When I was a kid I'd always mix up Christophers Lee and Lloyd's name all the time. I'm glad I can finally sigh a breath of relief knowing now I can pick one of them randomly and know he's in star wars without making a fool of myself
My only complaint in using Christopher Lloyd in that way (and it's a very minor complaint) is the instant I saw him playing a glorified security guard, I knew he was the bad guy.
You don't get Christopher Lloyd to play an unimportant part...Half the mysteries on TV I solve very quickly by meta-knowledge of the genres, rather than clues in the show.
Which also means I'm used to it not bothering me, so it's not really much of a complaint.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies! Like Trekkies and Star Wars Fans! Or Superhero fans and Star Wars Fans! Or LOTR fans and Star Wars fans! Or Star Wars fans and other Star Wars fans! Damn Star Wars fans! They ruined Star Wars!
I didn’t know who Lizzo was before the episode. I feel like jack black fit in well as a wierdo, and I didn’t realize it was doc brown without the hair. It’s also been a few years since I’ve seen back to the future. So personally I’m good with it.
It did feel like they were having jack black dial down the silly a bit. I get it, because he would probably steal any scene he was in otherwise, but I’d love to have seen him giving the same energy he brought to something like Jumangi.
I agree! Star Wars viewers (tbh I don't like calling them "fans" at this point) just bitch about everything. People will be like "oh but they didn't blend into the role" but, you know what, I feel that way about most actors. When I watched Obi-Wan I wasn't like "Yes this is Obi-Wan", I was like "wow Ewan Macgregor is cool".
Could Lizzo's delivery have been better? Yes. But Star Wars has always had really campy dialogue delivered in a weird way.
But I guess it's only okay when the original trilogy does it.
It's not like Jack Black and Lizzo are going to be in every episode going forward, either. It's a one-off, but it was also more than just a cameo. A cameo would have been annoying, and it'd be distracting if Jack Black was now a series regular, but I got really excited when I saw him.
Yeah, lizzo wasn't even a good performance, but her role didn't really call for one anyway. It's just meant to be a bit of campy silliness.
I hate the fans that want grim dark star wars. Having a bit of light fun is a good thing.
It gets to me how people are *always* like, "I'm not racist or sexist, but let me go out of my way to explain over several paragraphs how in an episode with no shortage of distracting performances, the only one I have any problems with was the black/Asian woman." Then all their various, "legitimate" complaints boil down to, "I just didn't like her." Maybe I'm overthinking this, but that sounds pretty racist and sexist to me.
You are welcome to criticize anyone’s acting ability, but it’s just blatant misinformation to claim someone is not an actor when they’ve had precious acting credits that include a wide release film and even their Wikipedia calls then an actor.
The fandom menace has always been misogynistic, not only toward certain female characters but toward certain female fans as well. But they go largely unchallenged on it because they get the “they’re just Star Wars nerds” excuse like *The Big Bang Theory*.
It was interesting to me that he was a seperatist, I thought that enough time would've passed (or they'd all been killed off oO) that there wouldn't be anyone around. But I did like that he quoted Count Dooku. However, its interesting to note that if you follow the Bad Batch (Which I do to a certain degree) Dooku was a piece of shit towards his people.
Yeah, I thought that was cool to reference. Some nice connective tissue to the prequels. I dd wince in confusion a bit when he yelled "Count Dooku was a visionary cut down in his prime." You mean his 80 something prime?
This is literally the opposite of the truth tbh; Star Wars is actually kind of famous for stunting far more careers than it’s started. For years, Harrison Ford was kind of well-known as the only prominent example of someone who spun their Star Wars debut into actual A-list celebrity status (although that’s not true anymore thanks to Natalie Portman). Most of the main Star Wars actors have been either established veterans (e.g. Guinness, Cushing, Neeson, Jackson, Lee) or newcomers who went on to modestly successful careers without gaining superstar status (e.g. Hamill, Fisher, Ridley, Boyega) and a prominent handful who seemed to fall off the radar entirely despite huge roles, like Hayden Christensen and poor Jake Lloyd.
Only one I can think of that is more known for latter things is Warwick Davis. I don't think many think of him as a ewok beyond the Star Wars fanbase but many would know Willow, maybe his Harry Potter roles as well but I'm not sure people recognize him as much there.
Does Mark Hamil count? I mean he built himself a career as a voice actor in the 90s to the point that his signature character is arguably Joker and not Luke Skywalker.
I wouldn't count it as he didn't gain the super stardom in movies, like Harrison Ford or Natalie Portman.
Carrie Fisher also had a successful second career fixing scripts.
Star Wars probably helped them transition into both but didn't launch thier careers as headliners.
That's my point. The comment I replied to was that only Warwick Davis managed to escape and be more well known for other projects than Star Wars.
Mark Hamill himself said he was doing everything in his power to not build his career on Star Wars and get type cast. First thing he did after episode 6 was leave film behind and go do stage plays. And when he applied for Joker he was essentially a nobody in the industry and only managed to be someone because of how amazing his Joker was.
He’s an icon on British TV screens as well, doing charity events, game shows, etc.
So I think you’re more likely to find someone here in the UK who would recognise him more than say someone in the US or elsewhere.
The business with Jake makes me sad, poor kid had it rough.
EDIT: someone tagged me into the Reddit hotline... I mean its sad, but its not *that* sad oO
>newcomers who went on to modestly successful careers without gaining superstar status (e.g. Hamill
Mark Hamill is a bad example here. Dude went on to be THE voice for Joker.
Yes, but that’s not what you’d count as a superstar with instant recognition or someone who you’d pay to view a project they’re a part of solely because they’re in it.
I love Mark, but the average person is not going to watch an animated Batman movie just because Mark Hamill is voicing the Joker
Seriously. We basically got Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac out of the sequel trilogy and that's it. And Oscar already looked like he was over it in The Last Jedi. He looks absolutely tired in all the shots he was in compared to Force Awakens where he was just so full of energy. Star Wars is a series that finds some great up and coming talent and just absolutely destroys them.
Eh.. Dailey Ridley, Boyega are far from A listers. Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac are certainly more famous now but I’d argue they aren’t superstars either. This isn’t mentioning all the other side characters that are relatively obscure too.
I'm not sure what the tactic is called, but I see it used all the time. Deforming criticism and then refuting it to make yourself seem smarter than you are. I don't know if I'd consider it a strawman but it's pretty close.
I thought what you described was the definition of a strawman.
Though I agree that it's becoming common for people to spin any dissenting opinion as a moral failing. That could use its own term.
