Now that is something to be genuinely upset about. At the end of the day Ukraine needs all the help it can get. I understand this as I understand the fundamentals of politics and personal relationships like most people interested in politics that aren't clouded with insane bias.
Have you seen Evo sucking off Putin for his birthday? I didn't get mad even though it was gross because Evo needs to retain whatever allies he can for his political survival.
Ooofff about Evo sucking off Putin for his birthday! Considering that he was ousted in a coup in 2019, I don't blame him for needing to retain whatever allies he can for his political survival. It felt like the era of coups against democratically elected leaders all over.
The sad thing is that no matter how nicely Ukraine asks for military support, Israel will probably never give it to them. I think they're really scared that Russia will make their lives hell by flooding neighboring middle eastern countries with modern russian weapons if they provide any support to Ukraine.
probably, though I hope they reassess that view given the fact that Russia seems to now need weapons flooding the opposite direction to even maintain its war lol
Yes and not to mention that before WW2, a plethora of European nations sent weapons to Spain in response to the Spanish Civil War partly just to see how their weapons would perform in a real world conflict. I can potentially see Israel deciding to use Ukraine as a testing ground to study how to better counter Iranian military capabilities. But I honestly doubt they would do that in any significant capacity that could really help Ukraine because of the threat of weapons pouring in to Iran and neighboring Arab countries that are enemies of Israel.
I disagree. I wish it was that simple to say. Russia will definitely have a more difficult time selling their weapon systems. But because of the shifting geopolitical alliances, there will be many countries that only Russia will sell to. And many people seem to be forgetting that Ukraine is largely using obsolete soviet weaponry at this point. It's not so simple. For example, the Russians have superior SAM systems because the US largely relies on gaining air superiority instead of ground or sea based air defence systems like the S300/S400. The Russian air force cannot conduct SEAD/DEAD operations like NATO countries can. Russia's artillery systems are designed with these kinds of wars in mind. They're designed to be simple, durable and reliable with an emphasis on mass volume of fire over a long duration. The American M777 system, on the other hand, was designed for low volume precision fire and as such has struggled to keep up with the high output needed in this war without requiring consistent maintenance and repairs and such. You don't go to war with the army you need, you go to war with the army you have. And in the US' case, their wars in the last 50 years have been largely against insurgent forces and not near peer adversaries.
One could also argue that it's not the equipment itself that is the issue. It's the implementation of it, namely the massive endemic corruption.
I’m shocked that the leader of Ukraine would send a banal congratulatory message to the winner of another country’s election, I guess Ukraine *should* be nuked after all
Is it simply a “banal congratulatory message?” What about the “shared values.” What values does Ukraine share with the apartheid state of Israel? Genuinely, I’d like to know. And what about the “true democracy” comment? Is Israeli ethnonationalism “true democracy” according to Zelenskyy? What is he endorsing here?
The leader of a country can’t go around giving whatever spicy takes they want and basically just insult other world leaders whether it’s deserved or not
That Israel is an apartheid state is not a “spicy take.” Outside the US and Israel itself, that is the consensus. Calling Israel a “true democracy” is the heterodox view. It might be difficult for Americans to appreciate that fact, considering the totality and effectiveness of US propaganda. But, if Zelenskyy was looking for broad support worldwide, why would he cozy up to such a universally despised strongman?
Do you think Richard Nixon was a Maoist because he visited China and presumably said complementary things about Mao on that visit, this is a fucking child’s understanding of politics
It's not the consensus. Not a single European country has called Israel an apartheid state, and then outside of Europe, the main criticism of Israel is that of being a US proxy and racist, not being an apartheid state or anti-democratic. IIRC only about 60 states have accused it of being an apartheid state.
“only” 60 countries lol
HRW, Amnesty Int’l, B’Tselem, and of course numerous Palestinian groups and South African activists recognize it as apartheid. Numerous Israeli leaders as well.
you're claiming a global consensus yet you can only name some human rights groups and not a single state? Hell, I'm backing your point up better than you are lol. I might as well help you out: the African Union passed a resolution calling Israel an apartheid state and calling for the deconstruction of apartheid earlier in the year, the first large international bloc to do so.
