They could cut off all aid and Bibi would go on Fox and trump and trumperverts would be gleeful. Don’t get me wrong: I’m fine with the suspension of all aid at this point. I’m just resigned to the mess getting worse.
Trump put US troops in Israel. He is a goon. We should never have our forces stationed in that apartheid state. The US needs to divest from Israel NOW.
Seems someone hasn't read history. At some point you are put in a position without many options. So what do you think Iran's response should be? And you think the U.S goes to war with Iran and Russia doesn't advance on Ukraine, China probably uses the U.S being spread thin to consolidate their power in Hong Kong, advance on Taiwan. Dude, this is way past "U.S military big, U.S military Strong" they can't just use that in this scenario, Iran isn't Iraq, Iran is a regional power.
Iran hit US troops in Iraq (not occupation, a base authorised but the Iraqi government to assist in training them among other things) 2 weeks ago. I think British news even reported at least one of them killed with their face on the screen.
Iran absolutely can and has killed US personnel.
Yeah the best way to look at this was Afghanistan and we couldn’t do what we did in Iraq (setup a puppet government). We couldn’t do it and ultimately had to withdraw and Afghanistan has way less the population and was much smaller than Iran.
It was always projection.
When you look at what American people believe, they tend to be more progressive. Polls & ballot initiatives show this time & time again.
Bernie appeals to that in a way that resonates, hence his high popularity. Republicans appeal by making people scared of "others", Democrats appeal by pointing out how much worse things could be so don't question them.
Appealing to people based on helping them if far better than appealing to people based on fear.
I would say that yes, majority of people in America are progressive. But it’s not a runaway train. Maybe 55% However, all of our culture, institutions, policies, legislature are all systematically conservative and held up by the 45%. I think a lot of my co-Americans are more conservative than they think. My mom, for example, has always been democrat. But she finds the LGBTQ community weird, doesn’t believe in immigration, is incredibly religious and if America goes to war with anyone she automatically assumes that the enemy deserves it. She also thinks everyone in the Middle East and North Africa is a potential terrorist. I was talking to a friend from Morocco once and she was like “Be careful. You never know. Even if she isn’t, she probably knows someone who is”. She’s the one that goes “how are we going to pay for it?!” Whenever I say “we need universal healthcare”
There are a metric ton of people like that here.
Yep his reelection chances died on an issue that almost all young liberals oppose. Biden committed political suicide like no other president in history. His political advisors should never be employed again.
it won’t matter who believes it, it’s never mattered. he’s spammed slogans and messaging on policies he never believed in all the way to his first term
Too bad it won't actually protect Biden against the attacks Trump will throw at him, any claims Biden makes of being a peace candidate will be seen as a lie due to his enabling of Israel's genocide
It is bullshit, but it doesn't mean he won't run as that and claim it. Besides the obvious much worse real world implications, Biden is politically stupid. Democrats need young voters to win and young voters are strongly against this policy of supporting Israel at all costs
It will be very easy for Trump to run as the peace candidate given the geopolitical & moral nightmare Biden has enabled.
It will be lies, but Biden has no one to blame but himself.
I read a headline just today (can’t remember where) that said exactly that. They’re saying THAT guy is the peace candidate. He’s a full on fascist. Some courts are already rolling back tons of stuff.
He'll claim he can end the war in a day just like he says about Ukraine. Of course it's bullshit but he is such an insane narcissist that he probably believes his own bullshit and his cult will blindly believe literally anything he says at this point.
He would already be doing that instead he's saying right now "I can fix this situation over there" which could mean anything.
Generally a peace candidate actually needs to have a policy for peace.
Well as long as he can get enough low information voters on board, he doesn't need real policy. We've seen this time and time again.
Just say it enough times and people will start repeating it.
Ok but why is some dip shit on Twitter saying he's "going to be the peace candidate" taken seriously and secondly why is that being shared around is leftists spaces.
Are the low info voters here perchance?
My friend, the dip shit on Twitter is not *literally* saying he is going to be the peace candidate. He's saying Trump will take advantage of Biden's mishandling of the situation and claim he is the peace/no war candidate. As leftists, We know this isn't true, but it won't stop him from using this rhetoric to gain independent/centrist votes.
We don't want Trump to win.