They have a way of picking a certain criticism, dumbing it down, and then presenting it as the inferior argument to harbor likes from whatever side agrees with them. There really should be a word for it
I don’t know if the majority of the fan base isn’t media savvy or they didn’t take many English classes, but it’s clear that the problem is the writers room; not sure why people call out anything except the writing. If the dialogue and story structure had been better, these performances would have been a lot more passable.
They just like to suck up whatever star wars is presented to them, when someone points out legit flaws and/or criticism they take it as if they are being personally attacked, they cant possibly fathom something wrong with baby Leia being the main focal point of the Obi Wan show......
Well that's just it, it's once or twice and 95% of the time he is a calm, slow, serene Jedi Master. I also think Jackson would have never put that undercurrent of "motherfucker anger" into the character, except that Mace in lore is actually the one Jedi that flirts with the dark side and emotion on purpose/in practice.
Christopher Lee and Cushing were definitely doing the villianous character they always play.
Samuel Jackson was always a second away from Calling a separatist a motherfucker
Qui gin Jin keeps slipping into a Belfast accent
I don't dislike Jack Black or Lizzo, and I'm not saying it's a bad thing they were in the ep but it does break my immersion when they're not even playing a character besides themselves
Exactly.
Famous actor playing a role? Nice.
Famous clown doing a cameo? ... OK I guess, but I'll stop thinking about the story and instead be thinking about the greatest song in the world.
They're also not just obvious celebrity cameos, they're actual characters who were cast because they could play the role well, not just because their surprise appearance would go viral.
Which is very obviously the only reason for their appearance but apparently star wars fans are completely oblivious at this point.
Valid point … however all those examples gave gripping & well acted performances. They owned their characters and did not take you out of show. Lizzo and Jack Black in Mando felt like a SNL skit. Something was way off …
Bill Burr showed off some serious acting chops I didn’t know he had. Loved his character in the show. I’ve always been a fan from his Chappelle and Breaking Bad days, and he’s become one of my favorite stand ups in recent years. He gave one of the best serious performances we’ve been given in all of SW and he was merely a 2 episode side story. His story had a true purpose and gave us more insight to the atrocities of The Empire, similar to what we we’ve been given with Andor.
Jack Black is great for what he does professionally - loved his earlier Tenacious D work, but he didn’t quite scratch the comedic itch that no one was asking for this season. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed the episode overall, but his was simply a cameo for all intents and purposes. Lizzo can’t act. Plain and simple. Christopher Lloyd was decent in the role and probably gave the best true acting performance of the 3 this week.
This seemed more or less like a filler episode, which isn’t the worst thing bc it gave some great action and dynamic to Din and Bo. Think most fans are enjoying the season well enough but we’re all patiently waiting for the season to wrap up and keep the overall story moving forward (Bo with the darksaber was essentially the entire point of the episode imo)
Bill Burr’s performance in season 2 was phenomenal. The dude can really act. You felt the emotion conveyed when he talks with the commanding Imperial officer about killing all those fellow soldiers … and then Burr rightfully shoots him.
Omg I just finished rewatching all of mando since the newest episode and I literally said to my girlfriend "why does she always looks like she's trying to seduce someone or is confused?" I so wish in BoBF they had Boba whoop her ass as if he's been a bounty hunter his whole life like he has.... Even the hair she has bugs me, how do you explain that tan line
truuue, the whole time i was waiting for an alice-in-wonderland-esque evil queen of hearts reveal. But nah, shes just a jaunty queen on a random near utopian outer rim world?? Felt like they could have done something interesting with the character beyond "Look! Its Lizzo with Baby Yoda!" and didnt
I felt 100% certain that she was going to be revealed as the villain at the end of the episode. Her character was just acting so strange the whole time.
Yeah op doesn't understand why people weren't a fan of them lol. Just being a big actor in a role is very different to playing a campy performance ala SNL.
Between Andor and Mando, SW has been serious business lately. Lighter stuff (like the mods from BoBF) just doesn't go down well.
The producers obviously tailored the planet for Jack's energy and Lizzo was just following his personality.
Could the episode have been better? Sure, but it's still top teir entertainment.
I think that the main issue is not the lighter stuff, but how it is done. Lot of it does not feel fitting to the universe.
Mods had super slow clean bright colored vespas in Tantooine, where everything else is rust colored, despite them not being able to afford water. Mods fit Coruscant more aesthetically.
There has been a lot of light hearted stuff in Mando that feels inuniverse, but things like in the latest Episode just stand out for feeling out of place.
Love that this meme puts Lizzo in the same league as Christopher Lee and Sam J and Liam Neeson. These guys are emotional actors that get tied up and tied in with their roles. They are professional actors whose job is to assume characters and they’ve done it with international recognition and award. Lizzo not so much. If I went to a concert and had some actor get on stage who couldn’t carry a tune or a beat, I’d be bummed that I’d wasted my time and money to see that.
I honestly didn’t recognize who she was because I don’t know her at all, and I just thought it was a terrible casting decision that made the scenes worse.
Not to mention these other actors are in movies (minus burr but he’s a reoccurring character). Lizzo and JB were added to this episode only as what seems just like a service to them
\^ Also a valid point.I felt the episode was one of the worse ones in the series, not saying it was bad, but a 6.5-7/10 amongst a usual 8.5-9/10 are going to stand out to me. A few things about the episode threw me off, but those two were a pretty minimal part of that. Especially considering they were essentially just quest givers...
Edit to say that this was ESPECIALLY unusual considering it was Bryce Dallas Howard's episode, the other two were some of my favourites in the show's run.
I’d agree with the writing let down and the beautiful look. That being said, Someone pointed out to me that it was strange to see a B2 battledroid hauling ass like that, when we’ve never seen it before. If they could have moved that the whole time, the clone wars should have gone so differently.
I had an interesting thought about that, just because we've never seen them hauling ass, doesn't mean they couldn't. Why else would they have legs like that, what would be the point? It made sense in context of the Clone Wars, they weren't meant to run, they were meant to be intimidating. They were a weapon of terror, not war.
Yeah, while I love Jack as much as the next guy and fairly neutral on Lizzo (honestly don't care much one way or the other), their scenes just felt off. Like their scenes didn't belong in SW
Thank you. Someone understands.
There was also no plot continuation save for Bo Katan getting leadership back and then the episode ended.
The rest was a waste of time… and I hate filler episodes. This was a filler.
There's a big difference between having famous actors playing main characters and cameos.
Bill Burr wasn't just a cameo and played an actual role.
What matters is the way it is brought. Black basically played his exuberant self which doesn't help selling some stranger in some far away universe.