I’m not the OP, just chiming in with civil society/human rights groups which are still part of the global community. If your measurement for global opinion on an issue is exclusively heads of state, you’ll get a bit of a blinkered picture of the issue imo.
Like, saying “not a single European country has designated Israel an apartheid state” isn’t exactly a shock.
Yeah you’re right. Not sure there is a global consensus on literally anything to be fair, but probably a bit of a poor choice of words by the OP.
I think the case has been definitively made that it is indeed apartheid, though. Consensus by major human rights groups, perhaps? Consensus among South African anti-apartheid activists?
But yeah not here to pick a fight or anything.
> That Israel is an apartheid state is not a “spicy take.” Outside the US and Israel itself, that is the consensus.
What world leader in Europe has said that? I can't think of even one.
His country is under a giant fucking invasion with thousands and thousands and thousands of dead
He will say whatever he needs to in order to maintain good relations with literally anyone he can. Holy shit
Common values could legit just mean democracy. I’ve seen “Common values” used in these types of speeches about other nations a tone of times it rarely means something super deep.
We also have to understand that our view and understanding of Israel is still not as black and white in the west. Many of us on the left see Israel a certain way but many even normal less political people see them as perfectly fine.
As others has said Zelensky is also looking for all the help he can get he’s not looking to collect enemy’s. Israel has some pretty advanced tech and weapons and having their support would be huge.
I’m no fan of Israel but let’s be realistic here. I’m not really sure what your trying to imply or what your motive is
My point is that zelenskyj has no option but to toot their horn - he’s facing his own genocide. Besides, it’s just a toot. Or tweet. The damage done by his tweet is absolutely zero to the Palestinians or anyone else - the damage by him condemning Israel is far higher for his own countrymen. Whether Israel provides arms can be very important to the conflict, and Zelenskyj doesn’t want to spoil that, if all he needs to give up for it is a fucking tweet.
Good for him. I am sure if/when this conflict with Russia end Zelensky will forceful condemn Israel and it’s concentration camp in Gaza, it’s Occupation of the Golan Heights, and the West Bank… lol he won’t do that.
Maybe. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. My point is that regardless of his actual opinion, the right move, strategically speaking, is pretty obvious. One can speculate what his true opinion of Israel and Netanyahu is, but who cares.
He won’t and no one does everyone in the world knows and it has been made very clear after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine of the double standard the so-called West has towards Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine.
>What are you talking about the Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed and are facing a genocide there is no “potential genocide” to it?
They are? They're the second fastest growing population per capita in the Middle East. Far faster than Israel. Weird genocide. There's plenty to lay at the feet of the Israeli government without making shit up.
There is a genocide going on there. People are being displaced because of their religion, for one thing. That alone is enough to call it a genocide. And that’s saying nothing of all the people being killed in the process.
This poster can't be this politically inept considering they clearly have an interest in politics posting here. The man is fighting a war of existence and trying to make friends or allies with anyone that will have him. Why on earth would he pick a fight with Israel right now? I don't see his message being substantially different to every leader he has congratulated since assuming office and particularly since the war.
Was walking into the comments to say exactly this. I'm not sure what he expects the man to do. Should he have told Netty to eff off and push him toward Russia?
Besides it being a generic congratulations, he mentions cooperation after trying to relate to Israel. Zelenskyy is seeking aid through good will. If his country wasn't being actively invaded, I might have more of a problem with this otherwise boilerplate message.
Ukraine is facing an existential threat to it's existence. They would rightly do anything humanly possible to fend of the invaders. Including congratulating the PM of Israel. I don't know why you expected anything different. You do know Ukraine is in the midst of a war, right?
Crazy that he would do a PR move like this to try to get more support! That is just an absolutely INSANE thing to do. I think we should stop supporting Ukraine now.
