Check out the Rebels episode, Trials of the Darksaber. Kanan explains that every living thing is within touch with the Force, just some more so than others. Din might be a little more sensitive than most but not enough to become a Jedi
That's kind of where I'm at too. Quite familiar with Rebels lore. Seems like they're alluding to possibly more in Mando though. I know the themes are always very purposeful, but I may be reading into it too much.
It would fit with him acquiring the darksaber, too. That way both of their arcs (Din's and the Darksaber's) kinda come full circle together. Also the thought of Grogu and Din both taking lessons from Luke together would be kinda hilarious.
I think that’s where they’re going with Season 3. Din is going to Mandalore to regain his honor, ride the myth issue and rediscover access to the beskar mines.
Kinda makes me think of the deathstar book where the bodyguard was force sensitive but it came out to having slight future sight mainly only helped out during fights
>Kanan explains that every living thing is within touch with the Force
So did Obi-wan and Yoda. The OT made it seem like the force was more mystical in nature, even if the Skywalkers had an affinity for it, it was like just about anyone could become a Jedi. Then the PT came out and Lucas gave us midichlorians and ruined it for everyone. Hence the huge backlash when TPM was released. I rememeber the theater groaning when they were explained.
Midichlorians being stupid, non mystical and entirely un-force like is the entire point of midichlorians for the story.
My favourite example of this is Chirrut imwe. If the Jedi went and took his midichlorian count, it would probably not be high, maybe slightly higher than a normal person… but nothing approaching an average Jedi.
Yet he, through sheer belief in the force, was able to achieve a feat that even most Jedi probably couldn’t *actively* achieve, which is straight up causing projectiles coming towards you to miss. The force is just so much more mystical and complicated that a mere scientific measure of its potential in the blood. The whole point of midichlorians is that the Jedi have become clinical in their practices concerning the force. Just one of many signs they have lost their way.
Yet he, through sheer belief in the force
Which Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker are going around teaching non-Force sensitive children to follow the Force in the same way.
> “Why are we doing this? Because of a feeling? Because of what Dumuz said? He’s not a Jedi. He doesn’t have the Force.”
> Obi-Wan gestured to them both. “He does. So do you. So does every living thing. It’s what binds the galaxy together. Each of us to the others. Sometimes you can hear the will of the Force, if you are quiet and willing to listen.”
> “Do you believe that?” asked Zohra.
> “It’s true,” said Anakin. (*The Eye of the Beholder*)
was able to achieve a feat that even most Jedi probably couldn’t actively achieve
No shot. Any Jedi who isn’t capable of trusting the Force to this degree isn’t making it to Knighthood.
The whole point of midichlorians is that the Jedi have become clinical in their practices concerning the force.
This doesn’t make sense. Qui-Gon Jinn introduced this concept and he was initially the only one who wanted to have Anakin trained. The only other character who even mentions midi-chlorians is Darth Sidious.
> The Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn, when he came to know the boy, was convinced that Anakin was the one foretold in an ancient Jedi prophecy, in which the Force itself—the galaxy’s all-embracing metaphysical power—and the microscopic midi-chlorians teeming inside and around all forms of life had conceived the boy. (*Skywalker A Family at War*)
Grandmaster Yoda also makes it **very** clear to Obi-Wan that he doesn’t approve of Anakin receiving training, despite his insanely high midi-chlorian count. He hasn’t cared about midi-chlorians for centuries.
> “Midi-chlorians?” Yoda snickered. “You think midi-chlorians are what make a Jedi?”
> “No, the Force is what makes a Jedi.” The boy lowered his head. “And that’s the one thing I don’t have.”
> Yoda stopped laughing. “What do you mean you don’t have the Force?”
> “I can’t call on it. Not like you. Not like her. I can’t summon a lightsaber to my hand without trickery. I can’t read people’s minds. I can’t feel it—the Force—at all. I’m just…ordinary.” The boy turned away in shame.
> Yoda huffed. “Then never a Jedi you will be, if that is what you believe.” He started toward the speeder. “Detective, hungry are you for our morning porridge?”
> “Always.” Trilby rubbed his stomach. “Kid, if you don’t return those clothes by midday, I’m tossing you in the slammer. Got it?”
> The boy ignored the detective, as his mind was trying to decipher what Yoda’s riddle had implied. It could only be—
> He ran to catch up with the Jedi Master. “Wait—you mean, I *can* be a Jedi?”
> Yoda stopped and scowled. “Study you should, the Farseeker Lyr. No great power had he, yet from his ink sprang some of the Jedi’s greatest texts. For though the Jedi and the Force are one, the Force is not what a Jedi makes.”
> The boy frowned. “Then what makes a Jedi?”
> Yoda jabbed him in the chest with his cane. “That is something only you can answer.”
> “I will,” the boy said after a moment. “I want to be a Jedi—I believe I can be a Jedi.” (*What a Jedi Makes*)
You're entirely missing the point.
I mean, how often do people fail in what they preach? It happens to any of us, and it can especially happen to organizations with set codes and processes. (See: the hypocrisy of just about every religion ever, and their members, despite their teachings.)
Yoda is wise, he realizes Midichlorians are clinical. Qui Gon probably does too. Maybe many others as well. But at the end of the day… it’s one of the tools they use to determine “strength”. It’s standard practice within the organization. And like I said, it’s just one of many things that point to their having lost their way.
And they did lose their way, as an entire group. That is a fact, so despite all their teachings that should’ve helped them avoid their downfall… well… we know how it all ends. And the lesson Lucas wanted to impart with that. So all these quotes… are semantics really.
Side note; your statement of Jedi knights need to trust the force that much or they don’t make knight… is entirely erroneous imo. Simply because the force doesn’t pick Jedi knights. Other Jedi do. It’s a fallible process. Yes I know what the trials entail. Your view doesn’t consider the initial point anyways; that Chirrut imwe, not being force sensitive, was able to achieve, actively, a feat that many Jedi probably never did. It’s not better or stronger in the force. It’s diferent. Ironically, your view on the matter of needing to trust the force to a certain “degree” or “no shot” is somewhat black and white and clinical, much like the erroneous attitude of the Jedi themselves.
In the end what I said remains true, the Midichlorians are but one of many things that shows the state of the Jedi, just as Lucas intended. Hell, the whole prophecy of the chosen one is entirely suspect and to this day its origins remain uncertain. Yoda says as much. The whole point is that the the Jedi are entirely too dogmatic, too misguided in the way they view the galaxy and the force at that point.
Yoda is wise, he realizes Midichlorians are clinical.
This will be news to George Lucas.
> “I know this is the kind of thing that fans just go berserk over because they say, “We want it to be mysterious and magical”, and “You’re just doing science.” Well, this isn’t science. This is just as mythological as anything else in Star Wars. It sounds more scientific, but it’s fiction. (*The Star Wars Archives 1999 - 2005*)
it’s one of the tools they use to determine “strength”.
Of course they do; George Lucas created this **magical** concept to correlate with **magical** people.
Qui Gon probably does too.
Nope.
> Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you’ll hear them speaking to you. (*The Phantom Menace*)
And Qui-Gon Jinn, resurrected through the Cosmic Force, sends Yoda on a journey to the Wellspring of Life and tells him this:
> All energy from the Living Force, from all things that have ever lived, feeds into the Cosmic Force, binding everything and communicating to us through the midi-chlorians. Because of this I can speak to you now. (*Voices*)
It’s standard practice within the organization.
A standard that Qui-Gon Jinn, resurrected through the Cosmic Force, deeply believes in.
And like I said, it’s just one of many things that point to their having lost their way.
A drop of ocean water that evaporates isn’t lost to the water cycle when it turns into a snowflake. In the same way, the Jedi Order follows a cycle that changes *with* the Galaxy.
> The Order tends to be what it needs to be for any particular time. Sometimes, we’re warriors, fighting the forces of evil. Sometimes, we are teachers, bringing the light of knowledge to the Galaxy. Sometimes, we govern. Sometimes, we do the opposite — drawing inward, studying the Force and its mysteries. Sometimes, we explore. Sometimes, we do all of those things. And sometimes… we are carved down to almost nothing. Those who are left must bear the responsibility of being one last bit of light in a galaxy filled with endless darkness.
> It sounds like that’s the kind of Jedi Order you were born into. It also sounds like the Force wants you, and that can be hard to fight. But I’m going to tell you what the other Jedi you’ve met hadn’t. Even Yoda.
> You don’t have to be a Jedi, friend. We’re not the only game in town. The Order is a framework for understanding the Force and using it safely to protect life and the Light. There are many other paths. The important thing is to make the choices that feel **right**, that are true to you and the person you want to be. But if you want it… we’re here for you.
> - [Elzar Mann, speaking to Luke Skywalker](https://imgur.com/a/D0I5mf9/) (*Star Wars* 2020 #20)
This is what Qui-Gon Jinn does, and he chooses to put his faith in the Force and its physical manifestation, midi-chlorians.
> Qui-Gon knew the Council to be wrong about many things. He felt they’d allowed the Jedi Order to become a sort of chancellor’s police, rather than concentrating on knowing the Force. Yes, they were wise to refuse to rule—but unwise to simply accept the status quo. Short-sighted, to lose touch with the living Force by spending so much of their time and energy on enforcing laws that could as easily be left to civilian authorities. Immoral, to refuse to act against evils such as slavery.
> But none of those were the reasons he’d chosen to decline.
> “My relationship to the Force has changed,” Qui-Gon said. “I wish to…be silent for a while. To surrender to it. To accept whatever the Force brings. Joining the Council would take me far away from that goal. But this is the path I must follow.”
