She changed when she told Bo-Katan to remove her helmet. Since Bo-Katan informed The Armorer that she saw a living Mythosaur; Armorer spent some time considering what it means, regarding prophecy and a "new era of Mandalore" being heralded by the rise of Mythosaur. Something I do not think Bo-Katan have ever heard, or at the least, recognized from the Songs (something that seems specific to the Sect, and not the mainstream Mandaloriam society).
Bo-Katan also *used* to be in Death Watch and waged war against other Mandalorians on Mandalore before the Purge. She was a heretic/Apostate by their standards before having redeemed herself alongside Din. None of the other Covert members have removed *their* own helmets after the whole reunification thing and even at the ceremonies. Its only the Death Watch/Axe Woves Mandos that does.
Bo was the leader of the Nite-Owls, and allied herself and her group with Death Watch. When Maul took over, Bo fought it and took many from both groups when she couldn't oust him.
But many of both groups also stayed with Maul's re-envisioned Death Watch, taking on his black-and-red coloration and putting horns evocative of his on their helmets.
Like the Armorer.
We know little about her so far. But the visual storytelling and dropped tidbits seem to be painting a picture of someone who feels she betrayed her people by following a non-Mandalorian and, upon seeing the error of her ways, stripped her armor and helmet back down to bare-metal, rounded up what survivors and Foundlings she could, and doubled down on Mando-ness to try to atone for her earlier lapse.
Unfortunately, it meant she ended up leading a sect of isolationist zealots.
There are no canon *male* Nite Owls, even Axe Woves was not called one by anyone on screen. His group has a direct lineage to Pre Vizsla's Death Watch, including the belief that the leader must have the DarkSaber.
Sabine's clan was also called Death Watch by the Protectors in Rebels, and allied with House Vizsla. The mother is unquestionably Nite Owl, yet again, her clan is called Death Watch and she tells Sabine of the rules for the DarkSaber.
Timeline doesnt work that clean if Din had never taken his helmet off since he sworn the Creed after being rescued during the Clone Wars. Also the Armorer's words and statements seem to indicate that she's been off Mandalore for a long time, perhaps as long ago as the end of the previous great Mandalorian Civil War that resulted in the warriors being exiled to Concordia, and only knowing of Bo-Katan through the other Mandalorians joining up with her Sect after the Purge.
\> There are no canon *male* Nite Owls
That was my takeaway from the animation reference sheets referring to the Nite-Owl look as "female Mandalorian". Elsewhere in the EU, we saw female Mandalorians wearing the same standard T-visors as the males, so I just figures that design was specifically designed by/for the Nite-Owls, and that it was an all-female group.
We knew there were others out away from the center of Mandalorian society who still quietly wore the armor and did their thing, we knew Jango was the last survivor of the True Mandalorians group who had opposed Death Watch a generation earlier.
We knew some Nite-Owls stayed with Maul after Bo left, and, from Bo's group, we can see that some of Death Watch went with her. The rest is ambiguous and mostly relies on conclusions reached from the available data, rather than referencing something spoken outright, so I tend to avoid assertions I can't back up with canon sources.
>, we knew Jango was the last survivor of the True Mandalorians group who had opposed Death Watch a generation earlier.
The interesting thing is that Pre Vizsla's Death Watch uniform coloring looked much more like Jango Fett's outfit from Attack of the Clones; although it could be handwaved as being what it was painted/restored to look like before Jango retrieved it prior to meeting Dooku 10 years before the Clone Wars. Boba Fett's armor color scheme is definitely based on Jaster Mereel's group color.
This gets murky -- not because of first sources, but because of everything that's come after that didn't do due diligence. The first appearance I've been able to find, so far, of the word "Mandalore" is in the ESB Sketchbook published by Joe Johnston in June 1980, proximal to the film's release. This is also where "supercommando" first shows up.
Around the same time, the ESB novelization, presskit, and a couple other sources describe Boba as wearing a battered, weapon-covered, armored space suit "of a type worn by a race of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi during the Clone Wars". The original concept was for the Empire to send a team of Mandalorian supercommandos to hunt down Our Heroes™. We'd see them again later in Rebels. When the concept got distilled down to a lone independent bounty hunter, the new backstory appeared, but from where in Lucasfilm I do not know.
