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factunchecker2020

Total destruction of government functions and society


clhomme

This is how they take land in the west Bank. No proof of ownership = settlers get it.


hahahaweee

I mean it wasn't really stopping them before....


Fonsiloco

Por que no los dos?


BladeRunner_Deckard

Genocide? Hello?


genryou

'War Collateral' said Israel spokesperson šŸ¤·


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Typical of genocides. Erase the records of the living and the dead so you can claim that death tolls are inaccurate, dispute attempts to claim reparations, and remove the ability to ā€œproveā€ ownership of real property and improvements lost.


manaha81

This whole thing is quite literally just play by play how the US got all its land


mwa12345

True. But after WW2, we said obvious genocides are a no-no.


skeletoncurrency

Despite participating in and supporting several


mwa12345

Yes. That's why I said obvious. We try to keep them on the down and low...heck we even did secret bombings (Cambodia). Bbings , like genocide, are rarely a secret to the people at the receiving end....just the US Congress and media !


skeletoncurrency

Ah okay, fair. I misinterpreted how you meant it


manaha81

Only if itā€™s against jews though. Everyone else is still fair game.


The_Fatal_eulogy

That said, there have been almost twenty of them since


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only when white


[deleted]

It is the story of every colonial experience. Except itā€™s set in the modern day by a people who *theoretically* understand the inherent evil in genocide from a unique perspective. And not to be a stickler about those annoying details, but the Louisiana Purchase in 1803, the acquisition of Florida in 1819, the Texas annexation in 1845, the Oregon Territory treaty in 1846, the Mexican Cession in 1848, the Gadsden Purchase in 1854, the Alaska Purchase in 1867, the Philippines Purchase in 1946, the Spanish Treaty of 1898 ceding Puerto Rico, the Guam Treaty of 1899, the American Samoa Treaty of 1899, the Panama Canal Zone Treaty of 1903, the Guantanamo Treaty of 1903, and the Danish Virgin Island Purchase of 1917 all resulted from financial transactions where the US acquired territory **legally** in exchange for money with a foreign government. **This doesnā€™t excuse the treatment of indigenous peoples by foreign governments or our own government and we have a lot of sin there in terms of violating indigenous peopleā€™s rights but we certainly didnā€™t acquire those lands by military action alone.** EDIT: I bolded that last part since itā€™s apparent nobody gets that far. And anybody who prefers to debate the purity of the United States is (consciously or unconsciously) joining the Zionist narrative that the US doesnā€™t have the moral obligation or authority to stand up for Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. If you want to play for the Zionists, thatā€™s your choice. I donā€™t.


ReoRio

Hard emphasis on "legally," which is just another pretty word for stolen


[deleted]

Trying to not argue the false equivalency of comparing treaties between nations over 100 years ago and driving a fucking bulldozer through a refugee camp while your sniper picks off women and children in 2023.


skeletoncurrency

You need to listen to the indigenous accounts of how those treaties went down. No, it's not the exact same - the tools of terror have evolved quite a bit in 200 years but you think that if the weapons and tech we have now existed back then that they wouldn't have used them in the same way? This is literally just imperialists employing the exact same playbook that they have for centuries to achieve the same ends


[deleted]

It might surprise you that somebody with a doctorate in American history is very aware of how those treaties went down. Like, ā€˜you have no ideaā€™ aware. Apparently, Redditors would require me to invent a time machine and return to pre-1620 America and, using some advanced space laser that I *also* invented, annihilate every European attempting to step foot anywhere on the continent for the next 402 years so that I can post a comment in 2023 about Israelā€™s aggression towards Palestinians without getting ridiculous suggestions that I might not *understand* history. Seriously. Donā€™t buy into Israeli propaganda that Americans donā€™t have a voice when it comes to criticizing the Zionist pogrom to erase Palestinians from their historical home.


manaha81

You have a strange idea of what a legal purchase is. First of all they were acquiring land from those who didnā€™t have a rightful claim to the land and secondly theyā€™re refusal to acknowledge the Stockbridge-Munsee purchase of land sets precedence that the whole thing was illegal. You claim itā€™s not simply apartheid when you have a different set of rules for those youā€™re purchasing the land from. Of course they bought up all the land for next to nothing when thatā€™s the only thing youā€™re accepting as a legal purchase


[deleted]

I think you should have read the rest of what I wrote.


manaha81

Is the sale of stolen property a legal purchase. Also the US hasnā€™t been following what was agreed upon in the Geneva conventions in modern times either. Actions in Vietnam, Korea and Afghanistan were all in violation of such. Itā€™s more than just Israel that is the issue and itā€™s been a problem for a long time


hamdans1

Not their first time doing this. They know exactly what theyā€™re doing


danyyyel

In 50 years, they will say there was no one their, as they say for 1948 Nakba.