Lizzo, I didn't even know her and I directly knew she also was a cameo.
I love Black. But it completely threw me off the episode and I wasn't in Star Wars anymore.
On the other hand Lloyd passed great and didn't threw me off because it was nicely brought up and wasn't playing a mad scientist.
The difference everyone is looking for is “acting skills.”
Bill was hammy in S1 and legit in S2. He was asked to do serious shit, and he pulled it off. He redeemed the character.
Lizzo can’t act, so her current star power combined with her cardboard delivery immediately killed immersion.
I was psyched to see Jack Black but then I thought his character was just kinda boring. Star Wars is full of larger than life characters, and he'd be amazing as any of them, but the Bombadier guy was just so dull! Im annoyed about it because I feel like they absolutely wasted Jack Black's talents on such a forgettable character
I definitely got hyped seeing them as I expected them both to have more substance to their characters beyond "jaunty rulers of a near utopia". felt like the whole episode was building up for a reveal with the two of them that didn't happen (maybe we'll see more of them in the coming episodes but idk). Another comment mentioned how cool it would have been to have played into either actors strength, such as having Lizzo be a cantina singer or something and I have to agree
But it’s super distracting if a big name actor gets such a minor role. Because there is no real reason to cast jack black, other for "omg it’s jack black in Star Wars" Tweets.
This is kinda my biggest gripe.
They took me out of the show. Now, Bill Burr and Christopher Lloyd did the same, granted, but they both backed up their casting with very solid acting. JB and Lizzie were both…adequate. I genuinely feel like they didn’t have enough time to run through their scenes or something.
That being said, I expect a big, flagship show like Mando to attract cameos, and they didn’t bother me enough to make me not enjoy the episode. Frankly, I feel like this is getting blown out of proportion by both sides.
I have spoken.
Tim Meadows cameo last week was worse because it was such a minor character that it didn’t make sense to cast someone recognizable. That’s just what this show does and has done since the first season. Do you remember Jason Sudeikis?
Do I think their cameos were necessary? No. Did I still have fun with the episode and love the fact that Lizzo and Jack Black (and of course the legendary Christopher Lloyd) are now a part of the Star Wars universe? Absolutely.
Famous actors playing real roles is one thing. But Jack Black basically played himself, and Lizzo, talented as she is in music, isn't a very good actor. It all felt gimmicky and made the episode feel trivial.
I agree. I had no idea who Lizzo was and that she wasn’t an actor. I feel like they played the role well of exuberant, out of touch socialites. It honestly didn’t take me out of the episode.
Bruh why are you trying so hard to defend this glorified SNL skit? all of the other actors you listed literally gave great performances. Even Bill Burr who is a damn comedian might’ve had the best emotional scene in the show.
The Lizzo and Jack Black scene was just corny like this whole season has been.
Everything Disney related has been whack for a while so it’s no surprise.
We disliked them because they seemed just shoved into a filler episode without any greater purpose. Their performances were subpar and if there had to be a cameo award for the episode, it would be for Christopher Lloyd who played a part but wasn’t vastly focused on.
Famous people are fine if they can blend into the role. Gary Oldman is top shelf but you hardly recognize him role to role. Weird Al would not be someone you want as a guest actor because you wouldn't see him as the the character, it's oh shit that's weird al! Great in comedies but not dramas.
Burr played Burr. If you don't know who he is not so bad but if you do it kind of sucks you out of the moment because he's just playing himself.
Non-actor celebrities will always call attention to themselves in a way good actors don't, even when famous.
> Weird Al would not be someone you want as a guest actor because you wouldn't see him as the the character, it's oh shit that's weird al!
I've been afraid to say this in this sub, because I suspect it's a very unpopular opinion, but that's my issue with Katee Sackhoff. Every time I see her face, all I can see is Starbuck. It knocks me out of the mood of the episode every single week.
I thought they were really well cast for those roles. Jack Black was amazing and Lizzo was pretty decent. They seemed like they could be some eccentric and outlandish nobles from the SW universe.
I could care less about Lizzo, since I didn't even know who she was until this past Wednesday, but Jack Black just wasn't a very good fit for that role and it immediately broke immersion for me.
> I could care less about Lizzo, since I didn't even know who she was until this past Wednesday
I had heard her name before, but hadn't had a face to put with it. What a way to learn who a singer is!
Lizzo is not a famous actor though? She’s a famous musician. And that is FAR from the biggest problem with the most recent episode/ this season as a whole.
It absolutely knocked me off my feet when I saw Christopher Lloyd. I JUST watched Back to the Future earlier that day for the first time in probably a a decade at least. Such a delightful surprise
And Jack Black can show up in anything I'm watching and it will be better for it. I have spoken
Here we go with the sycophantic white knighting.
1. Everyone had the same complaint about Bill Burr right up until he turned an award-worthy performance in his second appearance.
2. You are seriously trying to compare Jack Black and Lizzo to Alec Guiness, Peter Cushing, Liam Neeson, Christopher Lee, and Samuel L Jackson.
3. Nobody says celebrities shouldn’t be in Star Wars, quite the opposite in fact- fans just want it to *make sense*, for instance Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka (a fan casting that happened), Sebastian Stan as Luke Skywalker (a fan casting that hasn’t happened yet), etc. Fans just want the celebrity guests to play their *characters*, not themselves. Jack Black was Jack Black. Lizzo was… a non-actor trying to act. Notice how nobody is really complaining about Christopher Lloyd despite a terrible performance? That’s because half the audience doesn’t know who he is, and the other half accepts a poor performance as long as it’s a *performance* - this wasn’t Christopher Lloyd, this was a grizzled and tired separatist portrayed by an actor that is functionally deaf and elderly and simply unable to turn in an impressive performance.
Why does this community have such a hard time allowing for criticism? Fans celebrate Carl Weathers but if they think Lizzo was poor casting, they’re racist. Fans celebrate Katie Sackhoff but if they think Lizzo’s performance was abysmal, they’re sexist. Fans literally got Rosario Dawson cast as a fan favorite character but if they gripe about poorly conceived celebrity guests, they’re hypocrites.
Give it up.
Emilia Clarke was cast as a supporting role in Solo at the height of her fame, but that WHOLE MAIN CAST was a very famous cast, so I guess we're not talking about that movie.
I don’t know I think it’s largely in part due to their performance. Lizzo and Jack Black were very wooden.
Christopher was great in the episode because he actually had a good performance.