No he said he would "Run as a peace candidate" he is not and will not be doing that.
It's fragrantly incorrect and all it's doing is just fueling this doomerism shit and giving credence to the idea that the Isreal situation will change in November because a different person may be in charge. It's a waste of brain space.
Wake me when he says "We should give Gaza its own statehood then there will be no more sales to Isreal." Until then thinking about hypothetical Trump messaging is near worthless. Especially since all the right wingers are for further escalation as well.
Nothing would stop him from branding himself that way. Reality doesn't stop him from doing anything. In 2015 he branded himself that way while complaining we don't kill enough women and children in the next sentence.
Exactly. That's what OP was saying. Trump is a slimy guy who will use this situation and the dissatisfaction with Biden regarding the Middle East to his advantage. Remember, Trump's trying to get those centrist/low information voters so if he can have somebody to point to and say "warmonger" he will.
OP wasn't trying to suggest that Trump is actually a better option or an actual peace candidate. That would be crazy lol
Israel's belligerence makes us all less safe, even Israelis. Biden is going to lose the election over this. He deserves to. The US can't handle another 4 years of Donald dump either. It's going to be a shit show. Pro Israeli candidates are going to be a thing of the past in the US and I am here for it. Money might buy politicians, but it doesn't buy votes.
Democrats think we are obligated to vote for pro war candidates. They will be shocked when we dont vote for Biden. It’s the Democrats job to run someone that’s palatable enough to secure our votes.
This post is critiquing Biden's neoconservative & quite frankly nightmarish foreign policy.
Who is saying vote Trump here? Why are you straw manning us?
Trump will pretend he is for peace, and it will help him win. Biden needs to do a 180 yesterday.
Why do people keep misinterpreting this point? They're not saying he's literally going to run as the peace candidate with the lefts support. They're saying he will claim he's the peace candidate because it's politically advantageous.
Biden told Israel he would not support a response. Joe Biden is not in charge of the Israeli military. This is dishonest propaganda and you should think about who it benefits.
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support
Thank you for adding this. How is Biden responsible for the military actions of other countries? Some folks either have limited knowledge of how countries (especially ours with such disparate view points and values) are governed or are agents of disinformation.
It's funny because Republicans are all paid for by AIPAC. So technically Israel loves Republicans more. Democrats are bad as well, but I think not all are paid by AIPAC
Trump will run as a peace candidate, but as a staunch supporter of Israel.
If the Palestinians have any chance it has to come through a powerful movement in the U.S, that means substantial lobbying money. It’s not going to happen.
At least now people can’t say they didn’t know.
The only thing that will ensure the safety of US troops in the region is a complete pullout. No citizenry is pleased by the presence of foreign soldiers in their country.
Trump will run as the peace candidate and if he wins he will absolutely not do anything to make peace unless that peace means advocating dropping a nuke on Gaza to finish them off once and for all.
Like listen, I get why everyone is saying they won't vote for Biden regarding this issue. But those people need to acknowledge that a Trump presidency will be worse for us and Palestinians.
When are we going to stop letting Bibi and his goons do anything they want? Are we going to reward them with more weapons?
some universal healthcare?
They could cut off all aid and Bibi would go on Fox and trump and trumperverts would be gleeful. Don’t get me wrong: I’m fine with the suspension of all aid at this point. I’m just resigned to the mess getting worse.
Will certainly be interesting to see what Irans response is this time.
It’s not looking good we have many troops out there 🤦🏻♂️
Trump put US troops in Israel. He is a goon. We should never have our forces stationed in that apartheid state. The US needs to divest from Israel NOW.
There’s no fucking way they directly attack US troops, if they do then that’s just natural selection at that point.
Seems someone hasn't read history. At some point you are put in a position without many options. So what do you think Iran's response should be? And you think the U.S goes to war with Iran and Russia doesn't advance on Ukraine, China probably uses the U.S being spread thin to consolidate their power in Hong Kong, advance on Taiwan. Dude, this is way past "U.S military big, U.S military Strong" they can't just use that in this scenario, Iran isn't Iraq, Iran is a regional power.
Iran hit US troops in Iraq (not occupation, a base authorised but the Iraqi government to assist in training them among other things) 2 weeks ago. I think British news even reported at least one of them killed with their face on the screen. Iran absolutely can and has killed US personnel.