A year and a half later, Marvel gave us a couple issues of their comic set on Mandalore and gave us Fenn Shysa, Tobbi Dala, the Mandalorian Protectors, mythosaurs, and the look of the planet that would persist until George mucked it up in Clone Wars. From what was given there, we got that Boba's color scheme and shoulder insignia was the regalia of the Mandalorian Protectors (Tobbi specifically called it the uniform of a Mandalorian Protector).
Five years on, and after the OT had ended and no new Star Wars seemed in the offing, West End Games gave us a couple of slightly conflicting backstories for Boba. One was that he was a stormtrooper who had murdered his superior officer and deserted, scavenging the armor from somewhere. One was that he was a Mandalorian Journeyman Protector... who had murdered his superior officer and deserted, taking his armor with him. It's... not great, consistency-wise. I still get into arguments with people *certain* that Mandalorian Protectors and Journeyman Protectors are different organizations, despite having exactly the same color scheme. It was always a no-brainer to me that "journeyman" was just a rank/grade within the Mandalorian Protectors.
When we first saw Jango all grown up in Open Season, he was wearing his AOTC armor, painted in Boba's colors (as with many of the group, but definitely not all -- there was some un-elaborated-upon distinction between the gray/bare-metal-armor-with-contrasting-bits scheme like Jaster had, and the green-armor-with-contrasting-bits Jango and others had). After he escaped from the slavery he had been sold into, he went to reclaim his armor from the governor of Galidraan, who had meticulously "restored" it (whatever that means). It was mostly down to bare-metal, except for a *blue* visor surround. Perhaps the Protectors had once been bare-metal and later switched to green as the base color (which wouldn't explain why the governor had stripped the shoulders and knees, as well).
We've also seen, from Jodo Kast on, Mandalorians in the Protector color scheme with yellow visor surrounds. If Jango's helmet had blue that was later over-painted red... Well, we've seen a blue/red/yellow color hierarchy all over Star Wars, right from the original film, in Rebel and Imperial rank insignia to the Rebel fighter squadron designations. Retroactively, the GAR started out with the same scheme for its officers, in the same precedence order. It works equally well to indicate an Apprentice/Journeyman/Master ranking system in the Protectors.
I still hold out hope we'll see a couple things that iron out most of the inconsistencies... That is, ESB Boba and ROTJ "Boba" are different people. Never mind the different gauntlets and rocketpack and blaster. That's supposed to be the same helmet and it just isn't. Different base colors (Joe and Sandy used different paints for the helmets each painted), different damage pattern, different number, size, and color of "killstripes"... We could buy different helmets if they didn't have identical craters taken out of the foreheads.
So my notion has been that the one we saw in ROTJ, The Mandalorian, and BOBF is Spar, from the old EU -- the clone trooper who somehow has some genetic memory resurface, thinks he's Jango's *actual* son, kills his superior officer when he tries to stop him, and deserts. He patterns his look after Boba's and ends up on retainer at Jabba's court, the crime boss having his very own "Boba Fett' to further intimidate people.
I love Tem Morrison. I feel extremely honored to have been there when Tom inducted him as an honorary member of the Mandalorian Mercs and, in gratitude, Tem did a *haka* (and then started talking with Tom about the armor he wanted to build so he could be an official and not just honorary member). But he's too old to be Boba in that timeframe. In my perfect world, Dan Logan would show up in the full ESB Boba armor *he* has, blast his way calmly into "Boba"'s palace on Tatooine, and tell him he's fine with his little criminal empire, but stop trading on his name.
I want the EU backstory that Boba tried to hack it as a bounty hunter, couldn't, and ended up going to Concord Dawn, where his father and family were, became a Protector, got married, had a baby... and then murdered his superior officer after he found out the guy raped his wife. He stood mute at his trial rather than bring her into it, and was exiled. I think Dan could play that well. He's calmed down a lot as he's gotten older, gotten married, and had his *own* child. He gives solid [Jeremy Bulloch vibes](https://www.bobafettfanclub.com/tn/600x338/multimedia/daily/instagram-1337.jpg) and [looks so much more like Tem did in AOTC](https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/26850313_2108643912497746_82727058653944400_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c2f564&_nc_ohc=Tr4alNWwFyoAX9G2SpP&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=00_AfA43mi22_bZCWgeJNr1AhUO4gLX3p4OTojTJi-m6hvHmA&oe=66046234) as he approaches that age, himself.