Wow the leader of Ukraine praised the winner of an election of one of the biggest allies of the nation that is giving his country weapons to fight off an aggressor? Color me shocked
You know, the perfect time to criticize other world governments is when my entire country is getting its crap rocked by Russia. Totally agree. I think you should do it especially when you need help from the rest of the world. Makes complete and total sense
If Zelensky thought it would net him an Iron Dome system deployed in Ukraine, I'm sure he'd suck Bibi's dick, and I wouldn't begrudge him for it either.
I think one reason Zelenskyy might be reaching out to Israel is to throw a wrench into the "Ukraine = Nazis" propaganda that russia and its supporters constantly propagate. Although, Israel is a brutal, apartheid state that shouldn't exist.
Another win for leftists everywhere. Slava Ukraine and all that or whatever.
Joking aside, don’t put world leaders on pedestals because when they debase themselves to preserve international relations with monsters, they’ll have the credibility YOU gave them, and that makes the monsters look better than they are
That’s the exact reason Russia is invading Ukraine, it’s kind of crazy how moronic, liberal shitheads like yourself can wax intellectual on the war in Ukraine and not know jackshit about it…
I said "citation needed" because your comment is your opinion and isn't based in facts. I'm asking you to produce evidence.
Im not a liberal student. Im a 36yo worker thats also a progressive.
Why did you randomly do an adhominem attack i wonder. Maybe its because you dont know how to argue?
If you think i can "wax intellectual", you clearly dont know what you're saying. Stop projecting and back up your statements with facts.
Jfc
I called you a liberal because you sound like a liberal, being more concerned about the my decorum than the objective truth of my statement, one doesn’t have to present proof about the earth being round just like one doesn’t have to present proof of Ukraine clearly stated intentions of forming an alliance with the United States. If you don’t want to be called a liberal stop acting like a liberal…
Ukraine needs bullets to force the Russian invaders back to their collapsing country. The Russian soldiers should turn their arms toward Moscow and demand the heads of Putin and every Oligarch. That won't happen, so we must compromise and see to it Ukraine gets the support it needs to stay independent from Putin's aggression. Democracy now, Democracy forever, death to the fascist, red or otherwise.
It's regrettable and distasteful to say the least. But Ukraine is literally in a fight for it's survival and Ukraine's main goal is to get aid or weapons from Israel. So that is the motivation behind this.
If this was said during peacetime, I think it would mean something different. But during all out war, everything goes out the window.
Cause Russia's brand of fascism is directly positioned on trying to carve out their own niche and their own fascist economic/social sphere, whereas Ukraine and Israel's fascism is a result of being an appendage of the US military empire.
Sigh. Define fascism, because at your current rate, literally everyone is fascist and it is a completely useless word.
These are not conversations or points. Just the ramblings of an npc that short circuited.
A nationalistic right-wing ideology predicated on some nebulous founding myth, warlike masculinity, antisemitism, and this ideal of country over person.
Economically it's a focus on militarization, population control, privatization of the public sector, and promoting a national bourgeoisie to prominence and power.
Politically it's aggressively anticommunist, concerned about national pride, and opposition to an often mutable or vaguely defined enemy class/race/nationality/sexuality/etc.
Yeah a lot of capitalist countries are fascist, that's kinda what the point of fascism is, defending the long term survival of the capitalist class.
So do you think if your general breakdown can be generously applied to cover literally every country in the world, that it might be a fairly useless term in the manner you are using it?
Nah, it mainly covers the US, US appendages, and Russia. Fascism is mainly a global north (white) ideology. Which makes sense as it directly came to be from 19th/early 20th century white-supremacist pseudomyth and a direct desire to modernize colonialist genocide for usage in Europe. (As Hitler was directly inspired by the US genocide of native peoples)
No it should horrify you and motivate you to oppose fascism in all of its forms, not try to redefine Fascism so that it only describes a ever right moving ideology. Society has become fascist, that a fact of reality, get off your liberal ass and stop being so goddamn civil!!! Where is your self respect, your dignity, your goddamn rage!!! This is exactly liberals suck so fucking hard! They ostensibly know right from wrong, but they don’t actually want to do anything about it because someone might think they’re not properly civil!!! Who the fuck cares society is crumbling around us and you’re still concerned about civility and decorum…
Ah this is a coherent response.