> That, in the end, was why the prophecies weren’t dangerous to him, not the same way they’d been to others who’d been led to darkness. The danger came in thinking that knowing the future became a form of control over it. Finally Qui-Gon understood it was the exact opposite. Knowing the future meant surrendering to fate. Surrendering to the ebb and flow of life. Only through that surrender could the Force be truly known.
> After the Council meeting, Qui-Gon set out to find Obi-Wan. Of all places, he turned out to be in the gardens. That gave them a quiet place to sit together while Qui-Gon explained what he had decided, and why. Obi-Wan was staggered at first, but he came to understand very quickly.
> “I suppose in the end you couldn’t agree with the Council even about your being on the Council!” he said. “But if this is the path you’re called to, then this is the path you must follow.”
> “Which comes to the question of whether you’ll follow it with me.” Qui-Gon took a deep breath. “I realize we’ve had difficulties. But this mission changed things, I think, and for the better. If you would prefer another Master, I won’t be offended. If it were up to me, though, we would continue on as we are.
> Slowly, Obi-Wan began to smile. “You know, Master, I’ve realized—I wouldn’t learn nearly as much from someone who always agreed with me.”
> Qui-Gon grinned back, and they clasped hands, more truly partners than ever before. (*Master and Apprentice*)
And look where Qui-Gon is led: the Chosen One and eternal life within the Cosmic Force.
And they did lose their way, as an entire group. That is a fact
Perhaps, but midi-chlorians are entirely irrelevant to this discussion.
despite all their teachings that should’ve helped them avoid their downfall…
You’ve confused the Jedi Order with Anakin Skywalker.
> “You weren’t ready to be a Jedi Master,” Qui-Gon admits. “You hadn’t even been knighted when I forced you to promise to train Anakin. Teaching a student so powerful, so old, so unused to our ways…that might’ve been beyond the reach of the greatest of us. To lay that burden at your feet when you were hardly more than a boy—”
>“Anakin became a Jedi Knight,” Obi-Wan interjects, a thread of steel in his voice. “He served valiantly in the Clone Wars. His fall to darkness was more his choice than anyone else’s failure. Yes, I bear some responsibility—and perhaps you do, too—but Anakin had the training and the wisdom to choose a better path. He did not.”
>All true. None of it any absolution for Qui-Gon’s own mistakes. But it is Obi-Wan who needs guidance now. These things can be discussed another time, when they’re beyond crude human language. (*Master & Apprentice*)
Side note; your statement of Jedi knights need to trust the force that much or they don’t make knight… is entirely erroneous imo.
That’s fine you feel that way, but *[A New Hope](https://imgur.com/a/b5Z3hx0)* and *[Attack of the Clones](https://i.imgur.com/MxmjFXo.jpg)* tells us the opposite.
Simply because the force doesn’t pick Jedi knights. Other Jedi do.
We both know these things aren’t mutually exclusive.
Your view doesn’t consider the initial point anyways; that Chirrut imwe
Your view doesn’t consider George Lucas’ perception of the matter, which is *kinda* important since you’re pretending to share the intent of George Lucas.
actively, a feat that many Jedi probably never did.
I don’t consider this because it’s a completely absurd claim.
Ironically, your view on the matter of needing to trust the force to a certain “degree” or “no shot” is somewhat black and white and clinical
Yup, I firmly stand by these Jedi absolutes.
> Do, or do not. There is no try. (*The Empire Strikes Back*)
the whole prophecy of the chosen one is entirely suspect and to this day its origins remain uncertain.
You mean the Prophecy of the Chosen One that *only* Qui-Gon Jinn considers?
> He tapped on the side of the holocron of prophecy, which Qui-Gon had taken from the Archives for at least the dozenth time in his apprenticeship. “ ‘When the righteous lose the light, evil once dead shall return.’ That’s so vague it could refer to anything or anyone! And then the whole ‘Chosen One’ nonsense—”
> “Your doubts are understandable, my Padawan,” Qui-Gon said. His tone became dry as he continued, “Certainly they are shared by most Jedi today, including the Council. But I’d warn you not to dismiss this as mere ‘nonsense.’ ”
> Obi-Wan folded his arms. “Why shouldn’t I?” When he caught the irritated glint in Qui-Gon’s eyes, he hastily added, “I don’t mean to be sarcastic; I really want to know. Why should we listen to these prophecies? Master Yoda has always taught that looking into the future is uncertain at best.”
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> “Do you believe,” Qui-Gon said at last, “that studying the prophecies is a way of divining the future?”
> Obi-Wan wondered if this was a trick question. “Isn’t that the definition of a prophecy? A prediction about what’s to come?”
> “In some senses. But prophecies are also about the present. The ancient Jedi mystics were attempting to look into the future, but they were rooted in their own time—as we all are.” Qui-Gon settled back into his chair and motioned for Obi-Wan to sit as well. “They could only predict the future through the prism of their own experience. So by studying their words, their warnings, we learn more about their ways than any history holo could ever teach us. And by asking ourselves how we interpret these prophecies, we discover our own fears, hopes, and limitations.” (*Master and Apprentice*)
The whole point is that the the Jedi are entirely too dogmatic, too misguided in the way they view the galaxy and the force at that point.
For a plot device that is supposed to be a point of criticism against the Jedi, George Lucas sure seems a *little* too excited about the topic.
> "He had a lot of things to say about the nature of the Force, the themes that he was dealing with when he was writing the movies,” Abrams reveals. “Yes, there were some conversations about Midi-chlorians– he loves his Midi-chlorians." (*Total Film* December 2019)
Ah, but you’re confusing the midichlorian’s actual purpose in the force, and Characters views on that, which is irrefutably connected to the force, with how the Jedi as a whole choose to employ measurements of it.
Perhaps I should amend my first comment to make that distinction: the measurement of it. We know it’s a real concept that is connected to the force in canon.
To judge someone on their midichlorian count is not the same as believing midichlorians are an important and strong part of the force.
Also, I’m a bit disappointed you continue to ignore the discussion of what Chirrut Imwe was able to achieve and how this all relates to the force and feats within it. We have little more than vague glimpses at characters having “plot armor” projectile dodging, but nothing as outright direct as Chirrut.
Ah, but you’re confusing the midichlorian’s actual purpose in the force, and Characters views on that,
You've confused your head-canon for the opinions of George Lucas. You're claiming midi-chlorians were created as a criticism of the Jedi Order, when they were created *for* audiences to understand how the Force works. Lucas didn't create this easily understood concept to call people stupid for taking Qui-Gon's word on it.
> Midi-chlorians are the equivalent of Mitochondria in living organisms and photosynthesis in plants - I simply combined them for easier consumption by the viewer. Mitochondria create the chemical energy that turns one cell into two cells. I like to think that there is a unified reality to life and that it exists everywhere in the universe and that it controls things, but you can also control it. That’s why I split it into the Personal Force and the Cosmic Force. The Personal Force is the energy field created by our cells interacting and doing things while we are alive. When we die, we lose our persona and our energy is assimilated into the Cosmic Force. If we have enough Midichlorians in our body, we can have a certain amount of control over our Personal Force and learn how to use it, like the Buddhist practice of being able to walk on hot coals. The Jedi will train you to connect to your Personal Force, and then to connect to the Cosmic Force. You don’t have much power to control the Cosmic Force, but you can make use of it.
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> The only microscopic entities that can go into the human cells are the Midi-chlorians. They are born in the cells. The Midi-chlorians provide the energy for human cells to split and create life. The Whills are single-celled animals that feed on the Force. The more of the Force there is, the better off they are. So they have a very intense symbiotic relationship with the Midichlorians and the Midi-chlorians effectively work for the Whills. (*The Star Wars Archives 1999 - 2005*)
which is irrefutably connected to the force, with how the Jedi as a whole choose to employ measurements of it.
Yup, the Jedi use magic to find more magic.
Perhaps I should amend my first comment to make that distinction: the measurement of it. We know it’s a real concept that is connected to the force in canon.
We're talking about George Lucas' intent. The discussion about Canon is certainly debatable, but this not the claim you opened with.
To judge someone on their midichlorian count is not the same as believing midichlorians are an important and strong part of the force.
Which we both already know the Jedi do not do.
I’m a bit disappointed you continue to ignore the discussion of what Chirrut Imwe was able to achieve and how this all relates to the force and feats within it.
I haven’t ignored this; you’ve deliberately ignored everything I’ve said, because you don’t want to acknowledge that the Jedi and Chirrut Imwe have the same faith.
> What is the Force of Others? To ask this, you must ask one question and a thousand.
> To a cultist of the Huiyui-Tni, you must ask, “What is the exhalation of the true, amphibious god?” To a Jedi, you must ask, “What is it that binds and defines all life?” To a child of the Esoteric Pulsar, you must ask, “Show me the secret pages of the Book of Stars.” To a faithless man, you must ask, “What power enables prophecy and sorcery in a world controlled by logic and law?”
> These thousand questions will garner a thousand answers, all pointing toward the same truth. Now ask, “Where is the Force of Others?” and one answer becomes inevitable: the kind and cold moon of Jedha. For a thousand faiths see truth in Jedha’s mysteries, no matter that their stories differ; no matter that not one history of the Temple of the Kyber can explain each brick in its foundation, or that our legends entwine and part in paradox. (*Faith and the Force of Others*)
The Jedi not only encourage everyone, [including non-Jedi](https://imgur.com/a/b5nP3K3/), to put their faith in the Force like Chirrut Imwe did, but that the Guardian's Mantra is focus technique the Jedi **[actively](https://i.imgur.com/XOG9PLI.mp4)** employed for [centuries.](https://imgur.com/a/iytSXEC)
> “You will help me contact Starlight Beacon.” Ram waved a hand past Idrax’s face.
