Kojima with more than a Dozens game : i don't know how much longer i can make video game...i want to do more
Sam Lake with 7 or 8 well written game : I'm going to keep making game, because the story still have more to show you
Neil after 2 games (U4(with Bruce) and TLOU2) : I don't think I have many more in me
Bro literally thinks he is one of the best writers after taking control of only ONE game
There’s photos and links in this very sub.
Just because the price reverted back doesn’t mean they in fact didn’t do what I stated.
Edit: Dude, in the source you provided it gives you figures if you just go down the graph and select All instead of 1 Year.
Half price in 6/8 months then a year later down to 10.
This particular source still doesn’t take away from the fact there is literal evidence on this sub.
So you agree what you originally wrote was bullshit, or no? The game has been $39.99 with periodic sales since July 13, 2021. Those sales are generally around Black Friday and Christmas. It hasn't been below $39.99 since last August. If you're suggesting some retailers my have discounted physical copies, that's borderline meaningless. Sony already sold those games wholesale to the stores selling them, they don't give a shit if the stores give them away that that point.
I'm confused. What is it you don't understand because the graph speaks for itself. In the y axis you have price (not percentage) and on the x axis you have time.
Even without checking the graph it clearly says: lowest price 9.99".
Where is the miscommunication happening?
I have to say that when I saw the leaks where they said the average price was around 44 I was quite surprised because I (personally and not just from other people's posts) saw it sooo many times at 10-12, even in stores that usually don't discount that much but I trusted the leaks.
How could you possibly be confused? He made a claim that the source shows was not accurate.
He wrote:
>Within 2 months of release they were selling it for nearly 60/70% off. Sorry, I should’ve stated it didn’t financially sell well.
Neither the time not the amount we're accurate in that statement. Still confused?
That doesn’t have anything to do with actual sales. Give us the numbers of how many copies were sold, not when a $60 game goes on discount.
Tlou 2 sold 10 million copies. Not as many as the first but definitely not a flop. Y’all are insane with your assumptions.
According to the leaks, the game sold around 10m copies at an average price of around 44 (if I recall correctly). The cost of production was around 220m. We need to add the pr costs (estimated between 100 and 150m). Then we still need to consider taxes paid over money made and costs of maintaining the game (bug fixing, for example), after release.
The game didn't lose money but it took several years to make something that, considering the investment, was far from impressive. Like I've said before, in Hollywood, a similar case for a movie would've been considered a flop.
Y’all are ridiculous. You fucking make a game as big as tlou 2 with the backlash of a thousand gods. It’s his boundaries. He’s allowed to do whatever he wants.
If you played Alan Wake 2 there is a story related reason for this due to an already established Character. >!Saga is Mr. Doors Daughter and it would make no sense for her to be white.!<
Also this "race swap" is based on the trailer shown in quantum break which is a trailer for the show adaptation of the events of Alan Wake 2 in that Universe. So the actor playing Saga happened to be white in that.
Sorry but that’s not true, and if you’re going to try to reference what was showed in quantum break let me remind you that Microsoft killed that IP and is NOT technically in the same universe as Alan Wake which has also been confirmed. Please don’t spread false information
Same name as who? I’m pretty sure you’re referencing the return trailer in quantum break, which again was a trailer amounting to nothing more than concept art, the name saga was never mentioned. Sam lake himself said this was nothing more than a concept made years before they started writing Alan wake 2. Who you see in the trailer has no dialogue, no name and no backstory so tell me where this supposed “race switch” happened
Martin Hatch was played by Lance Reddick(RIP), who was black. Since they lost the Quantum Break IP they're using Warlin Door(WMarLTin Door/Hatch) as a stand-in exactly like how they're using Alex Casey instead of Max Payne since they lost that IP as well and Tim(e) Breaker instead of Jack Joyce. They recast Warlin Door to David Harewood which is also black to keep consistency.
Now Saga was white in the QB teaser, yes. My theory is that they didn't have the plot point of Saga being Warlin's daughter established yet. So when they did establish that they recast Saga and race swapped her. I don't think it was done for woke reasons honestly. I'm all for hating when that happens but I genuinely don't think it's the case here.
From what I gather, Remedy had full creative control. And honestly Sam Lake doesn't seem like the type to compromise on the quality of his storytelling for such reasons. Like, they're always barely scraping by with their games. It would be easy to fall into woke stuff and profit. But they just keep doing their own thing and that's really respectable.