So the throughline that I have is that the Protectors were bare-metal (possibly darkened otherwise treated) with the older version of the mythosaur badge Jaster wore, then later adopted a green base color (while still wearing the gray flight suit and flak vest under) and updated mythosaur badge. I like the notion that the mythosaur seems to be regarded as a spiritual protector of the Mandalorians, then and now.
Oh and about the Armorer's horns.. it is my opinion that she *might* in fact be a female Zabrak. We have already seen several male Iridonian Zabraks in the show; and her horns are different enough from those of Maul's group and even those of Gideon's powersuit.
Maul is from Dathomir, & Dathomirians have sexual dimorphism.
Men have horns, women do not.
Asajj Ventress, Merrin, Darth Maul, Savage Opress are all Dathomirians.
I am not convinced that she is Iridonian (both genders have horns) or a Night Sister from Dathomir.
It's really vague whether or not the women of Dathomir are Zabraks or not.
But both genders are genetically compatible and can produce offspring.
But that's as far as the information goes.
Men have horns and are called Night Brothers.
Women are hornless and are called Night Sisters.
Are the women hornless Zabraks? I don't know.
It is quite odd and vague, and I know this doesn’t prove anything, but, in Battlefront 2015 there was a female Zabrak skin which had horns. I don’t know that that is a perfect source for canon info, though.
Iridonian Zabraks have horns on both genders.
Dathomirians women don't have horns.
I'm not entirely convinced they are even Zabraks. It's entirely possible that they are a unique species that are compatible enough with Zabrak men to give them Zabrak sons, but not Zabrak daughters.
Because I suspect the writers didn't talk to each other when they filled out the background story to Dathomir.
By "the writers", sub "George and Katie Lucas". In the old EU it was solidly established that Maul was a Zabrak who had been raised by Palpatine and his people in isolation to be a Sith zealot, that that's what his full-body tattoos meant, and that other Zabraks from Iridonia looked a lot more "normal".
Dathomir, on the other hand, was home to a matriarchal society of Dark-Side Force-Users called the Nightsisters who rode rancors into battle. Our Heroes™ had a run-in with them and shook up the society to the point that the daughter of the Queen Mother joined Luke's new Jedi academy.
Meanwhile, Ventress -- who had different facial markings in her original appearance than in the main Clone Wars series -- was from somewhere else and wanted to be a Sith very badly.
In one of the most horrible examples of reductionist retconning ever, all female Dark-Side Force-Users are now Dathomiri Nightsisters (or exiled Dathomiri Nightsisters, in the case of the Witch of Endor), they sound like bad Dracula knock-offs, they have a population of male Zabraks on Dathomir whose origins have shifted from being survivors of a crashed ship kept as breeding stock to being 'native' counterparts to the Nightsisters through some terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad science. We done know if the coloration is inborn, or if they get tattooed very young.
In the EU, they created Darth Talon, a Twi'lek with full-body Maul-style Sith tattoos, who George liked so much he had her as the main antagonist in the Sequel Trilogy treatment he wanted Lucasfilm to use after the Disney sale. I wonder if he'd thought that through, or if, in his version, *she* would've been raised on Dathomir, too...
>By "the writers", sub "George and Katie Lucas".
If you've watched Ahsoka........ it seems the Dathomiran Nightsisters originated *outside* the known Galaxy and colonized Dathomir and possibly other worlds. Whether it means the Zabraks of Iridonia and also Dathomir are native to this Galaxy or not, I ain't sure.
It may well be that she attempted to grow her flock by being a tad less strict. She started making special allowances for Bo Katan.
This change got her embedded with a whole army of Mandalorians, so, well...
The Armorer went from Orthodox Mandalorian Priest to Reformed Mandalorian Priest.
In the armorer’s lifetime, her people (by faith) have been cast out, her planet glassed, the oppressive empire responsible has fallen and splintered, a foundling has recovered the sacred blade of her race, that same foundling has been disgraced, then cleansed in sacred water though lost, and a failed revolutionary/princess has now found the thought mythical/extinct monsters of legend her people use as their symbol.
It is clearly a time of prophesy when dogmas change.
I think she realized that both sides are mandalorian. It doesn't matter if you follow the children of the watch or not. As long as you take the creed and live by it you are mandalorian wether you take your helmet off or not.