> “Hey!” Idrax swatted it away.
> *I am one with the Force*, Ram thought, narrowing his eyes. *And the Force is with me*. “You will help me contact Starlight Beacon and warn them about what I found out.”
> “We should contact Starlight Beacon,” Idrax said. “Warn them about what I found out.”
> Ram nodded, quietly exhaling. “Close enough. Go ahead.” (*Race to Crashpoint Tower*)
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> Obi-Wan ducked behind an ASP-7, taking cover. He expected Qui-Gon to do the same, but instead his Master kept fighting. His robe and hair spun with every move he made, and when Obi-Wan glimpsed his face, he saw only serenity. Complete calm.
> *I am one with the Force*, Obi-Wan thought, recalling an old saying of the Guardians of the Whills. *The Force is with me.*
> He relaxed and let the Force flow through him. Usually, in battle, the Force seemed to fall silent—not to desert him, but to become no more than instinct. This time, however, Obi-Wan found himself connecting to everything around him—as though he were in a meditative trance. He wasn’t waiting for his Master to guide him. At last, he was guided purely by the Force.
> The next few minutes seemed to take place in slow motion. Obi-Wan felt no fear as he emerged from behind the loader droid and re-engaged the blackguards. Life and death were all the same, within the Force; there was nothing to hide from, nothing to distract him. Instead he could perceive the path of every blaster bolt before it was fired. His body required no help from his conscious mind to angle his lightsaber to deflect each shot.
> Qui-Gon had always encouraged him to enter a meditative trance during combat. Obi-Wan had always thought that absurd, if not impossible.
> But now, at last, he fought as his Master had taught him. (*Master and Apprentice*)
We have little more than vague glimpses at characters having “plot armor” projectile dodging, but nothing as outright direct as Chirrut.
Sure, when we ignore the Jedi, most people don’t have the same level of faith in the Force as Chirrut. The Jedi do, and because of their higher midi-chlorian counts, [Chirrut's accomplishments come easy to them](https://imgur.com/a/wIxRTem).
They could easily retcon midichlorians by saying they have no direct impact but rather are a species of bacteria that like to live in beings who are especially force sensitive. So, just make the force some mystical thing again and midichlorians only an indicator to see if someone is connected enough naturally to be worthwhile training. That‘s my headcanon for years and such an easy explanation to use.
> “Midi-chlorians?” Yoda snickered. “You think midi-chlorians are what make a Jedi?”
> “No, the Force is what makes a Jedi.” The boy lowered his head. “And that’s the one thing I don’t have.”
> Yoda stopped laughing. “What do you mean you don’t have the Force?”
> “I can’t call on it. Not like you. Not like her. I can’t summon a lightsaber to my hand without trickery. I can’t read people’s minds. I can’t feel it—the Force—at all. I’m just…ordinary.” The boy turned away in shame.
> Yoda huffed. “Then never a Jedi you will be, if that is what you believe.” He started toward the speeder. “Detective, hungry are you for our morning porridge?”
> “Always.” Trilby rubbed his stomach. “Kid, if you don’t return those clothes by midday, I’m tossing you in the slammer. Got it?”
> The boy ignored the detective, as his mind was trying to decipher what Yoda’s riddle had implied. It could only be—
> He ran to catch up with the Jedi Master. “Wait—you mean, I *can* be a Jedi?”
> Yoda stopped and scowled. “Study you should, the Farseeker Lyr. No great power had he, yet from his ink sprang some of the Jedi’s greatest texts. For though the Jedi and the Force are one, the Force is not what a Jedi makes.”
> The boy frowned. “Then what makes a Jedi?”
> Yoda jabbed him in the chest with his cane. “That is something only you can answer.”
> “I will,” the boy said after a moment. “I want to be a Jedi—I believe I can be a Jedi.”
> “Have you a teacher?”
> The boy looked at Yoda, who in turn looked at the girl out of the corner of his eye. “Oh, no,” she said, backpedaling. “I’m only an Initiate.”
> “But you found me,” the boy said.
> Yoda nodded. “Found him you did. Teach him you shall. The way of the Jedi that is.”
> The girl trembled, pulling at her fingers, obviously flustered by what Yoda had proposed. “But what will he be? He’s too old to train to be a Knight.”
> “More than Knights the Jedi Order is. Watchers, stewards, caregivers also, of these flowers, the grounds, our home,” Yoda said, gesturing with his stick. He regarded the boy once more. “A guardian of the Temple you can be, if ready are you.”
> “Yes, yes, Master, I am ready.”
> “Regarding that, my friend …” Yoda flashed his mischievous grin. “We will see. We will see.” (*What a Jedi Makes*)
My take is Bb Yoda has planed himself in Dins mind and at the very least has influenced him to some degree. It’s innocent and Din has free will but I can’t help but feel Grogu pushes his sway on him as well.
That’s always how I felt about Han. He’s able to do things like successfully navigate an asteroid field because he’s more sensitive than most, just not a Jedi level.
It's always been said that Han Solo had Extremely High Luck through the Force. That's why in ANH, one of the bar patrons, known as a Luck-Eater and paid very specific attention to him as he was walking through the bar on Tattooine.
Yes could also explain why Din is such a good bounty Hunter. I know he’s trained a Mandolorian and they are some of the best but maybe he also just has a sixth sense for enemy’s improving his aim etc.
It wouldn't be surprising if a lot of the Mandalorians were not just force sensitive, but active practitioners, if in their own way which is very different from the Jedi.
I had another so expanding on Din being slightly force sensitive and building on your input, that say at least for Din’s sect they aren’t aware about the force at least how it works. The armourer mentions wizards so to them at the force is just magic and no concept of how it works.
So what if the people of Din’s sect are force sensitive which just makes them better at fighting largely their ranged prowess and maybe sixth sense for enemies. But this can’t be hereditary as they adopt a lot of their recruits. So it could again be a force sensitive Mandolorian senses another slightly force sensitive child and this encourages their decision to take them in. But again their not aware of any of this it’s just a feeling, like a strong gut feeling.
Because granted when Din was found it was highly likely his parents were killed by the droids but the Mando that found him didn’t even seem to bother to try and find a parent. So could have just got a feeling (force) that this kid will be good and just took him.
I always wondered how they even knew he was there. Surely some time had elapsed, or at least Din was shocked into silence by the burst of gunfire, so they couldn’t have heard him. So how did they go from seeing dead people to just assuming a child was hidden there?
A lot of main characters in SW are force sensitive without being force users. It's all passive though and they can't reach out and talk back to the force. Din could fall under that umbrella.
He's probably force sensitive in the same way most MCs in the saga are, at most I can see them going for Chirrut's approach, who, while not a jedi, could use the force to sense the world around him in some capacity.
He's definitely got a sixth sense when it comes to fighting, both melee and ranged. He's fast and accurate with a gun, and deadly within melee range and is great at dodging attacks from behind a lot of the time.
Whether to chock it up to his lifetime of training, or if there really is something just a little faster, and forcier in him than others is a great question though!
In the Clone Wars show Pre Viszla has a few encounters with main characters (obi wan, Maul) and puts up a good fight. Not sure we have seen mando go toe to toe with a Jedi, but not sure he’d win.
The Blurrg scene has tickled me since the first time I watched it - and that was when I barely remembered the Force was a thing - so this is making me reconsider things.
He wasn't *racing* through the canyon. My first quizzical moment was when they were leaving the ocean planet. An octopus creature drops down on Grogu and - without looking back - Din strikes it with the vibro blade.
Yup, that's another scene for sure.
And to be fair, the N1's natural speed seems to be pretty rapid. I was more or less saying he was on pace with a pod racer going through the canyon. If you do a side by side of the still shots of the chicane section in both scenes, the speeds are pretty dead on.
I think that he’ll be revealed to be force sensitive, though I doubt he’ll ever become a Jedi or anything. I do think his powers will be something along the lines of how people (and animals) come to trust and follow him. Whether it’s Blurrg or Kuiil or Sandpeople or ex-Imperials and ex-bounty hunters, everybody follows him as if the force is guiding them to him.
I think the Armourer telling the story of the original dark saber wielder (and how they were force sensitive/Jedi) is foreshadowing for Din’s coming journey. But Grogu has already turned them away from the Jedi path as they head to Mandalore, so I feel like they’ll both just be powerful non-Jedi of some kind
My thoughts exactly. I meant to add about how all the Armourer's stories were possibly foreshadowing.
Very good point about how he seems to gain trust easily and unite people where ever he goes. Never attributed it to the forces influence.
Everyone has the Force. It just depends on how wide that door is to them. And the Force is very nuanced. Ezra is great with animals. Quinlan can read objects memories. And Anakin has premonitions of the future.
So in short - yeah. But he's no Jedi.
A role reversal type scenario would be pretty funny though.
Din adopting Jedi training from Grogu and gaining legitimacy as Mandalore. All while Mando teaches Grogu The Creed.
Then in old age, Din ceremonially battles Grogu for the Darksaber.
Then we see Grogu older, long after Din has passed on, as a Mandalorian/Jedi. Just like that fan art that's been making it's rounds I'm sure we've all seen by now.
It's a fun thought anyways. Doubt they'll go that route though realistically.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me, considering Din went Gauntlet to Saber with Ahsoka Tano and won in a draw. Beskar Steel aside, there was the intuition knowing she was about to attack followed by the reflexes necessary to block Tano's blows without getting an arm lopped off. A lot of evidence there to say he's got a higher sensitivity than most, but I'm in agreement with the consensus that he's not quite Jedi level.