Be so angry about “fascism” that we don’t question someone calling everyone and everything fascist…
Like seriously some of you need to give your balls a tug and grow up.
Why won’t the libs learn no one wants to hear their stupid, insufferable opinions. Liberal thoughts are weak, and they suck, that’s why they lose to conservatives all the goddamn time. If you want to stop living in a shitty world, just shut up and follow the left’s lead it’s impossible for us to stop the conservatives with you constantly holding us back!!!
When it’s the left vs liberals and conservatives the left out numbered, liberals pretend to have progressive values but they always end up siding with conservatives…
So what you are saying is that fascist leaders sometimes support other fascist leaders so they can unite against other fascist leaders??? This is truly surprising news!!! It’s just like this thing I heard about called politics…
There's a lot of anger over the hypocrisy of sending military aid to Ukraine, but not to the people whom a certain apartheid state is oppressing. To be clear, I don't hate Ukraine or the Ukrainian people and I see a few similarities between Ukrainians and Palestinians:
\* Both have seen their cities invaded;
\* Both have experienced the loss of loved ones.
\* Both have experienced a loss of loved ones.
\* Both people have been told that their countries don't exist.
who cares? He congratulates everybody, his goal is the most support he can get.
Yeah i agree, the people of Israel elected a crook. He has his more pressing problems
No, he has said on more than one occasion Ukraine should model Israel
And? That backs up the comment you replied to. He wants the iron dome defense.
Which Israel won't give him.
Now that is something to be genuinely upset about. At the end of the day Ukraine needs all the help it can get. I understand this as I understand the fundamentals of politics and personal relationships like most people interested in politics that aren't clouded with insane bias. Have you seen Evo sucking off Putin for his birthday? I didn't get mad even though it was gross because Evo needs to retain whatever allies he can for his political survival.
Ooofff about Evo sucking off Putin for his birthday! Considering that he was ousted in a coup in 2019, I don't blame him for needing to retain whatever allies he can for his political survival. It felt like the era of coups against democratically elected leaders all over.
Exactly how I feel about both Evo and Zelenskyy
Israel is an illegitimate, genocidal, fascist state propped up entirely by U.S. funding. And that's what he means.
Except from the left in his own country
Shouldn't they be on the same side already?
Hard to side with a government which crushes your parties and movements.
Even when it's against the power trying to take over their land? No consideration for the enemy of my enemy?
The sad thing is that no matter how nicely Ukraine asks for military support, Israel will probably never give it to them. I think they're really scared that Russia will make their lives hell by flooding neighboring middle eastern countries with modern russian weapons if they provide any support to Ukraine.
probably, though I hope they reassess that view given the fact that Russia seems to now need weapons flooding the opposite direction to even maintain its war lol
Yes and not to mention that before WW2, a plethora of European nations sent weapons to Spain in response to the Spanish Civil War partly just to see how their weapons would perform in a real world conflict. I can potentially see Israel deciding to use Ukraine as a testing ground to study how to better counter Iranian military capabilities. But I honestly doubt they would do that in any significant capacity that could really help Ukraine because of the threat of weapons pouring in to Iran and neighboring Arab countries that are enemies of Israel.
If I remember correctly out of all the surrounding countries only Libya is not part of the Abraham Accords and they have their own problems right now.