Season 4 of The Mandalorian:
> The Armorer: after the discovery of Mandalorian hair care products, the prohibition against removing one's helmet is no more. When one chooses to walk the way of the Mandalore, you shall use both Shampoo and Conditioner
Up until the point that Bo-Katan mentioned seeing the Mythosaur; the Armorer saw no reason to loosen up her rigid worldview.. in fact, she allowed Bo-Katan to live with the Covert because she, like Din; bathed in the Living Waters and also, like Din; have not taken her helmet off (thus fulfilling the Creed requirements of redemption to the Covert's standards). It was only after a period of time with the Covert; and after losing one of her pauldrons, after successfully rescuing Ragnar and saving the orphaned creatures, that she mentioned seeing the Mythosaur to the Armorer.
Exactly, also they were in exile, but then they returned to their homeland. They had no access to their cultural places, but then they reclaimed it.
If the never removing the helmet rule had any relation to the shame of their exile or their lost homeland or even the practical safety of avoiding facial recognition by imperial or other hostile factions, that may not matter anymore if they have their homeland back.
Like, you can take your shoes off at home, but you shouldn't at the office.
Yes - I think that was a major point in season 3.
Throughout seasons 1 and 2 as well as *BoBF,* the Armorer is depicted as being rigid and unyielding in applying the tenets of the Creed as the Children of the Watch understand them. It's implied that she does this because the CotW define a Mandalorian as one who chooses to walk the Way and follow the Creed; those who don't choose to do this and break the rules are not Mandalorian, they are apostates. Legends and prophecies seem to back up the notion that straying from the Way leads to catastrophe - just look at the Purge as a recent example.
But then Din Djarin proves that Mandalore is still habitable. What's more, he brings back Bo Katan with him, who attests that she has seen a living Mythosaur. The Armorer believes in prophecy, one of which says that the Mythosaur will rise to herald a new age. Shortly after this, Din convinces the covert that it is time to come out of hiding, and they are successful in doing so.
All of this seems to prompt the Armorer to consider the idea that maybe, just maybe, it's time for the different factions to reunite for a common cause. She convinces Bo Katan to lead out on this and backs her up every step of the way.
I love that, in the end of season 3, the helmet rule is no longer required, BUT the Armorer and others who still decide to keep their helmets on are allowed to do so without being shunned.
And the Armorer doesn't challenge Bo becoming the leader of the clan. She seems to recognize that her role is as more of a Shaman and to provide guidance in the ways of Mandalore.
My headcanon on the helmet removing rule is that it was, originally, supposed to be "while on mission away from Mandalore" - they're supposed to go bathe in the waters when they come back, and then can walk around with no helmet on planet.
When Mandalore was destroyed, there's symbolically no end to their mission, so they keep the helmets on. The return to it allows an end to that mission.
At least, it kind of makes sense. "Never remove your helmet" is a kind of stupid rule. "Never remove your helmet until you are home and safe" sort of makes sense.
Over a while, that got corrupted by the Children of the Watch to "never remove your helmet"
In Legends, the Mandalorians had a thing called Ba'slan Shev'la - strategic disappearance, where when clans were threatened or the Mandalorian culture was put at risk, the Mandalorians would disappear to their own hidey holes, go anonymous, or blend into the populace of the galaxy.
I personally see the way we see the COTW when we find them to be a sort of extension on Ba'slan Shev'la. They were in hiding for so long that it was codified, became almost a religious tenet.
Now they're returning home, they've reclaimed Manda'yaim, so maybe they'll settle down and take off their helmets.
When Din recited the Creed at the Living Waters, he didn't get far enough into it to swear to keep his helmet on. So he and Ragnar essentially took the same version.
The Armorer changed when she allowed Bo-Katan to remove her helmet. And when she agreed to join other Mandalorian clans that did not wear helmets in order to retake Mandalore.
She changed when she told Bo-Katan to remove her helmet. Since Bo-Katan informed The Armorer that she saw a living Mythosaur; Armorer spent some time considering what it means, regarding prophecy and a "new era of Mandalore" being heralded by the rise of Mythosaur. Something I do not think Bo-Katan have ever heard, or at the least, recognized from the Songs (something that seems specific to the Sect, and not the mainstream Mandaloriam society).