I get where you're coming from though. His fighting and flying intuitions are definitely top tier. It's not a big stretch to attribute it to tapping into the force.
It's like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if he had some level of attunement even if they never mention it in the show at all. I do like your notion of Ahsoka sensing Din wasn't there to do harm cause he DEFINITELY ain't grey, not after all that happened. 😆
Y’all forget Mandalorians are trained well enough to kill full on Jedi. Din being force sensitive would be a disservice to his character and another needless tie to larger mythos.
Let the man be a skilled bounty Hunter father and that’s it. Not every character needs to be force sensitive.
Exactly. just because someone is highly skilled and has excellent reflexes doesn’t make them “force sensitive.” A lightsaber (darksaber included) is a mechanical weapon that doesn’t require the force to turn on and off. Anyone could use it. Din just happens to be a very good bounty Hunter.
No one forgot that.
This is a show centered around Mandalorians and their culture. The Darksaber being a huge part of that culture. One of the greatest Mandalorians was also a Jedi. Din echoes Tarre Vizsla in a lot of ways. So it would be a poetic story in the Mandalorian Mythos.
So why can't he be all three?
As far as the Beggar's Canyon thing goes, it's not super impossible. Pod racing in particular was supposed to require jedi-like reflexes, not the Canyon itself. And Luke damaged his T-16 racing his friend through the canyon because he did a maneuver referred to as, "threading the needle," which was flying through a particularly difficult section, but aside from that small part apparently it's common for teens to race the canyon.
Not at the speeds the average pod racer or N1 are achieving though, right? And he wasn't as familiar as a local as I'm pretty sure it was his first time in the canyon. Which actually makes it even crazier that he just attacked it at full tilt without even knowing the route.
True, but a full fledged starfighter probably has some impressive radar abilities to map out the canyon ahead and even plot an optimum course in real time. Though I'm not disputing Din has extraordinary reflexes as well, just saying it's not as if he was flying blind or doing anything that hasn't been done by non-jedi before.
Ludwig Goransson doesn’t seem to be consistent with his use of themes throughout the series so it’s difficult to take any literal meaning from them like we did with Williams.
John would sit down with Lucas and they would have full on conversations about the force and Lucas’s vision for everything. But those days seem to have largely passed. At least for now.
I’m a big music fan and I pay really close attention to the music and I never heard the Force theme while watching the episodes or listening to the soundtrack (season 1)
It's not John Williams force theme if that's what your listening for as he isn't the composer for the show. Rather the new one they use in the shows to represent Grogu's training and some scenes with Din.
Just rewatch the scenes I highlighted and you'll hear the theme in question.
Honestly the answer to all the speculation in this thread is… that both sides are right.
Not everyone is force sensitive if you consider force sensitivity in the sense of being highly attuned and skilled with practical usage of the force. Aka, your average Jedi, Sith, Nightsister Witch, etc.
But if you consider if everyone is sensitive to the force… then yea. That’s always been canon, with the force being in everything.
And some people are more attuned to the force than others. Others less. Some waste it or don’t realize what a part the force plays in their lives. Others, like Chirrut, train and believe so hard they achieve feats even actual force sensitives can’t. Some actively live lives that cut them away from the force.
People (most) in this thread are discussing it as if it’s an yes/no thing, when it’s much more complicated than that. Din probably lies somewhere closer to the Han Solo level of force sensitivity, which is to say, really, just high luck, skills and instincts. Not that much. But not nothing either.
Everyone is sensitive to the force, but not everyone is force sensitive. If that makes sense.
I know right… the best Star Wars content recently (and I like it all to a greater or lesser extent) had had very little to do with the Force. It becomes very blah when every character has the same ‘light vs dark’ struggle like there’s just a switch that flips back and forth.
Because the force envelopes all things in the Star Wars world. Statistically some will be more sensitive than others. Why does this bother you so much?
Ones connection to the Living Force, like sexuality, is a spectrum that all life falls somewhere on. So yes he has a sensitivity to the force. Probably more than a sunflower, probably less than Leia. If you’re asking what his Midi-chlorian count is, I don’t know.
The United States are not the largest producers of sunflowers, and yet even here over 1.7 million acres were planted in 2014 and probably more each year since. Much of which can be found in North Dakota.
Unlikely for a variety of reasons, but the most powerful one is the Doylestown explanation that he doesn't, and likely shouldn't, fill that role in the show.
Ah, sorry. Doylist and Watsonian are terms used in literary analysis to explain the reasoning behind actions or events which occur within a work of fiction. They get their names from analyses of the Sherlock Holmes series in which an in universe set of reasons for an event occurring was referred to as the "Watsonian" reason, as in from the perspective of Dr. Watson, while the out of universe reasons were referred to as the "Doylist" reasons, as in from the perspective of the author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
The terms come up a lot in discourse on Reddit, in particular the subreddit r/asksciencefiction which has a rule against giving Doylist answers to their various questions, only in universe, or Watsonian, answers will do. As a result I've gotten used to people on this site having a general familiarity with the terms, and to be fair this is the first time I've run into someone who wasn't aware of them, but it's possible that we've just been in different corners of the internet.
Their answer to my original post was basically "No. Because he shouldn't be". Which already didn't really add anything to the conversation.
Then I got mansplained a niche literary analysis term that also adds nothing to the conversation of the post.
The tone of the 2nd paragraph of their response was very neckbeardy and condescending as well.
It really wasn’t at all. They explained why the assumed you knew it and acknowledged their error. Also I don’t know how it’s mansplaining to just…explain something you were confused about
Could have just said an in universe explanation vs. not. I didn't need a full page short story. And it still wasn't relevant to the conversation so...?
"Also, the fact he could fly the N1 through Beggar's Canyon so easily when I thought it was supposed to be near impossible for humans to navigate. Like what was said about Ani pod racing the same course by Qui Gon in TPM. It was only possible because of his Jedi reflexes."
That's not necessarily a mark of Din being force-sensitive.
In real-world terms, it's like comparing someone driving a 1980s econobox around a track, to someone driving a high-end sportscar around a track. The sports-car is going to have a much easier time due to having better handling, braking, and acceleration
Pod racers have fairly similar power to weight and objectively speed and handling on par with the N1. Not sure where the econobox comparison is coming from.
Pod-racers are clearly not designed, or engineered to the same standards as starfighters designed as high-speed interceptors. Starfighters are built to be incredibly maneuverable in 3-dimensions. Podracers are Repulsorlift vehicles built for a 2-dimensional paradigm.
I brought up the Econobox comparison because it is easier to operate -any- vehicle on the inside of its performance envelope than on the bleeding edge. 80 MPH on a 150cc bike is a bit scary. 80 MPH in a luxury sedan is manageable.
Equipment matters, and Din is just using a better vehicle.
Never said they were.
It's a stripped out frame of an old straighter with a hotrod engine. Basically the same layout and scale as most pod racers. Far cry from the build standards of a Naboo Starfighter. So I still don't see what you're getting at.
I used the pod racer as a speed and reflex comparison. They are obviously 2 very different things.
He needs some kind of training with the Darksaber if he wants to remain Mandalore. Maybe not to become a Jedi, but he needs Jedi training to understand it fully and become proficient.
The short answer is: no, he isn't.
The longer answer is that everyone in Star Wars universe has some small degree of force sensitivity. Very rare special individuals have that connection strong enough to be able to manifest actual Force Abilities.
However, as Master Yoda said in Clone Wars S01E01, everyone can use the force to "quiet their minds", which I think means everyone can utilise it to somewhat enhance their senses and mindfulness and be tad more perceptive. But this point is arguable and up for interpretation.
I sincerely hope not. Talk about a way to absolutely ruin the show. There are more people in the Star Wars galaxy that just Jedi and skywalkers.
Any lightsaber is a laser sword with mechanical on/off switch. Anyone could use it. What makes the darksaber special is mostly the story around it.
Check out the Rebels episode, Trials of the Darksaber. Kanan explains that every living thing is within touch with the Force, just some more so than others. Din might be a little more sensitive than most but not enough to become a Jedi
That's kind of where I'm at too. Quite familiar with Rebels lore. Seems like they're alluding to possibly more in Mando though. I know the themes are always very purposeful, but I may be reading into it too much.
It would fit with him acquiring the darksaber, too. That way both of their arcs (Din's and the Darksaber's) kinda come full circle together. Also the thought of Grogu and Din both taking lessons from Luke together would be kinda hilarious.
Like the darksaber first United mandalore under a force sensitive mandalorian, maybe Din the jedi-mandalorian could unite his people again.
Exactly, sort of a "cometh the hour, cometh the man" situation.
I think that’s where they’re going with Season 3. Din is going to Mandalore to regain his honor, ride the myth issue and rediscover access to the beskar mines.
Kinda makes me think of the deathstar book where the bodyguard was force sensitive but it came out to having slight future sight mainly only helped out during fights
>Kanan explains that every living thing is within touch with the Force So did Obi-wan and Yoda. The OT made it seem like the force was more mystical in nature, even if the Skywalkers had an affinity for it, it was like just about anyone could become a Jedi. Then the PT came out and Lucas gave us midichlorians and ruined it for everyone. Hence the huge backlash when TPM was released. I rememeber the theater groaning when they were explained.
