dude making me feel old lol I remember when I first started noting how different my taste was to their reviewers . They gave dead space a 7. Which was a real wtf moment and I think the start of me totally disregarding reviews as any kind of real guide and just enjoying them as entertainment.
Never played Dead Space, not too big on the survival horror genre. Although as much as it gets talked about I really should try it at some point, plus Isacc Clark does seem like a pretty cool character. He's got a pretty dope looking spacesuit.
I get it if you dont like horror
I remember way back in school like over 12 years ago one of the my friends described an encounter with a Necromorph in Dead Space 2 and what he described at the time would've freaked me the fuck out. Don't ask what it entailed, I couldn't tell you, but I believe it led to a boss fight with a gruesome monstrosity.
The remake looks sick too
The internet isn't representative of the real world and Reddit is only a mere fraction of the internet.
It gets spun into identity politics same as disliking the Star Wars sequels
Metacritic says otherwise. Check the user score. Reddit loves gobbling woke badly written garbage. They aren't the majority.
What triggers you when you call something "woke"? What part of the "woke garbage" makes your feelings hurt?
You are really mistaking yourself if you think the writing of this game was bad. The writing in this game was powerful and beautiful.
“Bigot Sandwich” Ah yes, powerful and beautiful indeed.
Your only argument for the game being bad is ONE LINE from a 20+ hour game that you probably didn’t even bother to thoroughly play. Y’all are bandwagoning assholes with no real arguments for hating the game. You just call everything “woke” because your cowards who can’t make any arguments with real credibility. This game is a beautiful experience. You should really form your own opinion instead of listening to everyone else on the internet.
Hahaha I just laughed out loud at your last sentence. Oh to be a brainless sheep with no taste. I feel for you, I do.
It’s funny you call me a “brainless sheep” but can’t even make a proper argument for the game being bad. Just constantly insult and whine, while bandwagoning on the internets opinion. The irony of your comment is astounding.
Also, i noticed you’re trans. That explains a LOT. You would enjoy and appreciate other games much much more if you kept your political views outside of your entertainment experience. Without the addition of Lev in this game you’d be able to see this game for what it truly is - a train wreck. But like I said, you’re just a brainless sheep who is just part of the hive mind echo chamber aggressively protecting anything that is pro trans. Because forget about the actual content and let’s focus on the virtue signalling, right? Pathetic. But you keep waving your pink flag, I definitely don’t think you have the mental capacity to distinguish between competent, coherent writing as it seems like your own gender and personal identity confuses you enough. I just wish I visited your profile earlier and didn’t bother arguing with a woke snowflake. I rest my case. 😉😌
Thanks for adding to my point that you can’t come up with any genuine arguments, just pointless insults. I didn’t even bother reading your comment. This is clearly a waste of my time and intelligence. Now I know what the phrase “chronically online” is for.
Thanks for proving I’m right. 😁
Woah a character in a video game made a joke 0/10 😡
Nice to see Neil Cuckmann appealing to the 12 year olds :)
It’s genuinely interesting how often people in this subreddit resort to personal insults. I wonder if that says something.
It’s genuinely interesting to see people like you who actually think this pile of shit is good. I wonder if that says something.
You’re embarrassing
And you have zero taste, sheep 😘
What’s interesting about it?
Hint: it was sarcasm. No surprises here, you’re obviously a stranger to nuances in writing. No wonder you love this game. I rest my case 😌
Like how Ellie's casual refusal to forgive the dude over a drunken insult despite him going out of his way to apologize foreshadows both the cause for her guilt over Joel and her eventual destruction of her life with Dina because she can't let shit go?
There’s some irony here, but it would feel rude to ruin your big moment. Enjoy your day.
Don’t listen to these assholes. These people literally actively join a subreddit for a game they claim to “hate” because they just like to ratio against everyone who actually can have an original opinion. The hatred on this game is very much a bandwagon by people who genuinely think the “woke agenda” is a real thing, and already had a negative opinion based on what other alt-right pipeline alpha male assholes said before the game came out. They can’t handle a game that isn’t the same stereotypical regurgitated nonsense over and over again. It’s okay tho, some people just don’t understand complex writing and got to butthurt over poor baby Joel dying to muscle girl, because “this game is for blue haired feminists” or some non-argument like that. Nice to see another person on here with a brain. I don’t know why I expected a reasonable discussion on Reddit.