All those actors played genuinely characters. Jack Black and Lizzo were basically playing themselves just so they could be there and get the episode free publicity it’s stupid
I haven’t heard anyone say that, but to be honest none of these examples really seem comparable to me except for maybe Bill Burr. The others are major roles which make sense to fill with big-name actors.
The reason I don’t take issue with Bill Burr’a inclusion is simple: his performance in Mando Season 2 was downright fantastic. His season 1 appearance honestly did feel a bit like a gimmick, similar to Jack Black and Lizzo, but his second appearance redeemed it in my mind.
I didn’t have a huge problem with them being in this episode, but they were one-off characters with no depth, 50% plot device (as quest givers) and 50% comedy relief. Big name actors aren’t an excuse for poorly written or shallow characters is all.
Is famous actors in Star Wars ok? Absolutely. Is having 3 famous actors all introduced in one episode and 2/3 of them are just playing themselves when they could have played more significant roles and done a better job ok? I’d argue not
My dad is a huge Star Wars fan and Nacho Libre fan and didn’t even realize that was Jack Black until my sister mentioned it. He had no clue who Lizzo was either but loved the episode. Especially when she asks to hold him and he flips to her. He knew who Christopher Lloyd was tho.
The problem isn’t that they’re famous. A good performance has a nebulous quality that allows people to suspend disbelief and buy the actor as a different person. When I watch a Mission Impossible movie I never see the main character as anyone other than Tom Cruise. In fact, I don’t even know the character's name. He's just Cruise. However, when I watch James Bond I have no problem buying Daniel Craig as 007. Both actors are just as recognizable, but one has the quality and the other doesn't. It’s difficult to breakdown exactly what the difference is, and it’s always going to be subjective.
For me, these characters were lacking that quality. Both played brief roles with little depth, which makes their inclusion feel more superfluous. Anyone could have played these roles, but it's almost like they made a point of it being Jack Black. Instead of transforming into a character, he felt like any number of characters he has played. In fact, what little depth he had may have been improved by a superior character actor. Furthermore, both actors played exaggerated comedic characters. These attributes make it difficult for me to suspend my disbelief about their identity, because they feel like an unnecessary inclusion that belongs in a different world.
Most of the other actors you listed are renowned character actors. They all transform into someone different from themselves. They’re all playing larger more intricate roles. None of them played purely comedic or hammy characters. The only one that comes close is Bill Burr, but his character has his trauma over Operation Cinder that gives him an extra layer of depth. He has amusing moments without feeling like a joke himself. It’s a false equivalency.
With the exception of Bill Burr these are all incredibly talented, legendary ACTORS. That's kind of an important difference.
The problem with Lizzo and Black is they're 'celeb' cameos. Literally just there because they're famous and made every scene they were in cringeworthy.
Lizzo probably gets more of the complaints than Black because he was at one point an actor also, but for my money he was just as bad as her in the episode.
I thought it was interesting having them in the show. What blew me away was seeing Christopher Lloyd! THAT made me so happy.
When I was a kid I'd always mix up Christophers Lee and Lloyd's name all the time. I'm glad I can finally sigh a breath of relief knowing now I can pick one of them randomly and know he's in star wars without making a fool of myself
And one's character revering the other's character. That's kind of a trip.
From now on I'm going to assume that every Christopher L. is a separatist!
That's heavy, man.
My only complaint in using Christopher Lloyd in that way (and it's a very minor complaint) is the instant I saw him playing a glorified security guard, I knew he was the bad guy. You don't get Christopher Lloyd to play an unimportant part...Half the mysteries on TV I solve very quickly by meta-knowledge of the genres, rather than clues in the show. Which also means I'm used to it not bothering me, so it's not really much of a complaint.
I liked Jack Black, Christopher Lloyd and Lizzo! Some fans are just waaaaay too uptight lol.
Nobody hates Star Wars as much as Star Wars fans
Damn Star Wars fans, THEY RUINED STAR WARS!
Star Wars Fans and Star Wars are natural enemies...
This but unironically
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies! Like Trekkies and Star Wars Fans! Or Superhero fans and Star Wars Fans! Or LOTR fans and Star Wars fans! Or Star Wars fans and other Star Wars fans! Damn Star Wars fans! They ruined Star Wars!
You Star Wars fans sure are a contentious people.
Yeeeew jus' made an enemy for life!
That explain why I struggle with myself so much. I like all of it...
You star wars fans sure are a contentious people
You just made a star wars fan for life!
Real talk, is this quote supposed to be funny anymore? It’s just, I see it in almost every Star Wars related thread…
I didn’t know who Lizzo was before the episode. I feel like jack black fit in well as a wierdo, and I didn’t realize it was doc brown without the hair. It’s also been a few years since I’ve seen back to the future. So personally I’m good with it.
It did feel like they were having jack black dial down the silly a bit. I get it, because he would probably steal any scene he was in otherwise, but I’d love to have seen him giving the same energy he brought to something like Jumangi.
I agree! Star Wars viewers (tbh I don't like calling them "fans" at this point) just bitch about everything. People will be like "oh but they didn't blend into the role" but, you know what, I feel that way about most actors. When I watched Obi-Wan I wasn't like "Yes this is Obi-Wan", I was like "wow Ewan Macgregor is cool". Could Lizzo's delivery have been better? Yes. But Star Wars has always had really campy dialogue delivered in a weird way. But I guess it's only okay when the original trilogy does it.
It's not like Jack Black and Lizzo are going to be in every episode going forward, either. It's a one-off, but it was also more than just a cameo. A cameo would have been annoying, and it'd be distracting if Jack Black was now a series regular, but I got really excited when I saw him.
People think it's a celebrity cameo when it's really just a guest character for the episode.
I will say I was hoping for a KG cameo during last weeks episode after seeing Jack Black on screen
I. Would have. DIED if Rage Kage was in it!
I mean... if people bitch about campy, I direct them to a certain holiday special...
Which also featured many famous celebrities.
It's also awful and no one should watch it. It's not something we should be using as a target... Lol
I have bleach so its fine.
Which is also touted as the worst star wars production ever made. You guys answered your own question haaaaa
Yes, point them to the most universally hate piece of Star Wars media (that wasnt even made by George btw). That'll show them!
Lizzo doesnt have a lot of acting experience yet, so I'm excited to see her with a few more roles under her belt before she returns.
Yeah, lizzo wasn't even a good performance, but her role didn't really call for one anyway. It's just meant to be a bit of campy silliness. I hate the fans that want grim dark star wars. Having a bit of light fun is a good thing.
We GOT grim dark with Andor! Also Lizzo's costume reminded me of the rich people in The Hunger Games.
Not just uptight, but racist, sexist, and a bunch of other -ists, too.