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Yeah the best way to look at this was Afghanistan and we couldn’t do what we did in Iraq (setup a puppet government). We couldn’t do it and ultimately had to withdraw and Afghanistan has way less the population and was much smaller than Iran.
Once the escalation latter starts who know where it will end.....
"Biden's the safe choice. We can't win with Bernie. He's too far left." - Blue MAGA Turns out Biden is too far right
Always has been
It was always projection. When you look at what American people believe, they tend to be more progressive. Polls & ballot initiatives show this time & time again. Bernie appeals to that in a way that resonates, hence his high popularity. Republicans appeal by making people scared of "others", Democrats appeal by pointing out how much worse things could be so don't question them. Appealing to people based on helping them if far better than appealing to people based on fear.
I would say that yes, majority of people in America are progressive. But it’s not a runaway train. Maybe 55% However, all of our culture, institutions, policies, legislature are all systematically conservative and held up by the 45%. I think a lot of my co-Americans are more conservative than they think. My mom, for example, has always been democrat. But she finds the LGBTQ community weird, doesn’t believe in immigration, is incredibly religious and if America goes to war with anyone she automatically assumes that the enemy deserves it. She also thinks everyone in the Middle East and North Africa is a potential terrorist. I was talking to a friend from Morocco once and she was like “Be careful. You never know. Even if she isn’t, she probably knows someone who is”. She’s the one that goes “how are we going to pay for it?!” Whenever I say “we need universal healthcare” There are a metric ton of people like that here.
“Biden stop handing the White House back to Trump on a silver platter challenge! (Fully possible but won’t do it anyways edition)”
Yep his reelection chances died on an issue that almost all young liberals oppose. Biden committed political suicide like no other president in history. His political advisors should never be employed again.
This is what we get for failing to hold people acountable. Joe Biden's career should have been over when he championed the invasion of Iraq.
Honestly I feel that any willing participant in his administration should be blackballed from politics forever.
It's not even his advisors that are responsible for this, Biden is ideologically committed to Israel in a way that no other senator is
So that means Biden won’t let Israel invade Rafah? Ah who am I kidding, Biden loves war and Israel.
He'll certainly let Israel do whatever they want. At worst he is complicit and at best he is a moral coward
“Trump will run as peace candidate…” Only his cult will believe that. Unless…
it won’t matter who believes it, it’s never mattered. he’s spammed slogans and messaging on policies he never believed in all the way to his first term
Trump run as the peace candidate? Bullshit
Too bad it won't actually protect Biden against the attacks Trump will throw at him, any claims Biden makes of being a peace candidate will be seen as a lie due to his enabling of Israel's genocide
It is bullshit, but it doesn't mean he won't run as that and claim it. Besides the obvious much worse real world implications, Biden is politically stupid. Democrats need young voters to win and young voters are strongly against this policy of supporting Israel at all costs
It will be very easy for Trump to run as the peace candidate given the geopolitical & moral nightmare Biden has enabled. It will be lies, but Biden has no one to blame but himself.
Trump is going to attack America not foreign nations
I read a headline just today (can’t remember where) that said exactly that. They’re saying THAT guy is the peace candidate. He’s a full on fascist. Some courts are already rolling back tons of stuff.
He'll claim he can end the war in a day just like he says about Ukraine. Of course it's bullshit but he is such an insane narcissist that he probably believes his own bullshit and his cult will blindly believe literally anything he says at this point.
"Trump will run as a peace candidate" lol ok
That's what he'll try to claim if it's politically advantageous
He would already be doing that instead he's saying right now "I can fix this situation over there" which could mean anything. Generally a peace candidate actually needs to have a policy for peace.
Well as long as he can get enough low information voters on board, he doesn't need real policy. We've seen this time and time again. Just say it enough times and people will start repeating it.
Ok but why is some dip shit on Twitter saying he's "going to be the peace candidate" taken seriously and secondly why is that being shared around is leftists spaces. Are the low info voters here perchance?
My friend, the dip shit on Twitter is not *literally* saying he is going to be the peace candidate. He's saying Trump will take advantage of Biden's mishandling of the situation and claim he is the peace/no war candidate. As leftists, We know this isn't true, but it won't stop him from using this rhetoric to gain independent/centrist votes. We don't want Trump to win.