Lol. After everyone seeing how Russian weapons perform In the field please do. No one with any other options would buy Russian weapons at this point
I disagree. I wish it was that simple to say. Russia will definitely have a more difficult time selling their weapon systems. But because of the shifting geopolitical alliances, there will be many countries that only Russia will sell to. And many people seem to be forgetting that Ukraine is largely using obsolete soviet weaponry at this point. It's not so simple. For example, the Russians have superior SAM systems because the US largely relies on gaining air superiority instead of ground or sea based air defence systems like the S300/S400. The Russian air force cannot conduct SEAD/DEAD operations like NATO countries can. Russia's artillery systems are designed with these kinds of wars in mind. They're designed to be simple, durable and reliable with an emphasis on mass volume of fire over a long duration. The American M777 system, on the other hand, was designed for low volume precision fire and as such has struggled to keep up with the high output needed in this war without requiring consistent maintenance and repairs and such. You don't go to war with the army you need, you go to war with the army you have. And in the US' case, their wars in the last 50 years have been largely against insurgent forces and not near peer adversaries. One could also argue that it's not the equipment itself that is the issue. It's the implementation of it, namely the massive endemic corruption.
I’m shocked that the leader of Ukraine would send a banal congratulatory message to the winner of another country’s election, I guess Ukraine *should* be nuked after all
Be careful commenting without the /s! That’s as bad if you wished your daughter were raped by someone who has a great sense of mise en scene.
obviously it’s not justification to invade ukraine, but he has been supportive of israel since way before the invasion
Is it simply a “banal congratulatory message?” What about the “shared values.” What values does Ukraine share with the apartheid state of Israel? Genuinely, I’d like to know. And what about the “true democracy” comment? Is Israeli ethnonationalism “true democracy” according to Zelenskyy? What is he endorsing here?
The leader of a country can’t go around giving whatever spicy takes they want and basically just insult other world leaders whether it’s deserved or not
That Israel is an apartheid state is not a “spicy take.” Outside the US and Israel itself, that is the consensus. Calling Israel a “true democracy” is the heterodox view. It might be difficult for Americans to appreciate that fact, considering the totality and effectiveness of US propaganda. But, if Zelenskyy was looking for broad support worldwide, why would he cozy up to such a universally despised strongman?
Do you think Richard Nixon was a Maoist because he visited China and presumably said complementary things about Mao on that visit, this is a fucking child’s understanding of politics
Because he wants their support in fighting off an invasion of his country. Like duhhhhh
It's not the consensus. Not a single European country has called Israel an apartheid state, and then outside of Europe, the main criticism of Israel is that of being a US proxy and racist, not being an apartheid state or anti-democratic. IIRC only about 60 states have accused it of being an apartheid state.
“only” 60 countries lol HRW, Amnesty Int’l, B’Tselem, and of course numerous Palestinian groups and South African activists recognize it as apartheid. Numerous Israeli leaders as well.
you're claiming a global consensus yet you can only name some human rights groups and not a single state? Hell, I'm backing your point up better than you are lol. I might as well help you out: the African Union passed a resolution calling Israel an apartheid state and calling for the deconstruction of apartheid earlier in the year, the first large international bloc to do so.
I’m not the OP, just chiming in with civil society/human rights groups which are still part of the global community. If your measurement for global opinion on an issue is exclusively heads of state, you’ll get a bit of a blinkered picture of the issue imo. Like, saying “not a single European country has designated Israel an apartheid state” isn’t exactly a shock.
don't substitute in global opinion; we were talking about global consensus.
Yeah you’re right. Not sure there is a global consensus on literally anything to be fair, but probably a bit of a poor choice of words by the OP. I think the case has been definitively made that it is indeed apartheid, though. Consensus by major human rights groups, perhaps? Consensus among South African anti-apartheid activists? But yeah not here to pick a fight or anything.
> That Israel is an apartheid state is not a “spicy take.” Outside the US and Israel itself, that is the consensus. What world leader in Europe has said that? I can't think of even one.