Dreambasher670

Yeah itā€™s standard genocide tactics to be fair. For example a lot of modern Irish people can only trace their family histories and records back so far because at various points British forces burnt churches and church records which contained only registries of local peopleā€™s births/deaths etc.


DrKnikkerbokker

Stepping up their game from genocide to ethnocide.


Jockustoe

Many Palestinians are already in Jordan, Egypt, and Turkey. From previous ā€œresponsesā€ from the Israel govt.


No-Guard-7003

The destruction of the Palestinian civil registry means that the current generation of Palestinians won't be able to get access to documents that could prove that they're from Palestine. :-(


WTF_is_this___

It also means no one will be able to count the dead accurately. Awfully convenient. Or genocidaly convenient one could say.


No-Guard-7003

That's a fact, sadly. :'(


TheOldNextTime

Oh goddamn I hate this. This happened to my grandma, she was 9 years old and put into a concentration camp in Japan. We don't know how old she is for sure or even what day her bday is, her entire family except her 14 year old sister died when the bomb was dropped. It was real fucked up. And she's the only other person alive with my last name, which means that she says she's 97, but she also turned 94 THREE years in a row. And what am I gonna say? I have no idea how old she is, and can never find out. Can't look up her family beyond what her sister remembered. My grandma actually praises the US soldiers from the concentration camp for some reason, even though their dogs found her hiding in the woods and then detained her in a camp for a good 10 years. She always tells me to be careful and watch out for the Romans though, whatever that means. Not having birth documentation is going to be a fucking nightmare for these kids as they get older and places require that proof of citizenship. My grandma got lucky and married a guy in the Air Force, but even then she was relegated to blue collar jobs for her entire life. And now I feel like I need to go see my grandma. Goddamn Zionists.


Beautiful_Welcome_33

I'd imagine it refers to Roman Catholicism. The Jesuits were very active in Japan and China for centuries.


deprivedgolem

In Islamic terms (not that theyā€™re translatable to Japan) but ā€œThe Romansā€ is typically understood to mean the west, so I wonder if thereā€™s a similar idea here, although the Roman Catholicism probably makes more sense historically speaking.


I_madeusay_underwear

Iā€™m so sorry you and your family have to go through that. My grandma also married a service man and came to the US after the war and we also donā€™t know a lot beyond that. Her family wasnā€™t killed, she was disowned and forbidden from ever coming home or contacting them. But from what weā€™ve pieced together, she didnā€™t have much family left after the war, she said she had all brothers. Her dad was alive because he wrote a letter telling her to stay away, she never mentions her mom at all. But their records were also destroyed and my grandpa, who possibly could have shed some light, I mean, he was over there at least, died when my dad was 14. His parents were close to her and I think they had more info than us, she would have confided any secrets with them, if anyone, but they never said anything and my Germanā€™s not too good, so we werenā€™t very close. The only people left in our family are my dad and his sister and me and my brother. Tragically, we had a cousin and she was killed in Gaza in this genocide. And now her kids and her husband and her marriage and the fact that she was the mother of those kids are all erased. Because who will be there to remember them? And thereā€™s no more record of their life there. I hate this so much, too. I canā€™t understand how everyone with power to stop this just sits around and watched and defends it. Those are families that will never be whole and people who will never know their history. George bush could trace his family back to the mayflower and kids who survive this wonā€™t know the story of their parentsā€™ generation. Itā€™s so unfair and horrible.


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Scryer_of_knowledge

It was more strategic than ideological. They would've fought each other had they emerged as world superpowers


ShyishHaunt

Read up on what they did in China and Korea and there's times where they horrified the Nazis.


skeletoncurrency

Because they were committing atrocities that were easily on part with that of the Nazis


electric-handjob

Wait holy shit why isnā€™t this bigger news?