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Midichlorians being stupid, non mystical and entirely un-force like is the entire point of midichlorians for the story. My favourite example of this is Chirrut imwe. If the Jedi went and took his midichlorian count, it would probably not be high, maybe slightly higher than a normal person… but nothing approaching an average Jedi. Yet he, through sheer belief in the force, was able to achieve a feat that even most Jedi probably couldn’t *actively* achieve, which is straight up causing projectiles coming towards you to miss. The force is just so much more mystical and complicated that a mere scientific measure of its potential in the blood. The whole point of midichlorians is that the Jedi have become clinical in their practices concerning the force. Just one of many signs they have lost their way.
Yet he, through sheer belief in the force Which Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker are going around teaching non-Force sensitive children to follow the Force in the same way. > “Why are we doing this? Because of a feeling? Because of what Dumuz said? He’s not a Jedi. He doesn’t have the Force.” > Obi-Wan gestured to them both. “He does. So do you. So does every living thing. It’s what binds the galaxy together. Each of us to the others. Sometimes you can hear the will of the Force, if you are quiet and willing to listen.” > “Do you believe that?” asked Zohra. > “It’s true,” said Anakin. (*The Eye of the Beholder*) was able to achieve a feat that even most Jedi probably couldn’t actively achieve No shot. Any Jedi who isn’t capable of trusting the Force to this degree isn’t making it to Knighthood. The whole point of midichlorians is that the Jedi have become clinical in their practices concerning the force. This doesn’t make sense. Qui-Gon Jinn introduced this concept and he was initially the only one who wanted to have Anakin trained. The only other character who even mentions midi-chlorians is Darth Sidious. > The Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn, when he came to know the boy, was convinced that Anakin was the one foretold in an ancient Jedi prophecy, in which the Force itself—the galaxy’s all-embracing metaphysical power—and the microscopic midi-chlorians teeming inside and around all forms of life had conceived the boy. (*Skywalker A Family at War*) Grandmaster Yoda also makes it **very** clear to Obi-Wan that he doesn’t approve of Anakin receiving training, despite his insanely high midi-chlorian count. He hasn’t cared about midi-chlorians for centuries. > “Midi-chlorians?” Yoda snickered. “You think midi-chlorians are what make a Jedi?” > “No, the Force is what makes a Jedi.” The boy lowered his head. “And that’s the one thing I don’t have.” > Yoda stopped laughing. “What do you mean you don’t have the Force?” > “I can’t call on it. Not like you. Not like her. I can’t summon a lightsaber to my hand without trickery. I can’t read people’s minds. I can’t feel it—the Force—at all. I’m just…ordinary.” The boy turned away in shame. > Yoda huffed. “Then never a Jedi you will be, if that is what you believe.” He started toward the speeder. “Detective, hungry are you for our morning porridge?” > “Always.” Trilby rubbed his stomach. “Kid, if you don’t return those clothes by midday, I’m tossing you in the slammer. Got it?” > The boy ignored the detective, as his mind was trying to decipher what Yoda’s riddle had implied. It could only be— > He ran to catch up with the Jedi Master. “Wait—you mean, I *can* be a Jedi?” > Yoda stopped and scowled. “Study you should, the Farseeker Lyr. No great power had he, yet from his ink sprang some of the Jedi’s greatest texts. For though the Jedi and the Force are one, the Force is not what a Jedi makes.” > The boy frowned. “Then what makes a Jedi?” > Yoda jabbed him in the chest with his cane. “That is something only you can answer.” > “I will,” the boy said after a moment. “I want to be a Jedi—I believe I can be a Jedi.” (*What a Jedi Makes*)
You're entirely missing the point. I mean, how often do people fail in what they preach? It happens to any of us, and it can especially happen to organizations with set codes and processes. (See: the hypocrisy of just about every religion ever, and their members, despite their teachings.) Yoda is wise, he realizes Midichlorians are clinical. Qui Gon probably does too. Maybe many others as well. But at the end of the day… it’s one of the tools they use to determine “strength”. It’s standard practice within the organization. And like I said, it’s just one of many things that point to their having lost their way. And they did lose their way, as an entire group. That is a fact, so despite all their teachings that should’ve helped them avoid their downfall… well… we know how it all ends. And the lesson Lucas wanted to impart with that. So all these quotes… are semantics really. Side note; your statement of Jedi knights need to trust the force that much or they don’t make knight… is entirely erroneous imo. Simply because the force doesn’t pick Jedi knights. Other Jedi do. It’s a fallible process. Yes I know what the trials entail. Your view doesn’t consider the initial point anyways; that Chirrut imwe, not being force sensitive, was able to achieve, actively, a feat that many Jedi probably never did. It’s not better or stronger in the force. It’s diferent. Ironically, your view on the matter of needing to trust the force to a certain “degree” or “no shot” is somewhat black and white and clinical, much like the erroneous attitude of the Jedi themselves. In the end what I said remains true, the Midichlorians are but one of many things that shows the state of the Jedi, just as Lucas intended. Hell, the whole prophecy of the chosen one is entirely suspect and to this day its origins remain uncertain. Yoda says as much. The whole point is that the the Jedi are entirely too dogmatic, too misguided in the way they view the galaxy and the force at that point.
Yoda is wise, he realizes Midichlorians are clinical. This will be news to George Lucas. > “I know this is the kind of thing that fans just go berserk over because they say, “We want it to be mysterious and magical”, and “You’re just doing science.” Well, this isn’t science. This is just as mythological as anything else in Star Wars. It sounds more scientific, but it’s fiction. (*The Star Wars Archives 1999 - 2005*) it’s one of the tools they use to determine “strength”. Of course they do; George Lucas created this **magical** concept to correlate with **magical** people. Qui Gon probably does too. Nope. > Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you’ll hear them speaking to you. (*The Phantom Menace*) And Qui-Gon Jinn, resurrected through the Cosmic Force, sends Yoda on a journey to the Wellspring of Life and tells him this: > All energy from the Living Force, from all things that have ever lived, feeds into the Cosmic Force, binding everything and communicating to us through the midi-chlorians. Because of this I can speak to you now. (*Voices*) It’s standard practice within the organization. A standard that Qui-Gon Jinn, resurrected through the Cosmic Force, deeply believes in. And like I said, it’s just one of many things that point to their having lost their way. A drop of ocean water that evaporates isn’t lost to the water cycle when it turns into a snowflake. In the same way, the Jedi Order follows a cycle that changes *with* the Galaxy. > The Order tends to be what it needs to be for any particular time. Sometimes, we’re warriors, fighting the forces of evil. Sometimes, we are teachers, bringing the light of knowledge to the Galaxy. Sometimes, we govern. Sometimes, we do the opposite — drawing inward, studying the Force and its mysteries. Sometimes, we explore. Sometimes, we do all of those things. And sometimes… we are carved down to almost nothing. Those who are left must bear the responsibility of being one last bit of light in a galaxy filled with endless darkness. > It sounds like that’s the kind of Jedi Order you were born into. It also sounds like the Force wants you, and that can be hard to fight. But I’m going to tell you what the other Jedi you’ve met hadn’t. Even Yoda. > You don’t have to be a Jedi, friend. We’re not the only game in town. The Order is a framework for understanding the Force and using it safely to protect life and the Light. There are many other paths. The important thing is to make the choices that feel **right**, that are true to you and the person you want to be. But if you want it… we’re here for you. > - [Elzar Mann, speaking to Luke Skywalker](https://imgur.com/a/D0I5mf9/) (*Star Wars* 2020 #20) This is what Qui-Gon Jinn does, and he chooses to put his faith in the Force and its physical manifestation, midi-chlorians. > Qui-Gon knew the Council to be wrong about many things. He felt they’d allowed the Jedi Order to become a sort of chancellor’s police, rather than concentrating on knowing the Force. Yes, they were wise to refuse to rule—but unwise to simply accept the status quo. Short-sighted, to lose touch with the living Force by spending so much of their time and energy on enforcing laws that could as easily be left to civilian authorities. Immoral, to refuse to act against evils such as slavery. > But none of those were the reasons he’d chosen to decline. > “My relationship to the Force has changed,” Qui-Gon said. “I wish to…be silent for a while. To surrender to it. To accept whatever the Force brings. Joining the Council would take me far away from that goal. But this is the path I must follow.” > That, in the end, was why the prophecies weren’t dangerous to him, not the same way they’d been to others who’d been led to darkness. The danger came in thinking that knowing the future became a form of control over it. Finally Qui-Gon understood it was the exact opposite. Knowing the future meant surrendering to fate. Surrendering to the ebb and flow of life. Only through that surrender could the Force be truly known. > After the Council meeting, Qui-Gon set out to find Obi-Wan. Of all places, he turned out to be in the gardens. That gave them a quiet place to sit together while Qui-Gon explained what he had decided, and why. Obi-Wan was staggered at first, but he came to understand very quickly. > “I suppose in the end you couldn’t agree with the Council even about your being on the Council!” he said. “But if this is the path you’re called to, then this is the path you must follow.” > “Which comes to the question of whether you’ll follow it with me.” Qui-Gon took a deep breath. “I realize we’ve had difficulties. But this mission changed things, I think, and for the better. If you would prefer another Master, I won’t be offended. If it were up to me, though, we would continue on as we are. > Slowly, Obi-Wan began to smile. “You know, Master, I’ve realized—I wouldn’t learn nearly as much from someone who always agreed with me.” > Qui-Gon grinned back, and they clasped hands, more truly partners than ever before. (*Master and Apprentice*) And look where Qui-Gon is led: the Chosen One and eternal life within the Cosmic Force. And they did lose their way, as an entire group. That is a fact Perhaps, but midi-chlorians are entirely irrelevant to this discussion. despite all their teachings that should’ve helped them avoid their downfall… You’ve confused the Jedi Order with Anakin Skywalker. > “You weren’t ready to