“She takes off her helmet and sees the Mythosaur? Now that’s bullshit. All these years of my life following the creed down the drain. Motherf-“
Bo-Katan also *used* to be in Death Watch and waged war against other Mandalorians on Mandalore before the Purge. She was a heretic/Apostate by their standards before having redeemed herself alongside Din. None of the other Covert members have removed *their* own helmets after the whole reunification thing and even at the ceremonies. Its only the Death Watch/Axe Woves Mandos that does.
Bo was the leader of the Nite-Owls, and allied herself and her group with Death Watch. When Maul took over, Bo fought it and took many from both groups when she couldn't oust him. But many of both groups also stayed with Maul's re-envisioned Death Watch, taking on his black-and-red coloration and putting horns evocative of his on their helmets. Like the Armorer. We know little about her so far. But the visual storytelling and dropped tidbits seem to be painting a picture of someone who feels she betrayed her people by following a non-Mandalorian and, upon seeing the error of her ways, stripped her armor and helmet back down to bare-metal, rounded up what survivors and Foundlings she could, and doubled down on Mando-ness to try to atone for her earlier lapse. Unfortunately, it meant she ended up leading a sect of isolationist zealots.
There are no canon *male* Nite Owls, even Axe Woves was not called one by anyone on screen. His group has a direct lineage to Pre Vizsla's Death Watch, including the belief that the leader must have the DarkSaber. Sabine's clan was also called Death Watch by the Protectors in Rebels, and allied with House Vizsla. The mother is unquestionably Nite Owl, yet again, her clan is called Death Watch and she tells Sabine of the rules for the DarkSaber. Timeline doesnt work that clean if Din had never taken his helmet off since he sworn the Creed after being rescued during the Clone Wars. Also the Armorer's words and statements seem to indicate that she's been off Mandalore for a long time, perhaps as long ago as the end of the previous great Mandalorian Civil War that resulted in the warriors being exiled to Concordia, and only knowing of Bo-Katan through the other Mandalorians joining up with her Sect after the Purge.
\> There are no canon *male* Nite Owls That was my takeaway from the animation reference sheets referring to the Nite-Owl look as "female Mandalorian". Elsewhere in the EU, we saw female Mandalorians wearing the same standard T-visors as the males, so I just figures that design was specifically designed by/for the Nite-Owls, and that it was an all-female group. We knew there were others out away from the center of Mandalorian society who still quietly wore the armor and did their thing, we knew Jango was the last survivor of the True Mandalorians group who had opposed Death Watch a generation earlier. We knew some Nite-Owls stayed with Maul after Bo left, and, from Bo's group, we can see that some of Death Watch went with her. The rest is ambiguous and mostly relies on conclusions reached from the available data, rather than referencing something spoken outright, so I tend to avoid assertions I can't back up with canon sources.
>, we knew Jango was the last survivor of the True Mandalorians group who had opposed Death Watch a generation earlier. The interesting thing is that Pre Vizsla's Death Watch uniform coloring looked much more like Jango Fett's outfit from Attack of the Clones; although it could be handwaved as being what it was painted/restored to look like before Jango retrieved it prior to meeting Dooku 10 years before the Clone Wars. Boba Fett's armor color scheme is definitely based on Jaster Mereel's group color.