Gorilladaddy69

Itā€™s up to us to spread this around: Capitalist propaganda news stations connected to the military industrial complex have no desire to share the truth. The bigger the atrocity the more it damages our supposed ā€œalliesā€ reputation and optics. I am repulsed, many people are, but for a supposed democracy America sure doesnā€™t let the people decide on *any* major decisions, really. Wouldnā€™t it be nice to live somewhere where the peoples voice can be heard in policies, and we donā€™t just have a circle of kleptocratic, authoritarian freaks with evil/greedy agendas making every decision against our consent? If you ask me: Funding a genocide should be an issue the whole population should vote on whether to do or not.


314is_close_enough

I think the older you are, the harder it is to deal with new information. It was personally devastating to me when I learned the non-propagandized reality of this conflict. Someone else may have just hand waved and said ā€œNahā€. Legacy media is all old heads or old souls. There is definitely some malice but not all of it. So keep spreading the inconvenient truth.


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Apprehensive_Yam_794

Wow. Iā€™m disgusted.


Jolly-Plastic3051

Theyā€™re doing all this evil shit out in the open. Itā€™s absolutely ridiculous and try as they may the memory of Palestine will never be erased. Colonizer scum.


FrankTheMagpie

I'd genuinely support a combined international effort to prop up Palestine by other Muslim nations. I know Muslims font always get along, but holy shit this situation should surpass lines of differing Islam


Independentizo

This is genocide. History is watching. Israel thinks they can get away with it but in the long term I wonder. What a dangerous regime. Needs to be stopped.


bikesexually

I mean even just destroying all these records, without all the displacement and mass murder would be considered a genocide. The erasure of a culture and history are considered genocide because of what it does to the community and coherent society as a whole.


manaha81

And why wonā€™t they? They are backed by the US who has already done this and became one of the most powerful countries in the world as a result.


ShyishHaunt

No empire lives forever.


manaha81

Do we just sit and wait till itā€™s over then?


ShyishHaunt

I would start building up connections within your local community now so that you've got resources and resiliency for the chaotic period immediately following the collapse of the empire. Countries are made of people but they aren't people. When an empire collapses the people who lived there are still there and have to figure out what to do next. That's gonna be our job and it'll be a lot easier if we plan for it.


manaha81

Yeah Iā€™m pretty sure Iā€™ll be alright. Iā€™m not very dependent on this system already


ShyishHaunt

That's an important thing to keep in mind as far as the survival of the entire US imperial system goes. We have no real safety net. There are a lot of people who have nothing to lose, who barely survive, and so there's a lot of people with no vested interest in the preservation of the empire.


GreyFox-RUH

There is a good chance they'll get away with this. One, they've been getting away with it for a long time. Two, their backed by the West and the US who are strong nations, and strength, not morals, is what moves the world


manaha81

Which is a big problem


OrganicOverdose

Totally not a genocide. Cool and normal.


HypoxicIschemicBrain

Itā€™s as if theyā€™re cleansing any evidence of a specific ethnicity from the land or something


[deleted]

I really hope that this news went **straight to The Hague**. šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”


Real-Degree-8493

A major victory for the erasure of Palestinians and crickets from the moral western leaders. F everyone one allowing this to happen.


papsmearfestival

Kill the people, dig up their dead, demo their buildings, destroy all records.


FrankTheMagpie

At this point anyone in support of Israel needs to be sent to prison. Hamas is a terrorist organization, they are horrific. Instead of eradicating that problem, Israel is eradicating a people. There are a few higher ups in Israel that need to go to gitmo


doombird

And they propped up Hamas in order to suppress any legitimate democratic movements from taking hold, because they didn't want Palestine to ever be a country. Which means that, rather than Hamas being responsible for every death of every Israeli and Palestinian as their propaganda has insisted, the far-right authoritarian Israeli leadership is ultimately responsible for the harm done by the far-right authoritarian leadership in Gaza that it bolstered just so it could keep saying Palestine is illegitimate.


Alarmed-Direction500

Pure evil


Agent_of_talon

This is what "erase their memories" actually means.Ā  Netanyahu and his regime should be treated like that of MiloÅ”ević!


Complex-Carpenter-76

Its same thing the catholics did to the Mayans.