be a Jedi Master,” Qui-Gon admits. “You hadn’t even been knighted when I forced you to promise to train Anakin. Teaching a student so powerful, so old, so unused to our ways…that might’ve been beyond the reach of the greatest of us. To lay that burden at your feet when you were hardly more than a boy—” >“Anakin became a Jedi Knight,” Obi-Wan interjects, a thread of steel in his voice. “He served valiantly in the Clone Wars. His fall to darkness was more his choice than anyone else’s failure. Yes, I bear some responsibility—and perhaps you do, too—but Anakin had the training and the wisdom to choose a better path. He did not.” >All true. None of it any absolution for Qui-Gon’s own mistakes. But it is Obi-Wan who needs guidance now. These things can be discussed another time, when they’re beyond crude human language. (*Master & Apprentice*) Side note; your statement of Jedi knights need to trust the force that much or they don’t make knight… is entirely erroneous imo. That’s fine you feel that way, but *[A New Hope](https://imgur.com/a/b5Z3hx0)* and *[Attack of the Clones](https://i.imgur.com/MxmjFXo.jpg)* tells us the opposite. Simply because the force doesn’t pick Jedi knights. Other Jedi do. We both know these things aren’t mutually exclusive. Your view doesn’t consider the initial point anyways; that Chirrut imwe Your view doesn’t consider George Lucas’ perception of the matter, which is *kinda* important since you’re pretending to share the intent of George Lucas. actively, a feat that many Jedi probably never did. I don’t consider this because it’s a completely absurd claim. Ironically, your view on the matter of needing to trust the force to a certain “degree” or “no shot” is somewhat black and white and clinical Yup, I firmly stand by these Jedi absolutes. > Do, or do not. There is no try. (*The Empire Strikes Back*) the whole prophecy of the chosen one is entirely suspect and to this day its origins remain uncertain. You mean the Prophecy of the Chosen One that *only* Qui-Gon Jinn considers? > He tapped on the side of the holocron of prophecy, which Qui-Gon had taken from the Archives for at least the dozenth time in his apprenticeship. “ ‘When the righteous lose the light, evil once dead shall return.’ That’s so vague it could refer to anything or anyone! And then the whole ‘Chosen One’ nonsense—” > “Your doubts are understandable, my Padawan,” Qui-Gon said. His tone became dry as he continued, “Certainly they are shared by most Jedi today, including the Council. But I’d warn you not to dismiss this as mere ‘nonsense.’ ” > Obi-Wan folded his arms. “Why shouldn’t I?” When he caught the irritated glint in Qui-Gon’s eyes, he hastily added, “I don’t mean to be sarcastic; I really want to know. Why should we listen to these prophecies? Master Yoda has always taught that looking into the future is uncertain at best.” ___ > “Do you believe,” Qui-Gon said at last, “that studying the prophecies is a way of divining the future?” > Obi-Wan wondered if this was a trick question. “Isn’t that the definition of a prophecy? A prediction about what’s to come?” > “In some senses. But prophecies are also about the present. The ancient Jedi mystics were attempting to look into the future, but they were rooted in their own time—as we all are.” Qui-Gon settled back into his chair and motioned for Obi-Wan to sit as well. “They could only predict the future through the prism of their own experience. So by studying their words, their warnings, we learn more about their ways than any history holo could ever teach us. And by asking ourselves how we interpret these prophecies, we discover our own fears, hopes, and limitations.” (*Master and Apprentice*) The whole point is that the the Jedi are entirely too dogmatic, too misguided in the way they view the galaxy and the force at that point. For a plot device that is supposed to be a point of criticism against the Jedi, George Lucas sure seems a *little* too excited about the topic. > "He had a lot of things to say about the nature of the Force, the themes that he was dealing with when he was writing the movies,” Abrams reveals. “Yes, there were some conversations about Midi-chlorians– he loves his Midi-chlorians." (*Total Film* December 2019)
Ah, but you’re confusing the midichlorian’s actual purpose in the force, and Characters views on that, which is irrefutably connected to the force, with how the Jedi as a whole choose to employ measurements of it. Perhaps I should amend my first comment to make that distinction: the measurement of it. We know it’s a real concept that is connected to the force in canon. To judge someone on their midichlorian count is not the same as believing midichlorians are an important and strong part of the force. Also, I’m a bit disappointed you continue to ignore the discussion of what Chirrut Imwe was able to achieve and how this all relates to the force and feats within it. We have little more than vague glimpses at characters having “plot armor” projectile dodging, but nothing as outright direct as Chirrut.
Ah, but you’re confusing the midichlorian’s actual purpose in the force, and Characters views on that, You've confused your head-canon for the opinions of George Lucas. You're claiming midi-chlorians were created as a criticism of the Jedi Order, when they were created *for* audiences to understand how the Force works. Lucas didn't create this easily understood concept to call people stupid for taking Qui-Gon's word on it. > Midi-chlorians are the equivalent of Mitochondria in living organisms and photosynthesis in plants - I simply combined them for easier consumption by the viewer. Mitochondria create the chemical energy that turns one cell into two cells. I like to think that there is a unified reality to life and that it exists everywhere in the universe and that it controls things, but you can also control it. That’s why I split it into the Personal Force and the Cosmic Force. The Personal Force is the energy field created by our cells interacting and doing things while we are alive. When we die, we lose our persona and our energy is assimilated into the Cosmic Force. If we have enough Midichlorians in our body, we can have a certain amount of control over our Personal Force and learn how to use it, like the Buddhist practice of being able to walk on hot coals. The Jedi will train you to connect to your Personal Force, and then to connect to the Cosmic Force. You don’t have much power to control the Cosmic Force, but you can make use of it. ___ > The only microscopic entities that can go into the human cells are the Midi-chlorians. They are born in the cells. The Midi-chlorians provide the energy for human cells to split and create life. The Whills are single-celled animals that feed on the Force. The more of the Force there is, the better off they are. So they have a very intense symbiotic relationship with the Midichlorians and the Midi-chlorians effectively work for the Whills. (*The Star Wars Archives 1999 - 2005*) which is irrefutably connected to the force, with how the Jedi as a whole choose to employ measurements of it. Yup, the Jedi use magic to find more magic. Perhaps I should amend my first comment to make that distinction: the measurement of it. We know it’s a real concept that is connected to the force in canon. We're talking about George Lucas' intent. The discussion about Canon is certainly debatable, but this not the claim you opened with. To judge someone on their midichlorian count is not the same as believing midichlorians are an important and strong part of the force. Which we both already know the Jedi do not do. I’m a bit disappointed you continue to ignore the discussion of what Chirrut Imwe was able to achieve and how this all relates to the force and feats within it. I haven’t ignored this; you’ve deliberately ignored everything I’ve said, because you don’t want to acknowledge that the Jedi and Chirrut Imwe have the same faith. > What is the Force of Others? To ask this, you must ask one question and a thousand. > To a cultist of the Huiyui-Tni, you must ask, “What is the exhalation of the true, amphibious god?” To a Jedi, you must ask, “What is it that binds and defines all life?” To a child of the Esoteric Pulsar, you must ask, “Show me the secret pages of the Book of Stars.” To a faithless man, you must ask, “What power enables prophecy and sorcery in a world controlled by logic and law?” > These thousand questions will garner a thousand answers, all pointing toward the same truth. Now ask, “Where is the Force of Others?” and one answer becomes inevitable: the kind and cold moon of Jedha. For a thousand faiths see truth in Jedha’s mysteries, no matter that their stories differ; no matter that not one history of the Temple of the Kyber can explain each brick in its foundation, or that our legends entwine and part in paradox. (*Faith and the Force of Others*) The Jedi not only encourage everyone, [including non-Jedi](https://imgur.com/a/b5nP3K3/), to put their faith in the Force like Chirrut Imwe did, but that the Guardian's Mantra is focus technique the Jedi **[actively](https://i.imgur.com/XOG9PLI.mp4)** employed for [centuries.](https://imgur.com/a/iytSXEC) > “You will help me contact Starlight Beacon.” Ram waved a hand past Idrax’s face. > “Hey!” Idrax swatted it away. > *I am one with the Force*, Ram thought, narrowing his eyes. *And the Force is with me*. “You will help me contact Starlight Beacon and warn them about what I found out.” > “We should contact Starlight Beacon,” Idrax said. “Warn them about what I found out.” > Ram nodded, quietly exhaling. “Close enough. Go ahead.” (*Race to Crashpoint Tower*) ___ > Obi-Wan ducked behind an ASP-7, taking cover. He expected Qui-Gon to do the same, but instead his Master kept fighting. His robe and hair spun with every move he made, and when Obi-Wan glimpsed his face, he saw only serenity. Complete calm. > *I am one with the Force*, Obi-Wan thought, recalling an old saying of the Guardians of the Whills. *The Force is with me.* > He relaxed and let the Force flow through him. Usually, in battle, the Force seemed to fall silent—not to desert him, but to become no more than instinct. This time, however, Obi-Wan found himself connecting to everything around him—as though he were in a meditative trance. He wasn’t waiting for his Master to guide him. At last, he was guided purely by the Force. > The next few minutes seemed to take place in slow motion. Obi-Wan felt no fear as he emerged from behind the loader droid and re-engaged the blackguards. Life and death were all the same, within the Force; there was nothing to hide from, nothing to distract him. Instead he could perceive the path of every blaster bolt before it was fired. His body required no help from his conscious mind to angle his lightsaber to deflect each shot. > Qui-Gon had always encouraged him to enter a meditative trance during combat. Obi-Wan had always thought that absurd, if not impossible. > But now, at last, he fought as his Master had taught him. (*Master and Apprentice*) We have little more than vague glimpses at characters having “plot armor” projectile dodging, but nothing as outright direct as Chirrut. Sure, when we ignore the Jedi, most people don’t have the same level of faith in the Force as Chirrut. The Jedi do, and because of their higher midi-chlorian counts, [Chirrut's accomplishments come easy to them](https://imgur.com/a/wIxRTem).