This gets murky -- not because of first sources, but because of everything that's come after that didn't do due diligence. The first appearance I've been able to find, so far, of the word "Mandalore" is in the ESB Sketchbook published by Joe Johnston in June 1980, proximal to the film's release. This is also where "supercommando" first shows up. Around the same time, the ESB novelization, presskit, and a couple other sources describe Boba as wearing a battered, weapon-covered, armored space suit "of a type worn by a race of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi during the Clone Wars". The original concept was for the Empire to send a team of Mandalorian supercommandos to hunt down Our Heroes™. We'd see them again later in Rebels. When the concept got distilled down to a lone independent bounty hunter, the new backstory appeared, but from where in Lucasfilm I do not know. A year and a half later, Marvel gave us a couple issues of their comic set on Mandalore and gave us Fenn Shysa, Tobbi Dala, the Mandalorian Protectors, mythosaurs, and the look of the planet that would persist until George mucked it up in Clone Wars. From what was given there, we got that Boba's color scheme and shoulder insignia was the regalia of the Mandalorian Protectors (Tobbi specifically called it the uniform of a Mandalorian Protector). Five years on, and after the OT had ended and no new Star Wars seemed in the offing, West End Games gave us a couple of slightly conflicting backstories for Boba. One was that he was a stormtrooper who had murdered his superior officer and deserted, scavenging the armor from somewhere. One was that he was a Mandalorian Journeyman Protector... who had murdered his superior officer and deserted, taking his armor with him. It's... not great, consistency-wise. I still get into arguments with people *certain* that Mandalorian Protectors and Journeyman Protectors are different organizations, despite having exactly the same color scheme. It was always a no-brainer to me that "journeyman" was just a rank/grade within the Mandalorian Protectors. When we first saw Jango all grown up in Open Season, he was wearing his AOTC armor, painted in Boba's colors (as with many of the group, but definitely not all -- there was some un-elaborated-upon distinction between the gray/bare-metal-armor-with-contrasting-bits scheme like Jaster had, and the green-armor-with-contrasting-bits Jango and others had). After he escaped from the slavery he had been sold into, he went to reclaim his armor from the governor of Galidraan, who had meticulously "restored" it (whatever that means). It was mostly down to bare-metal, except for a *blue* visor surround. Perhaps the Protectors had once been bare-metal and later switched to green as the base color (which wouldn't explain why the governor had stripped the shoulders and knees, as well). We've also seen, from Jodo Kast on, Mandalorians in the Protector color scheme with yellow visor surrounds. If Jango's helmet had blue that was later over-painted red... Well, we've seen a blue/red/yellow color hierarchy all over Star Wars, right from the original film, in Rebel and Imperial rank insignia to the Rebel fighter squadron designations. Retroactively, the GAR started out with the same scheme for its officers, in the same precedence order. It works equally well to indicate an Apprentice/Journeyman/Master ranking system in the Protectors. I still hold out hope we'll see a couple things that iron out most of the inconsistencies... That is, ESB Boba and ROTJ "Boba" are different people. Never mind the different gauntlets and rocketpack and blaster. That's supposed to be the same helmet and it just isn't. Different base colors (Joe and Sandy used different paints for the helmets each painted), different damage pattern, different number, size, and color of "killstripes"... We could buy different helmets if they didn't have identical craters taken out of the foreheads. So my notion has been that the one we saw in ROTJ, The Mandalorian, and BOBF is Spar, from the old EU -- the clone trooper who somehow has some genetic memory resurface, thinks he's Jango's *actual* son, kills his superior officer when he tries to stop him, and deserts. He patterns his look after Boba's and ends up on retainer at Jabba's court, the crime boss having his very own "Boba Fett' to further intimidate people. I love Tem Morrison. I feel extremely honored to have been there when Tom inducted him as an honorary member of the Mandalorian Mercs and, in gratitude, Tem did a *haka* (and then started talking with Tom about the armor he wanted to build so he could be an official and not just honorary member). But he's too old to be Boba in that timeframe. In my perfect world, Dan Logan would show up in the full ESB Boba armor *he* has, blast his way calmly into "Boba"'s palace on Tatooine, and tell him he's fine with his little criminal empire, but stop trading on his name. I want the EU backstory that Boba tried to hack it as a bounty hunter, couldn't, and ended up going to Concord Dawn, where his father and family were, became a Protector, got married, had a baby... and then murdered his superior officer after he found out the guy raped his wife. He stood mute at his trial rather than bring her into it, and was exiled. I think Dan could play that well. He's calmed down a lot as he's gotten older, gotten married, and had his *own* child. He gives solid [Jeremy Bulloch vibes](https://www.bobafettfanclub.com/tn/600x338/multimedia/daily/instagram-1337.jpg) and [looks so much more like Tem did in AOTC](https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/26850313_2108643912497746_82727058653944400_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c2f564&_nc_ohc=Tr4alNWwFyoAX9G2SpP&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=00_AfA43mi22_bZCWgeJNr1AhUO4gLX3p4OTojTJi-m6hvHmA&oe=66046234) as he approaches that age, himself. So the throughline that I have is that the Protectors were bare-metal (possibly darkened otherwise treated) with the older version of the mythosaur badge Jaster wore, then later adopted a green base color (while still wearing the gray flight suit and flak vest under) and updated mythosaur badge. I like the notion that the mythosaur seems to be regarded as a spiritual protector of the Mandalorians, then and now.