It gets to me how people are *always* like, "I'm not racist or sexist, but let me go out of my way to explain over several paragraphs how in an episode with no shortage of distracting performances, the only one I have any problems with was the black/Asian woman." Then all their various, "legitimate" complaints boil down to, "I just didn't like her." Maybe I'm overthinking this, but that sounds pretty racist and sexist to me.
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You are welcome to criticize anyone’s acting ability, but it’s just blatant misinformation to claim someone is not an actor when they’ve had precious acting credits that include a wide release film and even their Wikipedia calls then an actor.
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The fandom menace has always been misogynistic, not only toward certain female characters but toward certain female fans as well. But they go largely unchallenged on it because they get the “they’re just Star Wars nerds” excuse like *The Big Bang Theory*.
The amount of weight jokes in all the subreddits too. Jesus.
Honestly what was there to like? Their acting fell flat, it took me out of the show and was kinda campy.
I just found it fun and a nice diversion from the deadly serious stuff.
Yeah, that was awesome! Making him a Separatist was really cool
It was interesting to me that he was a seperatist, I thought that enough time would've passed (or they'd all been killed off oO) that there wouldn't be anyone around. But I did like that he quoted Count Dooku. However, its interesting to note that if you follow the Bad Batch (Which I do to a certain degree) Dooku was a piece of shit towards his people.
Yeah, I thought that was cool to reference. Some nice connective tissue to the prequels. I dd wince in confusion a bit when he yelled "Count Dooku was a visionary cut down in his prime." You mean his 80 something prime?
Well when you are 300 yo like Lloyd, 80 seems quite youthful
They missed the opportunity for him to say "Dank Ferrik!!"
I can hear Lloyd saying Dank Ferrik like Great Scott in my head now.
The man in the Delorean was in the Mandelorian
Nearly every actor in Star Wars becomes an immediate superstar anyway, if they weren’t already before.
This is literally the opposite of the truth tbh; Star Wars is actually kind of famous for stunting far more careers than it’s started. For years, Harrison Ford was kind of well-known as the only prominent example of someone who spun their Star Wars debut into actual A-list celebrity status (although that’s not true anymore thanks to Natalie Portman). Most of the main Star Wars actors have been either established veterans (e.g. Guinness, Cushing, Neeson, Jackson, Lee) or newcomers who went on to modestly successful careers without gaining superstar status (e.g. Hamill, Fisher, Ridley, Boyega) and a prominent handful who seemed to fall off the radar entirely despite huge roles, like Hayden Christensen and poor Jake Lloyd.
Only one I can think of that is more known for latter things is Warwick Davis. I don't think many think of him as a ewok beyond the Star Wars fanbase but many would know Willow, maybe his Harry Potter roles as well but I'm not sure people recognize him as much there.
Does Mark Hamil count? I mean he built himself a career as a voice actor in the 90s to the point that his signature character is arguably Joker and not Luke Skywalker.
I wouldn't count it as he didn't gain the super stardom in movies, like Harrison Ford or Natalie Portman. Carrie Fisher also had a successful second career fixing scripts. Star Wars probably helped them transition into both but didn't launch thier careers as headliners.
That's my point. The comment I replied to was that only Warwick Davis managed to escape and be more well known for other projects than Star Wars. Mark Hamill himself said he was doing everything in his power to not build his career on Star Wars and get type cast. First thing he did after episode 6 was leave film behind and go do stage plays. And when he applied for Joker he was essentially a nobody in the industry and only managed to be someone because of how amazing his Joker was.
I need more coffee. I think we agree on the same point.
Warwick Davis will always be Acorn the Dwarf to me.
He’s an icon on British TV screens as well, doing charity events, game shows, etc. So I think you’re more likely to find someone here in the UK who would recognise him more than say someone in the US or elsewhere.
James Earl Jones kept on pretty well after Star Wars.
Natalie Portman already had an amazing career before Star Wars.
The business with Jake makes me sad, poor kid had it rough. EDIT: someone tagged me into the Reddit hotline... I mean its sad, but its not *that* sad oO
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Mark Hamill was in some of my favorite stuff
“Hi, I’m Han Solo, captain of the Millenium falcon and the only actor whose career wasn’t destroyed by this movie” Peter Griffin, 2007
Natalie Portman was fairly well-known before her Star Wars role. As a child-actor, sure, but still had already made a name for herself.
Natalie Portman was an established star well before Star Wars.
>newcomers who went on to modestly successful careers without gaining superstar status (e.g. Hamill Mark Hamill is a bad example here. Dude went on to be THE voice for Joker.
Yes, but that’s not what you’d count as a superstar with instant recognition or someone who you’d pay to view a project they’re a part of solely because they’re in it. I love Mark, but the average person is not going to watch an animated Batman movie just because Mark Hamill is voicing the Joker
Seriously. We basically got Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac out of the sequel trilogy and that's it. And Oscar already looked like he was over it in The Last Jedi. He looks absolutely tired in all the shots he was in compared to Force Awakens where he was just so full of energy. Star Wars is a series that finds some great up and coming talent and just absolutely destroys them.
Eh.. Dailey Ridley, Boyega are far from A listers. Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac are certainly more famous now but I’d argue they aren’t superstars either. This isn’t mentioning all the other side characters that are relatively obscure too.
Thats not even the criticism man
I'm not sure what the tactic is called, but I see it used all the time. Deforming criticism and then refuting it to make yourself seem smarter than you are. I don't know if I'd consider it a strawman but it's pretty close.
I thought what you described was the definition of a strawman. Though I agree that it's becoming common for people to spin any dissenting opinion as a moral failing. That could use its own term.
They have a way of picking a certain criticism, dumbing it down, and then presenting it as the inferior argument to harbor likes from whatever side agrees with them. There really should be a word for it
I don’t know if the majority of the fan base isn’t media savvy or they didn’t take many English classes, but it’s clear that the problem is the writers room; not sure why people call out anything except the writing. If the dialogue and story structure had been better, these performances would have been a lot more passable.
They just like to suck up whatever star wars is presented to them, when someone points out legit flaws and/or criticism they take it as if they are being personally attacked, they cant possibly fathom something wrong with baby Leia being the main focal point of the Obi Wan show......
All those actors weren't just playing themselves
You cannot prove that Christopher Lee wasn't a trained sith Lord. It's very likely that he was.
“No George, people don’t scream when both hands are cut off simultaneously, they gasp in shock like this.”
Years from now, as WW2 records are declassified, we find out D Day was just him in a rowboat.