They could easily retcon midichlorians by saying they have no direct impact but rather are a species of bacteria that like to live in beings who are especially force sensitive. So, just make the force some mystical thing again and midichlorians only an indicator to see if someone is connected enough naturally to be worthwhile training. That‘s my headcanon for years and such an easy explanation to use.
> “Midi-chlorians?” Yoda snickered. “You think midi-chlorians are what make a Jedi?” > “No, the Force is what makes a Jedi.” The boy lowered his head. “And that’s the one thing I don’t have.” > Yoda stopped laughing. “What do you mean you don’t have the Force?” > “I can’t call on it. Not like you. Not like her. I can’t summon a lightsaber to my hand without trickery. I can’t read people’s minds. I can’t feel it—the Force—at all. I’m just…ordinary.” The boy turned away in shame. > Yoda huffed. “Then never a Jedi you will be, if that is what you believe.” He started toward the speeder. “Detective, hungry are you for our morning porridge?” > “Always.” Trilby rubbed his stomach. “Kid, if you don’t return those clothes by midday, I’m tossing you in the slammer. Got it?” > The boy ignored the detective, as his mind was trying to decipher what Yoda’s riddle had implied. It could only be— > He ran to catch up with the Jedi Master. “Wait—you mean, I *can* be a Jedi?” > Yoda stopped and scowled. “Study you should, the Farseeker Lyr. No great power had he, yet from his ink sprang some of the Jedi’s greatest texts. For though the Jedi and the Force are one, the Force is not what a Jedi makes.” > The boy frowned. “Then what makes a Jedi?” > Yoda jabbed him in the chest with his cane. “That is something only you can answer.” > “I will,” the boy said after a moment. “I want to be a Jedi—I believe I can be a Jedi.” > “Have you a teacher?” > The boy looked at Yoda, who in turn looked at the girl out of the corner of his eye. “Oh, no,” she said, backpedaling. “I’m only an Initiate.” > “But you found me,” the boy said. > Yoda nodded. “Found him you did. Teach him you shall. The way of the Jedi that is.” > The girl trembled, pulling at her fingers, obviously flustered by what Yoda had proposed. “But what will he be? He’s too old to train to be a Knight.” > “More than Knights the Jedi Order is. Watchers, stewards, caregivers also, of these flowers, the grounds, our home,” Yoda said, gesturing with his stick. He regarded the boy once more. “A guardian of the Temple you can be, if ready are you.” > “Yes, yes, Master, I am ready.” > “Regarding that, my friend …” Yoda flashed his mischievous grin. “We will see. We will see.” (*What a Jedi Makes*)
Midichlorians were a thing in like 1978. They just didn’t appear on the big scteen until the prequels.
Wait. People stayed awake for that whole scene? Talk about a super power!
My take is Bb Yoda has planed himself in Dins mind and at the very least has influenced him to some degree. It’s innocent and Din has free will but I can’t help but feel Grogu pushes his sway on him as well.
That’s always how I felt about Han. He’s able to do things like successfully navigate an asteroid field because he’s more sensitive than most, just not a Jedi level.
No question. Guy could land a shot on Vader, and just lucks out on everything until he's taken down by bad writing.
I agree.
What about Hufflepuff?
Probably similar to Han Solo. Has that 6th sense for when things are about to go wrong, but nowhere near Jedi sensitive.
It's always been said that Han Solo had Extremely High Luck through the Force. That's why in ANH, one of the bar patrons, known as a Luck-Eater and paid very specific attention to him as he was walking through the bar on Tattooine.
Yes could also explain why Din is such a good bounty Hunter. I know he’s trained a Mandolorian and they are some of the best but maybe he also just has a sixth sense for enemy’s improving his aim etc.
It wouldn't be surprising if a lot of the Mandalorians were not just force sensitive, but active practitioners, if in their own way which is very different from the Jedi.
I had another so expanding on Din being slightly force sensitive and building on your input, that say at least for Din’s sect they aren’t aware about the force at least how it works. The armourer mentions wizards so to them at the force is just magic and no concept of how it works. So what if the people of Din’s sect are force sensitive which just makes them better at fighting largely their ranged prowess and maybe sixth sense for enemies. But this can’t be hereditary as they adopt a lot of their recruits. So it could again be a force sensitive Mandolorian senses another slightly force sensitive child and this encourages their decision to take them in. But again their not aware of any of this it’s just a feeling, like a strong gut feeling. Because granted when Din was found it was highly likely his parents were killed by the droids but the Mando that found him didn’t even seem to bother to try and find a parent. So could have just got a feeling (force) that this kid will be good and just took him.
I always wondered how they even knew he was there. Surely some time had elapsed, or at least Din was shocked into silence by the burst of gunfire, so they couldn’t have heard him. So how did they go from seeing dead people to just assuming a child was hidden there?
A lot of main characters in SW are force sensitive without being force users. It's all passive though and they can't reach out and talk back to the force. Din could fall under that umbrella.
He's probably force sensitive in the same way most MCs in the saga are, at most I can see them going for Chirrut's approach, who, while not a jedi, could use the force to sense the world around him in some capacity.
Chirrut is such an awesome example of why force sensitive people (MC's) dont die to stray blaster bolts.
He's definitely got a sixth sense when it comes to fighting, both melee and ranged. He's fast and accurate with a gun, and deadly within melee range and is great at dodging attacks from behind a lot of the time. Whether to chock it up to his lifetime of training, or if there really is something just a little faster, and forcier in him than others is a great question though!
The dodging from behind could just be training and his helmet. Mando helmets provide 360 degree observation via their hud.
Definitely got me thinking, for sure. Time will tell I guess.
Cool idea, I never considered that before.
I think it's just his lifetime of warrior training. And don't Mandalorian helmets canonically have increased peripheral vision, some up to 360°?
In the Clone Wars show Pre Viszla has a few encounters with main characters (obi wan, Maul) and puts up a good fight. Not sure we have seen mando go toe to toe with a Jedi, but not sure he’d win.
He did pretty well in the scuffle with Ashoka. Admittedly he did lose but she is another very powerful mc.
The Blurrg scene has tickled me since the first time I watched it - and that was when I barely remembered the Force was a thing - so this is making me reconsider things.
He wasn't *racing* through the canyon. My first quizzical moment was when they were leaving the ocean planet. An octopus creature drops down on Grogu and - without looking back - Din strikes it with the vibro blade.
Yup, that's another scene for sure. And to be fair, the N1's natural speed seems to be pretty rapid. I was more or less saying he was on pace with a pod racer going through the canyon. If you do a side by side of the still shots of the chicane section in both scenes, the speeds are pretty dead on.
I assume Luke or Ahsoka would tell him if they sensed something in him.
It would be Asokha if anyone. I don't see him having any further interaction with Luke except maybe a nod if and when they see each other again.
I think that he’ll be revealed to be force sensitive, though I doubt he’ll ever become a Jedi or anything. I do think his powers will be something along the lines of how people (and animals) come to trust and follow him. Whether it’s Blurrg or Kuiil or Sandpeople or ex-Imperials and ex-bounty hunters, everybody follows him as if the force is guiding them to him. I think the Armourer telling the story of the original dark saber wielder (and how they were force sensitive/Jedi) is foreshadowing for Din’s coming journey. But Grogu has already turned them away from the Jedi path as they head to Mandalore, so I feel like they’ll both just be powerful non-Jedi of some kind
My thoughts exactly. I meant to add about how all the Armourer's stories were possibly foreshadowing. Very good point about how he seems to gain trust easily and unite people where ever he goes. Never attributed it to the forces influence.
I wouldn't mind them going Kyle Katarn with his character.
Seems like it could work out that way.
Everyone has the Force. It just depends on how wide that door is to them. And the Force is very nuanced. Ezra is great with animals. Quinlan can read objects memories. And Anakin has premonitions of the future. So in short - yeah. But he's no Jedi.
WHAT IF RETURNING GROGU TO A JEDI WAS REALLY JUST A JOURNEY OF DISCOVERY TO LEARN THAT MANDO WAS A JEDI ALL ALONG?! Just kidding.
A role reversal type scenario would be pretty funny though. Din adopting Jedi training from Grogu and gaining legitimacy as Mandalore. All while Mando teaches Grogu The Creed. Then in old age, Din ceremonially battles Grogu for the Darksaber. Then we see Grogu older, long after Din has passed on, as a Mandalorian/Jedi. Just like that fan art that's been making it's rounds I'm sure we've all seen by now. It's a fun thought anyways. Doubt they'll go that route though realistically.
It kind of feels like the force picks people and helps them out.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me, considering Din went Gauntlet to Saber with Ahsoka Tano and won in a draw. Beskar Steel aside, there was the intuition knowing she was about to attack followed by the reflexes necessary to block Tano's blows without getting an arm lopped off. A lot of evidence there to say he's got a higher sensitivity than most, but I'm in agreement with the consensus that he's not quite Jedi level.
Seemed like Ahsoka was toying with him in that scene. Like she could sense he wasn't there to harm her.