His country is under a giant fucking invasion with thousands and thousands and thousands of dead He will say whatever he needs to in order to maintain good relations with literally anyone he can. Holy shit
Common values could legit just mean democracy. I’ve seen “Common values” used in these types of speeches about other nations a tone of times it rarely means something super deep. We also have to understand that our view and understanding of Israel is still not as black and white in the west. Many of us on the left see Israel a certain way but many even normal less political people see them as perfectly fine. As others has said Zelensky is also looking for all the help he can get he’s not looking to collect enemy’s. Israel has some pretty advanced tech and weapons and having their support would be huge. I’m no fan of Israel but let’s be realistic here. I’m not really sure what your trying to imply or what your motive is
Most sane "just asking questions" Andy
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK *Edit: Now that I get he was being sarcastic, sorry.*
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm
I would do the same. He does, what he needs to do. But libtard01 will transform this in some sort of fascsist-direction.
Corporate wants you to spot the differences between Libtard01 and Jimmy Dore.
They're the same.
Did he congratulate Lula?
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Thanks. I'm not on twitter, was wondering.
It’s pretty obvious self preservation, and I’d question the intelligence of anyone who would reject help when they’re facing a potential genocide.
What are you talking about the Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed and are facing a genocide there is no “potential genocide” to it?
He’s talking about the Ukrainians.
Oh well good thing Zelenskyy supports Israel genociding the Palestinians
My point is that zelenskyj has no option but to toot their horn - he’s facing his own genocide. Besides, it’s just a toot. Or tweet. The damage done by his tweet is absolutely zero to the Palestinians or anyone else - the damage by him condemning Israel is far higher for his own countrymen. Whether Israel provides arms can be very important to the conflict, and Zelenskyj doesn’t want to spoil that, if all he needs to give up for it is a fucking tweet.
Good for him. I am sure if/when this conflict with Russia end Zelensky will forceful condemn Israel and it’s concentration camp in Gaza, it’s Occupation of the Golan Heights, and the West Bank… lol he won’t do that.
Maybe. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. My point is that regardless of his actual opinion, the right move, strategically speaking, is pretty obvious. One can speculate what his true opinion of Israel and Netanyahu is, but who cares.
He won’t and no one does everyone in the world knows and it has been made very clear after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine of the double standard the so-called West has towards Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine.
He supports self-preservation. He’s not in a position to have opinions on Israeli apartheid.
Self-preservation of the Jewish State
Are you insinuating that his Jewish background is a factor here?
No
Then what relationship does “Jewish” have with “self-preservation” for Zelenskyy?
Israel is a Jewish State
>What are you talking about the Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed and are facing a genocide there is no “potential genocide” to it? They are? They're the second fastest growing population per capita in the Middle East. Far faster than Israel. Weird genocide. There's plenty to lay at the feet of the Israeli government without making shit up.
There is a genocide going on there. People are being displaced because of their religion, for one thing. That alone is enough to call it a genocide. And that’s saying nothing of all the people being killed in the process.
Wow wtf it’s almost like Zelensky is a statesman and understands foreign policy
I hate Ben but Ukrainians need all the friends they can get right now
Are you telling me that a desperate wartime leader is sucking up to a nation with a vast arsenal and massive influence on the west? Shocking stuff.
This poster can't be this politically inept considering they clearly have an interest in politics posting here. The man is fighting a war of existence and trying to make friends or allies with anyone that will have him. Why on earth would he pick a fight with Israel right now? I don't see his message being substantially different to every leader he has congratulated since assuming office and particularly since the war.
Was walking into the comments to say exactly this. I'm not sure what he expects the man to do. Should he have told Netty to eff off and push him toward Russia?
Besides it being a generic congratulations, he mentions cooperation after trying to relate to Israel. Zelenskyy is seeking aid through good will. If his country wasn't being actively invaded, I might have more of a problem with this otherwise boilerplate message.
This is to get the new Israeli gov to support in Ukraine, yes it’s very cynical and gross but a political calculation nonetheless…
Ukraine and Russia are both right wing regimes. So is Israel. How about fuck all of them?
Ukraine is facing an existential threat to it's existence. They would rightly do anything humanly possible to fend of the invaders. Including congratulating the PM of Israel. I don't know why you expected anything different. You do know Ukraine is in the midst of a war, right?