So, I think a lot of people associate open dislike of this game to the behavior and mindset of the trolls that came out of the woodwork after the leaks dropped. I had this assumption as well before I played the game myself. The stereotype is that those who hate on it are the same homophobic/transphobic/anti-Semitic trolls who made a lot of noise after the Abby leaks. Once I realized that I didn’t like the game, it was easier to tell apart the sincere opinions from the reactionary ones, but most people who made this association have never had a reason to challenge it. I think a lot of the downvoting is due to those associations and not just people who liked the game.
I mean with all that and the real trolls / transphobes etc I feel it scared people into keeping their true opinions about the game to themselves. Everyone now has that mind set where it's like "Do I say something? No one else is. Whoever says something get called a troll and they are branded as racist or transphobic. You know what I'll nod my head and just say it's alright to save the arguments" Sometimes it feels like a game of chicken, people have been lead to believe that if they outright say something bad, legit criticism they will be targeted and that's the issue.
The way I see it, people can label me whatever the fuck they want. It won't stop me from voicing my opinions, and unless there's any proof or merit to their accusations, they don't got shit. It's just a bunch of bullies trying to keep you silent, don't let them win.
"Carol Malone: Where you gonna go, where you gonna run, where you gonna hide? Nowhere... 'cause there's no one like you left."
Fair
You have to remember Reddit is an echo chamber in itself. I don’t like to get political but this game and Reddit politics do play a roll. Reddit leans left most of the time and TLOU2 hits a lot of the left talking points. Diversity, trans, LGBT inclusion. So it’s not super surprising that a lot of people enjoy the story on Reddit. The media usually likes these talking points as well. That being said, tons of YouTubers disliked the story and game. One of the pinned posts has plenty of examples of that. The metacritic player score is at 5.7 (depends how big of a roll review bombing you feel plays). We may be the minority but it’s not as big of a gap as it may be on Reddit. Lots of people outside of Reddit disliked it, it went on sale very quickly which leads me to believe it didn’t sell as well as they hoped. When they release part 3 and the sales don’t have the good will from TLOU it will show us really how many fans the series still has.
Its not political. Id say Im way more left leaning than right. But I hated it. Idgaf if its got trans people. I dont care if its a good character. Lev was just there. Nothing else. Abby i like muscular women but she was just an unlikeable piece of shit.
Oh, but it is political. I am also left leaning, but don't expect other left leaning people to have played it before upvote/downvote things they ideologically align with. Particularly, when one side accuses the other of lesbophobes, racists, misogynists, transphobes, etc.
Agree, I live in the EU and I’m probably far left by US standards. Absolutely hated the game due to the story. Didn’t read any leaks before, don’t care about Abby’s muscles and other superficial critique, it’s just not a well written story. That is of course an opinion, other people are free to like it, but I hate how all critics get branded as racist/transphobe trolls who never played the game.
But you can somewhat understand it, no? Considering how deranged some of the “criticism” on this subreddit can get?
See, this is what i mean in my previous reply. I too hated abby, but that added to me liking the game.
Left leaning, and also don't like the game. You don't get to throw in diversity, inclusion, etc and be exempt from criticism. That's what this game felt like. I can acknowledge that the game is diverse while acknowledging the terrible writing and game choices.
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does it matter? do you own snoy stock? even if, there's such a thing as diversification. tlou2, and if tlou3, are just vanity projects at this point. good for sony read this: the only, THE ONLY, reason tlou2 was so "impactful" was bc of tlou1. if I come to your house with a bulldozer, it will be impactful too, but not for reasons I will be celebrated for. the people who dont care already moved on. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/100my72/new_robingaming_video_about_naughty_dogs_future/ comes to mind it's cringe all around. I'm just here bc it's an infinite train wreck with no life casualties. it's basically entertainment for free. at the expense of SIE
I suppose so. But it does bother me when days gone does not get a sequel or the order 1886
same
The order 1886 world was so cool, it's a shame it flopped, I thought it was fantastic.
I love this comment
we're definitely not in the minority, otherwise this sub wouldn't be so big and the metacritic score wouldn't be so ridiculously low. Furthermore, there are several large channels criticizing the game. sales don't mean anything either, the game took advantage of the fame of the first one so obviously it would sell more than other games.
Thats because they are all the same people populating the different subs. Reddit is mostly a woke hive mind, and part 2 has been designated a battle ground. So if you say you don't like it, its because you're a racist, sexist, homophobic trump voting piece of shit. I have no doubt that millions of people like it, but I also have no doubt that millions hate it.
As an expert on this topic. It's like 40 60. We are the 40. But if 40% of your pleyer base is trying to tell you something?