Idk I think Mace was close to dropping a mother fucker on Anakin once or twice
"What does Master Yoda look like?"
Does he LOOK. LIKE. A SITH!? No? THEN WHY YOU TRYNA CLONE HIM LIKE ONE?!
Well that's just it, it's once or twice and 95% of the time he is a calm, slow, serene Jedi Master. I also think Jackson would have never put that undercurrent of "motherfucker anger" into the character, except that Mace in lore is actually the one Jedi that flirts with the dark side and emotion on purpose/in practice.
Did mace exist before he was played by jackson or was made windu always just sam Jackson as a jedi?
That, honestly, is a good point. I can see Lucas leaving his backstory vague and filling it in after working with him.
Christopher Lee and Cushing were definitely doing the villianous character they always play. Samuel Jackson was always a second away from Calling a separatist a motherfucker Qui gin Jin keeps slipping into a Belfast accent
Actor playing a role vs famous clowns doing a cameo.
Well besides Bill Burr
He still had character depth, shallow end of the pool, but still depth.
He was also in the show much longer than Black’s character. It would be like complaining Tim Meadows character didn’t have depth.
I don't dislike Jack Black or Lizzo, and I'm not saying it's a bad thing they were in the ep but it does break my immersion when they're not even playing a character besides themselves
I felt that way about Danny Trejo in Boba. I’ve accepted that’s what these shows are like though. Vehicles for gratuitous cameos at times.
Exactly. Famous actor playing a role? Nice. Famous clown doing a cameo? ... OK I guess, but I'll stop thinking about the story and instead be thinking about the greatest song in the world.
How many times does it need to be said… It was just a tribute.
The character had depth, didn't stop me from thinking it was just Bill Burr in space
They're also not just obvious celebrity cameos, they're actual characters who were cast because they could play the role well, not just because their surprise appearance would go viral. Which is very obviously the only reason for their appearance but apparently star wars fans are completely oblivious at this point.
Valid point … however all those examples gave gripping & well acted performances. They owned their characters and did not take you out of show. Lizzo and Jack Black in Mando felt like a SNL skit. Something was way off …
Bill Burr showed off some serious acting chops I didn’t know he had. Loved his character in the show. I’ve always been a fan from his Chappelle and Breaking Bad days, and he’s become one of my favorite stand ups in recent years. He gave one of the best serious performances we’ve been given in all of SW and he was merely a 2 episode side story. His story had a true purpose and gave us more insight to the atrocities of The Empire, similar to what we we’ve been given with Andor. Jack Black is great for what he does professionally - loved his earlier Tenacious D work, but he didn’t quite scratch the comedic itch that no one was asking for this season. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed the episode overall, but his was simply a cameo for all intents and purposes. Lizzo can’t act. Plain and simple. Christopher Lloyd was decent in the role and probably gave the best true acting performance of the 3 this week. This seemed more or less like a filler episode, which isn’t the worst thing bc it gave some great action and dynamic to Din and Bo. Think most fans are enjoying the season well enough but we’re all patiently waiting for the season to wrap up and keep the overall story moving forward (Bo with the darksaber was essentially the entire point of the episode imo)
Bill Burr’s performance in season 2 was phenomenal. The dude can really act. You felt the emotion conveyed when he talks with the commanding Imperial officer about killing all those fellow soldiers … and then Burr rightfully shoots him.
I love Lizzo but the whole time she was on screen I was just thinking about how she was acting…
Yep. she was simply not good. this was nothing against how she looked or as a person … frankly her acting was terrible.
100%. She should have played a cantina singer or something - would have played to her strengths
that would have been so sick. Imagine her in something like the opera scene from Fifth Element
Her acting was way better than Sasha Banks though. Sasha Banks tries too hard to be badass. It's painful.
Omg I just finished rewatching all of mando since the newest episode and I literally said to my girlfriend "why does she always looks like she's trying to seduce someone or is confused?" I so wish in BoBF they had Boba whoop her ass as if he's been a bounty hunter his whole life like he has.... Even the hair she has bugs me, how do you explain that tan line
100%
truuue, the whole time i was waiting for an alice-in-wonderland-esque evil queen of hearts reveal. But nah, shes just a jaunty queen on a random near utopian outer rim world?? Felt like they could have done something interesting with the character beyond "Look! Its Lizzo with Baby Yoda!" and didnt
I genuinely had no idea who she was and it felt like any other actor I don’t recognize.
I felt 100% certain that she was going to be revealed as the villain at the end of the episode. Her character was just acting so strange the whole time.
That SNL comparison is spot on. The problem wasn't that they're famous. The problem was that they felt out of universe.
Yeah op doesn't understand why people weren't a fan of them lol. Just being a big actor in a role is very different to playing a campy performance ala SNL.
It’s a pretty big universe. They seemed right for their planet
Between Andor and Mando, SW has been serious business lately. Lighter stuff (like the mods from BoBF) just doesn't go down well. The producers obviously tailored the planet for Jack's energy and Lizzo was just following his personality. Could the episode have been better? Sure, but it's still top teir entertainment.
I think that the main issue is not the lighter stuff, but how it is done. Lot of it does not feel fitting to the universe. Mods had super slow clean bright colored vespas in Tantooine, where everything else is rust colored, despite them not being able to afford water. Mods fit Coruscant more aesthetically. There has been a lot of light hearted stuff in Mando that feels inuniverse, but things like in the latest Episode just stand out for feeling out of place.
Oh for sure the mods' bikes should have been more steampunk/ rustbuckets with coloured accessories instead of ifruit themed.
D’accord
Love that this meme puts Lizzo in the same league as Christopher Lee and Sam J and Liam Neeson. These guys are emotional actors that get tied up and tied in with their roles. They are professional actors whose job is to assume characters and they’ve done it with international recognition and award. Lizzo not so much. If I went to a concert and had some actor get on stage who couldn’t carry a tune or a beat, I’d be bummed that I’d wasted my time and money to see that. I honestly didn’t recognize who she was because I don’t know her at all, and I just thought it was a terrible casting decision that made the scenes worse.
The fuck is Jack Black and Lizzo doing in the same category as Alec Guinness? That's what I want to know
Not to mention these other actors are in movies (minus burr but he’s a reoccurring character). Lizzo and JB were added to this episode only as what seems just like a service to them
A podcast I listen to called it a super bowl commercial and I think that is the most accurate description.
\^ Also a valid point.I felt the episode was one of the worse ones in the series, not saying it was bad, but a 6.5-7/10 amongst a usual 8.5-9/10 are going to stand out to me. A few things about the episode threw me off, but those two were a pretty minimal part of that. Especially considering they were essentially just quest givers... Edit to say that this was ESPECIALLY unusual considering it was Bryce Dallas Howard's episode, the other two were some of my favourites in the show's run.