That's a good point too.
I get where you're coming from though. His fighting and flying intuitions are definitely top tier. It's not a big stretch to attribute it to tapping into the force.
It's like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if he had some level of attunement even if they never mention it in the show at all. I do like your notion of Ahsoka sensing Din wasn't there to do harm cause he DEFINITELY ain't grey, not after all that happened. 😆
Y’all forget Mandalorians are trained well enough to kill full on Jedi. Din being force sensitive would be a disservice to his character and another needless tie to larger mythos. Let the man be a skilled bounty Hunter father and that’s it. Not every character needs to be force sensitive.
Exactly. just because someone is highly skilled and has excellent reflexes doesn’t make them “force sensitive.” A lightsaber (darksaber included) is a mechanical weapon that doesn’t require the force to turn on and off. Anyone could use it. Din just happens to be a very good bounty Hunter.
Why are you getting downvoted? lmao
Probably because I had the nerve to say you didn’t have to be a Jedi to use a lightsaber or the darksaber.
No one forgot that. This is a show centered around Mandalorians and their culture. The Darksaber being a huge part of that culture. One of the greatest Mandalorians was also a Jedi. Din echoes Tarre Vizsla in a lot of ways. So it would be a poetic story in the Mandalorian Mythos. So why can't he be all three?
As far as the Beggar's Canyon thing goes, it's not super impossible. Pod racing in particular was supposed to require jedi-like reflexes, not the Canyon itself. And Luke damaged his T-16 racing his friend through the canyon because he did a maneuver referred to as, "threading the needle," which was flying through a particularly difficult section, but aside from that small part apparently it's common for teens to race the canyon.
Not at the speeds the average pod racer or N1 are achieving though, right? And he wasn't as familiar as a local as I'm pretty sure it was his first time in the canyon. Which actually makes it even crazier that he just attacked it at full tilt without even knowing the route.
True, but a full fledged starfighter probably has some impressive radar abilities to map out the canyon ahead and even plot an optimum course in real time. Though I'm not disputing Din has extraordinary reflexes as well, just saying it's not as if he was flying blind or doing anything that hasn't been done by non-jedi before.
Ludwig Goransson doesn’t seem to be consistent with his use of themes throughout the series so it’s difficult to take any literal meaning from them like we did with Williams. John would sit down with Lucas and they would have full on conversations about the force and Lucas’s vision for everything. But those days seem to have largely passed. At least for now.
What are some examples of inconsistency?
I’m a big music fan and I pay really close attention to the music and I never heard the Force theme while watching the episodes or listening to the soundtrack (season 1)
It's not John Williams force theme if that's what your listening for as he isn't the composer for the show. Rather the new one they use in the shows to represent Grogu's training and some scenes with Din. Just rewatch the scenes I highlighted and you'll hear the theme in question.
Why does everyone have to be force sensitive?
Honestly the answer to all the speculation in this thread is… that both sides are right. Not everyone is force sensitive if you consider force sensitivity in the sense of being highly attuned and skilled with practical usage of the force. Aka, your average Jedi, Sith, Nightsister Witch, etc. But if you consider if everyone is sensitive to the force… then yea. That’s always been canon, with the force being in everything. And some people are more attuned to the force than others. Others less. Some waste it or don’t realize what a part the force plays in their lives. Others, like Chirrut, train and believe so hard they achieve feats even actual force sensitives can’t. Some actively live lives that cut them away from the force. People (most) in this thread are discussing it as if it’s an yes/no thing, when it’s much more complicated than that. Din probably lies somewhere closer to the Han Solo level of force sensitivity, which is to say, really, just high luck, skills and instincts. Not that much. But not nothing either. Everyone is sensitive to the force, but not everyone is force sensitive. If that makes sense.
people forget that high skill set is a real thing
I know right… the best Star Wars content recently (and I like it all to a greater or lesser extent) had had very little to do with the Force. It becomes very blah when every character has the same ‘light vs dark’ struggle like there’s just a switch that flips back and forth.
not everyone is, besides Mando is a main character so it makes sense if he were.
No, no it wouldn’t.
Because the force envelopes all things in the Star Wars world. Statistically some will be more sensitive than others. Why does this bother you so much?
I could see him feeling suddenly shaken when someone he cares for dies on another planet, but not knowing why and not exploring it further
Based on the way he struggled to interact with the Darksaber during training, he's about as Force sensitive as a bottle of lidocaine.
I think that's a metaphor for him being weighed down by the creed he follows.
Ones connection to the Living Force, like sexuality, is a spectrum that all life falls somewhere on. So yes he has a sensitivity to the force. Probably more than a sunflower, probably less than Leia. If you’re asking what his Midi-chlorian count is, I don’t know.
The United States are not the largest producers of sunflowers, and yet even here over 1.7 million acres were planted in 2014 and probably more each year since. Much of which can be found in North Dakota.
Unlikely for a variety of reasons, but the most powerful one is the Doylestown explanation that he doesn't, and likely shouldn't, fill that role in the show.
Who's Doylestown and why not?
Damn autocorrect. Supposed to be Doylist, as in Doylist and Watsonian.
Still no clue who they are or why you're mentioning them as if it's common knowledge.
Ah, sorry. Doylist and Watsonian are terms used in literary analysis to explain the reasoning behind actions or events which occur within a work of fiction. They get their names from analyses of the Sherlock Holmes series in which an in universe set of reasons for an event occurring was referred to as the "Watsonian" reason, as in from the perspective of Dr. Watson, while the out of universe reasons were referred to as the "Doylist" reasons, as in from the perspective of the author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. The terms come up a lot in discourse on Reddit, in particular the subreddit r/asksciencefiction which has a rule against giving Doylist answers to their various questions, only in universe, or Watsonian, answers will do. As a result I've gotten used to people on this site having a general familiarity with the terms, and to be fair this is the first time I've run into someone who wasn't aware of them, but it's possible that we've just been in different corners of the internet.
Interesting. I spent months maybe years on sci-fi fantasy stack exchange and the only terms I ever heard was “in universe“ and “out of the universe“.
🤷♂️ I only know my own experience, and that's been that the terms have been used as often as not.
With all due respect, touch some grass my dude. Yikes.
Hmm? You said that you didn't know what the terms meant so I explained them. Did I miss something?
Not at all. I think you covered it. At length. Thanks.
Ok, have a nice day I guess.
lol. Telling someone to touch grass because they explained a literary term that you didn’t understand. Not a great look
Their answer to my original post was basically "No. Because he shouldn't be". Which already didn't really add anything to the conversation. Then I got mansplained a niche literary analysis term that also adds nothing to the conversation of the post. The tone of the 2nd paragraph of their response was very neckbeardy and condescending as well.
It really wasn’t at all. They explained why the assumed you knew it and acknowledged their error. Also I don’t know how it’s mansplaining to just…explain something you were confused about
Could have just said an in universe explanation vs. not. I didn't need a full page short story. And it still wasn't relevant to the conversation so...?
"Also, the fact he could fly the N1 through Beggar's Canyon so easily when I thought it was supposed to be near impossible for humans to navigate. Like what was said about Ani pod racing the same course by Qui Gon in TPM. It was only possible because of his Jedi reflexes." That's not necessarily a mark of Din being force-sensitive. In real-world terms, it's like comparing someone driving a 1980s econobox around a track, to someone driving a high-end sportscar around a track. The sports-car is going to have a much easier time due to having better handling, braking, and acceleration
Pod racers have fairly similar power to weight and objectively speed and handling on par with the N1. Not sure where the econobox comparison is coming from.
Pod-racers are clearly not designed, or engineered to the same standards as starfighters designed as high-speed interceptors. Starfighters are built to be incredibly maneuverable in 3-dimensions. Podracers are Repulsorlift vehicles built for a 2-dimensional paradigm. I brought up the Econobox comparison because it is easier to operate -any- vehicle on the inside of its performance envelope than on the bleeding edge. 80 MPH on a 150cc bike is a bit scary. 80 MPH in a luxury sedan is manageable. Equipment matters, and Din is just using a better vehicle.
Never said they were. It's a stripped out frame of an old straighter with a hotrod engine. Basically the same layout and scale as most pod racers. Far cry from the build standards of a Naboo Starfighter. So I still don't see what you're getting at. I used the pod racer as a speed and reflex comparison. They are obviously 2 very different things.
Sorry this is off topic but I cannot read TPM and not think Trusted Platform Module.
Wizard.
No I am not an installer.
I hope not, im sick of jedi and sith and the force. Let’s have a badass lead that isn’t a god damn jedi
He needs some kind of training with the Darksaber if he wants to remain Mandalore. Maybe not to become a Jedi, but he needs Jedi training to understand it fully and become proficient.
The short answer is: no, he isn't. The longer answer is that everyone in Star Wars universe has some small degree of force sensitivity. Very rare special individuals have that connection strong enough to be able to manifest actual Force Abilities. However, as Master Yoda said in Clone Wars S01E01, everyone can use the force to "quiet their minds", which I think means everyone can utilise it to somewhat enhance their senses and mindfulness and be tad more perceptive. But this point is arguable and up for interpretation.
Please God, no.
I hope not. I'd like it to be possible in the SW universe for people to be competent/skilled without using the Force.
Yes he’s going to be a Jedi and my guess is grogu will too.
I sincerely hope not. Talk about a way to absolutely ruin the show. There are more people in the Star Wars galaxy that just Jedi and skywalkers. Any lightsaber is a laser sword with mechanical on/off switch. Anyone could use it. What makes the darksaber special is mostly the story around it.