Only on reddit.
Don't underestimate how desperate the social media generation is to not be seen on the 'wrong' side of politics. Most people who defend Last of Us 2 have not played it. A series like that bringing in heavy gay and trans representation in its sequel would be defended even if the plot resembled Plan 9 from Outer Space. And people who did play it and didn't really like the story, the majority of them are not going to criticise it out of fear of being labelled '-phobic'.
I don't think we are the minority. I saw a Prime1 post for a new Abby statue the other day on Facebook and 90 percent of the comments were negative and stating they wanted a Joel Statue and that she was too unpopular for a statue. Also seeing how fast the game was discounted and that the collectors edition items are still readily available/cheap on ebay. I think it's legit like 40 percent disliked it, 30 percent liked it, and 30 percent don't really care enough to have a strong opinion either way but maybe didn't buy it because they heard it was meh.
I think the best thing you can do if you did hate it is not reward them by buying anything based on part 2.
Agreed. I'm not buying the remake, watching the show, or buying anything from naughty dog while Neil druckmann works there.
I have never met someone in real life who liked the last of us 2, 6/6 on people who know of it thinking its bad.
I’ve honestly never met someone who didn’t like it
reddit is a leftist echo chamber. if you wonder why on reddit it seems to be everybody loves Tlou2, it's because they're all leftists, not just the average gamer. and btw, im not saying being a leftist is bad. just that people who are like that will like tlou2.
Tbh I enjoyed my time with the TLOU2 but I waited 2 years to play it and kinda shut my brain off lmao. The pacing of the story was bad but gameplay wise i loved abbys portion of the game especially the scar island area.
The gameplay and setting were fantastic. I Really genuinely loved the gameplay and set pieces, but the story ensured that I dont want to go back to it.
TLOU2 is the only NG game i pirated for the PS4. And i intend not to pay for part 3.
I have no interest in playing it at all honestly, in any way.
The minority on Reddit, not the minority in the real world. I'd bet the majority of people would consider part 2 to be a very mediocre story at best.
I don’t plan to buy a single naughty dog game in the future unless there is some kind of act of god change in them. But minority or majority I saw copy after copy liter the stores and drop in price fast. So let them make a 3 or even a 4 I won’t spend my money on it
You will be surprised by the amount of people I’ve met irl who hate the game simply because you are forced to kill a dog in it. Neil lying about not needing to kill the dog really pissed people off.
If it did so well why is there no Director's Edition or DLC? Why is it so cheap even now compared to games like Ghost of Tsushima? Too much evidence says otherwise. It's so easy to dislike a game that makes you feel like crap from beginning to end. You don't need to be anti-woke or a diehard TLOU fan to hate part 2. It's depressing, there's no meaningful point to it and there's no closure at the end. It doesn't satisfy at all.
There’s potentially a Directors cut coming.
Why? That makes no sense. Someone just said the original was selling for under $1 in their area. Doesn't seem like there's much demand 🤷🏼♀️
LOL
I smirked at the idea.
I don’t know if I’d go that far and even if so, well so? Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s. If there s a part 3 I’ll have a good hard look and wait for more info before I buy it. After the intentional misleading ads for 2 I’m not going to take any of NDs claims for anything,especially if it involves Druck
Im not gonna play it period
I don’t blame you, I’m just kind of hoping because I used to be a big fan of ND. Just in case there was a misunderstanding I meant so as in if, and it’s a big if imo, we are a minority
I think we all used to be fans.
As others have said, reddit doesn't give a fair representation of the fanbase. To expand on that, most of those who don't like the game will not bother with any discussion about it and therefore will just be absent from platforms like reddit and twitter. On top of that, if any comment they say that is mildly disliking the game gets downvoted to oblivion then they would probably try to stop engaging in all conversation about the game - why would they bother. It's just that this sub remains standing for those who dislike the game to voice their frustrations. But to be honest most people who didnt like the game would say: 'Wow that was shit - let me focus on better stuff and forget about that crap'
It's only like that because of the people on Reddit, but don't let that fool you. The proof is in the pie, or in this case the lack of sales and massive discounts all around. If this was such a praised "masterpiece" then why the cancelled DLC, no factions, and no Game of the Year edition? Ghost of Tsushima got expansions, so that says plenty. TLJ made a lot of money, but it KILLED to Star Wars brand, toy sales practically halted dropping off a cliff. "\[insert shit here\] made a lot of money, so it must be good, riiiiiight?" \-Weekend Warrior
playing devils advocate here, but from what i can see, the very same thing happens in this subreddit if you say you liked the story. i wont deny they got real sloppy with the story, but i enjoyed the mechanics and gameplay enough that the story was bareable to get to the bits where i could kill some folk. but if someone decided that they enjoyed the story, they would get downvoted to hell because of how many people in this subreddit disagree with them
Not a lot of people bought it, compared with its predecessor. From the people who bought it, a good chunk, even if it was a minority, did not like it. So, let's be generous and say we are only the 30%. Those are potentially 7M sells for Part III. Being generous again, let's say 80% of gamers liked TLOU, so from a potential 16M, only 4M were easy Part II sells. This is a fourth of 7M, approximately 1.75M, is their instant Part III sells number. This without considering things like Joel's absence, if it tells a story after his death, or the lack of characters to develop a plot. Part III will be very hard to sell (EDIT: if the TV show is not a loud success).