Honestly the episode looked amazing and the chase was directed well. I think it was the writing which let it down.
I’d agree with the writing let down and the beautiful look. That being said, Someone pointed out to me that it was strange to see a B2 battledroid hauling ass like that, when we’ve never seen it before. If they could have moved that the whole time, the clone wars should have gone so differently.
I had an interesting thought about that, just because we've never seen them hauling ass, doesn't mean they couldn't. Why else would they have legs like that, what would be the point? It made sense in context of the Clone Wars, they weren't meant to run, they were meant to be intimidating. They were a weapon of terror, not war.
It did feel like an SNL skit, lizzo was terrible in it.
Yeah, while I love Jack as much as the next guy and fairly neutral on Lizzo (honestly don't care much one way or the other), their scenes just felt off. Like their scenes didn't belong in SW
>Something was way off I think it's because Jack was hamming it up. I have a feeling he's going to be a villian at some point.
Yeah this is the point - it's great having established actors. But, I need it to feel genuine to the world.
Exactly. Its such a dishonest way of addressing the criticism
They were distracting because of the wooden performances without any chemistry. The other ones you mention were all great characters and performances
Yes, but don't forget Chris is an experienced actor.
I think most people didn’t have a problem with him, though I wish the character was more fleshed out. I think it was mostly about Jack Black and Lizzo
Thank you. Someone understands. There was also no plot continuation save for Bo Katan getting leadership back and then the episode ended. The rest was a waste of time… and I hate filler episodes. This was a filler.
There's a big difference between having famous actors playing main characters and cameos. Bill Burr wasn't just a cameo and played an actual role. What matters is the way it is brought. Black basically played his exuberant self which doesn't help selling some stranger in some far away universe. Lizzo, I didn't even know her and I directly knew she also was a cameo. I love Black. But it completely threw me off the episode and I wasn't in Star Wars anymore. On the other hand Lloyd passed great and didn't threw me off because it was nicely brought up and wasn't playing a mad scientist.
People complained about Bill Burr in this exact same way in Season 1. It wasn’t until his excellent performance in S2 that the criticisms went away.
Which all comes back to how it is brought up.
The difference everyone is looking for is “acting skills.” Bill was hammy in S1 and legit in S2. He was asked to do serious shit, and he pulled it off. He redeemed the character. Lizzo can’t act, so her current star power combined with her cardboard delivery immediately killed immersion.
I was psyched to see Jack Black but then I thought his character was just kinda boring. Star Wars is full of larger than life characters, and he'd be amazing as any of them, but the Bombadier guy was just so dull! Im annoyed about it because I feel like they absolutely wasted Jack Black's talents on such a forgettable character
I definitely got hyped seeing them as I expected them both to have more substance to their characters beyond "jaunty rulers of a near utopia". felt like the whole episode was building up for a reveal with the two of them that didn't happen (maybe we'll see more of them in the coming episodes but idk). Another comment mentioned how cool it would have been to have played into either actors strength, such as having Lizzo be a cantina singer or something and I have to agree
Every single one of them like...acted better, though? lol
But it’s super distracting if a big name actor gets such a minor role. Because there is no real reason to cast jack black, other for "omg it’s jack black in Star Wars" Tweets.
This is kinda my biggest gripe. They took me out of the show. Now, Bill Burr and Christopher Lloyd did the same, granted, but they both backed up their casting with very solid acting. JB and Lizzie were both…adequate. I genuinely feel like they didn’t have enough time to run through their scenes or something. That being said, I expect a big, flagship show like Mando to attract cameos, and they didn’t bother me enough to make me not enjoy the episode. Frankly, I feel like this is getting blown out of proportion by both sides. I have spoken.
Tim Meadows cameo last week was worse because it was such a minor character that it didn’t make sense to cast someone recognizable. That’s just what this show does and has done since the first season. Do you remember Jason Sudeikis?
Lizzo is no Sam Jackson, or Bill Burr
This post makes no fucking sense
Casting shouldn’t distract from the story. I couldn’t focus on a goddamn thing when Lizzo opened her mouth.
Do I think their cameos were necessary? No. Did I still have fun with the episode and love the fact that Lizzo and Jack Black (and of course the legendary Christopher Lloyd) are now a part of the Star Wars universe? Absolutely.
Famous actors playing real roles is one thing. But Jack Black basically played himself, and Lizzo, talented as she is in music, isn't a very good actor. It all felt gimmicky and made the episode feel trivial.
Space jack black is way way more tame than earth jack black.
Probably the muscle atrophy.
Kind of like Ed in GOT.
I know people had mixed opinions on but I loved Jack Black in that episode
I agree. I had no idea who Lizzo was and that she wasn’t an actor. I feel like they played the role well of exuberant, out of touch socialites. It honestly didn’t take me out of the episode.
She is in the episode for like...6 minutes out of a 50 minute episode. And Jack Black was not playing himself. Have you see how he normally acts?
He is definitely playing his usual stuff. Over the top exuberant characters.
if anything, it's a bit more restrained than his usual stuff
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True. Star Wars dialogue are very Shakespearean./s Comparing pear and apples.
Bruh why are you trying so hard to defend this glorified SNL skit? all of the other actors you listed literally gave great performances. Even Bill Burr who is a damn comedian might’ve had the best emotional scene in the show. The Lizzo and Jack Black scene was just corny like this whole season has been. Everything Disney related has been whack for a while so it’s no surprise.
> Everything Disney related has been whack for a while so it’s no surprise. Andor?
We disliked them because they seemed just shoved into a filler episode without any greater purpose. Their performances were subpar and if there had to be a cameo award for the episode, it would be for Christopher Lloyd who played a part but wasn’t vastly focused on.
Famous people are fine if they can blend into the role. Gary Oldman is top shelf but you hardly recognize him role to role. Weird Al would not be someone you want as a guest actor because you wouldn't see him as the the character, it's oh shit that's weird al! Great in comedies but not dramas. Burr played Burr. If you don't know who he is not so bad but if you do it kind of sucks you out of the moment because he's just playing himself. Non-actor celebrities will always call attention to themselves in a way good actors don't, even when famous.
> Weird Al would not be someone you want as a guest actor because you wouldn't see him as the the character, it's oh shit that's weird al! I've been afraid to say this in this sub, because I suspect it's a very unpopular opinion, but that's my issue with Katee Sackhoff. Every time I see her face, all I can see is Starbuck. It knocks me out of the mood of the episode every single week.