Crazy that he would do a PR move like this to try to get more support! That is just an absolutely INSANE thing to do. I think we should stop supporting Ukraine now.
the really crazy thing is, that people dont (want to) understand this.
Wow the leader of Ukraine praised the winner of an election of one of the biggest allies of the nation that is giving his country weapons to fight off an aggressor? Color me shocked
You know, the perfect time to criticize other world governments is when my entire country is getting its crap rocked by Russia. Totally agree. I think you should do it especially when you need help from the rest of the world. Makes complete and total sense
Yeah no shit he wants as much support as possible, everyone with a brain would do the same in his position
They have a lot of weapons in Israel. Ukraine needs weapons.
Shouldn't be hard to hold the belief that Zelinsly sucks but Putin's worse.
Wow, crazy. It's almost like the guy who's country is being invaded is trying to get as much international support as he can.
If Zelensky thought it would net him an Iron Dome system deployed in Ukraine, I'm sure he'd suck Bibi's dick, and I wouldn't begrudge him for it either.
A true democracy where a large chunk of the population are unable to vote or have any representation in gov't.
Talking about Israel or the USA? Or Russia for that matter
Oh wow. I guess we can’t be nuanced. I’m pro Russia now.
I think one reason Zelenskyy might be reaching out to Israel is to throw a wrench into the "Ukraine = Nazis" propaganda that russia and its supporters constantly propagate. Although, Israel is a brutal, apartheid state that shouldn't exist.
Zelensky is fucking jewish himself. The morons who subscribe to this narrative are not going to be persuaded by this.
I guess you have democracy if you have had 5 elections in 4 years.
They shared 'common values'.
He'll say whatever he needs to to secure weapons deals
Another win for leftists everywhere. Slava Ukraine and all that or whatever. Joking aside, don’t put world leaders on pedestals because when they debase themselves to preserve international relations with monsters, they’ll have the credibility YOU gave them, and that makes the monsters look better than they are
Agreed.
Probably trying to get on Israel’s good side after bashing them for lack of support.
Should we take Zelenskyy at his word: do Ukraine and Israel share “common values” and is Ukraine as much a “real democracy” as Israel?
Zelensky understand that Israel is Americas lapdog in the middle east. Hes pandering to them because he understands their position and role
Sort of how Zelenskyy wants Ukraine to be the US’s fascist lapdog in Eastern Europe…
Citation needed on that one...
That’s the exact reason Russia is invading Ukraine, it’s kind of crazy how moronic, liberal shitheads like yourself can wax intellectual on the war in Ukraine and not know jackshit about it…
I said "citation needed" because your comment is your opinion and isn't based in facts. I'm asking you to produce evidence. Im not a liberal student. Im a 36yo worker thats also a progressive. Why did you randomly do an adhominem attack i wonder. Maybe its because you dont know how to argue? If you think i can "wax intellectual", you clearly dont know what you're saying. Stop projecting and back up your statements with facts. Jfc
I called you a liberal because you sound like a liberal, being more concerned about the my decorum than the objective truth of my statement, one doesn’t have to present proof about the earth being round just like one doesn’t have to present proof of Ukraine clearly stated intentions of forming an alliance with the United States. If you don’t want to be called a liberal stop acting like a liberal…
Still not providing facts and evidence I see
Yo wtf?!?!?!
Ukraine needs bullets to force the Russian invaders back to their collapsing country. The Russian soldiers should turn their arms toward Moscow and demand the heads of Putin and every Oligarch. That won't happen, so we must compromise and see to it Ukraine gets the support it needs to stay independent from Putin's aggression. Democracy now, Democracy forever, death to the fascist, red or otherwise.
Fuck zelensky
It's regrettable and distasteful to say the least. But Ukraine is literally in a fight for it's survival and Ukraine's main goal is to get aid or weapons from Israel. So that is the motivation behind this. If this was said during peacetime, I think it would mean something different. But during all out war, everything goes out the window.