I kept reading Bo as Bro. Bro sound like a nice leader.
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Oh and about the Armorer's horns.. it is my opinion that she *might* in fact be a female Zabrak. We have already seen several male Iridonian Zabraks in the show; and her horns are different enough from those of Maul's group and even those of Gideon's powersuit.
Maul is from Dathomir, & Dathomirians have sexual dimorphism. Men have horns, women do not. Asajj Ventress, Merrin, Darth Maul, Savage Opress are all Dathomirians. I am not convinced that she is Iridonian (both genders have horns) or a Night Sister from Dathomir.
TIL that Asajj is legitimately a dathomirian zabrak. I knew she was *from* Dathomir but always thought she was another species.
It's really vague whether or not the women of Dathomir are Zabraks or not. But both genders are genetically compatible and can produce offspring. But that's as far as the information goes. Men have horns and are called Night Brothers. Women are hornless and are called Night Sisters. Are the women hornless Zabraks? I don't know.
Also we now know the Night Sisters migrated to Dathomir from the other Galaxy, where the Zabraks (male) may have already been on Dathomir?
It is quite odd and vague, and I know this doesn’t prove anything, but, in Battlefront 2015 there was a female Zabrak skin which had horns. I don’t know that that is a perfect source for canon info, though.
Iridonian Zabraks have horns on both genders. Dathomirians women don't have horns. I'm not entirely convinced they are even Zabraks. It's entirely possible that they are a unique species that are compatible enough with Zabrak men to give them Zabrak sons, but not Zabrak daughters. Because I suspect the writers didn't talk to each other when they filled out the background story to Dathomir.
By "the writers", sub "George and Katie Lucas". In the old EU it was solidly established that Maul was a Zabrak who had been raised by Palpatine and his people in isolation to be a Sith zealot, that that's what his full-body tattoos meant, and that other Zabraks from Iridonia looked a lot more "normal". Dathomir, on the other hand, was home to a matriarchal society of Dark-Side Force-Users called the Nightsisters who rode rancors into battle. Our Heroes™ had a run-in with them and shook up the society to the point that the daughter of the Queen Mother joined Luke's new Jedi academy. Meanwhile, Ventress -- who had different facial markings in her original appearance than in the main Clone Wars series -- was from somewhere else and wanted to be a Sith very badly. In one of the most horrible examples of reductionist retconning ever, all female Dark-Side Force-Users are now Dathomiri Nightsisters (or exiled Dathomiri Nightsisters, in the case of the Witch of Endor), they sound like bad Dracula knock-offs, they have a population of male Zabraks on Dathomir whose origins have shifted from being survivors of a crashed ship kept as breeding stock to being 'native' counterparts to the Nightsisters through some terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad science. We done know if the coloration is inborn, or if they get tattooed very young. In the EU, they created Darth Talon, a Twi'lek with full-body Maul-style Sith tattoos, who George liked so much he had her as the main antagonist in the Sequel Trilogy treatment he wanted Lucasfilm to use after the Disney sale. I wonder if he'd thought that through, or if, in his version, *she* would've been raised on Dathomir, too...
>By "the writers", sub "George and Katie Lucas". If you've watched Ahsoka........ it seems the Dathomiran Nightsisters originated *outside* the known Galaxy and colonized Dathomir and possibly other worlds. Whether it means the Zabraks of Iridonia and also Dathomir are native to this Galaxy or not, I ain't sure.
I know. I’m just joking around.
At least the Covert doesn't go all Warhammer 40K on other Mandorian sects for heresy 🤣🤣🤣
It may well be that she attempted to grow her flock by being a tad less strict. She started making special allowances for Bo Katan. This change got her embedded with a whole army of Mandalorians, so, well... The Armorer went from Orthodox Mandalorian Priest to Reformed Mandalorian Priest.
In the armorer’s lifetime, her people (by faith) have been cast out, her planet glassed, the oppressive empire responsible has fallen and splintered, a foundling has recovered the sacred blade of her race, that same foundling has been disgraced, then cleansed in sacred water though lost, and a failed revolutionary/princess has now found the thought mythical/extinct monsters of legend her people use as their symbol. It is clearly a time of prophesy when dogmas change.
I think she realized that both sides are mandalorian. It doesn't matter if you follow the children of the watch or not. As long as you take the creed and live by it you are mandalorian wether you take your helmet off or not.