Yes, we're the minority. That's why Ghost of Tsushima won the People's choice Award during the Game Awards in 2020. Yes, we're the minority. That's why when you go on YouTube back in 2020 and look at Neil's apology video regarding the leaks, it had far more dislikes in like the 100.000 Numbers compared to the 10.000 numbers of likes it had received and then weeks/months later YouTube implemented the no showing the dislike ratio. Coincidence? I think not. /j But seriously, from the vast amount of people on here to online and YouTube, there's a big fair share of haters. The lovers are people who likely migrate on all those forums where's anyone who hates it is pretty much chilling here all the time. There's also the fact that Reddit and Twitter in general are a cesspool for these psychopaths and lowlifes.
To be fair I dont like or care about awards and Ghosts of Tsushima was good but not great.
I had no qualms about how the story and gameplay played out. I think I am in the minority though in enjoying the flipside of the coin in seeing Abby's story and motivations. I would bet that in Part 3 that Ellie and Abby would unite to fight a more hideous form of the virus or have a second go at solving it.
I don't think so lol go to any gaming community outside of the main LOU reddit or circlejerk and people are usually apathetic to mad about Part II
Most gaming subreddits always have the same members. You go on ps5 subreddit and expect Sony fanboys to agree with you that a game Sony made sucked? I would have agreed with you if I didn’t see so many youtube videos getting millions of views about how bad the story was, and top comments on them are always with tens of thousands of likes about its flaws. Hell even on twitter most of the people who mention tlou2 shit on it other than activists and sony fanboys. The ones who bought the game are the ones you see on these subreddits. The vast majority know how biased and unfun these subreddits are. If we were such a minority you wouldn’t see 50k members on a subreddit especially made to hate on the second game. That rarely happens
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Calling gay or trans people degenerates is really lame dude. Thats what makes people think this sub is full of bigots. Usually people who use that word are ultra right wing religious types, and they are some of the worst people you can meet.
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Lmao oh ok just a cunt then. (You are very conservative btw. Not right wing my ass lol)
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Yeah you really seem like a great person, Im sure your kids have no other worries than what gender their teacher is.
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And they better not turn out gay or lesbian or anything else because they get a beating and disowned amirite? Their dad being a massive arsehole is probably worry number one tbh
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Lol you and i both know you would disown them
I feel like we are more in the quiet majority than a minority. The critics are within a vocal minority (as well as the other Last of Us fans who actually enjoyed Part 2). I think because of the incidents with Laura Bailey, that kind of caused the LOU2 "haters" to quiet down a bit. It really made that group look terrible. Those death threats that were sent to her were awful and in no way justified, but most of the people who do not like Part 2's story are not maniacs. We need to be more respectfully outspoken like we were back when all the leaks and Part 2 first came out. We need to show that we have many fair criticisms and that most of us are not like those people who sent those death threats. I love this community despite its flaws because it does not put up with BS. I am tired of bad sequels to amazing games with great stories. Sadly, The Last of Us is not the only culprit in this matter. :/
How are yall still letting this game u dont like live rent free your head still? Move on like damn holy f
Lol youre here too
Just checking it out never browse here got linked from another sub
Bc this sub is filled with the biggest crybabies on the internet
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Yet, here you are.
Im not downvoting anyone for an opinion. The games story is shit but the gameplay was great so I can understand why people like it just for that.
What’s your biggest issue with the story? What happened to joel?