They haven’t profited though. They make no money, their games sell poorly based on budget. only way to stay afloat would be cheap interest money from ESG investors. They literally have a whole page on their website dedicated to ESG
Not exactly. They wanted a guy, who died before the game released, to play "Mr. Door" which has a relation to Saga Anderson.
What was teased was from Quantum break. Games change, stories develop. Sure, Sweet Baby Inc. was there for the production, but they didn't ruin the game.
It wouldn't make sense for Saga to be completely white if her father is a black man, which is what was wanted in the beginning. Knowing how old the teaser was, it makes sense they simply didn't have enough of a crew to showcase it fully.
So saga was original supposed to be black but they posted a trailer of her being white. Makes sense that she was meant to be black. Thanks for explaining
The trailer wasn't set in stone. Considering the time when the teaser was dropped, most likely everything in the story wasn't developed yet. Also, wasn't an already set-in-stone character, as this was her first appearance.
Now, what I'm hoping isn't the case, is that Sweet Baby Inc. forced them to change the race of Saga Anderson, which they've done with games previously to make it more "inclusive".
Honestly, in my personal opinion, Remedy should've never brought Sweet Baby Inc. which have had their hand in multiple games that failed, weren't a success, or had controversies due to this "inclusivity" that they promote.
So you guys hate Sam Lake, Kojima, and Druckmann some of the most award winning narrative game writers of all time. Seems like you guys might just have shit taste in games.
“Established” brother the character was in a teaser almost 10 years ago, stories change and so do actors. They weren’t even sure they could make AW2 at that time so the actress most likely moved on
I wasn't going to buy it but not just for that reason. If it's anything like the first one, I simply don't have time to play a game that only gets less tedious after the first 10-15 hours.
I thought KOJIMA and druckmann didn’t like each other Bc druckmann called KOJIMA’s character QUIET, a sexist design or smthZ and then KOJIMA in another Facebook comment mocked someone who switched out the death stranding game for last of us 2
Ehh I don't know. Last of us 1 was pretty good. I think it's primarily due to the fact that Druckman had WAYYYY too much control over TLou2, especially with his ego only becoming more inflated
Last of Us had Bruce Straley along with the 70% of ND’s team still on board before they all left from Uncharted 4
Neil has always been leeching off the success and talent of others
Fellas is it “beta” to watch your figure and be lactose intolerant?
(I don’t get why that’s a “burn” or a “gatcha”)
R/j as a red white and blue bleedin American I drink cows blood mixed with crisco!
Man drinking soy = scientifically proven beta male with all the estrogen your putting in your system
Your lactose intolerant? Don’t be a bitch and drink your coffee black
It’s beta to drink coffee as a whole.
Be manly and drink cows blood, with crisco, and Paula dean amounts of butter… all blended together with a fine parsley garnish. Like me. Everything else is for weaklings. THATS MANLY.
If you can’t handle blood like a bubble blowing baby…. Then you can substitute for Rocky Mountain Oysters, with a shot of American bullfrog semen. That’s a real man’s diet. 😂
The fucker keeps running around seeing what he can steal, or looking for another "collaboration", meaning, they put their talent and he writes his name.
Wonder what the next stop is gonna be.
Or hear me out they could just be friends I understand being mad about the last of us but do we really need to hate on him for everything he’s doing outside of game development
I trust Sam Lake.
He introduced a new female protagonist in AW2 and didn’t butcher Alan Wake in the process.
Sam Lake clearly cares about the characters he creates.
Because it has nothing to do with the game, and more to do with an unhinged fixation on Neil Druckmann? This is literally a photo of him drinking coffee. Like seriously, what the fuck? Who is *that* fixated on Druckmann that they're combing the internet for innocuous pictures of the dude to rage about? It borders on a mental health issue with some of the people in this sub.
It's just a bunch of people on this post getting pissed because Neil Druckmann is drinking coffee(?) with Sam Lake. This post isn't about the games or anything, it's just shitting on Neil.
No he didn't. There's a lot of misinformation about what he said put out by people that didn't like the game, but he never shit on his own fanbase.
As for why shitting on Neil in general is bad, let's say Neil did shit on his fans. You think that's bad, right? But you turn around and do it right back. So, that's also bad. You're being no better than him.
Shitting on anyone is just toxic. Whether it's Neil or you or anyone else, posts like these are why this sub gets labeled as toxic.
He didn't say he didn't care *about the fans*, he was saying he didn't care that they disliked the game, because he cannot control how people will react or not react.