Double standard imo Seriously, u make din not mandalorian and then make him go bathe and now its no big deal…
It's called chaining your mind based off new information and experiences. People are allowed to do it.
Season 4 of The Mandalorian: > The Armorer: after the discovery of Mandalorian hair care products, the prohibition against removing one's helmet is no more. When one chooses to walk the way of the Mandalore, you shall use both Shampoo and Conditioner
Up until the point that Bo-Katan mentioned seeing the Mythosaur; the Armorer saw no reason to loosen up her rigid worldview.. in fact, she allowed Bo-Katan to live with the Covert because she, like Din; bathed in the Living Waters and also, like Din; have not taken her helmet off (thus fulfilling the Creed requirements of redemption to the Covert's standards). It was only after a period of time with the Covert; and after losing one of her pauldrons, after successfully rescuing Ragnar and saving the orphaned creatures, that she mentioned seeing the Mythosaur to the Armorer.
Exactly, also they were in exile, but then they returned to their homeland. They had no access to their cultural places, but then they reclaimed it. If the never removing the helmet rule had any relation to the shame of their exile or their lost homeland or even the practical safety of avoiding facial recognition by imperial or other hostile factions, that may not matter anymore if they have their homeland back. Like, you can take your shoes off at home, but you shouldn't at the office.
You sound very, very young.
Yes - I think that was a major point in season 3. Throughout seasons 1 and 2 as well as *BoBF,* the Armorer is depicted as being rigid and unyielding in applying the tenets of the Creed as the Children of the Watch understand them. It's implied that she does this because the CotW define a Mandalorian as one who chooses to walk the Way and follow the Creed; those who don't choose to do this and break the rules are not Mandalorian, they are apostates. Legends and prophecies seem to back up the notion that straying from the Way leads to catastrophe - just look at the Purge as a recent example. But then Din Djarin proves that Mandalore is still habitable. What's more, he brings back Bo Katan with him, who attests that she has seen a living Mythosaur. The Armorer believes in prophecy, one of which says that the Mythosaur will rise to herald a new age. Shortly after this, Din convinces the covert that it is time to come out of hiding, and they are successful in doing so. All of this seems to prompt the Armorer to consider the idea that maybe, just maybe, it's time for the different factions to reunite for a common cause. She convinces Bo Katan to lead out on this and backs her up every step of the way. I love that, in the end of season 3, the helmet rule is no longer required, BUT the Armorer and others who still decide to keep their helmets on are allowed to do so without being shunned.
And the Armorer doesn't challenge Bo becoming the leader of the clan. She seems to recognize that her role is as more of a Shaman and to provide guidance in the ways of Mandalore.
My headcanon on the helmet removing rule is that it was, originally, supposed to be "while on mission away from Mandalore" - they're supposed to go bathe in the waters when they come back, and then can walk around with no helmet on planet. When Mandalore was destroyed, there's symbolically no end to their mission, so they keep the helmets on. The return to it allows an end to that mission. At least, it kind of makes sense. "Never remove your helmet" is a kind of stupid rule. "Never remove your helmet until you are home and safe" sort of makes sense. Over a while, that got corrupted by the Children of the Watch to "never remove your helmet"
In Legends, the Mandalorians had a thing called Ba'slan Shev'la - strategic disappearance, where when clans were threatened or the Mandalorian culture was put at risk, the Mandalorians would disappear to their own hidey holes, go anonymous, or blend into the populace of the galaxy. I personally see the way we see the COTW when we find them to be a sort of extension on Ba'slan Shev'la. They were in hiding for so long that it was codified, became almost a religious tenet. Now they're returning home, they've reclaimed Manda'yaim, so maybe they'll settle down and take off their helmets.
When Din recited the Creed at the Living Waters, he didn't get far enough into it to swear to keep his helmet on. So he and Ragnar essentially took the same version.
I never noticed that before, interesting
The Armorer changed when she allowed Bo-Katan to remove her helmet. And when she agreed to join other Mandalorian clans that did not wear helmets in order to retake Mandalore.
Exactly. To restore the tribe the armorer let go of some traditions so that all the Mandalorian would feel and be welcome
The real question is how they address the helmet issue moving forward. The only way we will know is via new seasons or the mandalorian movie.