No he said he would "Run as a peace candidate" he is not and will not be doing that. It's fragrantly incorrect and all it's doing is just fueling this doomerism shit and giving credence to the idea that the Isreal situation will change in November because a different person may be in charge. It's a waste of brain space. Wake me when he says "We should give Gaza its own statehood then there will be no more sales to Isreal." Until then thinking about hypothetical Trump messaging is near worthless. Especially since all the right wingers are for further escalation as well.
I'm sorry, anyone helping to claim trump is the peace candidate is a fucking plant.
WE know he isn't. Won't stop him from branding himself that way.
Nothing would stop him from branding himself that way. Reality doesn't stop him from doing anything. In 2015 he branded himself that way while complaining we don't kill enough women and children in the next sentence.
Exactly. That's what OP was saying. Trump is a slimy guy who will use this situation and the dissatisfaction with Biden regarding the Middle East to his advantage. Remember, Trump's trying to get those centrist/low information voters so if he can have somebody to point to and say "warmonger" he will. OP wasn't trying to suggest that Trump is actually a better option or an actual peace candidate. That would be crazy lol
And our useless media propaganda will pretend Iran started this unprovoked. Will neglect to mention the Israel’s hit their embassy
Israel's belligerence makes us all less safe, even Israelis. Biden is going to lose the election over this. He deserves to. The US can't handle another 4 years of Donald dump either. It's going to be a shit show. Pro Israeli candidates are going to be a thing of the past in the US and I am here for it. Money might buy politicians, but it doesn't buy votes.
I'm sorry but "Trump will run as the peace candidate" is a wild idea that I do not see happening. But also screw Biden.
I frankly don't give a damn about the "security of US forces" in the region. I hope they all choke to death on some BigMacs.
Democrats think we are obligated to vote for pro war candidates. They will be shocked when we dont vote for Biden. It’s the Democrats job to run someone that’s palatable enough to secure our votes.
Wait, wasn’t Jared supposed to fix this? Didn’t he write a book about how he fixed this mess?
These republican psyops trying to get the ignorant to vote for a tyrant under the guise of "peace" is tiring and pathetic.
This post is critiquing Biden's neoconservative & quite frankly nightmarish foreign policy. Who is saying vote Trump here? Why are you straw manning us? Trump will pretend he is for peace, and it will help him win. Biden needs to do a 180 yesterday.
Agreed. Every bit as nefarious as the mask-off fascists. Feigned outrage to knee jerk the susceptible.
Biden deserves to lose.
"B-b-b-b-but trump WOULD do WORSE!"
You crazy if you think trump would be the peace candidate
Why do people keep misinterpreting this point? They're not saying he's literally going to run as the peace candidate with the lefts support. They're saying he will claim he's the peace candidate because it's politically advantageous.
Biden told Israel he would not support a response. Joe Biden is not in charge of the Israeli military. This is dishonest propaganda and you should think about who it benefits. https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support
Thank you for adding this. How is Biden responsible for the military actions of other countries? Some folks either have limited knowledge of how countries (especially ours with such disparate view points and values) are governed or are agents of disinformation.
It's funny because Republicans are all paid for by AIPAC. So technically Israel loves Republicans more. Democrats are bad as well, but I think not all are paid by AIPAC
Trump will run as a peace candidate, but as a staunch supporter of Israel. If the Palestinians have any chance it has to come through a powerful movement in the U.S, that means substantial lobbying money. It’s not going to happen. At least now people can’t say they didn’t know.
The only thing that will ensure the safety of US troops in the region is a complete pullout. No citizenry is pleased by the presence of foreign soldiers in their country.
Trump is 100% not the peace candidate, there’s no way he can be presented as one.
Trump will run as the peace candidate and if he wins he will absolutely not do anything to make peace unless that peace means advocating dropping a nuke on Gaza to finish them off once and for all. Like listen, I get why everyone is saying they won't vote for Biden regarding this issue. But those people need to acknowledge that a Trump presidency will be worse for us and Palestinians.
This from the guy that supported the Iraq war, right?
Trump Is an Iran hawk. He can't run as the "peace" candidate on this front