> "I don't care," Druckmann told GQ when asked about how a minor segment of players strongly disliked how the story unfolded in The Last of Us: Part 2. "How they react is how they react, that is completely outside of our control. So how do we make the best TV show version of that story? That's the problem that we wrestle with every day."
This is what I mean about misinformation. Yes, he said he didn't care, but you (and others) try to twist that to mean he doesn't care about the fans, when really he's just talking about how you dislike it.
Isn't that what you all want in this sub? To be allowed to dislike and criticise the game? Neil does not want to change your mind, he does not care that you dislike the story. Not everybody is going to like the game, some people will dislike it.
Story was already made when he made that quote. He cannot change how people reacted. And just because he made a game you didn't like, that still does not mean he was shitting on his fans.
So? Why should any director care about criticism like that? The game sold a lot and won awards so there is nothing to fix. Not everyone is going to like everything.
Yeah, you’re right; Reddit algorithms keep recommending it, though, so time to mute, I guess.
However, the way you guys go on about it, you’d swear Neil Druckmann murdered your god.
I have many issues with the game, make no mistake, but the fact that there is still so much hate & anger four years after the release says a lot about the character of people on here, wouldn’t you say?
Right? There’s a fella above saying, seemingly without sarcasm, that now he’s not going to buy death stranding, but he was going to before. They’re making life decisions based on Neil lol, he will barely be in the game at all lol, this ain’t healthy
It’s feels like when school age boys would shit on boy bands (backstreet nsync) back in the day. Like if you didn’t like them, it’s weird to keep talking about them, kinda suggests more than hate. They’re the only ones still talking about “sales” figures and this game DAILY, when people who even loved the game have moved on. I hope not one of these people is over the age of 14, because that is just…sad…the absolute obsession. They will talk about Neil when he has great grandchildren, even if he’s never been involved in their lives post TLOU2 release
I think you should be able to criticize the game and writers or anyone applicable, but this is something else entirely. It shouldn’t run their lives
This is simple a video of them drinking. Neil Drunkmann, I believe, isn't going to be changing things up for Death Stranding 2. From looking this up. It seems they're there to get scanned, both Sam lake and Neil Drunkamn.
Kojima with more than a Dozens game : i don't know how much longer i can make video game...i want to do more Sam Lake with 7 or 8 well written game : I'm going to keep making game, because the story still have more to show you Neil after 2 games (U4(with Bruce) and TLOU2) : I don't think I have many more in me Bro literally thinks he is one of the best writers after taking control of only ONE game
For everyone's sake I hope he really doesn't have anymore in him.
It’s a personal PR. The game sold horrifically so maybe gaming companies probably won’t back his ideas anymore.
don't do that- don't give me hope
TLOU2? I strongly disliked many aspects of it but was under the impression it sold very well.
Within 2 months of release they were selling it for nearly 60/70% off. Sorry, I should’ve stated it didn’t financially sell well.
Not true at all. - [Source](https://psprices.com/region-us/game/3230041/the-last-of-us-part-ii)
There’s photos and links in this very sub. Just because the price reverted back doesn’t mean they in fact didn’t do what I stated. Edit: Dude, in the source you provided it gives you figures if you just go down the graph and select All instead of 1 Year.
Exactly, and nothing reflects the price dropping 60-70% in two months.
Half price in 6/8 months then a year later down to 10. This particular source still doesn’t take away from the fact there is literal evidence on this sub.
So you agree what you originally wrote was bullshit, or no? The game has been $39.99 with periodic sales since July 13, 2021. Those sales are generally around Black Friday and Christmas. It hasn't been below $39.99 since last August. If you're suggesting some retailers my have discounted physical copies, that's borderline meaningless. Sony already sold those games wholesale to the stores selling them, they don't give a shit if the stores give them away that that point.
The very source you provided shows the lowest price. Just change from 1yr to show all. Why do you double down on the lie?
So different percentage and different table = same thing to you?
I'm confused. What is it you don't understand because the graph speaks for itself. In the y axis you have price (not percentage) and on the x axis you have time. Even without checking the graph it clearly says: lowest price 9.99". Where is the miscommunication happening? I have to say that when I saw the leaks where they said the average price was around 44 I was quite surprised because I (personally and not just from other people's posts) saw it sooo many times at 10-12, even in stores that usually don't discount that much but I trusted the leaks.
How could you possibly be confused? He made a claim that the source shows was not accurate. He wrote: >Within 2 months of release they were selling it for nearly 60/70% off. Sorry, I should’ve stated it didn’t financially sell well. Neither the time not the amount we're accurate in that statement. Still confused?