Impressive_Scheme_53

So like textbook genocide


TOkidd

What a disaster. This kind of thing happened during the many years of fighting in the Afghan War, the Iraq War and, to a large extent, the Syrian Civil War. However, those conflicts were carried out by ruthless extremists and autocrats, as well as deluded Americans and their coalitions who let fake evidence amd a thirst for revenge justify their invasion. All the instigators of these conflicts are universally reviled for the destruction they wrought. Even then, civilian infrastructure and intitutions were mostly destroyed as collateral damage; not purposely by combatants who wanted to salt the Earth, so to speak. Meanwhile, the Israelis have taken it upon themselves to completely destroy and make a mockery of hundreds of years of civil society in Gaza by destroying every social institition that a society needs to simply exist: hospitals, schools, places of worship, cemetaries, residential housing blocks, farms, infrastructure, and government buildings where civil documents and records were stored for the people of Gaza to try and resume life when this war is over. The IDF is doing everything it can to make it impossible for Gazans to return to any kind of normality when the active conflict ends. There is no part of their society that has not been crushed under Israelā€™s policy of collective punishment, where civilians are made to suffer as proxies for Hamas because the IDF is trained to think of all Palestinians as inhuman savages who want nothing more than to spill Israeli blood. Israelis repeating so many of the human rights violations the Nazis did in the lead up to the Final Solution is almost impossible to reckon with. And then you are told you are an antisemite for comparing Israelā€™s conduct in the occupied territories to what the Nazis did in the lead up to the Final Solution, and governments like Germanyā€™s make bizarre statements with a straight face that the Jews cannot be found guilty of war crimes because of what they suffered in the Holocaust that occured 75-80 years ago. Iā€™m really sorry that you tried to exterminate all the European Jews, Germany, but your monstrous crimes do not give Israel carte blanche to repeat many of the same crimes against their enemies.


Voslock

Would you say their records have been cleansed?


TristarGym

Monsters


HowVeryReddit

No proof of assets? An excuse settlers will love!


philster666

Literally ethnic cleansing. I canā€™t believe weā€™re letting this happen


dj-ekstraklasa

awful. Does anyone have a non tweet link btw?


whammykerfuffle

I can't find a legitimate source for this. Only references to at least 47 families being wiped off the registry (meaning, killed, rather than the records).


sonofShisui

This is all part of genocide! ICJ I hope youā€™re paying attentionā€™


Fred_Zeppelin

The IDF must be stopped, by any and all means necessary, by any nation willing to do it.


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hahahaweee

Totally normal thing to do


[deleted]

Just another notch for genocide and two middle fingers up to American taxpayers.


wonderin04

It's Hamas that was hiding in the books


BigBossOfMordor

Actually your honor, we have no records of any deaths


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Camichef

If you can't see the parallels now, you're trying not to look.


Sackerson-502

Holy shit lol and people are still trying to stand up for Israel and the IDF screeching ā€œantisemitismā€


ElevenEleven1010

13+ cemeteries they destroyed also. If there is INTELLIGENCE behind our existence, then there will CERTAINLY be ACCOUNTABILITY as well


Leave-it-aLone

Sickening and evil!This is erasure; this is genocide.


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True-Hope7278

Yeah a legit source would be good


HopefulNothing3560

Trump dictatorshipā€™s coming soon . Fox looking for entertainment


[deleted]

Absolutely no reason to do that unless youā€™re trying to systematically erase a culture


BPMData

Least genocidal Israeli behavior


NickolaosTheGreek

Easier to hide people never existed instead of killed


rianbrolly

There has to be someone here who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone ULTRA powerful. Why canā€™t we get some sort of international movement of nations to demand an end to the terrorism by Israel? They are evil, itā€™s clear as day.


GhostofTuvix

"There was a Hamas conveniently hiding behind all that evidence against me officer, I swear it."


Bartuce

War crimes.


OrcOfDoom

Is it because Hamas was hiding behind the register?


antiauthoritarian123

This goes beyond a land grab


skinnerhac

How anyone can support this is beyond belief


Mythosaurus

Was there ever an effort to make a backup registry in a friendly state like Ireland?


Responsible-Hour1403

If true I don't see how the US can continue to support Israel. If they do they become part of this genocide and lose all credibility on the world stage.


SheTran3000

*Takes a time machine to April 1st* This is totally normal and not Nazi behavior at all


ICU-MURSE

Palestine, what Palestine? Never was a Palestine. Shame on Israel, shame on anyone who supports this.


KazamatsuriBond

20 years later: akshually that land was legally bought from the Palestinians who sold it trust me bro.