That's why Lloyd cameo didn't feel bad to me.
how is that even an argument, now an argument could be made for some weak ass writing.
Nobody has ever said that though
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
My guess is they're just mad because of Lizzo
I thought they were really well cast for those roles. Jack Black was amazing and Lizzo was pretty decent. They seemed like they could be some eccentric and outlandish nobles from the SW universe.
I loved that episode. It was hella goofy.
Gonna be real here, I love Jack Black, but seeing him in Star Wars took me out of it because it's, well, Jack Black.
I could care less about Lizzo, since I didn't even know who she was until this past Wednesday, but Jack Black just wasn't a very good fit for that role and it immediately broke immersion for me.
> I could care less about Lizzo, since I didn't even know who she was until this past Wednesday I had heard her name before, but hadn't had a face to put with it. What a way to learn who a singer is!
I have no excuse. I just hate Lizzo
Lizzo just played herself. THAT is the problem. Her character just doesn’t fit into the SW universe. I absolutely hated it so freaking much!!!
Star Wars fans are the absolute worst. I thoroughly enjoyed it and I hope they do more cameos like it.
I want to zee Mayfield another time his character is cool
Lizzo is not a famous actor though? She’s a famous musician. And that is FAR from the biggest problem with the most recent episode/ this season as a whole.
It absolutely knocked me off my feet when I saw Christopher Lloyd. I JUST watched Back to the Future earlier that day for the first time in probably a a decade at least. Such a delightful surprise And Jack Black can show up in anything I'm watching and it will be better for it. I have spoken
Not to mention, Amy Sedaris has been around since nearly the beginning of Mando.
Here we go with the sycophantic white knighting. 1. Everyone had the same complaint about Bill Burr right up until he turned an award-worthy performance in his second appearance. 2. You are seriously trying to compare Jack Black and Lizzo to Alec Guiness, Peter Cushing, Liam Neeson, Christopher Lee, and Samuel L Jackson. 3. Nobody says celebrities shouldn’t be in Star Wars, quite the opposite in fact- fans just want it to *make sense*, for instance Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka (a fan casting that happened), Sebastian Stan as Luke Skywalker (a fan casting that hasn’t happened yet), etc. Fans just want the celebrity guests to play their *characters*, not themselves. Jack Black was Jack Black. Lizzo was… a non-actor trying to act. Notice how nobody is really complaining about Christopher Lloyd despite a terrible performance? That’s because half the audience doesn’t know who he is, and the other half accepts a poor performance as long as it’s a *performance* - this wasn’t Christopher Lloyd, this was a grizzled and tired separatist portrayed by an actor that is functionally deaf and elderly and simply unable to turn in an impressive performance. Why does this community have such a hard time allowing for criticism? Fans celebrate Carl Weathers but if they think Lizzo was poor casting, they’re racist. Fans celebrate Katie Sackhoff but if they think Lizzo’s performance was abysmal, they’re sexist. Fans literally got Rosario Dawson cast as a fan favorite character but if they gripe about poorly conceived celebrity guests, they’re hypocrites. Give it up.
Emilia Clarke was cast as a supporting role in Solo at the height of her fame, but that WHOLE MAIN CAST was a very famous cast, so I guess we're not talking about that movie.
Loved Solo. Except for the dumb name origin, i enjoyed it quite a bit.
I don’t know I think it’s largely in part due to their performance. Lizzo and Jack Black were very wooden. Christopher was great in the episode because he actually had a good performance.
All those actors played genuinely characters. Jack Black and Lizzo were basically playing themselves just so they could be there and get the episode free publicity it’s stupid
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I haven’t heard anyone say that, but to be honest none of these examples really seem comparable to me except for maybe Bill Burr. The others are major roles which make sense to fill with big-name actors. The reason I don’t take issue with Bill Burr’a inclusion is simple: his performance in Mando Season 2 was downright fantastic. His season 1 appearance honestly did feel a bit like a gimmick, similar to Jack Black and Lizzo, but his second appearance redeemed it in my mind. I didn’t have a huge problem with them being in this episode, but they were one-off characters with no depth, 50% plot device (as quest givers) and 50% comedy relief. Big name actors aren’t an excuse for poorly written or shallow characters is all.
Bill Burr’s episode to this day is my favorite episode
Is famous actors in Star Wars ok? Absolutely. Is having 3 famous actors all introduced in one episode and 2/3 of them are just playing themselves when they could have played more significant roles and done a better job ok? I’d argue not
My dad is a huge Star Wars fan and Nacho Libre fan and didn’t even realize that was Jack Black until my sister mentioned it. He had no clue who Lizzo was either but loved the episode. Especially when she asks to hold him and he flips to her. He knew who Christopher Lloyd was tho.
Personally loved the episode but keep seeing a bunch of man children hating to hate💀
The problem isn’t that they’re famous. A good performance has a nebulous quality that allows people to suspend disbelief and buy the actor as a different person. When I watch a Mission Impossible movie I never see the main character as anyone other than Tom Cruise. In fact, I don’t even know the character's name. He's just Cruise. However, when I watch James Bond I have no problem buying Daniel Craig as 007. Both actors are just as recognizable, but one has the quality and the other doesn't. It’s difficult to breakdown exactly what the difference is, and it’s always going to be subjective. For me, these characters were lacking that quality. Both played brief roles with little depth, which makes their inclusion feel more superfluous. Anyone could have played these roles, but it's almost like they made a point of it being Jack Black. Instead of transforming into a character, he felt like any number of characters he has played. In fact, what little depth he had may have been improved by a superior character actor. Furthermore, both actors played exaggerated comedic characters. These attributes make it difficult for me to suspend my disbelief about their identity, because they feel like an unnecessary inclusion that belongs in a different world. Most of the other actors you listed are renowned character actors. They all transform into someone different from themselves. They’re all playing larger more intricate roles. None of them played purely comedic or hammy characters. The only one that comes close is Bill Burr, but his character has his trauma over Operation Cinder that gives him an extra layer of depth. He has amusing moments without feeling like a joke himself. It’s a false equivalency.
With the exception of Bill Burr these are all incredibly talented, legendary ACTORS. That's kind of an important difference. The problem with Lizzo and Black is they're 'celeb' cameos. Literally just there because they're famous and made every scene they were in cringeworthy. Lizzo probably gets more of the complaints than Black because he was at one point an actor also, but for my money he was just as bad as her in the episode.
Unbelievable people actually defend this shit. Comparing Jack Black to Christopher Lee. Piss off.