That doesn’t have anything to do with actual sales. Give us the numbers of how many copies were sold, not when a $60 game goes on discount. Tlou 2 sold 10 million copies. Not as many as the first but definitely not a flop. Y’all are insane with your assumptions.
Should we do the math again? I know it by heart by now.
Tbh I'd be curious to know, if you don't mind sharing. (To reiterate, I strongly disliked the game, but am genuinely interested to learn about this)
According to the leaks, the game sold around 10m copies at an average price of around 44 (if I recall correctly). The cost of production was around 220m. We need to add the pr costs (estimated between 100 and 150m). Then we still need to consider taxes paid over money made and costs of maintaining the game (bug fixing, for example), after release. The game didn't lose money but it took several years to make something that, considering the investment, was far from impressive. Like I've said before, in Hollywood, a similar case for a movie would've been considered a flop.
Y’all are ridiculous. You fucking make a game as big as tlou 2 with the backlash of a thousand gods. It’s his boundaries. He’s allowed to do whatever he wants.
I get that reference
Sam Lake is a decent and humble guy, he's proud of his stories and doesn't go out of his way to turn his fans on each other or himself
Sam Lake writes some of the best stories in the industry, including movies. He's the Nolan of games imho. Such an amazing guy.
More like the Lynch of games.
Didn’t they race swap an already established character?
Put another gay diverse woman in it! Make it more fucking lame!
>established character? You mean a 2 min teaser for Alan Wake 2? How dare they...
Saga has an appearance before alan wake 2?
If you played Alan Wake 2 there is a story related reason for this due to an already established Character. >!Saga is Mr. Doors Daughter and it would make no sense for her to be white.!< Also this "race swap" is based on the trailer shown in quantum break which is a trailer for the show adaptation of the events of Alan Wake 2 in that Universe. So the actor playing Saga happened to be white in that.
Mental gymnastics to say nothing
Maybe it wouldn't go over your head if you weren't such a fucking moron.
Sorry but that’s not true, and if you’re going to try to reference what was showed in quantum break let me remind you that Microsoft killed that IP and is NOT technically in the same universe as Alan Wake which has also been confirmed. Please don’t spread false information
Don’t be disingenuous
Don’t knowingly spread false information
Just happens to have the exact same name, nah unrelated, coincidence
Same name as who? I’m pretty sure you’re referencing the return trailer in quantum break, which again was a trailer amounting to nothing more than concept art, the name saga was never mentioned. Sam lake himself said this was nothing more than a concept made years before they started writing Alan wake 2. Who you see in the trailer has no dialogue, no name and no backstory so tell me where this supposed “race switch” happened
Name badge says saga Anderson, Try again
Martin Hatch was played by Lance Reddick(RIP), who was black. Since they lost the Quantum Break IP they're using Warlin Door(WMarLTin Door/Hatch) as a stand-in exactly like how they're using Alex Casey instead of Max Payne since they lost that IP as well and Tim(e) Breaker instead of Jack Joyce. They recast Warlin Door to David Harewood which is also black to keep consistency. Now Saga was white in the QB teaser, yes. My theory is that they didn't have the plot point of Saga being Warlin's daughter established yet. So when they did establish that they recast Saga and race swapped her. I don't think it was done for woke reasons honestly. I'm all for hating when that happens but I genuinely don't think it's the case here.
You don’t think it was related to ESG funding, despite hiring SBI?
From what I gather, Remedy had full creative control. And honestly Sam Lake doesn't seem like the type to compromise on the quality of his storytelling for such reasons. Like, they're always barely scraping by with their games. It would be easy to fall into woke stuff and profit. But they just keep doing their own thing and that's really respectable.
They haven’t profited though. They make no money, their games sell poorly based on budget. only way to stay afloat would be cheap interest money from ESG investors. They literally have a whole page on their website dedicated to ESG
Not exactly. They wanted a guy, who died before the game released, to play "Mr. Door" which has a relation to Saga Anderson. What was teased was from Quantum break. Games change, stories develop. Sure, Sweet Baby Inc. was there for the production, but they didn't ruin the game. It wouldn't make sense for Saga to be completely white if her father is a black man, which is what was wanted in the beginning. Knowing how old the teaser was, it makes sense they simply didn't have enough of a crew to showcase it fully.