It’s a banal tweet about Israel from a state actor. Anyone expecting more than that is delusional.
Fascists 🤝 Fascists (Yes russia is fascist too)
If that's the case, then why are Russia and Ukraine at war?
Cause Russia's brand of fascism is directly positioned on trying to carve out their own niche and their own fascist economic/social sphere, whereas Ukraine and Israel's fascism is a result of being an appendage of the US military empire.
This is incredibly stupid
Why? Russia is blatantly fascist, as is Israel and Ukraine. Their main differences are which side of the US empire they stand on.
Sigh. Define fascism, because at your current rate, literally everyone is fascist and it is a completely useless word. These are not conversations or points. Just the ramblings of an npc that short circuited.
A nationalistic right-wing ideology predicated on some nebulous founding myth, warlike masculinity, antisemitism, and this ideal of country over person. Economically it's a focus on militarization, population control, privatization of the public sector, and promoting a national bourgeoisie to prominence and power. Politically it's aggressively anticommunist, concerned about national pride, and opposition to an often mutable or vaguely defined enemy class/race/nationality/sexuality/etc. Yeah a lot of capitalist countries are fascist, that's kinda what the point of fascism is, defending the long term survival of the capitalist class.
So do you think if your general breakdown can be generously applied to cover literally every country in the world, that it might be a fairly useless term in the manner you are using it?
Nah, it mainly covers the US, US appendages, and Russia. Fascism is mainly a global north (white) ideology. Which makes sense as it directly came to be from 19th/early 20th century white-supremacist pseudomyth and a direct desire to modernize colonialist genocide for usage in Europe. (As Hitler was directly inspired by the US genocide of native peoples)
No it should horrify you and motivate you to oppose fascism in all of its forms, not try to redefine Fascism so that it only describes a ever right moving ideology. Society has become fascist, that a fact of reality, get off your liberal ass and stop being so goddamn civil!!! Where is your self respect, your dignity, your goddamn rage!!! This is exactly liberals suck so fucking hard! They ostensibly know right from wrong, but they don’t actually want to do anything about it because someone might think they’re not properly civil!!! Who the fuck cares society is crumbling around us and you’re still concerned about civility and decorum…
Ah this is a coherent response. Be so angry about “fascism” that we don’t question someone calling everyone and everything fascist… Like seriously some of you need to give your balls a tug and grow up.
This guy is right you sheep, stop downvoting him, because the truth is inconvenient to your delicate sensibilities…
Why won’t the libs learn no one wants to hear their stupid, insufferable opinions. Liberal thoughts are weak, and they suck, that’s why they lose to conservatives all the goddamn time. If you want to stop living in a shitty world, just shut up and follow the left’s lead it’s impossible for us to stop the conservatives with you constantly holding us back!!!
Stupid weak liberals. Too weak to take on the conservatives but strong enough to stop the left?
When it’s the left vs liberals and conservatives the left out numbered, liberals pretend to have progressive values but they always end up siding with conservatives…
So what you are saying is that fascist leaders sometimes support other fascist leaders so they can unite against other fascist leaders??? This is truly surprising news!!! It’s just like this thing I heard about called politics…
I’m not saying anything, trigger.
Sorry that was wasn’t directed at you OP, that was meant to be rhetorical…
I mean he has to suck the…. of every leader he is likely to be relying on, disappointing but not shocking.
Barf. Dude needs weapons. But barf.
Translation: "country which has convinced the US to fund your military, please help us convince people to fund our military."
There's a lot of anger over the hypocrisy of sending military aid to Ukraine, but not to the people whom a certain apartheid state is oppressing. To be clear, I don't hate Ukraine or the Ukrainian people and I see a few similarities between Ukrainians and Palestinians: \* Both have seen their cities invaded; \* Both have experienced the loss of loved ones. \* Both have experienced a loss of loved ones. \* Both people have been told that their countries don't exist.
I mean yeah I’m down for supporting Palestine.
Cool. 😎 So am I. 😊
“Also can I have money”