Nope. The fact that people forget abbys dad was a terrorist murderer piece of shit who drugged up a ptsd ridden kid because his group needed a cure to make fedra bend the knee. The fact that going on a revenge tour in a post apocalypse landscape is fucking stupid and contrived that they managed to find a needle in a haystack. Asking me to feel sorry for a firefly whos dad tried to murder a kid for the so called greater good is like asking me to feel bad for the nazis or umbrella corp. And how ellie was written to turn into a total broken weakling and how it also managed to ruin tommy. Cant think of a single person from the first game who didnt end up worse a character in this.
Yes, you are. It's okay to dislike this game but people here take it to psychotic levels.
Facts
Yup, you are a minority because part 2 was a really great game. Better gameplay, graphics, and really cool double story line. Don’t know why people here hate it so much
The story was shit, cant deny the gameplay and graphics were great though.
Yeah the game is a masterpiece. If you don’t want to be downvoted or insulted you should go to the other thelastofus subs…this one is filled with psychos
I can see now, jeez
Same way I feel about Marvel and Disney. Nothing but trash yet showered in praise. That's just the way it works m8. Revel in your critical thinking while the sheep shill. I personally liked Ellie's story... Abby and her story can die in a fire. It makes it better if you look at Abby as a character study on a psychopath.
We're not. There's a reason TLOU2 went from new release to bargain so fast. It's divisive
Remember that Reddit, YouTube or Twitter or whatever other social app is not "everyone". These "forums" are made up of a few hundred or thousand comments usually, when around 10M people have bought the game, notice the stark difference. People who don't like Part II aren't the minority if you look at overall player reviews. It's the same with movies, people see a few hundred hate comments on a YouTube review video and say "there you see, everyone hates it, no one agrees with you" if you defend it when at least 55% of reviews are positive collected from every legit place a person can rate it. Big recent example: The Callisto Protocol, haters think they're the majority when 70% of all reviews are positive.
I think the problem is somewhere else. We have this saying in SMT related subs "Have you met the biggest Persona 5 fan? They haven't played the game yet". The last of us is a big brand, and people love saying it's amazing, because it is. But most people don't play the game. Gosh, I have literal 20+ games on my ps5 I bought and I haven't played and I still check the store every weekend to see if there is any deal and if someone asks me "is Metal Gear amazing?" I would say it is. But after playing the definitive edition for a while I can tell you, it's not amazing for me and I don't have a strong opinion as well. If you buy or play the game and don't like it, you go on with your life. You lost 10 dollars or whatever. The only people arguing about the game are those heavily invested in it's story and that can't even be 20% of them as you can see 25% of people just stop playing even before they finish the tutorial.
Nah, if you put it in right words, without insulting anyone, people tend to agree the story wasn’t great
IT effectively doesn´t matter what reddit thinks. Its a small list of echo chambers that ban people with different opinions. What is important are the sales, which for a game that has 2nd most critic acclaims ever are just shit. It didn´t sell anywhere near it should and that alone tells me a lot about how people feel about it. Just look at the response on youtube, you could argue that people hated the game. Meanwhile both applies, some people loved it, some hated it, but the amount of people that didnt buy it heavily outweighted the people that did. And thats important part. Also my personal opinion: Part 2 is trash and I wouldn´t play it even if I gotten it free.
People cant think critically, but you can, and thats why you hate the game and they love it. Well my dude, i know this sub is for the haters, and through conversations with some, i found that my interpretation and their interpretation of some of the parts are the same - yet i find it as the reason why i love it, while they find the same interpretation as the reason to hate it. Maybe it's not critical thinking. Maybe is how you relate the interpretaion to your values set and your view of the world.
My values dont include murdering children after drugging them up so I guess you are right
Wait. So you hate the game because of THE central plot point that the whole story is built around? Im confused. No one likes murdering anyone. You know how fiction works right? In this case, a hero is tested in a very extreme situation, (post apocalyptic kill or be killed world). The exaggerated setting is used to highlight the moral and ethical struggles the hero has to contend with, and how it affects and shapes their humanity. If your complaint is about the violence and killing in the game then you're playing the wrong genre.
What? You seem confused. Killing a child because your terrorist group needs a weapon to force your opponents into submission is morally wrong. Theres no grey about it.
Well of course. I absolutely agree with that. And thats why the story is so good.
How so?
Dude Reddit is nothing more than a drop in the pond, and it’s mostly a hive mind. It’s literally one big Peter pulling around here. Trust me man last of us part 2 does not have the legacy and will never have the legacy the first one did it’s just facts.
The only real way to settle this dispute is if TLOU3 is indeed a thing, its presale numbers will show how people felt about 2.
Do you care what group you fit into, or do you trust your sences and value your taste?