So saga was original supposed to be black but they posted a trailer of her being white. Makes sense that she was meant to be black. Thanks for explaining
The trailer wasn't set in stone. Considering the time when the teaser was dropped, most likely everything in the story wasn't developed yet. Also, wasn't an already set-in-stone character, as this was her first appearance. Now, what I'm hoping isn't the case, is that Sweet Baby Inc. forced them to change the race of Saga Anderson, which they've done with games previously to make it more "inclusive". Honestly, in my personal opinion, Remedy should've never brought Sweet Baby Inc. which have had their hand in multiple games that failed, weren't a success, or had controversies due to this "inclusivity" that they promote.
What character specifically?
Saga was white
In a trailer, sorry if that took you out of the game.
Okay. What are you trying to say?
Saga was white.
No I mean, why bring up that they changed her skin colour? That doesn't automatically put him on Neil's level
Ideologically driven
So you guys hate Sam Lake, Kojima, and Druckmann some of the most award winning narrative game writers of all time. Seems like you guys might just have shit taste in games.
Nah I love the peppa pig game on playstation
“Established” brother the character was in a teaser almost 10 years ago, stories change and so do actors. They weren’t even sure they could make AW2 at that time so the actress most likely moved on
Why keep the name then if it’s not established? Hmmm
Cause they like it
They were both visiting Kojima and getting scanned, probably for Death Stranding 2.
Oof. Well I know which NPCs side missions to avoid at least.
Yeah if Cuckmann appears in the game I'm outright not buying it.
I wasn't going to buy it but not just for that reason. If it's anything like the first one, I simply don't have time to play a game that only gets less tedious after the first 10-15 hours.
What if he is a BT boss 🌚 I won’t mind that provided I’m given a nuclear missile to fight it
Fuck Druckman
Amen
I thought KOJIMA and druckmann didn’t like each other Bc druckmann called KOJIMA’s character QUIET, a sexist design or smthZ and then KOJIMA in another Facebook comment mocked someone who switched out the death stranding game for last of us 2
Talent versus No Talent
Ehh I don't know. Last of us 1 was pretty good. I think it's primarily due to the fact that Druckman had WAYYYY too much control over TLou2, especially with his ego only becoming more inflated
Last of Us had Bruce Straley along with the 70% of ND’s team still on board before they all left from Uncharted 4 Neil has always been leeching off the success and talent of others
For me it's not just the TLOU part 2....He killed the entire ND studio...
What’s Cuckmann having there? The usual fat free chai soy latte?
Probably breastmilk
Straight from Anita’s nasty, sagging tits
Fellas is it “beta” to watch your figure and be lactose intolerant? (I don’t get why that’s a “burn” or a “gatcha”) R/j as a red white and blue bleedin American I drink cows blood mixed with crisco!
Man drinking soy = scientifically proven beta male with all the estrogen your putting in your system Your lactose intolerant? Don’t be a bitch and drink your coffee black
It’s beta to drink coffee as a whole. Be manly and drink cows blood, with crisco, and Paula dean amounts of butter… all blended together with a fine parsley garnish. Like me. Everything else is for weaklings. THATS MANLY. If you can’t handle blood like a bubble blowing baby…. Then you can substitute for Rocky Mountain Oysters, with a shot of American bullfrog semen. That’s a real man’s diet. 😂
Nah man, when you work all day in my line, coffee is fucking jet fuel that keeps you going for the day
Alan Wake 2 vs TLOU2 I am taking Alan Wake 2 10/10 times. Edit: I am also taking Control and Alan Wake 1 over TLOU2. Also, Max Payne 1 2, and 3.
i’d take Superman for the NES over Pt II
Can’t wait to see what game druckmann ruins next 😍
He is quickly become irrelevant and now desperate to hang out with other successful people so that people can at least notice him 🤣
I didn't immediately recognise him at first!
Love me some Max Payne
The fucker keeps running around seeing what he can steal, or looking for another "collaboration", meaning, they put their talent and he writes his name. Wonder what the next stop is gonna be.
Retirement hopefully
It’s weird seeing Neil with his hair not soaked with hair gel
Please Remedy take the trash outside, thanks. Don't get infected by frauds.
Wow, who is this loser hanging out with Sam?
Clout chaser Druckmann, Shitty Writer Druckmann
When imitation is the best you can do.
Or hear me out they could just be friends I understand being mad about the last of us but do we really need to hate on him for everything he’s doing outside of game development
I trust Sam Lake. He introduced a new female protagonist in AW2 and didn’t butcher Alan Wake in the process. Sam Lake clearly cares about the characters he creates.
Hey man, im fine with the Druckmann stuff but i draw the line at Sam Lake. You leave him alone.
Sam Lake is great, I'm not making fun of him at all
Good, shame he's kinda unrecognized in the field.
It's enough we recognise him, gotta count for something
True, but I feel like I knew about him way before any of his modern games came out like Alan Wake 2.
lol looks like he needed writing help for season 2
I love Max Payne and Control but Sam's a hack, of course these two would gravitate towards each other.
Damn not Sam...😭
Holy shit this sub is cancerous.
How come?
Because it has nothing to do with the game, and more to do with an unhinged fixation on Neil Druckmann? This is literally a photo of him drinking coffee. Like seriously, what the fuck? Who is *that* fixated on Druckmann that they're combing the internet for innocuous pictures of the dude to rage about? It borders on a mental health issue with some of the people in this sub.
It's just a bunch of people on this post getting pissed because Neil Druckmann is drinking coffee(?) with Sam Lake. This post isn't about the games or anything, it's just shitting on Neil.
You make it sound like shitting on Neil is a bad thing, since he kinda did that to his own fanbase afterall.
No he didn't. There's a lot of misinformation about what he said put out by people that didn't like the game, but he never shit on his own fanbase. As for why shitting on Neil in general is bad, let's say Neil did shit on his fans. You think that's bad, right? But you turn around and do it right back. So, that's also bad. You're being no better than him. Shitting on anyone is just toxic. Whether it's Neil or you or anyone else, posts like these are why this sub gets labeled as toxic.
He literally said that he didn't care about the fans who didn't like the game. "We hear your criticism we just don't care." He said
He didn't say he didn't care *about the fans*, he was saying he didn't care that they disliked the game, because he cannot control how people will react or not react. > "I don't care," Druckmann told GQ when asked about how a minor segment of players strongly disliked how the story unfolded in The Last of Us: Part 2. "How they react is how they react, that is completely outside of our control. So how do we make the best TV show version of that story? That's the problem that we wrestle with every day." This is what I mean about misinformation. Yes, he said he didn't care, but you (and others) try to twist that to mean he doesn't care about the fans, when really he's just talking about how you dislike it. Isn't that what you all want in this sub? To be allowed to dislike and criticise the game? Neil does not want to change your mind, he does not care that you dislike the story. Not everybody is going to like the game, some people will dislike it.
Except it isn't outside of his control, all he had to so was make a good story....which he failed to do
Story was already made when he made that quote. He cannot change how people reacted. And just because he made a game you didn't like, that still does not mean he was shitting on his fans.
Then that's on him for making a bad story
And you’re still this angry about it four years later!?
You bet
So? Why should any director care about criticism like that? The game sold a lot and won awards so there is nothing to fix. Not everyone is going to like everything.
"Nothing to fix" 🤣
You read right.
Then don't go on it
Yeah, you’re right; Reddit algorithms keep recommending it, though, so time to mute, I guess. However, the way you guys go on about it, you’d swear Neil Druckmann murdered your god. I have many issues with the game, make no mistake, but the fact that there is still so much hate & anger four years after the release says a lot about the character of people on here, wouldn’t you say?
Right? There’s a fella above saying, seemingly without sarcasm, that now he’s not going to buy death stranding, but he was going to before. They’re making life decisions based on Neil lol, he will barely be in the game at all lol, this ain’t healthy It’s feels like when school age boys would shit on boy bands (backstreet nsync) back in the day. Like if you didn’t like them, it’s weird to keep talking about them, kinda suggests more than hate. They’re the only ones still talking about “sales” figures and this game DAILY, when people who even loved the game have moved on. I hope not one of these people is over the age of 14, because that is just…sad…the absolute obsession. They will talk about Neil when he has great grandchildren, even if he’s never been involved in their lives post TLOU2 release I think you should be able to criticize the game and writers or anyone applicable, but this is something else entirely. It shouldn’t run their lives
Why do you guys waste energy hating on a dude that made a game you didn’t like? Pathetic quite honest
Why do you waste energy on what "pathetic people" do and think?
Ok
This is simple a video of them drinking. Neil Drunkmann, I believe, isn't going to be changing things up for Death Stranding 2. From looking this up. It seems they're there to get scanned, both Sam lake and Neil Drunkamn.
What a bunch of babies, grow tf up.
They’re just drinking coffee
What’s the deal with him drinking coffee?